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Creativeedu 19:57 what does glog mean? #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 19:57 how does the EBacc fit with the government's commitment to Voc

EDand so won't achieve the new 'gold standard' EBacc? #ukedchat

Reteach10 19:57 #reteacher #ukedchat #itjustmightwork #edreform what if teachersforced the gov policy changes to be pedagogical not ideological?

Nevagonnabslim 19:58 Will the Eng Bacc divide Academic + Vocational Learners or provide

personalised pathways? #ukedchat

Creativeedu 19:59RT @colport: It's 8pm. Please join @Nevagonnabslim for #ukedchat

"Will Eng Bacc divide Academic + Vocational Learners or provide

personalised pathways"

colport 19:59 It's 8pm. Please join @Nevagonnabslim for #ukedchat "Will EngBacc divide Academic + Vocational Learners or provide personalised

pathways"

ukedchat 19:59It's 8pm. Please join @Nevagonnabslim for #ukedchat "Will Eng

Bacc divide Academic + Vocational Learners or provide personalised

pathways"

colport 20:01 Can we start by explaining the Eng Bacc for non-2nd'ary colleagues

please? #ukedchat What does the change mean?

Hero_project 20:02

#ukedchat for me, my students & daughter EBacc is restrictive to

options not indicative of academic excellence and undermines voc

courses

dailydenouement 20:02

Govt have decided that certain subjects make up the EngBacc &

schools now being judged against that as well as GCSE results

#ukedchat

carolinebreyley 20:02@colport #ukedchat and explain for non England UK teachers too

please

sharland 20:02

#ukedchat it will not provide personalised learning pathways as

vocational courses will lose support as schools attempt to remain

relevant

Nevagonnabslim 20:02 Welcome the discussion is Will the EBacc divide learners or provide

personalised pathways #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:03

The English Baccalaureate will cover achievement in English,

mathematics, sciences, a language and a humanities subject.

#ukedchat

colport 20:03@dailydenouement So, are some subjects valued more than

others? #ukedchat

colport 20:03 @carolinebreyley Good point :-) #ukedchat

colport 20:04

#ukedchat "A big danger is that some disciplines will find

themselves relegated to the "extra" curriculum elemâ€¦ (cont)http://deck.ly/~khS23

Nevagonnabslim 20:04 Are these the right subjects? #ukedchat

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Creativeedu 20:04 A*-C qualifications in English, Maths, Science, a Language and either

History or Geography = EBacc #UKEdChat

MattSL 20:04 #ukedchat new school ranking on the proportion of their pupils

achieving A*-C passes in five subject areas specified by ministers

dailydenouement 20:04#ukedchat EngBacc = English,Maths,Science,1 Language & 1Humanity. Only History, Geography or Ancient History count as

Humanity

Creativeedu 20:05RT @ClaireJoanne35: where do music, RE & drama fit in? #ukedchat

<they don't!

jules_u 20:05 RT @alextronic: http://tinyurl.com/68qjd4c Scan a books barcode

and get a fully formatted reference? #UKedchat via @hopkinsdavid

Nevagonnabslim 20:05@ClaireJoanne35 they dont ! is that the right thing to do?

#ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:05 Exactly. Two tier subjects. RT @colport: @dailydenouement So, are

some subjects valued more than others? #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:05 Why these subjects and not others? #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:05 #ukedchat Other non-Bacc subjects will suffer as schools push

pupils into Bacc subjects for league table purposes.

ClaireJoanne35 20:05 where do music, RE & drama fit in? #ukedchat

colport 20:06 @MattSL @CreativeEdu @Nevagonnabslim What agenda are the

gvt pushing this through for? #ukedchat

ianpocock 20:06 @colport does this automatically mean a return to the two-tier

education system academic v vocational? #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:06ICT is not part of the EBacc. Can this be right in this day and age?

#ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:06Limiting for progression through to A Level very worrying #ukedchat

Hero_project 20:06#ukedchat &dailydenouement please don't forget the highly

relevant classical Hebrew , commonly opted for on the sunny

shores of Blackpool!

philallman1 20:06

Cn ustand why non Eng UK tchrs mt not know what ebacc is bt

concerned prim tchrs in Eng are oblivious 2 have 2 have it explained

#ukedchat

MattSL 20:06 #ukedchat EBacc creates a random subject hierarchy. No evidence

to show chosen subjects are more broadly beneficial than others

dailydenouement 20:07RT @MattSL: #ukedchat talking 2 worried yr 8 who wants to be

engineer but sch now has 7 mandatory GCSEs & he won't b able 2

select all the ones he needs

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MattSL 20:07

#ukedchat talking 2 worried yr 8 who wants to be engineer but sch

now has 7 mandatory GCSEs & he won't b able 2 select all the ones

he needs

BAFDiploma 20:07 #ukedchat How many option choice do students have in your

schools for GCSE. In mine it is 4 blocks.

Nevagonnabslim 20:07 Should primary school teachers not be more aware of the EBacc? Its

what they are sending kids to #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:07 It's awful. RT @Nevagonnabslim: ICT is not part of the EBacc. Can

this be right in this day and age? #ukedchat

colport 20:07@ianpocock I admit I am knew to this subject, but it does sound like

it! #ukedchat

mosquitomax 20:07 RT @Nevagonnabslim: ICT is not part of the EBacc. Can this be right

in this day and age? #ukedchat >> every job needs it!!!

Creativeedu 20:07 positive - extending the focus beyond english and maths. negative -

not extending it far enough? #UKEdChat

Dunfordjames 20:08 #ukedchat choice will be more guided for most, depending on

school attainment and targets. Forces Lang. And hums onto agenda

colport 20:08 @Nevagonnabslim I do wonder whether this is the start of a change

of primary curriculum. It sounds *VERY* narrow #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:08 with obsesity rising is it right that PE teachers are being fired in

favour of subjects that meet the EBacc? #ukedchat

ClaireJoanne35 20:08@Nevagonnabslim doesn't seem right. does it? #ukedchat

doc_gnome 20:09 @MattSL agree, this is the trouble with Eng Bacc - too restrictive.

Pushes pupils into subjects rather than need/desire. #ukedchat

GlogsterEDU 20:09

RT @CyberSafeFamily: and what is the answer? ;) RT @svenhall: To

Glog or to Blog that is the question???? #ukedchat #edchat

#edtech

Creativeedu 20:09presumably it will mean a rise in language learning? is that a good

thing? #UKEdChat

ianpocock 20:09

@colport @MattSL being iconoclastic about it - is it a bad thing?

Should everyone study same subjects or does that miss talent?

#ukedchat

colport 20:09Anyone within this #ukedchat forum support the plans? If so, why?

TeacherTalks 20:10Easy on the primary teachers - many secondary teachers are still

working this one out #UKEdChat

doc_gnome 20:10 @BAFDiploma once the Eng Bacc subjects are taken into accountours only really have one to choose from! #ukedchat

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Iris_Connect 20:10 RT @Nevagonnabslim: ICT is not part of the EBacc. Can this be right

in this day and age? #ukedchat <--- surely not, ridiculous really

colport 20:10 @ianpocock @MattSL We all have specialisms in different areas.

These plans sound like narrowing the curriculum #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:10 No! *Stamps Feet* And no again! RT @colport: Anyone within this

#ukedchat forum support the plans? If so, why?

Creativeedu 20:10 How similar is the EBacc to IB? I was at uni with a lot of IB grads

who were far more well rounded than me. #UKEdChat

Nevagonnabslim 20:10Is it right for goverment to decide what subjects a student must

take? #ukedchat

ianpocock 20:10

@CreativeEdu languages for as long as possible can never be a bad

thing. Rest of Europe seem to keep learning them all way through

#ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:10Correct me if I'm wrong, but but what is the purpose of the EBacc?

#ukedchat

DuncanTigerHero 20:10

I've just returned from Yr 9 Options eve - very few parents

mentioned EBacc. They still choose subjects on what interests

them. #ukedchat

Reteach10 20:10

RT @CreativeEdu RT @ClaireJoanne35: where do music, RE &

drama fit in? #ukedchat <they don't! <something fundamentally

wrong with that idea

Nevagonnabslim 20:10 RT @Creativeedu: presumably it will mean a rise in language

learning? is that a good thing? #UKEdChat #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:11 @ianpocock maybe but I wish I'd spent my time learning HTML or

.NET instead of French would have served me better...#UKEdChat

BAFDiploma 20:11

#ukedchat Assuming Maths, Eng + Sci and 4 other choices, if1 is

Geog/Hist and another MFL. Pupils still have 2 choices. Is this a

narrowing?

familysimpson 20:11 #ukedchat so is this >similar< to scottish ed. idea of 5 subjects

(depth) vs 8 (breadth) that is current hot debate?

GillDeCosemo 20:11@Nevagonnabslim No, my son has chosen PE as part of his EBacc

#ukedchat

Hero_project 20:11

#ukedchat @BAFDiploma 4 blocks at our sch only 2 measly choices

at my daughters needs creative curriculum many going for lazy

timetabling

ClaireJoanne35 20:11 my daughter was quite flexible & so happy to be chosen for eBacc

at her school but I agree it is restrictive #ukedchat

Smichael920 20:12#ukedchat are schools killing creativity? With EBacc they are!

@SirKenRobinson

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dailydenouement 20:12RT @Dunfordjames: #ukedchat it is mystifying, but look at it this

way... Gove is trying to recreate his education for all, regardless of

need or ambition

ClaireJoanne35 20:12@IRIS_Connect my daughter is doing eBacc but will still study ICT

#ukedchat

DuncanTigerHero 20:12 @Nevagonnabslim I think ICT should be integrated into all subjects -

in a perfect world. #ukedchat

Dunfordjames 20:12 #ukedchat it is mystifying, but look at it this way... Gove is trying to

recreate his education for all, regardless of need or ambition

Nevagonnabslim 20:12 Government believes schools should offer pupils broad range of

academic subjects & the EBacc promotes that #ukedchat

doc_gnome 20:12

@Creativeedu would argue it decreases breadth rather than

increasing it. Forces pupils into a narrow band of 'approved'subjects. #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:12 RT @TeacherTalks: Ironic that a Govt which supposedly believes in

freedom is so prescriptive about what children learn #UKEdChat

Grevster73 20:12 I think it will have a detrimental effect on science uptake -

restricting choice of triple & double awards #ukedchat

TeacherTalks 20:12 Ironic that a Govt which supposedly believes in freedom is so

prescriptive about what children learn #UKEdChat

colport 20:12@familysimpson Excellent, in that this discussion is also relevant for

Scottish colleague? #ukedchat

ianpocock 20:12How much choice do you get with the EBacc? #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:12 RT @tonycassidy: Speaking as a geographer, I don't want students

to be directed into my subject... #ukechat #ukedchat

ClaireJoanne35 20:13@philallman1 yes, eBacc is too restrictive #ukedchat

mosquitomax 20:13 At my school the perception was that the choices had become

limited due to the "constraint" of the EBacc #ukedchat

bucharesttutor 20:13 I have 16 IB students and 5 GCSE students, clearly I feel that the IB

S's have more options to choose #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:13 @colport well i'm not sure but it sounds similar! parents voting with

feet when it restricts their child's options after school. #ukedchat

philallman1 20:13 RT @TeacherTalks: Ironic that a Govt which supposedly believes in

freedom is so prescriptive about what children learn #UKEdChat

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dailydenouement 20:13 RT @Smichael920: #ukedchat are schools killing creativity? With

EBacc they are! @SirKenRobinson

tonycassidy 20:13 The bigger issue from my perspective is that we already have an

unfair curriculum hierarchy #ukedchat

theokk 20:13 @Nevagonnabslim No, and I would encourage parents, students toresist pressures #ukedchat

MattSL 20:13

RT @colport: @ianpocock @MattSL We all have specialisms in

different areas. These plans sound like narrowing the curriculum

#ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:13 so is that broad ? #ukedchat

bucharesttutor 20:14 What is Ebacc? #ukedchat

ClaireJoanne35 20:14@CreativeEdu will encourage more students to choose a language

to study? #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:14@theokk but theres been nothing much in the press why?

#ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:14 RT @bucharesttutor: I have 16 IB students and 5 GCSE students,

clearly I feel that the IB S's have more options to choose #ukedchat

Smichael920 20:14 @colport I think many primaries have moved too far & wouldn't

want to limit learning opportunities for pupils #ukedchat

mosquitomax 20:14pupils selecting a less desired subject to fit in with the eBacc

#ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:14@colport #ukedchat EBacc = end of personalisation (whatever that

was?). Strange though as history teach whos seen subject eroded

over years!

TParks 20:14@chickensaltash RT Reflections on the SSAT National Conference

#nc10 #ukedchat #edchat http://bit.ly/flnLBo //Your collation

makes me happy!

Creativeedu 20:14p.s. don't lynch me.... just playing devil's advocate ;-) #UKEdChat

Reteach10 20:14

RT @mosquitomax At my school the perception was that the

choices had become limited due to the "constraint" of the EBacc

#ukedchat same!

colport 20:14@familysimpson Ah, but is he hankering to the call from the middle

classes? #ukedchat

doc_gnome 20:14

@Nevagonnabslim @creativeedu but do we want to force pupils to

take a language when it might not be appropriate for them?

#ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:14CHALLENGE.... think of one positive point about the EBacc... I dare

you! #UKEdChat

BAFDiploma 20:14@doc_gnome that is a narrowing in my opinion #ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:14 Why take Geography (1 GCSE) when you can take another subject in

the same time for the equivalent of four #ukedchat

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Grevster73 20:14

RT @mosquitomax: At my school the perception was that the

choices had become limited due to the "constraint" of the EBacc

#ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:14 What about Voc Ed in this? Are we back to two tier schools and

segregation? Clever and stupid kids? #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:14 @TeacherTalks #ukedchat i don't think this government actuallybelieves in anything

colport 20:15 @mattbuxton10 So, is that a positive then? Would history be

resurrected to a higher status (rightly or wrongly)? #ukedchat

TeacherTalks 20:15

RT @familysimpson @TeacherTalks #ukedchat i don't think this

government actually believes in anything >>they do, but nothing

palatable!

Nevagonnabslim 20:15 @doc_gnome The goverment does even if it is latin which they see

more important than ICT? #ukedchat

itsmotherswork 20:16

RT @tonycassidy: Correct me if I'm wrong, but but what is the

purpose of the EBacc? #ukedchat <To make schools look bad

against new measure

tonycassidy 20:16 I'd welcome equivalent qualifications, each having equal worth,

with a free students choice #ukedchat

colport 20:16

@Smichael920 But if curriculum review comes out with a tighter

prescriptive curriculum, then primaries will have no option

#ukedchat

MattSL 20:16 @Creativeedu (challenge accepted) It's easier to compare schools if

they deliver broadly the same subjects #UKEdChat

Iris_Connect 20:16 RT @Creativeedu: CHALLENGE.... think of one positive point about

the EBacc... I dare you! #UKEdChat

ClaireJoanne35 20:16 @bucharesttutor English Baccalaureate - Eng, Maths, Science, a

language & Geog or History #ukedchat

doc_gnome 20:16

@theokk @nevagonnabslim I agree it isn't but schools will push

pupils where they want them to go subject wise. Hard to resist.

#ukedchat

GillDeCosemo 20:16

Son3 just chosen options for EBacc. I like fact that he has to do a

language. He's also chosen geog, hist, PE & DT. Good breadth?

#ukedchat

familysimpson 20:16 #ukedchat EBacc article "GOVERNMENT COMES UNDER FIRE FOR

EBACC SUBJECT CHOICE" http://is.gd/LWdNRX

BAFDiploma 20:17@GillDeCosemo Would he have made those choices without #Ebacc

?#ukedchat

Grevster73 20:17 RT @itsmotherswork: RT @tonycassidy: Correct me if I'm wrong,but but what is the purpose of the EBacc? #ukedchat <so that govt

can later claim improvement

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tonycassidy 20:17 Does anyone have an Ebacc? #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:17 @bucharesttutor Please remember #

Totallywired77 20:17 RT @tonycassidy: I'd welcome equivalent qualifications, each

having equal worth, with a free students choice #ukedchat


RT @tonycassidy: Correct me if I'm wrong, but but what is the

purpose of the EBacc? #ukedchat <so that govt can later claimimprovement

Nevagonnabslim 20:17@MattSL Private schools fall down the league tables with the EBacc

why? #ukedchat

ClaireJoanne35 20:17@IRIS_Connect peripheral at the moment but should be embedded

#ukedchat

familysimpson 20:17 @colport what call? i can't think of a parent who would want to

restrict what their child experiences at school! #ukedchat

bucharesttutor 20:17 Personally see that IB S's have subjects like art, PE, humanities toname a few new ones $ ukedchat

Grevster73 20:17Remember that the Coalition EdBill is based on ideology not

evidence #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:17 I finished school 10 yrs ago and even then HAD to do a lang, a

humanity, eng, maths and 3 sciences #UKEdChat

colport 20:18

@familysimpson I think of the middle classes who worry about their

child achieving in SATs, getting into grammar schools, etc.

#ukedchat

bucharesttutor 20:18 @ClaireJoanne35 thanks, surely EBacc is not covering all the main

subjects for the S's to Excel in life #ukedchat

TeacherTalks 20:18RT @itsmotherswork: RT @tonycassidy: Correct me if I'm wrong,

but but what is the purpose of the EBacc? #ukedchat <so that govt

can later claim improvement

familysimpson 20:18@GillDeCosemo out of interest which languages were offered?

#ukedchat

TeacherTalks 20:18 RT @tonycassidy: I'd welcome equivalent qualifications, each


Creativeedu 20:18 @MattSL is that a good thing? Depends on what you consider are

the important outcomes re last week's #UKEdChat

ianpocock 20:18

@Nevagonnabslim You could make an argument that says they

some will not have been so successful without the option?

#ukedchat

ianpocock 20:18

@Nevagonnabslim You could make an argument that says they

some will not have been so successful without the option?

#ukedchat

MattSL 20:18#ukedchat many orgs have worked to improve status of vocationalqualifications & jobs. EBacc will put academia firmly in higher status

again

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familysimpson 20:19RT @TeacherTalks @tonycassidy: I'd welcome equivalent

qualifications, each having equal worth, with a free students choice

#ukedchat <YES

Totallywired77 20:19

#Ukedchat interesting to see how many schools have adopted a

knee jerk reaction to EBac - have you seen the amount of MFL jobs

in the TES?

colport 20:19

@Smichael920 I totally agree, and see the evidence everyday!

#ukedchat Would academies be forced to follow new curriculum

though?

Creativeedu 20:19@tonycassidy I have the equivalent GCSEs yes. My school made me

take them! #UKEdChat

Nevagonnabslim 20:19 Headteachers say the EBacc will lead to more exclusions and bad

behaviour. Do you believe this? #ukedchat

Hero_project 20:19

#ukedchat EBacc is not rounded but trad perhaps this removes the

need for BSF we can all stick to 50s classrooms to match thecurriculum

ianpocock 20:19 RT @tonycassidy: I'd welcome equivalent qualifications, each


ukedchat 20:2020 minutes into the #ukedchat discussion on the EBACC & Scottish

equivalent proposals.

familysimpson 20:20@colport different world up here in northern britain. No SATs.

Perhaps this is a bad thing though - no motivator at end of primary

#ukedchat

mosquitomax 20:20@stigofthedump69 lol - using the laptop, only way to watch

#ukedchat on a thurs :-)

GillDeCosemo 20:20 @BAFDiploma He wouldn't have chosen French. I like that he has to

do a Lang. He'd have chosen the rest though. #ukedchat

davokim 20:20RT @briankotts: RT @timeshighered: What a mess. The catastrophe

that is UK higher education grows worse by the day.

http://bit.ly/h3jAcq #edchat #ukedchat

jackieschneider 20:20 #ukedchat schools should be brave & offer what they think is best.

Forget league tables - build relationships with parents

svenhall 20:20@CyberSafeFamily Glogs lend to creatively but fail to show a page

of inputs re: running commentary on learning #ukedchat #edchat

#edtech

Reteach10 20:20

RT @CreativeEdu I finished school 10 yrs ago and even then HAD to

do a lang, a humanity, eng, maths and 3 sciences #UKEdChat me

too!!

Shaf_Hansraj 20:20 #ukedchat to push any education message you need passion andenthusiasm. How is this possible if students forced into pathways

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ianpocock 20:20 @MattSL but perhaps the job of schools, teachers an policy makers

to make a better case for why it isn't better or worse? #ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:20@Nevagonnabslim yes, students being restricted in their choices

#ukedchat

ClaireJoanne35 20:20@bucharesttutor definitely seems to have some important

subjects missing! #ukedchat

CliveBuckley 20:20 The Best Web 2.0 Applications For Education â€” 2010 Interesting

list! http://bit.ly/cjuWbc @Larryferlazzo #elearning #ukedchat

ZentekICT 20:21RT @CliveBuckley: The Best Web 2.0 Applications For Education â€”

2010 Interesting list! http://bit.ly/cjuWbc @Larryferlazzo

#elearning #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:21#ukedchat Advantage of EBacc not including ICT: no need to buy

technology = big savings.

Grevster73 20:21another social experiment on our children... EBacc #ukedchat

colport 20:21@familysimpson Became too much of a political football south of

the border! #ukedchat

bucharesttutor 20:21 Personally even in Math, which I teach I see S's in IB are given 3

levels to choose while in GCSE, they are given 2 levels #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:21@Reteach10 I was also forbidden from doing art ;-( #UKEdChat

BAFDiploma 20:21 #ukedchat Cards on the table, I believe the #Ebacc to be ill-

conceived and an unnecessary measure.

Smichael920 20:21@colport @philallman1 interesting times ahead that's for sure!

#ukedchat

Grevster73 20:21 @Totallywired77 it's because the benchmark has changed and they

want to play the game - it's the gvnmt that pays the bills #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:21would you be happy for EBacc schools and VocEd schools?

#ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:22is it right for the goverment to choose subjects? #ukedchat


Why is RE not a Humanity for EBacc? #ukedchat We wrote to Gove:

unfairly favours faith schools. But EBacc unfairly favours other

subjects

colport 20:22 GGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, why can't politicians just leave

education alone, and trust the educators? #ukedchat

Grevster73 20:22RT @familysimpson: #ukedchat Advantage of EBacc not including

ICT: no need to buy technology = big savingsâ€¦ (cont)

http://deck.ly/~R0RDE

Shaf_Hansraj 20:22 #ukedchat a rounded education of all subjects at KS3 to enablechoice later on in KS4

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doc_gnome 20:22 @Nevagonnabslim @MattSL even independent schools feeling the

pressure of the Eng Bacc. Parents look at league tables. #ukedchat

BAFDiploma 20:22 #ukedchat Ultimate conclusion is schools jsut offer Ebacc subjects

and devote more curriculum time. It is just another system to play.

mosquitomax 20:22 @familysimpson those slide rules go for a lot on eBay these days!#ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:22 RT @familysimpson: #ukedchat Advantage of EBacc not including

ICT: no need to buy technology = big savings.

kiarakiara 20:23 RT @CreativeEdu: I finished school 10 yrs ago and even then HAD to

do a lang, a humanity, eng, maths and 3 sciences #UKEdChat"

mattbuxton10 20:23

@CreativeEdu #ukedchat History + 'Information Age' = kids who can

find information, sort it, analyse it, form opinions, create

arguments???

Totallywired77 20:23@Grevster73 true, but I know many schools/academies that are are

not going down EBac route as it's not in their students interest

#Ukedchat

ICTEvangelist 20:23 @Nevagonnabslim good question! #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:23 will primary schools change their curriculum timetable to ensure

students meet engbacc subjects #ukedchat

colport 20:23RT @schofielde: @colport #ukedchat means targets have now

changed and gov look at English,maths and sciencâ€¦ (cont)

http://deck.ly/~10Xbd

BAFDiploma 20:23 @Nevagonnabslim @familysimpson Yes but those chisels and stone

tablets are still expensive! #ukedchat #flippantcomment

Grevster73 20:23

RT @Shaf_Hansraj: #ukedchat a rounded education of all subjects at

KS3 to enable choice later on in KS4 < but KS3 has been eroded to 2

yrs!

ColinGoffin 20:23 Curriculum should be driven by what is appropriate for students and

nothing else. This cannot be decided centrally. #ukedchat

bucharesttutor 20:23

@ClaireJoanne35 yes personally speaking IB gives more flexibility to

students. After all, "all work n play makes Jack a dull boy"

#ukedchat

ICTEvangelist 20:23RT @Nevagonnabslim: would you be happy for EBacc schools and

VocEd schools? #ukedchat

ClaireJoanne35 20:23@familysimpson surely will disadvantage students when trying to

find work #ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:23@miconm I don't believe we do, new qualifications have been

devised to meet the criteria of the league tables, not students#ukedchat

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Reteach10 20:23 #UKEdChat ebacc concerns solved if not as prescriptive but instead

suggestive of an approach to structuring gcse choice?

Creativeedu 20:23 ICT not included in EBacc surely just because Gove went to school

before ICT as a subject existed??? #UKEdChat

ianpocock 20:23RT @Nevagonnabslim: would you be happy for EBacc schools and

VocEd schools? #ukedchat < would that just be neâ€¦ (cont)

http://deck.ly/~IYzE4

Shaf_Hansraj 20:23#ukedchat have multiple pathways tailored for the individual

student directed by their choice

Totallywired77 20:24RT @tonycassidy: @miconm I don't believe we do, new

qualifications have been devised to meet the criteria of the league

tables, not students #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:24@mosquitomax #ukedchat damn i recently sold off the 60smechanical calculators we found in a cupboard. would be worth

more now...

philallman1 20:24

@iamsallymoore sorry no excuse. How cn we criticise sec bods for

nt ustanding ks2 debate if we don't engage in end point too

#ukedchat


#ukedchat @Totallywired77 But they are going to be measured

against it - feel inevitable that most will starâ€¦ (cont)

http://deck.ly/~xFFP9

bucharesttutor 20:24 @CreativeEdu well this is indeed sad but at least in GCSE they have

ICT and ITGS in IB curriculum #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:24@Totallywired77 will that continue when they fall down in the

league tables #ukedchat

colport 20:24@Nevagonnabslim It depends on the outcome of the primary

review, i suppose #ukedchat

Smichael920 20:24@familysimpson knew there was an ulterior motive from Gov!

#ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:24What's the difference between EBacc and IB? #UKEdChat

GillDeCosemo 20:24 @familysimpson only French & German at his school. #ukedchat

ianpocock 20:24@ColinGoffin interesting - how do you best establish it? #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:24@colport i don't doubt it! EBacc = giant inflatable political beach

ball of 21C education? #ukedchat

miconm 20:24@tonycassidy hmm. Then it is unfair on students being entered for

them, isn't it? #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:25@GillDeCosemo for how long ? its only the first year #ukedchat

Hero_project 20:25

#ukedchat realisation of aspiration comes from knowing how to &

being able to make informed choices, through experience &inspiration

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BAFDiploma 20:25 @colport Because everyone is an expert on education as they went

to school once? #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:25 @mattbuxton10 I agree actually History GCSE was a very useful

subject. I used what I learnt more than English or Maths #UKEdChat

GillDeCosemo 20:25 Son's school do not make students do EBacc, it's a choice.#ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:25@familysimpson @colport can I have that globe for geography?

#ukedchat

Smichael920 20:25Dead right! RT @colport: GGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, why

can't politicians just leave education alone, and trust the educators?

#ukedchat

Shaf_Hansraj 20:25 #ukedchat to quote a colleague "schools need to stop being results

whores" not about league tables but about learning and aspiration

AdiNotNow 20:25 @colport because its a dark art to most of the general public and

politicians need to be seen to be in control #ukedchat

colport 20:26 @BAFDiploma @AdiNotNow Very frustrating. Even though most

politicians had a privileged private education!!! #ukedchat

Smichael920 20:26@Nevagonnabslim a bit like grammar schools & comprehensives!!

#ukedchat


RT@ColinGoffin have wondered about whether a policy for say 5

core subjects supplemented by locally relevant subjects would work

#ukedchat

Grevster73 20:26 @Totallywired77 will they change their position when this is the

main measure? I'd like to think schools will resist. #ukedchat


RT @ColinGoffin: Curriculum should be driven by what is

appropriate for students and nothing else. This cannot be decided

centrally. #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:26So Latin more important than Business or ICT or PE ? #ukedchat

ColinGoffin 20:26

@ianpocock By knowing your children, their needs and aspirations.

Will mean variation within and between schools but is essential

#ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:26RT @Shaf_Hansraj: #ukedchat to quote a colleague "schools need

to stop being results whores" not about league tables but about

learning and aspiration

AdiNotNow 20:26@colport That and the fact we are seen as being in a cushy job on

high pay. #ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:26

@colport #ukedchat Not really (although as a History NQT I'd have

said different!). No subject is for everyone, not even Maths or

English!!

dailydenouement 20:26My laptop being v slow tonight so might have to duck out & catch

up with archive later. #ukedchat

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ianpocock 20:26

@ColinGoffin have wondered about whether a policy for say 5 core

subjects supplemented by locally relevant subjects would work

#ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:27are schools dropping lots of voc subjects to make room in the

timetable for EBacc? #UKEdChat

BAFDiploma 20:27 @Grevster73 @Totallywired77 #ukedchat Relieved that my schoolis. They recognise that breadth and choices is very important.

Nevagonnabslim 20:27 @bucharesttutor you will add them? #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:27@ClaireJoanne35 #ukedchat undoubtedly (sorry, cynical hat on - i'm

a computing teacher!)

MattSL 20:27 @doc_gnome @nevagonnabslim Ind schs issue is just technical I

think. Govt left out Edexcel as not accredited by Ofqual #ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:27 I think it's more important at 14 that students have a passion for

learning in subjects they have interest in #ukedchat

mosquitomax 20:27 All subjects are important. Blooms Tax shows the order of thinking,

which can be applied to all subjects #ukedchat do what u love

Nevagonnabslim 20:27RT @Smichael920: @Nevagonnabslim a bit like grammar schools &

comprehensives!! #ukedchat

bucharesttutor 20:27 Personally speaking now that I know EBacc, I will add some subjects

like Art, History, PE, Drama etc. to make it more robust #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:27@Grevster73 #ukedchat we've just solved the deficit for them....

oops.

familysimpson 20:27@Grevster73 #ukedchat we've just solved the deficit for them....

oops.

doc_gnome 20:27So true RT @colport: GGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, why can't

politicians just leave education alone, and trust the educators?

#ukedchat

doc_gnome 20:27So true RT @colport: GGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, why can't

politicians just leave education alone, and trust the educators?

#ukedchat


@ColinGoffin: Curriculum should be driven by what is appropriate

for students and nothing else. This cannot be decided centrally.

#ukedchat

colport 20:28

Have many secondary colleagues had staff meetings about these

proposed(?) changes? #ukedchat Has the vibe been totally

negative?

Smichael920 20:28@tonycassidy agree. Its about what's easy to measure #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:28 what about the self esteem of students? how will they feel if not

included in EBacc group? #ukedchat

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@Nevagonnabslim and if they continue to be rated good by Ofsted

then surely the league table won't matter??? Just a thought!

#Ukedchat

GillDeCosemo 20:28

@Nevagonnabslim That is very true! Though they are very keen on

vocational subjects & Bridge so hopefully will keep these!

#ukedchat

ColinGoffin 20:28@ianpocock Subjects as a starting point is too narrow. Ways of learning and access to skills and attributes goes beyond subject

#ukedchat

Grevster73 20:28 RT @familysimpson: @Grevster73 #ukedchat we've just solved the

deficit for them.... oops. < ssshhhh!

Creativeedu 20:28

The retrospective league tables of EBacc strike me as unfair -

schools being judged on something they couldn't prepare for?

#UKEdChat

familysimpson 20:28 RT @BAFDiploma @Nevagonnabslim @familysimpson Yes but thosechisels and stone tablets are still expensive! #ukedchat

#flippantcomment #hoho

Reteach10 20:28 @doc_gnome imagine what education would be like if pedagogical

rather than ideological #ukedchat

tj007 20:29

Do we need 2 have the tradl separate subjects? Maths with Art /

Maths with History / English with History / English with RE etc.

#ukedchat

familysimpson 20:29 @Smichael920 #ukedchat they hid it so well.

ClaireJoanne35 20:29@familysimpson I'm all for computing - I'm an ICT Manager in a

primary school! #ukedchat

aangeli 20:29RT @theokk: Arguing one subject more important than another

becomes pointless & divisive distracts from real debate about

education & learning #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:29 @colport silence #ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:29@CreativeEdu it just makes them look like progress has been made

later #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:29

@GillDeCosemo #ukedchat so is that an increase? sounds like push

for pupils to take language is half-hearted. no spanish? italian?

chinese?!

Reteach10 20:29

RT @tonycassidy I think it's more important at 14 that students

have a passion for learning in subjects they have interest in

#ukedchat

BAFDiploma 20:29

@colport @AdiNotNow Yes, just a shame they are not making use

of it. No idea of how to apply their extensive knowledge of facts!

#ukedchat

TeacherTalks 20:29RT @Creativeedu: The retrospective league tables of EBacc strike

me as unfair - schools being judged on something they couldn't

prepare for? #UKEdChat

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ColinGoffin 20:29 Subjects as a starting point is too narrow. Ways of learning and

access to skills and attributes goes beyond subject #ukedchat

andyhutt 20:29 RT @Reteach10: @doc_gnome imagine what education would be

like if pedagogical rather than ideological #ukedchat

ianpocock 20:29@ColinGoffin wonder if by doing that you can maintain and developlocal skills to help build more sustainable local communities?

#ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:29@Totallywired77 can they be rated if good if do not meet EBacc

though ? #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:29

If we added more subjects to EBacc to make it more balanced

woudln't we actually just be being even more restrictive?

#UKEdChat

MattSL 20:29 #ukedchat it seems differentiation, personalisation & student

centred learning means nothing to this DfE

theokk 20:29Arguing one subject more important than another becomes

pointless & divisive distracts from real debate about education &

learning #ukedchat

bucharesttutor 20:29 @Nevagonnabslim Latin is for linguistic S's, surely History n PE could

serve good armour #ukedchat

Totallywired77 20:30RT @Shaf_Hansraj: #ukedchat to quote a colleague "schools need

to stop being results whores" not about league tables but about

learning and aspiration

MattSL 20:30 @Creativeedu some are (will be). Esp those most concerned with

league tables, such as those with notice to improve #UKEdChat

ianpocock 20:30

does anyone have research that says enjoying learning for its own

sake brings better outcomes that focusing on core subjects?

#ukedchat

engelskan 20:30RT @briankotts What a mess. The catastrophe that is UK higher ed.

grows worse by the day. http://bit.ly/h3jAcq /via timeshighered

#ukedchat

TeacherTalks 20:30 RT @dailydenouement: Seeing yourself slide down a retrospectively

measured league table is great for staff morale. *sigh* #ukedchat

Hero_project 20:30

#ukedchat also very glad I work in progressive school who values it's

students choices I will continue to champion excellence in

vocational

Totallywired77 20:30@dailydenouement which of the stakeholders see the league tables

as being key piece of info? What about parent views, Ofsted, CVA?

#Ukedchat

BAFDiploma 20:30@CreativeEdu Pleased to say we are not #ukedchat

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dailydenouement 20:30 Seeing yourself slide down a retrospectively measured league table

is great for staff morale. *sigh* #ukedchat

mushychelle 20:30Agree! RT: All subjects r important. Blooms Tax shows order of

thinking, can be applied 2 all subjects #ukedchat do what u love

@mosquitomax

Nevagonnabslim 20:30does making a student take a lanuage actually make them

interested in it though? #ukedchat

bucharesttutor 20:30@Nevagonnabslim if given the authority, why not #ukedchat

doc_gnome 20:30

@nevagonnabslim @Totallywired77 @Grevster73 don't think many

schools will cont. to ignore Eng Bac; league tables matter to parents

#ukedchat

ColinGoffin 20:31

@ianpocock A good starting point but you need communication,

enterprise, resourcefulness etc These are not bound to subject

#ukedchat


RT @tonycassidy: I think it's more important at 14 that students


#ukedchat

GillDeCosemo 20:31 @familysimpson I suspect these will come, langs dept been on

decline due poor uptake, this might kick start it! #ukedchat

Totallywired77 20:31RT @mosquitomax: All subjects are important. Blooms Tax shows

the order of thinking, which can be applied to all subjects #ukedchat

do what u love

bucharesttutor 20:31 @Nevagonnabslim would ideally like a student to choose his

mother tongue n another foreign language #ukedchat

colport 20:31 Half way through #ukedchat this week. What do teachers do with

proposed plans? Just lie back and accept?

familysimpson 20:31 @tonycassidy #ukedchat don't see why not but the globe is blank as

no-one knows where the countries are anymore (or the paint for it)

Nevagonnabslim 20:31 will the EBacc mean more problems for teachers that have to teach

students subjects that they dont want to learn? #ukedchat

ColinGoffin 20:32 @Nevagonnabslim Yes. And students will end up failing in these

instead of succeeding elsewhere. Everyone loses #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:32



#ukedchat <A*

tonycassidy 20:32 The EBacc may also have a huge impact on KS3 teaching, as

specialists are required at KS4... #ukedchat

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GillDeCosemo 20:32 @familysimpson rumour has it DT dept panicking. School a tech

college so DT was compulsory. Not now though! #ukedchat

theokk 20:32 RT @colport: Half way through #ukedchat this week. What do

teachers do with proposed plans? Just lie back and accept?

Grevster73 20:32 they have back tracked on the Forest sell-off, they might listen -

teachers do hold a lot of power #Ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:32@bucharesttutor Choose being the word there though #ukedchat

colport 20:32RT @ethinking: @colport start a freeschool? #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:32 #ukedchat twitterfall losing grip, but can anyone tell me if EBacc

worth more to university than current A levels etc?

doc_gnome 20:32 Exactly. RT @Reteach10: @doc_gnome imagine what education

would be like if pedagogical rather than ideological #ukedchat

tj007 20:32

RT @Nevagonnabslim: will the EBacc mean more problems 4

teachers that have 2 teach students subjects that they dont want 2

learn? #ukedchat

colport 20:32#ukedchat "The developments of the detailed programmes for

learning that followed the Tomlinson and Rose revieâ€¦ (cont)

http://deck.ly/~gEj7b

Nevagonnabslim 20:32Why is there so little press on the EBacc? Why are schools being so

compliant? #ukedchat


@Totallywired77 HT, governors, parents... we're in an area with

falling numbers.Every league table becomes positive or negative PR

#ukedchat

MattSL 20:32 #ukedchat as it currently stands only 1 in 6 students would pas

EBacc, so schools will have to make substantial curriculum changes

Totallywired77 20:32RT @BAFDiploma: @Grevster73 @Totallywired77 #ukedchat

Relieved that my school is. They recognise that breadth and choices

is very important.

vjlbell 20:32RT @CreativeSTAR: I'm a parent, let my child OUTSIDE at school.

Supporting schools to get children outdoors http://twurl.nl/g2vaoh

#playoutdoors #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:33will EBacc result in lots of non-specialists having to teach history or

geography? #UKEdChat

bucharesttutor 20:33 @colport they cannot just lie back n accept, they must present their

ideas n get it heard if it means betterment of the future #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:33 Amen! RT @grahamwarren: A set of meaningless arbitrary

goalposts replacing the previous ones #ukedchat

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familysimpson 20:33 RT @MattSL: #ukedchat it seems differentiation, personalisation &

student centred learning means nothing to this DfE < well said!

ollyo2 20:33

#UKEdChat Did training on OFSTED criteria @ lunch. Can't have

outstanding without engaged pupils. Would conflict with Ebacc for

some.

mosquitomax 20:33 Will academies / free schools need to report on the eBacc#ukedchat ?

Nevagonnabslim 20:33 @familysimpson noone knows yet but if you fail one of the subjects

in EBacc you fail the Ebacc! #ukedchat

BAFDiploma 20:33@familysimpson It isn't A level based. Only GCSE level. So no it

won't be worth more. #ukedchat

grahamwarren 20:33A set of meaningless arbitrary goalposts replacing the previous ones

#ukedchat

engelskan 20:33

RT @briankotts How World of Warcraft helped a student kick his

gaming addiction & pass school http://bit.ly/dJXiO0 #edtech#ukedchat #edchat

familysimpson 20:34@ClaireJoanne35 #ukedchat in england? sounds like rough times

ahead. what's your take on this?

ronggordon 20:34 http://gu.com/p/2n7kb/tf via @GuardianEdu No end in sight to

Gove's lunatic proposals #ukedchat

colport 20:34 @tonycassidy Yes please #ukedchat ;-)

Nevagonnabslim 20:34 @Grevster73 Yes #ukedchat

Grevster73 20:34 RT @tonycassidy: Is the problem the exam system? Is it time to

scrap it and start again? #ukedchat < I'd love to have a stab at that

BAFDiploma 20:34@Nevagonnabslim Because we are hoping it will go away in a few

years? #ukedchat

tj007 20:34RT @grahamwarren: A set of meaningless arbitrary goalposts

replacing the previous ones #ukedchat <- setting the next govt up 4

their own ver

colport 20:34RT @Reteach10: @colport best solution is rpm provide researched

evidence of student experience. The gov don't have that - we do!!

#ukedchat

kerryuniservity 20:34RT @b_sills: Using heathfield cps as inspiration for personal

blogging session in Ipswich. Want to know how? Let me know. #cLc

#UniServity #ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:34Is the problem the exam system? Is it time to scrap it and start

again? #ukedchat

TeacherTalks 20:34@Grevster73 they have back tracked on the Forest... #Ukedchat

>>for now!

Grevster73 20:34 RT @mosquitomax: Will academies / free schools need to report onthe eBacc #ukedchat ? < I thought not

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Nevagonnabslim 20:34lets remember if you fail one of the subjects in the EBacc you fail all

of the EBacc #ukedchat

andyfield 20:35 RT @tonycassidy I'd welcome equivalent qualifications, each having

equal worth, with a free students choice #ukedchat

Janshs 20:35 RT @MattSL: #ukedchat I think may differentiate schs by thoseconcerned with leagues & those with students. But may look like

academic vs non-academic

Grevster73 20:35RT @Reteach10: @colport best solution is rpm provide researched

evidence of student experience. The gov don't have that - we do!!

#UKEdChat

Creativeedu 20:35 what would you propose instead of the EBacc - things to carry on as

they were or do you have a better idea? #UKEdChat

mosquitomax 20:35 the answer is to convert to academy / start a free school, thenignore the eBacc imho #ukedchat

Arakwai 20:35

#ukedchat As a Narional Challenge school, if we could ever be

measured on our #EBacc results, we have to play the game or go

under :-(

Totallywired77 20:35RT @doc_gnome: @colport is there a difference in opinion of

classroom teacher and senior management. Get the feeling there is;

makes it hard. #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:35

@Nevagonnabslim #ukedchat can tell you that is definitely NOT the

case from scottish curriculum but there is a wider variety of

languages

ColinGoffin 20:35

'Learners will inherit the earth ...' Attributes and skills are the key.

These are everywhere or nowhere depending on teaching

#ukedchat

colport 20:35

RT @ronggordon: http://bit.ly/hU8EjU via @GuardianEdu No end in

sight to Gove's lunatic proposals #ukedchat <The LibDems just

accept :-s

bucharesttutor 20:35 @Nevagonnabslim I studied n India where i had a mixed bag of art,

music and sciences besides the usual PE n social sciences #ukedchat

MattSL 20:35

#ukedchat I think may differentiate schs by those concerned with

leagues & those with students. But may look like academic vs non-

academic

Smichael920 20:35@CreativeEdu from those I've spoken to I think it's going to happen

#ukedchat

doc_gnome 20:35

@colport is there a difference in opinion of classroom teacher and

senior management. Get the feeling there is; makes it hard.

#ukedchat

Reteach10 20:35 @colport best solution is rpm provide researched evidence of

student experience. The gov don't have that - we do!! #UKEdChat

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tonycassidy 20:36

league tables have corrupted education, exams are no longer seen

as a snapshot of progress at a specific point, but the end point

#ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:36 @familysimpson good! #ukedchat

ollyo2 20:36RT @ColinGoffin: 'Learners will inherit the earth ...' Attributes and

skills are the key. These are everywhere or nowhere depending onteaching #ukedchat

theokk 20:36 @colport agree, teachers should have professional body that is in

touch and has clout, and I don't mean unions #ukedchat

theokk 20:37@colport agree again, research based evidence, international Inc,

not cherry picked #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:37 RT @colport: RT @ethinking: @colport start a freeschool?

#ukedchat < you can't you're too qualified...

r20_blogroll 20:37DWYT: Scan a books barcode and get a fully formatted reference?#UKedchat: You probably know how keen I am on QR...

http://bit.ly/i8wg9S

dailydenouement 20:37RT @ColinGoffin: @doc_gnome I'm senior manager but also a

teacher! I want quality learning experiences regardless of subject.

#ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:37Who is EBacc designed for? Do PARENTS like it? #UKEdChat

pwardle0910 20:37RT @tonycassidy: Correct me if I'm wrong, but but what is the

purpose of the EBacc? #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:37RT @tonycassidy: league tables have corrupted education, exams

are no longer seen as a snapshot of progress at a specific point, but

the end point #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:37 Headteachers have put forward an alternative. what would be your

five subjects for a EBACC? #ukedchat

colport 20:37 #ukedchat "Two other words that are notably absent are "future"

and "childhood"" http://bit.ly/fUPcA4

ColinGoffin 20:37 @doc_gnome I'm senior manager but also a teacher! I want quality

learning experiences regardless of subject. #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:37@GillDeCosemo #ukedchat true - HAS to if it's compulsory!

ronggordon 20:38 @colport Ironic as on paper Lib Dems had best education policies.

Shame they weren't worth paper written on #ukedchat

Totallywired77 20:38#Ukedchat Is the EBac an attempt by Gove to increase UK standings

in the PISA table?

Grevster73 20:38 RT @familysimpson: RT @colport: RT @ethinking: @colport start a

freeschool? #ukedchat < you can't you're too qualified... hehe

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philallman1 20:38 @colport that's because in gove's head future is past and childhood

is what happened to someone else. #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:38 @Creativeedu they are still exploring #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:38 @GillDeCosemo #ukedchat so can't be a tech college now if current

push is towards qualification that ignores technology! madness!

MattSL 20:38RT @Arakwai: #ukedchat As a Narional Challenge school, if we

could ever be measured on our #EBacc results, we have to play the

game or go under :-(

bucharesttutor 20:38 @Creativeedu Definitely ask for more flexibility in the EBacc system

so that our S's really enter the future better equipped #ukedchat

Hero_project 20:38

#ukedchat I have EBacc subjects, my success however is down to

tenacity, transferable skills and good work ethic could have any 9

o'levels

dailydenouement 20:38There has been little chance to consult when already measured

against RT @CreativeEdu: Who is EBacc designed for? Do PARENTS

like? #UKEdChat

Reteach10 20:38

RT @Smichael920 @CreativeEdu from those I've spoken to I think

it's going to happen #ukedchat encourage techrs to make education

their own?

Creativeedu 20:38@Nevagonnabslim what was the headteachers' alternative?

#UKEdChat

colport 20:38 @Reteach10 Absolutely. Are we too compliant as a *profession*?

#ukedchat Would doctors accept such a change?

Nevagonnabslim 20:38 @ColinGoffin but some heads have already changed option

pathways for the EBacc #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:39@Reteach10 we dont know there has been no consultation and

press are very quiet #ukedchat

Reteach10 20:39 RT @colport @Reteach10 Absolutely. Are we too compliant as a

*profession*? #ukedchat YES - we are at the whim of politicians

TeacherToolkit 20:39RT @tonycassidy: league tables have corrupted education, exams



familysimpson 20:39@Nevagonnabslim #ukedchat GOOD GOD! They get NOTHING?!

hrogerson 20:39@CreativeEdu #ukedchat I am not even sure parents have heard of

it.

doc_gnome 20:39@ColinGoffin are you unusual in that? My experience is that many

SM stop being teachers (sadly) and lose touch with the classroom.#ukedchat

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ColinGoffin 20:39

@Nevagonnabslim They have and it's hard not to unless you are

successful or courageous but I say do what's right by the students

#ukedchat

BAFDiploma 20:39 @GillDeCosemo Thanks, I guess I am lucky working in a school were

student choices is valued by a talented timetabler #ukedchat

theokk 20:39 @Nevagonnabslim pointless exercise (5 subjects) we are living in an

age of connected knowledge #ukedchat

Grevster73 20:39

RT @Totallywired77: #Ukedchat Is the EBac an attempt by Gove to

increase UK standings in the PISA table? < noâ€¦ (cont)

http://deck.ly/~Yp2tX

colport 20:39 @theokk You're very agreeable this evening ;-) Gvt cherry picks

what policies they want to put into practice! #ukedchat

mosquitomax 20:39 RT @Totallywired77: #Ukedchat Is the EBac an attempt by Gove toincrease UK standings in the PISA table? >> yes, only explanation

Reteach10 20:39 RT @Creativeedu Who is EBacc designed for? Do PARENTS like it?

#UKEdChat does gove even care?

familysimpson 20:39 @BAFDiploma #ukedchat thanks, so after EBacc they go on to A

levels? That can't compare to IB then!


@Arakwai: As Narional Challenge school, if we could ever be

measured on our EBacc results,we have to play the game or go

under :-( #ukedchat

tafkam1979 20:39RT @Creativeedu: The retrospective league tables of EBacc strike

me as unfair - schools being judged on something they couldn't

prepare for? #UKEdChat

ClaireJoanne35 20:39 @familysimpson yes. Local 2ndary school still has students study

ICT alongside EBacc - maybe needs amalgamating #ukedchat

MattSL 20:39RT @tonycassidy: league tables have corrupted education, exams



thedippyhippy 20:39RT @Shaf_Hansraj: #ukedchat to quote a colleague "schools need

to stop being results whores" not about leaguâ€¦ (cont)

http://deck.ly/~iarZo

Reteach10 20:40RT @doc_gnome: @ColinGoffin are you unusual in that? My

experience is that many SM stop being teachers (sadly) and lose

touch with the classroom. #ukedchat

colport 20:40@MattSL Yes they are. But they are being given more control over

their systems #ukedchatClaireJoanne35 20:40 what's included in IB? #ukedchat

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Reteach10 20:40 RT @theokk: @Nevagonnabslim pointless exercise (5 subjects) we

are living in an age of connected knowledge #ukedchat

BAFDiploma 20:40 @familysimpson Excatly.....the terminology is confusing. Same

name different levels. #woollythinking #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:40if they fail at one subject in the EBacc they fail the Ebacc #ukedchat

colport 20:40 @ronggordon I am very disappointed in them. Esp as local LibDem

MP was a (private) school teacher! #ukedchat

rantingteacher 20:40 @Nevagonnabslim there are already core subjects and pupils don't

necessarily want to take them! #ukedchat

MattSL 20:40@colport Doctors are also being subject to massive changes

#ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:40 Maybe Gove thinks forcing IN EBacc will cause less controversy than

specifically forcing OUT VocEd? but same result #UKEdChat

TeacherTalks 20:40 NICE provides guidance on health and clinical excellence - we need

a NIPE...National Institute for Pedagogical Excellence! #ukedchat

bucharesttutor 20:40 @CreativeEdu Had never heard if this kind of education ever existed

so I don't ever think if parents will ever approve of it #ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:40

#ukedchat Let's take it back to the start for a mo; what skills &

knowledge do these kids need for their future? Start there, then

build up?

doc_gnome 20:41 @CreativeEdu agreed but it makes it much easier to show

improvement the following year! #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:41 @carterheadteach what are the ramifications of the EBacc for a

small school like yours? #UKEdChat

Nevagonnabslim 20:41Voc Ed teachers are scared of losing their job. Are they right to be

scared? #ukedchat

ClaireJoanne35 20:41 @tj007 sounds like a good idea #ukedchat

MattSL 20:41 #ukedchat does anyone on here support the EBacc or know of any

education professional that does?

tonycassidy 20:41I'm a bit suspicious of trying to predict the future in terms of

subjects and skills... #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:41 @Reteach10 No I think it's yet another striking e.g. of trying to

make all schools look like a grammar school... #UKEdChat

ColinGoffin 20:41 @doc_gnome I know many SM who are still absolutely governed by

a commitment to their students and quality learning. #ukedchat

philallman1 20:41@CreativeEdu makes daily mail readers happy #ukedchat

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RT @Reteach10: RT @theokk: @Nevagonnabslim pointless exercise

(5 subjects) we are living in an age of connected knowledge

#ukedchat

tj007 20:41 At degree level there is a BA, BSc, BEng etc. - similar could be

applied (instead of EBacc), but not necessary this early... #ukedchat

TeacherToolkit 20:42 My school is facing up to 21 redundancies!!

ronggordon 20:42 @colport Fortunately for me my tribal Labour instincts made me

not trust Lib Dems in 1st place #ukedchat

hrogerson 20:42

@theokk @Nevagonnabslim #ukedchat thinks that facts trump

skills & not that schools should prepare kids 4 jobs that don't exist

yet

Totallywired77 20:42@mosquitomax #Ukedchat Write down 100 times - "we must do

better than Alberta"

GillDeCosemo 20:42

@familysimpson Son1 HATED he had to do DT subject, failed it,

would preferred to do any other subject, jealous of Son3's choice#ukedchat

MattSL 20:42RT @mattbuxton10: #ukedchat Let's take it back to the start for a

mo; what skills & knowledge do these kids need for their future?

Start there, then build up?

Nevagonnabslim 20:42 @MattSL NO i dont #ukedchat

bucharesttutor 20:42 @mattbuxton10 surely English, a foreign language, Math, one

science subject, PE, art, music, drama, Economics #ukedchat

TeacherTalks 20:42 Reteach10

JOHNSAYERS 20:42@tonycassidy as another geographer here here! #ukedchat

ianpocock 20:42 I think we increasingly undervalue intelligence in favour of

intellectualism, which can't be a good thing #ukedchat

Grevster73 20:42 RT @MattSL: #ukedchat does anyone on here support the EBacc or

know of any education professional that does? nope

colport 20:42 #ukedchat "As we scour the planet for examples of good curriculum

practice, let's also remember that there is a lot of it about in UK"

Nevagonnabslim 20:42 @MattSL NO #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:43 @ClaireJoanne35 #ukedchat definitely - should be integral to EBacc.

Relevant in academic and vocational higher / further ed and work!

MattSL 20:43@colport yes, but they don't really want it (anyway, bit of a

digression) #ukedchat

ColinGoffin 20:43 @MattSL Taught well and with the right students the combination is

fine. It's applying it to all where it falls down #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:43 @philallman1 *shudders* #UKEdChat

philallman1 20:43@colport except we're all teaching in a war zone apparently! #edbill

debate #ukedchat

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tonycassidy 20:43

not support of the EBacc, but in some schools Humanities and

Languages have ceased to exist , students don't have these choices

#ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:43 RT @TeacherToolkit: My school is facing up to 21 redundancies!!

#Academies #ukedchat #TTkit Pls RT

BAFDiploma 20:43I wouldn't choose 5 subjects to be in an #Ebacc. It is just anonsense. A wrapper for qualifications, not a qual in itself.

#ukedchat

doc_gnome 20:43 Not that I know of! RT @MattSL: #ukedchat does anyone on here

support the EBacc or know of any education professional that does?


RT @Reteach10: its the lack of consultation that is so worrying. If

any lose touch with the c/rm the gov can't even see the c/rm!!

#ukedchat

BAFDiploma 20:44

By definition #ebacc devalues some subjects and distorts the ed

market place. It will aid the few to the detriment of the many.#ukedchat

hrogerson 20:44 @Nevagonnabslim #ukedchat probably, and that will mean removal

of the subject from ks3 too if the staff member goes, e.g. Drama

Grevster73 20:44

RT @colport: @MattSL Agree. My point goes back to teachers and

teaching not really seen as a 'profession', especially by politicians

#ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:44@CarterHeadteach Have you adopted it yet for option choices?

#ukedchat

familysimpson 20:44RT @theokk: @Nevagonnabslim pointless exercise (5 subjects) we

are living in an age of connected knowledge #ukedchat < i'd agree

with this!

colport 20:44 @MattSL Agree. My point goes back to teachers and teaching not

really seen as a 'profession', especially by politicians #ukedchat

Totallywired77 20:44RT @colport: #ukedchat "As we scour the planet for examples of

good curriculum practice, let's also remember that there is a lot of

it about in UK"


RT@MattSL Taught well and with the right students the

combination is fine. It's applying it to all where it falls down

#ukedchat

bucharesttutor 20:44

@ClaireJoanne35 IB divides between Standard, Study and High

Levels. Main subjects being Math, Phy, Chem, Bio, Eco, ITGS, PE etc

#ukedchat

CarterHeadteach 20:44 @CreativeEdu #ukedchat #ebacc is rubbish for us. Options hard

enough and selection further complicates.

ollyo2 20:44 #UKEdChat cmparing ourselvs 2 manufacturing&routine-basedeconomies isn't relevant to our need for *skills* in information-

based world(PISA)

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Nevagonnabslim 20:44so if you dont agree with the EBacc what are you doing? #ukedchat

TeacherTalks 20:45RT @MattSL: #ukedchat we need to educate students for jobs that

haven't been created yet. Gove is educating students for jobs that

don't exist anymore

familysimpson 20:45 @BAFDiploma #ukedchat so some schools could do EBacc then IB?

This makes no sense to me - extremely restrictive to future options.

ClaireJoanne35 20:45@bucharesttutor thanks. Do you think this is a better option over

EBacc? #ukedchat

ianpocock 20:45

@Nevagonnabslim What about if you went the whole hog and took

away all set curriculum. What do you think would happen?

#ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:45 @bucharesttutor #ukedchat They're subjects though; what do they

actually need to be able to do? or know??

mosquitomax 20:45 RT @Creativeedu: @CarterHeadteach presumably it leaves you with

very little ability to teach alternative subjects? #UKEdChat

colport 20:45 #ukedchat So what should we do now?

Creativeedu 20:45 @CarterHeadteach presumably it leaves you with very little ability

to teach alternative subjects? #UKEdChat

MattSL 20:45

#ukedchat we need to educate students for jobs that haven't been

created yet. Gove is educating students for jobs that don't exist

anymore

Nevagonnabslim 20:45 RT @theokk: pointless exercise (5 subjects) we are living in an age

of connected knowledge #ukedchat < i'd agree with this!

JOHNSAYERS 20:45

My school has just bought into wider key skills. And I'm sorry but

what you can achieve - BB for what you need to do is a joke!

#ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:45@philallman1 I'm a daily mail reader, I find it very informative and a

agent for good #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:46@ianpocock teachers would do what is best for students #ukedchat

Reteach10 20:46 #ukedchat hang on if we go on skills for the future we'd have to

scrap subjects and just go to teaching office admin. No!

tonycassidy 20:46RT @MattSL: #ukedchat we need to educate students for jobs that


don't exist anymore

rantingteacher 20:46

#ukedchat As a pupil I was forced to take a practical subject for

options and I really didn't want to. I can understand pupil

frustrations.

colport 20:46 Hang on...(playing devils advocate here)....are teachers just scaredof change? #ukedchat

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Grevster73 20:46 unis r doing collaborative research b/w disciplines, degrees r more

mixed, so why make schools so restricted for choice? #Ukedchat

Altany 20:46RT @MattSL: #ukedchat we need to educate students for jobs that


don't exist anymore

BAFDiploma 20:46 @Nevagonnabslim Engaging in dialogue with SLT. Aime to ensure

the importance of all subjects..even vocational ones ;-)!! #ukedchat

CarterHeadteach 20:46

@Nevagonnabslim #ukedchat we have 2 choice in 10 and then 2

more in 11. French is there in 10, as is Geog. Hist in 11 but max

25% of stds

familysimpson 20:46RT @ColinGoffin @doc_gnome I know many SM who are still

absolutely governed by a commitment to their students and quality

learning #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:46Primary teachers are not realising the effect the EBacc will have on

them too ! #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:46RT @colport: #ukedchat So what should we do now? <start

drinking...

hrogerson 20:46@CarterHeadteach @CreativeEdu #ukedchat it doesn't help when

they only give you a few weeks to make changes! this type of

change takes time

elearning_jobs 20:46DWYT: Scan a books barcode and get a fully formatted reference?

#UKedchat: You probably know how keen I am on QRâ€¦

http://goo.gl/fb/kTqVY <

Creativeedu 20:46RT @MattSL: #ukedchat we need to educate students for jobs that


don't exist anymore

jennitonic80 20:47â€œ@TeacherToolkit: My school is facing up to 21 redundancies!!

Arakwai 20:47

#ukedchat I have a yr9 tutor group & I hate that at 14 they may

have to choose between #EBacc and a subject that is important to

them.


@CreativeEdu #ukedchat We are not going to be judged by Ebacc -

it is just irrelevant. Unless Ebacc becomes floor target in which

case...

TeacherTalks 20:47 Be very wary of international comparisons from Gove - he has got

Alberta all wrong: http://bit.ly/dRXnYI #UKEdChat

Creativeedu 20:47 RT @colport: Hang on...(playing devils advocate here)....are

teachers just scared of change? #ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:47 If you think the EBacc is interesting... just wait for the Core

Knowledge curriculum at Key Stage 3 #ukedchat

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Creativeedu 20:47Is anyone doing e.g. Spanish a year early to make room for more

subjects in year 11? #UKEdChat

MissiF 20:47@TeacherTalks people accept the need 4 expert advice on health

but all think they ARE the experts on educ cos they went to school

#ukedchat

Grevster73 20:47 RT @chris_1974: @colport we're not scared of change, excepting

changing back (to 19th century!) #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:47

#ukedchat twitterfall tonight looks one sided - can't see many posts

reflect positively on EBacc. Gove can't have come up with this on

own!?

Reteach10 20:47RT @MattSL: #ukedchat we need to educate students for jobs that


don't exist anymore

mosquitomax 20:47 RT @GillDeCosemo: You are right @BAFDiploma the #EBacc is only

a wrapper for qualifications, not a qual in itself. #ukedchat

chris_1974 20:47@colport we're not scared of change, excepting changing back (to

19th century!) #ukedchat

ollyo2 20:47RT @MattSL: #ukedchat we need to educate students for jobs that


don't exist anymore

GillDeCosemo 20:47 You are right @BAFDiploma the #EBacc is only a wrapper for

qualifications, not a qual in itself. #ukedchat

mosquitomax 20:47RT @colport: #ukedchat So what should we do now? >> ignore the

eBacc imho

Creativeedu 20:48@familysimpson There must be one.... #UKEdChat

dailydenouement 20:48 @CarterHeadteach We already have been judged, in the publishing

of retrospective EBacc tables for last year's GCSE cohort #ukedchat

CarterHeadteach 20:48@colport #ukedchat - change is good, but only when it is driven by

data and logic... #Dogma

Creativeedu 20:48 @familysimpson If you find the teacher who voted for the Tories

we'll ask him his opinion!!! #UKEdChat

TeacherTalks 20:48RT @colport Hang on (playing devils advocate here) are teachers

just scared of change? #ukedchat >imposed change is (nearly)

always resisted

ClaireJoanne35 20:48RT @Grevster73: does seem like a backward step #ukedchat

ronggordon 20:48 So if I am unable to get a job who do I blame Uni, Secondary, Junior,Infant or Play School? #Govefail #ukedchat

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mosquitomax 20:48RT @Arakwai: #ukedchat I have a yr9 tutor group & I hate that at

14 they may have to choose between #EBacc and a subject that is

important to them.

Nevagonnabslim 20:48@Creativeedu scared of losing student choice #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:48 @GillDeCosemo #ukedchat again, naive here with specialist colleges

- are there other options or is that just the local school?

hrogerson 20:48 @colport #ukedchat not scarf of change, just sick of it, let things

evolve with gentle nudges and expert advice.

doc_gnome 20:48 @colport I see little value in change for change's sake. Some would

argue there is too much and too frequent change. #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:48 RT @familysimpson: #ukedchat twitterfall tonight looks one sided -can't see many posts reflect positively on EBacc. Gove can't have

come up with this on own!?

colport 20:48 RT @BAFDiploma: @colport Some will be it is a human condition,

but increasingly as a profession we are embracing it. #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:49

RT @ollyo2 #UKEdChat cmparing ourselvs 2 manufac&routine-

based economies isn't relevant to our need for *skills* in info-based

world(PISA)

ollyo2 20:49 @colport resistant if it goes backwards and fails to consider what's

in the front windscreen at all. #ukedchat

BAFDiploma 20:49 @familysimpson No he didn't, he had somebody else dictate how

he should think to him. #ukedchat

Shaf_Hansraj 20:49RT @TeacherTalks: NICE provides guidance on health and clinical

excellence - we need a NIPE...National Institute for Pedagogical

Excellence! #ukedchat

colport 20:49

#ukedchat As a profession we owe it to children to offer them

learning that will give them the knowledge anâ€¦ (cont)

http://deck.ly/~Kk7jo

theokk 20:49 @dailydenouement I'll say it till I am blue in the face,the argument

about subject value fr learning is a red herring #ukedchat

ColinGoffin 20:49

@doc_gnome I have a great network. It's not a class teacher/SMT

divide. More of an attitudinal issue that can appear anywhere

#ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:49 @CarterHeadteach Oftsed inspector said yesterday it will be one of

three measures #ukedchat

Grevster73 20:49 @colport change is ok if u believe in the change or do change with

people, not *to* them. #Ukedchat

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grahamwarren 20:49The only constant in education is change #ukedchat

colport 20:49#ukedchat "Nothing will be changed by statute until 2013"

BAFDiploma 20:50 @colport You do not need laws when you publish the figures

retrospectively? It was underhanded and deceitful. #ukedchat

theokk 20:50@TeacherTalks and Finland, and Singapore, and Hong Kong #cherry

picking #ukedchat

jennitonic80 20:50RT @MattSL: #ukedchat we need to educate students for jobs that


don't exist anymore

familysimpson 20:50

RT @colport: #ukedchat As we scour the planet for examples of

good curriculum practice, let's also remember that (cont)

http://tl.gd/8t7qsg

colport 20:50My last tweet was a quote from http://bit.ly/fUPcA4 #ukedchat

Totallywired77 20:50 â€œ@colport: #ukedchat "Nothing will be changed by statute until

2013"â€ > Gove won't last 6 months, could be more changes.....

Smichael920 20:50

@colport gov intent on blaming us 4 probs caused by successive

govs thinking they know best rather than celebrating r successes

#ukedchat

Grevster73 20:50@colport - ooh look at u with ur extra long tweets! #Ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:50 @colport have to say after four National Curriculum changes I'm

not scared any more, I just laugh and carry on as normal #ukedchat

Reteach10 20:50

@Creativeedu @colport yes they are scared of mis-managed

change. But look at the crm today full of technology. teachers lv

chg #ukedchat

TeacherTalks 20:50RT @ronggordon If I'm unable to get a job do I blame Uni,

Secondary, Junior, Infant or Play School? #Govefail #ukedchat >>Iain

Duncan Smith!

Nevagonnabslim 20:50 @colport No its already part of the league tables. Schools were

judged this year and they didnt even know #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:50RT @colport: #ukedchat "As we scour the planet for examples of

good curriculum practice, let's also remember that there is a lot of

it about in UK"

colport 20:51 RT @chris_1974: well, #ukedchat has throttled my tweet stream

tonight! Emotive issue then..<~ Mine too. Sounds good!

familysimpson 20:51 RT @MattSL: #ukedchat we need to educate students for jobs thathaven't been created yet. Gove is educating students for jobs that

don't exist anymore

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chris_1974 20:51well, ukedchat has throttled my tweet stream tonight! Emotive

issue then..

tonycassidy 20:51 We had a good plan for post 14 education, Tomlinson Report, IB

type qualificaiotn, vocational report- labour fudged it #ukedchat

ollyo2 20:51 #UKEdChat my diploma group, were certainly very vicious about"this Mr Gove bloke" when their course got scrapped 6months in.

Reteach10 20:51 RT @Shaf_Hansraj RT @TeacherTalks: NIPE...National Institute for

Pedagogical Excellence! #ukedchat YES!!

mattbuxton10 20:51 @MattSL #ukedchat Which will be more important then; to be able

to write an essay or analyse a piece of visual imagery?

ClaireJoanne35 20:51@Nevagonnabslim seemed very unfair & a bit pointless really

#ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:51 @Shaf_Hansraj @teachertalks NIPE is a great idea but would have

been disbanded by Gove already if it did exist... #UKEdChat

MattSL 20:51

#ukedchat @colport teachers are right be scared of change. Change

has happened too much & too fast over last 20 years & everyones

sick of it

Nevagonnabslim 20:51@ianpocock Gove says there will be no choice. students must go to

local school #ukedchat

Grevster73 20:52

RT @colport: @tonycassidy If labour had done their work on time,

would this gvt be trying to undo it anyway (Tomlinson/Rose etc.)

#ukedchat

ColinGoffin 20:52

Ducking out. Great to hear so much from such passionate people.

Now need to stop neglecting my wife! Work/life balance? Cheers!

#ukedchat

colport 20:52 @tonycassidy If labour had done their work on time, would this gvt

be trying to undo it anyway (Tomlinson/Rose etc.) #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:52 knowledge and facts more important in the EBacc than applying

even Applied Science wont count #ukedchat

hrogerson 20:53 #ukedchat it is the #EBacc going to divide the haves and have nots?

Or should we just teach kids all the same right to 16 and beyond?

Nevagonnabslim 20:53@CarterHeadteach LOL Gies a Job. I will undoom ya #ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:53 @petemona lots of facts #ukedchat

colport 20:53@Nevagonnabslim Who funded that report? #ukedchat

cherylren 20:53We'll respond as we always do. Strategic compliance with the

meddling whilst covertly doing what we feel is right for our learners

#ukedchat

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tonycassidy 20:53

I've heard horror stories, GCSEs starting year 8, year 10 students

having to change courses- not in their interest but schools (?)

#ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:53 @Totallywired77 @familysimpson I'm going to defend woman kind

and say no female would be so daft.... ;-) #UKEdChat

Reteach10 20:53 #UKEDCHAT interesting on this just how separate politics and

education are. Thus has to change if we are to move on successfully

Nevagonnabslim 20:53 But why does a recent report say private schools will fall down

league tables with the EBacc? #ukedchat

CarterHeadteach 20:53@Nevagonnabslim #ukedchat Oh dear... Doomed.

familysimpson 20:53@rantingteacher #ukedchat future adults will remember frustration

at having to take compulsory subjects in EBacc. Is there a perfectlist?

aangeli 20:54 RT @MattSL: @mattbuxton10 flexible, transferable skills & the

ability to learn to learn #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:54RT @Rick_Hall: Children entering school this year will leave in 2024

to a world that hasn't been invented yet. education needs to

recognises that #ukedchat

Reteach10 20:54 #ukedchat need to bring in pedagogical based ed reform NOT

whimsical ideological eye catching reform

Nevagonnabslim 20:54@colport Private school consensus group #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:54Will EBacc just be a flash in the pan or here to stay? #UKEdChat

Rick_Hall 20:54

Children entering school this year will leave in 2024 to a world that

hasn't been invented yet. education needs to recognises that

#ukedchat

Smichael920 20:54

Successes & innovations come from networks, peers & plns etc-big

expensive failures tend 2 b top down initiatives driven by gov

#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:54Last five minutes of this fascinating #ukedchat hosted by

@Nevagonnabslim

CarterHeadteach 20:54 @dailydenouement #ukedchat Not worried about leagues tables.

Ebacc has just made these complex beyond comprehension...

Arakwai 20:54#Ukedchat Impossible to explain my thoughts on #Gove #EBacc &

my Yr9's in 140 characters. Blogged a few weeks ago here

http://j.mp/fkT51Iâ€

familysimpson 20:54 @Reteach10 #ukedchat ok, relevant for some but the world is not

full of office admins (or children who want to be office admins)

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MattSL 20:54@mattbuxton10 flexible, transferable skills & the ability to learn to

learn #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:55 RT @colport: #ukedchat "Nothing will be changed by statute until

2013" < and then you're all screwed.


RT @Suze01: I worry that some students will feel *obliged* to

follow EBacc route at the expense of what they enjoy or are goodat. #ukedchat


RT @Suze01: I worry that some students will feel *obliged* to

follow EBacc route at the expense of what they enjoy or are good

at. #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:55@Creativeedu #ukedchat i suspect a witch hunt...

#flippantcommentno47

petemona 20:55@cherylren #ukedchat one of the most sensible statements that

has been said all night

bucharesttutor 20:55 @Nevagonnabslim Guess we need to have subjects for the futurelike Math, ICT, Econ etc #ukedchat

BAFDiploma 20:55 @CreativeEdu Flash #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:55 @CarterHeadteach LOL #ukedchat

Suze01 20:55 I worry that some students will feel *obliged* to follow EBacc route

at the expense of what they enjoy or are good at. #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:55 #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:55 @CarterHeadteach LOL #ukedchat

Grevster73 20:55RT @Reteach10: #ukedchat need to bring in pedagogical based ed

reform NOT whimsical ideological eye catchinâ€¦ (cont)

http://deck.ly/~FjnBS

mosquitomax 20:55 RT @Nevagonnabslim: @colport Private school consensus group

#ukedchat >> gone in a change at the top

BAFDiploma 20:55 RT SirHumphreyApp "Minister, if you must do this damn silly thing,

don't do it in this damn silly way!" > Still pertinent! #ukedchat

ClaireJoanne35 20:55@CreativeEdu probably be something else next year!! #ukedchat

Reteach10 20:56 @familysimpson but if education is based on job market it becomes

a worrying curriculum model #ukedchat

petemona 20:56@tonycassidy no skills then just content? #ukedchat

briankotts 20:56 College Students Multitask During Lectures http://bit.ly/hdo1x2 /via

@thedailystat Shocked! #edchat #ukedchat #edtech #highered

Nevagonnabslim 20:56The EBacc is a return to the 1950s and the school certificate. That

worked didnt it lol #ukedchat

doc_gnome 20:56@Nevagonnabslim because ind schools won't force pupils to do theEBacc subjects and so they will have 'poor' league table results.

#ukedchat

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dailydenouement 20:56RT @tonycassidy: I've heard horror stories, GCSEs starting year 8,

year 10 students having to change courses- not in their interest but

schools (?) #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:56 @familysimpson LOL #UKEdChat

ollyo2 20:56

#UKEdChat in favour of encouraging higher expectations (even for

challenging pupils) but not forcing unwanted subjects on them.Ebacc.

mattbuxton10 20:56@MattSL #ukedchat Agreed esp when changes rushed due to

personal whim of guy who knows they'll be gone (up or out) before

impact truly hits

TeacherTalks 20:56

RT @Reteach10: RT @Shaf_Hansraj RT @TeacherTalks:

NIPE...National Institute for Pedagogical Excellence! #ukedchat

YES!!

dailydenouement 20:56 RT @cherylren: We'll respond as we always do. Strategiccompliance with the meddling whilst covertly doing what we feel is

right for our learners #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:56students will be forced by some Heads to take EBacc #ukedchat


#ukedchat tweeted some time ago that employers want skills,

students want skills... All research since before 97 talked about

skills...

Totallywired77 20:57 #Ukedchat Remember Gove might be able to tell us what to teach,

but he will never be able to tell us how to teach

tonycassidy 20:57 @petemona a core of knowledge that has to be delivered by

everyone, abandoning the concept curriculum #ukedchat

TeacherTalks 20:57

RT @cherylren Response: strategic compliance with the meddling

whilst covertly doing what is right for our learners #ukedchat

>perfectly put

BAFDiploma 20:57

The trouble is that there are many leaders that will lack the self-

confidence to resit this window-dressing. Students will suffer.

#ukedchat

CarterHeadteach 20:57 #ukedchat have not heard enough from NAHT/ASCL re: Ebacc.

#disappointed Or have I not looked hard enough?

Creativeedu 20:57 @familysimpson to be fair I voted Lib Dem which as it turns out was

just as bad #LittleDidIKnow #UKEdChat

Nevagonnabslim 20:57 lots of emotions about the EBacc. Lots of talk in the staffrooms.

Why nothing in the press #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:57@BAFDiploma #ukedchat this person could not care deeply about

the well being and future prospects of the pupils or the country-deportation?

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chris_1974 20:57@Nevagonnabslim we're not changing our guided choices. MFL

compuls anyway(Lang coll), but if they don't choose hist / geog,

fine. #ukedchat

redtedart 20:57made these at #playgroup today: http://bit.ly/fZfTKE worked a

treat, ideal for #childminders #teachpreschool #ukedchat #teachers#crafts

Creativeedu 20:58

RT @theokk: #ukedchat a question that seems to be emerging is

whose interests are schools serving? who are the stakeholders?

#ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:58@Totallywired77 Um he is . No ICT No thinking Skills just knowledge

and memory #ukedchat

BAFDiploma 20:58

@Nevagonnabslim Errr, could bias be a reason for the lack of press

coverage? Also Nothing in Express as Princess Di not involved

#ukedchat

Hero_project 20:582 English, maths, 3 science, geography, history, RE 9 good academicGCSEs but no EBacc = public schs slipping down league tables

#ukedchat

theokk 20:58 #ukedchat a question that seems to be emerging is whose interests

are schools serving? who are the stakeholders? #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:58 @chris_1974 even if you come bottom of the leagues when 5 a -c

goes and your left with the EBacc? #ukedchat

MattSL 20:58

#ukedchat Guy Caxton says "politicians are between irrelevant and

irritating". Not sure I agree, but suggests he thinks most will ignore

it

mosquitomax 20:59 good point @theokk we teach each and every pupil in front of us,

not politician #Gove #ukedchat

CarterHeadteach 20:59 @MattSL #ukedchat good point.

familysimpson 20:59#ukedchat what i don't understand is: industry employers

recommend a portfolio of work to show application of knowledge-

how does EB do this

tonycassidy 20:59 If students do follow the Ebacc, then take the traditional A-levels,

they won't be able to afford higher education anyway #ukedchat


@BAFDiploma:Errr, could bias be a reason for the lack of press

coverage? Also Nothing in Express as Princess Di not involved

#ukedchat

chris_1974 20:59@Nevagonnabslim well, it's not my decision (fully, anyhow), but so

far. #ukedchat

GillDeCosemo 20:59

@familysimpson getting Tech status benefitted feeder primaries

with DT & ICT help. New head & curric being revamped &

broadened. #ukedchat

jennitonic80 20:59 #UKEdChat how much of all this change is to push more people into

free schools system?? Wash their hands of us?? Leave us to it??

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GillDeCosemo 21:00 @familysimpson Hopefully #EBacc won't stifle her curric reforms &

schools pledge to vocational subjects!! #ukedchat

bucharesttutor 21:00 RT @Nevagonnabslim: NO #ukedchat

mattbuxton10 21:00@Reteach10 #ukedchat Absolutely; and a pedagogy constructed by

educators & learners, not govt & industry!! They should befollowing us!

dailydenouement 21:00 In present state, no. #ukedchat

CarterHeadteach 21:00 @Nevagonnabslim #ukedchat NO No NO

theokk 21:00 If you get a chance watch "Our live Experiment is worth more than

3,000 Textbooks" http://is.gd/s2d0fk #ukedchat #Iwasthere

Nevagonnabslim 21:00 NO #ukedchat

MattSL 21:00RT @familysimpson: #ukedchat what i don't understand is: industry

employers recommend a portfolio of work to show application of knowledge- how does EB do this

ukedchat 21:00

It's 9pm. Many thanks to our host moderator @Nevagonnabslim for

this fascinating #ukedchat this evening. The archive will be collected

in 15

ollyo2 21:00threw a few of my thoughts into the pan for my first #ukedchat but

still feel like a little baby NQT.

ollyo2 21:00threw a few of my thoughts into the pan for my first #ukedchat but

still feel like a little baby NQT.

Nevagonnabslim 21:00So can we have a final YES or NO. Is the EBacc a good thing ?

#ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 21:00So can we have a final YES or NO. Is the EBacc a good thing ?

#ukedchat

bucharesttutor 21:00 Math, ICT, Economics, PE/Drama, English, Music/Dance are most

relevant subject for S's today #ukedchat

ronggordon 21:00@cherylren It feels like I've been doing that for the last 20 years

#ukedchat

hrogerson 21:00 #ukedchat trying to be positive: what if he gave out the certificate,

but didn't put it in league tables, making #EBacc a personal choice

jackieschneider 21:01#UKEdChat - will cooking in sec schools be dropped?

Hero_project 21:01NOOOOO! #ukedchat @nevagonnabeslim thanks for facilitating

enjoyed it!

BAFDiploma 21:01@Totallywired77 @Nevagonnabslim I really hope that was sarcasm!

#ukedchat

Reteach10 21:01RT @Nevagonnabslim NO #ukedchat No No No (re teacher... always

clearly going to be against)

familysimpson 21:01RT @briankotts: College Students Multitask During Lectures

http://bit.ly/hdo1x2 /via @thedailystat Shocked! #edchat#ukedchat #edtech #highered

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theokk 21:01 @Totallywired77 yes agree - but we need to map it out - not

everyones interest can equal? #ukedchat

tonycassidy 21:01

EBacc puts ofsted in an interesting position- curriculum rated

outstanding, meeting the needs of their students, now not?

#ukedchat

mushychelle 21:01 @Nevagonnabslim no! #ukedchat




#ukedchat

BAFDiploma 21:01 @theokk Who are schools serving? Should be Pupils. Think for some

it's League tables though. #ukedchat

Totallywired77 21:01 @Nevagonnabslim #Ukedchat you don't need an ICT lesson to teach

ICT it can be embedded in EVERY subject

hrogerson 21:01 @Nevagonnabslim NO NO NO NO NO #ukedchat Can I vote 5times!

TeacherTalks 21:01 RT MattSL #ukedchat Caxton says "politicians are between

irrelevant and irritating" >>completely wrong to say 'irrelevant'

Smichael920 21:01RT @MattSL: #ukedchat we need to educate students for jobs that


don't exist anymore

chris_1974 21:01@Nevagonnabslim *No*. Too one size fits all. #ukedchat

petemona 21:01 @theokk to me that's an easy one the interest we should have are

the kids - prob is the govt dont see that #ukedchat

jackieschneider 21:01 @dailydenouement @tonycassidy - me too! Appalled at schools put

their interests above needs of kids. #ukedchat

bucharesttutor 21:01 @Nevagonnabslim NO #ukedchat

Grevster73 21:01RT @bucharesttutor: Math, ICT, Economics, PE/Drama, English,

Music/Dance are most relevant subject for S's today #ukedchat

Science??

ukedchat 21:01Please join @janwebb21 next week at 8pm for #ukedchat The poll

will be released shortly.

MattSL 21:02@Nevagonnabslim :-). Not sure we need a poll on this one

#ukedchat

CarterHeadteach 21:02 RT @CreativeEdu: Thanks @Nevagonnabslim for hosting a really

interesting #UKEdChat shame we can't fix it! #UKEdChat - DITTO!!

chris_1974 21:02 RT @CreativeEdu: Thanks @Nevagonnabslim for hosting a really

interesting #UKEdChat shame we can't fix it! #UKEdChat

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Creativeedu 21:02 Thanks @Nevagonnabslim for hosting a really interesting

#UKEdChat shame we can't fix it! #UKEdChat


RT @Nevagonnabslim: Thank you to all who contributed, I have

really enjoyed this discussion. Now off to start a revolution!

#ukedchat

jackieschneider 21:02RT @BAFDiploma: The trouble is that there are many leaders that

will lack the self-confidence to resit this window-dressing. Students

will suffer. #ukedchat

jennitonic80 21:02 #UKEdChat no!

EnterpriseIain 21:02

To what extent is education being driven entirely by the demands of

Universities? #ukedchat Have entry requirements become the new

gods?

CarterHeadteach 21:02@KristianStill #ukedchat Hi Kristian do you have a link...?

Grevster73 21:02 RT @theokk: @Totallywired77 yes agree - but we need to map it

out - not everyones interest can equal? #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 21:02 Thank you to all who contributed, I have really enjoyed this

discussion. Now off to start a revolution! #ukedchat

Suze01 21:02Having been *encouraged* to be Academy (backed into corner)

schools may feel need to encourage EBacc combo to keep league

ratings #ukedchat

Reteach10 21:02RT @mattbuxton10: @Reteach10 #ukedchat Absolutely; and a

pedagogy constructed by educators & learners, not govt &

industry!! They should be following us!

MattSL 21:02

@hrogerson well it should be personal choice, but as it WILL be in

league tables many schs will take choice away from the students

#ukedchat

familysimpson 21:03 @Creativeedu #ukedchat snap #bravenewworld

Nevagonnabslim 21:03RT @theokk: @BAFDiploma if you don't agree you need to do

something about it #ukedchat

BAFDiploma 21:03

@Nevagonnabslim You don't have to, just reinvent the wheel

#ukedchat

mattbuxton10 21:03

@Nevagonnabslim @Totallywired77 #ukedchat I teach history using

ICT and thinking skills!! Kids remember as formed own opinions,

analysed etc

Nevagonnabslim 21:03 @MattSL LOL #ukedchat

Arakwai 21:03@Nevagonnabslim NO!! 'Dear Mr Gove...' http://j.mp/fkT51I

theokk 21:03@BAFDiploma if you don't agree you need to do something about

it #ukedchat

familysimpson 21:03

@Reteach10 #ukedchat a quick glance at the jobs list up here

suggest domestic studies top office ones, but would be a definitedumbing down

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tonycassidy 21:03

I've contacted Tesco about sponsoring a free 'value range 'school,

you're all welcome to come and work for me- we'll do the TESbac

#ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 21:03 @jackieschneider not part of the EBacc but not dropped. But less

importance if EBacc stays #ukedchat

doc_gnome 21:04@MattSL: @hrogerson well it should be personal choice, but as itWILL be in league tables many schs will take choice away #ukedchat

> agreed

mosquitomax 21:04RT @squiggle7: one last push for Teachmeet Midlands this

Saturday, lots of great presentations planned & fab prizes

http://bit.ly/tmm11 #tmm11 #ukedchat

ianaddison 21:04 RT @chris_1974: Am wondering if any MP's (@edvaizey,

@duncanhames?) ever lurk on #ukedchat. They should> Or Gove??

Nevagonnabslim 21:04 RT @chris_1974: Am wondering if any MP's (@edvaizey,

@duncanhames?) ever lurk on #ukedchat. They should

squiggle7 21:04

one last push for Teachmeet Midlands this Saturday, lots of great

presentations planned & fab prizes http://bit.ly/tmm11 #tmm11

#ukedchat

Reteach10 21:04



#ukedchat

chris_1974 21:04 Am wondering if any MP's (@edvaizey, @duncanhames?) ever lurk

on #ukedchat. They should

theokk 21:05@Nevagonnabslim thanks for hosting! #ukedchat

Baggiepr 21:05RT @squiggle7: one last push for Teachmeet Midlands this



Totallywired77 21:05RT @tonycassidy: I've contacted Tesco about sponsoring a free

'value range 'school, you're all welcome to come and work for me-

we'll do the TESbac #ukedchat

GillDeCosemo 21:05@Nevagonnabslim Great #ukedchat host, well done!

Totallywired77 21:05RT @MattSL: @Nevagonnabslim :-). Not sure we need a poll on this

one #ukedchat

familysimpson 21:05RT @Nevagonnabslim: @BAFDiploma:Errr, could bias be a reason

for the lack of press coverage? Also Nothing in Express as Princess

Di not involved #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 21:05 @ianaddison Gove would be terrified to meet a teacher he wasntpaying to speak for him even in the virtual world #ukedchat

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cherylren 21:05 @ronggordon Yes. Perhaps one day we'll all just refuse to jump

through any more hoops #ukedchat - Really, really free schools : )

CarterHeadteach 21:05RT @Nevagonnabslim: RT @chris_1974: Am wondering if any MP's

(@edvaizey, @duncanhames?) ever lurk on #ukedchat. They should

@andyburnhammp

familysimpson 21:05@GillDeCosemo #ukedchat aha. gotcha. but son3 happy with other

subjects being restricted?

Creativeedu 21:05 On a different note... anyone done something inspiring at school -

I'd love to feature it on my blog... #UKEdChat

jackieschneider 21:05@Nevagonnabslim - but if DT is dropped from NC will that stop

schools doing it? #ukedchat

MattSL 21:06@Nevagonnabslim thank you for hosting #ukedchat. Nice job

Suze01 21:06RT @Arakwai: #Ukedchat Impossible to explain my thoughts on

#Gove #EBacc & my Yr9's in 140 characters. Blogged a few weeks

ago here http://j.mp/fkT51Iâ€

Nevagonnabslim 21:06 Try again. Gove would be terrified to meet a teacher he wasnt

paying to speak for him. Even in the virtual world. #ukedchat

familysimpson 21:06#ukedchat wow what a fascinating discussion! thanks

@Nevagonnabslim for hosting!

Creativeedu 21:06@Shaf_Hansraj @teachertalks I'm in! Let's start NIPE! #UKEdChat

Totallywired77 21:06 @tonycassidy every little helps #ukedchat

jackieschneider 21:06 @jennitonic80 - I am worried DT is coming out of national

curriculum so will no longer be compulsory #ukedchat

Grevster73 21:07RT @MattSL: @Nevagonnabslim thank you for hosting #ukedchat.

Nice job < agreed! v good

Reteach10 21:07RT @theokk: @Nevagonnabslim thanks for hosting! #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 21:07hey i love the idea of a tesco value shop but what about the peoples

supermarket :( #ukedchat

helendaykin 21:07RT @squiggle7: one last push for Teachmeet Midlands this



familysimpson 21:07



#ukedchat

hrogerson 21:07 @Nevagonnabslim thanks for the #ukedchat

todayilike 21:08 RT @ukedchat: Please join @janwebb21 next week at 8pm for

#ukedchat The poll will be released shortly.

Nevagonnabslim 21:08Can I just summarise by saying. NOone likes it ! #ukedchat

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familysimpson 21:08RT @squiggle7: one last push for Teachmeet Midlands this



Reteach10 21:08RT @Creativeedu: @Shaf_Hansraj @teachertalks I'm in! Let's start

NIPE! #UKEdChat

familysimpson 21:08@tonycassidy #ukedchat surely the CASbac? #chipandpin

mosquitomax 21:08 @Nevagonnabslim Thanks for a great #ukedchat this eve. Not sure

Gove would know how to get online...

gone2fargirl 21:08 RT @Creativeedu: On a different note... anyone done something

inspiring at school - I'd love to feature it on my blog... #UKEdChat

familysimpson 21:09RT @Nevagonnabslim: Can I just summarise by saying. NOone likes

it ! #ukedchat < Yes!

ClaireJoanne35 21:09@Nevagonnabslim lol! quickest hour of week! #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 21:09 @mushychelle LOL ya cant be serious #ukedchat

AntHeald 21:09

Glad I've been listening to the superb musical performances at the

#McAuley school concert, rather than getting depressed at

#ukedchat

mosquitomax 21:09RT @Nevagonnabslim: Can I just summarise by saying. NOone likes

it ! #ukedchat

TeacherTalks 21:09 In case you #ukedchat haven't had the pleasure, here's my poem

for Michael Gove: http://wp.me/pVuKt-4V Please RT

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