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Transcript of “284 with Abel James”

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Bulletproof Radio Podcast #284, Abel James

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Today'sguestisafriend,aguyI'veknownforalongtime,andaguythatyou'veprobablyseentalkedaboutrecently,Ithinkaformerguest,Iknowhe'sbeenaguestontheshow.He'scomeuptomyhouseafewtimes,hungoutathishouseafewtimes.He'saTVpersonalitystarbecausehejuststarredonABC'sMyDietisBetterThanYours,aspeakerattheBulletproofConference,andjustanallaroundawesomedude.I'mtalkingaboutnoneotherthanAbelJames.Abel,welcometotheshow.


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Abel: Dave,thankssomuchforhavingme,man.

Dave: YoujustcameoutwithabookcalledTheWildDiet,whichisprettycool,andIthinkyouhitnumber1onAmazonwhichisneat.

Abel: Yeah,andwewereaTimesbestsellertoowhichwasprettyawesome.

Dave: Oh,youdidhittheNewYorkTimeslist?

Abel: Yeah.

Dave: Sweet.Where'dyouenduponthelist?

Abel: Idon'tevenknow.Ijustgotitsentovertodaysoitwasbasically,thewaythatthesausageismadewhenitcomesdowntobookwritingisabsolutelyfascinatingbecauseIfocusedonAmazonforthemajorityofthetimebutwhentheABCshoworiginallyairedandmyguylost16poundsnumber1thefirstweekjustcrushingit,itsoldoutonAmazonsoit'sbeensoldoutforlikeprettymuchthepastmonth.

Dave: TheTVshowhelped.It'skindoffunnybecauseIknowBulletproofthecookbookjustcameoutanditsoldlike2or3timeswhatoneoftheKardashiansisterssoldandshemadethelistandIdidn't.I'mlikeIwasrobbedbutthenagainit'sacookbook.

Abel: Thenagainyou'renotaKardashian,Dave.

Dave: I'vebeengettingabiggerbuttlatelybutIcan'tkeepup,man.It'sreallyhard.

Abel: Biohackers,baby.

Dave: Iwashopingtogetsometipsfromyou,no.Thereasonyou'reon,though,isIwantedtogetyourightbeforetheshow'sfinaleisevenout,right?

Abel: Theshowisdonefilmingandthefinaleisoutbutman,you'rehittingthetopofthebuzzrightnow.

Dave: We'regoingtopushtheshowoutreallyfastbecausewhatyoudidwassomethingIactuallythoughtabout.IalwayswantedtogoonliketheBiggestLoserandjustbelikeI'mtheboring-estloserbecauseallyoudoissitonthecouch.There'sverylittlesufferingandyougooutthere,youactuallydidusethebutterincoffeeideaandyoubasically...

Abel: Andthesoapdish.

Dave: Thesoapdishfortravel,sweet.

Abel: That'sright.


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Dave: Ididn'tseethesoapdishonebutliketheseareclassicBulletproofthingsandkudostoyouformakingitwork.EverythingelseyoudidwaseatlotsofgoodfatandyoucouldwalkpeoplethroughexactlyallthethingsyoudidbutwhatIwanttosayisbadassandwhatIalwayswantedtodowasyoubeatalltheotherrandom,someofthedietsyouwerecompetingagainstwerenotveryinterestingbutdude,youkickedeveryone'sass.Howmanypounddidyourguyloseinwhatamountoftime?

Abel: Yeah,soitwas14weeksandhelostatotalof87pounds.Mostimportantly,hewentfrom52%bodyfattolessthan30%bodyfatsobasicallydoubledthefatlossofotherplansontheshowandsoforafatburningmanIhadtoliveuptomyname,right?

Dave: Yeah,andsowhatdidyoudotocausethis?

Abel: Well,okaysobasicallyifpeoplehaven'tseentheshowalotofpeoplehaveseenTheBiggestLoser.It'snotquitelikethatbecausethat'sstillrealitytelevision,whichrealitytelevisionisamisnomerinandofitself.IthasanunreliablenarratorIliketosaybutthesetupoftheshowiscompletelydifferent.It'snotlikeaweightlosscamp.You'renotstarvingyourselfandhungryandmiserableoratleastyou'renotnecessarilydoingthat,dependsontheplanyou'reon.Whatthisisistheytake5peopleoutofAtlantawhohaveabout100poundsorsotoloseandtheysetthemupwithcelebritytrainersandcoachesandbasicallythetwistoftheshowisthattheywork1on1butifthepersonwho'sbeingcoachedifnumber1it'snotworking,iftheirdietandnutritionplanisn'tworkingortheydon'tlikeitortheydon'tliketheirtrainertheycaneliminatethemfromtheshowatanytime.

It'skindofauniquewaytosettheshowup.It'shostedbymybuddy,ShawnT,whichisanabsoluteblastandhopefullyIthinkwhatpeoplearetakingawayfromitisthatit'sabitmoreinspirationalthansomeoftheothershowsthatbasicallysayyoumustbehungryandmiserable.BasicallyIwantedtogoontothatshowtoshowpeoplethattheycouldeatbutter,bacon,chocolate,cheesecake,deliciousthingsandstillgetincredibleresults,especiallywithminimalexerciseandthatwasthepartthatIwasexcitedabout.

Dave: That'sthebigthing.You'reTheBiggestLoserbecauseyou'reexercisingallthetimeinsteadoflookingatwhatyouputinyourmouth,right?There'soneepisodewherethere'saguychasingapotatochipandyou'relikethisissobrokenbecauseitdoesn'tmatterifyouchasedit.Ifyoueatit,youlose,right?

Abel: Right,exactly.Thereisn'tnearlyasmuchsabotageonthisshowwhichisreallycooltosee.Alittlebitaboutmyguy,basicallywhenwefirststartedhewasat352poundsandmoreimportantlypeoplemightnothaveseenthewholebackgroundontheshowbuthewasinahead-oncaraccidentyearsago,almostadecadeago,whichbrokehisneck.Afterthathappenedhehadtohaveaplateputinandhehadabunchofotherdifferentinjuriesbutoverthecourseofthenextfewyearshewasgettingsickerandsickerandnoonereallyknewwhy.TheyeventuallyfoundoutthattherewasStaphinthatoriginalplatethattheyputin.Itwasmanifestingitselfthroughouthisbody.


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Hegotseptic.Hehadabloodclotinhislungandultimatelyhewashospitalizedforabout13monthsandoneofthemostcrushingthingsforhimaboutitwasthathe'sagrandparent,he'stheoldestguyontheshowat47yearsold,andhemissedhisgrandchildbeingbornbecausehewassosick.HewasinthehospitalandsotakinghimbackoutofthattosomethingthatresembleshealthwasahugejourneyforhimandIthinkreallyinspiringforalotofpeoplebecauseit'snotlikehehadtheoptionofbeingacardiobuddy.Infactthewholeshow,alotofpeopledon'tknowthis,hehadastressfractureinhiskneesorunningwasn'tanoptionasaformoftraining.Itwasbasicallyjustgoingoutthereandwalkingwithhisgrandchildrenwiththestrollerupthehillsbehindhishouse,walkingwithhiswife,anddoingsomeamountofstrength-basedtrainingtomakesurethathemaintainedmusclewhilehewaslosingfat.That'sreallythemostcriticalthingyouwanttodowhenyou'retalkingabouthealthanyway.

Dave: Wheredoesonegetafullbodybaconcostume,Abel?Youopentheshowwearingthatwhichisoverthetop.YouknowIloveyouman,you'rethefunniestguybutwheredidyoufindthat,Etsy?Wheredoyougoforsuchathing?

Abel: Ithinkitwas$20onAmazon.Itwassomethinglikethat.Itreallywasn'tthathardtofind.Truestory,firsttimeIeversawmyselfontelevisionIwaswearingafullbodybaconcostume.ItwasrightbeforeNewYear'stheywereplayingabunchofpromosfortheshow.Wedon'tevenhaveaTVsowewereatahotelandIwaswatchingandIwaslikemylord.Thisishappening.Asthepeoplewhoareontheshow,wedon'tseethecutsuntilthey'reactuallyairingsoit'sall...

Dave: Ohyeah,theycantrashyou.Theycandowhatevertheywantwiththecuts.Didyouthinkthecutswerefair?

Abel: Youknowwhat,I'lltellyouthink,thatwhenyou'refilming12hoursadayforlike7weeksonendwhenthey'reputtingyouinthesetinylittlepensandyoudon'talwayshavereadyaccesstofoodandwateroranescapeplanoranythingelseit'sdifficulttonotlooklikearavinglunaticbytheendoftheday.They'refilmingfor12hoursbutthey'reonlyshowingthistinylittlebitandit'susuallyyouatyourworstwhenyou'vebeenthroughalotofdifferentstuffandIthinkforthemostpartItriedtojustputmyCaptainAmericapantsonlikeIdowithfatburningmanright?IfI'mnottalkingtothousandsofpeoplealotoftimesmylanguagewillbealittlebitmorecolorful.ImightsaysomethingsthatmightnotbetotallyPCbutforthemostpartbeingonrealityTV,knowingthattherewasabullseyeonmyheadthewholetimeIwasdoingmyverybesttokeepthingspositive,touseitasanopportunitytoreallyshowpeoplethatyoucangetresults,youdon'thavetogiveupyourfavoritefoods.

Youdon'thavetoturnintoacardiobunny,youdon'thavetodoallthisridiculousstuffthattheindustrysaysthatyouhavetodo.Ijustwantedtoshowpeoplethatyoucanhavefunandtakeitseriouslyeventhoughit'sasillyrealitycompetition.

Dave: Yeah,itiskindofarealitycompetitionbutI'velost100pounds.Yourguylost87poundsandhe'sprobablylosttheother13orwhatever,theother16heneedstolosebecausehealreadyknowswhatitfeelsliketoeat,ohit'snothardtoloseweightwhenyou'reeatingright.Itislifeanddeathanditiswhetherheseeshisgrandkidsforanother20yearsornot.It'sactuallyreallyseriousbutatthesametimeit'sentertainment.Therearepeoplewhotakeittooseriouslyand


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thentherearepeoplewhoareopportunisticandflippantandhonestlyI'vegottopointoutTheBiggestLoserkindofstuffwhereyou'resortofmakingamockeryoutofsomethingthat'sactuallyimportant.

SeeingfatpeoplecrawlafterTwinkies,likeit'ssadonaspirituallevel,right?Iappreciatethatyoudidn'tgothere.Ididn'twatchalloftheepisodesbecauselikeyouIdon'treallyhaveTVbutIhaveaniPadsoit'snotlikeyoucan'tgettoitbutit'soneofthosethingswherenoneofthestuffIsawwentinthatdirection.Therewasn'talotoftheguiltandshamingsokudostoyouandtheproducersandwhoeverwasdoingallyoureditingtodothemydiet'sbetterthanyoursbutactuallymybehaviorisbetterthanotherdietshows,too,couldhavebeenthesubtitle.

Abel: Yeah,I'mhappythatitturnedoutrelativelypositive.Ofcoursetherewerelotsofdramaticthingsthathappened.ItisrealityTV.

Dave: Ican'tbelieveyouthrewacheesecakeatthevegan.Dude,thatwasrude.

Abel: It'sthepartoftheplan.That'stheonlyreasonKurtchosemyplanisbecausehegottoeatcheesecake.

Dave: Heactuallychoseyourplanforthatreason?

Abel: Yeah,that'sliterallythereasonhetoldmethathechosemyplan.LookatwhatI'mgoingupagainst?You'vegotmyhalf-bakedridiculouslookingplanwhereyougettoeatbutter,bacon,chocolate,cheesecake,andalltheseotherhigh-fatthingsandlosefatatthesametimewithminimalexercise.Soundscrazy,notactuallycrazywhenyoulookatit.

Dave: Itsortofworks.

Abel: You'recomparingthattoaveganprogramwherebasicallythereisnosolidfoodforthefirstweek.Youaredrinkingyourdinner,youaredrinkingyourbreakfast,everything,andforsomeonelikeKurthe'slikeanall-Americanguy,a47-year-oldsalesmanoutofAtlanta,worksoutofhiscar.Thatdudeisnotavegan.

Dave: It'snevergoingtohappen,right.

Abel: Itworks.YouwanttomeetpeoplewheretheyarebecauseIthinkalotofpeople,theythinkthattheyneedtogiveupalloftheirfavoritethingsiftheywanttobesuccessful,iftheywanttohavegreatmentalperformance,iftheywanttobeabletobecomemoreresilientaspeople,withstandintermittentfasting,withstandhighpressurescenariosandstillkeepyourwitsaboutyou.IthinkoneofthereasonsthatyouseeKurtandmyselfontheshownotreallylosingourmindsisbecausewe'rerunningonfattheentiretime.We'renotgettingcranky,we'refeelingfocused,we'refeelingpositiveandthat'swhathappenswhenyoustartusingtherightfuel.

Dave: It'salmostnotfair.Ican'timaginebeingasalesguyandgoingintoameetingandyou'relikeokaydoIwanttodisarmbytarget,theguysI'msellingto?I'mjustgoingtofeedthemalowfat,


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highgluten,MSGlunchandsittheminasalesmeetingfor2hoursbutinthemeetingthey'llbelikeI'lljustsignandmeanwhileyou'vehadallthefatandyou'relikeyes,I'mreadytogo!I'mgoingtokillit.Youliterallycanmanipulateotherpeople'senergythesameasyoucanyourswithit.IwouldnotwanttogobacktothewayIwaswhenIwasdoingthe5or6mealsaday.I'mfatbutI'mgoingtousemywillpowereverydaybecauseIwasadickallthetime.

Abel: Noway,Dave.

Dave: YouknowmeprettywellnowandI'mnotlikethatbutliterallymyabilitytoregulatemyemotions,Ihadlikecarpaltunnelinmymiddlefingers.Itellyou.Ihadroadrage,allthisstuff.Itotallyknowwhatyou'resayingreallyviscerally.You'reonaset,whichisoneoftheworsttimes.That'swhythishighfatthinghastakenoverHollywood,right?

Abel: Yeah,forsure.

Dave: It'sbecausethey'reoncamerafor12hoursadayandbecausetheyhavetoremembertheirlinesandyouhavetobeconsciousofwhereyourbodyis.Idon'tthinkyoucandoitonvegancrackers.Maybeafewpeoplecan,theyhavemorewillpowerthanIdoandthey'rewastingit.Theyshouldknowbetter.

Abel: Right,wellIcantellyouthatyougetstaminawhenyoustartburningfatasyourmainfuel.It'sfantastic.I'vebeenamusicianforalongtime.Alotoftimesyoudon'thaveaccesstofoodallthetimebutifyou'reburningsugarasyourmainsourceofenergyandyoudon'thaveanythingaroundyou,yousettleforterriblefoodsandthenit'sjustthishamsterwheelthatyouhavetokeeprunningon.Youhavetoeitherkillyourselfinthegymoryouhavetoputupwiththislowenergyeverydaywheneverfood'snotaround.Givingthatupisoneofthebestthingsyoucouldpossiblydo.

ForsomeonelikeKurtwho'sjustanaveragedudeoutofAtlanta,he'dneverheardofanyofthis.ForyouandIandalotofyourlisteners,we'vebeenonourcorneroftheinternetforalongperiodoftimetalkingaboutthis.Weknowitworks.Weknowthattherearealotofmentalandperformancebenefits.ForKurt,though,thelookonhisfacewhenAllisonandIwalkedintohiskitchenforthefirsttimetellinghimtoeatmorebutterandfocusonfat,it'sridiculous.Hiswifeandhethoughtthatwewerekindofnutsatthebeginningbutthenwhenyoufeelthedifferenceinyourownenergylevels,whenyoulose16poundsinthefirstweekandthenyouwinthefitness,heactuallywonthefitnesscompetition,theoldestdude,Imeanjustdominated.

He'dneverwonanythinginhislife.It'ssomethingthatIloveseeinglightpeopleupforthefirsttime,youknowwhatImean?Whenyouseethatpersonfirstgobulletproofwheretheyfirstswitchtoeatingtherightfoodsandtheyexperiencethat,it'sjustsuchapleasurebecausethey'relikemanI'mnevergoingback.

Dave: Idon'tknowShawnTbutyouintroducedmetohimandheseemedlikeareallycoolguy.Hetextedmerightaway.IsentsomebrainoctaneandsomeBulletproofbeansandallthatstuffhisway,butwhatwasitlikeworkingwithhim?He'skindofabignameinfitness.


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Abel: Heissecretlyoneofthebestbrohuggersofmylifebutprobablyoneofthebestonearth.IwassoimpressedwithhowpresenthewasnotinthewaythatIwasexpecting.YouexpecttheInsanityguytobeupinyourfaceandsuperintenseanddigdeeper.

Dave: Returntointernaltrainingupsidedown,wejustkickyourassallthetimeandyou'lllikeit.Right,right,Ihearyou.

Abel: Youknowwhat?WhenwestartedhangingoutIwassoamazedbyhowopenheisandhowpassionateheisandmostimportantlyhowsensitiveheis.He'sveryintunewithpeople'sstruggles.He'sbeentherehimself.Ididn'trealizethisbutwhenhewasincollegeheputon50poundsandhedoeshisbesttodeeplyunderstandotherpeople'sstrugglesandworkingwithhimwasjustablastbecausewegottobereallygoodfriendsbytheendofit.Hishusband,Scott,wasalsoafantasticdudesothey'reinspiringfigures,notnecessarilyfromthesamepartofthefitnessandhealthworldasweare.

Mostofthetimewe'resayingifyouwanttobeafitnessjunkiethat'sgreatandyoucanhavealotoffundoingitbutit'snotnecessaryforalotofthisstuff.ItmightseemlikeacontrarianpointofviewthansomeonelikeShawnT.He'salotoftimestalkingaboutintenseexercisebutIthinkwherewemeetinthemiddleisfindingthatjoyinwhateveryou'redoing.Forhim,hisbackgroundisasaperformerandadancerandsohebringsthattotheexerciseworldandIthinkit'sverysimilartowhatIexperiencewhenIplaymusicandwhenIsing.It'ssomethingwhereyou'reinthezoneandyoucantellthatthroughoutthewholecompetition,throughoutthewholeTVshowhe'sthereforpeopleandhe'scoachingthemthroughsomereallytoughmoments,someofthehardestmomentsintheirentirelives.

Imean,whenyou'regettinghalfnakedinfrontofAmericaweighinginonascaleeverysingleweekitdoescrazythingstoyourbrainandhewastherethewholetimejustproppingeveryoneup.It'sawesometosee.

Dave: That'sreallycool.That'spartofwhatmadetheshowspecial.IwassogladtohavetheantidotetoTheBiggestLoser.Thatshowhasalwaysjustmademesad.Someoftheguiltingthings,likeeveryonewho'sfatfeelsasenseoffailure.Evenifyou'relikeI'mhappywithmybodyimage,noactuallyyoumighthavecometotermswithitbutyou'renotashappyasyouwouldbeifyouhadalltheenergyyoucouldhavebecauseifyou'refatyouhaveanenergystorageproblemwhichmeansyouhaveanenergymetabolismproblemwhichmeansyoudon'thavealltheenergyyoucouldhave.Sorry,that'sjusthowitis.Itdoesn'tmeanyou'reabadperson,itdoesn'tmeanyou'reweak,itdoesn'tmeanyouhavewillpower,butitmeansthere'saproblem.

TousethepowerofTVtopointpeopleinthewrongdirectionandtoshamethemversuswhatIthinkyoudidwhichwasverydifferent.I'dneverseenthatonTVbeforesoIjustwantedtosaythankstoyou,thankstoShawnforsheddingalittlebitofsanityonwhatwasgoingontherebecause15yearsofthatothercrap,itwastimethatsomeonediditright.

Abel: Thingsarechanging,thingsaregettingbetter,andShawnT,Ihadhimputbutterinhiscoffeeandhelikesit.


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Dave: Oh,yeah.He'sgotthebrainoctanehopefullyathomebynow.I'vegottofollowupwithhim,thanksforthatintro.We'regoingtogetalotmorepeopleeatingthisandIfullyexpecttheretobeshortagesofqualityfood.Ifyou'relisteningtothisandyou'reatCraftFoodsoryou'reatMcDonald'sorCampbell'sorMonsanto,we'vegotyournumberandyournumberis...

Abel: I'veheardthatthereareshortagesofKerrygold.Peoplehavetoldmethatthey'rerunninglowonalotofthingsthatyouandIbothrecommend.It'sawesometoseethat.

Dave: Yeah,infactwhyisKerrygold$3astick?Itdoesn'tmakeanysensewhatsoever.Itshouldbelike$4or$5astickbecauseit'sbetterthanotherbutterandit'sartificiallycheapcomparedtowhatitdoesforyouonacostpercaloriebasis.Ifyou'repanhandlingandyouget$3.29yougotoTraderJoe'sandyoucanpickupastickofKerrygold.You'vegotenoughcaloriestolastyouforlike3days.

Abel: That'saverygoodpoint.

Dave: It'sjusttoocheap,butanyway.I'mgettingonIwouldsaymysoapboxbutit'smoreofabutterboxtobehonest.

Abel: It'sabutterbox,yeah.Amazingly,you'reabletostandonitthewholetime.Mustbeallthebiohacking.

Dave: Yeah,I'mlevitatingonthebutter.Now,it'sonethingtoloseabunchofweightbutyouguystrackedbiomarkers,right?Wasthispartoftheshoworpartofwhatyoudid?

Abel: Yeah,sotherewasateamofdoctorswhotheywerelookingateverycontestantthewholetimetomakesurethattheirliverenzymeswereokayormakesurethattheirbloodworklookedokaybecausethisisprettystressfulonthebody,especiallywhenyou'relookingatsomeoftheseplanswhicharekindofprettyintense.Whenyou'retakingsomeonewho'sneverdoneanythingclosetojuicingandyou'regettingthemtojuiceanddointenseexerciseatthesametimesometimesitcandriveeveryone'sbiomarkerscrazy,right?Especiallyifyou'recomingfromaplaceofmedicalcondition,sickness,whathaveyou.

Throughouttheentiretimewewereworkingwithadoctormeasuringthat,alsomeasuringbodyfat,thecompetitionitselfbasicallyusedTheBiggestLoserweightlosspercentageofbodyweight.That'showtheyrankedpeopleandtheyrankedthemeveryweeknotoverallsotherearealotoflittlenitpickythingsbutoneofthethingsthatIthoughtwasverypromisingisthatatleastthey'retalkingaboutbodyfatassomethingthatmatters.They'realsotalkingaboutbloodsugarontheshowgoinguporgoingdownwithdifferentplans.Youseesomeonewhoeatsaplanthathasalotoffruitinit,especiallyinthemorning,hegetspre-diabeticononeoftheepisodes.

We'restayingawayfromfruit,myguy'sbloodsugarregulatesrightaway.Hisbloodpressureregulatesrightaway.HewentfrombeingonaboutahalfdozendifferentprescriptionmedicationstoIthinkbyweek3hewasoffeverysingleoneofthem,didn'tneedthemanymore


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andthatwaspurelybyhowhewaseatingandbasicallywalkingwashisexercisewithalittlebitoffunctionalstrength.

Dave: Wow.Howmanyhoursaweekwasheexercising?

Abel: Youknow,whenyou'relookingatthestrengthbasedstuffitwasliterallyminutesandwhateveryouseeinthefitnesscompetitions,thatwasbasicallyallforTVorwhateverbuthewaskindofgettingaworkoutforthattoo.WhenitcomestowalkingIhesitatetocallthataworkoutbutitwasbasicallythat'ssomethinghehastodoeveryday30minutesto60minuteswasgenerallytheclipandhecouldn'tdoiteverydaybecauseoneoftheotherthingswastheywereworkingtheirjobswhilewe'refilming.They'relivingathome.They'renotonsomecamplikesomeoftheothershowslikeTheBiggestLoser.Theydon'thaveunlimitedtimetoworkoutorwhateversothatwasanotherbigpartofit.

Themostpromisingthingwassomeoftheothercontestants,theyweredoing2adays.WehadJ.Lo'strainerand50Cent'strainerJayCardielloontheshowandhewasdoing2adayswithJeffandtheyweredoingreallyintenseexercise,alotofit,andthenKurtandI,we'reeatingcheesecake.We'regoingoutforbaconcheeseburgers,we'renotreallyexercisingallthatmuchatallandwe'redominating.OneofthebiggestthingsthatIwasproudofwaswedominatedmorethananotherelseinthebodyfat.WetookKurtfrommorethan52%bodyfatatthebeginningtolessthan30%bodyfatandthatwassuchamassivedifferencebetweenthatandtheotherplanswhichinalotofcasesfocusedonportioncontrolandcardioassomeaspectoftheprogramandsoyoucanseethattranslatetomusclelosswhichI'msuredoesn'tsurpriseyou.

Dave: Didyoucountcaloriesatall?

Abel: No.AtthebeginningifIhadto...

Dave: I'msorry,thisisjustpoor,thisisjusttoogood.

Abel: Atthesametime,soatthebeginningwhenIgotstartedwithKurtIdidn'twanthimtocountanything.Iwantedhimtoeatbasicallyasmuchashewanted.Atthesametimeit'saweightlosscompetition.Heknowsthathe'sgoingtohavetoeatlessthanheotherwisewasbeforeallthisandeveryoneobviouslywasdoingthatbutIwouldestimateitwasprobably2,000,maybe3,000caloriesaday,quiteabitoffatatthebeginningtogethimfatadapted.Inthefirstcoupleweeksthat'swhatwedid.Thenoverthecourseoftimeoncehebecamefatadaptedhisrelationshipwithhungerchanged.Allthesuddenitwasn'truininghimandsothat'swhenwestartedfocusingonintermittentfasting,especiallyinthemorning.Idialedthefatsdownalittlebit.Wedialedtheportioncontrol,especiallywewerealwayslookingatproteintomakesurethatthatdidn'tgotoohighbecauseasyouknowthatcanwindupbeingsugarintheblood,badbreath,alotofbadthingscanhappenwhenyouovereatprotein.

Wewantedtokeepthattobasicallyjustaportionthatwouldgivehimgoodenergyandalsocombineitwithhegothisveggieseveryday.Hegotbonebrotheverysingleday,too,withbeing


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theoldestguyinthecompetition,verypowerfulforgettingyoubackinaction.Theintermittentfastingcombinedwiththeverynutrient-densefoodandthelackofsugarsallowedhimtobecomefatadaptedandthenatthatpointeventothepointwhenhewasnolongerhungryitbecameeasierandeasierforhim.OneofthethingshesaidtomeoverandoveragainwaslikeIcan'tbelievehowmuchIfilluponthisfood.Originallyhethoughtitwasgoingtobereallyexpensive.Hetoldmeyesterdayhesaves$300amonthonthisgrocerybillnowbecauseheeatssomuch,notnecessarilylessfoodvolumebutlessrandomfoodsthatyou'rereachingforallthetimeandeating.Thatsavesalotofmoney,especiallywhenyou'renotbuyinganyofthatprocessedjunk.

Dave: Ifyouwalkdowntheaisleandseethosebigbagsofairlikepre-poppedpopcorn.There'ssolittlecaloriesandsomuchairinthosefoods.Youeatthem,you'regoingtobeinstantlyhungryafteryoueatthem.They'relike5,Idon'tevenknowhowmuchhalfthatstuffis.Ihaven'teatenitinyearsbutyouwalkdownthataisle,there'sawholeaisleofstuffthat'salmostnocaloriesandatonofmoneyandit'sthemostprofitablefoodforbigfoodtomanufactureandthey'rejustkryptoniteforanyonewhoeatsthem.

Abel: Theymakeyoumorehungrywhenyoueatthem.It'sthebestbusinessmodelever.

Dave: Iknow,Ikeepwantingtoengineersomethingthatmakespeoplestarvingassoonastheyeatit.I'mlikeohwait,theyhavethat.It'scalledDietCoke.WhydoIneedtoinventit?Icanjustbuyshares,right?

Abel: Don'tdoit,Dave.

Dave: Nowyourbookisdoingwell,TheWildDiet'sdoingwell.You'vegotpeopledoing,likeyouandIareinsuchphilosophicalagreementonthenutritionfrontandontheexercisefront.Highintensity,veryoccasionalstuff,andactuallyIwouldsaywhat'snextbutthethingwedidn'ttalkaboutisyoualsoreleasedSwampThings.ImetDennythroughyouandyouactuallyrecordedwithsomebadassrecordingartistsaswell.How'sthatgoingalong?Thenlet'stalkaboutwhat'snext.

Abel: Yeah,ofcourse.SwampThingisthenameofanalbumIdidwithDennyHemingsonwho'sTimMcGraw'sbandleaderandsteelguitar,he'sjustanincrediblytalentedguy.Imethimbecausehewasactuallyalistenerofmyshowandhelostaround50poundsafewyearsagosowejustkeptintouchandwestartedjammingalittlebit.I'vebeenamusicianforawhilebutthenIkindofhungatleastmytouringhatupwhenIstarteddoingFatBurningManandmypodcastingandstuff.Itkindoffulfillsasimilarneedinalotofwaystoperformandbethereandbepresent.ThenIdecidedasyouknowtotakeabitofasabbatical.We'vebeentravelingaroundtheworldforthepastyearlivinginthewoods,doingweirdstuffandpartofthatwasreallyfindingthemuseagain.

Idustedoffmysaxophone,playedsomeNewOrlean'sstylefunk,startedsinginglikeSlyStoneanddoingsomescreamingtunes,too.BasicallywejoinedupwithalotoftheguysfromTimMcGraw'stouringband,Billy,thekeyboardplayer,wealsohaveDinowhoplaysthefiddleand


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guitar,andwewrotesomesongstogether.Itwasanabsoluteblastjustrecordingthatwholeprojectbecausewediditfornoapparentreason.Alotofpeopleespeciallywhoareintheindustryorthey'reperformersorthey'reactorsoralotofthehighperformingpeoplewholistentotheshow,alotoftimesyoudon'tjustgettodosomethingbecauseitseemslikefun,right?

Thisprojectwasjust,theyareworkingreallyhardonhighprofilemusicgigsandI'mworkinghard,I'mwritingmybookanddoingallthisotherstuffandgettingreadyfortheTVstuffandthiswasjustlikegettingtogetherinthestudiogoofingoff,playingguitar,singingsomeNewOrleansstylemusicanditjustkindofcametobe.Yeah,it'scalledSwampThingandit'soldschool,kickyouintheteethrockfunkstuff.It'sablast.

Dave: Okay,yougotaNewYorkTimesbestsellingbook,you'vegotaTVshow,yougotyourmusicthing,you'vegotSwampThing'syourmusicthing.Nudemodeling?Isthatcomingupnext?What'supnext?

Abel: I'llmeetyouhalfway.JustGooglemyname,you'llseemehalfnaked.

Dave: Exactly,thatoneshot.Niceairbrushingbytheway.I'veneverseensomeonewith16ribsintheirabs.Iknowyoudidsomething.No,I'mkidding.

Abel: It'sTheWildDiet,dude.

Dave: No,notatall.You'vealwayslookedripped.What'snext?Whatareyougoingtodo?

Abel: I'malwayslookingforgigs,Dave.

Dave: Alwayslookingforgigs.

Abel: Imean,honestlyIlovetofollowjustthelittlebreadcrumbsoflife.WeirdadventureshavealwaysbeensomethingthatI'velovedtodoandI'mtryingtocheckalotofboxes,getourwigglesoutbeforewegetoldandboringlikeyouandhavekids.

Dave: Didyousayoldandboringlikeme?IthinkIheardyousayoldandboringlikemethere,Abel.I'mmakingthatmyringtonebytheway.Everytimeyoucallmeit'llsaybeforeyougetoldandboring.

Abel: I'mjustalwaysreadyforthenextadventure.Ifanyonewho'slisteninghasanyideashitmeup.

Dave: Allright,wellmaybeyoushouldbecomelikeasculptororapainterandyoucandothetrifectathing,Idon'tknow.

Abel: I'llconsiderthat.Maybewithalittlebitmorebiohacking.


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Dave: Therewego.There'sthisthing,it'sagreatbiohack.It'scalledpaintbynumbers.Idoitallthetime.Allright,Abel,doyoudoadultcoloring?Seriousquestion.

Abel: Adultcoloring?

Dave: Youdon'tknowwhatthisis?

Abel: No,defineadultcoloring.

Dave: You'remissingout,man.Thisisabig...

Abel: AsyouknowI'mverymuchoutoftheloop.

Dave: No,youandIarebothkindofoutofthelooptogether.I'mwithyouthere.Idon'tfollowpopularculture.Infact,IhaddinnertheothernightinLAwiththisgroupofaboutadozenpeopleandtherulewasyou'renotallowedtosaywhatyoudoforalivingandattheendofthedinneryouhavetoguesswhateveryonedoesandtherewerelike5majorTVcelebritiesthereincludingAdamSavagefromMythbustersandJenniferthewomanwhoplaysthedoctoronHouseandallthesepeople.Ididn'tknowwhoanyofthemwereatall.I'mhavingdinnerwiththesepeoplehalfwayandtheyallknowwhoeachotherare.I'mlikemanI'mliketheleastcoolpersonhere.I'mwithyouthereandIforgotwhereIwasgoingwiththiswholelineofquestioningbecauseyoudistractedmewith...

Abel: Adultcoloring.

Dave: Allright,herewego.TheonethingIpickedupprobablyfromFacebookandthenfrommywifeisadultcoloring.Whatthisisisthere'sthesepeoplemakingadultcoloringbooks.Infact,myfriendMorgansentmeoneofhersandyoujustgetcrayonsorcoloredpencilsandyoucolorinanadultcoloringbookandthat'swhatyoudo.

Abel: Okay.Icanseewhythatwouldbeawesomeactually.Workwithmeforasecond.YouknowoneofthethingsthatIdo,especiallyifI'minterviewingalldayorIneedtobeperformingatahighlevelis,youknowthisbecauseI'vespokenaboutit,Ikeepguitarsaround,pianosaround,anythingthatcanswitchintorightbrain.Thatwillallowyoutobasicallyhittheresetbutton.Alotoftimesitcangetridofthestress.Itgetsridofallthoseloopsthatarerunningthroughoutyourheadallday.Thatstuff'skindofbuzzingaround.Itallowsyoutogetridofthat.Icanseethatworking.IprefertheguitartocoloringbooksbutIcanseewhythatwouldbecool.Haveyoutriedit?

Dave: Youknow,Ihaveandoneofthethingsthat'sreallyimportant,infactoneofthethingsthatI'vetrainediscalledthedefaultmodenetwork.Youhavethisactivemodenetworkwhichiswhatyourbraindoeswhenyou'redoingsomething,whenyou'refocusedonsomethingandweusedtobelieveuntilaboutlike7yearsagothatyouwereeitherinactivemodeorindefaultmodewhichiswhenyou'renotdoinganything.Youbrainstilldoessomethingbutit'sdoingthedefaultmodestuff.Whenyourcomputerishavingtodoitdefragsitsharddriveandstufflike


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that.Whattheyfoundoutwasit'sactuallyaslidingswitchsoyou'realwaysalittlebitindefaultmodeandalwaysalittlebitinactivemode.It'sjustaquestionofhowmuch.

NowthatwehaveFacebookandnowthatwehavealertspoppingupallthetimeandallthesedifferentdistractionsandconstantmusicstreamingyounevergetabreak.Yourbrain'sinactivemodewaytoomuchofthetimeandifyoucoulddoanythingthatswitchesyoubacktodefaultmode,andforyouit'smusic,forsomeoneelseitmightbedoodlingorgoingforawalkwithoutyourphone,thewholenaturewalkthing,alotofthatisactuallyaboutgoingintodefaultmodesomywifegotmeanadultcoloringbookforChristmasandI'mlikethisisgreat.I'vecoloredexactlyaquarterofonepictureinitbecauseIhavekidsandassoonasyoudoanythingtheyinterruptyouanyway.

Abel: Youcouldjustgetthemtodoitforyou.

Dave: Exactly.Wehavetophotocopyitsotheycancoloritoverandoverbutit'scoolbecauseit'slikemandalasandveryintricatethingsandyougetintherewiththelittlecoloredpencilbutthatreallydoesturnonyourdefaultmodeandassoonasIturnonmydefaultmodebecauseI'vetraineditthatway,allthegoodideasstartcomingout.NewproductnamesandthingsI'vebeenwaitingtodo,stuffthatwasjustwaitingforaperiodtocomeout.That'swhereinspirationcomesfrom,that'swherecreativitycomesfrom.You'vegotyourguitarandthat'scool.

Abel: Anythingthatyoucando,Ithinkit'sasymptomactuallyandmaybeIdorecognizethosebecauseIthinkIsawthoseonliketheAmazonbestsellerlist.

Dave: Yeah,theyare.It'sahugetrend.Ihadnoidea.IopeneditatChristmasandI'mlikeacoloringbook?Really?Gee,thanks.Thatwasmyresponse.

Abel: IfanythingIthinkit'sasymptomofhowdesperateweareasasocietyandcultureforsomethinglikethatthatalotofpeople,welookbackatourparent'sgenerationandcertainlyourgrandparent'sgeneration.Theywentfishing.Theyfixedcars.Theywentforwalks.Thereweretimesofsilence.Youhadtowaitforadialtoneonthephone.Therewerelotsofmomentsthroughoutthedaywherewehadthatlittleswitchofsilence.Everythingwascool.Wedon'tgetthatanymore.Everything'sbuzzing,loopingatusandwe'rehyperconnectedsoIthinkthefactthatadultcoloringbooksaresopopularrightnowisasymptomofthefactthatweneedtobealittlebitmorehonestwithourselvesaboutwhatitmeanstobehuman,whatitmeanstobeinagoodstatethroughouttheday.

Ithinkifwe'rehonestwithourselveswe'llrealizethatweneedtodownregulateeveryonceinawhile.Weneedtotakethoselittlebreaks.Weneedtogoforthatwalk.Weneedtoexperiencenatureaswell.

Dave: I'mafullsupporterofadultcoloringandIdothinkthatyournextact,Abel,isthefatburningcoloringbook.It'sjustpagesandpagesofcloseupsofbaconandyoucanfillinthecolors.Thisisyoursecondbestseller.It'scoming.


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Abel: Anyonewho'slistening,youguysallknowwhatI'mdoing.Davenailedit.

Dave: It'salwaysfuntogettohangoutwithyouandalsotogettohaveashowwithyouandIdowanttodigalittlebitmorein.You'vebeenontheshowacoupletimesbeforesolongtimelistenersdefinitelyknowofyouandofyourworkandallandwe'vegottenkindofdeeponsomesciencestuffbefore.Onething,though,Inoticedthat'sdifference,I'mwearingmyrockstarsunglassesandIintroducedyoutoHelenIrwinawhileback.

Abel: Youdid.

Dave: YouhadsomeIrwinlensesandforpeoplelisteningwhohaven'theardmetalkaboutthisbeforethesearespecialglassesthataretintedtoremovecolorsthatmybrainhasahardtimeprocessing.IhavealotmoreenergyandI'msittinghereunderneathourstudiolightsthatlookgoodbutthey'rereallybrightandI'mgoingtofeelgreatattheendofthedaybecauseIworemyglasseseventhoughIlookalittleweird.Abelnormallywearsglasseswhichmakehimlookevenmorelikearockstarthanhealreadydoes,maybeabitmorelikeZoolanderbutI'mcooleitherway,man.Justkidding.

Abel: I'llgowithZoolander.

Dave: You'renotwearingthemtodaysowhathappened?

Abel: I'mnotwearingthemtoday.Somebodyactuallysatontheminfrontofmeandyouknowthathavingcolor-correctedglasseslikethat,especiallyfromErlin,they'renotnecessarilyeasytobreak.

Dave: No,they'rehard.

Abel: Thatfirstpsychologicaltorturethatyougothroughforhoursandhoursonend,thatwasnotsomethingIwasreadyforortogothroughbutIgotthelenses,theywerefreakingawesome.Ijustneedtoreordersomeatthispointbecauseseeingthem,ithappensallthetime.Yourfavoriteglasses,nomatterwhattheyare,theygetcrushedeventuallyandsothat'soneofthe,okayhere'soneoftheproblemswithbeinghomelessforaround2yearsisnothavingaphysicaladdressthat'spredictablemakesithardtoactuallygetthingslikethat.Thegoodnewsisthatwe'reverysoonmovingbasktoAustin,TexasandIcan'twaittohavesteadyinternetagain.It'sbeenhardtodoallofthisstuffwhilewe'vebeentravelingaroundtheworld.Wetoalargeextenthavegottenalotofourwigglesout.Ithinkwe'llbehappyhere.

Dave: Austin'salovelyplace.Yeah,IthinkI'mgoingtoopenupaBulletproofcoffeeshopthereprettysoonsoI'lltakecareofyou.IhavesomanyfriendsinAustin,somanysupporters,Iloveit.

Abel: That'swherewemetthefirsttime.

Dave: Yeah,that'sright.


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Abel: BackinthedaywhenDaveAsperywasanobodyweweregeekingoutoverbaconandcoffee.Wemadesomehorriblevideoaboutvegansorsomething.

Dave: Ineverpublishedit.Itwascalledareyoupaleo-sexual?Rememberthat?Itwasavideoofattractiveyoungpeoplesayingohmygod,Iwouldneverhavesexwithsomeonewhodoesn'teatmeatbecauseIwanttobewithsomeonewho'sfertile.ItwaslikeaPETAcampaignwheretheyhadliketheseemaciatedmodelsandsuperskinnyonesgoing,youcouldtellthey'resohungrylikeIwouldneverhavesexwithamanwhoatemeatandIwantedlikeyoung,vibrant,healthy,muscular,Cross-FitpeopleandyouandAllisonarejustbeautifulpeople.I'mlikeallright,youguyshavetobeinthisvideo.IneverpublisheditbecauseIactuallynevergotaroundtodownloadingthecontentandIcouldn'tedititbecauseIdidn'thavetimebutitwasagoodideatojustdrivehomethepointthatpeoplewhoareeatinghealthyfoodaremorefertileandmoreattractiveandhavebetterpharomonesandbetterhormonesandallthat.YouguysjustfitthebillforthatsoIdidaskyoutovolunteerforthat.

Abel: Itissofunny.Whenyoulookatalotofthoseconferences,certainlytheBulletproofconference,whenpeoplelosetheirinflammationspecifically,whentheylosethatandespeciallywhentheylosealittlebitoffatit'sthedifferentbetweenbeingsuperattractiveandbeingkindofaverageho-humorwhatever.Youseeitwithactorsandactressesallthetime.MattDamonissomeonethatjustkindofswingsbackandforthbetweenbeingthiskindofdoughyinformanttype,whichallowshimtoplaytherolereallywelltoBourneandbeingabletobebothofthosethingsisreallyinterestinginactingbutwhenyoulookatyoureverydaylifesometimesyougototheseconferencesandyou'rejustlikewow,thisiswhatthe1%lookslike.

Dave: SomebodywrotethatatthelastBulletproofconference.Idon'tthinkyoumadeittothelastone,didyou?Youwereouttraveling.

Abel: No,wewerefilmingfortheTVshow.IwaslikeDaveI'msorry,Ican'ttellyouwhyIcan'tmakethisone.

Dave: Yeah,that'sright.Itwentfromtheonewhereyouspokeattheonebeforewheretherewere500peoplethereandthenthisonetherewas1300peopleandsothisyearwe'relookingatprobably2500wouldbeagoodguesssoIwasreallyimpressedandit'stherenotasaprofitconference.It'sthereliketoletpeopleexperienceallthegoodstuffandjustmeeteachotherandifwebreakevenI'mlikethankgod.Thisone,though,whoevertheNewYorkTimesoroneofthepeoplewasthere,they'relikeeveryonehereisprettyandamodelanditwasalmostlikealittlebitbackhanded,thecomment.Itwaslikeitwasstaged.It'sonlyfortheprettypeopletypeofthingandit'slikeit'stheopposite.Ihavestretchmarkscoveringlike2/3ofmybody,likebig,fatstretchmarks.

Abel: Weshouldjustsendthemourbeforepictures.

Dave: Yeah,wetotallyshouldbecauseyouweregettingprettychunkythere,too,right?


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Abel: Oh,mygod.Mybig,fatface.IlookedlikeIateanelforsomethinglikethat.Ihadthatsoftgut.Ihadthatbig,round,puffyfaceandverypale.Lookingatthepicturenowyoudon'tfeellikethesameperson.Youreallydon'tbutIthinkthatthat'soneofthemostpowerfultestamentstothefactthatalotofthiseatingstyle,thestyleoflivingreallyworksforpeoplewhenyoulookaroundandyouseeeveryonehasthatcolorintheirface.Theyhavebrighteyes.They'rewithit.It'sjustasignthatyou'reintherightroom.

Dave: Thebeforeandafterpictures,youusedthemontheshowandyouhaveyourown.MyfavoriteoneisIwasanEntrepreneurmagazinewhenIwaslike22,23andnoonethinksit'smebecauseIhavearashonmyfaceandit'ssuperroundandI'mwearingglassesandthechinsandIlookatitandI'mlikeIcan'tbelievethatthatwasinamagazine.It'sliketheworstpictureeverandI'mlayingonthefloorinadoubleXLt-shirtthatImanufactureandit'sjustlikeugh.IlookonlineandpeoplearelikeDaveAsperywasneverfat.I'mlikedude,youdidn'tseethepictures.It'ssofunnybecause...LikeIwastalkingwithDr.Drewwho'saBulletproofcoffeefanandIwasamazingwhenIfirstwhenontheshowIthoughthewasgoingtotakemeapartbecausehedoesn'tlikesupplementsverymuch.Iwaslikeoh,no.

HewaslikeDave,Bulletproofcoffee,itchangedmylife.Iloveit.I'mlikethisisamazing.ThereasonI'mbringingthisup,Ihaveagoodreasonforbringingitup,isthebeforeandafter.IwentinonthisshowacoupleyearsagoandwhenIwentinthistimeafterjustyearsofthisandI'vebeendoingmorebiohacksandallandhegoesDave,thefirsttimeIsawyouyoulookedlikeaguywho'dlost100pounds.Hegoesnowyoulooklikeaguywho'sneverbeen100poundsoverweight.

Abel: Ithinkthat'strue.Youdolookdifferentthanacoupleyearsago.Evenhangingoutpersonallyyoulooklikeyou'vebeenatthisweightforalongtime.

Dave: Thankyou.Iappreciatethat,Abel,andImaybelessawareofitbecauseIdolookinthemirroralmosteverydayandifthere'snopodcastmyhairwouldprobablystandstraightupifIdidn'tlookinthemirrorbutthat'scool.WhatIfindisgoingonthereisthatthelongeryouturnoffinflammationthelongeryousupportcollagenproductioninthebodyandthelongeryoudothisIthinkthechangescanhappenoverthecourseofyears.SomeofthesciencethatIdon'tthinkwe'vetalkedaboutbeforeonthisshow,ittakesabout700daystoreplace75%ofyourcellmembranes,justtoreplacethefatinthembecausethere'sacellmembraneturnoverinthebodylikethat.Ifyoudothisforalongtime,okayifthehalflifeiswhatever,350daysforturningthisstuffover,inordertoget90or95%ofthefatoutofyourcellsfromwhenyouwereeatingcrapittakeslike5years.

I'mfeelinggoodandIamlookingbetterthanIhaveandI'mamazedbutIalsothinkthatKurt,theguythatyoujustcompletelyrockedhisworldforandhopefullymillionsofpeoplewhoseethatshowarelikeohwait,maybeIshouldthinksomethingbesidesexerciseandlowfat.Hugeimpactonthatstuffbutit'snotaboutlosingtheweight.It'snotaboutwhathappensinthefirst30days,althoughthat'simportant,orthefirst90or100oreventhefirst6monthsorthefirst2years.Ifyoudothisfor5years,youdothisfor10years,youdothisfor20yearsyouenduplookingmorelikeMarkSissonthanyoudoanyoneelse.Ithinkwe'rebothfriendswithMark,too.


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Helooksfreakinggreatandhe'sbeendoingitforlike20yearslongerthanme.I'mlikelookatthisguy.It'samazing.

Abel: Hejustgetsmoreandmoreshreddedeveryyear.

Dave: Yeah,it'sprettycool.It'sallofhisprimalmayo.Thatstuffislegit.

Abel: That'sright,thatstuffisreallygood.

Dave: Totally.Well,Abel,doyouhaveanythingthatyouwanttotellalloftheBulletproofnationlisteningtoyouhere?Anythingsthatweshouldknowabouttheshow,aboutTheWildDiet?What'sonyourmind,man?Youalwayshavegoodstufftosayandthisisanopenmic.

Abel: Iappreciatethat.Idon'thavearantbutIdohavesomethingthatIhopeispositiveforpeople.OneofthebestthingsaboutworkingupcloseandpersonalwithsomeonelikeKurtisthathewasgoingfromzeroto1.Hewasprettymuchlikeabinarychangebutforthoseofyouwhohavebeenlisteningforalongtimeandmaybeyou'vestruggledtoputsomeofthestuffintoactionjusttakeaquicklookatKurt'sbeforeandafterfor14weeks.TakeaquicklookatsomeoftheotherBulletproofandWildDietbeforeandafterpicturesandknowthatifyoujustputsomeofthesethingsintoaction,ifyouactuallydoiteverydayyoucangetpowerfulresultsthatwouldshockyouandshockeveryone.

Asmuchaswelovetalkingaboutscienceattheendofthedayformostpeopletheyjuststruggletoputitintoactionwhentherubbermeetstheroad.Dothesesuperboring,reallyunsexythingslikegettingtonsofsleep,letthatbeyoursecretweapon.Eatyougreenseveryday.Drinkwater.Dothereallydumbthingslikethatandalsoifyouthinkthatyouhavetobehungryandmiserabletolookgood,tofeelgood,ortobeinthebestshapeofyourlifegivethatupforever.Starteatingmorebutter.Startditchingthesugarinparticular.Combinethosethingsatthesametimewhenyoustarttodialinyournutritionandespeciallywhenyoudoitforalongperiodoftimelikeyoustarttoseethebenefits,justkeepaddingon.Ifyou'reonthefenceandyou'relisteningtothis,justdoit.

Dave: Wellsaidmyfriend.IwouldhighlyrecommendpeoplelisteningcheckoutTheWildDietand,Abel,youandIaren'talonehere.There'sawholecommunityofpeopleoutthere.There'sJimmyMoore,there'sJonathanBaylorwhowroteTheCalorieMyth,DavidLudwigjusthittheNewYorkTimeslistalongwithyouIthinkatthesametimewithAlwaysHungry.Whoelseshouldpeoplepayattentionto?Whoelseisinthehighfatmafia?Let'sjustshoutouttoallourfriends.

Abel: LikeGaryTaubesissomeonewho'sbeenthereforalongtime.

Dave: Yeah,WhyWeGetFatandWhatToDoAboutIt.Right,right.

Abel: Youknowwhat?WhenIwasupdoingthatshowtheywantedtoblastusthewholetimeforbeingthisextremeguy,givepeoplediseases.Theywantedtomakefoolsofusonnational


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television.Whenwewereupthereitwaslikeyoucouldfeelthepowerofallthesepeoplebehindyou,likeMarkCissangoingrun,DaveAsperygoinglikeyes,andalltheseothersmakingallthesewins,butteriscool.Ijustwanttosayifanyonewatchedtheshowthankyousomuchfortweetingatusandkeepingintouch.Likeyousaid,it'sacommunity.It'snotjustus.Basicallyalotofpeoplewhohavebeenonyourpodcast,alotofpeoplewhohavebeenonmypodcast.Wecomefromasimilarwayofthinking,especiallyasitrelatestofatandtheimportanceofitinourbodies.

Knowthatwe'redefinitelynotalone.Infact,Ithinkourlittlecorneroftheinternetisstartingtotakeovertheworld.I'mstartingtoseeitpopupinmainstreamallthetimeandthat'sreallygoodnews.

Dave: Itis,indeed.Abel,myfriend,keeponfightingthegoodfight.I'vegottoaskyouthefinalquestion.I'vealreadyaskedyoutwiceyourtop3mostimportantthingsforkickingmoreass.I'mgoingtobreakalltherulesbecausethat'sjusthowIroll.I'veneverdonethatbefore.I'mfeelingallexposedhere.Whatarethe3worstthingsyou'vedonetokickmoreass?Inotherwords,whatarethe3thingsyou'vedonetokickmoreass?Like3massivemistakesyou'vemade?I'veneveraskedthisonebefore,Ijustmadeitupbutit'sagoodidea.

Abel: Okay,3mistakesthatI'vemade?

Dave: No,3thingsthatkeptyoufromkickingthemostass.Inotherwords,Ialwaysasktheglassishalffullsowithyouwe'regoingtogotheglassishalfempty.Whatarethethingsyoudidthatcompletelyscrewedupyourpathtoprogressthatyouhadtorecoverfrom?Thingsthatotherpeoplecanavoid.Helpmenotwalkintosharpthingsthatyouwalkedinto.

Abel: Number1,beingaperfectionist.Neverbeaperfectionist.It'ssomuchbetter.Onethingthat'samantrathatIwriteinmyjournalonceinawhilewhenIgetfreakedoutIwriteI'dratherbeprolificthanperfect.Thatissomethingthatcanbeverypowerful,especiallyforalotofthetypeApersonalities,thehighperformersthatarelisteningtothis.That'sreallypowerfulmedicinethatweallneedtohearmoreoftenthanweprobablydo.Number2,Iactshysometimes,Iwasalwaysashykid.Ithinkyouwere,too.We'vetalkedaboutthisbeforeandsonotlettingthatbesomethingthatseparatesyoufromsuccess.Youstillhavetogetoutthere.YouneedtomakeyourselfuncomfortableandsoI'llsaynumber3,beingcomfortable.WhenwehavesuccessIthinkalotofusarejustlikewellI'llgetallofthestuffofmydreamsandthelifeofmydreamsandeverythingwillbetotallycoolanditwillbeawesome.

Infact,ifyouevergettoapointlikethat,andIhopeyoudo,you'llrealizehowtremendouslyunfulfillingthatisbecauseyouneveractuallyarrive.Thereisnothereandsometimesit'sbestwhenyougetintoasituationlikethattoactuallymakeyourselfuncomfortable.Yousawthathappentomeandaroundme,Dave,whenyoustayedwithmeinthatbigplaceinAustin,drivingaroundaPorscheorwhatever.Soldallthatstuff,madeourliveshard,scrabble,livingoutofatrailerforayearafterthatinthewoodsandcarryingourwater,stufflikethat.Sometimesreallifebegsforanadventurelikethatsomakeyourselfuncomfortableandmakethatahabit.


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Dave: Thatsoundedlikeapositivething.

Abel: Beingcomfortableisnegative.

Dave: Allright,thereyougo.Embracingdiscomfortispositivewhichistheoppositeofnegative.

Abel: SeewhatIdidthere,Dave?

Dave: I'mallconfusednow.Abel,it'salwaysapleasuretohaveyouontheshow.It'salwayscooltogettohangout.Iwanttoseeyouatnextyear'sBulletproofconference.That'dbereallycoolsolet'sseeifwecanfigureoutsomekindofnewthingforyoutotalkaboutandIthinkthat'dbealotoffun.Asalways,keepfightingthegoodfight.PeopleIthinkalreadyknowwheretofindyou.You'reFatBurningManoniTunesandfatburningman.comaswellasTheWildDiet.DoyouhaveaspecialURLforyourbooklikethewilddiet.comorsomething?

Abel: Wilddietbook.com.

Dave: It'sfunny,Ithinkeverybodydoesthatbulletproofdietbook,wilddietbookandit'sbecausesomebodystolethewilddietaheadoftime,right?

Abel: Exactly.

Dave: Yeah,samethinghappenedtome,man.Pissedmeoff.Whoeverstolethosethingsyougivethemback,allright?No,I'mjustkidding.

Abel: We'vegottheSEO,Dave.

Dave: Fairpointandneitherofusiscomplaining,right?WebothhavehadachancetohelpliterallymillionsofpeoplesoyoukeepdoingitandIlookforwardtothenexttimewecanchat.

Abel: Dave,thisisawesome.Thankssomuchforhavingme.

Dave: Ifyoulikedtoday'sepisodeyouknowwhattodo.HeadonovertoAmazon,pickupacopyofAbel'sbook.Whileyou'reatit,pickupacopyofmybookandpickupacopyofsomeotherbooksthattellyouallthegoodstuff.Wejustnamedafewofthem.I'dalsogiveashoutouttoMarkHyman,J.J.Virgin,andabunchofotherjustamazingfriends.Allofusareoutthere,weactuallyallknoweachotherandweallmeetwitheachotherandwe'reallworkingasasecretteamtogetthisknowledgeouttherebecausehonestlyIwanteveryonedrivingaroundmetobeonahighfatdietanditdoesn'thavetobeTheBulletproofDiet.ItcanbeAbel'sdiet.Itcanbeanyhighfatdietbecausethey'relesslikelytodriveintomycarfullofmykids.

Justatabaselevelthismatters.Iwantyoutohelpusgeteveryoneeatingmorebutterandthat'sjustawinforusall.Whileyou'reatit,checkoutbulletproof.comandgetsomecoffeetoobecausethat'dbeawesomebutaddmorebutter.Allright,that'senough.I'mgoingtogetoffmybutterbox.Haveanawesomeday.


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