The Watchman's Wall Biblical Studies

M_Tsaphahok........ please listen up........

T_AmericanaThat's fine. Go right ahed & you'll do fineM_TsaphahWelcome to The Watchman's Wall hosted / moderated bible studies. We are blessed to have Americana teach us. Before we get started, I have a few things to post for the bible study........M_TsaphahPlease Note: While The Watchman's Wall hosts bible studies and teachers for structured bible studies, The Watchman's Wall may not agree with all or part of

what a teacher is sharing unless done by The Watchman's Wall itself.M_TsaphahPlease Note: While The Watchman's Wall cannot stop people from entering that will come to do the business of the enemy to try to disrupt in one fashion or another, we CAN guarantee we will deal with it immediately and promptly. So, please, don't be shocked if you see drastic actions taken by the moderators to try to insure a continuing easy flow with the bible study.M_TsaphahPlease

Note: This is the link for The Watchman's Wall Bible Study Guidelines - www.WatchmansWall.net/studyguide - Before we get started, it is highly recommended to review these guidelines. So, I am going to give a few minutes to make sure everyone has a chance to read the guidelines.M_TsaphahThis is also the downloads for the bible study guidelines (in .doc & .pdf formats):

*** M_Tsaphah uploaded WW_Study_Guidelines_ver_2121A_1-12.doc*** M_Tsaphah uploaded WW_Study_Guidelines_ver_2121A_

1-12.pdf*** Rudiferous left the chat room.*** Rudy entered the chat room.

M_TsaphahPlease Note: Following is the download for Americana's study notes for those that don't have them. This is the complete collection of notes for this and the following weeks (in .doc & .pdf formats):

*** M_Tsaphah uploaded Becoming A Real Disciple - Counting The Cost.doc*** M_Tsaphah uploaded Becoming A Real Disciple Counting The Cost.pdf

M_Tsaphahok.....is everybody ready to proceed?

T_AmericanaWhenever you are.M_Tsaphahok...........

M_TsaphahAt this time I would like to pray for tonights study......M_TsaphahBlessed are You, O Lord our G_D, King of the universe who blesses us with Your holy word. Lord we thank You for all that are gathered here to be blessed with getting to know You more intimately and gaining a closer relationship with You. Lord Yeshua our Mighty King, You have said where two or more are gathered in Your Name, You will

be here with us. Our Master, we are humbled by Your holy presence and we pray You bless us with the Holy Spirit ministering to us in a mighty way tonight to bring the glory to the Father. Lord El Shaddai, we pray that we become a stronger warrior and a more worthy citizen to be privileged in helping You progress Your Kingdom. Lord, protect us tonight from the enemy causing disruption and confusion. Yeshua, I pray that you bless Americana with the meditations of her heart to become words spoken

that you want her to say and for us to receive. Our mighty King, we love, praise and worship you and we humbly pray this in Your Mighty Name Yeshua, our Messiah, amenT_AmericanaThanks TSAM_TwiceHatchedIn agreement, AmenM_TsaphahThank you for your patience and now I am going to turn the room over to Americana to start. From this point on, Americana will instruct on how she will want to conduct the bible study. Thank you.....

T_AmericanaIt will be open discussion. I will occasionally be asking for answers to questions, thoughts, comments, etc. GOD is the main leader, and I'm just His "assistant". I lead as the Lord leads. I use all caps for emphasis not for shouting.T_AmericanaThanks for joining us for the Study. This is week #1 of the "Counting the Cost-becoming a Real Disciple study.

M_TwiceHatchedShalom Paul, pull up a chair and listen in : ]T_AmericanaMost people are followers

of SOMEONE. It's "usually" someone who shares the same interests & values.M_TsaphahShalom Paul - Please, before participating in the study, I must see you in a Private Message - thank youT_AmericanaBesides Christ, can anyone think of someone (friend, family, Hollywood Heroes, etc.) they like to follow and why?T_AmericanaChrist is the only 1 I "really" look up to.T_AmericanaFeel free to jump right in with who YOU look up to & why!

T_AmericanaDoes

ANYONE if not EVERYONE have a Bible handy? If not, that's fine. Just let me know and I'll proceed accordingly.M_TwiceHatchedT-Ameri, I look up to my sister and to TsaphahT_AmericanaGreat!

T_AmericanaLet's take a look @ Matthew 4.18-22. In verses 18-19, Who did Jesus ask to follow Him & what did He say He would make them?T_AmericanaFeel free to jump right in with the answer to questions, your thoughts, comments, etc. That's why I make the study "open discussion" so we

can ALL, myself included can learn from each other.T_AmericanaWould someone please either post or look up Matthew 4.18-22 particulary verses 18-19?M_Tsaphah18 As Jesus was walking beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon called Peter and his brother Andrew. They were casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen. 19 "Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men." 20 At once they left their nets and followed

him. 21 Going on from there, he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and his brother John. They were in a boat with their father Zebedee, preparing their nets. Jesus called them, 22 and immediately they left the boat and their father and followed himT_AmericanaThanks TSA. Please offer your thoughts on what you think the phrase "Fishers of Men" means.ajI think Jesus was words that they would understand to describe what a disciple is.

ajwhoops using

M_Tsaphahgiving the deciples a real time example........being they were fishermen...... of what they are going to be doing...T_AmericanaEXCELLENT ideas. I think it also means to help others find God.Raymondyou were right the first time Jesus was not using He is the wordT_AmericanaIn essence, Jesus was calling these men away from their "productive" TRADES to be productive SPIRITUALLY!

T_AmericanaWho does Jesus call in Matthew 4.21-22?ajJames and Joh

T_AmericanaThanks AJajJohn sorry for the typosajyw

T_AmericanaThese 4 men were the 1st disciples Jesus called. When these men were called to leave their "productive" trades, did they leave IMMEDIATELY, or did they make "excuses"?

ajImmediately

T_AmericanaJust as Jesus called THESE 4 men (and

eventually 8 others), Jesus has called "each of US" as Christians to follow Him. We need to do the same thing these 4 men did. Follow Him IMMEDIATELY and WITHOUT excuses. Offer your thoughts on ways you can think of that we, as Christians, can follow Him.M_Tsaphahcan i interject something?T_AmericanaSure

RaymondIn everything be give thanks pray without ceasing, count it all joy for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

T_AmericanaGreat points Ray. Thanks for your input.Raymondwe enter His presence with thanksgiving, healing is in His presenceRaymondand we are changedT_AmericanaPlease correct me if I'm wrong about any of MY thoughts, ideas, etc... @ ANY time, but I think 1 of the ways we can follow Him is by using our "abilities" for HIM, for example...I have the ability to both put together Bible Study notes AND lead open discussion Bible Studies. I do them both to give HIM the

thanks, praise, @ gloryT_AmericanaAnd glory sorry for the typoajI believe our whole being is how we can serve him in all we do and how we act, etc.M_Tsaphahi have an input for considerationT_AmericanaAmen

T_AmericanaSure

M_Tsaphahi will try to do this......if the mod thing dont call me away.....but lets look at this.... and we need to look at lukeM_Tsaphahon the calling of the first disciplesM_TwiceHatchedI will be Mod.

T_AmericanaOk Sure

M_Tsaphahok twice...

M_Tsaphahty

T_AmericanaWhat passage in Luke TSA?M_Tsaphahin luke..... ch 5....... we see a very practilcal aspect of Yeshua being very practical in our livesM_Tsaphahwhen he called he fishermen..... they did not just put things down blindly and followed him....he met thier needs firstT_AmericanaGood pointT_AmericanaLike I said before, the main reason I make the Study

open-discussion is so I can learn from you just as much if not MORE than you learn from meM_Tsaphahthey worked hard at fishing..... and it was a hard life...with very little return...... and it has been said from those who fish the sea of galilee...... that the catch he provided......first thing.....they didnt fish in the day....it was at night....so for them ..the instructions was absurb........ andRaymondi agree and was thinking the same thing actually, until we are healed in His presence we try to do His work on our own ,

like when they fished all night and cought nothing, until the Lord said put your net on the right side, the left side: is our foly: emptyM_Tsaphahand also from the fishermen in Israel..........that catch was worth a years work.......so think of the finances involved all of a sudden......T_AmericanaI LOVE your inputs thanks

M_Tsaphahso with that.......they did not just blindly put things down and follow him.....He provided... and He provided means that would finance the fishermen

...with paying bills and living expences for their families....... so i just hope that shows how alive the scriputures can become..........

T_AmericanaIn my opinion, these men not only left their "nets" immediately trusting that God would meet their needs, etc... but they did so WITHOUT excuses or complaining.Raymondi ment the left side represents our foly, trying to do His work in the flesh, it sais the fools heart is to the Left but the upright choses to teh right, this is parable

language for living to prove ourselves in the fleash or learning obedience waithing on the Lords righteousnessT_AmericanaAgain, thanks for yor imput. Those ideas are thoughts I've never looked @ before.T_AmericanaWould someone please look up Philippians 2.15 and tell us what that verse says?T_AmericanaI'm sorry Philippians 2.14.freakofjesusDo everything without complaining and arguinfreakofjesus*arguing

T_AmericanaThanks FOJ

T_AmericanaWhat do you think Paul is trying to teach us in that verse?freakofjesus15--so that you may become blameless and pure....M_Tsaphahdepends on the extent of the complaining and arguing........freakofjesusTo be "children of God", we must put aside our differences and opinions and focus on our common goal....and do so without complaining or putting down one anotherM_Tsaphahdid paul complain and argue?M_TwiceHatchedI don't understan

d "foly"Raymondagain the complaining is from the foly side and the blameless is from the Lord"s sideT_AmericanaIf all people know about Christians is constant arguing & complaining, they may and often "do" get a false impression of Christ & the Gosplefreakofjesusfolly?

T_AmericanaI was mainly looking @ verse 14. Sorry for the typoajI believe Paul complained to God about thingsM_Tsaphahi think the key word you just said is constant?

Raymondit"s our choise of identity, tho we all have trouble and learn litle by litle

freakofjesuswell apparently the NIV says "grumbling and arguing"....I just always memorized it as complainingT_AmericanaTrue. We ALL do. Like I said before, correct me ANYTIME I"m incorrect in my thoughts, ideas, etc. I'm learning from YOU just as much if not MORE than you are from me.T_AmericanaThat's fine FOJ. I study out of the NIV but I MEMORIZE out of KJV.

freakofjesusok lol

T_AmericanaI think what God is talking about HERE is when He calls us to do something, go somewhere, etc... like He did THESE 4 men and eventually 8 more, we're to do so WITHOUT arguing, complaining, making excuses, etc...freakofjesusyeah

freakofjesusespecially in context, that makes more sense than any other explanation I can think ofT_Americana& like I mentioned a couple of minutes ago, if all NON-CHRISTIANS here

us CHRISTIANS doing is arguing, complaining, etc... they MAY & often DO get a false impression of Christ & the Gospel and may think I don't want to be a Christian if all they do is complain, argue, make excuses,etc...T_AmericanaHear. I'm TERRIBLE @ typing sometimes. Sorryfreakofjesus's ok

ajPaul addresses this in I Corinthians chapter 1 and others chapters

T_AmericanaNow as we wrap up, in the verses & passages we looked @

tonight, offer your thoughts on at least 1 thing God wants us to learn from this weeks lesson. As a refresher, we looked @ Matthew 4.18-22, & Philippians 4.14.T_AmericanaGood point AJ. Sorry I just noticed the last point you made.M_Tsaphahi learned on the connection on mathew 4 and luke 5.....being the same thing in different gospels.....T_AmericanaGREAT I did also. I learned from you all that there are different ways of looking @ scripture.T_AmericanaOne thing I would like to ask

is that IF possible, if not, that's fine. but IF possible, please have a Bible, pen/pencil and paper handy as there will be times you MIGHT want to write things downRaymondthe obvious that came to me was in teh flesh we maw work hard but end up complaining: comparing ourselves with others is being fleshly minded, there is no fruit appart from abiding in Him, Just as without the Holy Spirit directing us we feel empty and those fealings should be warning: complaining =

being appart from Love of GodT_AmericanaAmen Raymond.M_Tsaphahi have one more thing i would like to share before we leave on a balance......T_AmericanaIf anyone's interested, if not that's fine, but IF you'd like to & get a chance to do so, feel free to look @ next week's passage which the MAIN 1 will be Matthew 10.16-22.T_AmericanaSure go ahead TSA. Then if it's ok, I'll take any prayer requests an/or praises anyone might like to shareM_Tsaphahok......ty

M_Tsaphahi hear the idea of complaining.......i ask.....can we complain to G_D?.... in my walk.......i found this verse in Isiah.....M_Tsaphahthe key to me......is 1;18...." come let us reason together"...........that is an awesome statement from G_D.....and that means to me......he can hear my heart.....even when it is troubled.......and i need to vent to Him.....He can take it...... to me.......that is what Psalms is all about .........honesty with G_D........T_AmericanaAmen. Good point TSA. He's a "good listener".

After all, He's also our BEST FRIENDRaymondi believe therwe is a place to lift our complaint to God and the verse you mentioned describes it well, also it"s the attitude of our heart in the complaint it is a cry of a broken heart that God will not despise...M_Tsaphahand our Counselor....M_Tsaphahyes raymond....well saidM_Tsaphahok americana.........tyT_AmericanaJust a moment. I want to look up Isaiah 1.18 real quick and see if there's any "commentary" on it.

M_Tsaphahit is in the context of a righteous or unrighteous heart.. and how G_D wants our heart first.... set the heart like in the beatitudes.....M_TwiceHatchedamen

T_AmericanaNo "life application" on that verse from the standpoint WE'RE looking @.T_AmericanaSorry

T_AmericanaI always study from the LIFE APPLICATION Bible because of it's WONDERFUL application to the verses & passagesM_Tsaphahwhat i seen ......is what the Holy Spirit

brought to me on my study i am doing on the sermon on the mountM_TwiceHatchedyet, Tsaphah just gave us a REAL life application : ]

T_AmericanaTSA, your last comment was EXCELLENT.T_AmericanaThanks

M_TsaphahLets give Yeshua all he honor and glory..........thank you Lord........... T_AmericanaI've learned a LOT from all of YOU tonight. Thanks for your imput, and participation. Now if it's ok, would anyone like to share any

prayer requests and/or praises before I ask someone to close in prayer?M_TwiceHatchedI lift Jess Capps up in prayer. Her surgery to remove the heart pumps today has been delayed until Thursday, and the circulation in her left leg is very bad, risking her losing that leg.M_TsaphahI praise G_D for blessing us with the ways and means to put this facebook thing to a good use to further His kingdom.....and I thank Hin for all the good freinds I am finding here......T_AmericanaI was wondering about

an update on Jess. I haven't seen anything on FB latelyT_AmericanaI agree 100% with you TSAM_TwiceHatchedAmericana, I update my wall at least once dailyM_TwiceHatchedAmen TsaphahT_AmericanaI GREATLY appreciate, your willingness to open up this study room AND for giving me the opportunity to teach in HERE.T_AmericanaI just haven't noticed it I guess. SorryM_TsaphahBlessed are you, O Lord our G_D...... we do life up Jess to

you....that you will touch her and bless her with your Holy Spirit working in a mighty way in her body. Lord G_D, please heal Jess and bring the matter to a close for your honor and glory....in Yeshua's name.....amenRaymondour broken heart is healed in His presence as long as we will come to Him daily we come as we are, tho I never spoke to the Lord out of anger, was tempted once but feared to do it, and I say that the Lord knew my heart and refreshed me and showed me that the woman He took from me

was not good for me by restoring the relationship and let it fall appart again. I dont think He would have done so if i aproached Him with pride and anger.M_TwiceHatchednaaa, I"m just letting you know : ]M_TwiceHatchedIn agreement with Tsa, AmenT_AmericanaI look on FB several times a day. I guess I just must not scroll down far enough.M_Tsaphahwhen we are done.....i have a final postM_TwiceHatchedI'm going to have to take Lucie out soon. 1.5

hours is long for her at night.M_Tsaphahok

T_AmericanaI'm "good" @ knowing verses but "not good" @ remembering references. In response to Raymond, I was TRYING to agree with him and think of the verse that says something like GOD knows the heartT_AmericanaAny other requests and/or praises?T_AmericanaIf so, fine, if not, would someone like to close in prayer please?ajI would like prayer for the pizza guy, he is having a rough couple of

weeks between personal and his business.T_AmericanaOk

T_AmericanaWould someone please close us in prayer? I'd also real quick like to encourage EVERYONE to be here next week and try to EACH ONE REACH ONE as 1 song saysM_TwiceHatchedI shall pray...M_TwiceHatchedOur most gracious heavenly Father, we come before you with thankful hearts for the sharing of Your Word. We lift each and every one of the prayer requests to You, and ask that You fulfill them with

Your will, not ours.M_TwiceHatchedFather, bless Americana for the work that she has done to prepare this study, and let each of us carry something away that we can use to spread Your word in our everyday worlds.M_TwiceHatchedThank you, Daddy, for our many blessings and opportunities, including the ability to worship together in such a format as this.M_TwiceHatchedPlease continue to bless each and every one of us, as You see fit. These things we ask in Jesus' name, Amen.

ajAmen

T_AmericanaThanks Twice.M_Tsaphahamen

M_Tsaphahand..........

M_TsaphahFrom Numbers 6:23 we read: The LORD said to Moshe, "Tell Aaaron and his sons this is how you are to bless the people - May the Lord bless you and keep you, May He make His face to shine upon you and be gracious to you and may the Lord lift up His countenance upon you and grant you peace". We pray this in the name of the Sar Shalom - the Prince of Peace- Yeshua

HaMashiach - Jesus the Messiah - amenajamen