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    The popular belief that religion is the cause of the world’s bloodiest conflicts is central to

    our modern conviction that faith and politics should never mix. But the messy history of 

    their separation suggests it was never so simple

    Karen Armstrong

    Thursday 25 September 2014 06.00 BST

    As we watch the fighters of the Islamic State (Isis) rampaging through the Middle

    East, tearing apart the modern nation-states of Syria and Iraq created by

    departing European colonialists, it may be difficult to believe we are living in the

    21st century. The sight of throngs of terrified refugees and the savage and

    indiscriminate violence is all too reminiscent of barbarian tribes sweeping away

    the Roman empire, or the Mongol hordes of Genghis Khan cutting a swath

    through China, Anatolia, Russia and eastern Europe, devastating entire cities and

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    massacring their inhabitants. Only the wearily familiar pictures of bombs falling

    yet again on Middle Eastern cities and towns – this time dropped by the United

    States and a few Arab allies – and the gloomy predictions that this may become

    another Vietnam, remind us that this is indeed a very modern war.

    The ferocious cruelty of these jihadist fighters, quoting the Qur’an as they behead

    their hapless victims, raises another distinctly modern concern: the connection between religion and violence. The atrocities of Isis would seem to prove that

    Sam Harris, one of the loudest voices of the “New Atheism”, was right to claim

    that “most Muslims are utterly deranged by their religious faith”, and to conclude

    that “religion itself produces a perverse solidarity that we must find some way to

    undercut”. Many will agree with Richard Dawkins, who wrote in The God

    Delusion that “only religious faith is a strong enough force to motivate such utter

    madness in otherwise sane and decent people”. Even those who find these

    statements too extreme may still believe, instinctively, that there is a violentessence inherent in religion, which inevitably radicalises any conflict – because

    once combatants are convinced that God is on their side, compromise becomes

    impossible and cruelty knows no bounds.

    Despite the valiant attempts by Barack Obama and David Cameron to insist that

    the lawless violence of Isis has nothing to do with Islam, many will disagree. They

    may also feel exasperated. In the west, we learned from bitter experience that the

    fanatical bigotry which religion seems always to unleash can only be contained by

    the creation of a liberal state that separates politics and religion. Never again, we

     believed, would these intolerant passions be allowed to intrude on political life.

    But why, oh why, have Muslims found it impossible to arrive at this logical

    solution to their current problems? Why do they cling with perverse obstinacy to

    the obviously bad idea of theocracy? Why, in short, have they been unable to

    enter the modern world? The answer must surely lie in their primitive and

    atavistic religion.

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    But perhaps we should ask, instead, how it came about that we in the west

    developed our view of religion as a purely private pursuit, essentially separate

    from all other human activities, and especially distinct from politics. After all,

    warfare and violence have always been a feature of political life, and yet we alone

    drew the conclusion that separating the church from the state was a prerequisite

    for peace. Secularism has become so natural to us that we assume it emerged

    organically, as a necessary condition of any society’s progress into modernity. Yet

    it was in fact a distinct creation, which arose as a result of a peculiar

    concatenation of historical circumstances; we may be mistaken to assume that it

    would evolve in the same fashion in every culture in every part of the world.

    We now take the secular state so much for granted that it is hard for us to

    appreciate its novelty, since before the modern period, there were no “secular”institutions and no “secular” states in our sense of the word. Their creation

    required the development of an entirely different understanding of religion, one

    that was unique to the modern west. No other culture has had anything remotely

    like it, and before the 18th century, it would have been incomprehensible even to

    European Catholics. The words in other languages that we translate as “religion”

    invariably refer to something vaguer, larger and more inclusive. The Arabic word

    din signifies an entire way of life, and the Sanskrit dharma covers law, politics,

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    and social institutions as well as piety. The Hebrew Bible has no abstract concept

    of “religion”; and the Talmudic rabbis would have found it impossible to define

    faith in a single word or formula, because the Talmud was expressly designed to

     bring the whole of human life into the ambit of the sacred. The Oxford Classical

    Dictionary firmly states: “No word in either Greek or Latin corresponds to the

    English ‘religion’ or ‘religious’.” In fact, the only tradition that satisfies the

    modern western criterion of religion as a purely private pursuit is Protestant

    Christianity, which, like our western view of “religion”, was also a creation of the

    early modern period.

    Traditional spirituality did not urge people to retreat from political activity. The

    prophets of Israel had harsh words for those who assiduously observed the

    temple rituals but neglected the plight of the poor and oppressed. Jesus’s famous

    maxim to “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s” was not a plea for the

    separation of religion and politics. Nearly all the uprisings against Rome in first-century Palestine were inspired by the conviction that the Land of Israel and its

    produce belonged to God, so that there was, therefore, precious little to “give

     back” to Caesar. When Jesus overturned the money-changers’ tables in the

    temple, he was not demanding a more spiritualised religion. For 500 years, the

    temple had been an instrument of imperial control and the tribute for Rome was

    stored there. Hence for Jesus it was a “den of thieves”. The bedrock message of 

    the Qur’an is that it is wrong to build a private fortune but good to share your

    wealth in order to create a just, egalitarian and decent society. Gandhi wouldhave agreed that these were matters of sacred import: “Those who say that

    religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion means.”

    The myth of religious violence

    Before the modern period, religion was not a separate activity, hermetically

    sealed off from all others; rather, it permeated all human undertakings, including

    economics, state-building, politics and warfare. Before 1700, it would have been

    impossible for people to say where, for example, “politics” ended and “religion” began. The Crusades were certainly inspired by religious passion but they were

    also deeply political: Pope Urban II let the knights of Christendom loose on the

    Muslim world to extend the power of the church eastwards and create a papal

    monarchy that would control Christian Europe. The Spanish inquisition was a

    deeply flawed attempt to secure the internal order of Spain after a divisive civil

    war, at a time when the nation feared an imminent attack by the Ottoman empire.

    Similarly, the European wars of religion and the thirty years war were certainly

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    exacerbated by the sectarian quarrels of Protestants and Catholics, but their

    violence reflected the birth pangs of the modern nation-state.

    Before the modern period, religion was not a separateactivity, it permeated all human undertakings

    It was these European wars, in the 16th and 17th centuries, that helped create

    what has been called “the myth of religious violence”. It was said that Protestants

    and Catholics were so inflamed by the theological passions of the Reformation

    that they butchered one another in senseless battles that killed 35% of the

    population of central Europe. Yet while there is no doubt that the participants

    certainly experienced these wars as a life-and-death religious struggle, this was

    also a conflict between two sets of state-builders: the princes of Germany and theother kings of Europe were battling against the Holy Roman Emperor, Charles V,

    and his ambition to establish a trans-European hegemony modelled after the

    Ottoman empire.

    If the wars of religion had been solely motivated by sectarian bigotry, we should

    not expect to have found Protestants and Catholics fighting on the same side, yet

    in fact they often did so. Thus Catholic France repeatedly fought the Catholic

    Habsburgs, who were regularly supported by some of the Protestant princes. Inthe French wars of religion (1562–98) and the thirty years war, combatants

    crossed confessional lines so often that it was impossible to talk about solidly

    “Catholic” or “Protestant” populations. These wars were neither “all about

    religion” nor “all about politics”. Nor was it a question of the state simply “using”

    religion for political ends. There was as yet no coherent way to divide religious

    causes from social causes. People were fighting for different visions of society,

     but they would not, and could not, have distinguished between religious and

    temporal factors in these conflicts. Until the 18th century, dissociating the twowould have been like trying to take the gin out of a cocktail.

    By the end of the thirty years war, Europeans had fought off the danger of 

    imperial rule. Henceforth Europe would be divided into smaller states, each

    claiming sovereign power in its own territory, each supported by a professional

    army and governed by a prince who aspired to absolute rule – a recipe, perhaps,

    for chronic interstate warfare. New configurations of political power were

     beginning to force the church into a subordinate role, a process that involved a

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    fundamental reallocation of authority and resources from the ecclesiastical

    establishment to the monarch. When the new word “secularisation” was coined

    in the late 16th century, it originally referred to “the transfer of goods from the

    possession of the church into that of the world”. This was a wholly new

    experiment. It was not a question of the west discovering a natural law; rather,

    secularisation was a contingent development. It took root in Europe in large part

     because it mirrored the new structures of power that were pushing the churches

    out of government.

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    These developments required a new understanding of religion. It was provided

     by Martin Luther, who was the first European to propose the separation of church

    and state. Medieval Catholicism had been an essentially communal faith; most

    people experienced the sacred by living in community. But for Luther, theChristian stood alone before his God, relying only upon his Bible. Luther’s acute

    sense of human sinfulness led him, in the early 16th century, to advocate the

    absolute states that would not become a political reality for another hundred

    years. For Luther, the state’s prime duty was to restrain its wicked subjects by

    force, “in the same way as a savage wild beast is bound with chains and ropes”.

    The sovereign, independent state reflected this vision of the independent and

    sovereign individual. Luther’s view of religion, as an essentially subjective and

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    private quest over which the state had no jurisdiction, would be the foundation of 

    the modern secular ideal.

    But Luther’s response to the peasants’ war in Germany in 1525, during the early

    stages of the wars of religion, suggested that a secularised political theory would

    not necessarily be a force for peace or democracy. The peasants, who were

    resisting the centralising policies of the German princes – which deprived them of their traditional rights – were mercilessly slaughtered by the state. Luther

     believed that they had committed the cardinal sin of mixing religion and politics:

    suffering was their lot, and they should have turned the other cheek, and

    accepted the loss of their lives and property. “A worldly kingdom,” he insisted,

    “cannot exist without an inequality of persons, some being free, some

    imprisoned, some lords, some subjects.” So, Luther commanded the princes, “Let

    everyone who can, smite, slay and stab, secretly or openly, remembering that

    nothing can be more poisoned, hurtful, or devilish than a rebel.”

    Dawn of the liberal state

    By the late 17th century, philosophers had devised a more urbane version of the

    secular ideal. For John Locke it had become self-evident that “the church itself is

    a thing absolutely separate and distinct from the commonwealth. The boundaries

    on both sides are fixed and immovable.” The separation of religion and politics –

    “perfectly and infinitely different from each other” – was, for Locke, written into

    the very nature of things. But the liberal state was a radical innovation, just asrevolutionary as the market economy that was developing in the west and would

    shortly transform the world. Because of the violent passions it aroused, Locke

    insisted that the segregation of “religion” from government was “above all things

    necessary” for the creation of a peaceful society.

    Hence Locke was adamant that the liberal state could tolerate neither Catholics

    nor Muslims, condemning their confusion of politics and religion as dangerously

    perverse. Locke was a major advocate of the theory of natural human rights,

    originally pioneered by the Renaissance humanists and given definition in the

    first draft of the American Declaration of Independence as life, liberty and

    property. But secularisation emerged at a time when Europe was beginning to

    colonise the New World, and it would come to exert considerable influence on the

    way the west viewed those it had colonised – much as in our own time, the

    prevailing secular ideology perceives Muslim societies that seem incapable of 

    separating faith from politics to be irredeemably flawed.

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    The reign of terror plunged France into an irrational bloodbath, in which 17,000 men, women and children wereexecuted

    This introduced an inconsistency, since for the Renaissance humanists there

    could be no question of extending these natural rights to the indigenous

    inhabitants of the New World. Indeed, these peoples could justly be penalised for

    failing to conform to European norms. In the 16th century, Alberico Gentili, a

    professor of civil law at Oxford, argued that land that had not been exploited

    agriculturally, as it was in Europe, was “empty” and that “the seizure of [such]

    vacant places” should be “regarded as law of nature”. Locke agreed that the

    native peoples had no right to life, liberty or property. The “kings” of America, he

    decreed, had no legal right of ownership to their territory. He also endorsed a

    master’s “Absolute, arbitrary, despotical power” over a slave, which included

    “the power to kill him at any time”. The pioneers of secularism seemed to be

    falling into the same old habits as their religious predecessors. Secularism was

    designed to create a peaceful world order, but the church was so intricately

    involved in the economic, political and cultural structures of society that the

    secular order could only be established with a measure of violence. In North

    America, where there was no entrenched aristocratic government, the

    disestablishment of the various churches could be accomplished with relative

    ease. But in France, the church could be dismantled only by an outright assault;

    far from being experienced as a natural and essentially normative arrangement,

    the separation of religion and politics could be experienced as traumatic and

    terrifying.

    During the French revolution, one of the first acts of the new national assembly

    on November 2, 1789, was to confiscate all church property to pay off the

    national debt: secularisation involved dispossession, humiliation andmarginalisation. This segued into outright violence during the September

    massacres of 1792, when the mob fell upon the jails of Paris and slaughtered

     between two and three thousand prisoners, many of them priests. Early in 1794,

    four revolutionary armies were dispatched from Paris to quell an uprising in the

    Vendée against the anti-Catholic policies of the regime. Their instructions were to

    spare no one. At the end of the campaign, General François-Joseph Westermann

    reportedly wrote to his superiors: “The Vendée no longer exists. I have crushed

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    children beneath the hooves of our horses, and massacred the women … The

    roads are littered with corpses.”

    Ironically, no sooner had the revolutionaries rid themselves of one religion, than

    they invented another. Their new gods were liberty, nature and the French

    nation, which they worshipped in elaborate festivals choreographed by the artist

    Jacques Louis David. The same year that the goddess of reason was enthroned onthe high altar of Notre Dame cathedral, the reign of terror plunged the new nation

    into an irrational bloodbath, in which some 17,000 men, women and children

    were executed by the state.

    To die for one’s country

    When Napoleon’s armies invaded Prussia in 1807, the philosopher Johann

    Gottlieb Fichte similarly urged his countrymen to lay down their lives for the

    Fatherland – a manifestation of the divine and the repository of the spiritualessence of the Volk. If we define the sacred as that for which we are prepared to

    die, what Benedict Anderson called the “imagined community” of the nation had

    come to replace God. It is now considered admirable to die for your country, but

    not for your religion.

    As the nation-state came into its own in the 19th century along with the

    industrial revolution, its citizens had to be bound tightly together and mobilised

    for industry. Modern communications enabled governments to create and

    propagate a national ethos, and allowed states to intrude into the lives of their

    citizens more than had ever been possible. Even if they spoke a different language

    from their rulers, subjects now belonged to the “nation,” whether they liked it or

    not. John Stuart Mill regarded this forcible integration as progress; it was surely

     better for a Breton, “the half-savage remnant of past times”, to become a French

    citizen than “sulk on his own rocks”. But in the late 19th century, the British

    historian Lord Acton feared that the adulation of the national spirit that laid such

    emphasis on ethnicity, culture and language, would penalise those who did not

    fit the national norm: “According, therefore, to the degree of humanity and

    civilisation in that dominant body which claims all the rights of the community,

    the inferior races are exterminated or reduced to servitude, or put in a condition

    of dependence.”

    The Enlightenment philosophers had tried to counter the intolerance and bigotry

    that they associated with “religion” by promoting the equality of all human

     beings, together with democracy, human rights, and intellectual and political

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    liberty, modern secular versions of ideals which had been promoted in a religious

    idiom in the past. The structural injustice of the agrarian state, however, had

    made it impossible to implement these ideals fully. The nation-state made these

    noble aspirations practical necessities. More and more people had to be drawn

    into the productive process and needed at least a modicum of education.

    Eventually they would demand the right to participate in the decisions of 

    government. It was found by trial and error that those nations that democratised

    forged ahead economically, while those that confined the benefits of modernity

    to an elite fell behind. Innovation was essential to progress, so people had to be

    allowed to think freely, unconstrained by the constraints of their class, guild or

    church. Governments needed to exploit all their human resources, so outsiders,

    such as Jews in Europe and Catholics in England and America, were brought into

    the mainstream.

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    Yet this toleration was only skin-deep, and as Lord Acton had predicted, an

    intolerance of ethnic and cultural minorities would become the achilles heel of 

    the nation-state. Indeed, the ethnic minority would replace the heretic (who had

    usually been protesting against the social order) as the object of resentment in the

    new nation-state. Thomas Jefferson, one of the leading proponents of the

    Enlightenment in the United States, instructed his secretary of war in 1807 that

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    Native Americans were “backward peoples” who must either be “exterminated”

    or driven “beyond our reach” to the other side of the Mississippi “with the beasts

    of the forest”. The following year, Napoleon issued the “infamous decrees”,

    ordering the Jews of France to take French names, privatise their faith, and

    ensure that at least one in three marriages per family was with a gentile.

    Increasingly, as national feeling became a supreme value, Jews would come to be

    seen as rootless and cosmopolitan. In the late 19th century, there was an

    explosion of antisemitism in Europe, which undoubtedly drew upon centuries of 

    Christian prejudice, but gave it a scientific rationale, claiming that Jews did not fit

    the biological and genetic profile of the Volk, and should be eliminated from the

     body politic as modern medicine cut out a cancer.

    When secularisation was implemented in the developing world, it was

    experienced as a profound disruption – just as it had originally been in Europe.

    Because it usually came with colonial rule, it was seen as a foreign import andrejected as profoundly unnatural. In almost every region of the world where

    secular governments have been established with a goal of separating religion and

    politics, a counter-cultural movement has developed in response, determined to

     bring religion back into public life. What we call “fundamentalism” has always

    existed in a symbiotic relationship with a secularisation that is experienced as

    cruel, violent and invasive. All too often an aggressive secularism has pushed

    religion into a violent riposte. Every fundamentalist movement that I have

    studied in Judaism, Christianity and Islam is rooted in a profound fear of annihilation, convinced that the liberal or secular establishment is determined to

    destroy their way of life. This has been tragically apparent in the Middle East.

    Very often modernising rulers have embodied secularism at its very worst and

    have made it unpalatable to their subjects. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, who founded

    the secular republic of Turkey in 1918, is often admired in the west as an

    enlightened Muslim leader, but for many in the Middle East he epitomised the

    cruelty of secular nationalism. He hated Islam, describing it as a “putrefied

    corpse”, and suppressed it in Turkey by outlawing the Sufi orders and seizing

    their properties, closing down the madrasas and appropriating their income. He

    also abolished the beloved institution of the caliphate, which had long been a

    dead-letter politically but which symbolised a link with the Prophet. For groups

    such as al-Qaida and Isis, reversing this decision has become a paramount goal.

    Ataturk also continued the policy of ethnic cleansing that had been initiated by

    the last Ottoman sultans; in an attempt to control the rising commercial classes,

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    they systematically deported the Armenian and Greek-speaking Christians, who

    comprised 90% of the bourgeoisie. The Young Turks, who seized power in 1909,

    espoused the antireligious positivism associated with August Comte and were

    also determined to create a purely Turkic state. During the first world war,

    approximately one million Armenians were slaughtered in the first genocide of 

    the 20th century: men and youths were killed where they stood, while women,

    children and the elderly were driven into the desert where they were raped, shot,

    starved, poisoned, suffocated or burned to death. Clearly inspired by the new

    scientific racism, Mehmet Resid, known as the “execution governor”, regarded

    the Armenians as “dangerous microbes” in “the bosom of the Fatherland”.

    Ataturk completed this racial purge. For centuries Muslims and Christians had

    lived together on both sides of the Aegean; Ataturk partitioned the region,

    deporting Greek Christians living in what is now Turkey to Greece, while Turkish-

    speaking Muslims in Greece were sent the other way.

    The fundamentalist reaction

    Secularising rulers such as Ataturk often wanted their countries to look modern,

    that is, European. In Iran in 1928, Reza Shah Pahlavi issued the laws of 

    uniformity of dress: his soldiers tore off women’s veils with bayonets and ripped

    them to pieces in the street. In 1935, the police were ordered to open fire on a

    crowd who had staged a peaceful demonstration against the dress laws in one of 

    the holiest shrines of Iran, killing hundreds of unarmed civilians. Policies like this

    made veiling, which has no Qur’anic endorsement, an emblem of Islamic

    authenticity in many parts of the Muslim world.

    Following the example of the French, Egyptian rulers secularised by

    disempowering and impoverishing the clergy. Modernisation had begun in the

    Ottoman period under the governor Muhammad Ali, who starved the Islamic

    clergy financially, taking away their tax-exempt status, confiscating the

    religiously endowed properties that were their principal source of income, and

    systematically robbing them of any shred of power. When the reforming armyofficer Jamal Abdul Nasser came to power in 1952, he changed tack and turned

    the clergy into state officials. For centuries, they had acted as a protective

     bulwark between the people and the systemic violence of the state. Now

    Egyptians came to despise them as government lackeys. This policy would

    ultimately backfire, because it deprived the general population of learned

    guidance that was aware of the complexity of the Islamic tradition. Self-

    appointed freelancers, whose knowledge of Islam was limited, would step into

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    the breach, often to disastrous effect.

    Many regard the west’s devotion to the separation of religionand politics as incompatible with democracy and freedom

    If some Muslims today fight shy of secularism, it is not because they have been

     brainwashed by their faith but because they have often experienced efforts at

    secularisation in a particularly virulent form. Many regard the west’s devotion to

    the separation of religion and politics as incompatible with admired western

    ideals such as democracy and freedom. In 1992, a military coup in Algeria ousted

    a president who had promised democratic reforms, and imprisoned the leaders of 

    the Islamic Salvation Front (FIS), which seemed certain to gain a majority in the

    forthcoming elections. Had the democratic process been thwarted in such anunconstitutional manner in Iran or Pakistan, there would have been worldwide

    outrage. But because an Islamic government had been blocked by the coup, there

    was jubilation in some quarters of the western press – as if this undemocratic

    action had instead made Algeria safe for democracy. In rather the same way,

    there was an almost audible sigh of relief in the west when the Muslim

    Brotherhood was ousted from power in Egypt last year. But there has been less

    attention to the violence of the secular military dictatorship that has replaced it,

    which has exceeded the abuses of the Mubarak regime.

    After a bumpy beginning, secularism has undoubtedly been valuable to the west,

     but we would be wrong to regard it as a universal law. It emerged as a particular

    and unique feature of the historical process in Europe; it was an evolutionary

    adaptation to a very specific set of circumstances. In a different environment,

    modernity may well take other forms. Many secular thinkers now regard

    “religion” as inherently belligerent and intolerant, and an irrational, backward

    and violent “other” to the peaceable and humane liberal state – an attitude withan unfortunate echo of the colonialist view of indigenous peoples as hopelessly

    “primitive”, mired in their benighted religious beliefs. There are consequences to

    our failure to understand that our secularism, and its understanding of the role of 

    religion, is exceptional. When secularisation has been applied by force, it has

    provoked a fundamentalist reaction – and history shows that fundamentalist

    movements which come under attack invariably grow even more extreme. The

    fruits of this error are on display across the Middle East: when we look with

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    horror upon the travesty of Isis, we would be wise to acknowledge that its

     barbaric violence may be, at least in part, the offspring of policies guided by our

    disdain.

     Karen Armstrong’s Fields of Blood: Religion and the History of Violence is

     published today by Bodley Head. She will be appearing on 11 October at the London

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    Karen Armstrong ignores the fact that religion is based on misunderstanding (to use the mildest

    term I can think of). Morality cannot be based on a wrong understanding of human nature.

    Seculism may not have been perfect but it able to progress. Living on the basis of religion cannot

    progress unless it is towards the the one true religion- and as far as I can tell from a limited reading

    of Karen Armstrong's work she doe not believe there is a one true religion.

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    The issue here is the political interference by religion. While personal religion can be about

    about love and peace, their political versions are generally not. Islam and State needs to be

    separate; just as any religious church and state.

    While the idea of uniting religion with state needs thwarting, it is a journey that the citizens of middle eastern countries need to undergo and evolve. We can't instil that with bombs.

    It is always about personal power.

    ISIS brainwashes thousands of Muslims around the world to come and fight and die so that a

    certain few individuals can become leaders of absolute power in a new "Islamic state".

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    The corporate class of America brainwashes over a hundred million right-wing evangelical

    American morons to continue voting for pro-corporate, pro-war politicians who do everything

    for the pursuit of corporate profit and greed in endless wars under the guise of "doing the

    Lord's good work". Ruling (rightwing) politicians in Canada and Australia invoke "god" at

    every opportunity to whip the sheep among the population up into a fervor.

    Religion is simply a tool for insidious ends. And the earlier religion is banished from politics (it

    should be forbidden for any politician to invoke his "god" in public) the better. Pity that in this

    century there are still people who are willing to believe in fanciful tales in order to justify

    voting for "religious" politicians who then use the political mandate to commit war crimes.

    It is simple. Religion is just another form of human tribalism. Knuckle dragging football supporters

    is another one. Fundamentally we like forming into groups and fighting one another. Such is

    humanity

    Fundamentally we like forming into groups and fighting one another

    Absolutely. In New Scientist  (22nd September 2012), there was an article about the basis of 

    conflict. It explained that religions are a source of conflict because they define groups and

    generate sacred values. This enhances conflict because members of the group see outsiders as

    a threat. Furthermore, brain scans have shown that people process these sacred values as

    absolute and moral binding commitments, which limits the chance of reconciliation.

    It explained that religions are a source of conflict because they define groups and generate

    sacred values.-------------------------------------------------A sources is just that - a (1)source. Religion is not the singular source of conflict though, never was and never will be.

    Monotheistic religion most certainly has been and is a source of conflict. When you have a

    belief that says "this is the only correct belief", invest that belief with that faulty belief it is

    the source of morality, and mix it with authority over people's lives it's going to be bad. At

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    least ancient religions were about actions, not belief in creed.

    Ancient Roman religion was based in ritual, but morality was the realm of philosophy. Some

    early Christians went to their deaths rather then sprinkle incense at the feet of an emperor's

    statue. Nothing more, and it was foolish. They believed they had the only correct way and

    were inflexible. Look at the trouble Northern Ireland suffered. The issues go beyond just

    religion, but make no mistake that the view "my fairy tale demands x, so I must do y" is a

    source of conflict.

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