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note: because important websites are frequently "here today but gone tomorrow", the following was archived

from https://www.ufoexplorations.com/ April 17, 2020. This is NOT an attempt to divert readers

from the aforementioned website. Indeed, the reader should only read this back-up copy if the

updated original cannot be found at the original author's site.

The Last Witnesses To Roswell by Anthony Bragalia / https://www.ufoexplorations.com/

2020 marks the 73rd year since the crash of a UFO near Roswell, NM in 1947. Since 1978, many have

related their experience. But it is now 2020 and the youngest servicemen at the involved Roswell Army Air

Field (if 18 yrs old then) would today be 91. All officers there at the time are now deceased as are all of the

involved townspeople and ranchers in the area. Even their sons and daughters (the children of Roswell) are

now in their 80s.

During late-2011 to late-2012, a small group of researchers (including myself and authors Tom Carey, Don

Schmitt, Dr. David Rudiak, and Kevin Randle) teamed to reach the very last of the living witnesses to Roswell.

With the unfortunately acquired moniker “The Roswell Dream Team”, we understood that time stood still for

no one and that it may have been the last opportunity to reach these witnesses. We obviously could not call the

thousands who were at the base at the time. So we selectively chose those who were associated with others who

had previously admitted to involvement with the crash.

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Chasing the hands of the clock using a Roswell base yearbook, a city phone directory from 1947, and online

resources, we found their status and locations. Many were deceased or under care. Of those whose telephone

numbers we found and were able to reach, a number of them preferred to say nothing (or tellingly little).

Several, however, related clear and lucid accounts that strengthen the case for the fall of an extraterrestrial

craft to the desert floor all those years ago. Their stories have not yet been related in books or to the Public.

But several are about to be here-and-now:

“I was told to shoot anyone trying to see it. And nothing has convinced me that it wasn't a Flying

Saucer." -- Pvt. Patrick M. Pappone, 603rd Air Engineering Squadron

2012, with Tom Carey

Pat “Patsy” Pappone spent 3 years and one day at Roswell Army Air Field from

early 1947 through 1949. One of his jobs at the 603rd was Accident Rescue and

Reclamation. He helped supervise, for instance, the August 1948 cleanup of the Julian

Anderson B-29 crash in which 13 airmen were killed.

When reached by researcher Tom Carey, Pappone explained that in July of 1947 he

was a Pvt. at the base and:

“They came and grabbed all of us at night. They put us in trucks and drove us out

into the middle of nowhere where we were posted as guards. We were given carbines

and told to shoot anyone trying to get into or out of the perimeter. Those were our

only orders. We were not told what was going on. My guess is that there must have

been over a hundred-or-more of us as I couldn’t see the entire perimeter. It was too large.

"We were stationed too far away from whatever they were doing to see what was going on. But we would

occasionally see and hear trucks in the distance coming-and-going. We were there for a number of days.

Perhaps as much as a week-or-so. I can’t remember exactly now. But we slept in tents and food was brought in

for us. One day while there, I noticed that a U-shaped fence had been erected apparently during the night as I

had not seen it before.”

He then said that he was threatened.

“While off my duty shift, I decided to go over there and have a look. When I got there, I was challenged by

a man in civilian clothes. ‘Where do you think that you are going? You’d better turn around right now and go

back to where you came from or you will find yourself in Leavenworth. And they will throw away the key.’

"So I beat it out of there. Our last day out there before we were about to climb in the truck, another man in

civilian clothes came up and asked us ‘Did you see anything?’ Most of us didn’t say anything. But a few

jokingly said ‘See what?’ He then let us go and we were driven back to the base.”

Pappone told Carey that it was certainly no weather balloon with all of that commotion and orders to kill.

Speculation at the time that was that it was an experimental craft to an errant atomic bomb. But Pappone

emphatically stated: “Nothing has convinced me that it wasn’t a Flying Saucer.”

The rather obvious questions are: why would the crash of even a classified balloon train (as suggested by the

Air Force) necessitate having servicemen grabbed at night; creating a perimeter around the crash area with over

100 men as far as the eye could see; given arms and orders to shoot to kill intruders; have a fence erected

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around the area; be placed there for over a week’s time to guard; and threatened to say nothing to anyone about

any of it?

“I already forgot about it. I'm supposed to forget."

-- Sgt. Stanley Muelling, 393rd Bomb Squadron

2012, with Kevin Randle

When asked about the event of July 1947, Muelling told Kevin Randle: “That was all

highly Classified and we were never to talk about it.”

Muelling explained his Unit Commander warned them about discussing anything

about this. Even decades later, it appears that Muelling was adhering to orders:

When Kevin asked if he had seen anything himself, Muelling replied: “If I did, I

already forgot about it. I’m supposed to forget.”

Kevin then graciously closed the conversation. It appears Muelling even in the late

winter of his life refused to be transparent about his experience at Roswell. Sometimes

the shortest exchanges are among the most instructive.

“He told me about the UFO crash. But I don't want to remember it."

-- Corporal Ernest Camrenar, Squadron S

The Widow of Corporal Ernest Camrenar, Squadron S

2012, with Anthony Bragalia

Corporal Carmenar had passed before we reached him. But I was able to speak with his

widow. I told her that I was conducting “military history” research and that I had just a few

brief questions of her. She immediately interrupted me.

“I don’t know anything about any of that. I met him and married him years later in the

mid-1950s so I can’t help you.”

I wanted to keep the conversation going so I asked: “So, he was stationed in New

Mexico?”. To which she said: “Mexico?”. And I replied: “New Mexico, Roswell.”

Mrs. Carmenar replied: “Yes, that’s about right. But I told you that I don’t know… I wasn’t with him then.

Now are you trying to do some media thing or what? What is the point of all of this?”

I realized in that instant that Mrs. Carmenar knew exactly why she was skirting my questions and that her

husband had told her about the Incident. I told Mrs. Carmenar (whom I could sense was clearly holding out on

me): “Mrs. Carmenar, I am just making one of many calls to many people. I don’t mean for you to think that I

am singling you out. I am just doing research on the crash that happened there in 1947…"

Mrs. Carmenar interjected in a perturbed way: “But I have explained to you that I was a teenager in ’47. I

didn’t even know him.”

But I was not going to let her get away with that excuse and I knew that I could get more out of her. I said,

“Gee, but when you met before you married him, you must have asked about his military background… All

guys back then went into the military… So he did tell you where he was stationed?"

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She replied: “Of course he did.”

Then I told her that I had talked to people with the base at the time who said that there was an unusual crash

there in the summer of 1947. “Did your husband ever tell you about anything like that?”

Mrs. Carmenar replied: “It was a long time ago. He may have.”

I asked: “Did he tell you in the 80s or 90s when all of the Roswell books and programs first came out? Or

did he tell you back then in the 1950s?”

She responded: “Back then in the 1950s.”

I then point-blank asked her: “Did your husband tell you that a Flying Saucer had crashed there back then?”

She finally admitted: “Yes, he did. He told me. But I don’t want to remember it!”

She then admonished me: “Call other people about this. Why don’t you call other people? I can’t say

anymore.”

I wished her the best and thanked her. Afterwards, I felt sick for her. I had unintentionally upset her over

something that she clearly wished I had not brought up. The reality of the visiting Alien which she knew to be

true based on the one she trusted most (her husband).

“Never seen anything like it ... Oh by the way, it wasn't ours."

-- Family of Sgt. Herschel C. Galyon, 830th Bomb Squadron

2012, with Tom Carey

Gaylon was selected to try to reach because of his direct association with SSgt.

Milton Sprouse as crewmember on the famous B-29 “Dave’s Dream” nuclear bomber

with flights from RAAF. Sprouse was the crew chief. Sprouse had previously related

to researchers stunning details of the event [link].

Unfortunately, Gaylon had passed many years ago from a heart defect. His wife

died some years after her husband. Tom Carey, however, was successful in finding

and interviewing Gaylon’s daughter Diana Holt who lives in the small town of

Philadelphia, TN.

Holt indicated that her father did not discuss his military time with her much. But

that she did ask him about Roswell and UFOs as she did know that he was there during that time period. His

reply to her was a curious.

“I will tell you this. There is nothing to be afraid of.”

And then he told her sometime later that he was TDY (temporary duty) in Florida during the time of the

Incident. But he understood that there were 2 crash sites.

Carey was not able to get much more as Gaylon did not tell his daughter much more. But she suggested

Carey contact her brother who may have known more.

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Carey contacted Kent Gaylon in Indiana who answered the phone. Carey explained the nature of his call to

Kent. The son indeed learned a bit more than the daughter: Though his father was sparing, he related to Kent

that “They told everyone not to talk about it and he was just following orders as he was career military.”

But a few times when his father’s Roswell army buddies would come visiting, Kent would eavesdrop. It

turns out that his father although TDY in flight when the crash happened, did indeed return in time to help with

the cleanup himself.

Kent says: “My Dad was on TDY on a flight to Florida when the Incident happened. Upon return to

Roswell, he and his crew were immediately told to change into their 'filthies' (i.e., fatigues used for dirty work)

and report to a designated bus nearby for a special detail. He recognized his crewmates but not the others who

filled the vehicle. The bus drove north on the main highway out of town for a half-hour to 40 minutes and then

left the road and went into the desert for a mile-or-two to an area of the desert that was covered with thousands

of little pieces that felt like silvery fabric*. [A ”silvery fabric” as mentioned by Gaylon was also reported by

others including Roswell base Intel Officer Jesse Marcel Sr. (who spoke of ‘porous’ foil-like fabric-type

material among other types of debris) and by the neighbor of Mac Brazel, the rancher who found the crash site.

Sally Tandolini also spoke of a tough “metal-like fabric that you could blow through.”]

"My Dad said that he had never seen or handled anything like that before or since. Everyone on the bus was

given a burlap to pick up the little pieces in. He said there were no larger pieces that he could see which he

assumed had been already picked up by an earlier crew. He filled his bag. It took the team several hours to

clean up the site. After which they turned in their bags and were told not to talk about where they had been or

what they had done.

“When I finally asked my Dad about this, he confirmed the story to me and concluded with the statement:

'Oh by the way, it wasn’t ours.' My Dad was also aware that a number of officers had been reassigned after the

incident to 'Parts Unknown'.”

“I was told in 1952 that it wasn't from here by Officer Walter Haut. And Glenn Dennis spoke of little

caskets."

-- Cpl. Charles Contrufello, 603rd Air Engineering Squadron

(retired as Chief Warrant Officer of the 509th)

2012, with Anthony Bragalia

Other testimony from the 603rd Air Engineering Squadron (like Pat

Pappone’s above) comes from a phone interview that I conducted with Charles

Contrufello who was with Roswell Army Air Field (later Walker Air Base) for

fourteen years, retiring as Chief Warrant Officer.

Charles was 93 when I reached him. He was articulate, cheerful and

forthcoming about what he knew. He had 2 intriguing personal stories. One

about his subordinates being sent to the crash field and after their return refusing

to tell him anything about it. And one concerning Roswell witnesses Walter

Haut and Glenn Dennis and what they said to him 30 years before they were

found by researchers:

“I was not at the crash site myself. But two of my guys were sent."

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I asked Charles who sent them to which he replied: "It came from Butch (Blanchard) the Commander."

I asked Charles what they said when they came back.

“They didn’t. They would just say that it was ‘debris’. That’s it. I asked them more than once and they just

wouldn’t say anything more. So that was it. So I left it alone. But those boys saw something.”

I asked if Charles knew Jesse Marcel, the involved intelligence officer at the base. He said that he knew

him “fairly well” and that “Jesse was a straight-shooter. I do not believe that he made up those things that he

said.”

Things got very interesting when Charles offered that he knew Lt. Walter Haut, the base Public Information

Officer in 1947 (who made a signed confession before he died to seeing the alien bodies) and also Glenn

Dennis, the town mortician in 1947 (who claimed receiving strange calls from the base about the availability of

child caskets, and an encounter with a nurse who said she witnessed alien bodies there). I asked if they had ever

talked about the crash event before all of the books and programs came out in the 1980s and 90s.

He said: “Oh yes. Walt and Glenn both talked about it before the books and things. I remember Walt and

Glenn were in the coffee shop -- like a Denny’s -- back in 1952. We discussed it a little. Walt said that it

wasn’t from here and that they still did not know what it was. He said that it was not a balloon. I did not know

what to think! He wouldn’t say much more than that. I’d ask but he’d never say more… H believed what he

was telling me.”

I then asked him about Glenn Dennis to which Contrufello replied: “I knew Glenn pretty well. He was

there with me at the coffee shop, too. He did talk about the strange call from the base about a coffin. He and

Walt were both believers.”

Like Walt, Glenn according to Contrufello at that time in 1952 “didn’t want to say much, just enough. After

the crash, people hushed up. But a few years later, there was talk about it again at the base, at Walker. And

that’s when Glenn and Walt mentioned it. That’s why they mentioned it More people were talking about it.”

THE CALLS, THE STORIES AND WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?

These are stories that the men and women above did not seek to tell. Our calls were not expected. We

found them. They were lucid and of clear mind when they talked with us. Without even knowing that we were

going to call them, they easily offered accounts whose fine details corroborated prior testimony garnered over

the decades.

Significantly, just like the 5 people above, not one of the other 10 people reached by our team ever

mentioned a balloon train having been retrieved. What some of these other ten said about what was found will

be related in a future piece at https://www.ufoexplorations.com/ .

It does indeed appear that we have reached the very end of the line in finding any further first-hand witness

testimony. This avenue of investigation is very probably closed. We can’t turn the hourglass over. Even the

children of Roswell (that is, the sons and daughters of the principals who were involved) are now elderly.

Beyond them, we are left with these avenues for understanding more about event:

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● The grandchildren of the involved. They may have been told directly or they may be aware of “general

family knowledge” about the Crash. My grandfather told me more than he told his own son (my

father). And genealogy and military records searches yielded more.

● Some other researchers may have original testimony from first-hand witnesses that has not yet been

released or some may be found one day among the papers of a deceased researcher.

● Finding a left diary or confessional tape mentioning the Event.

● Obtaining a piece of the retrieved Crash debris.

● Locating authenticated government documents affirming the extraterrestrial nature of the Crash (though

every such prior document has been shown to be fraudulent, or authentic but only “suggestive”)

● Discovering science-paper trails (such as this author found on the memory metal portion of the debris =>

https://www.ufoexplorations.com/article-archive) that relate to attempts at reverse-engineering the

Craft’s materials of construction or its systems

The testimony of people (such as private-sector scientists, military, intelligence and security personnel) in

the decades after 1947 who have worked on Roswell-related projects

THE QUEST CONTINUES

When people come together in genuine pursuit of truth, investigations can also yield genuine results. And

just when it seems like all leads are exhausted and no more can be learned, there is more… ... ...

https://www.ufoexplorations.com/roswell-debris-guard-shoot-to-kill

Roswell Crash Debris Guard: "I Was Ordered To Shoot To Kill" by Anthony Bragalia / April 2013

A team of investigators (of which this author is part) has renewed efforts to find and contact the very last

living veterans of the Army Air Force who were at Roswell during the time of a UFO crash that occurred in

early July of 1947. Some of these now octogenarian witnesses have opened up publicly for the very first time.

And some of what they say can only be described as chilling.

If the testimony of one particular Roswell vet holds true, then the Air Force explanation of a Mogul balloon

train accounting for a crashed UFO cannot be. This is because the vet maintains that the Provost Marshal of the

base had issued to him the most extreme and dreaded of commands.

He was ordered to “shoot to kill” anyone who tried to enter the hangar in which the crash debris was stored.

One would not be commanded to kill over a balloon. Serviceman Calvin Cox has held secret his disturbing

Roswell experience for decades. He was ordered to never speak of it. And he never has ... until now.

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The Ultimate Command

To “shoot to kill” on officer’s orders supersedes the normal protocol to apprehend and arrest. It means to

instantly end another person’s life as judge, jury, and executioner.

One such serviceman dutiful enough to do this was PFC Calvin Cox. Cox is pictured

in the Roswell Army Air Field Base Yearbook for 1947. Ond other information indicates

that he was attached to the 3rd Photo Lab.

Cox was found by me during the course of trying to locate those who were with the

Photo Lab at that time. One serviceman who was also affiliated with the Lab (Gene

Neiderschmidt) had suggested that I contact a Calvin Cox “who knew some things he

might now be open to talking about.” Gene explained that Cox had actually guarded the

hangar where the debris was taken. Gene added: “And what he tells you is true. He

would have done anything if he was ordered to. Anything! He was a tough kind of guy.”

I reached Calvin Cox by phone very recently. His story was one that he was at first

reluctant to tell. But what he did relate was remarkable.

Calvin explained that he held Top-Secret clearance. When the debris from the

Roswell crash was being brought to base, Calvin states the he was commanded to perform very urgent guard

duty at Hangar 84. It would be a 4-hour shift. The Provost Marshal Major Edwin Easley instructed Calvin to

guard a portion of the inside of the huge hangar. And Calvin did this. But what gives him pause even today are

the forceful orders that he was given that extraordinary day:

Major Easley had commanded Calvin in absolute terms to “shoot and kill anyone who tried to enter the

hangar that was not authorized to do so.”

And Calvin adds that he was then told by the Major that he would not be using his standard-issue weapon

for guard duty. Instead, Easley issued Calvin a submachine gun to be used with deadly force should anyone try

to cross:

The Roswell Debris Guard's Other Rewvelations

Cox said that there was a guard placed both outside and inside the entrances to the hangar. He was not to go

beyond a rope that was placed just a few feet inside the hangar entrance. Despite this, Calvin had the

opportunity to view some of the incoming Roswell debris from a distance. He saw some of the crash material

sticking out of a 60-foot flatbed filling perhaps just half of the trailer’s capacity.

He indicates that it appeared that the crash material may have been metal-like but that he could tell it was

protruding out in beams and appeared shiny and smooth. Some of it may have had a burnished or tarnished

coloring. Far back in the poorly-lit hangar, he could see about 30 feet of strange structured metal-like material

that was similar to what he had seen in the flatbed.

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Cox states that at no time during this event did he see

anything resembling a balloon or balloon train. He

remembers the newspapers later stating that the disc was

found out to have been a balloon after all and personally

knowing that was not true but being unable to say anything.

Calvin believes that Intelligence Officer Major Jesse

Marcel’s late-in-life disclosures about finding material in the

desert not from Earth are true. Calvin says that Jesse was

“straight forward” and that Jesse was set up as a “fall guy.”

After the crash, Calvin noticed that there were personnel

around the base in great numbers that he knew to have been

affiliated with Intelligence agencies including both the FBI and the OSI.

When I asked him what happened to the debris, Cox said that he knew that pilot Captain Oliver “Pappy”

Henderson was involved in flying some of it out to another location. (Many years ago, researchers documented

that Henderson had confessed to family that he had personally seen the alien bodies and strange debris.)

Calvin today maintains that what he guarded must have been of such importance that it affected National

Security. And he believes that what crashed was “piloted.” When I asked by whom, he replied with a question:

“Do you believe in Aliens?”

The Major, His Orders, and His Confession

Major Edwin Easley was the Provost Marshal at Roswell Army Air Field in

July of 1947. A Provost Marshal is the head of the Military Police group at a

base of military operations. He is the officer in charge of this unit and thus is

responsible for military discipline, maintaining order, and other police functions.

Easley was the one who issued the kill order to Calvin Cox. It is believed that

Easley as Provost Marshal also secured the Crash site.

When Easley was reached in 1991 by researcher Kevin Randle, he was asked

if he thought that they were “following the right path” on the true nature of the

Roswell crash. Easley asked “What do you mean?”

When it was clarified as referring to “the extraterrestrial path” Easley

responded: “Well let me put it to you this way. That’s not the wrong path.”

He would say no more, indicating that he was “sworn to secrecy.”

His daughter Nancy Johnston Easley has stated that her father said to her that he had made a promise to

President Truman not to reveal anything. During his last days, Easley finally confirmed to his family members

(and to his physician Dr. Harold Granik) that there was a "real crash" that occurred “North of Roswell.” When

asked what he had seen out there in the desert, Edwin replied: “Creatures.”

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https://www.ufoexplorations.com/was-obama-briefed-on-roswell

Was Obama Briefed On Roswell? by Anthony Bragalia (originally published Nov 2008)

How are the Secrets of the Nation revealed to incoming Presidents? Who reveals? What is said? Is

everything told them?

Briefing these secrets to the new Commander-In-Chief is in itself a necessarily veiled process. Precisely

how it is done and what is said remains unknowable. We can surmise that details were related on matters of

National Security and on matters of International import. But does this intelligence briefing extend to

intelligence on things Cosmic? Is our new leader told that Man is not alone in the Universe? Is he made aware

that a craft from another world crashed in our country 6 decades ago? Does the new President know about

Roswell?

We understand that the intelligence briefing process is one that is gradual. It is delivered "incrementally".

Both party presidential candidates (Obama and McCain) were given briefings in early September of this year by

Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell. The briefings were characterized by him as

"substantive". Of course, no further details about it were given.

According to Reuters, this week President-Elect Obama is "beginning to receive intelligence briefings as

part of his transition to the White House". Presumably much more is being told to Obama this week in these

briefings as President-Elect than was told to him 8 weeks ago as a presidential candidate. We can infer that

once sworn in, President Obama will be told even more.

Obama was asked by the late Tim Russert during a presidential debate about extraterrestrial beings and

intelligent life in the Universe. Obama replied that he was more interested in people's lives here in the United

States. At other times, he has expressed concerns about the associated costs of a mission to Mars and other

manned space flights. Will his lack of interest in things ET limit what is told to him about the subject?

Perhaps personal interest plays little part in considering when (and if) a President is told about such things.

President Clinton engaged members of his team (including his Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell

and Chief of Staff John Podesta) to find out the truth about Roswell. Evidently, Clinton was not ever briefed on

the subject. A copy of the book The Truth About the UFO Crash at Roswell was found in his personal library

during the Ken Starr investigation. Clinton had to make efforts to find out for himself about Roswell.

So did John Podesta. Interestingly, the November 6 New York Times reports that John Podesta is being

considered for the Energy Secretary post under Obama. Amazingly in this same article, The Times says of

Podesta: "If anyone knows the truth about Roswell, NM, it's Mr. Podesta."

It is likely that prior senior-level association with Defense or Intelligence agencies is a requirement for

being "let in" on the revelation of Roswell.

This very thing is hinted at by Vice-President Dick Cheney. He was formerly Defense Secretary under the

senior Bush administration. On a DC public radio interview in 2001, a caller asked Cheney: "Have you ever

been read in to the UFO program?" Instead of firmly replying "No", Cheney was surprised and flustered by the

caller's question. He very cautiously and curiously replied: "Well, if I had been briefed on the subject of UFOs,

it was probably highly Classified and I can't talk about it."

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Cheney's close friend since the 1970s is former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. In 1968, Rumsfeld (as

a US Representative) formally introduced USAF Project Bluebook Advisor Dr. J. Allen Hynek to the House of

Representatives Committee on Science and Aeronautics Symposium on UFOs.

Years later when Rumsfeld was Defense Secretary under President Ford, Hynek approached Rumsfeld

about the UFO subject to see what Rumsfeld had learned, given his position. Rumsfeld rose from his chair,

pointed at Hynek, and said: "You have no right to know!"

Access to the highly compartmentalized Roswell information is given by those who know. And it is only

given to those deemed by them to have a Need-to-Know. Our new President has the Need-To-Know. As the

London Free Times exclaimed in its headlines after the election, we are all living in "A Whole New World!"

Let us hope that life in our New World will include sharing the truth about the lives that exist on Others.

https://www.ufoexplorations.com/children-who-bore-witness-roswell

The Children Who Bore Witness to Roswell: Their Tragic Stories Finally Revealed by Anthony Bragalia (originally published March 2012)

For many, what was seen at Roswell cast a shadow the length of a lifetime. And for the 2 children who

innocently happened on strange things fallen from the sky in 1947 that did not belong, their lifetimes were

short. It is telling that the ‘first-on-the-scene’ witnesses to the unearthly crash materials were the ones who

would say the very least. They were troubled by secrets that were held in their hearts and went to their graves.

The original and untainted witnesses were ranch manager Mack Brazel and 2 New Mexico boys Dee Proctor

and Vernon Brazel.

But suffer the children. And these two indeed suffered. Theirs is a story of silence and of suicide. It is a

tortured tale of drink, divorce, and dying young. It is an incredible account of stolen alien metal and of

frightening threats to juveniles. And the brief but stunning confession of one of these Roswell child witnesses

is related on the Internet for the first time ever here-and-now:

The Ranch Man's Son: Vern Brazel

Mack Brazel managed a ranch that was owned by twin brothers H.S. “Henry” Foster

and J.B. “Jasper” Foster. Vernon was Mack’s son. Vern was 8 years old in 1947. He is

very rarely mentioned in the Roswell UFO crash saga. In fact, Vern is mentioned only

once (and fleetingly) in only one edition of one of Roswell’s two newspapers at the time

and in none of the newspapers in the Country that carried the story. Only the Roswell

Daily Record’s July 9th 1947 issue mentions the ranch man’s son and states in part:

“Brazel related… that he and his 8 year old son came across the large area of

wreckage…”

That is all that has ever been written about Vernon Brazel. And no one ever got to

talk to him because he left New Mexico as soon as he legally could. And no one could

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find Vern Brazel because he changed his name and moved from state-to-state. And no one will ever be able to

talk to Vernon Brazel because he shot himself young with a handgun, instantly ending his life with a bullet to

his head.

This author learned from Loretta Proctor (neighbor to Mack Brazel) in conversations about 4 years ago that

Vernon was a very close friend with her son Dee who was also there at the discovery of the crash scene. Dee

was 7 and Vern was 8. Both were what she called “little ranchers” who helped Mack with chores on weekends

and during summers.

When I first mentioned Vern’s name to Loretta, however, she snapped: “What do you know about Vern?”

Loretta, who had always before been very accommodating and pleasant, startled me with the way in which she

wanted to know how I knew of Vern.

I then realized the reason for her alarming firmness. Loretta explained that after the crash, Vern “had

adjustment problems, a hard time with the other kids”, and became the brunt of jokes about his Dad’s unusual

find. He wanted to get out of the state as soon as he was of age, Loretta learned. The story followed him

wherever he went.

Loretta told me that Vernon wound up changing his name and “wanted to get as far away from his identity

and this state as he possibly could. He used the last name of Tannehill or Tunnecliffe, I believe. Something

like that.”

Loretta was to find out that after a brief stint in the U.S. Navy, Vernon lived in many places including

Montana, California, and Virginia. But as far as Loretta knew, Vern never returned to New Mexico. “He never

wanted those memories.”

Roswell’s “little secret” about their “little rancher” was about to be told when I asked Loretta: “What

became of Vern?” Loretta hesitated and replied: “Vern took a pistol and killed himself. Shot in the head. He

was only in his 20s.”

Shocked and hearing what I thought was a suppressed weep, I could only say to her: “We both know why.”

Loretta did not reply.

I wanted to confirm as much as I could about this remarkable information imparted to me by Loretta. And

in fact, I was able to ascertain through military records that Vernon Brazel was a shipmate of the USS

Hassayampa at its homeport in Pearl Harbor. Through the Social Security Death Index, I found that both

California and Virginia were given as the last state of residence and as the state where the death certificate was

issued. And he did pass in his 20s. All of this Loretta Proctor had told me. I felt almost guilty fact-checking

her. This is because the ranch woman who has outlived her beloved son Dee and is now nearly a century old –

has always proven to be a woman of truth.

A Boy Named "Dee" : William "Dee" Proctor

“Dee” Proctor was Loretta and Floyd Proctor’s son. Loretta does not like

to talk about Dee in relation to the Roswell crash. And Dee most assuredly did

not want to talk to anyone about it. For many decades the boy witness even as

a senior citizen actively avoided any discussion of the topic. He literally hid

from researchers. His dodging of them was extreme.

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Proctor neighbor John Tilley told me that in the 1980s,when he and Loretta

were in her living room and he happened to mention the Crash, he heard Dee in

the kitchen (who was visiting his mother and eating breakfast) get up quickly

and leave through the back door “like the house was on fire”, thus eluding

Tilley.

John said to me: “I know why Dee didn’t pick up after himself after eating

which he always did at his Mother’s. It’s because he heard us discussing

something he did not want to talk about.”

Several researchers can relate accounts of Dee literally running from them

and not wishing to talk about it in any way. Surely it would have been far far easier for Dee to simply say that it

was too long ago and that he was too young rather than to flee and hide behind his mother Loretta. Even as a

grown adult man, he acted immaturely like a child.

Dee exhibited an extraordinary reluctance to discuss the incident throughout his life. He was also a lifelong

alcoholic but never drinking around his mother Loretta. In fact, he was described to me by more than one as a

“raging alcoholic” (including by a Deputy Clerk at the Lincoln County, NM Clerk’s office.) Dee was nearly

hermetic, divorced, and was morbidly obese. He died at age 66 in January 2006 of a massive heart attack while

driving to a Ruidoso ranch.

Dee was known to have been at the crash site with Mack at the time of its first discovery. It is very telling

that Mack did not tell reporters that Dee was there. He was clearly protecting the boy. Everyone did including

Dee’s mother Loretta and father Floyd. In fact, it would never have been known that Dee was at the Crash had

not researchers Kevin Randle and Don Schmitt been informed that the boy was there by Proctor friends and

neighbors including Tommy Tyree.

Loretta and her late husband Floyd never offered that Dee was there at the Crash site with Mack and Vern

despite prior interviews with researchers. She only admitted that Dee was at the site when it was clear that she

could not deny it. Loretta told me that Dee “worked” for Mack at the grand rate of 25 cents-per-day on

weekends and during summers. Dee, she is certain, returned home by the weekend that first week in July

because she remembers having told Mack that she wanted Dee home for the July 4th weekend festivities. This

is why the July 2/3 crash date is the most likely.

Dee never offered to discuss with others what he knew. He would let his mother Loretta do the talking for

him. I asked Loretta what Dee saw. She used the same fallback line that she has used with other researchers

over the years: “Well, Dee was just a boy. He don’t really remember that at all. He was just a kid.”

Knowing that she had used that excuse before with others, I pressed her. “Loretta, Dee may have been just

a boy when it occurred. But you surely remember what he told you at the time when he returned home. You

were 33 at the time.”

Loretta, for the first and only time in the discussions that I had with her, changed the subject so artfully and

so quickly that I nearly forgot that I had asked the question.

Dee could ride horse, Loretta said, from a very young age. He loved going to the Foster Ranch to help

Mack and the two would ride together. I believe that it is distinctly possible that it was adventuresome young

Dee Proctor who first found the Site and first laid eyes on the debris. Loretta told me that Dee would often “go

off on his own ahead of Mack. Which worried Mack.”

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Dee's Confessions

Dee talked to only one “outsider” about the Crash event and then only by “accident”. And his mother

Loretta spoke only once about details that Dee told her about the site. We now realize that Dee Proctor is to be

considered an historical figure who saw what none of us ever will. But it was a “privilege” that Dee never

sought and a sight he wished that he had never seen.

Dee was with Brazel when he first discovered the debris field. But he was also with Brazel, he told his

mother Loretta, when he discovered “something else” at another site 2-1/2 miles to the east that left him

deeply traumatized for the rest of his life. He never told her exactly what he saw there. But he did take her to

the location in 1994 saying "Here is where Mack found something else."

The only other time that it is known that Dee spoke of the event was by “accident”. Author and researcher

Kevin Randle indicates that on 2 occasions in the 1990s when phoning for Loretta Proctor, her son Dee had

answered. Realizing that these would be “missed opportunities” not to talk to Dee directly, Kevin engaged him

both times in very brief conversation before Dee’s mother got to the phone. Dee quickly and reluctantly

confirmed to Kevin some astounding information:

● He was indeed with Mack at the Crash site the first week in July of 1947 and remembers it

● Military authorities had come to “visit” him to discuss the Crash

● He and Mack did come upon and view a large field of metal-like debris and the remnants of a craft

● He did not believe the material that he saw to be from Earth or made by Man

● He said that he later took some friends out with him to visit the site

This last item is confirmed by Roswell resident Sydney "Jack" Wright who told researchers Tom Carey and

Don Schmitt that 2 sons of rancher Thomas Edington and one of rancher Truman Pierce’s daughters got to "the

other location". (This author is currently trying to locate the Edington sons and the Pierce daughter.)

Dee’s confirmation that he was visited by Military authorities is supported by a confidential contact of noted

researcher and author Nick Redfern. Mr. Redfern indicates that he had learned something about Dee Proctor in

the late 1980s from an elderly dying man who had been a U.S. intelligence asset with a legal background.

Nick explained that the man was “utterly disgusted” by something that he had been made privy to during the

course of conducting an investigation that concerned citizens rights violations by intelligence agents in New

Mexico. The man told Nick that he had found out that Dee Proctor had “the fear of God put in him” by brow-

beating operatives when he was visited by them following the Crash. He was visited at least twice later when

he was grown and was “issued veiled warnings about speaking out as an adult.”

Nick notes astutely: “As a child, he was by definition a wild car, and someone deeply involved but who

obviously did not have the mindset of an adult when it occurred and who was therefore of some concern to the

military.”

Redfern further adds: “And hence why this case was an awkward one from the Military perspective. Giving

the rough treatment to a rancher would not be so hard. Doing likewise to a very young kid would hardly be

what soldiers would want as the highlight of their career.”

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So what was the “something else” that Nick’s source told him that Dee had seen?

Body parts.

Did Dee Steal Roswell Crash "Memory Metal"?

In the summer of 2011, Loretta Proctor’s niece Kay went to visit her Aunt. Kay was accompanied by her

friend Jules and they recorded the Roswell crash recollections of the nonagenarian. Speaking of the widely-

reported “memory metal” that came from the UFO crash scene and that was seen by many witnesses, Loretta

made a jaw-dropping statement.

Jules says that with a “measure of smiling venom” Loretta said of her son Dee: “A certain little brat kept it

(some memory metal) hidden away his whole life.”

The “reminder” visits that Dee received throughout his life were warning visits that Dee should not only

never utter a word but also that if he had the memory metal or knew where pieces may be, he was always under

watch and they would always know where he was and what he was doing.

What The Children Teach Us

The two Roswell children who found the UFO crash site were the first human beings in history to lay eyes

upon the Extraterrestrial and things not made on Earth. Both of them (Dee and Vern) never spoke publicly

about the event for as long as they lived. One of them ran from researchers and one ran from Life itself. Both

had “issues” that seemed insurmountable following the Crash event. And both died young keeping a burden

that ultimately proved too difficult for either to bear.

In their deaths, they remind me of another who was Roswell-involved. The Roswell Base Chaplain

Hankerson told his children repeatedly and trance-like on his deathbed: “Too much knowledge can be a very

bad thing.”

https://www.ufoexplorations.com/roswell-fireman-confesses-it-was-sa

Roswell Fireman Confesses: It WAS a Flying Saucer! by Anthony Bragalia / (originally published March 2009)

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A firefighter who was with the Roswell Fire Department in 1947 has confirmed that the mysterious Crash in

the New Mexico desert that summer was in fact of an unearthly craft.

The firefighter (now age 90) related stunning information to this author in a lengthy interview conducted

recently. Respected Roswell author Kevin Randle also talked with this fireman to confirm the details of his

story.

Some time ago, I located the son of Rue Chrisman. Rue was the Fire Chief for the Roswell Fire Department

in 1947, passing in 1981 at age 98. Chrisman's son explained to me that he knew that the town's Fire

Department was somehow involved in the Crash event. But the son was sparse in his conversation and not

really wishing to elaborate.

When pressed, the son said: "It did happen. There was a big coverup. The Crash was real."

I asked him how he knew of this. He paused and said: "I knew too many who knew."

I then asked him if any Roswell Firemen from 1947 are still alive. He replied that there was still "one left".

He only mentioned the surviving fireman's surname as "Smith" and that one of his family members attends the

same church as the involved fireman. Working with Kevin Randle, we identified and located the elderly

gentleman and sought his testimony.

When reached, the Fireman was somewhat hesitant to discuss the matter. But after some "small talk", he

warmed up to discussion. In a far-ranging conversation, the Fireman related these incredible details:

● An intimidating Colonel from Roswell Army Air Field visited the Roswell Fire Department immediately

after the Crash. The Colonel explained to the firemen who were at the department that day that an

"unknown object from someplace else" had crashed in the desert outside Roswell.

● The Colonel warned that no one was to speak about the Event to anyone ever. He also commanded them

that nobody was to go out to the site or respond to any inquiries about the Event. He explained that

"everything was being handled by the Military."

● Dan Dwyer (another Roswell Fire Department firefighter) did manage to go out to see the Crash site

defying the Colonels orders. He confirms some of the details that Dan Dwyer's daughter Frankie

Rowe has related in numerous interviews over the years. Frankie maintains that her father was able to

view the craft and its occupants.

● Dan related to him that the area surrounding the Crash was secured and cordoned by armed guards.

Firemen went out there on their own volition, not as a "department". The Fireman did not want to talk

too much about Dan Dwyer and Frankie Rowe, though.

● The Crash was of a craft not from Earth. The Fireman explained that it was not a balloon or any type

of military experiment. He said that it was a "UFO".

When I said to him that the term "UFO" was not used back then, he said it was "Unidentified. A

Flying Saucer."

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I asked him how he knew this. He stated that he was certain because of "what I was told at the

time, it happened." He explained that the Colonel did not know what the craft was or from where it

came and that there was great concern over the situation.

● The Roswell City Manager knew about the Event and came into the Fire Department to personally and

forcefully order the department to say nothing of the Crash. Although the Fireman could not recall the

City Manager's name at the time, I knew who it was.

When I mentioned the name "C.M. Woodbury" to him, he said that did seem to be the name. As

it happens, C.M. Woodbury would have been a very intimidating individual with whom to reckon.

This is because C.M. Woodbury was known as the "Iron Major". A decorated War vet of the

notoriously effective 752nd Tank Battalion. Woodbury was also very close friends with Butch

Blanchard, the Roswell Army Air Field base commander.

● The Roswell Army Air Field (RAAF) base Fire Department was heavily involved in the Crash recovery.

The Fireman explained that "this is where the confusion comes from". The Fire Department that was

most heavily involved in the Crash retrieval was not so much the city fire department but the Base's

own Fire Department. He asserted that the RAAF firemen "knew the most" about the Event. He was

unfortunately unable to recall the names of these firemen.

● The Roswell Sheriff's Department was engaged in the coverup of the Crash. The Fireman confirmed that

Deputy Tommy Thompson was someone he knew at the Sheriff's office who was told to "keep the

quiet."

● When asked how he "dealt with the fact that a craft from another world had crashed near Roswell", the

Fireman replied that they had no idea what the implications were. "We just didn't really ever think

about those kind of things at that time. But I do now."

The Fireman's testimony is nothing short of amazing. It confirms the unknown nature of the Roswell Crash

in 1947. It is, however, testimony. I appreciate the difficulties with "testimony". Testimony includes

utterances that are presented as evidence for the claims they express.

There is an inherent problem with all testimony. The speaker's reliability and sincerity are supported only

by words rather than documents, photographs, or other physical evidence. I appreciate that the Fireman's words

are not sufficient to justify the belief that the crash at Roswell was extraterrestrial.

However, when testimony is given by an individual who is in fact who he says he is and who did not come

forward but instead was "found", we should pay attention to that testimony. And the truth of the event does not

depend on taking the speaker's word alone as evidence of truth.

The Fireman's testimony is of special importance because he has never come forward publicly before with

his story. And he has no apparent reason or motivation to lie.

The Fireman's full name will not be released until his death. He is in the last years of life living out his days

peacefully with close family. Author Kevin Randle also talked with the Fireman after I did and agrees that a

barrage of calls and contacts to the elderly man by skeptics and others would be a disservice to an old man.

It is said that when a man becomes a Fireman, his greatest act of bravery has been accomplished. In this

case though, the old Fireman's greatest act of bravery was to tell what he knew about the Roswell event for the

sake of history and truth.

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https://www.ufoexplorations.com/roswell-et-event-confessed-general

“Roswell was an ET Event” confessed 4-star General by Anthony Bragalia (originally published Dec 2013)

6 weeks before he passed, the 4-star General who served as Chairman of the

Joint Chiefs of Staff under President Eisenhower (and who was the Commander of

the Air Materiel Command at Wright Field in July of 1947) confessed to his

namesake son that the Roswell crash was an extraterrestrial event.

Even more astonishingly, he disclosed that one of the aliens had survived.

General Nathan Twining was a West Point grad who was born into a family

that was long associated with the Military. As Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of

Staff, he had risen to become the highest ranking military officer in the U.S.

Armed Forces and principal military advisor to a President. Before retiring with

over 4 decades of service, he was eligible to wear over 30 military medals.

Twining, concerned about the increasing rise in UFO reports during the summer of 1947, had advised the

initiation of a formal study of the mysterious phenomenon. Known as Project Sign, this early official UFO

study was authorized in December of 1947 by General Laurence Craige (Chief of Air Force R&D and

implicated as Roswell-involved by Craige’s pilot Ben Games).

At the time of the Roswell incident, Twining was at Wright Field (where the crash debris was flown) as

Commander of the Air Materiel Command (AMC.) The AMC was charged with research, development,

acquisition, and flight testing of novel, prototype or foreign aircraft and weapons. [StealthSkater note: Lt.

Col. Philip Corso said that he was recipient of the debris and instructed to secretly "seed" it to private

industry which later was responsible for the inventions of the transistor, laser, and night-vision goggles

=> doc pdf URL ]

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Twining would certainly have been well-positioned to have known about what had really happened at

Roswell at the time of the Crash. He likely garnered further details when he was later rewarded for his work by

being named by a President to lead our Nation’s Armed Forces as Joint Chiefs of Staff.

In a formerly classified (and infamous) letter to Air Force General George Schulgen (known as the

“Twining Memo”) Twining writes to the General that the flying disc phenomenon reported “is something real

and not visionary or fictitious.” He went on to consider natural phenomenon and controlled engineered objects

as possibilities.

It now appears evident that Twining knew far more definitively what the phenomenon actually represented.

Buried at the Arlington National Cemetery with full military honors, General Twining died in March of

1982 in Texas at the age of 84.

The General’s Son Reveals His Father’s Roswell Secret

Nathan Twining’s same-named son told investigators (including Tom Carey)

that on UFOs, he had remembered that his father had mentioned to him that he

was very concerned about the increasing number of pilots that were “lost” while

scrambling for and chasing the illusive flying objects.

And a recent and very little-viewed video of testimony given by an

unassuming Englishwoman suggests strongly that General Twining and his son

knew far more about the true nature of Roswell crash than they had ever let on

publicly.

In the video released in September of this year by UK investigator Joanne

Summerscales, a woman named Jo Walters (who is now is her 80s) relates that

she met Nathan Twining, Jr. during the 1997-8 timeframe. What he told her

about his General father has left her startled to this day.

At the time, Jo was along with two friends considering retiring to the United States. She and her friends

were members of a religion that was seeking to establish a community retreat there. It happened that one of her

friends knew of Nathan Twining Jr. who was a member of the same faith in the U.S. She contacted him to let

him know of their intentions. To her delight, he invited her and another friend to spend some time at the guest

quarters at his ranch. He would discuss placing a religious community on one of his expansive New Mexico

land holdings. They accepted his invitation and arrived to a fine welcome.

Later in the visit, Nathan explained to Jo that he was the son of a military General. Given the ranch’s New

Mexico location and his father’s time of service, the talk got around to the Roswell crash.

Nathan Jr. told Jo that his father and he had discussed the matter previously and that at the end of his life,

his father finally came forth on the true nature of the Roswell event.

Nathan said that his father believed that he was always ‘straight’ with his son and that he now wanted to set

the record straight about the Crash. General Twining was apparently sparing in what he told his son. But 6

weeks before he passed, General Twining did confirm:

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● The Roswell incident was in fact an event involving extraterrestrials

● A crew of beings had crashed in the desert

● One of these beings had survived but later expired

● The General added that he had himself visited the being and had communicated with it telepathically

while it was held at a secure Government location in New Mexico.

< Jo Walters being interviewed here >

Nathan Twining Jr. (now elderly, placed under guardianship and believed incapacitated) became recognized

as very successful as both a real estate businessman in Baltimore and as a New Mexico land developer. And he

was as generous as he was prosperous (donating, for instance, acres of land on which to site an observatory for

the Albuquerque Astronomical Society).

He is a man of inherited means with a reputation for genuineness. He had no reason to fabricate or to

dishonor his father’s legacy with lies. And corroboration for Jo Walter’s claims about Twining comes from

several including these individuals:

● Respected veteran UFO researcher Ted Oliphant relates in a Facebook entry that he had also heard from

Nathan Twining Jr. that his General dad saw the Roswell alien and that it had used telepathic means to

communicate. Nathan Jr. added this important element. He was told by his father that the ET

“wanted no contact with us.”

● Paranormal researcher Suzy Ward wrote in 2011 that about 20 years previous, she had purchased some

acreage from Nathan Jr. In conversations with him at that time (and perhaps because of her inclination

to things universal and spiritual), she was related some amazing things about the Crash. Like Jo

Walters and Ted Oliphant, she was told of Nathan’s father’s story about a surviving crew member of a

4-creature crew and about communication by telepathy with the living alien.

● Roswell investigator and author Tom Carey (when emailed the Jo Walters video by this author) confirmed

to me that what Jo states matches up with what he knew to be true about Nathan Twining Jr. He has

met Twining in the past and has been to his ranch estate. Carey said that what Walter’s details about

Twining’s ranch, circumstance, demeanor, and related fine points leads him to believe that she had

indeed visited him in New Mexico.

The Highest Official Confirmation of ET Ever?

If what Nathan Jr. says about Nathan Sr. was true, it represents confirmation at the very highest levels of

Government from one of the most decorated men in military history that the Roswell incident was truly ET.

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https://www.ufoexplorations.com/father-nuclear-medicine-re-saucer

Classified Document confirms that the Father Of Nuclear Medicine and the

Air Force's Medical Chief discussed 1940's Flying Saucer Crash by Anthony Bragalia (originally published Feb 2012)

A formerly Classified letter from early 1950 reveals that the Father of Nuclear Medicine and the Chief of

Medical Research for the U.S. Air Force discussed “bizarre details” surrounding the crash of a flying saucer that

had occurred sometime prior. These two distinguished Men of Science from the 1940s and 1950s may have had

insight into the UFO phenomenon that went far beyond what most at the time knew about fallen ET.

Remarkably, in this same document mention is made of the work of a Battelle Memorial Institute-

associated psychologist who was studying UFO sightings for the US Air Force. This was the very same

organization that was tasked to conduct metallurgical studies of the UFO crash “memory metal” found at

Roswell in 1947 (as related in this author’s series of articles on Battelle.) This psychologist was also associated

with the Aero-Medical Lab at Wright Field (the same lab that new testimony says conducted the examination of

alien corpses).

[StealthSkater note: In late-1985 I responded to a job posting by Battelle and later received an offer to

work on optimizing the F-100 jet engine performance at a WPAFB lab. The setup included many

Modcomp process control computers tied to an IBM mainframe. I had experience with both

computers in my previous Union Carbide job as a scientific applications programmer/analyst. I

was told that it was against Battelle's charter to advertise its services in the public domain. That

made me regard Battelle as a sort of Government/Military thin tank. It turns out that Battelle

invented the photocopier which was later sold to the new Xerox Corporation.]

These Men of Science

USAF Lt. Col. Robert H. Blount was the Chief of the Medical Research Division for the Air Force’s Office

of the Surgeon General. Each branch of service has a “Surgeon General” office that is distinct from the

Surgeon General of the United States. For several years including in 1950, Blount led the Air Force’s

innovation and development activities in a range of medical areas. This included aero-flight medical research,

aircrew health assessments, laboratory analysis, and aviation biology. He was also associated with the U.S.

Research and Development Board. Blount was later named Deputy Commandant of the esteemed Air Force

School of Aviation Medicine.

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Dr. Robley Evans was a world-famous MIT scientist. He was named

Professor Emeritus of the Cambridge institution and he is universally

acknowledged as the “Father of Nuclear Medicine”. He was awarded the

prestigious Enrico Fermi Award for his pioneering work on the effects of

radiation on the human body. The Fermi Award is the highest award

given by the U.S. Department of Energy. Evans' technical achievements

were diverse and included those in areas such as histochemistry, blood and

tissue preservation, and physics. Evans built MIT’s first cyclotron or

“atom-smasher” and the first such system in the World for medical and

biological use.

That these two men of Science (in the fields of flight biology, medical

research, and body studies) were professionally discussing the Crash of a

Flying Saucer in an official and Classified document is remarkable. And

if this crashed saucer was piloted, these scientists (considering their specialities) would no doubt have interest in

the alien bodies.

The Telling Letter

In this letter between the 2 scientists (previously classified “Restricted”) concerning official Government

UFO study, Blount writes to Evans on March 10, 1950:

“It is recently rumored that one of the so-called flying saucers crashed in Mexico. However,

the details are somewhat bizarre at the moment.”

Just before this sentence, Blount discusses with Evans that he has also received information that “a new

report is in the process of being published and will be classified “Top Secret.”

Here is the telling document (click to enlarge):

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In the letter, Blount also alludes to a report by a psychologist who had collaborated with Battelle on early

UFO studies. This psychologist (unnamed in the letter) was Dr. Paul M. Fitts, an Ohio State University

Professor in Columbus, OH (where Battelle is headquartered). Dr. Fitts played a role in designing and

developing UFO sightings questionnaires (which Battelle referred to as “Observer Interrogation Forms”)

according to a formerly secret Battelle “Status Report”. Fitts also consulted with Wright-Patterson on classified

projects areas such as psychology and aero-medical research.

Blount requested that Evans return to him Fitt’s memorandum report (that Blount had enclosed with the

letter) after Evans had read it. Battelle’s involvement in ‘things UFO’ was to be kept under wraps at all costs.

For instance, the USAF’s UFO investigator Edward J. Ruppelt would only refer to Battelle as “Project Bear” or

“a research organization in the Midwest” when discussing their UFO work. And Dr. Howard Cross of Battelle

became very angry with the USAF’s UFO investigator Dr. J. Allen Hynek when Hynek inquired about a memo

(called ‘Pentacle’) that concerned details of Battelle’s earlier UFO studies. (Thanks is extended to Bob Koford

for providing key data on this letter for this article.)

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Corroboration for the ET Crash and Bodies?

In the April 10, 2009 article by this author entitled "AF Roswell Study Contributor Admits: It Was ET" (on

this website), I relate my interview of Lt. Col. Ray Madson. Madson led the “crash test dummy” project that

the Air Force said in their 1997 debunking report accounted for the alien corpses seen at Roswell. Madson

explained that he was “used” by the Air Force.

He also related to me another stunning story. He explained that his wife (whom he met at Wright-Patterson)

was employed as an Administrator at the Wright Aero Medical Laboratory in the early-1950s. This is the very

same lab that Blount’s letter refers to and that Dr. Paul Fitts was consulting to on UFO matters. And it was

during this very same time and at this same laboratory that Madson’s wife told me that she had heard ‘honest

talk from honest people’ about ET bodies that had been ‘brought in’ some years prior from a crash in the

Southwest.

What the Letter means

Who Said It and Why. The letter reveals that a high-level USAF officer who led medical research was

made privy to discussion of a crashed UFO, likely from the late 1940s. This officer must have assigned some

possible validity to this “talk” to have then related it to an esteemed MIT scientist. He relates this information

in a professional capacity on a restricted basis. He addresses Evans as “Dr.” and he signs the letter with his

rank and title.

This is not “idle talk” between friends. It is talk between professionals. Blount had obviously heard about

the crash event while at Wright (or at the Pentagon) from sources that he implicitly trusted or he would not even

have mentioned such a thing to Dr. Evans. He indicates to Dr. Evans that the “details” about the flying saucer

crash are “somewhat bizarre at the moment”.

This means that Col. Blount is aware of specific aspects of the Crash and that he has a more intricate

understanding of it that he has not included in the letter to Dr. Evans. Whether these “bizarre details at the

moment” were clarified to Col. Blount at a later date remains unknown.

“Bizarre” is an interesting choice of words and is intentionally used by Blount. These “details” about the

crash are certainly of an unusual nature involving unexpected elements. Just what are these “bizarre details”?

Over 6 decades of research later, I think that we know full well what they are:

The Letter Likely Refers to Roswell

Evans says that he heard that the Flying Saucer crash occurred in Mexico. But I believe that in the retelling

(or perhaps deliberately to obfuscate the details), “Mexico” is meant to be “New Mexico” as in Roswell, NM. It

cannot mean the alleged UFO crash south of Del Rio, TX on Mexican soil because this allegedly occurred on

December 6th of that year and the letter was written in March. The letter was composed about 70 days into the

year 1950.

Col. Blount refers to the Crash in the past tense as in ‘sometime prior’ to 1950. He is most certainly

referring to an event that occurred in the late 1940s. Could he have been referring to the Roswell crash in New

Mexico 2½ years before and that credible “rumors” of the event were just then reaching Col. Blount?

The Possible Implications of the Letter

The fact that the officer included any mention at all of a crashed Saucer (or rumors thereof) in a letter that

otherwise concerned itself with serious, US-Government authorized UFO study is in and of itself thoroughly

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remarkable. Given the extraordinary achievements of Dr. Robley Evans, it is inconceivable that Col. Blount

would waste the time of the very busy Dr. Evans to even mention such a paradigm-shifting thing had he not felt

that the Flying Saucer crash talk that he had been made privy to did indeed have veracity. He would not have

uttered a anything about it to Evans had Blount not believed his source.

Is it possible that the aero-medical man Col. Blount later learned the truth about the unidentified aerial

recovered at Roswell? Did Blount receive the further “details” about the event that he no doubt sought? Was

he later himself involved in the ‘body studies’ of alien pilots?

https://www.ufoexplorations.com/of-roswell-and-rockets-v2-film

Of Roswell & Rockets : the Secret V-2 Flying Saucer Film by Anthony Bragalia (originally published Feb 2010)

The White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico played a significant role

in the testing of captured German V-2 rockets in the mid- and late-1940s.

From this massive range, the fierce rockets were regularly launched. These

complex devices of destruction were propelled through the air to test the hurl

of explosives at an enemy.

But new research reveals that the V-2 also somehow "attracted" UFOs and

that our military even purposely cast up V-2s that were mounted with cameras

to take motion pictures of the discs!

A world-famous physicist, a former state congressman, an expert radar

operator, and a Government atmospheric scientist all confirm that Flying

Saucers were drawn to the V-2s and were filmed by the pernicious projectiles.

And there may well have been a Roswell crash connection!

Developed at the end of the Second World War by Nazi

Germany, the V-2 was the world's first long-range combat-

ballistic missile. As the single most expensive development

project of the Third Reich, it was also the first human-made

device to achieve suborbital flight. The progenitor of space

flight and of all modern rockets, these tubes of terror were

horrifying weapons that killed many thousands of people in

Antwerp and London and destroyed critical Allied

infrastructure. The V-2s were captured by the U.S. Military

upon Hitler's defeat and taken to the U.S. and reassembled.

Tested for killer power at White Sands, the V-2 also

provided something that is little-known to most (even today).

Never before seen aerial views and perspectives of the skies and

Earth. This was achieved by skillfully placing still photography

and motion picture equipment onto the rockets. The film (link)

shows a captured V-2 rocket being used as a test platform for the U.S. space program. The date of this

incredible footage is November 22, 1946.

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Sarbacher's story on Saucers and Missiles

Dr. Robert Sarbacher was a preeminent scientist. A Harvard

graduate, he was Dean of the Graduate School of Georgia Institute of

Technology; Director of Research at Wedd Laboratories; an

accomplished inventor; a Scientific Consultant to the U.S. Marines and

government agencies; and connected to the Joint Research and

Development Board (JRDB) of the US DOD. One of his research

specialties was remote-controlled rockets.

In the 1980s, Sarbacher confirmed to researchers William Steinman,

Stan Freidman, Jerry Clark, and William Moore several truths about

UFOs and ET. He indicated that in the early-1950s, he was officially

made aware of a crash of a non-terrestrial craft in the Southwest. (A

crash that occurred at that time or likely sometime prior and may well

have been the Roswell UFO crash.)

He had confirmed to them (as well as to scientist Wilbert Smith of Canada 3 decades prior) that the subject

was classified higher that the development of the Atom Bomb. He said that the debris was very light and very

tough. He understood that the aliens were lightweight and constructed somewhat like insects. He said that a

small group of people were likely involved in the crash debris analysis and included Werner Von Braun,

Vannevar Bush, Robert Oppenheimer, and Eric Walker among others. [StealthSkater note: More on Wilbert

Smith's 'Project Magnet' is at => doc pdf URL ]

Recently, respected researcher D.M. Duncan located Sarbacher's son Robert Sarbacher, Jr. living in Texas.

Duncan had a revealing dialog with Sarbacher's Jr. It was learned that the younger Sarbacher had once

questioned his father about the UFO phenomena. His Dad spoke sparingly about the saucer subject.

Sarbacher Jr. said of his father: "He knew that they were real for the obvious reason that they would be

going 600 mph and then make a direct 90 degree turn in mid-air without slowing down...separated from all

inertia and gravity. Dad said that the reason he was called in was to build the right kind of missile to track these

things since they were way too fast for any of our planes to catch. They wanted the missile to not destroy any

of the UFOs but to be able to track them. So Dad had cameras installed (like on the V-2 rockets) so when the

UFO comes into our air space, we would shoot missiles at them with cameras on them since only a missile

could keep up with the speed turns."

Stunned at the revelation, Duncan wanted to clarify this and Sarbacher's son replied: "Yes. Exactly to track

UFOs. Or rather to photograph and watch them... When he first told me about the missiles...the first thing I

thought was what? You were trying to destroy them? He (Sarbacher Sr.) said very normally and matter of

factly: 'No, we put cameras on the end of them.' "

A Congressman Comments

J. Andrew Kissner was a former New Mexico State Representative from Las Cruces, NM. During the

1990s, Kissner provided assistance to Congressman Steven Schiff of New Mexico in ascertaining the truth

about the UFO crash at Roswell. Schiff was instrumental in facilitating studies conducted by the U.S. GAO and

USAF on the crash.

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Kissner maintains that while he worked in Las Cruces near White Sands

Missile Range, he received information from a trusted high-ranking officer

who worked there. Kissner wrote that at White Sands, he was told that in

1947: "A radar target instantaneously appeared next to the ascending V-2

missile and immediately the V-2 rocket changed course." Kissner says his

White Sands military officer source "saw a photograph of a Flying Disc taken

from a camera aimed through a V-2 rocket window. The object changed

course taking a northeasterly track, one that brought the rocket crashing to

earth 2 minutes later only 6 miles east and slightly north of the community of

Alamogordo, New Mexico, 40 degrees off the V-2's project flight path."

Kissner continues. "Whatever had mysteriously appeared and vanished after observing a V-2 in flight in

close proximity to the rocket, it apparently affected the rocket's trajectory. That event became an immediate

priority with a very small closed circle of highly ranked general staff officers and civilian scientists assigned to

the Joint Research and Development Board (JRDB)."

Kissner wonders if the saucer at Roswell was somehow brought down purposely or inadvertently by such V-

2 or other rocket exercises.

The White Sands Radar Report

Lloyd Eugene Camp was a Sergeant Major who spent many years at White Sands including as a Radar

Operator. Camp died at age 75 in 1993. Recently his daughter Sherry Malin revealed intriguing information

that supports and corroborates the Sarbacher and Kissner White Sands revelations.

Camp's daughter explains. "Back in the 1940s, my father worked at the

White Sands Proving Grounds in Alamogordo, N.M. He helped carry out

top-level research on the only captured German V-2 rockets in existence.

He spent several years there, retiring after 37 years in the Navy. One time

while one of the rockets was being launched, two UFOs appeared alongside

the rocket. My father saw both on radar and visually from where he was.

He saw what appeared to be two silvery discs circling the rocket. He

observed them for several minutes before they suddenly turned on their

sides and zoomed off. Meanwhile, the radar equipment went haywire and

locked in on the Flying Saucers as they quickly vanished from the radar

screen causing the men to lose track of the rocket. He said that he had seen

these Flying Saucers several times circling the V-2 rockets when they were

launched at White Sands."

Camp told his daughter in the last year of his life something else of even greater significance.

"My father told me that he remembered a group of men being sent out from White Sands to help pack up

the crashed ship at Roswell, New Mexico. I believe my father was telling the truth."

Sherry adds: "He didn't say UFO. He said Flying Saucer. Dad said they were aliens. They weren't from

here."

For documentation of Camp's Certificate of Clearance with US Naval Intelligence, click here.

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The Atmospheric Scientist

Yet another substantiation of the V-2 viewed saucers comes from

the U.S. Government itself. By carefully re-examining the official

Government UFO study "Project Twinkle" (which considered in

detail the observations of strange aerial phenomena, including the

mysterious "Green Fireballs"), information was found that further

confirms the V-2 Rocket/UFO connection. This bonafide study

appears to provide direct confirmation of the testimonies of

Sarbacher, Kissner, and Camp.

Buried within a document dated November 27, 1951, Dr. Louis

Elterman (Senior Project Scientist with the government's

Atmospherics Physics Laboratory, Geophysics Division) makes a

brief and cryptic comment:

"On August 31, 1950, the phenomena was again observed after a V-2 launching. Although much film was

expended, proper triangulation was not affected so that no information was acquired. On September 11,

arrangements were made for Major Gover to be on call so that aerial objects might be pursued. This would

make possible more intimate visual observation and photography at close range."

The V-2 UFOS : Where Is The Film?

These 4 independent stories on V-2s and UFOs (all from disparate

but credible sources) demonstrate that the phenomenon of aerial

unknowns at White Sands was real and was likely filmed by the V-2.

Did a V-2 or other rocket intentionally or accidentally bring down the

Roswell craft? Where are the films and photographs of the

mysterious sky vehicles taken by these camera-outfitted V-2s?

As with most things related to the phenomena, there are more

questions than answers. Further research and requests through the

Freedom of Information Act by this author will seek to obtain the

answers and the no-doubt incredible film of these V-2 viewed

fantastic Flying Saucers.

https://www.ufoexplorations.com/remote-viewing-roswell

Remote-Viewing Roswell : Can Psychics reveal Crash details? by Anthony Bragalia (originally published Sept 2014)

Uncovering the truth about the Roswell UFO crash of 1947 means securing credible and corroborated

witness testimony, historical records, and other documentation as well as physical and circumstantial evidence.

But are there other meaningful ways to gain insight into the nature of the crash? Could the use of psychic

abilities be of value in such investigation?

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Some people believe so. They point to the use of an extrasensory approach to gaining information about

what really happened in the New Mexico desert over 6½ decades ago. They speak of Remote-Viewing

Roswell.

Remote-Viewing

Remote-Viewing (RV) is a term used to describe a controlled mental faculty that allows a “viewer” to

provide data and detail that is not accessible through traditional sensory means because of distance, time, or

shielding.

Certain individuals are adept in applying this advanced mode of perception. They can acquire information

about people, places, or things in ways that transcend the traditional 5 senses. They have honed mental

processes that enable them to tune in and “sense” these “targets” using psi or psychic ability. Using this

“complimentary cognition”, they can detect, describe, and decode dimensional data that can help to answer

questions relating to “who, what, when, where, and why.”

It is a matter of historical record that a range of U.S. Federal Military and Intelligence agencies (and their

contractors such as SAIC and Stanford Research Institute) believed enough in the potential of this psychic

ability that they conducted R-V studies over a span of 3decades from the 1970s into the 1990s. They had project

names such as Sun Streak, Star Gate, and Grill Flame.

Though there were many successful R-V sessions (recorded by the viewer as sketches and notes made about

the target) that were later found to be correct, these results were not consistent nor always actionable and the

(public acknowledged) funding of these U.S. Government efforts has now seemingly ended.

Some of those who were affiliated with these officially-sanctioned R-V studies today continue their interest

professionally by offering education and training programs as well as through delivering private R-V services.

[StealthSkater note: much more on Remote-Viewing has been archived at => doc pdf URL ]

Receiving Roswell

The most common use of R-V by the DoD and CIA was to locate lost aircraft and to find enemy

installations. It would then seem natural (and likely) that examining an event like the Roswell crash through R-

V has occurred.

But such historical things as the Roswell crash were apparently far lower on the R-V priority list than

fulfilling more immediate information requirements. Major General Albert Stubblebine (who led a major U.S.

Army Intelligence R-V program) stated in a Q&A in a 1992 lecture held in Colorado that no official R-V work

on Roswell was ever conducted. He did allow, though, that private efforts along those lines may have occurred.

A Private Roswell RV Effort

William E. Jones is a long-time Battelle Memorial Institute executive. He is also an Ohio-based Mutual

UFO Network (MUFON) investigator. He states that in the 1990s, he received a report on Roswell from an

individual whom he trusts implicitly whose name Jones wishes to keep confidential.

The source is described by Jones as objective, science-oriented, and well respected in the R-V community.

He adds that the source is not Ed Dames (the controversial former military intelligence man engaged in official

RV experiments). This hints to me that the source (though not Dames) was similarly in military intelligence at

one time.

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The Remote Viewing Report provided to and shared by Jones reads in part:

Problem Description: Locate the Whereabouts of the Roswell Wreckage.

"Question: Where is the majority of the Roswell crash wreckage now [1994]? Where is it being

studied now?”

"Large pieces of triangular and strut-like pieces of debris wrapped in green cloth (surgical

drapes) and over-wrapped in tarpaulin are sitting on dusty shelves in a warehouse at Wright-

Patterson Air Force Base. They are very high up on to the very end of row 5. This row is the

farthest right as you enter the front entrance of the warehouse. The warehouse door is open to

the light and currently not closely guarded.

"People come and go through the open door. There is an office space to the left of the front

door and all the itinerary of the warehouse is coded in a locked file in a 2-story stone building

on the base. Documents there are dated 1958 and are yellowed with age around the edges.

They relate to physical examination of the debris. The documents have a decal on the top-left of

a circle with a horizontal line through and writing is superimposed on the design. The debris is

not currently being studied but there is renewed interest from Los Alamos. I did not see any

round debris (flying saucer shape)."

"Question: Is there important documentation to be found about the crash in non-secret vaults such as

Government archives or Presidential libraries? If so, which ones?’

"All the important documentation related to the Crash is still in secret vaults and not

available to the public, yet."

"Question: Sometime in the future, will there be a key witness or document that will ‘break-open’ the

Roswell case in the future? Please describe the document or the person. What is the color of the

marking at the top/bottom of the document?”

"Wings. Blue. The manager of the Wright-Patterson warehouse has been there a very long

time and knows what is on the shelves. Maybe when he retires, he will be able to give

information."

Though anecdotal, the above account illustrates the kind information and impressions on Roswell that can

be related by such remote-viewers. The session provides clues and specific details that can be acted upon and

this researcher (me) is now doing just that.

The Right Way to R-V Roswell

Another private effort at discerning the details of the Crash was related by paranormal and spiritual

researcher Lon Strickler. Strickler has been featured on Coast-to-Coast AM radio and his website Phantoms

and Monsters is well-received. Lon is also a Case Manager with Spirit Rescue International, a highly regarded

non-profit British organization that conducts paranormal investigations without charge to their clients. The

founder, UK intuitive and remote-viewer Irene Allen-Black is a registered member of the prestigious Society

for Psychical Research.

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On December 8th, 2011, Strickler announced on the Spirit Rescue International website that he was going to

conduct a well-designed remote-viewing project. What he proposed and the protocol for this R-V experiment is

very instructive:

“During the past 2-1/2 years and since my involvement with Spirit Rescue International, I

have wondered if a series of remote-viewing sessions could offer relevant information on the

supposed 1947 Roswell, NM UFO Crash incident. I have researched this subject and most of

what I have found were minor references to the Star Gate Project (possible Government R-V

training target?) but nothing substantial. It is most likely a few remote-viewers have attempted

to perceive the location and circumstances. But details are scarce.

The term remote-viewing emerged as shorthand to describe a more structured approach to

clairvoyance. It was said that Star Gate only received a mission after all other intelligence

attempts, methods, or approaches had already been exhausted. This may be a true statement

officially although I doubt that was the full extent of use.

“The remote-view protocol that we use at Spirit Rescue International is defined as ‘scientific’

and/or ‘coordinate’ remote-viewing. In order to apply it to the Roswell Incident, there would

need to be more monitor control, protocol modification, use of the correct data type, and

extended sessions. The sessions would be conducted by remote-viewers who have minimal

knowledge of the Roswell Incident. We believe these objectives can be achieved.

"The project has now been scheduled and will begin shortly. Several targets will need to be

set and each target will need to be perceived by a minimum of 2 remote-viewers. For those

readers who are familiar with how SRI conducts our investigations, it will become apparent that

the project will require a significant amount of time to complete. The information collected will

be examined by researchers intimately familiar with the Roswell Incident. All of the data will

then be compiled and condensed into a final report which will then be released at the discretion

of Spirit Rescue International.”

Unfortunately nearly 3 years later, there has been no follow-up to this story by Strickler and he chose not to

respond to my email inquiry for an update. Curiously, the 2011 piece announcing the R-V project has since

been taken down off of the website. Perhaps the results of the project are being kept private so as to not

‘contaminate’ future R-V accounts of the Roswell crash.

The Wrong Way to R-V Roswell

The 2 known intelligence officers that were officially engaged in Government-directed R-V studies who

have spoken about their private efforts at remote viewing Roswell are Joe McMoneagle and Ed Dames. And

unfortunately, both have questionable motives and both carry credibility ‘baggage.’

Joe McMoneagle is a retired U.S. Army Intelligence officer who was recruited for the Top-Secret remote-

viewing program Star Gate. He was also tested for his abilities by Government contract at Stanford Research

Institute. He now runs a corporate consulting firm called Intuitive Intelligence Applications. He has also made

many failed predictions based on his alleged ability to view the Past, Present, and Future. This includes things

that never happened such as a vaccine for AIDS by 2006 to the "Criswell Predicts"-sounding announcement that

a craze would emerge in the 2000s where temporary tattoos would replace clothing.

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McMoneagle seems to feel (based on his R-V work) that the Roswell event happened closer to Socorro and

involved the collision of 2 terrestrial experimental aircraft that somehow involved “sensitive materials”. In an

interview some years later, however, he told of a bizarrely different, contradictory scenario where the crash site

“represents an ingress-egress point into and out of our time-space locale, a specific requirement attached

to their modality of star-to-star travel.”

Major Ed Dames was in charge of a U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency team of remote viewers. He too now

operates a business consulting company PSI TECH. And like McMoneagle, Dames promotes his business and

charges substantial fees to his clients. And like McMoneagle, Dames has made many failed and wild

predictions including about locating the fabled Atlantis.

Dames claims to have learned from his remote-viewing of Roswell that the alien beings who crashed then

traveled back in Time and prevented the crash from occurring. This caused all physical evidence from the

Crash to disappear but left intact people’s memories of collecting and examining the evidence.

Clearly McMoneagle and Dames, rather than remote-viewing Roswell, are on flights of fantasy.

What is Needed to Do it Right

What is needed to conduct such a RV-Roswell project is, first and foremost, an assembly of well-

intentioned, impartial, and trustworthy individuals with demonstrated remote-viewing skills. Participants would

be unpaid and anonymous to discourage money or fame as rewards. As Lon Strickler notes, the volunteers

would have minimal knowledge or preconceptions about Roswell. Impressions about Roswell that are gained

by the volunteers would be examined for similarities and corroborative accounts.

A ‘target’ is a specific piece of information that is sought about a person, place or event. The first questions

that should be posed should relate to targets such as physical evidence and the identities of those currently

involved in managing that evidence:

● Where is Roswell crash debris located that is in private hands?

● Where is Roswell crash debris located that has been secured by government?

● Where are any notes or diaries taken at the time about the crash located?

● Where is official documentation on the crash located?

● Name individuals who are currently involved in studying the Roswell crash finds.

These are all items that are actionable. The remote-viewers’ impressions can be verified as accurate.

People can be contacted. Places can be visited. Hidden things can be found.

Why it May Work

It is evident that the visiting alien operates in the realm of the hyper-dimensional. They traverse the

Cosmos by exerting influence over Space and Time. Communication is achieved by the direct transference of

thought to mind.

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Going out of our heads and beyond time to remote-view Roswell may be the best way to understand it. My

sense is that it will all become much clearer when viewed through the mind’s eye.

StealthSkater note: Actually, Joe McMoneagle doc pdf URL and Lyn Buchanon seem to have excellent

reputations. (Lyn achieved fame when he caused a military laptop to "melt down". Reminds me

of the scene in the sci-fi movie "Scanners".) The problem with remote-viewing is that RV-ers

report different things when viewing the same target. A possible explanation is that they are

viewing a possible "quantum probability" (short of saying a parallel universe).

Standard R-V is an external viewer that can't be seen by anyone (the view-ees) in the real

world. Extended R-V allows the viewer to go inside the mind of a view-ee to sense what that

person knows/sees. Remote-Influencing enables a viewer to alter an event. (The Russians

allegedly used these viewers to mess with the minds of the opponents in World Chess

Championships.) Remote-Healing lets an illness/injury be cured without any physical contact.

(Did religious men of yesteryear have this ability which may have been lost over the centuries due

to DNA mutation?)

R-V may also be related to Lucid Dreaming, Out-of-Body Experiences, and Near-Death

Experiences => doc pdf URL .

Even a Faraday cage is unable to block Remote-Viewing. But the Russians allegedly built

some sort of 'alarm' that signals the presence of a a RV-er. A view-ee is unaware of the presence

of a RV-er. But that may not be true for Aliens. Tom Mahood recounts the following doc pdf

URL-doc URL-pdf :

“The woman said she had been hired as a consultant by a certain aerospace firm,” said

Mahood. “They gave her a couple of geographical coordinates. And when she ‘went’

there, she saw this gleaming underground lab. Then a door opened and out came a gray

Alien. The thing that really disturbed her, though, was that the Alien could see HER (in

her 'out-of-body' state)! It went back through the door. Then some more Aliens came out

and stared at her. In all her remote-viewing experience, she said no subject had ever been

able to detect her before.

She decided to ‘get out of there’. But when she did, she said that they apparently able

to track her. She started having computer break-ins and all this other weird stuff happen.

The best part is when she reported what she had seen to the company that hired her, they

said ‘Yes, that’s just what we expected. Thank you very much.’ ”

Then there are also rumors of certain "screen memory" implant methodologies. Could false

visions be somehow projected and the above experience was just a test to see if they worked? This

has been brought up before to mention abductee experiences such as Betty & Barney Hill's doc

pdf URL .

Matti Pitkanen's TGD-physics combines General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics with

Consciousness. TGD maintains that dark-matter/energy is responsible for remote mental

interactions such as R-V, ESP, telepathy, precognition, etc => doc pdf URL .

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There are MANY MORE excellent essays by Anthony Bragalia at his

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