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JOHN CHITTY BVETMED CERTZOOMED MRCVS ANTON VETS, ANDOVER SP10 2NJ, UK [email protected] Tortoise Clinical Pathology

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Page 1: Tortoise Clinical Pathology › pdf › CONGRESOS › GMCAE3_Tortoise_Clinical_Pat… · Tortoise Clinical Pathology . What is a “Tortoise”? Many species now available! Testudo

JOHN CHITTY B V E T M E D C E R T Z O O M E D M R C V S

ANTON VETS, ANDOVER SP10 2NJ, UK

[email protected]

Tortoise Clinical Pathology

Page 2: Tortoise Clinical Pathology › pdf › CONGRESOS › GMCAE3_Tortoise_Clinical_Pat… · Tortoise Clinical Pathology . What is a “Tortoise”? Many species now available! Testudo

What is a “Tortoise”?

Many species now available!

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Testudo

Spur-Thighed Tortoise

Hermanns tortoise

Marginated tortoise

Horsfields tortoise

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The Problems

We can’t see inside

We can’t feel inside

Clinical pathology seems a good idea to get some answers

Do we know what questions to ask?

Does it tell us the truth?

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What we will cover...

Not a complete coverage

Reviewing some of the difficulties with interpretation

Discussion please!

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The Problems

Seasonality

Sex

Age

Lymphodilution

Changes in the post

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Changes in the post…

Raised

Potassium

Phosphate

Lowered

Sodium?

Ionised Ca?

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So, to minimise problems…

Air-dried smear

Use of patient-side machines?

Send spun sample too?

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Seasonality

Rise in Winter

TWBC

Eosinophils

Rise in summer

Hets

Lymphocytes

Cholesterol (females)

Glucose

Potassium

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PCV

Rise in hibernation

Lowest in middle winter & summer

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Post-hibernation

Low

TWBC

Hets

Eosinophils??

Glucose!

Na/K..rising

High

PCV

Lymphocytes?

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Sex

Male

PCV

Female

Lymphocytes

Albumin

Cholesterol (summer)

Triglyceride

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Reproduction

Breeding females have raised

TP

Albumin

ALKP

Total Ca

Ionised Ca????

Phosphate

Triglyceride

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THIS DOES NOT INDICATE FOLLICULAR STASIS UNLESS…

Prolonged reproductive picture outside of “normal breeding season”

Repeated findings of non-progressive follicles

Endoscopy

Ultrasonography

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A FUNCTIONING FEMALE REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM IS NOT

NECESSARILY A DISEASE

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Age

Immatures have lower

PCV

Albumin

Immatures have higher

Lymphocytes

Phosphate

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Lymphodilution

Lowers PCV

TWBC

Lymphocytes

Albumin

Globulin

TP

Total Ca????

Uric acid

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Effect of site??

Sinuses?

Tail vein/ sub-carapacial?

Is the jugular the gold standard?

What we need

Be honest!!

Tell pathlogist

Send air-dried slide

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How do we assess dehydration?

Is it urinating?

Can we use urine SG?

Bloods

Protein/ HCT??

Urea?

Uric acid?

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Osmolarity?

2(Na+ + K+) + glucose + urea = osmolarity

258 to 467 mOSm/l

Seasonal effects?

Quality of hibernation?

Effects on fluid therapy?

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How do we distinguish renal disease from dehydration?

Uric acid?

Urea?

Creatinine?

Ca:P???

Potassium?

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Value of repeated samples?

Why does uric acid rise after fluids?

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Prognostic Indicators!

Urea

Uric acid

Potassium

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How do we assess liver function/ disease??

Always bloods?

Enzymes ALKP

ALT

AST

GGT

GLDH

LDH

Proteins

Cholesterol?

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Bile acids?

Useful?

Species differences?

Seasonal differences?

Effects of feeding?

Association with pathology?

If persistently very high??

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PHA?

Assess hydration

Assess blood cells

Responses

Infection?

Immunosuppression?

Significance of blood parasites?

Assess prognosis

Evidence of renal disease?

Evidence of depletion??

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Depletion

Reduction of body stores such that there is nothing left to metabolise!

Glucose

Beta- HB??

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Typical UK PHA sample...

Lowered

Haematology

Sodium

Glucose

Raised

Tissue enzymes

Urea

(Uric acid)

(Potassium)

(Beta-HB)

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Still haematology is simple?

Numbers?

Seasonal variation?

Morphology?

Stem cells?

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Electrophoresis

Interpretation?

More sensitive?

Predictive?

Normal values?

Effects of sample quality?

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Parasitology

What is a parasite?

How significant are findings?

Commensals?

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Urinary coccidians?

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Blood parasites

In the UK!

No vectors

Age of tortoise relevant

Disease significance?

In Spain?

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So, how about pathogen checks?

PCR’s?

ChHV?

Mycoplasma?

Is swabbing effective?

Significance if found?

Significance if not found??

How do you change therapy if confirmed?

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Role of culture?

How well do we understand commensals and normal flora?

Faecal culture?

Oral / lung cultures?

Anaerobes?

Combine with cytology?

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What do we need?

More knowledge!

Normals

Species

Husbandry

Seasonality

Gender

Diet

Common sense!