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FINAL TRANSCRIPT
TransAlta Corporation
Annual General Meeting
Event Date/Time: April 28, 2015
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PRESENTATION
Operator
Gordon Giffin — Chair, Board of Directors
Good morning. My name is Gordon Giffin, and I am Chair of the Board of Directors of
TransAlta, and I will act as Chairman of this meeting.
We, on behalf of the Board and management and the employees of TransAlta, I want to
welcome our shareholders and our proxy holders to this meeting and any other guests who have
joined us.
Our Vice-President, Legal and Corporate Secretary, Maryse St.-Laurent, seated to my far left,
will act as Secretary of the meeting. I’d also like to introduce someone who needs no introduction,
Dawn Farrell, our President and CEO, who you will hear from later.
As our meeting is being webcast live, we also welcome those joining us on the Internet.
A few brief procedural matters, and then we’ll get into the business of the meeting. We
certainly welcome, as I said, shareholders to this meeting and other guests. But I remind you that only
shareholders and proxy holders who are owners of TransAlta shares as of the close of business of
March 4th of this year are entitled to vote or take active part in the formal business of this meeting.
Should you wish to speak during the meeting, we ask that you identify whether you’re a
shareholder or proxy holder and that you state your name, and if a proxy holder, please state the name
of the shareholder in whose interest you are speaking.
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After the end of the formal part of our meeting I’ll make some remarks on behalf of the Board
of Directors and we’ll hear from our CEO, Ms. Farrell, and following those presentations we will be
happy to take questions.
Just a brief safety message before we get started. If for any reason we have an emergency,
there are exits at the back of the room and front of the room, and I’m supposed to say if there is a
power outage you’ll be able to see the exit signs. But of course, we won’t have a power outage. I don’t
know who put that in my remarks.
At this point, I would like to call to order the formal part of the TransAlta Corporation Annual
Meeting of Shareholders.
We’ll first go through the formal parts of this meeting. Nazim Nathoo and Gloria Gherasim of
CST Trust Company, the Company’s transfer agent, are in attendance today, and I will appoint them to
act as our scrutineers for the meeting.
I ask now Ms. St.-Laurent to file with the records of this meeting the proof of service of the
notice of this meeting, which was mailed on March 18, 2015, to all shareholders of record at the close
of business on March 4th.
The scrutineers have provided me with a preliminary report on the attendance at this
meeting which indicates that 1,078 shareholders are present in person or by proxy representing
123,142,211 common shares of the Company constituting 44.46 percent of our outstanding common
shares are represented at this meeting.
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I therefore declare that a quorum is present, and that the meeting is properly constituted for
the transaction of business. A copy of the scrutineers’ report will be filed with the records of this
meeting.
In order to have the meeting move smoothly from a procedural point of view, we have asked
a number of TransAlta employees who are also shareholders to move and second the motions to be
put before the meeting. If you would like discussion on a motion before the vote, please raise your
hand and identify whether you’re a shareholder or proxy holder and I will recognize you.
Starting with the minutes of the last Annual Meeting of Shareholders, which was held on April
29th of last year, I declare that the minutes have been verified and signed and are filed in the
Corporation’s minute book. Anyone wishing a copy of the minutes may pick one up from the table
located in the lobby outside this room.
The next item is the receipt of the annual consolidated financial statements of the
Corporation and the auditor’s report for the year ended December 31, 2014. The audited consolidated
financial statements of the Corporation and the auditor’s report are contained on Pages 82 through
155 of our annual report, and were mailed to shareholders in accordance with securities law together
with a notice of the meeting on March 18th of this year.
Copies of those are available in the lobby outside, and I request that the Secretary file it with
the—copy of the annual report with the minutes of this meeting.
Mr. Gordon Graham, a representative of Ernst & Young LLP (phon), the auditors of the
Corporation, is available at this meeting to answer questions during the general question period.
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The next item of business is the election of Directors. The Board has set the number of
Directors to be elected at 10. We are satisfied that this number of Directors is appropriate to provide
significant range and depth of expertise and to meet corporate governance requirements.
I would like to introduce the Directors standing for election to our Board. There are detailed
biographies of each of the Directors contained in our proxy circular, and I would ask that you refer to
that document for their extensive background information. I won’t go through all of it when I introduce
each individual. As I call your names, if you all would stand briefly as we go through the list.
First, Bill Anderson. Bill is a resident of Toronto, Ontario and has been a Director since 2003.
He brings several years of experience of finance and accounting to our Board.
Next, John P. Dielwart. John is a resident of Calgary and has been a Director since 2014. John
brings to the Corporation and our Board several years of experience as a business leader in this
community, entrepreneurship, and special knowledge of commodity markets.
Timothy W. Faithfull. Tim is a resident of Oxford, England, and has been a Director since 2003.
Tim brings to the Corporation and our Board many years of experience in leadership in the
international oil and gas industry, and in particular knowledge of large project development and
commodity risk management.
Dawn L. Farrell, our President and CEO, a resident of Calgary, who was appointed to the
Board in 2012.
Alan J. Fohrer. Alan is a resident of Arcadia, California, and has been a Director since 2013. He
brings to the Corporation and the Board experience in accounting and finance and executive leadership
in the power generation business from both a regulated and deregulated market perspective.
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Thomas Jenkins. Tom is a resident of Canmore, Alberta, and has been a Director since 2014.
Tom brings to the Corporation and the Board several years of experience as an entrepreneur, an
innovator, and a leader in information technology and innovation.
Yakout Mansour. Yakout, now a resident of El Dorado Hills, California, has been a Director
since 2011. He brings to the Corporation and our Board decades of experience in our industry in
generation, transmission, and energy-competitive markets in both a regulated and deregulated market
environment.
Georgia Nelson. Georgia is a resident of Chicago, Illinois, and has been a Director since 2014.
Georgia brings to the Corporation and the Board specialized knowledge in power generation
operations, the coal and mining industry, as well as experience in human resources management.
Beverlee Park. Beverlee is a resident of West Vancouver, British Columbia, and is a new
nominee to the Board. Beverlee brings to the Corporation and our Board years of experience in finance
and accounting, as well as leadership experience in large organizations, including the power sector.
Last, myself, Gordon Giffin. I am a resident of Atlanta, Georgia, and I won’t try and profess
what I bring to the Board, and I ask that you look at the proxy material to see my background.
Those are the 10 individuals standing for election to our Board this year, and I would now like
to ask—open the meeting for nominations for the Board.
Carolyn Dahl Rees — Shareholder
Mr. Chair, my name is Carolyn Dahl Rees. I’m a shareholder and I nominate William D.
Anderson; John P. Dielwart; Timothy W. Faithfull; Dawn L. Farrell; Alan J. Fohrer; P. Thomas Jenkins;
Yakout Mansour; Georgia R. Nelson; Beverlee F. Park; and Ambassador Gordon D. Giffin, to be elected
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as Directors of the Corporation, to hold office until the next Annual Meeting of Shareholders, or until
their successors are elected or appointed.
Gordon Giffin
Thank you, Carolyn. Is there any discussion on the motion? Thank you. With no discussion, I
declare the nominations for the Board closed.
Since the number of nominees does not exceed the number of Directors to be elected, I
request a motion that the nominees be elected as Directors of the Corporation to hold office until the
next Annual Meeting of Shareholders, or until their successors are elected or appointed.
Calvin Johnson — Shareholder
My name is Calvin Johnson. I am a shareholder, and I so move.
Gordon Giffin
Thank you, Calvin. Any discussion on that motion? May I have a seconder?
Brenda Marshall — Shareholder
My name is Brenda Marshall. I am a shareholder of the Corporation, and I second the motion.
Gordon Giffin
Thank you, Brenda. I’ll call to question on the motion. All in favour of the motion, please
signify by raising your hands. Contrary? I declare the motion carried.
Appointment of auditors. I request a motion that Ernst & Young LLP be appointed auditors of
the Corporation, to hold office until the close of the next Annual Meeting of Shareholders at such
remuneration as shall be fixed by the Board of Directors.
Todd Stack — Shareholder
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My name is Todd Stack. I am a shareholder, and I so move.
Gordon Giffin
Thank you, Todd. Any discussion on that motion? With no discussion, may I have a seconder
on the motion, please?
Jennifer Pierce — Shareholder
My name is Jennifer Pierce. I’m a shareholder, and I second the nomination.
Gordon Giffin
Thank you, Jennifer. I’ll call a question on that motion. Please signify your assent by raising
your hand. Opposed? I declare that motion carried. Thank you.
The next item of business is the consideration and approval on an advisory basis of a
resolution approving TransAlta’s approach on executive compensation. The text of the resolution is
specifically set out on Page 23 of the proxy circular dated March 9th, which was mailed to shareholders
with the materials for this meeting.
Since the vote is advisory, the results of this resolution are not binding on the Board of
Directors. The Board and the Human Resources Committee, however, will consider the outcome of the
vote as part of its ongoing review of executive compensation and the systems in place for designing
that compensation.
The results of the shareholder advisory vote will be included in the Company’s report on
voting results, which is filed with securities regulators.
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I request a motion that the resolution to accept the Company’s approach to executive
compensation as set out on Page 23 of the March 9, 2015, management proxy circular of the Company
be approved on an advisory basis.
Donald Wharton — Shareholder
My name is Donald Wharton. I am a shareholder, and I so move.
Gordon Giffin
Thank you, Don. Any discussion on this motion? No discussion. May I have a second?
Lora Brenan — Shareholder
My name is Lora Brenan. I’m a shareholder of this company, and I second.
Gordon Giffin
Thank you, Lora. Again, please signify your approval of the motion by raising your hand. Any
opposed? I declare the motion carried.
Do we have a final scrutineers’ report at this point? Is it the same? Well, I think it’s pretty
much the same, but I’ll reflect the numbers to be accurate.
The scrutineers have completed their report of shareholders attending the meeting. The
count indicates that 1,087 common shareholders are present in person or by proxy representing
123,157,152 common shares representing 44.47 percent of the outstanding common shares present at
this meeting. I don’t know if that’s a record, but it’s a substantial percentage of our shares represented
at the meeting.
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With the formal part of the meeting now concluded, I declare the meeting closed for the
transaction of business. And before I turn the podium over to Dawn to give the remarks of the CEO, I’d
just like to make a few remarks on behalf of the Board of Directors.
At the outset, I’d like to acknowledge and sincerely thank four talented and dedicated
Directors who have been serving on our Board for several years who have decided not to seek
reelection. To Martha Piper; Michael Kanovsky; Kent Jespersen; and Karen Maidment, on behalf of the
Board and management, I want to thank you for your thoughtful and diligent service. You will be
missed.
I am extremely pleased to welcome Bev Park, John Dielwart, and Tom Jenkins as new
Directors. This trio brings a breadth of experience and accomplishment to the Board, and we look
forward to the new insights you will bring to our Board and the meaningful contributions we know that
each of you will make to the Company.
As we meet here today, I am pleased to report to our shareholders that your company is
making real progress along the strategic path we outlined for you at recent annual meetings. While
unforeseen challenges always arise, like an economic downturn in Alberta with corresponding low
power prices, and policy and regulatory hurdles that still confront our business, TransAlta is making
real progress.
The senior management team of the Company, led by our CEO, Dawn Farrell, is diligent and
focused and dedicated to moving this company forward. Our newest senior executive leaders, CFO
Donald Tremblay and EVP Coal and Mining, Wayne Collins, hit the ground running in 2014 and made
material contributions to the Company.
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On the finance side, Donald has led us on a path towards a stable balance sheet, thanks to
debt reductions of $500 million last year and more to come this year. He was also a key architect of the
recent financing transaction for our Australia growth done in collaboration with TransAlta Renewables.
On operations, Wayne has enhanced our focus on operational excellence in our Canadian
coal fleet. Our availability in that fleet increased almost 8 percent last year, and overall availability of
our generation fleet exceeded 90 percent last year.
While executing on our finance and operations plans we have also been able to fulfill our
commitment to provide prudent growth as well. Our development team, led by Brett Gellner,
completed a natural gas pipeline project to fuel TransAlta power station in Australia and developed
that new 150 megawatt power station project in South Hedland, Australia where construction has
begun. Projects like these, along with our continued commitment to renewables like wind power,
underpin the growth and future earnings for our company.
Our trading operations under Rob Shaefer continue to effectively and prudently protect the
value of our assets and add to earnings. Cynthia Johnston has led our efforts to drive efficiencies in our
cost structure and to identify and mitigate risk. And Dawn de Lima has enhanced our HR practices,
instilling a culture of opportunity, responsibility, and accountability.
To be clear, while I wanted to recognize our senior leadership, there is an entire raft of
talented young people in this company supporting those leaders who are our executives of tomorrow.
Our CEO, Dawn Farrell, who has assembled this talented team, provides the leadership and
vision necessary to keep the Company focused on our strategy. No one could work harder to advance
this company, or care more for its employees and shareholders than Dawn.
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So while we have by no means reached our destination as a company, we are making real
progress on our journey. Our strategy remains consistent: strengthen our balance sheet; drive for
operational excellence; identify and convert on prudent growth; work with policy makers to achieve
constructive policy and regulatory frameworks; and deliver value to our shareholders.
And we are gaining ground. Achieving each of the milestones in our plan I mentioned earlier
contributed to year-over-year increases in EBITDA and funds from operations. Importantly, this
progress is being recognized slowly but surely by the market. Since January, even during challenging
economic times in Alberta, our share price has increased almost 17 percent.
The journey continues; the destination remains in focus. Please continue along the path with
us.
Thank you for coming, and I’ll turn the podium over to our CEO.
Dawn Farrell — President and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you, and good morning and welcome, everybody. And thank you, Ambassador, for
acknowledging the work of our team, and of course all of our hardworking employees. And my thanks
also goes to you and our Board for your guidance and your sage advice as we execute our strategy.
It’s really great to see a number of you returning this year, and many of us in—there’s a
number of us through the audience and at the front here that will stay behind, and stop by the tables
and have lunch and be available to really get into further discussion on our strategy and really answer
many of your questions.
Now Ambassador Giffin outlined our priorities in his comments, and what I’d like to do is just
really expand on the work that we did in 2014 to improve operations, deliver our financial results, and
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grow the business. This work continues, and is positioning us for what appears to be a low-price
commodity environment in our key markets in the next couple years.
I’ll also make some comments on why I believe our recent transaction with TransAlta
Renewables is positive for shareholders and why this strategy will continue to unlock value. And I’ll end
my remarks with some commentary on the work that we’re doing to grow our business and to increase
our competitiveness.
Now I’m personally very proud of what the team achieved in 2014. We accomplished most of
what we set out to do, and by responding to early indications that power prices would decline in 2015
we are well on the path to meet the challenges ahead.
A key piece of work for us in 2014 was to improve the availability of our Canadian coal
business. We achieved an overall adjusted fleet availability of 88.6 percent in 2014, up from 80.9
percent a year earlier in 2013. That’s an improvement of almost 8 percent, and it’s our strongest
performance since 2003.
What that meant was that in 2014 we also achieved our strongest overall fleet availability in
more than a decade at 90.5 percent, and that included our gas, wind, and hydro businesses altogether.
And we did this—and I think this is what we’re the most proud about as a management team—we did
this while delivering the best-ever safety results in the Company’s history.
In 2014, our plan was to achieve financially between 1.5 billion and 1.25 billion of EBITDA,
and we achieved 1.36 billion, so that was great. Our range, our forecast of funds from operations was
between 735 and 755, and we surpassed that by achieving 762, so good financial results as well as
operational and safety.
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Over the past years our work on costs, productivity, and growth now has us positioned near
the top of the sector among our peers where we show approximately a 13 percent cash return on our
capital employed, as you can see on this slide on the bottom left of the screen.
Now when we look at this same ratio and we add in depreciation—so when we do an
accounting return—we are only at around 5.5 percent, so we’re middle of the pack. That’s not good
enough, and that will improve as the PPAs roll off and as we do further initiatives to position the
Company for competitiveness.
In 2014, the work that the operations team did to achieve cost reductions and increase
availability, combined with the work that the marketing team did to successfully optimize our assets
and sell forward contracts, contributed to a successful financial outcome.
Now we also set out to grow the business, and we did that by acquiring a power station at
Solomon in Western Australia in 2012. We then built a gas pipeline to that plant, which we finished last
year, and then in April of last year we won the right to build the South Hedland project, also in Western
Australia.
The gas pipeline is now commissioned and it’s generating cash for you. The South Hedland
plant was the third leg of the stool, and it began construction in January, and its cash flows will come
on stream in 2017.
So from 2012 to 2017, we’ve built a solid business in Australia, and we’ve invested almost $1
billion in high-quality behind-the-fence gas-fired assets to serve miners in the Western Australia
market with an incremental increase in EBITDA of approximately $130 million. TransAlta and TransAlta
Renewables shareholders will both benefit from the new cash in 2017 once the plant is commissioned.
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TransAlta’s competitive advantage is its diversity of assets, markets, and customers. Adding a
business in Western Australia has been both important for growth and it has reduced risk.
Now last year a second big priority for us was to focus on strengthening our balance sheet to
get it ready—to ensure that it was ready for the expiration of the PPAs, which start to roll off in 2018,
and to ensure that we can successfully finance the kind of growth that we’ve just shown you that
we’ve done in Western Australia.
Last year we met our debt reduction targets of $500 million, and this year our target is to
reduce debt again by an additional 300 million to $500 million. All of our rating agencies have recently
reaffirmed our investment-grade ratings with stable outlooks.
Moody’s publicly acknowledged our progress in strengthening our balance sheet. They do
continue to have a negative outlook, which we believe will be reassessed once they see us deliver on
our plan.
Now we believe that the benefits of remaining investment grade in our business serve both
shareholders and bondholders. A strong financial position gives us greater access to capital markets
and a lower cost of debt.
We know that our customers want to work with investment-grade generators. Our offers to
them can span more than 25 years, and they want to ensure that we’re going to be there for the long
term. And a low cost of capital is always an advantage in a capital-intensive business.
So in short, our investment-grade rating helps us ride through periods of low commodity
prices and makes us more competitive. It gives us financial flexibility, and it gives us the opportunity to
participate in strong growth projects when we find them.
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Now our key strategy for strengthening our balance sheet is the movement of renewable and
certain gas-fired plants from TransAlta to TransAlta Renewables. This strategy allows us, first, to unlock
the underlying value of those assets, and then raise capital while we continue to manage and operate
those assets.
We are the largest shareholder of TransAlta Renewables, and currently own 76 percent of the
company. Creating TransAlta Renewables and growing it together with TransAlta benefits both sets of
shareholders. The continued ownership of TransAlta Renewables by TransAlta supports our credit
rating and our dividend.
TransAlta does have several additional assets that could be contenders for a drop down to
Renewables, and the excess cash we generate can either strengthen the balance sheet or be re-
invested in profitable growth projects.
I’d now like to talk about some of our future growth plans. 2014 was a good year, and it gave
us the kind of growth that we think is very valuable for our shareholders. So I’d now like to look at
what we’re thinking about for 2015 and beyond when it comes to growth.
Now we’re growing TransAlta in four different, but quite related ways, so let me talk about
those four. First, we’re working with customers who may want us to own and run their generation
assets here in their home market. Some of these customers want their own behind- the-fence
generation and others want longer-term contracts.
Second, we will sell the output from Sundance units 1 and 2 when the PPAs roll off in 2018.
We've been gearing up to do this since 2012, and we already have 700 megawatts of customers on our
books.
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Third, we can extend the life of existing plants through a number of mechanisms, and we'll
continue to review all the economics of these kinds of life extension projects. And particularly we'll
look at in our coal fleet whether or not we can life extend through a conversion to gas as we move
closer to 2020.
And fourth, we'll continue to acquire assets that fit our strategy, and as well move assets that
meet TransAlta Renewables criteria. Acquisitions can either be funded by TransAlta, or by TransAlta
Renewables, depending on the asset profile.
Now I'm going to talk a little bit deeper about each of those four strategies because I think
they're important to the future of your company, but before I do, it's really worth watching this video
of the team and what they've done in Western Australia because I think it'll give you a real feel for the
kind of growth that we go after.
[Video Presentation]
Dawn Farrell
Great. You've got to love that. So as you can see, we've had a lot of success in Australia with
our behind-the-fence generation offers.
We do continue to see some good opportunities in Western Australia, and the market is
beginning to emerge here in Western Canada for customers who want to partner with us at their
cogeneration plants so that we can own and manage their assets.
Our growth team is actively pursuing several key customers here in Western Canada. We
have the opportunity to build a gas plant also at Centralia to replace our coal fleet generation in that
market, and we're currently in the process of obtaining permits for Sundance unit 7, which could be
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needed in the Alberta market by the end of the decade, depending on how supply and demand goes
here in the market, and of course what happens to oil prices as we go forward.
Now our second approach to growing our business is through our customer base. Our goal is
to have 30 percent of Alberta's market share by 2020, and of course that aligns with the PPAs rolling
off.
Our competitive advantages in Alberta include a low cost base of assets, we have a marketing
platform that balances our supply portfolio with customer needs, and energy marketing strategies that
capture both asset optionality and market volatility.
TransAlta today does serve medium and larger industrial, mining, and commercial customers,
and about half of our customers prefer to lock in power at a fixed price with the average contract
length of about three years. The other half prefer to leave their cost exposure open, and have
contracts that track the spot market.
We will have 500 more megawatts when the PPAs roll off Sundance units 1 and 2 in 2018 to
sell, and as prices improve here in the Alberta market we'll be getting ready to close some contracts.
Now the third way that we create value is really through life extensions effectively with our
asset base. Last year we converted our Ottawa plant to a peaker, and we're selling that output to the
Ontario Power Authority under a 20-year contract. Since 2012, we've recontracted almost 800
megawatts of plants and extended the lives of those plants from between five and fifteen years,
depending on the plant.
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Now we could be closing those facilities down, but instead we're making small investments
converting them to peakers, which means they just run during periods when electricity demand is
quite high. And we'll continue this strategy as we go forward.
And you could see more to come because, of course, as our coal plants run to the end of their
lives under the federal rules, they could easily become candidates for peakers in the future if the
economics of converting a coal plant to a gas plant are better than the economics of building a brand-
new gas-fired plant in the province.
Our development team is also working on a carbon capture and storage conversion project
for coal, and that would be something that would be complementary to a strategy of converting our
plants.
Now the final way we can grow value for you is by growing TransAlta Renewables, and we can
do that both by moving assets from TransAlta and by third party acquisitions, and it's another way to
create some value. And you just had to see the recent transaction to see how that worked.
As the value of TransAlta Renewables increases—because we're 76 percent of that entity
today—the value for TransAlta will also increase. And we do see our merger and acquisitions team
looking for assets that will fit into both portfolios.
Your team at TransAlta has added $4 billion of new projects during the last five years, and
really until now all of that growth replaced the declining cash flows that came from Centralia, from
lower prices in Centralia. But as we look ahead and we see South Hedland coming on stream in 2017
and we see new customer revenue from the Sundance units 1 and 2 in 2018, what we really see is that
we're starting to lift off of the current base.
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And what the work of the team is this year is to get one more project like a South Hedland. It
will probably be in Canada, and it will probably be in our own backyard here. And what we'd like to do
is get that all ready to be built for cash flows coming in the 2019 period.
So for TransAlta shareholders, another South Hedland-type investment; growing TransAlta
Renewables; recontracting assets; and growing our customer business will translate to value creation.
So we're trying to keep our strategies simple, clear, and focused.
Now, as always in business there are headwinds, and in the short term we have the challenge
of very low power prices here in Alberta as demand slows and there's a current oversupply of
generation in the market. On the left of this slide you can see the forward curves and the forecast for
Alberta and the Pacific Northwest markets, and to the right you can see our current hedge levels and
the average prices of our current hedges. And the good news is, as you can see on the right of this
slide, we have strong hedging levels in 2015 and in 2016 to overcome most of the current spot market
price disruption.
What you can't see on this slide is that last year our teams developed their plans with low
prices in mind as their base case. And they put in place many productivity initiatives to reduce costs to
meet the challenge of lower pricing. You'll see later today when we talk to the market in our first
quarter conference call that our hedges and our cost reduction initiatives are paying off, as we've
delivered a solid first quarter.
Now like all other businesses in this province, our teams are continuing to work on a number
of strategies to meet the challenge of our current economic headwinds in Alberta. The good news is
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that when prices recover, which they will, we will have the benefit of a lower cost structure as we
compete for new customers towards the end of this decade.
So in summary, we had a good 2014, we had a good start to 2015, and we're on the right path
to continuing to grow the Company. Our balance sheet is stronger than last year, and it's getting
stronger. We are focused on what we do best in markets that we know well, and every day we look for
new ways to overcome any challenges that might come our way.
So again, thank you to our loyal shareholders who come to these meetings and continue to
stay the course with us. We very much value your patience and loyalty, and very much look forward to
some of the conversations we'll have over lunch.
So I will now turn the podium back over to Ambassador Giffin to moderate the question-and-
answer session. And thank you.
Gordon Giffin
Thank you, Dawn. Before we begin the question period, just a few process points. I ask that
each person limit themselves to one question at a time, and try and keep it to two or three minutes.
And if you have more than one question if you'd let the next person ask their question and then come
back we can try and fit in any further questions you might have.
When you're prepared to ask a question if you’d raise your hand so one of our volunteers can
bring you a microphone, and please state your full name, whether you're a shareholder or a proxy
holder, and if a proxy holder what shareholder or which shareholder you represent.
Thank you. And the floor is now open for questions.
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Q&A
Brian Francis Hupka — Shareholder
Brian Francis Hupka (phon), shareholder. I suppose we've been provided with this
information, but how long does it take for one of these wind turbines to pay for itself on average
before it begins to make a profit? Thank you.
Dawn Farrell
So thank you for that question. And it really depends on the deal that we have, but I would
say a good rule of thumb is depending on the price and circumstances and the returns that we get and
whether or not it's a fixed-price contract over 25 years or there's some merchant in it, I would say on
average between seven and ten years, and then profits after that.
And we expect—a lot of our contracts are 25-year contracts, and then of course there's
extension possibilities after that. So the windmills themselves would last longer than that.
Gordon Giffin
I think there was a question right here.
Brian Bass — Shareholder
Excuse me. My name is Brian Bass (phon), and I'm a shareholder. Last year you conveyed, Ms.
Farrell, to the shareholders that TransAlta and the Government of Alberta were not in negotiations to
leverage its hydro facilities along the Bow River system for flood control. In fact, that was not true. The
province continues to look to TransAlta to change the operations at its dams to protect the City of
Calgary during the next inevitable flood. What has TransAlta put on the table, and what is the status of
the current agreement?
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Dawn Farrell
Yeah. So I think last year just shortly after the annual meeting we came to an agreement with
the Province of Alberta, and we ran a trial period for last year. And basically the agreement was that
the province would have us reduce the level of the Ghost Reservoir early in the season beyond what
we normally would to run for power. So effectively we create a greater hole in Ghost for that.
We then have just reached an agreement for again extending that trial to this year, and our
hope is that once we get past this year that we can engage in a longer-term contract for that. So we did
do a trial last year. We've reached agreement for this year, and our hope is that we could have
something that would be longer term in arrangement with the government.
And Lora Brenan, her hand is there, she runs our hydro business, and would be glad to talk to
you about that. And for the first, Brian, Brett Gellner, he'll put his hand up there; he'll find you as well
and can tell you everything you want to know about payback periods and returns and IRRs and all that
stuff.
Gordon Giffin
Any other questions? One more here.
Brian Bass
I had a chance to go up into the Wipress (phon) area and actually go down to the diversion
dam that's out in that area; travelled down the Ghost Valley. It was a bit of a frightening experience. I
don't know how many people have actually taken that trip. Nothing in particular to do with TransAlta
at all; it's just that as we were travelling down in a vehicle and I was kind of being led, there were so
many guns going off and people out there shooting, and so I guess from a safety perspective and from
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an Albertan perspective, I commend TransAlta for having to deal with that probably on a day-to-day
basis or on a weekend basis if any of your employees are out there.
It's really a tragedy that probably one of the most beautiful spots that we have in the
province is so badly managed by the government. So I'm acting on a positive side for the Company
saying I commend them for what they have to do.
I would like to further elaborate on a significant—like in the annual report it says there’s a
significant loss of hydro revenue in 2014. You provide two reasons in the annual report: there’s lower
water resources and diminished optimization of storage capacity. Would this be related to the
damaged Ghost diversion dam from the 2013 flood? And is it also sediment that's infilling in the
reservoirs? Thank you.
Dawn Farrell
Yeah. So I think the biggest reason for the change in revenue between the two years is the
way that you make money in hydro is through volatility. And what that means is there's 8,760 hours in
the year; you wait for really high-priced hours and you run then and you capture that pricing. So that's
one of the number one ways. So if you have a less volatile lower-priced year that takes up a lot of that
difference.
In terms of the Ghost diversion project, that would account for a little bit of loss there. And in
terms of the sediment that would be very small. And we have done some dredging this year to—I'm
looking at Lora—we haven't done or you were doing? Okay. So there is some loss from that, but that
sediment builds up over kind of 100 years, so it wouldn't be significantly different because of that
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flood. And again, Lora can take you through that, but I would say the biggest difference would be it's
mostly price-related rather than water-related.
Now in terms of the Ghost diversion project, of course we're just looking at how we're going
to rebuild that to make sure that it sustains itself through various flooding conditions.
Gordon Giffin
Question over here.
Andrew Pollocks — Shareholder
Yeah. Hi. Andrew Pollocks (phon) of Calgary, Alberta; beneficial shareholder, though not
proxy holder, and I only own two shares, but I enjoy asking questions at annual meetings, and so being
a shareholder gives me the opportunity to do that. Let's see, I'm just curious if you're expanding into
other countries, as you had in your video expansion into Australia, what sorts of criteria do you look at
in deciding which countries to expand into? And to what extent do you want to expand TransAlta's
international operations? Thank you very much.
Dawn Farrell
Great. Great question. So we actually expanded into Western Australia in 1997. And we
started with our first acquisition of a power station there that was—actually we built a little power
plant at Parkeston, and then we acquired a set of gas-fired assets that serve the BHP plants in the
Cagarilly (phon) area. And then we had those assets there for a long period of time. Our criteria at the
time was if you look at TransAlta, the market in Alberta is fairly small and we are restricted to be less
than 30 percent of the market over time because it's a competitive market. So we can really only be so
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big here. So we chose in the late '90s to expand into Western Australia and also into the Pacific
Northwest and Western in the US.
And what we look at are a couple of things. First of all, do they need what we do? So one of
the things that we're quite strong in is behind-the-fence gas-fired generation, and it turns out that the
mines in Western Australia all require gas generation to run and it's all behind the fence. So that was a
good—so that was a starter.
Secondly, we do look at the normal things people look at. Country stability is a good place to
do business; has it got common law? All that sort of stuff. So we have a second set of criteria there.
And then we also look at the returns, and so we very much look at can we achieve—our sort
of base level of return is what is an unlevered internal rate of return of around 10 percent. So if we see
projects where we can serve customers with technology that we're good at behind their fences at the
right return then we'll bid on those projects and try to win them.
So we started in '97. We held a small portfolio for about 10 years. And then we saw that
there were a number of opportunities coming, and that's when we started the expansion strategy
again. And that's how we got the first position there.
We also have a coal plant in Washington State, and we've been recently looking at can we
expand that business there or can we leverage that business there? For the most part TransAlta's
business is in Alberta and across Canada. And as you know, if you know the Canadian power market,
it's mostly owned by the Crowns. So BC Hydro, SaskPower, they're all owned by government. So it's a
great market in Canada, but not a lot of opportunities. So we do have to expand.
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We currently do not see ourself adding another region at this point. So we like the regions
that we're in, and we think there's lots of opportunity there. So those decisions were made quite a long
time ago.
Gordon Giffin
Anyone else? Well, with that I'll thank all of you for coming. We do have refreshments and
lunch next door, so we invite you to go there. And we'll continue the conversation with you in an
informal fashion over refreshments.
Thank you very much.