Transcript – Wellth of Knowledge with Jason …...invited Jason on the show today is that he just has a new memoir titled "Wellth," as in W-E-L-L-T-H, "How I Learned to Build a Life,

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Transcript – Wellth of Knowledge with Jason Wachob - #335

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Today'sguestisJasonWachob.He'sthefounderandCEOofmindbodygreenandifyou'reonline,you'veprobablyseensomeoftheirstuffbecausethemindbodygreenwebsitegetsabout15millionvisitorsamonth,whichisprettycool.Theircontentisallaboutbringingtogetherleadersinfitnessandmedicine,health,spirituality,andnutrition,andthemissionandJason'missionasthefounderofmindbodygreenistoredefinesuccessfulliving.ThereasonthatI'veinvitedJasonontheshowtodayisthathejusthasanewmemoirtitled"Wellth,"asinW-E-L-L-T-H,"HowILearnedtoBuildaLife,NotaResume."Ithinkhehasalottoofferyouontheshowtodaybecausehe'salifestylehackerwho'sspendingalotofattentiontowhatmakeshimperformbetter.Jason,welcometotheshow.

Jason: Thankssomuch,Dave,it'sanhonor.

Dave: YouandImetinpersonatyourannualconferencethatyoustreamlive.IthinkIgaveatalkthere,ifmemoryserves.Yeah,Idid.

Jason: Yes.

Dave: Ididgiveatalk,andjustgottohangoutwithallsortsofcoolpeoplethatyouhangoutwith.IthinkImetEmilyFletcherthereaswell,ifmemoryserves,andevenacoupleofpeoplethatarenowmembersoftheBulletproofteam,soIappreciatethatyoupulledtogetherthesenicegroupsofveryinfluentialpeoplewhoarepayingalotofattentiontohowtheworldaroundthemaffectstheirbiologyandjusthealthandwellnessingeneral.Whatdoes"wellth"meantoyou,though?It'saninterestingtitle.Youspell"wellth"wrong.WhatiswellthwithtwoL'sversusthewealththatWarrenBuffet'spayingattentionto?

Jason: Ireallybelieveinthisideathatit'stimetoredefinesuccessfulliving.Tomewellth,W-E-L-L-T-Histhewayweshouldbethinkingaboutit.Ialwaysstartwith,lookIlikemoney,butthere'smoretolife,andIbelievetruehappiness,truesuccess,isthisblendofmental,physical,spiritual,emotional,andenvironmentalwell-being,andthatlifeisaboutabundance,notjustpureriches.Althoughonceagain,nothingagainstmoney.Ilearnedthatthehardway.Istartedoutasanequitiestrader,andsawveryquicklythatmoneydidnotbuyhappiness.Iwentonmyownpersonalhealthjourney,andcametothisnewdefinition,whichissomethingI'mpassionateabout.

Dave: YouandIarekindofcutfromthesamecloththere.IrememberImade$6millionwhenIwas26.Iwaslike,"Thisisgreat."OfcourseIlostitwhenIwas28.Ialwayssaythat,andpeopleeditthatout.It'slike,"No.Ifeltit,andthenIdidn'thaveit."IremembertothisdayallIhadtodo


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waswalkintotheCEO'sofficeandsay,"Iquit,"andIcouldhavetakenmy$6million.InsteadwhatIdidisIsaidI'mgoingtokeepworkingforthecompanyeventhoughthestockpriceistankingandI'mnotallowedtotradethestockwhileIworkthere.Iwatchedmy$6milliongoaway.

ThereasonIdidthatwasthatIknewthatifonlyIhad$10million,I'dbehappy.Thatwasmythinking.Thatisexactlyinalignmentwithwhatyou'resayingthere.It'saboutabundance,butmostpeople,especiallyifyou'reyoungerandalotofyouraudienceismillennialswithmindbodygreen,ifyou'reyounger,you'relike,"Okaythere'sallthisstuffIwant.Iwantfreedom.Itrequiresmoney."Whattheydon'tteachyouinschoolandanywhereisthat$75,000,that'sthepriceofhappiness.

Jason: Yep.WeallgetcaughtupinthisideaofkeepingupwiththeJones's,especiallyhereinNewYorkandI'msurewhereyouare,whereforsomepersonit's10,butonceyougetto10,wellthenextguy'sgot50.Lookatthehousehehas,orlookatthewife,orlookatwhateveritmaybe.Itbecomesverydangerousveryquickly.

Dave: It'soneofthereasonsIliveonVancouverIslandbecausehereweusuallycompetetoseewhetheryouroldbrokendownVolvowagonsmellsmorelikerawmilkthansomeoneelse's.Justkidding.IdoliveinahippyareawherekeepingupwiththeJones'sislessofanissue.Itravelathirdofthetime,andIhangoutwithallkindsofpeople.You'reright.Youcangetcaughtupinthat,"I'vegottohavethenewestTeslarightnow,"kindofthing.Itstressesyouout,andyou'rehappyforlikefiveminutesafteryougetit,andthenit'slike,"What'snext?"

Jason: It'sabalance,youknow?Ibelieveingoal-setting.I'mgrowingabusinesslikeyou'regrowingabusiness.It'simportanttosetgoals,it'simportanttoworkyourassoff,it'simportanttoachievegoals.Atthesametime,it'sthisprocessofbeinggratefuleverystepalongtheway.That'shard.

Dave: Letmeaskyouthisthen.Whatgetsyouupeverymorning?Whydoyoudothis?

Jason: I'llgiveyoumyquickbackground.Fast-forward,IwenttoColumbia,Iplayedbasketball,becameanequitiestrader.IbecameanequitiestraderbecauseIdidn'thavemoney.Backthen,thiswas1998,ifyouwantedtomakemoney,youdidthreethings:Youbecameadoctor,ifyouhadgradesandaptitudeforscience,youbecamealawyerifyouhadgradesforlawschool,andifyouhadnoneoftheabove,youwenttoworkonWallStreet.Ididn'thavegradesoranaptitudeforscience,soIbecameanequitiestrader.Mybestyear,mysecondyear,Imade$800,000.Iwasabletopayoffallmyschooldebt,wasabletobuymymotheracar.HereIthoughtthatwasalotofmoney.Iwasmiserable.Iwasmiserablebecausearelationshipwasfallingapart,andtalkaboutacontrast.HereIammywholeyoungadultlifelookingforthisthing,Ithinkit'sgoingtobringmehappinessandfreedom,andIwasmiserable.

Wentonthisjourney,becameanentrepreneur.Variousbusinesses,alotofthemdidn'twork,andfoundmyselfrunningastart-upaboutsevenoreightyearsago,flying150,000milesdomestic.Youcan'ttell,butI'm6'7",you'reabigguytooDave.

Dave: Oh,yougotthreeinchesonme.That'sapain.


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Jason: Sittinginacoachseat.It'snotfun.Combinedwiththestart-upwasn'tdoingwell,Iwasstressed

outofourmind.Twoextrudeddisksinmylowerbackpressingonmysciaticnerve,basketballinjurycombinedwithflyingandstress.Excruciatingsciaticainmyrightleg,Icouldn'twalk.Wenttoadoctor,hesaid,"Youneedsurgery,non-negotiable."Isoughtasecondopinion,andIhavenothingagainstsurgery,IjustsawitassomethingIgenerallydon'twanttodo.Backsurgery,thesuccessratesisn'tactuallythatgood.Hesaidthesamething,hesaid,"Youneedbacksurgery."Itwasalmostlikeanafterthought,hesaid,"Youknow,maybesomeyogaortherapymighthelp."Isaid,"Okay.I'lltrysomereallylightyoga."Startedtodoaboutfiveto10minutesinthemorningandtheevening.Istartedtofeelbetter,andstartedtolookatthingslikestressandsleepandnutritionandtheenvironment,andstartedtomakeallthesechangesinmylife.Overaboutsixmonths,Icompletelyhealed.Ineverhadbacksurgery,andI'mfine.

Dave: Wereyoustillanequitiestraderwhenyouweredoingthis?

Jason: Thatwasgone,Iwasrunninganotherstart-up,anorganicchocolatechipcookiecompanythatwasineveryWholeFoodsMarketinthecountry.200WholeFoods,backinlike2008.Icompletelyhealed,andIstartedtogodownthisrabbithole.Iwaslike,"Holycow.Everyonehashealthwrong.Everyprintmagazineleadsyoutobelieveit'saboutvanityandweightloss,andtheInternetisdominatedbypeopleGooglingforsymptomsandfreakingout,runningtotheemergencyroom."Isaid,"It'smorenuanced,it'sEasternmeetsWestern.It'smoreholistic,it'sthisblendofonceagain,mental,physical,spiritual,emotional,environmentalwell-being.Noone'stalkingaboutthis."

That'showmindbodygreenlaunched,andourmissionistohelppeoplelivetheirbestlife.Wehaveapointofviewonthat.Wehaveapointofviewthat'snarrowandthatwebelieveit'sonceagainthisblend.Wealsoareopentowhateverworksforyou.Thatisourmission,that'swhatgetsmeupeveryday.It'sexciting.We'rechanginglives.Thereisamediacompany,there'salwaysbettercontent,morecontent,morethingswecanoffer.That'swhatkeepsmegoingandgetsmeexcitedeverydaytocometowork.

Dave: It'sadifferentthingthangettingupeverydaytodosometradesintheequityfield.Alotofpeopledon'tknowIusedtodoatonofoptionstradinganddaytradingandthingslikethiswhileIwasworkingintech.It'slikeconstantlychasingthis,like"YesImadesomemoney,butIaddedzerovaluetoanything."

Jason: Exactly.Iactuallylikedtrading.Asanathlete,Ilovedtrading.Iwasacompetitiveguy.Absolutelyright,attheendofthedayIwaslike,"I'mnotreallycreatingvaluehere."Ialsohavenoskillset.I'mgoodatthisonething,butthatdoesn'tmeananythinganywhereelse.Yeah,Ireallywanttohelppeopleandseeingachangeinmyownlife,andinthejourneymeetingpeoplelikeyourselfwhohaveamazingstoriesandareinspiringonadailybasis,that'swhatkeepsmegoingeveryday.

Dave: Let'szoominonyourbookalittlebit.Iwanttotalkabout,youhavedifferentchaptersinhere,andcertainlythebigstructureI'dagreewith.Youtalkaboutstepsandbasicprinciplesinthebook.Kindofbreakitdownforme.


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Jason: Icameupwiththesepillars:eat,move,live,breathe,love,work,believe,thank,heal,ground,I

thinkIgotlaugh.IthinkImayhavegotmost,IthinkIgot11rightthere.

Dave: That'sprettygoodmemory.Iwasjusttestingyourworkingmemory,andyoupassed.

Jason: WellbecauseofhavingBulletproofeverymorning.

Dave: Oh,areyounow?That'sawesome.

Jason: Yeah,everymorning.It'sthisideaofbuildingalifeandlookingatyourlifeholistically.Tome,beinghealthyisacombinationofmultiplethings.Itgoesbeyonddiet,althoughIthinkdietplaysahugerole.Ifyou'renothappyinyourrelationship,ifyou'renothappywithfriendships,ifyou'renotconnectingtonature,Ithinkallthesethingsareinterconnected.Reallywantedtodiveintoeachelementofhealthandwellness,whichIthinkarevital,andI'veexperiencedthatinmyownpersonallife.

Dave: Okay.Tellmeaboutwhatyoudidwithyogaandyourback.Ithinkalotofpeopleareinterestedinthat.IgetpeoplewithbackinjuriesallthetimecomingtoBulletprooforjustaskingme,andI'vehadlotsofissues.Iactuallyhavespinabifidaocculta,whichmeansthelowerpartsofmyspinedidn'tfuseallthewaybecausemymomdidn'tprocessfolicacidverywell.[inaudible00:14:51],whatdoyouknow?It'sgenetic.There'snosymptomsfromitotherthanmaybemylowbackisalittlesoresometimes.Talkaboutyourstory.Whyyoga,whatformofyoga?Whatdiditdoforyou?

Jason: Sure.IthinkthebackpainactuallyprobablystartedincollegewhenIwasplayinginmyjunioryearwhenIstartedtohaveweirdhamstringpain.Whenyoudon't,everythingisthelowerback,somethingIdidn'trealizeatthetime.Thenthepainstartedtoreoccurtowardsmybutt.Thenitjustwentfurtherandfurthersouthtomytoesandmylegwasalightningrod.Atthetime,surgeryseemedlikeitwasaseriousoptionthatIwaswillingtoconsider,butsawitasalastresort.Isawyogaasthisthingwhereheyitmightwork.I'llgiveitashot.Ifitdoesn'twork,I'llgetsurgery.I'llbefine.Rightaway,mentallyI'mstartingtothink,"Nomatterwhathappens,I'mnotgoingtobeacripple.I'mgoingtobeokay,"whichinretrospectIthinkwasverypowerfulinthishealingprocess,thisideaoflettinggoandbeingpositive,andthere'ssciencetosupportthat.

Istartedreallylight,likefivetotenminutes,fourorfiveexercises,recliningankletokneewasmygo-to,standingforwardbend,justdofivetotenminutesmorning,evening.Wouldn'tgotoapublicyogaclass.Ifoundsomestuffonline,andjustkeptondoingit.Startedtofeelthepainsubside.OnethingI'velearnedaboutbackpainisthefurthersouthitgoes,theworse.Thefurthernorthitgoesandthemorelocalizeditbecomesorclosertobeinglocalized,thebetter.Rightaway,Istartedtofeelthebackpainstarttocomeup.Istartedtofeelbetter.Rightagainmentally,I'msayingtomyself,"wowthere'sprogress."Onceagain,reallybeneficialinthehealingprocess.Itsuckswhenyou'redoingsomethingandthere'snoprogress,butthentoseetheprogress,positivereinforcement.


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Itwasreallythatsimpletobehonestwithyou.IrememberIhadthismomenttoinsortofmyspiritualawakening,Iwasgoingtoseeamassagetherapistandshewassayinghowthelowerback,therootchakrawastiedtostressandmoneyworries.Iwaslike,"Holycow.Wow."I'mblownaway.Theworries,themoney,Ididn'thaveany.Itjustallmadesense.YouknowwhenyoulookattheseNewAgethingsandallofasuddentheyhithomeandthenyou'relike,"Ohmygod?"Ihadoneofthosemoments.Thatjustledmedownthispath,andIdidn'tevengotoapublicyogaclassforlikeayear.Iwasafraidtogo.

Dave: Howlongafteryoustarteddoingyogadidittakeyoutobuythosespandexyoganickers?

Jason: Never.Couldn'tdoit.Never.IwearaT-shirtandshorts,that'sit.

Dave: Igottosay,Idon'thaveanyofthatSpandexstuff.Ididprettyadvancedyogaforfiveyears,andIdidbuythemalenon-spandextightLululemonyogapantsthatarereallystretchy.They'reactuallywaybetterthansweatpantsforyoga.Igottosay.They'renotlikenickers,andthey'renotthespray-onyogapantsoranyofthat.Thereissomethingtobesaidforthat.Tellmeaboutyourfirsttimeyouwenttoayogaclass.Nowyou'vebeensecretlywatchingYoutubeorsomething,doingyogaathome,whathappenedwhenyouwalkedinthefirsttime?

Jason: ThefirsttimeIwentwasactuallyTaraStyle'sclass.Mywifewentfirst.Mywifewouldbemyguineapig,shewouldgotestitout.ShewenttoTaraandMichael'sstudio,Strala,andshewenttoaclass.Isortofcaughttheend,I'mpeekinginthewindow,lookslikeIcandothis.Thenafterclass,andIhadknownTaraandMichaelonlinejustbrieflyinsocialmediabuthadnevermetinperson.ThenafterclassIwentin,andwestartedtalking.MichaelandTaraconvincedme,"We'renotgoingtohurtyou.We'vegotpeoplewithbadbacksbefore,"anditseemedgentle.ThenIaskedColleenafter,mywife.Shesaid,"Youknow,Ithinkyoucandoit."IreallystartedpracticingyogainpublicclassesatStrala.Istartedtogoeveryday,andStralaisverysimilartoaniceeasyVinyasaflow.Ilivedthereforlikeayear.Itwasfantastic.

Dave: That'sacoolstory.Iwassimilarly,"Idon'tknowifIreallywanttogotoyogaclass."Thiswasabouttenyearsago.ThereasonIwentisthatI'mdatingthishotSwedishblondedoctor,who'snowmywife.She'sinSweden,andshe'slike,"Youshouldtakeupyoga."Prettymuchwhenyou'renewlydatingsomeoneandtheytellyoutodosomething,you'relike,"Okay."Shesaidsomethingtomethatwasreallyhelpful.Shesaid,"Dave,myadviceisthatyoufindayogateacherwho'sextraordinarilyattractive."Igo,"Really?Why?"Shegoes,"Soyou'llgotoyogaclass."Whichwasvery,verywise.IfoundacuteyogateacherinMountainView.EventuallyafterthefirstclassIwaslike,"Itactuallydoesn'tmatter."Iwoulddoyogaprobablyfournightsaweekandonceontheweekend.Thesearehour-longclasses,anditmadeadifferenceforme.

FormeIalwayshadfeararoundmykneesbecauseIhavehadthreesurgeriesononeknee.IhadascrewinmykneeandI'mlike,"Ireallydon'twantanymoreinjuries."Justlikeyou,afterdoingthisforawhile,alotofpaingoesawayeventhoughthere'sthisriskoflikeifIsitonmykneesforawhile,Imightnotbeabletowalkforaday.That'sbeenthecaseformesincehighschool.Allofasudden,Icansitonmykneesmeditating,anditdoesn'tmatter.It'skindofmiraculous,right?

Jason: Yeah,andIhaveissueslikethattoo.I'vedislocatedmyshoulders,mykneesarestiff.I'vegotan


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anklethat'smessedup.Allthesethingstoo,andyogamybackwasthebigthing,butallofasuddenIstartedtogainmobilityinmyshoulders,andIstarted...

Dave: It'snicetohaveamobileshoulder.

Jason: Inmyknees,andeverything,itallstartedtocomeback.Ibecameahugebelieverinyogaandstillpracticetothisday,largelyathomethough.

Dave: Iliketothinkaboutpracticingyogaathome.

Jason: Well,there'sabenefittothat.

Dave: No,I'mactuallyworkingonhavingateachercomeouttothelabs.I'mruralenoughthatI'mnotinapositiontospend15minutesdrivingsomewhereand15minutesdrivingbackatatimethatworksforthem,whereit'sjusttoomuch.I'mactuallyholdingminiclasseshereatBulletproofLabs,whereIhaveafewfriendscomeoverandhaveateachercomeover,soIcangetbackintoit.

Jason: Ilovethat,andthat'sthebeautyofthepractice.Mypracticetoday,Idotwiceaweekfor15-20minutes,andthat'sallIneedandit'sfantastic,andIthinkthat'spartofthewellnessjourney.Youfindwhatworksandyouworkitintoyourlife,andthenyouevolvewhenyouneedtoevolve.

Dave: Whatdoyouthinkaboutusingyogaasapowerworkout?

Jason: Ithinkit'sfantasticifyoufindtherightteacherandclass,butit'sallabouttheteacherandclass.Ithinksometeachersandclassesjustaren'tefficientandothersaregreat.

Dave: It'ssomethingthatishardtoexpressforpeople.Thequalityoftheteachermatterssomuch.Irememberonetime,thiswasbackinMountainView,CaliforniainSiliconValley.I'vealwayshadahardtimewhereyousitwithyourlegsstraightandbendforward,probablybecauseofmylowbackfusionthing,butI'mtall,you'retalltoo.It'sbeenoneofthemorechallengingthingstobendforward.Oneday,Ihadateacher,hisnamewasTonyJeanetti.Anyhow,hewaslike,"Justtiltyourpelvis."Justsaidthisoneword,andIgainedfourinchesofforwardfoldwiththatonelittlewordhesaid.I'dbeendoingyogafortwoyears.Ididn'thavethecontrolsystemswhereIdidn'tknowmybodywoulddothat,soIneveraskedittodothat.It'sthatlearningprocess,itactuallychangesyourbrain.Ithinkit'sfascinatingstuff,I'dliketodomorewithitthanIdonow,butthere'slotsoffascinatingthingsouttherethesedays.

Allright.Let'stalkaboutaligningworkwithyourvalues.Thisissomethingthatyoumusthearthiseveryday.Iheariteverydayfrompeoplesaying,"Idon'twanttodothisanymore.Idon'tlikethiskindofjob.Iwantajobthatalignswithmyvalues."Theythink,"ThatmeansIhavetogostartacompany."Ithinkmostpeoplearen'tcutouttobeentrepreneurs.Ittakesacertainkindofbrainandacertainpersonalitytypeandacertainpredilectioninordertodoit.Whatdoesitmeanwhenyouwriteinyourbookthatmakeyourworkalignwithyourvalues.Whatareexamplesofhowpeoplecandothat?


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Jason: Ithinkitdependsontheperson.Itotallyagree,mostpeopleshouldnotbecomeentrepreneurs.

Ithinkunlessyouarecomfortablewithuncertainty,adversity,ambiguity,risk,Ijustthinkmostpeoplearenotbuilt,period.Iwouldhighly,highlydiscourageit.It'sfunnybecauseIthinkin1998whenIwenttobecomeatrader,WallStreetwasglamorizedandtodaywe'reintheageofSiliconValleyonHBOandstart-upsandentrepreneurs,andit'ssexyandunicornsandallthatstuff.It'snotthewaythingswork.

Dave: Therearealotofwant-repreneursoutthere."Iwanttodoitbecauseit'scool,"butattheircore,mostreallysuccessfulentrepreneursbecomeentrepreneursbecausetheycan'tnotbecomeentrepreneurs.Theygetfiredfromeverythingelse.I'mcertainlylikethat.Iwasintra-preneurwhenIwasinSiliconValleybecauseeventhenIcouldn'tdothebigcorporatethinguntilIwasprettyold.IfinallytemperedmyselfwhereIcouldmakemyselfdoiteventhoughIdidn'tlikeit.

Jason: Right.Iagree.Ithinkwe'reprobablysimilarinthatway.Aligningworkandpassion,Ithinkitstartswithonedoingadeepdive.Whatareyoupassionateaboutinlife?Whatareyougoodat?Sometimesthat'smoreofanexternalthing,like,"I'mpassionateabouthealthandwellness."That'sgreat.Ithinkyouneedtogodeeper.Areyoupassionateaboutconnectingtopeople?Areyoupassionateaboutcrunchingnumbers?Areyoupassionateaboutbeingcreative?Ithinkyouhavetodrilldowntowhatyoureallylikedoing,andtrytobuildalife,buildacareeraroundthat.Sometimesyoucanfindthatinajob,andIthinksometimesyoucan't.That'sokay.Ithinkifyou'rereallypassionateabouttravelortryinggreatrestaurants,thentheremaynotbeajobouttherethatthatfitsintothejobdescription,butyoucancertaintycreatethatlifebyfindingajobthatgivesyouthetimeandtheresourcestogotogreatrestaurantsandtravel.Ithinkit'sabitofamix,andyouhavetoreallydosomeintrospection.Whatdoyoureallyenjoydoing?Whatareyougoodat?

Dave: Didyoueverthinkaboutbecomingayogateacher?

Jason: Never.Never.

Dave: ThereasonI'maskingthatisthatalotofpeoplewhentheyfirstdiscoveryogathey'relike,"Wow."That'soneoftheproblems,Iactuallydidlookintobecomingyogacertified.Ispentfivedaysaweekdoingthisanyway.Imightaswellgetpaidforit.IfeellikeIhavesomethingtoofferpeople.IwaslookingatAnusara,whichisaformofyogathat's...

Jason: JohnFriend

Dave: Yeah,exactly.DoyouknowJohn?

Jason: Notwell.

Dave: Notpersonally?

Jason: Yeah.


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Dave: Yeah,thisisanoptiononIyengaryoga,butit'sacouplethousandhoursofteachertraining.It's

ahardcoretraining.Iwantedthephysicalchallengeandthebenefitofdoingit,butcomeon.I'manentrepreneurinSiliconValley.I'mavicepresidentofcloudsecurity,thingslikethis.There'snowaythatI'mgoingtomakealivingwhereIcanaffordfoodasayogateacherlivinginabigcity.

Jason: DoIseeBulletproofYogaintheproductpipelinedowntheroad,Dave?

Dave: No.Idon'tthinkso.There'ssomanygoodyogateachers.Idon'thavetodothatone.Ireallydidthinkaboutthisyearsago.Samethinglikemassagetherapy.It'snotagoodfitforme.Ilikegettingmassages,andIlikeworkingasahealer.Iknowallsortsofweirdhealing.Alotofbio-hackingstufftouchesthat.ThisisIthinktheproblempeoplestrugglewith,andkindoftellingsomepersonalstorieshereandsoareyoubecauseyouwriteaboutaligningworkwithyourvalues,butifyourvaluesare,"Ireallyloveyoga,"orlikeyousaid,"Ireallyliketogooutandeatatrestaurants,"you'reprobablynotgoingtobearestaurantreviewerbecausewehaveYelpandit'sfree.Sorry.It'sjusthowitis,despitethefactthatYelpmightextortthoserestaurantsbydeletingthepositivereviewsunlessyoupaythem.Yelpwe'rewatchingyou,weknowyoudothis.

Whatwouldyousaytosomeonethough,let'sjustpaintastereotypicalpersonwho'searlyintheircareer,25-28,somewherelikethat,andthey'relike,"Look,Ihaveajob,andmybosstellsmewhattodoeveryday.Idon'treallylikeit.IwanttodowhatIlove."Rightnowit'slike,"WellIshouldgooutandstartacompanyandliveinThailandandworkacouplehoursaweek."Whatwouldyousaytosomeonewhohasthatplanversusalltheseotherthings?

Jason: God,I'dsayacouplethings.OneisIdothinkagoodplacetostartistoaskthequestion,"WhatwouldIdoifIdidn'tneedtomakeanymoney?"WhatwouldIdoforfree?WhenIstartedmindbodygreen,Ididn'tmakeanymoneyforthreeyears.Iwasmarriedatthetime,mywifewasveryunderstanding.Askthatquestion.ThenIthinkyouneedtoasksomepragmaticquestionstoo."CanImakealivingdoingthis?Whatdoesthatlooklike?"Ifyou'reyoungandsingle,you'vegotalittlemorefreedom.Ifyou'renot,youdon't.Ithinkit'simportanttobepragmaticaboutit.Ithinkit'simportanttoaskpeople.LinkedIn,oneofthegreatesttoolsever.Findpeoplewhoaredoingwhatyou'redoing,andseeifyoucanconnectwiththem,ormaybeyouhaveafriendandaskrealquestions.Dotheylikewhatthey'redoing?Aretheyearningmoney?Askthosetypesofquestions.

ThenthreeIthinkthere'ssomethingtobesaidforgainingreal-worldexperience.Ifsomedayyouwanttobeabio-hacker,youwanttobeanentrepreneur,theyshouldprobablyworkforyou,Dave,first,beforeyoudecidetogotoThailandandstartacompany.There'sknowledge,there'sexperience.That'sthebestwaytolearn.Don'tjustjumpoutofthegate.Ithinkit'ssorareyoucanbesuccessfuldoingthat.

Dave: IthinkMarkZuckerbergalmostdidtheworldadisservicebecausehe'slike,"Look.Istartedthiscompany."Bytheway,thefirstFacebookserverswereatmycompany'sdatacenters.Bam,weweretherebackwhentheywere"TheFacebook."Here'sthething.Hewasphenomenally


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successfulandisreallygoodatwhathedoes,butthat'sanexampleofaunicorn.Iseeallthesepeoplewhohavenoapprenticeship,nomentorshipatall.They'relike,"I'mjustgoingtostartacompany."It'slikewalkingintoafanthat'srunning.

Jason: Andburningatthesametime.

Dave: Nice,exactly.Howdidyoulearntobecomeanentrepreneurthough?Equitiestradersgenerallyaren'tgoodentrepreneurs.Whotaughtyou?

Jason: Wellsobeinganequitiestrader,therewasalotofentrepreneurialspiritthere.IhadmyownPNL,therewasalotoffreedom.Iendedupleavingandtradingmyownmoney.Therewasalotoffreedomthere.Partofitwas,thereweremomentsintimewhereIthoughtaboutgoingbacktothe"establishment."Ijustcouldn'tgetajob.Insomewayswasanaccidentalentrepreneur,andstartedtogainexperience,firstitwasinhealthcare,andthenconsumerproducts,andthatgotmeintowellness.ThenwhenIgottomedia,itsortofstartedatscratch.Look,ittookthreeorfouryearsbeforeIthoughtmindbodygreenhadachanceatbeingsuccessful.IthinkpartofthatreasonisIdidn'thaveexperienceinmedia,probablywouldhavehappenedalotfaster.IthoughtIwassmart,I'llworkmyassoff.I'mpassionate,I'llfigureitout.Sureenough,Idid.I'msureluckplayedaroleinit.

Ibelieveinexperience.Ibelieveinreal-worldexperience,alotofthestufftheycan'tteachyouinschool,whetheryougotoHarvardBusinessSchoolorwhathaveyou.Havingmentors,havingreal-worldexperienceisinvaluable.That'ssomethingI'vegained,andit'sstillsomethingI'mworkingon.IhaveagreatmentornowI'mworkingwith,andIknowIdon'thaveallthesecrets.That'simportant.Ithinkthemomentyoustopseekingtobebetterasanentrepreneur,asaperson,inlifeandinbusinessissortofwhenthemusicstopsandit'sover.

Dave: Yeah.It'sverywellsaid.I'mthinkingbackoneofmyveryfirstcompanies,itturnsoutwasthefirstcompanytoeverdoE-commerce.IsoldacaffeineT-shirtoutofmydormroomoversomethingcalledUsenetbeforetheworldwidewebwasinvented.Itturnsout,that'skindofagroundbreakingthing.Isoldtheseshirtstoadozencountriesanditwasbornoutofdesperationbecausetheyraisedtuition.Itturnsoutitwasby900%.IwentbackandIdidthemath.Iusedtothinkitwas1500%.I'mlike,"Ican'taffordthis.Mysummerjobdoesn'tpayformycollegeanymore,soI'mgoingtostartthisthing."Itworked.

IfIhadacceptedtheabundantoffersofhelpfromsuccessfulentrepreneurs,IwouldhaveprobablygonetoSiliconValleyandstartedsomeVistaprintorsomesortofamazingcompany.Ididn'tdothatbecauseIwasactuallytoostubbornandangrytotakeonmentorship.Forpeoplelisteningtothis,it'slike“justgooutanddoitonyourown,”isprobablynotagoodstrategy.Gooutandfindsomeonewhojustabsolutelykicksassatdoingwhatyoulove,andoffertosweepthefloor.Youlearnmoredoingthatthanyouwilldoingityourselfandwalkingintothebuzzsawafewtimes.

Jason: Yeah,andit'shard.I'velookedformentorsforyears,andtobehonestalotofthemaren'tthatimpressiveonceyoumeetthem.Ithinkthat'salotofthechallenge,whereyougrowasacompanyyougrowasaperson.I'mhappytosayIfinallyhavesomeonewho'sfantasticand


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who'sreallybeenincrediblysuccessfulandpassionate,butittookawhiletogetthere.Ithinkthat'stheproblemtoo.Weliveinanage,lookeveryone'spassionateaboutwellnessandself-improvement,andtherearecountlessnumbersof25-year-oldlifecoaches.Ilovethatpeoplearetryingtobepositiveandhelpotherpeople.That'sfantastic,Ithinkthat'sgreat,butonsomelevel,istherereallyknowledgeandexperiencethere?Probablynot.Weliveininterestingtimes.

Dave: Verywellsaid.There'sanawfullotoflifecoachesoutthere.ImeanIruntheBulletproofCoachTrainingprogramthere.OneofthethingsthatIlookforareusuallypeoplewhohavesufferedalittlebitbecausehavingtolearntoovercomesomething,whetherit'sfinanciallyorfromapersonalperformanceperspectivelike,"Mybraindoesn'twork,"whateveritis,itsometimesgivesyouenougharrowsinyourbacktobeasuccessfulcoach.Thenthere'sthecoachingskillsthemselves.I'malittlefrustratedwhenyouseepeoplelike,"I'mjustgoingtohangoutashingleandcallmyselfalifecoach."WhenIfirstgotreallyseriousaboutthisentrepreneurstuff,wellI'veactuallyalwaysbeenkindofseriousaboutit,butIjuststartedlookingatpersonaldevelopmentstuffgoingbackmorethan10years.Ihiredthreeorfourcoaches.Theseguysare$300anhour.It'skindoflikeyou'resaying,IrealizedafterIwasacouplethousanddollarspoorer,I'mlike,"Youknow,theydidn'thaveanythingthatIdidn'thave."

WhatIreallyshouldhavefoundwassomeonewhohad20or30yearsmoreexperiencethanmeandwaswillingtoshareit.Mostofthosepeopleyoucan'tbuy.Ifyoucan,it'sa$10,000engagementforamonth,andtheycomeinandspendtwodayswithyou.Man,there'salotofvaluethereifyougettothepointinyourcareerwhereyoucanbringinsomeonewho'sstartedacompanythatgrewto$100millioninthreeyearsanddoneittwice.I'mworkingwithaguylikethatrightnow.Okay,that'scool.

Jason: It'sfantasticwhenyougetone.It'sreallygame-changing.

Dave: Wellwegotofftrackalittlebit,butthat'spartofwhat'sactuallyinyourbook.Yourbookisverybroad-reaching.Youtalkabout,thatwasyourworkchapterwe'regoingthere.Ilooktogivevaluetopeoplewhoarelisteningtotheshow,andIfigurethatthat'sanareawheretheycanbereallyhelpful.Let'sswitchgears.Youtalkaboutmeditationandyoutalkaboutthechaptercalled"Feel,"abouthowtheconceptofenergyisrealandhowitaffectsyourworkandlifeenvironment.AreyousomekindoflikeaNewYorkhippy?Imean,energyisreal?I'mkidding.Whatis"energyisreal?"Whatdoesthatmeantoyou?Describethisenergy.

Jason: Ithinkwe'veallhadthosemomentswhenyou'vebeeninaroomanditfeelstense.Yeah,youcancutitwithaknife.ThestoryItellinthebook,thisisasfarfromNewAgeaspossiblyyoucangointhisstory,IwastalkingwithmyoldbasketballcoachatColumbiaArmontHill,whoisnowwiththeLAClippers.IwastalkingaboutviolenceintheNFL,andjustgettinghistakeonitasaguy,hisprofessionalsportsworld.Hesaid,"Youknowlook.Theseguyspracticeviolence.Thinkaboutit.Howcanyouturnthatoff?"Hesaid,"Youknow,I'vebeeninroomswithNFLplayers.Youcanfeelit,man."Youknowwhat?He'sright.Ithinkwe'veallhadexperienceslikethat.Ithinkwe'vehadexperienceswhereyou'vebeeninroomswithpeoplelikeyourselfandinspiringpeopleinthewellnesscommunitywhoaredoingamazingthings,andyoujustcan'thelpbutfeeltheenergy.You'reuplifted,andit'sgreat.


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Weallhavethosefriendswhothere'sthatfriendyouhavewhowheneveryouseehimorher,they'rejustalwayspositiveandupbeat,andyou'relike,"Youknow?IwishIcouldseethispersonmoreoften."Youjustcan'tfeelnothingbutjoy.ThenIthinkweallhavefriendstoowherethey'rejusttheDebbydowner.Hopefullywedon'thavealotofthosefriends,andhopefullywe'reslowlyeliminatingthem,butyougettogetherandit'sonecomplaintaftertheother,andtheconversationjustgoessouth.Youjustwalkawayfeelinglike,"WhydidIdothisagain?"

Dave: Yeah,Ijusttookabeatingoverdinner,right?

Jason: Yeah,like,"Ithoughtweweregoingtotalkaboutme.Whathappened?"Sure,friendshiphasupsanddownsandthere'sgiveandtake,butthat'swhatImeanbyenergy.Itispalpable,specificallywithrelationships.I'mabigbelieverinwhoyouhangoutwithreallysetsyouupforsuccessandviceversaifyou'rehangingaroundthewrongpeople.Ithinkthere'struthtothisnotionthatyou'reacombinationofthefivepeopleyouhangoutwithmost.

Dave: Asyoubecomemoresuccessful,itbecomesharderandhardertohangoutwithreallysuccessfulpeoplebecausethey'realltoodamnbusy.

Jason: Yes.

Dave: IlookbackatmyWhartonclass.Ihaven'tseenmostofmyWhartonfriends.IE-mailthemoccasionally,butweseeeachothermaybesomesubsetofthemmaybeonceayear,ifeventhat.Howdoyougoabouthangingoutwithpeoplemoresuccessfulthanyoubecauseyou'realreadyprettysuccessfulwithmindbodygreen.

Jason: Sure.Youknow,it'squality.It'strust.Theinnercirclebecomessmaller.Ithinkinyour20s,theinnercircleisprettybig.Weallrecallgoingtothatfirstweddinginour20s,andit'slikeeveryone'sinvitedandeveryone'sthere.I'm41now,Ithinkyourcirclestartstoshrink.You'vegotfamilyobligations,yougotworkobligations.Ithinkitbecomesmoreaboutqualityversusquantity.

Dave: Itdoes,andthat'sagoodobservation.WhenIsaid"moresuccessfulthanyou,"Ihopeit'sreallyclearthere,Imeanmoresuccessfulatsomething,notnecessarily,"Ionlyhangoutwithpeoplewhohavemoremoney,"islikethebiggestassholethingyoucouldeverdo.

Jason: Yeah.Tomeit'sabouthangingoutwithpeoplewhoareinspiringanddoingincrediblethingsintheirlifeandsuccessinthat,whetherit'sthebeautyofmindbodygreen,ouroffice,communityisatthecenterofwhatwedo.Everyday,someone'scominginthere.Itcouldbesomepersonwho'sayogainstructorthatnotalotofpeopleknow,buthe'sgotanamazingpersonalstory,andthatpersoncomesinandyou'retalkingtohim,andyoujustgetamped,oracelebritywho'sincrediblypassionateaboutactingandbeingthebesttheycanbe.Oradoctoranentrepreneur,Ithinkthosepeopleeveniftheinteractionisnotfrequent,thequalitythatyougetoutofthatconversation,thatinteractionisjustfantastic.Tomeetwithpeoplewhoarelivingtheirpassion,livingtheirbestlife,inspiringpeople,itcan'thelpbutruboffonyou.Thequalityisjustsoimportant.


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Dave: It'ssomethingthatIspendalotofmyfocusonasanentrepreneur,especiallybecauseIliveina

moreruralarea.It'slike,ifI'mgoingtogosomewhere,I'mveryconsciousabout,"OkayhowdoIgettoyou?”Rightbeforewestartedrecording,Iwaslike,"Ohthat'sright,you'reinNewYork."Iliterallysentanotetomyassistantsaying,"OkaynexttimeI'minNewYork,JasonandIaregoingtohangout.We'lldoarecordingatmindbodygreen,we'llhavedinner,whatever."IactuallynowhavealistinallthecitieswhereItravelthat'slikeokayhere'sthepeopleIwanttogospendtimewith.Thatissomethingthatnooneteachesyoutodothatinschool.Yourparentsprobablydidn'tteachyoutodothat.Ifyoubecomeconsciousaroundthis,youendupbuildingcommunityandenduphavingthesepeopletherethathavethekindofenergythatrubsoffonyouandthathopefullyyoucanbenefitaswellinthoserelationships.

Jason: It'sabsolutelycritical.Thefriendswillchange,andthecommunitywillchange.It'sabsolutelycritical.There'snotenoughtimeinthedayperiodtodowhatyoudoandIdo,andsoyoujusthavetobesuperconsciousofyourowntimebecauseattheendoftheday,youwillnotbesuccessfulifyou'renottakingcareofyourself.Ifyou'retakingcareofeveryoneelseandtryingtomeeteveryoneelse'sdemands,you'retheonewho'sgoingtosuffer,andeveryonesuffers.You'renotgoingtobeabletofulfillthemission,they'renotgoingtobehappy.Thenit'sjustterribleforeveryone.

Dave: It'samazing.Thisisoneofthosethingsyou'renotgoingtolearnasafirst-timeentrepreneurinyourmid-20s.You'reinadifferentstageinlife,andthere'stheEriksonianstagesofadultdevelopmentandallthatstuff.Ishouldtellyou,Iwishsomeonehadexplainedtomewhat'sgoingtohappenwithyourrelationshipsovertimeandhere'showyoucultivatethemandallthat.It'sfunny,I'msurethatifIaskedmydadwho'sinhismid-70snowthesamething,noonetoldhimwhatwasgoingtohappenbetween25and35eitheror35and45orwhatever.Honestly,Ihaven'treallyaskedthatmanypeoplewhathappensbetween43whereIamnowand53.NowthatIthinkaboutit,I'llaskacouplepeoplebecausethey'veprobablylivedit.

Jason: Theyhave,andthere'scertainthingsthatIremembersomeonetoldmeonetime,"Nothinggoodhappensafter,"andinsertstimeatnight."Nothinggoodhappensafter9:00or10:00,"andthesethings.I'msureIhadtofindthoselessonsoutthehardwaybeforeIstartedtorealizethat.

Dave: Areyouoneofthosemorningpeople?

Jason: Notreally.Iwakeuparound6,6:30.

Dave: Youwakeupinthemiddleofthenight.Iknewit.Ijustdidapostyesterday.Itlookslike40%ofpeoplearenotmorningpeople,andthe60%ofpeoplewhoaremorningpeopletrytodosleep-inshaming.NowI'vejustrebelledagainstthat,andIbecamea5a.m.riserfortwoyearsjusttoprovetomyselfthatIcoulddothis.ThenIrealizedonedaythat,"Youknowwhat?That'snotnaturalformybody.Itjustisn't."IhavealongCircadianwindow,andI'mwayhappier,andIsleepbetterifIsleepinalittlebit.IdeallyI'dwakeuparound8:30or9,butIhavekidssoIwakeupcloserto7:30.IstayuplateandIgetmybestwritingdoneafter11.I'mworkingonmynextbookrightnow,soIstayuplate.


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Youwakeupearly.I'mgoingtoaskyouthisbecauseyoudohealthandwellness,youdoallthis

stuff.Ithinkpeoplelisteningwanttoknow,whatdoyoudointhemorning?Youwakeuparound6:30.Doyoumeditate,doyouringcrystalbowls?Ihavenoidea.Givemeyourmorning.

Jason: MywifeandIactuallydon'tsetouralarm,andourofficeisthreeblocksaway.Sometimes,6:30willgoto7:30,butusuallyontheearlyside.FirstthingIwilldoonmostdaysismeditate.Iwillbrushmyteeth,gobacktobed,situpstraight,andIpracticeVedicmeditationortiem,mantraoverandover,20minutes.

Dave: Nokids,then.

Jason: Nokidsyet.Wewillsoonhopefully.

Dave: Bytheway,getreadytogiveupyourmeditationpracticeinthemorningonceyouhavekids.

Jason: Yeah,I'veheardthat.

Dave: It'scalledthekneeinthegroinwhileyou'resleepingmeditation.I'vegotthatonedown.

Jason: We'llmeditate.Mywifewilljoinmesometimes,sometimesshewon't.Ifforsomereasonwe'rerunningkindoflate,wedon'tmeditate.Nextthingwedoisbreakfast.LikeIwassayingtoyouearlier,I'vebeendoingBulletproofcoffeeforthepastthreeweeks,whichhasbeenfantastic.What'sfunnyformetherehasbeenI'vealwaysbeensuchabigbreakfastguy.Breakfastlikeaking,lunchlikeaprince,dinnerlikeapauper.Thisisabitofanewthing.I'vebeenfeelinggreat,I'mhugeBulletproof.

Dave: Hasitchangedyourmeditation?I'mcurious.Doyoufeeladifference?

Jason: Ialwaysmeditatebefore.

Dave: Oh,before.Okaycool.

Jason: YeahalwaysbeforeIputanycaffeineorfood.Thenwedothat,andthenwealwaysgettheprinteditionoftheWallStreetJournal.I'lllookatthewebsite,I'lllookatworkE-mailimmediately,seeifthere'sanythingpressing.Thenwejustwalktowork,whichisreallynicetodoasacouple.Ourofficeisthreeblocksaway,andsowejustrollintoitandgetgoing.

Dave: Doyouexerciseinthemorning?Doyouexerciseeveryday?What'syourdealthere?

Jason: Ohwait,there'sonekeythingIforgottomention.ThefirstthingIdo,beforeIevenstartmeditationisIrepeatthewords"thankyou"silentlyoverandoverinmyhead.Bigbelieverinagratitudepractice.BeforeIevenbeginthemeditation,themomentIopenmyeyesandI'mawakeandIseemywifeandwe'rehere,Ijust,"thankyou,thankyou,thankyou.Thankyou."BeforeIdoanything,Idothat.I'vedonethatsinceIwasalittlekid.Mymotheringrainedthatinme.Ichangeallthetime.Currently,Imeditateeveryday.Idon'talwaysdotwiceaday,butI


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nevermissaday,soI'malwaysgoingtodoonceaday.IfImissthemorning,I'lldotheafternoonorviceversa.

TherewasaperiodinmylifewhereIdidyogaeveryday.Whathappenedtherewasmindbodygreenstartedtogrow.Istartedtoworkmoreandmore.Myeverydaybecamethreedaysaweek,andthenitbecamethreedaysamonth.ThenallofasuddenIsaid,"Whathappenedtomyyogapractice?Allthiswellnessismakingmesick.I'mmakingeveryonebetter,butwhataboutme?"Icametotheconclusion,Isaid,"Look.Workisn'tgoingtochange.What'smorerealisticthanmehoppingonthesubwayforanhourandahalfyogaclassandcarvingoutthreehoursdoor-to-doorisI'mjustgoingtostartahomepractice."NoweveryweekendonSaturdayandSundayIdoahomepractice.15,20minutes,Inevermissit.Idothat.Imeditatedaily.

TherewasaperiodwhereIgotbackintoweights.Wehaveagyminourbuilding.Istartedtoliftweightstwiceaweek,doingoncesetforeachbodyparttofailure.Quick,20-minuteworkout.LatelyI'vebeendoingpush-upsandsit-upsanddips,gettingbacktobodyweight.Dothattofailure,doitacoupletimesaweek.Thatseemstobeworkingfornow,andI'mnotboredwithit.I'llseewhat'snext,socurrentlyIdomypush-ups,mysit-ups,mydips.Idoyoga.Imeditate,andIwalkalot.Thatseemstoworkforme.Untilitdoesn't,andwe'llseewhat'snext.

Dave: Constantchangeispartofit.

Jason: Yeah.

Dave: Wellwe'recomingupontheendoftheinterviewhere,butyouhaveonemorechapterinthebookthatwehaven'ttalkedabouttoomuch,butyou'vetouchedonitthreeorfourtimes.Youhaveachaptercalled"Love."Youtalkabouthavingsupportive,healthyrelationships.Youactuallygointosoulmates.Tellmeaboutthethreetypesofsoulmates.

Jason: Ibelievewehavemultiplesoulmates,threetypes.Ibelievetherearetworomantictypesandonenon-romantictype.ThefirstkindIbelieveistheonethatwe'resupposedtobewith,buttheonethatisn'tsupposedtoworkout.It'stheonethatprobablypushesyourbuttons,it'stheonewhereyouhavethatsuperpassionate,fieryrelationship.It'stheonethathelpsyougrowasaperson.Atthesametime,it'stheonethatisamomentintimethatyou'reprobablynotsupposedtobewithforever.Ithinkthey'repainful.That'swhatI'veseeninmyownlife.I'veexperiencedthis.Ithinkwe'veallprobablyhadthatonewayoranother.ThenIbelievethere'stheforeverkind.Ibelievethatthere'sthatonethatoneandonemakesthree.Ithinkwiththefirstkind,oneandonemaybemadeoneandahalf.Maybetwoonagoodday.Ithinkthefirstkindprobablybringsoutyourinsecurities.Ithinkthesecondkindeliminatesyourinsecurities.

Ithinkthesecondkindistheonethathelpsyoudevelopasthepersonyou'resupposedtobeandtogethercollectively,youarestronger.Ibelievethattobemywife,andwehaveafabulousrelationship.Nottosaythatkindiseasy.Relationshipsarehard.Theyrequirework.Thefriendswhoarealwaystherewhenweneedthem,they'rethepeopleinpassingthathaveseriousimpactsonourlife,whetherthey'rewiththerightcommentattherighttimeorbeingthereatthatmomentwhenweneedtoheartherightthingattherighttime,orit'sthatinstancethat's


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happenedsomanytimestome.Youhearonethingfromthepeopleclosetoyouoverandoverandover,butthey'resoclosetoyou,youdon'tlisten.Thenyouhearitfromanoutsider,allofasuddenthenboom.Ithitsyoulikearocketship.Finallyitsinksin.

Ithinkthosetypesofsoulmatesareabundant.Ithinkthey'reeverywhere.Ithinkthat'sthebeautyoflife.IthinktheoverarchingthemewithsoulmatesisIthinkweneedtoreframethem.Ithinkonceagainit'soperatingfromaplaceofabundanceandnotscarcity,andthat'showIchoosetolookatsoulmates.Ithinkthere'slotsofvariousopinionsonthisone.That'showI'veseentheminmyownlife.OnceagainIdon'tbelieveyounecessarilyneed,Ithinkasoulmatecanhelpyoubecomeabetterpersonanditcanhelpcompleteyouinsomeway,butinnowayamIsayingthatIthinkyouneedsomeoneelsetocompleteyou.Onceagain,you'llneverbehappyifyou'renothappywithyourself.

Dave: I'vehadlotsofpeopleaskme,"HowdoIfindasoulmate?"Yougotanyadviceforpeopleonthat?

Jason: Youknow,Ialwaysstartwithworkonyourself.

Dave: Greatanswer,man.

Jason: You'renevergoingtobehappyinarelationshipifyou'renothappywithyourself.Becomethepersonyouwanttobe.Idobelievelikeattractslike.Otherrulesofthumb,Ithinkgotoplacesthatyoulike.IfyoulovelivingahealthylifestyleandyouliveinLA,gohangoutatBulletproof.GohangoutatWholeFoodsMarket.Gohangoutatplaceswhereyou'regoingtofindlike-mindedpeople.Probablynotgoingtofindyoursoulmateatabarat2a.m.I'msureithappens,butit'srare.Isayworkonyourself,andbeopentothat.Beopentothepossibilityofchanceencountersatvarioushealthyestablishmentsaroundtheworld.

Dave: Thatleadstotheobviousnextquestion.DoyouplayPokemonGo?

Jason: Idonot.Ihatevideogames.

Dave: There'ssomanypeopleinthelastfewweekshavebeenlike,"It'smynewdatingstrategy.IplayPokemon."

Jason: Idon'tevenknowhowthekidsdoitwithallthesedatingappsandtoolsandeverything.Idon'tknow.Godblessthem,butIdon'tknowhowtheydoit.

Dave: Itsoundsalotmorecomplexthanitwasbackbeforetheinterwebs,backbeforeyouandme.

Jason: Yes.

Dave: Wellit'sbeenafascinatinginterview,andthere'sthatquestionthatI'veaskedeveryonewho'sbeenontheshow.I'dlovetogetyouransweronthis,soIthinkit'sgoingtobeinteresting.Ifsomeonecametoyoutomorrowandsaid,"Look.IwanttokickmoreassateverythingIdo."Whatarethethreemostimportantpiecesofadviceyou'dhaveforme?ThreethingsIneedto


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knowbasedonyourwholelifeexperience?

Jason: Sure.One,findamind-bodypracticethatworksforyou.Ithinkwe'dallagreethatstressisakiller.Stressistoxic.Findsomesortofpracticethatworksforyoutohelpdealwithstress.Stressdoesn'tgoaway.Stresschanges.Yourproblemschange.Anentrepreneurtoldmethatonce.Youthinkyougettoonelevel,andthenyougetthere,andthenit'sthenextthing.Yourproblemsdon'tgoawayinlife.Theyjustchange.One,findamind-bodypractice.Two,gratitude.Iamjustsuchahugebelieverinagratitudeprocess.OnceagainIbelieveingoals.Let'skickass,let'stakenames.Let'saccomplishallthesegreatthings,butyou'regoingtolosealotifyou'renotbeingappreciativeforwhatyouhaveinthatjourney.Itisajourney.It'snotacliché,it'sreal.Enjoyeverystepoftheway.Don'twaittolosesomethingforyoutoappreciateit.Two,gratitudepractice.

Three,Iwouldsayfocusonqualityversusquantitywithrelationships,withyourinteractions.Ithinkwecouldalldoabetterjobthere.Ithinkintheageofsocialmedia,we'vegotthousandsoffriendsandfollowersandthesepeopleeverywhere,butthequalityofthoserelationshipsaren'treallythere.Iwouldsayfocusonqualityrelationshipsinbusiness,inlife,withyourfamily.Iwouldsayfocusonquality.Ithinkyou'renevergoingtobesuccessful,you'renevergoingtoaccomplishthegoalsyouwanttoaccomplishifthepeoplearoundyouarenotsupportiveandthetypeofpeopleyouneedaroundyou.Iwouldsaythosethreethings.Mind-bodypractice,gratitude,andqualityofrelationships.

Dave: Awesome.Youdidnotdisappointwithyouranswers.ThanksJason.Ithinkpeopleprobablyhavealreadyfigured,theycangotomindbodygreen.com.Anywhereelsetheyshouldgotomaybefindyourbookorwhereelsecantheygo?

Jason: Thebook"Wellth,"W-E-L-L-T-H.It'sonAmazon,BarnesandNoble.Yougotowellth.mindbodygreen.com,andI'monallthesocialmediachannels,JasonWachob,W-A-C-H-O-Basinboy.Checkusout.

Dave: AllrightJason,thanksforbeingonBulletproofRadio.

Jason: It'sanhonor,thankssomuchDave.

Dave: Ifyouenjoyedtoday'sshow,youknowwhattodo.HeadonovertoyourfavoritebooksellerandpickupacopyofJason'sbook.Checkoutsomeofthecoolcontentonmindbodygreen.Whileyou'reatit,pickupsomebrainoctane.Getsomeketonesgoinginyourbrain.Getsomeofthetwonewroasts,wellthreeroastsintotalwehaveforBulletproof.We'vegottheMentalist,whichismynewfavorite.It'sslightlydarkerthanouroriginalroast.We'vegotFrenchKick,whichisdarkbutnotburnedtoacrisp.Itturnsoutdarkcoffeecantastegood.Giveitashot.Haveanawesomeday.

GettonsmoreoriginalinfotomakeiteasiertokickmoreassatlifewhenyousignupwiththefreenewsletteratBulletproofexec.comandstayBulletproof.

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