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2 UITITED STATES OF A 13RICA

3 EWIRO1JIZIITAL PRUTECTION AGENCY

4 BOSTON REGIOl-J

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6 SDMS DocID 295002

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PUBLIC MEETING haid pursuant to Notice at tha 8

George Edward Levis ienorial Builditici 9

250 Boston Road Billerica Massachusetts

10 on VTednesday June 23 1988 ccnmencing

11 1 at 740 oclock pm

RE TO RECEIVE PUBLIC COMIiENTS ON THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND PROPOSED PLAN 13 i FOP TiiS LAGOON AP EA AT THE IRON HORpound i

j PARK SUPERFUND SITE 14 I

15 BEFORE Margaret Leshen EPA Superfund Chief

16 John Gallagher EPA Remedial Project Manager

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June 23 1983 20

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INDEX

SPEAKER PAGE

J e h n G a l l a g h e r 4

D a v i d J o h n s o n 6

H e l e n K n i g h t 7

R a l p h B a c o n 8

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10

12 Ii

13 I

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16 l I

17 i

18 I

19 i

20 I I i

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PROCEEDINGS

740 PI

CHAIRJL^N Good evening and velcone In bullbullarcaret

Leshen from the Environmental Protection Agency and In

inspection chief there And with me is John Gallacher

6 the project nianager for the Iron Horse Park site

7 Before we get started Im going to explain about this

8 II meeting This is an informal public hearing on the proposed i

9 I plan and feasibility stud y for the site that was released li

l 10 Jl to you right before the other public meeting and it vrent

i l bdquo into the public record on Jiine 9th Just so you know | il This meeting is for you to give us comments on the

12 l|

13 ] document Ve ask that you fill out a card located at the

i front desk and Margaret Barrett our contractor if you

14 i

i havent done it and vrant to make a comment will give you a 15 I

16 i card and then she will bring it up il

17 |- If at any point during the hearing you want to make

18 ii a comment just miotion to Kargaret and she will get you a

I 19 I card Just so you know

I Also at the front desk we have some agendas and some

20

fact sheets if anyone needs them Just so you knovi 21

Well be breaking the meeting up into three parts 22

tonight First we are going to have John Gallagher rake 23

a very short presentation about the proposed plan and the 24

feasibility study because we did to into a lot of detail 25

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1 at our last meeting Then were going to open up the

2 I hearinc for you to give us vour comments And then we I

3 will close the hearing and allow you to ask informal

4 i questions that we will respond to

Any questions or comments that you make tonight will 5 be responded to in a responsiveness summary that will be

7 attached to the decision document that EPA writes and

8 i that will be sometimie later this sumjrer And your comments i

9 i and our responses to them will be available for vou to see i

10 j w i t h t h a t documient so y o u l l know how t h i s v i l l vork

11 B e s i d e s t h e h e a r i n g t o n i g h t you can send i n w r i t t e n

12 comments t o John by J u l y 9 t h and h i s a d d r e s s i s on t h e I

13 f a c t s h e e t And you can send them a t any timic dur ing t h a t j It I

p e r i o d t o him i i

Does anyone have any questions on how this is going 5 ||

i to be run i16 i

i Im going to let John make a short presentation about j 17

i

the proposed plan now I18 II i

MR GALLAGHER EPAs proposed plan for the clean up | 19 ii I of the lagoons is first to stop the discharge to the

20

lagoons next to treat any contaminated soils and sludges 21

by bio-remediation And then finally to decontaminate any 22

of the pipes and pumps that vere used for the lagoon 23

system 24

vie expect that the discharge to the lagoons will be 25

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INDEX

SPEAKER PAGE

J e h n G a l l a g h e r 4

D a v i d J o h n s o n 6

H e l e n K n i g h t 7

R a l p h B a c o n 8

8

9

10

12 Ii

13 I

14

15

16 l I

17 i

18 I

19 i

20 I I i

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740 PI

CHAIRJL^N Good evening and velcone In bullbullarcaret

Leshen from the Environmental Protection Agency and In

inspection chief there And with me is John Gallacher

6 the project nianager for the Iron Horse Park site

7 Before we get started Im going to explain about this

8 II meeting This is an informal public hearing on the proposed i

9 I plan and feasibility stud y for the site that was released li

l 10 Jl to you right before the other public meeting and it vrent

i l bdquo into the public record on Jiine 9th Just so you know | il This meeting is for you to give us comments on the

12 l|

13 ] document Ve ask that you fill out a card located at the

i front desk and Margaret Barrett our contractor if you

14 i

i havent done it and vrant to make a comment will give you a 15 I

16 i card and then she will bring it up il

17 |- If at any point during the hearing you want to make

18 ii a comment just miotion to Kargaret and she will get you a

I 19 I card Just so you know

I Also at the front desk we have some agendas and some

20

fact sheets if anyone needs them Just so you knovi 21

Well be breaking the meeting up into three parts 22

tonight First we are going to have John Gallagher rake 23

a very short presentation about the proposed plan and the 24

feasibility study because we did to into a lot of detail 25

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1 at our last meeting Then were going to open up the

2 I hearinc for you to give us vour comments And then we I

3 will close the hearing and allow you to ask informal

4 i questions that we will respond to

Any questions or comments that you make tonight will 5 be responded to in a responsiveness summary that will be

7 attached to the decision document that EPA writes and

8 i that will be sometimie later this sumjrer And your comments i

9 i and our responses to them will be available for vou to see i

10 j w i t h t h a t documient so y o u l l know how t h i s v i l l vork

11 B e s i d e s t h e h e a r i n g t o n i g h t you can send i n w r i t t e n

12 comments t o John by J u l y 9 t h and h i s a d d r e s s i s on t h e I

13 f a c t s h e e t And you can send them a t any timic dur ing t h a t j It I

p e r i o d t o him i i

Does anyone have any questions on how this is going 5 ||

i to be run i16 i

i Im going to let John make a short presentation about j 17

i

the proposed plan now I18 II i

MR GALLAGHER EPAs proposed plan for the clean up | 19 ii I of the lagoons is first to stop the discharge to the

20

lagoons next to treat any contaminated soils and sludges 21

by bio-remediation And then finally to decontaminate any 22

of the pipes and pumps that vere used for the lagoon 23

system 24

vie expect that the discharge to the lagoons will be 25

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740 PI

CHAIRJL^N Good evening and velcone In bullbullarcaret

Leshen from the Environmental Protection Agency and In

inspection chief there And with me is John Gallacher

6 the project nianager for the Iron Horse Park site

7 Before we get started Im going to explain about this

8 II meeting This is an informal public hearing on the proposed i

9 I plan and feasibility stud y for the site that was released li

l 10 Jl to you right before the other public meeting and it vrent

i l bdquo into the public record on Jiine 9th Just so you know | il This meeting is for you to give us comments on the

12 l|

13 ] document Ve ask that you fill out a card located at the

i front desk and Margaret Barrett our contractor if you

14 i

i havent done it and vrant to make a comment will give you a 15 I

16 i card and then she will bring it up il

17 |- If at any point during the hearing you want to make

18 ii a comment just miotion to Kargaret and she will get you a

I 19 I card Just so you know

I Also at the front desk we have some agendas and some

20

fact sheets if anyone needs them Just so you knovi 21

Well be breaking the meeting up into three parts 22

tonight First we are going to have John Gallagher rake 23

a very short presentation about the proposed plan and the 24

feasibility study because we did to into a lot of detail 25

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1 at our last meeting Then were going to open up the

2 I hearinc for you to give us vour comments And then we I

3 will close the hearing and allow you to ask informal

4 i questions that we will respond to

Any questions or comments that you make tonight will 5 be responded to in a responsiveness summary that will be

7 attached to the decision document that EPA writes and

8 i that will be sometimie later this sumjrer And your comments i

9 i and our responses to them will be available for vou to see i

10 j w i t h t h a t documient so y o u l l know how t h i s v i l l vork

11 B e s i d e s t h e h e a r i n g t o n i g h t you can send i n w r i t t e n

12 comments t o John by J u l y 9 t h and h i s a d d r e s s i s on t h e I

13 f a c t s h e e t And you can send them a t any timic dur ing t h a t j It I

p e r i o d t o him i i

Does anyone have any questions on how this is going 5 ||

i to be run i16 i

i Im going to let John make a short presentation about j 17

i

the proposed plan now I18 II i

MR GALLAGHER EPAs proposed plan for the clean up | 19 ii I of the lagoons is first to stop the discharge to the

20

lagoons next to treat any contaminated soils and sludges 21

by bio-remediation And then finally to decontaminate any 22

of the pipes and pumps that vere used for the lagoon 23

system 24

vie expect that the discharge to the lagoons will be 25

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1 at our last meeting Then were going to open up the

2 I hearinc for you to give us vour comments And then we I

3 will close the hearing and allow you to ask informal

4 i questions that we will respond to

Any questions or comments that you make tonight will 5 be responded to in a responsiveness summary that will be

7 attached to the decision document that EPA writes and

8 i that will be sometimie later this sumjrer And your comments i

9 i and our responses to them will be available for vou to see i

10 j w i t h t h a t documient so y o u l l know how t h i s v i l l vork

11 B e s i d e s t h e h e a r i n g t o n i g h t you can send i n w r i t t e n

12 comments t o John by J u l y 9 t h and h i s a d d r e s s i s on t h e I

13 f a c t s h e e t And you can send them a t any timic dur ing t h a t j It I

p e r i o d t o him i i

Does anyone have any questions on how this is going 5 ||

i to be run i16 i

i Im going to let John make a short presentation about j 17

i

the proposed plan now I18 II i

MR GALLAGHER EPAs proposed plan for the clean up | 19 ii I of the lagoons is first to stop the discharge to the

20

lagoons next to treat any contaminated soils and sludges 21

by bio-remediation And then finally to decontaminate any 22

of the pipes and pumps that vere used for the lagoon 23

system 24

vie expect that the discharge to the lagoons will be 25

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Stopped in accordance with an order thats in place right

now from DSOE And that calls for the discharge do the

lagoons to be stopped by the end of the year

The bioremediation is a treatment process that uses

naturally occurring mdcro-organisms to break down the

6 contaminants in the waste and these are primarily petroleum

7 hydrocarbons The natural action of the microbes is

ij enhanced by adding water nutrients and oxygen And the8 il

j

I process is very similar to comiposting vhich people may be 9 i

a little more familiar vith1 0

1

11 At Iron Horse Park what weve proposed to do is to

2 I clear a five acre area and place a liner on it and then

onto the liner put the contaminaced soils and sludces from1 3 i j

the lagoons and pile it to a depth of about three feet1 4 I

I The bioremediation is effective in only the top layer15 I

16 of the soil or more effective in only the top layer of the

soil where tilling can introduce oxygen So to achieve^ i the clean up what we propose to do is each spring is to

18 i

19 till the top layer of soil six to nine inches to

20 introduce oxygen and there to get the bioremieidiation

21 going And also to add nutrients and water

We would treat the waste each year remove the top22

layer that had been bioremediated and then treat the23

subsequent layer belov it the following year This will be24

done each vear for five years until all the wastes were 25

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managed

2 The bioremediation process permanently reduces the

3 contaminants that are in the vaste and also results in a

protective clean up In addition to the bioremediation4

for the soils and sludges we also considered six other

alternatives in our feasibility study6

Those six other alternatives included doing nothing7

at the site no action closing the lagoons with a permeable8

soil cap closing the lagoons with an impermeable plastic9 I

lined cap stabilizing the waste prior to closing it I

10 j siting an on-site incinerator and burning the waste 1 1

materials and finally disposing of all of the vaste in an 12 II

r off-side hazardous waste landfill 13 II

ii i

So in addition to the bioremediation our preferred

14 alternative we also encourage you to comjnent on any of the

15 other alternatives that we did considerA jl Okay thats all I have

i CHiIRLA27 Thanks wTohn And Id also like to

1 8 ii introduce before we take comjnents from you Dodie Brownlee

19 from the state and Bob Bois from the state

20 Our first commenter Id like to call and you do have

21 to come up to the front and speak into the reccrder

22 microphone is David L Johnson

23 MR JOHNSON Okay I looked over the plan and I

24 found it to be ouite adeauate as far as I vas concerned

25

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1 except for one of the people well address The only major

2 problem I saw is that I didnt see any requirement for i

3 i bonding in there should the proponent there decide to do

4 I the work himself And I fell that full bonding should be

I

5 j provided by that person and at no tim^e until comipletion

of the project should more than 50 percent of that bonding

7 i be reduced the requirement for more than 50 percent of I

g j the bonding be reduced

9 i That I feel vill allow us to be able to continue i

any operation that they had started but were unable to 10

( complete and would not delay the overall process 11

il il unnecessarily

^2 I That was my comment on it 1 3 jl

ii CHAIPiLAN Thank you very much

14 I

i v7ould anyone else like to make a formal comment 15

Helen Knight why dont you c o m e f o r w a r d a n d we c a n do 16 Ii

| i || the card afterwards

17 Ii MS KNIGHT Im speaking on my favorite subject

18 |i

security and maintenance 19 ii

Ii i While I realize this is a very large site the

20

pictures that you see at the back here vrere taken on 21

Tuesday of this week TTe walked in from the street 22

Admittedly the gate was closed but theres a path around 23

the side of the gate We did not meet anyone in there 24

although this is a working day 25

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1 The place is sort of a playground for horses riders

2 off road vehicles of various kinds I have myself seen

3 people riding over the asbestos landfill with off road

4 vehicles Im questioning whats going to happen to a five

acre site that is sort of a compost heap if there is no

6 more security than there is at the moment

7 Im afraid that fences are not going to be the answer

8 i to this thing I think someone has to require some personne

9 to be on the site to protect this It seems to me that this

10 will be a complete vaste of time ef for t and money if

11 vehicles are riding all ove i the place and spraying this

M everywhere and treating it the same vay they seem to be

13 treating other things

14 So I do think this is a question that needs to be

15 seriously addressed KOVT will the site be maintained

i 16 If were talking about five years I am afraid the companies

il 17 involved Flight have to be forced to have sore kind of

18 personnel on site It should not be the responsibility of

19 the town to provide the people to protect that since we

did not ourselves create this situation And I believe 20

this is for the protection of both the land and the 21

citizens 22

CKAIP^L^N Thank you Could you state your name 23

VS KNIGKT Helen Knight 24

CHAIPJ AN Next I would like to call Raloh P Bacon 25

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I R BACON I didntbring any written comments

2 prepared I expected mcst people vould be addressing the

3 i questions I had in my mind I thought for the most part the

4 document that we had was reasonably thorough but there are

tv70 things that I see that werent really addressed in

detail

One is how are you going to dispose and maneuver or i il

manipulate the bottom^ layer when you come to it without 8 II I

i the risk of puncturing the impervious memibrane which 9 i

I I you are going to have at the bottom from the practical

1 0 I I standpoint Are you going to roll the thing back like you

1 1 ii

i do the wax paper in bread dough or something like that

12 What are you going to do you know 1 3 i

Also its been our experience that the incident A

rainfall isnt alvays at the same times vhen the evaporation 15

is such that you would have a balance In a years timie 16

we about balance it out but theres usually some run off 17

Now in this site I dont knov whether youre going to try 18

and capture it at the bottom of the impervious membrane anc 19

treat it or just how that is going to be handled 20

Im not familiar enough on the site to say that I 21

would caution you that while youre working on this site 22

youre aoing to be disturbing some other site and that 23

ought to be given some thought Again Im not sure vhat

you are prepared to use for roadways and how much it is 25

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managed

2 The bioremediation process permanently reduces the

3 contaminants that are in the vaste and also results in a

protective clean up In addition to the bioremediation4

for the soils and sludges we also considered six other

alternatives in our feasibility study6

Those six other alternatives included doing nothing7

at the site no action closing the lagoons with a permeable8

soil cap closing the lagoons with an impermeable plastic9 I

lined cap stabilizing the waste prior to closing it I

10 j siting an on-site incinerator and burning the waste 1 1

materials and finally disposing of all of the vaste in an 12 II

r off-side hazardous waste landfill 13 II

ii i

So in addition to the bioremediation our preferred

14 alternative we also encourage you to comjnent on any of the

15 other alternatives that we did considerA jl Okay thats all I have

i CHiIRLA27 Thanks wTohn And Id also like to

1 8 ii introduce before we take comjnents from you Dodie Brownlee

19 from the state and Bob Bois from the state

20 Our first commenter Id like to call and you do have

21 to come up to the front and speak into the reccrder

22 microphone is David L Johnson

23 MR JOHNSON Okay I looked over the plan and I

24 found it to be ouite adeauate as far as I vas concerned

25

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1 except for one of the people well address The only major

2 problem I saw is that I didnt see any requirement for i

3 i bonding in there should the proponent there decide to do

4 I the work himself And I fell that full bonding should be

I

5 j provided by that person and at no tim^e until comipletion

of the project should more than 50 percent of that bonding

7 i be reduced the requirement for more than 50 percent of I

g j the bonding be reduced

9 i That I feel vill allow us to be able to continue i

any operation that they had started but were unable to 10

( complete and would not delay the overall process 11

il il unnecessarily

^2 I That was my comment on it 1 3 jl

ii CHAIPiLAN Thank you very much

14 I

i v7ould anyone else like to make a formal comment 15

Helen Knight why dont you c o m e f o r w a r d a n d we c a n do 16 Ii

| i || the card afterwards

17 Ii MS KNIGHT Im speaking on my favorite subject

18 |i

security and maintenance 19 ii

Ii i While I realize this is a very large site the

20

pictures that you see at the back here vrere taken on 21

Tuesday of this week TTe walked in from the street 22

Admittedly the gate was closed but theres a path around 23

the side of the gate We did not meet anyone in there 24

although this is a working day 25

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1 The place is sort of a playground for horses riders

2 off road vehicles of various kinds I have myself seen

3 people riding over the asbestos landfill with off road

4 vehicles Im questioning whats going to happen to a five

acre site that is sort of a compost heap if there is no

6 more security than there is at the moment

7 Im afraid that fences are not going to be the answer

8 i to this thing I think someone has to require some personne

9 to be on the site to protect this It seems to me that this

10 will be a complete vaste of time ef for t and money if

11 vehicles are riding all ove i the place and spraying this

M everywhere and treating it the same vay they seem to be

13 treating other things

14 So I do think this is a question that needs to be

15 seriously addressed KOVT will the site be maintained

i 16 If were talking about five years I am afraid the companies

il 17 involved Flight have to be forced to have sore kind of

18 personnel on site It should not be the responsibility of

19 the town to provide the people to protect that since we

did not ourselves create this situation And I believe 20

this is for the protection of both the land and the 21

citizens 22

CKAIP^L^N Thank you Could you state your name 23

VS KNIGKT Helen Knight 24

CHAIPJ AN Next I would like to call Raloh P Bacon 25

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I R BACON I didntbring any written comments

2 prepared I expected mcst people vould be addressing the

3 i questions I had in my mind I thought for the most part the

4 document that we had was reasonably thorough but there are

tv70 things that I see that werent really addressed in

detail

One is how are you going to dispose and maneuver or i il

manipulate the bottom^ layer when you come to it without 8 II I

i the risk of puncturing the impervious memibrane which 9 i

I I you are going to have at the bottom from the practical

1 0 I I standpoint Are you going to roll the thing back like you

1 1 ii

i do the wax paper in bread dough or something like that

12 What are you going to do you know 1 3 i

Also its been our experience that the incident A

rainfall isnt alvays at the same times vhen the evaporation 15

is such that you would have a balance In a years timie 16

we about balance it out but theres usually some run off 17

Now in this site I dont knov whether youre going to try 18

and capture it at the bottom of the impervious membrane anc 19

treat it or just how that is going to be handled 20

Im not familiar enough on the site to say that I 21

would caution you that while youre working on this site 22

youre aoing to be disturbing some other site and that 23

ought to be given some thought Again Im not sure vhat

you are prepared to use for roadways and how much it is 25

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1 except for one of the people well address The only major

2 problem I saw is that I didnt see any requirement for i

3 i bonding in there should the proponent there decide to do

4 I the work himself And I fell that full bonding should be

I

5 j provided by that person and at no tim^e until comipletion

of the project should more than 50 percent of that bonding

7 i be reduced the requirement for more than 50 percent of I

g j the bonding be reduced

9 i That I feel vill allow us to be able to continue i

any operation that they had started but were unable to 10

( complete and would not delay the overall process 11

il il unnecessarily

^2 I That was my comment on it 1 3 jl

ii CHAIPiLAN Thank you very much

14 I

i v7ould anyone else like to make a formal comment 15

Helen Knight why dont you c o m e f o r w a r d a n d we c a n do 16 Ii

| i || the card afterwards

17 Ii MS KNIGHT Im speaking on my favorite subject

18 |i

security and maintenance 19 ii

Ii i While I realize this is a very large site the

20

pictures that you see at the back here vrere taken on 21

Tuesday of this week TTe walked in from the street 22

Admittedly the gate was closed but theres a path around 23

the side of the gate We did not meet anyone in there 24

although this is a working day 25

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1 The place is sort of a playground for horses riders

2 off road vehicles of various kinds I have myself seen

3 people riding over the asbestos landfill with off road

4 vehicles Im questioning whats going to happen to a five

acre site that is sort of a compost heap if there is no

6 more security than there is at the moment

7 Im afraid that fences are not going to be the answer

8 i to this thing I think someone has to require some personne

9 to be on the site to protect this It seems to me that this

10 will be a complete vaste of time ef for t and money if

11 vehicles are riding all ove i the place and spraying this

M everywhere and treating it the same vay they seem to be

13 treating other things

14 So I do think this is a question that needs to be

15 seriously addressed KOVT will the site be maintained

i 16 If were talking about five years I am afraid the companies

il 17 involved Flight have to be forced to have sore kind of

18 personnel on site It should not be the responsibility of

19 the town to provide the people to protect that since we

did not ourselves create this situation And I believe 20

this is for the protection of both the land and the 21

citizens 22

CKAIP^L^N Thank you Could you state your name 23

VS KNIGKT Helen Knight 24

CHAIPJ AN Next I would like to call Raloh P Bacon 25

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I R BACON I didntbring any written comments

2 prepared I expected mcst people vould be addressing the

3 i questions I had in my mind I thought for the most part the

4 document that we had was reasonably thorough but there are

tv70 things that I see that werent really addressed in

detail

One is how are you going to dispose and maneuver or i il

manipulate the bottom^ layer when you come to it without 8 II I

i the risk of puncturing the impervious memibrane which 9 i

I I you are going to have at the bottom from the practical

1 0 I I standpoint Are you going to roll the thing back like you

1 1 ii

i do the wax paper in bread dough or something like that

12 What are you going to do you know 1 3 i

Also its been our experience that the incident A

rainfall isnt alvays at the same times vhen the evaporation 15

is such that you would have a balance In a years timie 16

we about balance it out but theres usually some run off 17

Now in this site I dont knov whether youre going to try 18

and capture it at the bottom of the impervious membrane anc 19

treat it or just how that is going to be handled 20

Im not familiar enough on the site to say that I 21

would caution you that while youre working on this site 22

youre aoing to be disturbing some other site and that 23

ought to be given some thought Again Im not sure vhat

you are prepared to use for roadways and how much it is 25

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8

1 The place is sort of a playground for horses riders

2 off road vehicles of various kinds I have myself seen

3 people riding over the asbestos landfill with off road

4 vehicles Im questioning whats going to happen to a five

acre site that is sort of a compost heap if there is no

6 more security than there is at the moment

7 Im afraid that fences are not going to be the answer

8 i to this thing I think someone has to require some personne

9 to be on the site to protect this It seems to me that this

10 will be a complete vaste of time ef for t and money if

11 vehicles are riding all ove i the place and spraying this

M everywhere and treating it the same vay they seem to be

13 treating other things

14 So I do think this is a question that needs to be

15 seriously addressed KOVT will the site be maintained

i 16 If were talking about five years I am afraid the companies

il 17 involved Flight have to be forced to have sore kind of

18 personnel on site It should not be the responsibility of

19 the town to provide the people to protect that since we

did not ourselves create this situation And I believe 20

this is for the protection of both the land and the 21

citizens 22

CKAIP^L^N Thank you Could you state your name 23

VS KNIGKT Helen Knight 24

CHAIPJ AN Next I would like to call Raloh P Bacon 25

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I R BACON I didntbring any written comments

2 prepared I expected mcst people vould be addressing the

3 i questions I had in my mind I thought for the most part the

4 document that we had was reasonably thorough but there are

tv70 things that I see that werent really addressed in

detail

One is how are you going to dispose and maneuver or i il

manipulate the bottom^ layer when you come to it without 8 II I

i the risk of puncturing the impervious memibrane which 9 i

I I you are going to have at the bottom from the practical

1 0 I I standpoint Are you going to roll the thing back like you

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i do the wax paper in bread dough or something like that

12 What are you going to do you know 1 3 i

Also its been our experience that the incident A

rainfall isnt alvays at the same times vhen the evaporation 15

is such that you would have a balance In a years timie 16

we about balance it out but theres usually some run off 17

Now in this site I dont knov whether youre going to try 18

and capture it at the bottom of the impervious membrane anc 19

treat it or just how that is going to be handled 20

Im not familiar enough on the site to say that I 21

would caution you that while youre working on this site 22

youre aoing to be disturbing some other site and that 23

ought to be given some thought Again Im not sure vhat

you are prepared to use for roadways and how much it is 25

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I R BACON I didntbring any written comments

2 prepared I expected mcst people vould be addressing the

3 i questions I had in my mind I thought for the most part the

4 document that we had was reasonably thorough but there are

tv70 things that I see that werent really addressed in

detail

One is how are you going to dispose and maneuver or i il

manipulate the bottom^ layer when you come to it without 8 II I

i the risk of puncturing the impervious memibrane which 9 i

I I you are going to have at the bottom from the practical

1 0 I I standpoint Are you going to roll the thing back like you

1 1 ii

i do the wax paper in bread dough or something like that

12 What are you going to do you know 1 3 i

Also its been our experience that the incident A

rainfall isnt alvays at the same times vhen the evaporation 15

is such that you would have a balance In a years timie 16

we about balance it out but theres usually some run off 17

Now in this site I dont knov whether youre going to try 18

and capture it at the bottom of the impervious membrane anc 19

treat it or just how that is going to be handled 20

Im not familiar enough on the site to say that I 21

would caution you that while youre working on this site 22

youre aoing to be disturbing some other site and that 23

ought to be given some thought Again Im not sure vhat

you are prepared to use for roadways and how much it is 25

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1 going to impact on the rest of the site And I have a

I 2 I perennial problem with the entire site in that you have

I 3 j artificially elevated the groundwater in that site and

I 4 I I havent seen that addressed lately I wont say you

5 people have artificially elevated it but it has through

6 the years been artificially elevated

7 To the best of my knowledge the dam is still present

8 in the canal just up from Pond Street Okay

9 I CHAIRI-AN Thank you Would anyone else like to make I

10 I a comment into the record

I 1 1 UNIDENTIFIED At this time I have a question

1 2 CHAIRIIAN At this time ve vill not be taking questicr i

for a response Were reading into the record right nov I Are people still deciding 14 j

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i CHAIF--L N You would have to comie forward right now 16 I

i I to ask a question 17

18 J MR JOHNSON Im not certain if this was addressed

19 the last time

20 CHAIRIIAN David L Johnson is coming back

21 IIR JOHNSON During our last meeting 7 had asked

about looking into how far the pollution has spread from 22

those lagoons into outside areas This did not address 23

going outside of the lagoon areas even though pollutants 24

from this have contaminated areas outside of strictly the 25

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lagoon area

2 What is going to be done to determine hov far these

3 contaminants have apread and to take care of those

4 i contaminants

UNIDENTIFIED Its hard for you to pose a question

6 j if this is not appropriate

7 I CHAIPMAN As we stated this will be responded to

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not well close the formal portion of the hearing and 11

well stay around to answer questions Basically the way 12 I

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Did anyone have any questions 15

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This is to certify that the attached proceedings

before THE EPA

in the Matter of

PUBLIC rlEETING

Place Billerica MA

Da-e 62383

were held as herein appears and that this is the true

accurate and complete transcript prepared from the notes

andor recordings taken of the above titled proceeding

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lagoon area

2 What is going to be done to determine hov far these

3 contaminants have apread and to take care of those

4 i contaminants

UNIDENTIFIED Its hard for you to pose a question

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7 I CHAIPMAN As we stated this will be responded to

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9 j decision document I

]0 Do we have any people that changed their mind If

not well close the formal portion of the hearing and 11

well stay around to answer questions Basically the way 12 I

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^^^ CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER AND TPANSCRIBER

This is to certify that the attached proceedings

before THE EPA

in the Matter of

PUBLIC rlEETING

Place Billerica MA

Da-e 62383

were held as herein appears and that this is the true

accurate and complete transcript prepared from the notes

andor recordings taken of the above titled proceeding

V Rasmus sen 62388 Reporter Date

P Sullivan 62888

Transcriber Date

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^^^ CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER AND TPANSCRIBER

This is to certify that the attached proceedings

before THE EPA

in the Matter of

PUBLIC rlEETING

Place Billerica MA

Da-e 62383

were held as herein appears and that this is the true

accurate and complete transcript prepared from the notes

andor recordings taken of the above titled proceeding

V Rasmus sen 62388 Reporter Date

P Sullivan 62888

Transcriber Date