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Introduction Telecom PTP Profile WR @ Q13/15 meeting Conclusions White Rabbit @ ITU-T Report on Q13/15 meeting in Boulder Maciej Lipi´ nski Hardware and Timing Section CERN March 2012 Maciej Lipi ´ nski ITU-T Q13/15 meeting report 1/15

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Introduction Telecom PTP Profile WR @ Q13/15 meeting Conclusions

White Rabbit @ ITU-TReport on Q13/15 meeting in Boulder

Maciej Lipinski

Hardware and Timing SectionCERN

March 2012

Maciej Lipinski ITU-T Q13/15 meeting report 1/15

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Introduction Telecom PTP Profile WR @ Q13/15 meeting Conclusions

Outline

1 Introduction

2 Telecom PTP Profile

3 WR @ Q13/15 meeting

4 Conclusions

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The Goal

Standardization: ultimate destination for WR

ITU-T : Telecom PTP Profile

CERN : White Rabbit PTP Profile

WR-PTP ∩ T-PTP = ?

Maciej Lipinski ITU-T Q13/15 meeting report 3/15

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Q13/15

Question 13, Study Group 15

Network Synchronization and Time DistributionPerformanceTwo PTP telecom profiles:

frequency distribution (GSM/UTS)accurate phase/time distribution (TD-SCDMA/LTE-A)

Rules:key world players in the field(Ericsson, China Telecom, France Telecom, Cisco, ...)decisions by consensuspolitics/interests play in the gameheavy legacy (SDH, SyncE)the most stubborn winslong process

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Telecom PTP Profile for phase/time distribution (1)

Recommendations G.827x

Time and Phase Synchronization in packet networksApplications:

UTRA-TTD and LTE-TDD (small cell), accuracy 1µs - 1.5µsWimax-TDD (small cell), accuracy xns - 1µs

Targeted accuracy: sub-µs

Maciej Lipinski ITU-T Q13/15 meeting report 5/15

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Telecom PTP Profile for phase/time distribution (2)

SyncE legacy (SDH legacy)

Combination of SyncE and PTP

Time error budget definition and assignment

Hop-by-hop phase/time transfer: Telecom Boundry Clocks

Telecom Boundary Clocks characteristics (hold-over,oscillator type, filtering, ...)Definition of PTP parameters:

request-response mechanismPTP messagetime intervals

Modification of Best Master Clock Algorithm

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Telecom PTP Profile for phase/time distribution (3)

SyncE and PTP planes (to be decided)independent orgoverned by SyncE

Timing requirements foreseen for all-conditions

Application in well-controlled and hand-configurednetworks

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WR contribution

Informative contribution and presentation

Great interest (DDMTD, mBMC, single fiber,...)

Tons of questions and contact exchanged

Reference during discussions (e.g. precision or mBMC)

Considered valuable input

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Technical Feedback

Influence of temperature variation on fixed delays andasymmetryBest Master Clock Algorithm

Triggered much interestPossible bug in WR’s mBMC

Possible problems (jumps) during switch-over

Doubts as to whether sub-ns accuracy can be maintainedin harsh conditions

Possible reference/testing environment

Expected/hoped future cooperation

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WR standardization Feedback

Many different suggestions:Find common base between G.827x and WRPTP, tryaligningDo ITU-T WRPTP profile, very similar to telecom profileStandardize WRPTP profile directly within IEEEFind scientific equivalence of ITU-T/IEEE to standardize

CERN ITU-T member ?Good publicity for ITU and CERNProbably within some scientific cooperationBenefits for both sides (experience, PR)

Whatever standardization path - strong suggestion tocooperate with Q13/15

Next ISPCS meeting important - decision regarding PTPv3

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WR vs. telecom

Feature White Rabbit TelecomSyntonization SyncE

Synchronization PTPDelay Mechanism request-response

PTP BMC modified (redundancy support)PTP/SyncE planes aligned to PTP’s independent or

aligned to SyncESyncE used for stable frequency reference

timestampphase alignment

calibrationBoundary Clock syncE support

timestamp precision holdovercalibration support oscillator type

frequency loop-back

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WR @ ITU-T

Well-received

Triggered interest

Left mark in telecom world

Received valuable feedback

Left excitement in the community

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Standardization Paths

Profile at ITU-T: Within Telecom Profile (G.827x)long processvaluable feedbackcompromises required

Profile at ITU-T: Separate Profile (similar to Telecom)valuable feedback / useful for Telecom as referencenon-telecom solution in telecom worldstarting curve / easier compromises

Profile directly at IEEECERN – an ”other appropriate organization”?feedback from telecom world?no compromises required

Profile at other standardization body/consortiumwho/how much?feedback from telecom world?

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Conclusions

Separate Profile (similar to Telecom) at ITU-T seemsinterestingFor Further Studies

alignment with G.827xother PTP profiles (Power, LXI)

E-mail consultation with key PTP playersEvaluation of costs/efforts of standardization paths:

Profile at ITU-TProfile directly at IEEEProfile at other standardization body/consortium

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Thank you

Any questions ?

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