Transcript of Innochat 2014.10.23

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Higher Education - Lower Innovation Expectations?

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IE_Innovation@IE_Innovation

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Andrew Marshall@DrewCM

5 minutes until blast off for today's #innochat

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Ken Rosen@Ken_Rosen

RT @JohnWLewis: #innochat is at NOW (9am PT), NoonET: "Higher Ed -Lower Innovation Expectations?" with @DrewCM http://t.co/Bl5X9dzHfS

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Cathryn Hrudicka@CreativeSage

RT @Ken_Rosen: RT @JohnWLewis: #innochat is at NOW (9am PT), NoonET:"Higher Ed - Lower Innovation Expectations?" with @DrewCMhttp://t.co/http://t.co/Bl5X9dzHfS

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Renee Hopkins@Renee_Hopkins

RT @Ken_Rosen: RT @JohnWLewis: #innochat is at NOW (9am PT), NoonET:"Higher Ed - Lower Innovation Expectations?" with @DrewCMhttp://t.co/http://t.co/Bl5X9dzHfS

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Greetings one & all. I trust you are fine & dandy on this delightful Thursdaymorning/afternoon/evening? Welcome to this week's #innochat

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John W Lewis@JohnWLewis

@Ken_Rosen Great to see you again, Ken. @DrewCM is in the hot seat thisweek. #innochat

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Hi @DrewCM @JohnWLewis @Ken_Rosen :) #innochat

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Cathryn Hrudicka >> http://t.co/aBqb4fi8vj > #author + #innovation + #socbizconsultant & #executive #coach — in #Berkeley CA #innochat

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Paul Ellis@PaulEllisUK

Hi all - been a while since I was able to join #innochat

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Hello to you from soggy Central NJ. Drew Marshall here, CEO w/ PrimedAssociates and focused on innovation culture #innochat

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@Renee_Hopkins @JohnWLewis @Ken_Rosen Greetings to you dear people.#innochat

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Hello, @CreativeSage @PaulEllisUK! #innochat

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@DrewCM Hello Drew. Oh what a big topic you have (chosen, this week)!#innochat

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@PaulEllisUK Good to see your shiny face. #innochat

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Good morning (PT), @Renee_Hopkins @DrewCM @JohnWLewis@Ken_Rosen @PaulEllisUK #innochat

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@JohnWLewis "Go big or go home" as my compatriots in Oz say. #innochat

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Renee Hopkins here, from Business Innovation Factory (@TheBIF) in also-soggy Providence, Rhode Island. #innochat

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Matt Recio@mattbrat1

Hi All. Matt in sunny & refreshingly cool Atlanta. Time for #innochat.

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@CreativeSage Hellooooo! [think: in the style of Mrs. Doubtfire] #innochat

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@mattbrat1 Hi! #innochat

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@DrewCM I bet it's soggier here in Devon. Cycled 3 miles each way to the villageshop earlier this afternoon and got damp! #innochat

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@Renee_Hopkins @TheBIF Hello to BIF-Central (dinner with@WandaMcClure was a delight and your presence was missed) #innochat

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Good to see you, @mattbrat1 ! #innochat

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@JohnWLewis @DrewCM Damp as in the english definition meaning soakedthrough to the skin and starting to get wrinkly skin! :) #innochat

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Hello @Renee_Hopkins @DrewCM @CreativeSage et al #innochat

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@mattbrat1 Hey Matt - it was delightful in ATL this week. I was down for acouple of days with a client. #innochat

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Ken Rosen@Ken_Rosen

Hello everyone. Ken Rosen of Performance Works--strategic consulting forCEOs and CMOs #innochat

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@PaulEllisUK @JohnWLewis I completely concur with the veracity of thatdefinition. #innochat

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@Ken_Rosen Welcome! #innochat

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I'm sorry to tell all of you damp people in the English rain, but it's beautiful andsunny here in Berkeley, California today! #innochat

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I'll retract my sunny statement so as not to irk the soggy parts of the world :)#innochat

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We will be kicking off in another couple of minutes. Just letting a few moregather... #innochat

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@PaulEllisUK Not quite that bad, but sweaty too and I did consider a quick bathbefore #innochat! @DrewCM #toomuchinfo

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@DrewCM Glad you had a chance to visit with @WandaMcClure - wish I couldhave been there too! #innochat

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Husamettin Erciyes@husamerciyes

Good morning all from San Francisco #innochat

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+1! RT @Renee_Hopkins @DrewCM Glad you had a chance to visit with@WandaMcClure - wish I could have been there too! #innochat

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@CreativeSage Not as sorry as we are, Cathryn! ;-D #innochat

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@CreativeSage The only time it isn't beautiful and sunny in Berkeley, CA is onthose infrequent times when you have wind. #innochat

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@CreativeSage All that sunshine gets a bit samey no ? - ahem #innovation inweather reporting *cough* #innochat

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Welcome! RT @husamerciyes Good morning all from San Francisco #innochat

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@DrewCM @CreativeSage We are having rain AND wind here in Providence -first Nor'easter of the fall. #innochat

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@CreativeSage thank you! #innochat

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@husamerciyes hello! #innochat

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Cough! RT @PaulEllisUK @CreativeSage All that sunshine gets a bit samey no ?- ahem #innovation in weather reporting *cough* #innochat

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RT @Renee_Hopkins @husamerciyes hello! #innochat

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Bruno Winck@brunowinck

@CreativeSage #innochat good rainy afternoon :) perfect for working andchatting

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@brunowinck hello! #innochat

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Let us get this non-traveling show on the road, shall we? Q the First to follow...#innochat

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@Renee_Hopkins hello! #innochat

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@brunowinck Welcome, sir! #innochat

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I did a little flying in the US, and it was difficult for them to understand thatweather is almost always "marginal" here. ;-) #innochat

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.@Renee_Hopkins I'm sorry about the bad weather there. Actually, we need rainhere, and it should happen tomorrow, I think. #innochat

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Q1 What is your perspective on the state of innovation in higher education?#innochat

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.@brunowinck Good to see you, too! #innochat

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RT @DrewCM Q1 What is your perspective on the state of innovation in highereducation? #innochat

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@JohnWLewis That is the most often used descriptor for weather in Seattlewhen I was a pilot in training. #innochat

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Great topic, @drewcm! You mentioned @SNHU and College for America -@TheBIF was part of initial project: http://t.co/e0D6c3K4Zb #innochat

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@DrewCM A1 Problem here is higher education is too broad a market to give avalid generalised response #innochat

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A1: overall I think innovation is not up to speed in higher education. They followthe trend slowly #innochat

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A1. Higher education is a broad topic, yes, but broadly needs innovation andnew business models! #innochat

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A1) ...And need I mention, the deplorable student loan situation in the U.S.?#innochat

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Ken Rosen@Ken_Rosen

Is Q1 about whether academic research will be innovative or whether teachingapproaches will be innovative? #innochat

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RT @PaulEllisUK @DrewCM A1 Problem here is higher education is too broad amarket to give a valid generalised response #innochat

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@PaulEllisUK OK, I offer the following as a starting point: Tertiary ed providedby academic institutions in 3-4 year degrees. #innochat

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A1 I think on hear say there are many innovative projects and practices butinnovation is not an endemic quality in HE #innochat

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A1 My occasional contact with nearby business school suggests they are on the"innovation" ball, (but that is not what you mean). #innochat

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A1) The Real Revolution in Online Education Isn't MOOCs - Michelle Weise@HarvardBiz http://t.co/KNt926L8Ap FYI #innochat

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@Renee_Hopkins @drewcm @SNHU @TheBIF Thanks. I thought that mightget your attention! #innochat

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I also worked on-staff at the University of Texas at Austin, and I can say withcertainty that higher ed needs innovation!! #innochat

http://ow.ly/Deo8X

http://bit.ly/1wuTe5N

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RT @Renee_Hopkins: Great topic, @drewcm! You mentioned @SNHU andCollege for America - @TheBIF was part of initial project:http://t.co/e0Dhttp://t.co/e0D6c3K4Zb

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@CreativeSage The level of student debt in the USA is appalling and remarkable.#innochat

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RT @PaulEllisUK A1 I think I hear there are many innovative projects andpractices but innovation is not an endemic quality in HE #innochat

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@DrewCM Yes, indeed, although I would have mentioned @SNHU even if youhad not! I love what they're doing. #innochat

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RT @Renee_Hopkins I also worked on-staff at the U of Texas at Austin, and Ican say w/ certainty that higher ed needs innovation!! #innochat

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@Ken_Rosen The focus today is not academic research - rather the provision ofeducation at the tertiary level #innochat

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RT @DrewCM @CreativeSage The level of student debt in the USA is appallingand remarkable. #innochat

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Richard Angus@IERichardA

How does #technology influence #OpenInnovation? http://t.co/B5vLxH1zGI#innochat #innovation

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Lisa Richards@_LisaRich

A1: It depends on the institution itself, some are falling behind while others arerising. #innochat

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@PaulEllisUK I agree. There is a lot of movement but is it "sound and furysignifying nothing"? #innochat

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A1 Innovation in teaching practices is often a characteristic of successful andpopular schools and colleges and their results #innochat

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A1) Not mentioning names, but there has been shameful financial &environmental waste at some major universities, which continues. #innochat

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@_LisaRich Can you provide some examples of those you think are meeting thechallenge? #innochat

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A1 When I was at university (long ago) we had some innovative "sandwich"courses including engineering with languages ... #innochat

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A1 I admit disclose that my knowledge on High Education is not very actual#innochat so will skip the question :)

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A1 Higher Ed biz model is crying out for innovation. Current system seemsunsustainable. #innochat

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@Ken_Rosen Universities in particular do try to be all things to all ppl. I don'tthink they are clear on their value proposition #innochat

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Robert Egby@robert_egby

RT @CreativeSage: A1) Not mentioning names, but there has been shamefulfinancial & environmental waste at some major universities, which c…

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@mattbrat1 And there are so many business model possibilities for higher ed!Ste 1 would be for them to realize that. #innochat

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A1) There are some very good small, private colleges that are under-recognized,and they are often the true innovators. #innochat

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A1 … including engineering lectures in foreign languages and placementsabroad. #innochat

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@PaulEllisUK That's interesting: I'm reading a compelling case for innovation inpractices of teaching rather than institution #innochat

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RT @CreativeSage: A1) There are some very good small, private colleges that areunder-recognized, and they are often the true innovators. …

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Lisa Radin@milguy23

A1 1 child just graduated, 1 college soph. Don't see 'state of innovation', do seemore demand for critical thinking. #innochat

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RT @Renee_Hopkins And there are so many business model possibilities forhigher ed! Ste 1 would be for them to realize that. #innochat

http://ow.ly/Deo8X

http://bit.ly/1tO9BM0

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@DrewCM Technical schools, schools focused on STEM instead of "softer"topics - I'll get you a few! #innochat

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RT @DrewCM That's interesting: I'm reading a compelling case for innovationin practices of teaching rather than institution #innochat

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Yes! RT @_LisaRich @DrewCM Technical schools, schools focused on STEMinstead of "softer" topics - I'll get you a few! #innochat

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@Ken_Rosen As to the research role, perhaps there is a case to be made on theundue influence from that qtr? #innochat

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A1 Innovation in Education tends to be personally championed long beforesystemically adopted, often resisted, same biz I think? #innochat

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RT @milguy23 A1 1 child just graduated, 1 college soph. Don't see 'state ofinnovation', do see more demand for critical thinking. #innochat

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RT @milguy23: A1 1 child just graduated, 1 college soph. Don't see 'state ofinnovation', do see more demand for critical thinking. #innoch…

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@milguy23 DO you see a need to change the way subjects are addressed or aneed to add critical thinking as a subject? #innochat

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Ken Rosen@Ken_Rosen

Motivation. Isn't that what's largely missing? MT @CreativeSage: A1) good smallcolleges..under-recognized, often true innovators #innochat

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One of the most exciting advances is the notion of serving the "adult learner" asa customer. See the @CompleteFlorida initiative. #innochat

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+ #STEMtoSTEAM RT @_LisaRich @DrewCM Technical schools, schoolsfocused on STEM instead of "softer" topics - I'll get you a few! #innochat

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RT @Renee_Hopkins: One of the most exciting advances is the notion of servingthe "adult learner" as a customer. See the @CompleteFlorida i…

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@DrewCM Examples include MIT, Duke, Stanford - those known for theirinnovation! #innochat

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RT @PaulEllisUK A1 Innovation in Education tends to be personallychampioned long before systemically adopted, often resisted? #innochat

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@_LisaRich Please - I love us to be able to wrestle with clear examples. Thanks!#innochat

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A1 My eldest was in final year of economics degree during 2008 crisis, theyrejigged lectures to cover "what's happened today?"! #innochat

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Lisa Radin@milguy23

@DrewCM The critical thinking depends on the teacher. It's a crapshoot:(Critical thinking as subject for freshmen would be great. #innochat

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A1) A major problem is that the more innovative small colleges are also the mostexpensive. Accessibility is the main issue. #innochat

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.@snhu innovation has been around offering competency-based education -degree not based on number of classes or timeline. #innochat

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A1: That's not to say that schools focused on the Arts aren't innovative!#innochat

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@CreativeSage Note: The book is Elizabeth Green's "Building A Better Teacher"- fascinating stuff. http://t.co/VBwKsV2bdS #innochat

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RT @milguy23 critical thinking depends on the teacher. It's a crapshoot:(Critical thinking as subject for freshmen would be great #innochat

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@_LisaRich Artists should be critical thinkers too - yes? #innochat

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RT @Renee_Hopkins a most exciting advances is notion of serving the "adultlearner" as customer. See @CompleteFlorida initiative. #innochat

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Often, they are, need to cross disciplines RT @_LisaRich A1: That's not to saythat schools focused on the Arts aren't innovative! #innochat

http://qub.me/rYKmlP

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Yes! RT @PaulEllisUK @_LisaRich Artists should be critical thinkers too - yes?#innochat

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@CreativeSage Well, we know how it works. An innovation always starts with asmall group of innovators and diffuses from there. #innochat

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@CreativeSage I agree - finances are often the most difficult aspect in colleges.#innochat

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@milguy23 And I think you have struck a rich vein: tacking innovation in thepractice of teaching itself rather than institutions #innochat

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RT @DrewCM: RT @Renee_Hopkins a most exciting advances is notion ofserving the "adult learner" as customer. See @CompleteFlorida initiativ…

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Lisa Radin@milguy23

A1 Perspective of kids in college? The place to have fun and oh, gotta learnsomething. #innochat

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A1: Artists are innovators! Just look at the graphic design or music industryfields! #innochat

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@_LisaRich Thanks. The benefits of endowments cannot be underestimated inthe cases of the Ivy League #innochat

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RT @DrewCM I think you have struck a rich vein: tacking innovation in thepractice of teaching itself rather than institutions #innochat

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@JohnWLewis Did you son find the rejiggered lectures of value during TheGreat Unpleasantness? #innochat

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A1) There are many older people, including seniors, who are going back toschool to enrich their lives, finish degrees, etc. #innochat

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@milguy23 re: perspective of kids in college - see @THeBIF project Capturingthe Student Voice - http://t.co/ksjY2HSDt6 #innochat

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Critical thinking is more difficult when there is technology in the way. See@Renee_Hopkins earlier on slide rules. #innochat

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Lisa Radin@milguy23

@DrewCM A1 Think 'innovation' / critical thinking needs to occur muchyounger - 7th/8th grade are prime. Not too young, not old. #innochat

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RT @Renee_Hopkins re: perspective of kids in college - see @THeBIF projectCapturing the Student Voice - http://t.co/RjAzoxWoBq #innochat

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Yes, lots of new arts programs!RT @_LisaRich A1: Artists are innovators! Justlook at the graphic design or music industry fields! #innochat

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Q2 What do you see are the biggest challenges we face? Why? #innochat

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@JohnWLewis I was a grad assistant to a prof teaching freshman-level criticalthinking...focused on teaching informal logic. #innochat

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RT @milguy23 A1 Think 'innovation' / critical thinking needs to occur muchyounger - 7th/8th grade prime. Not too young, not old. #innochat

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@milguy23 Yes! Many middle schools offer classes such as Home Ec,Technology, or Woodworking. #innochat

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RT @JohnWLewis Critical thinking is more difficult when there is technology inthe way. See @Renee_Hopkins earlier on slide rules. #innochat

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[Sorry for the delayed Q2 - had a knock at the door] #innochat

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Lisa Radin@milguy23

A1 Why does 'innovation' need to start in higher education? Shouldn't it start in'the wonder years'? #innochat

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A1) My hope is that we can integrate critical thinking, arts, STEM & technologybetter than we're currently doing it. #innochat

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RT @DrewCM Q2 What do you see are the biggest challenges we face? Why?#innochat

http://ow.ly/Det1s

http://ow.ly/Det1s

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@DrewCM He says there was a major moment when a lecturer said "You have torealise there are no longer any investment banks." … #innochat

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A2. Biggest challenge: Many different "markets" for higher education + Inabilityof colleges to identify value proposition. #innochat

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@milguy23 The premise was not that we couldn't have innovation earlier (andshould) but I chose to focus on higher ed this week. #innochat

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A2 Big challenge is keeping #educators up to speed with the state of #innovationand subject matter expertise in business #innochat

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RT @PaulEllisUK: A2 Big challenge is keeping #educators up to speed with thestate of #innovation and subject matter expertise in business …

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@JohnWLewis That would certainly cause some puckering (but I doubt in theroom on the day!) #innochat

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A2: Main challenge is finances. To bring in new programs, advance oldprograms, and give students scholarships. #innochat

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A2) It usually boils down to finance, for the universities and thestudents/parents. Many budget cuts to public universities. #innochat

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RT @Renee_Hopkins A2. Biggest: Many different "markets" for higher ed +Inability of colleges to identify value proposition. #innochat

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Lisa Radin@milguy23

@_LisaRich A1 Once interviewed hs principal. Schools only care about process -how things get done…not innovation. #innochat

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RT @_LisaRich A2: Main challenge is finances. To bring in new programs,advance old programs, and give students scholarships. #innochat

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… (Most thought they'd be investment bankers!) But they are resilient. The lawconversion courses were very soon oversubscribed! #innochat

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@milguy23 Schools don't see value in innovating their processes, though?@_LisaRich #innochat

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A2) Lots of culture change work needs to be done in the admin bureaucracies ofuniversities. Terrible resistance to change. #innochat

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A2. A big challenge is one of effective prioritization. As @JohnWLewis will say:better have a strategy before you change ahting #innochat

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RT @milguy23 @_LisaRich A1 Once interviewed his principal. Schools only careabout process - how things get done…not innovation. #innochat

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A2 More competition for Parental budget / student should drive innovation -happens in private sector education here in UK #innochat

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Lisa Radin@milguy23

@Renee_Hopkins @_LisaRich If there is money, they do. Innovation for mostschools means 'get iPads, get laptops'. #innochat

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@milguy23 @_LisaRich Interesting. I hear that in the current climate theprocess is secondary to the outcome. #innochat

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A2) The tenure system and "adjunct faculty" system needs to be transformed.Many qualified people can't teach in universities. #innochat

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A2 I agree that there must be some innovative financing arrangements available(actually, I have one in mind!) #innochat

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@Renee_Hopkins @milguy23 Comes down to $ - Some schools want changes,but can't afford. Others don't see importance. #innochat

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Ken Rosen@Ken_Rosen

The early critical thinking vein for Q1 makes me think of Common Core in mid-school & beyond. Q types definitely changing #innochat

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@DrewCM Imo, also true that both process and innovation are secondary to newtech, in today's climate @milguy23 @_LisaRich #innochat

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@CreativeSage Interesting. I guess I put on my design thinking hat and ask: ifbureaucracy exists, whose need does it serve? #innochat

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RT @_LisaRich @Renee_Hopkins @milguy23 Comes down to $ - Some schoolswant changes, but can't afford. Others don't see importance. #innochat

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@milguy23 Correct, so much more than Ipads/laptops. Think software andtools! #innochat

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Lisa Radin@milguy23

A2 'parents' r the biggest stumbling block. They rely on schools w/o takingownership. They rely on FB thinking kids r techy. #innochat

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RT @Ken_Rosen The early critical thinking vein for Q1 makes me think ofCommon Core in mid-school &beyond. Q types changing #innochat

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A2 If Higher Ed is more a for-profit biz than public service, same challenges,same arguments against change as most orgs. #innochat

12:32:2416:32:24


@JohnWLewis Share!! #innochat

12:32:2616:32:26


RT @DrewCM @CreativeSage Interesting. I put on my design thinking hat andask: if bureaucracy exists, whose need does it serve? #innochat

12:32:3316:32:33

Ken Rosen@Ken_Rosen

So often in any field: the bureaucracy's RT @DrewCM: @CreativeSage ifbureaucracy exists, whose need does it serve? #innochat

12:32:5316:32:53


@Renee_Hopkins @milguy23 @_LisaRich I agree - technology as a panacea is astrange addiction many seem to have. #innochat

12:32:5716:32:57


@DrewCM Yes the bigger the change, the more important to have a strategybased on clear objective and knowing how the world works. #innochat

12:33:0516:33:05


@DrewCM @CreativeSage Higher-ed bureaucracy serves the need of admin toprotect the current structure at all costs. #innochat

12:33:3616:33:36


RT @mattbrat1 A2 If Higher Ed is more a for-profit biz than pub serv, samechallenges, same arguments against change as most orgs. #innochat

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RT @Renee_Hopkins @DrewCM @CreativeSage Higher-ed bureaucracy servesthe need of admin to protect current structure at all costs. #innochat

12:34:0016:34:00


+1000! RT @Ken_Rosen So often in any field: bureaucracy's RT @DrewCM ifbureaucracy exists, whose need does it serve? #innochat

12:34:1416:34:14


@DrewCM Well, it is based on a joky offer that I saw a video of Warren Buffetmaking to business school students in NY. #innochat

12:34:2616:34:26


@Ken_Rosen @CreativeSage And now I [facepalm] in frustration."Bureaucracy!!" [shakes hand at sky] #innochat

12:34:4916:34:49

Lisa Radin@milguy23

@DrewCM @Renee_Hopkins @_LisaRich A1 Compare #FB #socialmediaknowledge to a car. Almost anyone can drive, few can fix. #innochat #STEM

12:35:0116:35:01


A2) I would love to give examples of waste & entrenchment I've seen, butconfidentiality issues prevent it. Very disturbing. #innochat

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@milguy23 I couldn't have said it better myself. #innochat

12:35:2316:35:23


@Renee_Hopkins @CreativeSage We have a point of leverage for change. Testquestion: "Who is better education due to you?" #innochat

12:35:3916:35:39


Fear of "real" change has led to incremental change, which has amounted to anarms-race in campus facilities improvements. #innochat

12:36:0016:36:00


RT @DrewCM: @Ken_Rosen @CreativeSage And now I [facepalm] infrustration. "Bureaucracy!!" [shakes hand at sky] #innochat

12:36:0316:36:03


@DrewCM He offered any of them $100,000 cash now for 10% of their futureearnings. I think that schemes like that could work. #innochat

12:36:0516:36:05

Paula Flood@PJFlood92

RT @CreativeSage: RT @DrewCM @CreativeSage Interesting. I put on mydesign thinking hat and ask: if bureaucracy exists, whose need does it …

12:36:1516:36:15

Lisa Radin@milguy23

A2 Parents biggest challenge. Did #insights years ago. Some typos in this:( butstart: STEM has a problem: http://t.co/VkTz3AJEA6 #innochat

http://bit.ly/1or8zwD

12:36:1516:36:15


RT @milguy23: @DrewCM @Renee_Hopkins @_LisaRich A1 Compare #FB#socialmedia knowledge to a car. Almost anyone can drive, few can fix. #inno…

12:36:3016:36:30


@CreativeSage That's a shame. But I suspect we might all have our own to shareif behind closed doors #innochat

12:36:3116:36:31


@milguy23 Thanks for link! #innochat

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RT @Renee_Hopkins Fear of "real" change has led to incremental change,amounted to an arms-race in campus facilities improvements. #innochat

12:36:5116:36:51

Harriet Connolly@IE_Harriet

Building partnerships for #OpenInnovation - http://t.co/K1s7Akf1j1 #innochat#innovation

12:37:1616:37:16


@JohnWLewis Brilliant - and I wonder how many took him up on his offer?#innochat

12:37:2216:37:22


A2) I've seen major universities spend millions to hire consultants & coaches,they go through process, don't do what's suggested. #innochat

12:37:2716:37:27


@CreativeSage I have one example: that it took one solid calendar month for UTto replace my broken office phone. One month. #innochat

12:37:3216:37:32


RT @CreativeSage: A2) I've seen major universities spend millions to hireconsultants & coaches, they go through process, don't do what's s…

12:37:3616:37:36


RT @DrewCM @CreativeSage That's a shame. But I suspect we might all haveour own to share if behind closed doors #innochat

12:37:3916:37:39


Time for a gear change - back to innovation... #innochat

12:37:4116:37:41

Lisa Radin@milguy23

@DrewCM @_LisaRich I've been out of the education loop for awhile. Trackingtrends but not deep. #innochat

12:37:4316:37:43


Q3 What failures in higher education innovation have you seen? #innochat

12:38:0216:38:02


A2 There are also some major challenges in using technology. Does it help orhinder learning? #innochat

12:38:0916:38:09


@DrewCM @JohnWLewis Buffett's offer = meh. Weird counterintuitiveschemes don't do much for me. #innochat

12:38:3816:38:38


@Renee_Hopkins Well, I'm sure your communication via smoke signals fromthe roof top of the business school was effective too #innochat

12:38:4516:38:45


A2) The recruitment & promotion processes at many universities are draconianat best. Terrible policies and resistance to change. #innochat

12:38:5616:38:56

Lisa Radin@milguy23

@CreativeSage A2 Major universities like any business - too big and too fat tomove fast. Change is slow. #innochat

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RT @DrewCM Q3 What failures in higher education innovation have you seen?#innochat

12:39:0216:39:02


Indeed! RT @DrewCM @Renee_Hopkins I'm sure your communication viasmoke signals from roof of the business school was effective too #innochat

12:39:0616:39:06


RT @milguy23: @CreativeSage A2 Major universities like any business - too bigand too fat to move fast. Change is slow. #innochat

12:39:1716:39:17


RT @CreativeSage: A2) The recruitment & promotion processes at manyuniversities are draconian at best. Terrible policies and resistance to…

12:39:3816:39:38


A3: Not sure of any examples, but the lack of national innovation changesshould speak for itself. #innochat

12:40:0716:40:07


@Renee_Hopkins @DrewCM Well, funding schemes here (UK) are a bit like"free" education with repayment based on future income. #innochat

12:40:0916:40:09


A3) I've mentioned a number of failures or bad situations. Too slow to changemeans lost depts., professors laid off/not hired.. #innochat

http://bit.ly/12bhcIr

12:40:1216:40:12


A3. One big failure - assuming no one except PhDs knows anything, when manyPhDs have only dated, narrow knowledge. #innochat

12:40:1316:40:13

Whitney Vosburgh@brandguru

RT @CreativeSage: RT @DrewCM Q3 What failures in higher educationinnovation have you seen? #innochat

12:40:4416:40:44

Judy Gombita@jgombita

Point @DrewCM (others in #innochat) to this @greenbanana post: A chickenand egg conundrum for PR careers http://t.co/Dil9L3mrMf T-shaped?

12:40:4616:40:46


A3. The crisis in adjunct instruction is a huge failure on the part of higher ed.#innochat

12:40:4716:40:47


A3) ...Student and parent debt skyrocketing impacts our entire economic future.Quality of Ed suffers. #innochat

12:40:4816:40:48


A3 Big universities experimenting with MOOCs is an interesting failure.Completion is at issue http://t.co/JSV2xzWkEH #innochat

12:41:1616:41:16


RT @Renee_Hopkins A3. One big failure—assuming no one except PhDs knowsanything, when many PhDs have only dated, narrow knowledge #innochat

12:41:2716:41:27


RT @Renee_Hopkins A3. One big failure - assuming no one except PhDs knowsanything, when many PhDs have dated, narrow knowledge. #innochat

12:41:3316:41:33


@DrewCM I see MOOCs as less a true failure and more of experiment (althoughuniversities may not see it that way). #innochat

12:41:4416:41:44


@Renee_Hopkins Harsh! (But fair!) #innochat

12:41:5416:41:54

Sam Geapin@IESamG

Our very first Chief Innovation Officer Magazine! http://t.co/a54OYMF6Et#CINONY #innochat

12:41:5416:41:54


Our very first Chief Innovation Officer Magazine! http://t.co/GSaLnxAtLL#CINONY #innochat

12:42:0116:42:01


MT @Renee_Hopkins: A3. ... many PhDs [and DPhils?] have only dated, narrowknowledge. #innochat // Probably guilty as charged! ;-)

12:42:0116:42:01

Lisa Radin@milguy23

A2 Diversity is a challenge, public schools suck w that. Pgs 21+ for #innovationideas. #innochat http://t.co/eeSScT3R7C

12:42:0616:42:06


A3) People who don't have PhDs or Masters can't get teaching jobs inuniversities, even if they have extensive industry experience #innochat

12:42:2016:42:20


RT @Renee_Hopkins A3. The crisis in adjunct instruction is a huge failure onthe part of higher ed. #innochat

12:42:2316:42:23

Ken Rosen@Ken_Rosen

What about student nature? MOOC should work for many topics, but do humanneed peer experience to complete? #innochat

12:42:2416:42:24


@Renee_Hopkins I agree. I just did a stint as an adjunct and had a ball. Greatfaculty support. Great students. Big exception #innochat

12:42:4616:42:46


@DrewCM Universities should look at MOOC completion data, use it to figureout best/highest use for MOOCS in overall scheme. #innochat

12:43:0116:43:01


A3: By the time schools obtain their new technology, it's almost out of dateagain! #innochat

12:43:2016:43:20


A3: New concepts, training professionals, teaching students - takes time.#innochat

12:43:2016:43:20


@DrewCM After 15+yrs of commercial classroom based training, I've somemany rounds of CBT, Web… MOOCs, my eyes glaze over! ;-) #innochat

12:43:2816:43:28


A3) Sadly, I doubt many college admins are watching this #innochat — they'renot tuned in to outside perspectives, esp. on social media.

12:43:3616:43:36


RT @Ken_Rosen What about student nature? MOOC should work for manytopics, but do human need peer experience to complete? #innochat

12:43:3816:43:38


@jgombita @greenbanana Issue with metaphors is when we take them tooliterally. They serve to illustrate, not determine, right? #innochat

http://ow.ly/Deyr7

http://qub.me/U7fCd6

http://buff.ly/1vBm7NF

http://buff.ly/1vBm7NF

http://slidesha.re/17mXENC

12:43:3816:43:38

Lisa Radin@milguy23

A3 Ever go to a college fair? They are horrible and low tech. #innochat Can usebig dose of #innovation there.

12:43:4616:43:46


RT @CreativeSage A3) ...Student and parent debt skyrocketing impacts ourentire economic future. Quality of Ed suffers. #innochat

12:44:1016:44:10


A3 If knowledge is truly the product being bought & sold, distribution &marketing kinda sucks. Not very efficient. #innochat

12:44:1116:44:11


RT @DrewCM @Renee_Hopkins I agree. I just did a stint as adjunct &had aball. Great faculty support. Great students. Big exception #innochat

12:44:2216:44:22


@Renee_Hopkins Agreed don't lose MOOCs, reframe and refocus theexperiments around them. #innochat

12:44:2516:44:25


RT @_LisaRich A3: By the time schools obtain their new technology, it's almostout of date again! #innochat

12:44:2516:44:25


@DrewCM Adjunct system works great for people who adjunct as addition tomore lucrative work. For full-time adjuncts, it sucks. #innochat

12:44:3216:44:32

Lisa Radin@milguy23

A3 The college process - the parents are usually left out. In the kids hands.That's OK, but missed opportunity. #innochat

12:44:3916:44:39


RT @_LisaRich A3: New concepts, training professionals, teaching students -takes time. #innochat <But investment is worth it

12:44:4116:44:41


RT @milguy23: A3 The college process - the parents are usually left out. In thekids hands. That's OK, but missed opportunity. #innochat

12:44:4816:44:48


RT @JohnWLewis After 15+yrs of commercial classroom based training, I'vesome many rounds of CBT, Web,MOOCs, my eyes glaze over! #innochat

12:45:0016:45:00


RT @DrewCM RT @CreativeSage A3) ...Student and parent debt skyrocketingimpacts our entire economic future. Quality of Ed suffers. #innochat

12:45:1216:45:12


@JohnWLewis At least it is a FLA rather than the ubiquitous TLA #innochat

12:45:1516:45:15


RT @DrewCM: @Renee_Hopkins Agreed don't lose MOOCs, reframe andrefocus the experiments around them. #innochat

12:45:1816:45:18


RT @milguy23 A3 Ever go to a college fair? They are horrible and low tech.#innochat Can use big dose of #innovation there.

12:45:1816:45:18

Lisa Radin@milguy23

A3 Failures in college? TA's that don't speak English. Ever have one of those?#innochat

12:45:3316:45:33


RT @milguy23: A3 Failures in college? TA's that don't speak English. Ever haveone of those? #innochat

12:45:4716:45:47


RT @mattbrat1 A3 If knowledge is truly the product being bought & sold,distribution & mktg kinda sucks. Not very efficient. #innochat

12:45:5616:45:56


@DrewCM possibly. Of course in case of "PR" it isn't a properly (narrowly?)defined "profession." Many make up their own version #innochat

12:46:0216:46:02


Penultimate Q on its way... #innochat

12:46:0716:46:07


Q4 What examples can you share of experiments or solutions that you seeleading toward better value from higher education? #innochat

12:46:0916:46:09


RT @milguy23: A3 The college process - the parents are usually left out. In thekids hands. That's OK, but missed opportunity. #innochat

12:46:1516:46:15


@DrewCM Yeh, and they snuck "OO" (my field) in there! ;-) #innochat

12:46:1916:46:19


@milguy23 Classic example of prioritizing research value proposition overteaching value proposition. Muddled business model. #innochat

12:46:2316:46:23


RT @Renee_Hopkins RT @DrewCM: @Renee_Hopkins Agreed don't loseMOOCs, reframe and refocus the experiments around them. #innochat

12:47:0616:47:06


RT @Renee_Hopkins Classic example of prioritizing research value prop overteaching value proposition. Muddled business model. #innochat

12:47:0916:47:09


A4 Perhaps the acceptance of the #702010 model for learning should becomemandatory in education establishments? #innochat

12:47:2416:47:24


A3. Online tests. Way too easy for students to both collaborate and/or "game"better results. #innochat

12:47:4816:47:48


A4 Prioritise Learning by Doing in a supported realistic environment #innochat

12:47:5916:47:59


RT @jgombita A3. Online tests. Way too easy for students to both collaborateand/or "game" better results. #innochat

12:48:0916:48:09

NoMondai@NoMondaiNL

RT @_LisaRich: A3: By the time schools obtain their new technology, it's almostout of date again! #innochat

12:48:1616:48:16


A4. I mentioned @CompleteFlorida before - initiative to help adult learnerscomplete degrees. Info: http://t.co/PB32Jx8qy6 #innochat

12:48:1816:48:18


A4 I mentioned earlier, sandwich courses mixing engineering with languages(which was pretty innovative [in the1970s!]) #innochat

12:48:2116:48:21


RT @PaulEllisUK A4 Prioritise Learning by Doing in a supported realisticenvironment #innochat

12:48:3316:48:33


@jgombita Yes - I know some students who prefer pencil and paper! #innochat

12:48:5616:48:56


A4. Competency-based education, such as @SNHU's College for America.Ackowlednge not all learning come from classroom. #innochat

12:49:0916:49:09


@PaulEllisUK I like that - speaks to the vocational/technical/apprenticeshipexperience I grew up with in Australia and see in EU #innochat

12:49:0916:49:09


RT @JohnWLewis: A4 I mentioned earlier, sandwich courses mixingengineering with languages (which was pretty innovative [in the1970s!]) #in…

12:49:1716:49:17


RT @DrewCM: Q4 What examples can you share of experiments or solutionsthat you see leading toward better value from higher education? #inn…

12:49:2316:49:23

Lisa Radin@milguy23

A3 Have spl needs child. Big Oy. College Office of Disabilities suck. Parents hireedu consultants <- #innovation needed there. #innochat

12:49:2316:49:23


Wow....that was a super creative spelling of "acknowledge"! #innochat

12:49:2916:49:29


RT @milguy23: A3 Have spl needs child. Big Oy. College Office of Disabilitiessuck. Parents hire edu consultants <- #innovation needed ther…

12:50:0416:50:04


@JohnWLewis I see sandwich course as being a bastardized approach tointegrated approaches and team teaching. Is that right? #innochat

12:50:0716:50:07


@_LisaRich ? Q3 was: What failures in higher education innovation have youseen? #innochat

12:50:0916:50:09


RT @Renee_Hopkins A4. Competency-based education, such as @SNHU'sCollege for America. Ackowlednge not all learning frm classroom. #innochat

12:50:1216:50:12


A4 Innovative HE: time for a shout-out for the One Planet MBA at theUniversity of Exeter Business School. http://t.co/RdmRY3lHM6 #innochat

12:50:3516:50:35

Lisa Radin@milguy23

@Renee_Hopkins A3 Sometimes, think 'the business model' doesn't get down tothe teachers. #innochat What's the big mission?

12:50:4716:50:47


@Renee_Hopkins Yes, I spelled the as "teh" in my original post - great form fora topic on ed! #innochat

12:50:5016:50:50


RT @JohnWLewis: A4 Innovative HE: time for a shout-out for the One PlanetMBA at the University of Exeter Business School.http://t.co/RdmRhttp://t.co/RdmRY3lHM6

12:50:5316:50:53

Ken Rosen@Ken_Rosen

Is it a pipedream to chg ed motivation from diploma to learning? Seems theThiel pt. Elim. fears of online "cheating" #innochat

http://ow.ly/DeA35

http://bit.ly/1D1XKJi


12:51:0216:51:02


RT @milguy23: A3 Have spl needs child. Big Oy. College Office of Disabilitiessuck. Parents hire edu consultants <- #innovation needed ther…

12:51:1016:51:10


RT @JohnWLewis: A4 Innovative HE: time for a shout-out for the One PlanetMBA at the University of Exeter Business School.http://t.co/RdmRhttp://t.co/RdmRY3lHM6

12:51:1116:51:11


@DrewCM 10% Learning is Formal - 20% is Informal but 70% is by doing - Thisis recognised but needs to be supported #innochat

12:51:1616:51:16


@DrewCM It was an academic course extended by about a year, to include 1 or 2long (months) industrial placements. #innochat

12:51:1916:51:19


So true! RT @milguy23 @Renee_Hopkins A3 Sometimes 'the business model'doesn't get down to the teachers. What's the big mission? #innochat

12:51:2216:51:22

Sam Geapin@IESamG

What are the best business models for #OpenInnovation?http://t.co/mEPLjNy55E #innochat #innovation

12:51:2216:51:22


What are the best business models for #OpenInnovation?http://t.co/apNEBeOQRA #innochat #innovation

12:51:3716:51:37


A4. Specialized space like @citizenlab (at @munkschool) where graduatestudents help create programs to make world better & safer #innochat

12:51:4016:51:40


RT +100 @PaulEllisUK @DrewCM 10% Learning is Formal - 20% is Informalbut 70% is by doing - recognised but needs to be supported #innochat

12:52:0216:52:02


RT @DrewCM: RT +100 @PaulEllisUK @DrewCM 10% Learning is Formal -20% is Informal but 70% is by doing - recognised but needs to be supporte…

12:52:0816:52:08


RT @jgombita: A4. Specialized space like @citizenlab (at @munkschool) wheregraduate students help create programs to make world better & s…

12:52:1516:52:15


@milguy23 @Renee_Hopkins I agree, some of the best innovations areteacher/student led. #innochat

12:52:2616:52:26


.@PaulEllisUK @DrewCM 10% Learning is Formal - 20% is Informal but 70% isby doing - recognised but needs to be supported #innochat

12:52:4416:52:44


@jgombita New innovative classes are being formed, but they're trying to teachtoo much in too little time. #innochat

12:52:4516:52:45


A4 MIT made course material available online for free. Still need instructions toapply but at least it's accessible. #innochat

12:53:0616:53:06


@DrewCM @TheBIF position is that pretty much all education innovationshould be teacher- and/or student-led. @milguy23 #innochat

12:53:1116:53:11


@IE_Innovation Note: our topic is on higher education innovation. If you wantto contribute to today's chat please focus there #innochat

12:53:1916:53:19


RT @mattbrat1 A4 MIT made course material available online for free. Still needinstructions to apply but at least it's accessible #innochat

12:53:3016:53:30


@DrewCM @Renee_Hopkins And I was slightly surprised that he was exhortingus to "Join is!" ;-D #innochat

12:53:3216:53:32

Lisa Radin@milguy23

A4 My daughter organization studies major at U Mich. They did more casestudies where had to go to the field. Real life. #innochat

12:53:3316:53:33


A4: Faculty that don't recognize the need for change in their classroom - stillusing old techniques. #innochat

12:53:4416:53:44


@_LisaRich but I was referring to traditional faculties with fairly traditionalteaching methods, who "test" students online. #innochat

12:53:5316:53:53


@mattbrat1 Loved MIT model - you can learn for free, but pay to actually earncredit. Sometimes you just want/need to learn! #innochat

12:54:0816:54:08


@mattbrat1 A huge challenge, and one of the reasons why MIT knows they cando this safely, is context is what aids the learner. #innochat

12:54:3616:54:36


RT @DrewCM: @IE_Innovation Note: our topic is on higher educationinnovation. If you want to contribute to today's chat please focus there …




12:54:5116:54:51


A4) Some schools are experimenting w/adjunct classes, i.e. "Creativity inEntrepreneurship," etc.; still relies on adjunct faculty #innochat

12:54:5416:54:54


Last Q as we sprint to the finish... #innochat

12:54:5916:54:59


Q5 What alternatives to higher education have you seen that offer betteroutcomes? #innochat

12:55:0216:55:02


@jgombita Ah I see, my apologizes for the confusion - that's definitely another!#innochat

12:55:2116:55:21


RT @DrewCM: @mattbrat1 A huge challenge, and one of the reasons why MITknows they can do this safely, is context is what aids the learner.…

12:55:3316:55:33


RT @Renee_Hopkins: @mattbrat1 Loved MIT model - you can learn for free,but pay to actually earn credit. Sometimes you just want/need to le…

12:55:4216:55:42


RT @DrewCM: Q5 What alternatives to higher education have you seen thatoffer better outcomes? #innochat

12:55:5316:55:53


RT @milguy23 A4 My daughter organization studies major at U Mich. Morecase studies where had to go to the field. Real life. #innochat <YES

12:55:5716:55:57


A5. Depends on need. Need to learn - lots of options. Need a degree/credential -you're pretty much stuck w higher ed machine. #innochat

12:56:0716:56:07


RT @DrewCM Q5 What alternatives to higher education have you seen that offerbetter outcomes? #innochat

12:56:2816:56:28


A5 This is a major question here in UK, where arguably "too many" people(whatever that means) are going to university. #innochat

12:57:0016:57:00


A5. Part 2 - much ed innovation has been on learning-opportunities side. Needmuch more innovation on degree/credential side. #innochat

12:57:0716:57:07


RT @Renee_Hopkins: A5. Depends on need. Need to learn - lots of options.Need a degree/credential - you're pretty much stuck w higher ed ma…

12:57:1116:57:11


A5: I know professionals who have huge jobs because of their experience, notschooling. Sometimes trade schools. #innochat

12:57:1716:57:17


RT @DrewCM: RT @milguy23 A4 My daughter organization studies major at UMich. More case studies where had to go to the field. Real life. #i…

12:57:2016:57:20

Lisa Radin@milguy23

@DrewCM Ross School of Business does lots of that. They need to keep upleadership image. #innochat Maybe bc others not leaders, not doing?

12:57:2316:57:23

Munk School@munkschool

RT @jgombita: A4. Specialized space like @citizenlab (at @munkschool) wheregraduate students help create programs to make world better & s…

12:57:2916:57:29


A5 Making a case as @PaulEllisUK has today for the integration of clearpractical application of learning. #innochat

12:57:4116:57:41


RT @JohnWLewis: A5 This is a major question here in UK, where arguably "toomany" people (whatever that means) are going to university. #in…

12:57:4416:57:44


@_LisaRich I know of a case where about 95% of a (professional faculty) classwere involved in such a scam. They received 0... #innochat

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A5. Part 3 - need innovation on degree/credentialing side to fix high studentdebt and lack of opportunity for low-income students #innochat

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A5 We need education that is build on dialog, that positions all users to test theirown and each other's understanding. #innochat

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A5 The predicated requirement is broader range of accreditation for skills withequivalent recognition to traditional quals. #innochat

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Ken Rosen@Ken_Rosen

An early Higher Ed driver? Move to key value being branded diploma chgs worldMT @Renee_Hopkins:Sometimes u just want to learn #innochat

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A5 Need more viable alternatives to drive innovation. Currently you play byexisting rules or don't play at all. #innochat

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A5 Technology should be applied only when it advances understanding andinquiry - too much is applied as window dressing #innochat

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@CreativeSage too bad you didn't include the #innochat hashtag, because yourtweet was the one RT by @citizenlab and @munkschool!

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Yes RT @Ken_Rosen Move to key value being branded diploma chgs world MT@Renee_Hopkins:Sometimes u just want to learn #innochat

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RT @mattbrat1: A5 Need more viable alternatives to drive innovation. Currentlyyou play by existing rules or don't play at all. #innochat

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RT @DrewCM: A5 Technology should be applied only when it advancesunderstanding and inquiry - too much is applied as window dressing #innoc…

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RT @DrewCM A5 We need education that is build on dialog,that positions allusers to test their own and each other's understanding. #innochat

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A5 Engage educators in the work of helping learners build their own bridges tounderstanding rather than "test for success" #innochat

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A5) Trade schools and certificate programs are a good step, but they need to betaken more seriously by companies/HR. #innochat

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RT @DrewCM Technology should be applied only when it advancesunderstanding and inquiry - too much is applied as window dressing #innochat

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A5 Q. How do you correlate and compare a successful 20 year career with a PhDor MBA ? #innochat

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RT @PaulEllisUK: A5 Q. How do you correlate and compare a successful 20 yearcareer with a PhD or MBA ? #innochat

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RT @DrewCM Technology should be applied only when it advancesunderstanding and inquiry - too much is applied as window dressing #innochat

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A5 Without knowledge of cases: the needs of organisations for people are clearlychanging faster than HE establishments. #innochat

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Marianna Paulson@AuntieStress

RT @CreativeSage: A5) Trade schools and certificate programs are a good step,but they need to be taken more seriously by companies/HR. #i…

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RT @DrewCM A5 Engage educators in work of helping learners build their ownbridges to understanding rather than "test for success" #innochat

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Exactly! RT @PaulEllisUK A5 Q. How do you correlate and compare a successful20 year career with a PhD or MBA ? #innochat

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@PaulEllisUK Such a great and profound question - the concept of equivalencyis being considered in business (but not in ed) #innochat

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@PaulEllisUK I'd say it depends on what training/coaching/mentoring wasreceived during the 20 year career. #innochat

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Phew. Well you have just invested another 60 minutes in the joy that is#innochat

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Thanks for coming to play today. #innochat

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A5. Query: Wouldn't you have to define "better outcomes" first, before declaringit so? #innochat

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A5) Students really want to learn from people who can help them, whether ornot the mentors/teachers have specific degrees. #innochat

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@DrewCM Equivalency is part of competency-based higher ed. @SNHU is doingit as part of College for America. @PaulEllisUK #innochat

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Lisa Radin@milguy23

A5 Offtrack, but sometimes think 'the college experience' is a CPG brandconspiracy to keep kids young, good for biz. #innochat

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RT @CreativeSage: A5) Students really want to learn from people who can helpthem, whether or not the mentors/teachers have specific degree…

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I guess this week's request is to go and learn some more about higher ed whereyou are, and shake a few trees locally! #innochat

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@JohnWLewis what about the ground breaking inventor or self taughtinnovator ? #innochat

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RT @milguy23 A5 Offtrack, but sometimes think 'the college experience' is aCPG brand conspiracy to keep kids young, good for biz. #innochat

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RT @DrewCM: Phew. Well you have just invested another 60 minutes in the joythat is #innochat // We have! Well done and thank you, Drew!

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A5) The "Open University" programs that are offered to senior adults should bemore available to students of all ages. #innochat

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RT @PaulEllisUK: A5 Q. How do you correlate and compare a successful 20 yearcareer with a PhD or MBA ? #innochat

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@DrewCM Thanks everyone! Until next time! #innochat

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@milguy23 I could not agree more! I have kids who completed college withinlast 5 years. Saw that first-hand. #innochat

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Ken Rosen@Ken_Rosen

Goes back to Aristotle's examination of a "good life," no? MT @PaulEllisUK A5Q. How..compare 20 yrs with a PhD or MBA? #innochat

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RT @DrewCM I guess this week's request is to go and learn some more abouthigher ed where you are, and shake a few trees locally! #innochat

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RT @Ken_Rosen: Goes back to Aristotle's examination of a "good life," no? MT@PaulEllisUK A5 Q. How..compare 20 yrs with a PhD or MBA? #inn…

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RT @milguy23 A5 Offtrack, but sometimes think 'the college experience' is aCPG brand conspiracy to keep kids young, good for biz. #innochat

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RT @jgombita RT @PaulEllisUK: A5 Q. How do you correlate and compare asuccessful 20 year career with a PhD or MBA ? #innochat

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@Renee_Hopkins @SNHU @PaulEllisUK Competency based equivalency inhigher ed is less common that not, exceptions understood #innochat

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Lisa Radin@milguy23

A5 While alternatives exist, the hiring business model is 'what college did yougraduate from'. Need screening #innovation? #innochat

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Thx @DrewCM and All. Great topic today. Always fun learning from theinnocats. #innochat

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Bye, everyone! Thaks so much, @DrewCM and @JohnWLewis #innochat

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@Ken_Rosen Exactly - the answers as ever lie in the past :) ! #innochat

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Almost like a nature or nurture conundrum @PaulEllisUK! Was there ANYformal higher education at the front end? #innochat

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Thanks all. Have a great week. Must dash. #innochat

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Wow, this has been a passionate #innochat ! I think we could go on and on.Maybe it merits a continuation or another chat.

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@DrewCM Yes - trying to make it more common than not by linking it to everycomment here that it applies to! @SNHU @PaulEllisUK #innochat

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RT @CreativeSage: Wow, this has been a passionate #innochat ! I think wecould go on and on. Maybe it merits a continuation or another chat.

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@PaulEllisUK They are a very diverse bunch! ;-) In microcosm, I've seen trainedvs self-taught in a narrow field, it's v. variable #innochat

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@jgombita @DrewCM @Ken_Rosen My view is any formal education is like amil. plan - often fails on first contact with enemy! #innochat

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A5) I'd love to see creativity and innovation processes taught across disciplinesin all colleges, to students, faculty & admin. #innochat

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@Renee_Hopkins Bye Renee. Take care. Hoping you are feeling much betternow. @DrewCM #innochat

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Great chat, I've been following but nothing to contribute, way too different in mydays #innochat

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Lisa Radin@milguy23

@Renee_Hopkins Do you think the beer companies lobby for college education?Who 'owns' -> need college degree? #innochat

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Thank you, @DrewCM, @JohnWLewis & @Renee_Hopkins for all you do for#innochat — great topic on #EdInnovation #EdInno #HigherEd

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@jgombita Thanks! @HenryMintzbeerg @DrewCM @SNHU @PaulEllisUK#innochat

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..I look forward to the transcript of today's #innochat later on. #EdInnovation#EdInno #HigherEd

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@Renee_Hopkins OOPS! Should be @Mintzberg141 (going to redo that tweet)@DrewCM @SNHU @PaulEllisUK #innochat

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@Renee_Hopkins @CreativeSage Innovative minds seem to be passionateabout learning ;) #innochat

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@milguy23 Ha! I don't know who owns "need a degree" but it's required for ahuge percentage of entry-level, "career-track" jobs. #innochat

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RT @Renee_Hopkins: @jgombita Thanks! @HenryMintzbeerg @DrewCM@SNHU @PaulEllisUK #innochat

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@milguy23 Maybe "need a degree" is what should change....not sure it ever willthough. Not in my lifetime! #innochat

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@JohnWLewis Thank you! Yes, I am feeling much better. #innochat

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RT @CreativeSage: Thank you, @DrewCM, @JohnWLewis & @Renee_Hopkinsfor all you do for #innochat — great topic on #EdInnovation #EdInno #Hig…

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I'm a big fan of (management guru) @mintzberg141's Managers Not MBAs book@DrewCM @Renee_Hopkins @SNHU @PaulEllisUK #innochat

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RT @CreativeSage: ..I look forward to the transcript of today's #innochat lateron. // We'll catch some of the ongoing chat, then I'm on it!

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