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DRT Frangible .223 Ammo vs. Charging Wild Boar by ADMINISTRATOR on JULY 24, 2012

DRT Ammo looks like regular ammo on the outside. These 79 grain bullets are indistinguishable from other hollow point .223. But inside the DRT bullet is compressed, lead-free, powder, wrapped in a standard copper jacket. Through hard surfaces, from bone to sheetrock to windshields, the DRT rounds apparently behave like any other .223 round. But 2″ into liquid or organic matter, they come apart and fill the wound channel with a small cyclone of spinning powder. This completely disables the target, causing an immediate loss of blood pressure and overwhelming trauma.

“Dead Right There” is the only way to describe our first trials with compressed powder DRT Ammo. This trophy hog ate dirt from a full charge with one shot from a Colt 6920 AR-15 at 179 yards to the thickest part of his skull in the brow. You have to read the great hunting story below about the morning and how it evolved.

Ernesto Barnabas, shown here with the hog, didn’t actually shoot him, but since it was his morning out with Dwayne atKissimmee River Hunt and Fish, he got to take the pictures and take the meat home. This monster went from a full charge with murderous

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of these DRT bullets are far reaching, changing the way we think about applicable

calibers for given tasks. So far we are looking at .223 and have only gotten a few boxes in

a couple bullets weights. The most important aspect of any ammo is how does it perform

in the field, so we elected to zero a Colt 6920 AR-15 with the 55 grain DRT .223 ammo

and send the gun out hunting with Dwayne Powell, our resident guide fromKissimmee

intentions to 85 pounds of useful pork in a few hours.

The pictures of his skull with the skin cut away are too gruesome for a family show like this, but we hope to let the buzzards pick the head clean and include some pictures of the actual hole in the skull on our next installment with DRT Ammo. The .223 in 55 grain clearly transforms the role of the AR-15 here, into a dangerous game rifle. If what we hear about the accuracy and barrier penetration are true, this should be an exciting ongoing learning adventure re-defining what we all “know” about hunting calibers.

River Hunt and Fish. He summarily dropped a charging 350 pound hog at 179 yards with

one shot, saving his and his clients respective behinds. Not bad for a first field test. The

story is below.

Frangible bullets aren’t a new concept and they pre-date DRT by more than two decades

in common use. All kinds of ideas have been tried, from epoxy and lead shot, to chunks of

lead and copper, to slicing up a regular bullet and superglueing it back together. Success

over the years with frangibles has been moderate and questionable at best. Some people

swear by certain designs and others consider them nothing more than a cheap gimmick.

DRT is unique as frangibles go because it stays together through anything a standard FMJ

or hollow point bullet would, then completely disintegrates back into powder two inches

into any organic or liquid. It may be hard to conceptualize, but DRT ammo behaves

exactly like a normal .223, .308, or whatever, until it is two inches into tissue. Then it

creates the most traumatic wound cavity known to man, completely disabling the living

being that it has hit. This behavior is repeatable in gelatin and real world tests in the

field. DRT has a ton of testing themselves, and their headquarters is on a game preserve,

so they can hunt year round.

On hard surfaces, where a regular round would ricochet, the DRT bullet disintegrates.

This has made it popular in the tactical and law enforcement market and DRT has been

popular for years. In the hunting world, DRT sounds too good to be true. Safari Club has

done TV work with them on Versus, and Youtube is loaded with DRT videos, but most of

the hunting world hasn’t heard of DRT, because like any other startup company they

don’t have the budget to plaster the online, print, and TV worlds with advertisements

like the mainstream ammo companies do. Regular bullets work great is the thing. You

really don’t need a groundbreaking new technology in terminal ballistics. But if you have

ever followed a blood trail for a half mile only to lose it to the dark or felt terrible pang

of guilt on an errant shot and a wounded animal that was never found, DRT removes that

variable from your hunting trip.

You have to read the story below. Dwayne Powell, our resident guide at Kissimmee River

Hunt and Fish, dropped a charging 350 lb. boar hog at over 100 yards, right through the

thickest part of the hog’s skull. The bullet worked as advertised. It punched through the

brow, then literally exploded, blowing the eyeball right out of the head. The charging hog

went straight down and tumbled over itself dead in the dirt. In a .223, you can only use

the DRT bullets in 1 in 7 to 1 in 9 twist guns, which is the standard range for the AR-15.

Many .223 bolt guns have a slower twist and the bullet doesn’t perform unless it is spun

properly. We hope to get more ammo from DRT in this and other calibers, and we’ll be

back for what we have heard to be great accuracy and incredible performance in ballistic

gelatin, as well as hopefully some videos in the field of this great technology. This great

hunting story is our first installment for DRT Ammo. We hope you enjoy it as much as we

did.

Dead Right There

by Ernesto Barnabas

I spent the day before my scheduled hunt at Kissimmee River Hunt & Fish with guide

Dwayne Powell fighting traffic, missing phone call messages, trying to fix broken fax

machines, sending emails, filing paperwork, and managing computer errors. Ugh!! I could

not wait to get away from the city and the technology and just get back to nature. Our

plan was to hunt on the ground, a “spot and stalk” hunt like I had been on with my late

grandfather as a kid. Finally my work Friday ended and made my way up to Okeechobee

with a head full of childhood memories and hopes for the hunt of a lifetime. It turned out

pretty good as you’ll see, but I found a lot more to appreciate in Okeechobee than just a

hunt. I’ll be back I’m sure for more good times, but this first time up I will always

remember.

Traffic between Miami and Okeechobee was a mess, finally arriving at River Bluff Resort

late in the evening . Karen, the owner, met me there with a kind smile and unbelievably

warm friendliness. She really treated me well and welcomed me with awesome

hospitality as a Kissimmee River Hunt and Fish client. I gave Dwayne a call after settling

in and he came right over. Since I first spoke with Dwayne on the phone to book the hunt

I knew he was a friendly person. When I saw his game pictures on the website, Facebook,

and the GunsAmerica blog, I figured that he must also be a good guide. But when I met

Dwayne face to face, I discovered that he was like no other guide I had ever met! Dwayne

treated me much more like a member of his family than just a client. Everyone wishes

they could do what they love for work, and Dwayne is clearly not in this for the money.

He was more excited than me.

First up was to make sure my rifle was zeroed at Dwayne’s private range at his home. He

also introduced me to the other cutting edge weapons and optics available on his hunts,

including the Colt 6920 that Dwayne would be carrying to back me up. He also explained

what I could expect in our spot and stalk hunt, as he had been out scouting the area that

morning. As we went over the equipment and the hunting plan for the next day, I realized

that Dwayne was both passionate and obsessed with his guided hunts. He was passionate

about providing the best hunting experience possible and knowing exactly what his clients

want from the experience. He was obsessed with using his cameras and feeders to know

the land we would be hunting, the animals we would expect to see in different places at

different times, and having an idea of everything that was going on with the game on the

ranchland around him. Never before did I meet a guide so planned and prepared! Other

Okeechobee guides I had worked with had turned down the spot & stalk because of the

time and patience involved & so they could get their next client in as quickly as possible.

Dwayne, on the other hand, seemed even more excited than I was for the spot & stalk

hunt!

After all that I could barely sleep. Different scenarios just kept going through my head as

I tried to get some rest. On almost no successful sleep, I set out for Dwayne’s at 4AM the

next morning. All my hunting dreams and memories began to come to life! Dwayne and

his family prepared a homemade, hearty breakfast that would keep us from getting

hungry during the hunt. We finished loading equipment and headed into the ranchland

just before 5AM. As we got deeper into the marshlands and hammocks of the ranchland,

Dwayne was able to navigate even in the pitch black darkness surrounding us. He

obviously knew the land like the back of his own hand and I was glad he was there as I

could not see all the wild plants and animals around us, but I could certainly smell and

hear them! Finally we got close to the first area we planned to hunt, got off the side-by-

side John Deere Gator, and moved slowly through the muck toward the hammocks near

the first stands and feeders.

As we hit the first hammock, Dwayne spotted fresh rooting sign of several hogs all over

the place. We headed in real slow when two loud grunts erupted from somewhere inside

the darkness of the palm leaves, warning us not to take another step. My hand went on

my 1911 sidearm instinctively, not knowing what to expect. Dwayne helped calm me

down and explained that we had 3 options; 1- Go in and risk spooking the hogs out of the

area until the evening, 2 – Go in and risk getting tusked by the hogs in their territory in

the dark, or 3- Backing off and waiting patiently for the hogs we heard to move out or for

other hogs to move in as they headed toward the feeder.

Dwayne chose to back off and wait patiently, so we could glass the area as darkness

faded and daylight broke around us. This was so close to the memories of spot & stalk elk

hunts with my late grandfather I could just feel that something special was going to

happen. As the sun rose the marshlands and hammocks came alive around us, and with

the rising sun we glassed whitetail bucks, whitetail does, ducks, geese, and other

waterfowl. I was so excited for the hunt that every time I got eyes on an animal I thought

it was a hog! With more daylight, we could see more clearly and greater distances. As I

was glassing the path to and from the feeder, I kept thinking every shadow, every stump,

and every buck or doe was a hog. Just as we were getting ready to head back in there

with more daylight, Dwayne grabbed me and pointed in the area behind us. About 600

yards back, across two fence lines, there were two trophy-size hogs rooting out in the

open!

When Dwayne saw those hogs you could see the wheels begin to turn. It was on, and so

was Dwayne. Never have I seen a man move so quickly while remaining dead silent! That

man can MOVE, even through wet and muddy marshland. We crossed the barbed wire

fence lines toward the hogs, with Dwayne working our way between different hammocks

to hide our approach. Before I knew it, we were working our way up the last hammock

between us and them. Dwayne snuck over the edge and we put eyes on them; both hogs

were so busy rooting that dirt was flying up in the air all around them and they had no

idea we were there. I was ready to go prone, call a hog, put a scope on him, and take

him. That’s when Dwayne said “Now we’re gonna get closer.” Well, I did not say anything

because I could not believe it. Just how did he plan to pull this one off? Between the two

hogs, they had 4 eyes and 4 ears to spot us. Not to mention 8 tusks if they saw s and

didn’t like us. We still had what I later found out was about 250 yards of open grass and

marshland between us and them. All of these distances had to be measured later because

I got complete tunnel vision and it all seemed a lot closer. This alone was an incredible

experience. One mistake and the hogs could have spooked and run away or decided to

charge.

While I was wondering if this was even going to be possible, Dwayne did not hesitate. He

crouched low in the grass and headed toward the hogs, as I just followed as quickly and

quietly as I could. As we closed the distance my heart started beating so hard I thought

those trophy-size hogs might hear it! We stopped just under 200 yards away. We had not

spooked them, they had not run away and they had not charged us, so we were good so

far. CLICK! I turned off the safety and froze as one of the hogs stopped rooting and looked

up for a few long seconds. I called one of the hogs standing broad-side and scoped him,

but the lens had fogged up from the morning dew and intense humidity! As the fog faded,

the hog I had scoped was still broadside.

Shooting a WWII vintage Mosin-Nagant, I tried to fight the buck fever, calm my breathing,

center the crosshairs on my scout scope, and pull the trigger. BOOM! Nothing. I missed,

but the hogs didn’t move. Slow down, breathe, don’t rush, cycle the bolt. BOOM! Another

miss. I was rushing. I needed to slow down. Now the hogs moved. The one I shot at

started running away from us to the left. The heck with slowing down! I cycled the bolt,

scoped the hog kicking up dust, and BOOM! a third shot looked like it clipped the hog’s

back but did not slow it down. I cycled the bolt one more time, but that big animal was

moving so fast I did not have time to scope him and take another shot without taking a

safety risk and sweeping the muzzle past Dwayne.

That’s when I realized I had been hearing Dwayne’s voice faintly calling my name “Ernest!

Ernest! Ernest!!!” The other hog, easily a 350 pound boar, had just broken into a full

speed charge, directly at us. I froze. Even though he was barreling down on us, in my

mind everything seemed to happen in slow motion. I don’t know how he remains so calm

in a situation like this, but as soon as Dwayne realized I was done, he stepped in and

saved my butt. At what we later measured at 179 yards, he smoked that monster with

that Colt with one shot. The hog tumbled, face in the dirt. Dwayne’s rifle had been

loaded with a new ammo he was testing called Dynamic Research Technology. The bullet

entered above the eye on the side of the hog’s head and dropped it right on the spot in

less than yards at full breakneck charging speed. When we harvested it, we saw the round

had entered the hog’s skull and fragmented completely with a lot of pressure inside brain

cavity which blew out one of the eyeballs. After it was all said and done, I think it took

about an hour for my heart to finally slow down!

While I was disappointed in getting so excited that I missed that first hog, I could not

have asked for a better hunt! In a matter of hours, I had relived the past times of spot &

stalk hunting with my grandfather, had a hearty home-cooked breakfast with a family full

of Southern Hospitality, spent a morning watching the plants and animals of the

Kissimmee River wild wake-up and come alive for the day, had the most exciting stalk of

my life, and made a life-long friend who was also the best guide I have ever worked with!

On top of that I also got about 85 lbs of meat from that hog who charged us! There is just

something satisfying about eating a mean animal that spent its last moments on earth

fully intent on killing or injuring you! Dwayne dressed it up quickly, provided plenty of

refreshments, and even made special arrangements for processing the meat with a local

butcher since I was a client of Kissimmee River Hunt and Fish.

This was not your “sleeping in a treestand” or “swamp-buggy drive-by” guided hunt. This

was the genuine spot and stalk experience for those who want to get down, dirty, hot,

and humid in the hammocks of the Central Florida marshlands! With Dwayne as your guide

you can be sure the hunt will be worth your time and money. You will be treated like a

family member instead of a being treated like a number or a dollar-sign. Most of all, you

will have a guide passionate and obsessed with providing you with an awesome and

amazing hunting experience!”

{ 43 comments… read them below or add one }

Tammie L. Little July 26, 2012 at 10:00 pm

WOW! This was an awesome story! While reading, it was like i was there doing the

hunt along with Mr. Ernesto! I was moving and even crawling with Dwayne in the

grass. Dwayne, this is lil sis, as I have said before….SO PROUD OF YOU!! You are

leaving an impression on people they will remember for life. You should be so

proud cause I know I am. Love, lil sis Tammie THANK YOU. MR. ERNESTO FOR A

WONDERFUL STORY! GOD BLESS:)

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robin cox July 27, 2012 at 8:11 pm

who was it charging at 179 yards not him not him was it

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M Scott August 6, 2012 at 3:25 am

Charging at 179 yards? How about dropped a grazing hog at 179 yards? Maybe there

is a print error because hogs don’t charge something 179 yards away–they mosey

on.

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story teller August 6, 2012 at 5:57 am

thats not unheard of. i had a rabid raging 40lb piglet charging at me from 1,790

yards i dropped him dead with one shot from my yildiz .410 sxs

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Mac August 6, 2012 at 4:42 pm

C’mon – 1790 yards is just over a mile. Who can see a 40 lb anything at a mile? Oh,

I just noticed, you are “story teller.”

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Spoon August 6, 2012 at 7:06 am

Great story about your hunt, but the weight seems almost a fish tale. Where’s the

shot of the pig hanging from a scale with the reading? That’s a nice piece of wild

pork, but I doubt if he weighed more than 225#…250 tops. At a true 350#, you

probably should have had the skeleton rendered, because it was lead or maybe

even gold-boned instead of phosphorus, calcium, etc. That would make a lot of

sinkers or cast bullets if lead and really increase a man’s stead if it were the other

precious yellow metal.

Show me a shot of the scale with this hog dangling from it…and I’ll eat crow, but

we’ll have to wait until the fall when they’re in legal season.

I’m a realist, plain and simple. I used to scoff at the “great white hunters” that kill

(or believe they killed) a 200# or greater 8 or 10 point field dressed weight buck.

Scales tell of a much lower body weight (mid 120s into the 140s and they pout. I’ve

seen several Midwestern monsters that indeed weighed 200 to almost 250 after

field dressing. It’s a 2 or 3 man job to load one into the back of a pickup truck. It

is necessary sometimes to show hunters the scale with their deer’s carcass

suspended below it so that they’re not expecting more eats, when in reality, there

isn’t the yield they must be hoping for. Work a season or several at any deer

processor’s shop and you’ll fully comprehend what’s what.

I guess ole Roland Martin started a trend in that area of FLUSA with the

adrenaline-filled excitement he bore when bass fishing. “Oh son…that’s a nice 5#

bass”, when in reality on a tournament scale, maybe 3#s. I’m not challenging his

prowess, because he was known for some enormous tourney stringers, but on his

TV show…everyone knows he was prone to exaggerate. And finally, unless the two

of you were making one heck of a commotion and waving flags at the boar, I doubt

he could have seen much of anything with you down in the grass. Damn critters are

commonly very nearsighted. This fella was just getting “out of Dodge”…or so he

thought.

I hope the local meat cutter did a great job of properly caring for your animal and

that this “charging boar” made grand table fare. There’s just something about

harvesting one’s own food that makes it taste all that much better.

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mark caracci August 6, 2012 at 2:18 pm

The story is not about the boar, it’s about the ammo. Tungsten or other

compressed metal powder provides more effective exterior and terminal ballistics.

It doesn’t matter if the target is a T-Rex, if comparing apples to apples, powdered

metal will come out the winner.

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JL August 6, 2012 at 7:21 am

I only have one question for now; Is the material in this bullet edible?

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Jack August 6, 2012 at 9:17 am

That is exactly what I want to know too. How much meat gets sacrificed using this

type of bullet? If it is a shoulder shot, will I lose the entire front half of the animal

for eating? So much for bacon.

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Administrator August 6, 2012 at 9:19 am

That is one of the things need to test. They are sending us more ammo.

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Rob Hummer August 6, 2012 at 7:40 am

Wow, that was some shot, and story. A Hog tit in the head (by design I presume)

while running, or charging as the story describes, at 179 yards. That reminds me of

a shot I made years ago in a far away land. Also a head shot, but at 1,469 yards

with a 10 mile an hour cross wind with the target zig zagging. On a fine point, how

long would it take that hog to cover 179 yards of ground, charging or not, and with

its poor vision how would it be able to pinpoint the hunter ?

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ddhfl August 6, 2012 at 7:44 am

a “charging” hog at “179 yds” thats pretty funny, do you realize thats close to two

football fields in length. At 179yds how do you even know where he was going ?

Still at a 179 yds that is impressive, to penetrate the skull, with a .223 rnd.

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Jerry Patterson August 6, 2012 at 9:07 am

I was going to try these out till I checked several fo the large retailers comments

sections. Seems that they have consistent problems with failure to fire. About 50

precent of the people commenting state they had multible misfires due to bad

primers. This ammo is not inexpensive so I think I will pass.

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Administrator August 6, 2012 at 9:21 am

We have had no failures to fire at all over the three boxes we have shot. All

primers are made by one company now, whether military or civilian. They don’t

make primers.

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Hugo August 6, 2012 at 9:14 am

Give me a break, “charging boar at 179 yards”! Nothing charges at 179 yards. At

that distance it would be exhausted by the time it got to the shooter. Things

charge at 17 yards or 17 feet! That’s when seconds count. Read Capstick. At 179

yards it’s just a good long shot. Don’t call it a charge!

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Raleigh Parker August 6, 2012 at 9:31 am

Great Story!!!! Exagerrated or not. I too find the venerable .223 quite effective

when shots are placed well. FYI though, a headshot with any HP rifle and jacketed

bullets (hp, fmj, sp etc) will drop a hog due to brain trauma. What also sparks

curiosity is the instant energy concentration of the frangible 55gr. I still suspect

that to be a highly risky choice of ammo. Having come to the aid of the guide, I

want to suggest you consider this extremely dramatic rendition of your hunt,

sufficient to suggest you rack the 100 dollar moisan for something shorter, lighter,

faster loading, suitably accurate and higher capacity. Believe it!!!! AR15 platform

rifles are the cats meow, available in calibers all which pack as much if not more

whallup!! Than the moisan. Finally, practice chief!!! According to your story, you

missed multiple shots of lesser challenge than the guide ( our hero ).

Any doubts about a boars ability to sense threat and become aggressive need only

remember that their nose can smell a couple of sweaty men trampling thru swamp

at far greater than 200 yds. A boars aggressive nature needs no great

understanding. They are defensive in my experience over anything from food,

young in the herd, in-heat sows, even the frustration of being unsuccessful at

mounting an almost in season sow. They will stay with and claim anything they

WANT.

Great Story

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Michael Borske August 6, 2012 at 9:41 am

While this test makes for interesting reading I do have some doubts as to the

legitimacy of the story. Having had some experience with Russian Boar I suggest

anything other than the extremely lucky placement of the “Eye” shot would have

resulted in an extremely agitated hog and not the dead hog that you wrote of.

Having seen 30-06 rounds deflect of a Boars head at considerably closer distances I

suggest that a .223 head shot would not result in a clean kill. I also have my doubts

as to using a .223 in a Game Ranch setting as a stopper round. I also don’t see ANY

.223 used on anything other than THIN SKINNED Game a questionable practice. I’d

like to see the results of that round on a typical shoulder shot on same hog. It’s

extremely unlikely that it would penetrate the 2” of grissle plate under the

shoulder.

I think the article would have been much more believeable if the harvested animal

was a White Tail , Axis or Sika deer. I’m sorry if I don’t belive your demonstration.

The same would have happened if the Hog was shot in the “EYE” with a .22 WMR

although at considerably closer range. I certainly would never count on making

that “EYE SHOT” again.

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Administrator August 6, 2012 at 10:20 am

We will be showing the skull once the buzzards finish with it.

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wayne August 9, 2012 at 1:56 pm

It may have been his .308? What was described above was, I’m sure, as accurate as

it happened. I too have been hunting with Dwayne and he is over the top and I look

forward to going back out there with him as soon as I can.

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Paul L August 6, 2012 at 10:38 am

So much of the story appears exaggerated that it is hard to know what to believe.

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Administrator August 6, 2012 at 5:24 pm

It isn’t exaggerated at all. They are just a bunch of armchair fools and the

comments make them feel important. The story is 100% true and the range was

measured with a rangefinder. We do have pictures of the skull but they are really

gross.

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Steven B. Drew August 6, 2012 at 11:38 am

I wasn’t there so I don’t KNOW what happened- but, I, like several other posters

are having a hard time rectifying elements of the story. 350 lb Mid Florida boars

are scarce,and none of the hogs in the images depicted in this story appear to

make that weight based on my experience. First round brain shots on charging pigs

at nearly 200 yards? Possible.The notion that the hunters were in danger, not

possible. Given the conditions described in the article I would like to shake that

shooters hand. I fully believe that the DRT ammo can perform as described.

However, The entire story is highly suspect and therefore gives me pause as to the

credibility to the writer, the product featured and the editors of Guns America. If

all true,it is a great hunting story and I congratulate all involved.

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bear August 6, 2012 at 11:50 am

hmm

179

how bout feet?

that would be about 60 yards

at least more believable

but the guide and you not having top notch backup ammo.

scopoe fogged not sure If I’d want him to guide me, at least not wiuthout a nice

tall stand

Tell me, did you a/ succumb to one of your dreams after some good Jamaica rum?

b/ did yall find and sniff too hard some white powder that you found out in the

Glades?

c/ have some of Ed Zern’s DNA.

d/ all of the abovr?

I am so skeptical because there is a blank (no yardage figure) in front of “yards.”

Perchance did you use spell , correct /replace and were indecisive about the

yardage so there was no number to correct.

For those of you who dont know, Ed Zern was a master of tales, author of “”exit

laughing”, (I believe in field and stream magazine)and other really funny DE camp

and hunting stories.

If you are really above board, join one of those US sniper teams in the far east.

you could be a short range backup concentrating on moving targets under 300

yards. Just maybe with a .50 calibwr you could take out a terrorist bomber’s

vehicle coming straight toward you , at 3,000 yards. Good Luck!

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bear August 6, 2012 at 12:10 pm

so solly

mistook u for your guide

yes HE took the boar out at 200 yards.

But to classify this as a charge at 200 yards?

how fast can a pig run 200 yd? = 600 feet @ 15mph

about 22 seconds?

how far out was the boar when first spotted?

btw would like to try some of this one day when perfected

say, 125 grain 30/06 on wild pigs or coyotes.

plus

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Grady August 6, 2012 at 12:11 pm

Spoon, I agree with you that most hunters tend to exaggerate the distance of the

shot and the weight of the animals they kill. However whitetail deer do weight

over 200 pounds. I am 68 years old and have been hunting all my life and can

account for 37 bucks and 2 to 4 does for every buck I have killed. I have killed as

many as 10 deer in a season several times to supply food for my family and others

who needed it. I have one 6×7 whitetail that the carcass alone with no head, no

hide, no feet, and no intestines weighted 185 pounds on a scale. So I think he was

a little bit more than 200 when alive. I also have a 5×7 and several 5×5 and 4×4

skulls hanging in my living room that had body weights as large as he was. I have

hunted hogs in Florida when I lived there for 16 years and they tend to weigh more

than they look because of the body mass unlike deer and antelope.

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FloridaHillbilly August 6, 2012 at 12:24 pm

85 pounds of meat out of a 350 pounder? Seems like a LOT of waste….

And if the picture of the hunter and the guide with the hanging hog is the hog in

question, those hunters must be the size of Andre the Giant in order for that hog

to weigh in at 350.

Also a shame if you did clip the other hog across the back, no word of tracking the

wounded animal was mentioned.

Good story though. Takes a real man to admit he missed three times, two of them

on a stationary target.

Looking forward to seeing pics of the skull.

db

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bear August 6, 2012 at 1:04 pm

OK the boar started out at 250 yardsa

cape buffalo could have covered the 179 yards in under 7 seconds.

bottom line:

quite a shot on boar, but the boar had about 25 seconds to arrive

or change his mind

a vast difference

pls check my math

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Shawn Dodson August 6, 2012 at 1:18 pm

“But 2″ into liquid or organic matter, they come apart and fill the wound channel

with a small cyclone of spinning powder. This completely disables the target,

causing an immediate loss of blood pressure and overwhelming trauma.”

and…

“Then it creates the most traumatic wound cavity known to man, completely

disabling the living being that it has hit.”

Along with the statment about brining down a charging hog at 179 yards, the two

quoted statements above are pure exaggeration and hyperbole that brings the

writer’s credibility and qualifications into serious question.

I’m unaware of any .223/5.56 bullet that produces a temporary cavity any greater

than 4-inches in diameter (about the diameter of a slow pitch soft ball). When the

bullet fragments the fragments pepper surrounding tissues with small holes. The

holes are then stretched and torn open by the subsequent temporary cavity. The

resulting permanent disruption produced is about the same size as the temporary

cavity. The smaller the fragments, the less momentum they have to penetrate

surrounding tissues. The fragments are described in this article as “powder”,

which means they’re very tiny fragments that don’t have much penetration

potential.

I’m unaware of any LE angencies using frangible ammo for duty use.

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Paul August 6, 2012 at 2:35 pm

I have used the DRT ammo in 9mm, but was not impressed with the damage done

to one gallon jugs of water. I came across one round that the powder had fallen

out of. I alternated the DRT ammo with Hydra-shock hollow points. I shot an

armadillo ten feet away with the DRT round with no reaction. I shot it again with

the Hydra-shock and the exit wound was about the size of a half dollar with

entrails hanging out about two inches. I would not trust this ammo with my life.

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Nonny August 6, 2012 at 5:06 pm

If you want to clean the skull to show, skip the buzzards. Find a taxidermist who

has beetles. If that is too much trouble, just clean it up a little and soak it in a

container of water. The water will cause the flesh to slough off. When it looks

done add some bleach and peroxide to kill the smell and make the bone white.

Very little work will be require past that for a perfectly clean skull.

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Administrator August 6, 2012 at 5:22 pm

Ew. That’s ok thanks.

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Tommy August 7, 2012 at 12:58 pm

I’m not much of a hunter. But I know when I want to clean up a set of sharks jaws

for display, nothing beats a hill of fire ants. Those babies come out clean enough

for the museum when their done with it.

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Happy Hunter August 6, 2012 at 7:36 pm

There are not alot of people out yhere that would have done to make your hunting

as enjoyable as you were givin. You are right when a guide see you as a number or

dollar signs instead of the enjoyment and pleasure end of it. When you enjoy your

work and pass it along to someone who is very interested in a once in a lifetime

hunt for the first time makes it more enjoyable trip. He sounds like a very good

guide and a person who really cares about the enjoyment it bring to others rather

than dollar signs going threw his mind. I am glad to see you have enjoyed your

trip. I would also once beable to enjoy a hunt like you had. A little bit tight around

the belt right now to come up with the money to go. But oneday I hope to go. And

no matter what gun ammo you use or yalk about there is always someone that has

to complain about it to the point where others don’t know what to buy or give a

try. Sounds to me the ammo worked very well. Thank you for sharing you story

with us. Made me almost feel as if I was tagging along with you guys.

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Ben August 6, 2012 at 11:07 pm

Does anyone know if they make this in 30.06 and is it available in California?

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Administrator August 6, 2012 at 11:17 pm

Why don’t you check the website and see?

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hog slayer August 7, 2012 at 12:55 am

For those of you out there that are saying it is bs why dont you go buy you a box

and try it yourself. Thats what a smart person would do.

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JRLutz August 7, 2012 at 5:06 am

That was DRT Ammo, is it available in 7.62 x 39 ( AK round ), as I also have a .223,

all SS Ruger with 1.9 twists. Would like to know of Website to buy this Ammo. Nice

Story , but you did not give out the Guides website, and or telephone number. If

you have it please send me his info . Thank You for this good story.

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Ernesto August 8, 2012 at 11:18 pm

Ernesto here. I can see why people would not believe it but this story is for real! I

spent a lot of time writing it because it was the best hunt of my life and I could

barely believe it myself, especially when we saw the bullet had entered the hogs

skull and created enough pressure to blow his eye out the other side. I thought

frangible bullets were inadequate for hunting until seeing it for myself.

Also, I have hunted with other guides in the Okeechobee area and the experience

with them was nowhere near the level of quality and personal, family-like

hospitality experience I had with Kissimmee River Hunt & Fish ESPECIALLY

considering the price. I wish that everyone could have such a positive experience.

I’ve already started a plan to return with my friends in the Spring of 2013. If you

don’t believe me that’s your choice friends but you are the ones losing out. Book a

trip with Dwayne and you will see for yourself. The proof is in the pork chops! I

have been eating nothing but chorizo sausage, ham steaks, pork chops, ribs, and

back strap cuts from Dan’s Meat Market in Okeechobee for the past two weeks and

my freezer is still full! I am telling you just see for yourself. Some of you still

probably won’t believe me and but if there is some reasonable way to prove it to

you personally let me know and I will do my best. It’s the least I could do for

Dwayne given the awesome hunt and all the food I got out of the hunt with him.

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Ernesto August 8, 2012 at 11:28 pm

Wow and one of you guys even made fun of my clothes. I have a bald head so I

wear a bandana outdoors to protect my scalp from the sun. Since when did this

blog become a fashion critique? I wasn’t trying to look like Rambo but thanks for

the compliment I guess.

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JCitizen August 9, 2012 at 1:00 am

I’d lay bets this is the same non-lead content that comes in my Fabrique National

5.7x28mm rifle. It was a fantastic praire dog killer, and the highcap magazine

meant I had tremendous firepower. When you want one shot – one kill, and need

to save each shot because there are 1000s of targets out there, the no-lead ammo

was the BOMB! I can’t say enough good things about this new developement – they

RULE!!

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Ernesto August 9, 2012 at 6:59 am

@ JRLutz n anyone else interested getting the real experience for themselves:

don’t know if they’ll let me post it on here but here goes: the website

is http://www.kissimmeeriverhuntandfish.com/ all the phone and pictures and

other information is on the website

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Ernesto August 9, 2012 at 8:46 am

Plus, if I had made this story up I would NOT have admitted missing the first boar I

scoped 3 times. I would have said something like “I took the boar at 600 yards with

a single shot using iron sights on my 1943 Mosin 91/30 before Dwayne even saw it.”

You all know that a part of every hunter’s ego dies inside when he is seen missing

a crucial shot or has to admit to it! Especially a hunter like me who apparently

dresses like “Rambo” according to one of those comments. I’m still not sure

whether to take that as a compliment or not

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wayne August 10, 2012 at 12:19 pm

I have hunted with Dwayne and it was a great experience. There were 4 of us in

total, 20 large mouth bass, 2 coyotes and 2 hogs were the take from the 4 of us. I

would do it all over again too!!! and will soon. the value and family atmosphere is

wonderful, I plan on bringing my 7 year old next time.