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179 The Magazine of TheTrident & Rocket Three

Owners Club

April/May

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out to the teeth you will see that the linescut through the teeth in different places.This is how we adjust the valve lift.Following is an article which goes intogreater detail and following that is aHaynes manual type words and picturesfrom Richard Darby who just happened tobe rebuilding JohnYoung’s engine, so manythanks to him for that and to John forproviding the engine!Richard does use a dial gauge to find TDCwhereas I prefer a degree disc howeverthe theory remains the same that themost accurate postioning of TDC is halfway between the same measured distance

down the bore before and after TDC.The big advantage of Richardsmethod is that you can check thetiming without removing the timingcover!You just establish TDC then measurethe valve lift.

And so on to a more detaileddescription.

I went on a management course once, itdidn’t do much good and I work for myselfnow! I did however learn one thing andthat is; if you want to get a message across,you tell ‘em what you are going to tell ‘em,tell ‘em, then tell ‘em what you’ve told ‘em!It appears to work so I’m going to try itwith cam timing.In the simplest terms, you measure thevalve lift at top dead centre. If it is notsomewhere close to 150thou then youremove the cam wheel for the cam youare working on and replace it in theposition that gives you the figure closest tothat.

Somewhere around here Dave will haveinserted a photo of a cam wheel that hasbeen divided into three to illustrate thedifferent positions. If you look along thelines through the centre of the keyways

Triple cam timing Pete Churchill

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Timing TripleCams.Why?We know that someTriples are fast andsome not so, I am talking about standardones here but the following still applies.If you fit some cams made by amanufacturer other than BSA or Triumph,then you must follow their settings.By ‘fast’ I mean responsive, crisp andsounding right!Ignition timing and carburation obviouslyplay major parts in this but I am assumingyou have the latest in electronic ignition orset your points up perfectly and that yourcarbs are spot on and therefore arelooking to your cams for that bit extra.It is part of Triumph lore now that theT160 was detuned slightly to assist withemission controls in the USA and thiswas done by retarding the inlet camslightly.Well I can vouch for the fact thatmy brother’s T160 was a lot slower thanmy T150, which peed him off no endbecause I had bought the 150 from him!But that was in ’76 ’77 when we didn’tplay around with the engines too muchand just rode what we had. Also we usedthem to get to work so couldn’t afford forthem to be off road for any reason.These days though we have the time andknowledge to make them work as theyshould do.My problem is to try to explain the job interms that don’t send you to sleep yet

make you realise that it is within yourmechanical skills.

It is possible to check the openings withoutdisturbing the timing cover and ignition.However, in order to adjust the cam timing, itshould be noted that the timing cover andtherefore ignition as well, will have to beremoved.First of all, let’s see what you will require interms of tools and equipment.Two dial gauges, at least one of which mustbe imperial.This one is to measure theamount that a valve is open, the second is forfinding Top Dead Centre (TDC).A bracket to mount one dial gauge (imperial)off the extended head bolt so that theplunger can be mounted to sit in line withthe valve stem on the flat part of the valvecollar. If necessary, an extension to theplunger must be used.A bracket, or a plug TDC tool, to mount thesecond dial gauge onto the piston. Again, ifnecessary, an extension to the plunger mustbe used.The correct cam pinion removal tool for yourengine.

Preferred MethodI am only going to describe one methodhere to keep things simple.There are acouple of ways but I find this the easiestand it was the preferred method in thecompetition department of Meriden andother well knownTriumph tuners. It is the

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‘valve lift at TDC method’.

Finding TDCThe most accurate way of finding TopDead Centre is not to go looking for it!By this I mean that if you put a dial gaugeon top of the piston and a degree disc onthe crank; when you are closest to TDCthe dial gauge will not move, or moveinfinitesimally (I used spellcheck for thatone!) for quite a large movement in thedegree disc. So what we do is wind thecrank backwards before TDC until the dialgauge reads 20 thou, 25 thou, anything, itdoesn’t matter ; read off the degrees onthe degree disc.Then wind the crankforwards beyond TDC until the dial gaugereads exactly the same as the figure youchose before, then read off the figure onthe degree disc.TDC is exactly half waybetween the 2 figures you read on yourdegree disc.To clarify that point if your degree discpointed at zero, one inch before TDC, thenninety, one inch after,TDC will be at forty-five.Now when you move the crank to TDCyou can ‘zero’ your degree disc; in myexample, move the crank to forty-five thenwithout moving the crank, move the discto zero.Then check your efforts by goingthrough the process again!If you didn’t follow that bit then pack yourtools away and go for a ride instead.Thensave up to pay someone else to do it!

Set-upFirstly, set your valve clearances to zero onnumber 1 or timing side cylinder. It is

preferable to remove the locknuts as well –this makes it easier to locate the dial gaugeplunger onto the valve spring collar.Thenrotate the motor until all the standard markson the pinions line up correctly (it’s just easierto start from this point).At this moment, because it is importantnot to move the engine accidentally whenworking on it, you can slacken the camshaftretaining nuts so that they are easier toremove should you need to do so.If you have a spare or old crankshaft timingpinion, this can be used between theintermediate and camshaft pinions to lockthem up.Now rotate the engine forward until you findapprox TDC on the TS cylinder, when theexhaust valve is just closing and the inletvalve is just opening. Now you can fit yourdial gauge to locate accurately TDC, asdescribed above.Next you need to fix your imperial (notmetric) dial gauge, over the inlet valve,so that the pointer moves freely in exactlythe same direction as the valve, the easiestplace to measure from is the flat part ofthe spring collar.Take some time over thisand ensure that the gauge is zeroed andthat the needle is does not skid about onthe valve spring collar.When you are happy with this rotate yourengine backwards (anti clockwise), until thevalve is closed.You can now read off thefigure on the dial gauge which will tell you byhow much the valve was open.The figure thatwe are looking for is between 0.140”-0.150”. If it is less than 0.136” thenTriumph designed in some adjustment inthe form of 3 keyway positions.This meansthat each keyway is 1/3rd of a toothdifferent. Return the motor to the pointwhere all the marks line up, count 17 teeth

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anti clockwise on your cam pinion and markthe new position (Tippex is good).Carefully remove the cam wheel andreplace it using the keyway that is closestto the new mark and recheck.If necessary, re-adjust by again counting 17teeth ant-clockwise, remove and refit thepinion.You may not achieve exactly this figure andif you can’t you should aim for a lowerfigure than 0.150” to be on the safe side.A rough calculation of 0.018” for each 1/3tooth can be used to add to your originalmeasure to give an idea of by how much toadjust the pinion. Should you wish, you cancentre punch a mark on the pinion for futurereference.All you have to do now is the same on theexhaust side but this time wind the engineforwards or clockwise. After tightening upthe cam wheel nuts, double check bothvalves then reset the valve clearances to 8

and 10 thou, yes I know the manual says 6and 8 but it should be well known by nowthat 8 and 10 are the preferred settings –

Doug Hele told us so in one of his memos!ConclusionWhen you start your engine the first timeafter doing this, you should hear a deeper,crisper exhaust note, then you will feel thebike pulling harder with a greaterwillingness to rev, there are NO tradeoffs!It goes without saying that the bike will bequicker but it also means that you caneasily pull a higher gear and achievegreater fuel economy: my old bike had a19 tooth front and 46 back sprocket,would cruise all day at 80/85mph (andoften did) yet return 50mpg.This job is not hard but takes time; thedots are for economic assembly on theproduction line but best performance isachieved with a bit more effort. If whenattempting this you are unsure ofsomething, give me a ring and I will try tohelp out:I made a couple of phone calls the firsttime I tried it and must have checked adozen times before I dared start the bike!

Much of this information can also be found inthe excellent article on rebuilding a Triplemotor by the late Jack Shemans, whichappeared in “Classic Mechanics”, April/May1986.

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Picture 1

Picture 2Shows first dial gauge set up on piston to find TDC, with both valves on the overlap.Thisdoes not need to be zeroed.The second dial gauge has been set up with the tip of its plunger set onto the “flat” of thevalve retaining collar, as close to and in line with the valve stem.This has been zeroed sothat when the motor is rotated in reverse direction (for the inlet cam) and the valve

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which will give us 0.150”.We now know by how much to adjust the cam pinion.Picture 4Rotate the motor forwards again until the std marks are again in alignment. Now count

Picture 3Looking at dial gauge two (on the valve collar) we can see that now that the valve isclosed, the amount it was open was 0.132”.We are looking for as close to 0.150” as beingthe optimum. For a rough calculation we add 0.018” for altering the timing by 1/3 tooth

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new mark) on the pinion is used – the cam remains static. It may be necessary to turnthe crank slightly whilst fitting the pinion to allow the keyway to be lined up correctly withits camshaft key.Picture 6

17 teeth anti-clockwise and mark that position.

Picture 5Now remove the cam pinion from the cam using the appropriate extractor and refit it tothe cam so that the “new” mark on the cam pinion aligns with the std mark on theintermediate pinion. In order to do this, it means that a different keyway (nearest to the

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TDC with both valves open is again located and the dial gauge on the cam reset to zero.

Picture 7The motor is again rotated in anti-clockwise direction (for inlet cam) until the valvecloses.The reading we now have on this motor is 0.148” – absolutely perfect.

The same exercise can now be carried out on the exhaust cam, only remember, this timewe are going to rotate the motor clockwise in order to close the valve. If it is requiredto increase the valve opening, you must also count 17 teeth clockwise for each 1/3tooth. On this motor in the example, the exhaust cam was spot on at 0.150”.For road machines, checking on one cylinder only is sufficient. For competition motorsusing high lift cams and high domed pistons, valve to piston clearance must be checked onall cylinders as must cam timing be checked on all cylinders.

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