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Issue #03 of our semi-annual magazine is ready for your reading pleasure. The 84-page volume includes features on actress Jessica Lowndes, actor/photographer Scott Caan, pop artist Mark Dean Veca, Garfield creator Jim Davis and a collection of photos from Paul “Animal” Chan. Mike Shinoda, Nipsey Hussle, and Mikey Avalon talk music in the Sound Off section, while we also show off The Hundreds 2010 Fall, Winter and Footware collections, Raymond Roker’s top 15 albums, Ben Hundreds’ 5 favorite places to eat in SF, and actor Michael Rapaport’s 12 favorite actors. The issue also includes a sticker sheet and a Mark Dean Veca poster.
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EDITOR’S NOTE....................................................................09
CONTRIBUTORS.................................................................. 10
FOCUSThe.World.Through.ScoTT.caan’S.eyeS...............................12
A WEEK IN ThE LIFE OF... naTalIa.BruTalIa..........................................................................................14
POP GOES ThE EASELThe.arT.of.Mark.dean.Veca.............................................................16
hORIZONSfall.2010.......................................................................................20..
FALL 2010................................................................................ 30
BETWEEN ThE STRIPESSITTIng.doWn.WITh.JIM.daVIS,.creaTor.of.garfIeld...38
FALL/WINTER FOOTWARE 2010.........................44
JESSICA LOWNDES............................................................46
ANImAL’S hOUSEThe.IconIc.PhoTograPhy.of.Paul.chan................... 50..
STREET LIGhTSWInTer.2010.................................................................................52
WINTER 2010........................................................................ 60
SOUND OFFWhere.IS.MuSIc.headed?....................................................68
ThE hUNDREDS LA, SF, NY.......................................74
RETAILER LIST......................................................................75
15 ALBUmS ThAT I LIKEWITh.rayMond.roker............................................................76
EAT WITh mESan.francISco..........................................................................78
ThE DIRTY DOZENWITh.MIchael.raPaPorT.....................................................80
LAST OF ThE BUFFALO PLAIDgarfIeld.edITIon..................................................................... 82
» FALL / WINTER 2010» VOL: 01 / ISSUE: 03
COVER:.JeSSIca.loWndeS.In.The.“PaInTer.hoody,”.PhoTograPhed.By.BoBBy.hundredS.aT.The.hundredS.STudIo
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» THERE’S THAT OLD Thrasher T-SHIRT, yOU kNOW? “SkATE AND DESTROy.”
We had this old tee graphic, we flipped it to say “Create and Destroy.” I patted myself on the
back for that one, how oh-so clever. But it was a mantra that well-served our brand ethos.
Get out there, be proactive, make stuff. And break down the walls.
If.you’re.reading.this.magazine,.there’s.a.great.possibility.that.you’re.the.creative.type...Maybe.you.doodle.
naked.girls.in.your.spiral.notebook.or.write.raps.in.the.confines.of.your.office.cubicle...or.maybe.you.don’t.
even.realize.it.yet,.you’ve.just.always.thought.it.was.weird.that.you.were.oddly.talented.at.constructing.
lego.portraits.of.american.Idol.contestants...Whatever.
our.cover.girl.Jessica.lowndes.is.right.there.with.you...The.stunning.actress.is.most.noted.for.her.TV.cred-
its,.but.she’s.also.coming.into.her.own.as.a.singer/songwriter...Mark.dean.Veca.is.another.example,.if.not.
the.archetype...The.post-pop.artist.is.as.detailed.with.his.fine.brush.stroke.as.he.is.with.the.substantive.
story.behind.his.prolific.works...In.this.issue,.we.also.bring.in.our.musically-gifted.friends.Mike.Shinoda,.
nipsey.hussle,.and.Mickey.avalon,.to.grant.us.their.own.perspectives.on.the.future.of.sound..In.a.business.
where.numbers.are.down,.how.can.we.keep.the.creativity.flowing?
and.then.we.have.Jim.davis,.the.hand.that.introduced.garfield.to.the.world...This.man.could.very.well.be.
the.most.influential.person.in.my.career,.and.countless.others’.lives.over.the.past.3.decades,.and.it.all.came.
from.his.willingness.to.create...he.was.inspired,.and.that.inspired.others...It.all.kind.of.progressed.from.there.
That’s.really.what.it’s.about,.isn’t.it?.Progress...Without.creativity,.we.can’t.move.forward,.we.can’t....build...
argh,.that.t-shirt.should’ve.said.“create.and.Build,”.huh?!..for.The.loSS.
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NATAlIA BRUTAlIA:Natalia takes you through a day in her life for this issue’s pictorial.
» Natalia is a 22-year-old kitten lover born and raised in Los Angeles, California. She enjoys
taking photos, blogging, picking her nose, and driving around LA in her white Saturn. She
is currently saving her money to make the upgrade from manual to automatic windows.
Top 5 Work SongS:
01 » “Mysterons” – Portishead
02 » “Don’t Bother Me” – Bad Brains
03 » “So Bored” – Wavves
04 » “It’s Not Going to Work” – SoKo
05 » “C.R.E.A.M.” – Wu-Tang Clan
MARIA CARMEl:Maria shot both the Fall 2010 and Winter 2010 fashion features.
» Maria Carmel likes to take pictures. She likes photography almost more than anything else
she can think of: more than sleeping, more than ice cream and tacos, and more than hanging
out at the beach. Fortunately, she gets to do it for a living, because she probably wouldn’t be
able to afford a camera if she made a career of sleeping under a taco stand at the beach.
Top 5 Work SongS:
01 » “Knife In My Back” – The Delta Fiasco
02 » “Gravel Pit” – Wu-Tang Clan
03 » “Telephone” – Lady Gaga ft. Beyoncé
04 » “Drop The Pressure” – Mylo
05 » “Sexual High” (Radiohead vs. Marvin Gaye) – Go Home Productions
QUANG TRINH:Quang shot our Fall and Winter 2010 Footware collection for this issue.
» Quang Trinh is a photographer who relies on innovative thinking to get the most out of
a photo. His photos posses creative concepts with limitless possibilities by adding the ele-
ments that can make a great image.
Top 5 Work SongS:
01 » “Feel Good Inc.” – Gorillaz
02 » “Juicy” – Notorious B.I.G.
03 » “The Red” – Jaylib
04 » “Crazy” – Gnarls Barkley
05 » “B.O.B.” – Outkast
RAyMoND RokER:Raymond wrote about 15 life-changing albums for this issue.
» Raymond Leon Roker barely graduated from Fairfax High eons ago but he still lives in the
‘hood. His tags and pieces are long gone from the alleys around the school where he made
his name as a graffiti writer in LA’s first wave. He’s probably better known as the founder
and publisher of URB Magazine, the longest running electronic-based music and culture
magazine in America. He blogs about media, race and politics on the Huffington Post, Medi-
aite, Facebook, or at www.raymondroker.com. He also spends his time photographing street
culture, music and urban landscapes.
Top 5 Work SongS:
01 » “Wheels of Confusion” – Black Sabbath
02 » “The National Anthem” – Radiohead
03 » “Let It Be” – The Beatles
04 » “Ten Crack Commandments” – Notorious B.I.G.
05 » “War” – Bob Marley
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PUBlISHERSBenjamin Shenassafar
Robert K. Kim
EDIToR-IN-CHIEFBobby Hundreds
EXECUTIVE EDIToRBen Hundreds
MANAGING EDIToRJohn Hall
CoNTRIBUToRSMaria Carmel, Paul Chan, Natalia Mantini,
Raymond Roker, Quang Trinh, Maurice Pendarvis
DESIGN530medialab
THE HUNDREDS HQ:Ben Hundreds, Bobby Hundreds, Scotty iLL,
Jon Hundreds, Corgishoe, Benjie Escobar, Baby D, Tony Rodriguez, Patrick Hill, Vito Nguyen, Switch, Brien Mo, Maria Vergara, Nathan Nice, Robert Velasquez, Lil’ Mike, Wallace, Charlotte, Kimiya Ayubi, Keith Marzo, John Hall, Kristin Findley, Natalia Brutalia, Boss, Micha
1729 S. Wall St.Los Angeles, CA 90015
THE HUNDREDS lA:Mike Enriquez, Julian Smith, Alexander Spit
7909 Rosewood Ave,Los Angeles, CA 90048
(323) 230 [email protected]
THE HUNDREDS SF:Micah Davis, Dorian Hood, Kahim Smith, Bryan Gabbac
585 Post St.San Francisco, CA 94102
(415) [email protected]
WWW.THEHUNDREDS.CoMpublished by Mixed Media productions, a division of The Hundreds is Huge, Inc.
» I just wanted to tell Bobby thanks for his post on the May Day rally. I was looking forward to him posting something about the march, and I wasn’t disappointed. I like how it’s all straight from the heart, from someone who truly believes in the cause. not afraid to against public opinion on a controversial matter. That’s why I like The Hundreds (even if I can’t afford the clothing right now!). It doesn’t just represent the LA aesthetic, it also represents the people of LA too. It’s cool that even with the success of the brand, we see through the blog that he’s still grounded and has ideals. Wish you guys lots of prosperity and keep doing what your doing!peace! La lucha sigue! — Abraham
TH » SI SE PUEDE Abraham!
» I just wanted to message Ben and Bobby Hundreds and say great job to you two. I have been a long time follower of not only your site but your apparel as well. My name is Arthur, and I just really wanted to ask, “How did you do it?” You inspired me in countless ways, I created my own clothing line in following your footsteps. Thank you, you two gave me a lot of hopes and dreams, and you guys should be rewarded. please keep up the good work. You guys rock.Thanks so much,— Arthur
TH » Thanks Arthur. How did we do it? Passion, perseverance, and purity. We worked hard and continue to do so, we haven’t lost our faith and enjoyment in the project, and we believe in brand integrity. Basically, whether or not anyone is buying or reading The Hundreds, we’d still be do-ing the same thing every single day. Fortunately for us, we have fans like you to keep us going.
» Hi, I was wondering if The Hundreds would ever consider bringing back your women’s line TEnS. — Sami
TH » I’m sorry, but TENS is on an indefinite hiatus. So, unfortunately not anytime soon Sami...
» I’m on a thin line, thinking maybe I look like a groupie sending in a picture, but I can’t help myself. I’m showing BIgggg love from the East (Woodbridge, VA) and I keep posted with the blog. Love you guys. Bring the Tens baccckkkk! LoL— Emily
TH » OKAY MAYBE WE WILL CONSIDER BRINGING TENS BACK.
» I’m researching for my college degree to design clothing and merchandise. I would like to know what major did you guys fall into to begin The Hundreds?— Justin
TH » Majorly sucking at life. Seriously, there was no major to prepare us for The Hundreds. This has been a learning process in itself, everyday is like a giant exam for us, and we count our lucky stars if we barely pass.
» HEY WHAT WoULD YoU Do IF U gUYS CHAngED Ur goDDAMn CLoTHIng BrAnD nAME To “THE DoZEnS?” Would you get scared? You know I would!— Charles
TH » We are definitely scared right now.
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» SCOTT CAAN. YOU MIGHT RECOGNIZE HIM fROM THE Ocean’s eleven TRIlOGY, OR GOne in sixty secOnds, BOiler rOOm, varsity Blues, AND entOuraGe. But here’s a few things you might’ve not known; he went to high school with
Angelina Jolie, was a roadie for Cypress Hill and House of Pain, and in 1993, formed the rap group, “The Whooliganz,” with The Alchemist.
The son of legendary actor James Caan, Scott Caan has not only become an established actor,
writer and award winning director, he can now add another accomplishment to his already impres-
sive body of work: photographer. And all it took was a gift from his father (his first camera) and
spending time with a photography legend.
“Jim Marshall was one of my favorite photographers,” Caan relates, “He was a rock n’ roll photogra-
pher. I knew a lot of people in bands, so I started mimicking what Jim Marshall did.. but I never was
really any good at it. Most of my rock n’ roll shots pretty much sucked, but I loved taking photos and
loved doing it. So, I kept shooting, and I found out what I liked to shoot. I found out what moved me
to shoot, what I thought was actually good. But, it started just from buying art from Jim Marshall
and talking to him about photography.”
Caan’s photography has been well received, so much in fact that last year, he released a collection
of his photos: Scott Caan Photographs Vol.1, chronicling his work from 2003 to 2009 and display-
ing the raw, voyeuristic, life-in-the-moment attitude that encompass his photography. This style has
become his modus operandi with who, what, and how he likes to shoot.
“...My friends, and going on trips, and shooting documentary style. On the streets of whatever city
I’m in, just catching little moments.” He continues, “You know, driving cross-country, and going into
little towns and shooting people…girls that I know that I think are beautiful.”
In this day of digital cameras and Photoshop, picture-takers can manipulate photographs with a
few simple clicks of the mouse, but Caan prefers to stay true to photography’s origins by only
shooting film.
“I mean, I think it’s cool that people use digital. I don’t have anything against it, it’s just not me. I
never got into photography to make money, it was never a business to me. So, for me to use digital,
it would be pretty stupid. I love film, that’s how I got involved in it... Look, I love loading film into
a camera, I love looking at proof sheets, I love shooting a roll and going, “I hope I didn’t fuck this
up!,” going home, wondering what’s on my roll, taking it to the lab, and seeing it for the first time...
Another reason I like photography so much, it’s the purest art that I do. Everything else I have to
appease people, and work with other people. But with my photography, I shoot what I want to
shoot. I don’t really care who loves it or not. I want people to like my photos but at the end of the
day, I’m not getting paid for it.”
WORDS » MAURICE PENDARVIS » PICTURE » BOBBY HUNDREDS
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This is my homegirl Paloma, the bass player of my favorite local band ever, Bombon from San Pedro, California. I’m their groupie.
I don’t know if you know but I love kittenz more than you know. This is my boy Swag.
My little cousin Sophia, aka Midget Hobo Rison aka Midget aka Hobi Wan Canobie, is my everything. We kick it on the regular.
« My fiancé/ best friend Billy Roper. He’s hot.
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» See, there’s Swag.
I’m constantly taking pictures of my girlfriends cos they’re hot like this one here Mia. She rules.
Sometimes I take pictures of boys and usually it’s these fools, Torey, Billy, and Carlos. Getting toasty.
« Some good friends gathering at a barbeque at Bill’s in beautiful Echo Park. Look how glorious they are.
Two of my best friends Ren and Danae. Together they are Renee. I swear I was friends with Ren before I knew she was on ANTM. This is my roommate/muse Lauren skating in front of our ghetto pad.
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» MARK DEAN VECA IS AN ACCOMPLISHED LA-BASED ARTIST WHOSE WORK HAS BEEN EXHIBITED IN GALLERIES AROUND THE COUNTRY AND THE GLOBE. Born in Louisiana and raised in Northern Cali’s East Bay, his art school experience
led to his painting of one of LA’s iconic freeway murals in the early ‘80s. In 1996, he unleashed his own iconic wall art alongside Barry
McGee in a group show at the Drawing Center in NYC. Today he’s best known for his surreal references to pop culture, reinterpretations
of traditional decorative patterns, and his impressive installations. We caught up with him to chat about his project with The Hundreds,
while he prepares for his upcoming When the Shit Hits the Fan show at Western Project in Culver City, opening September 11th.
TH » how did the project with the hundreds come about?
MDV » I did a show at UCSD last year, it was sort of an overview of a lot of
stuff I had done in the past. We had reproductions of a lot of the major murals
and installations that I’ve done, plus I did installations there, onsite. And we had
some paintings, and drawings, and a lot of T-shirts as well - stuff that I’d done
with Recon, Original Fake, Nike, and Burton.
Keith [Marzo] happened to be at the opening and he emailed me and asked if
I’d be interested in doing something. I came by and met Bobby, and talked about
doing some shirts, a skateboard, and some sneakers. I always liked the idea of
taking the work out of the elitist kinds of venues, and getting it out there in
different ways.
I think a lot of people really don’t go to museums or galleries. I know I never did
when I was a kid. I also like the idea of having my work exist in a different form,
like doing a drawing, and then having it realized on some other kind of object.
Some of the work that I have done for quite a long time, is based on18th century
French Rococo toile de Jouy wallpaper and textiles. I was taking something out
of a decorative arts tradition, something functional and utilitarian, and making
fi ne art paintings out of it. So the idea of taking that back into its original con-
text was interesting to me, to do fabric and textiles with it.
TH » can you talk about the artwork for this project?
MDV » Well, the Adam Bomb was a no-brainer, as far as relating to what I’m
doing in my paintings - taking a cartoon-y or pop image and using a little
brush, and India ink, improvising on that structure and allowing these forms and
shapes to evolve out of that, while still retaining the overall image. Then, “The
Hundreds,” just the words, is similar to stuff I’d done back in the ‘90s, when I
was doing some word paintings. My techniques have developed over the years,
so it’s interesting to see what it looks like now, using that same idea. And for
the 3rd shirt, I was working on a painting for the show in September, and the
Presidential Seal was the icon that I was playing with. I thought about doing a
detail of that painting, as a drawing, and putting in “The Hundreds.” It has a sort
of biker kind of feel, or a tattoo feel to it. I’m totally happy with it.
For the skateboard decks, we’re taking a painting that I had done a few years
ago, and dividing it up into three skateboards that will fi t together to make the
whole. That painting is called “Psycho Farm” and it’s based on 18th century
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French decorative art, just using that as a structure. I was just sort of letting the
shapes and forms take shape, through some sort of stream of consciousness.
For the sneaker, we’re doing a toile de Jouy pattern. We’re taking details out
of some older drawings and, because they originated as a textile pattern, we’re
doing them on the canvas shoe as a pattern. From a distance, it looks like a real
traditional pattern, but if you look up close, you’ll find imagery in a more hal-
lucinogenic, psychedelic, pop, cartoon, underground comic kind of look. Maybe
that’s a Bay Area ‘60s-‘70s influence.
TH » Is the Presidential Seal reference indicative of a political statement?
MDV » It’s funny because I’ve never really done any kind of political art. In the
past, it’s been more about art about art, where I’m putting together the high art
and the low art, with the idea of blurring the boundaries and saying that pop
images are as valid as anything else. Politics is something that I feel strongly
about, it is something that is on my mind, so in that way, it’s important to me. I
started feeling like it was important to me to be putting more content into the
paintings as well. As a straight white male in the 21st century, this is something
that really relates to me and my world, because it just seems like that’s been
the dominant culture, and that so much is being pissed away. And I don’t expect
my work to change anything, but I feel like it adds another layer and another
level to my work.
TH » Art played such a massive role in Obama’s campaign; do you think
some artists might feel responsible for the current government?
MDV » I don’t think so. I wasn’t involved in the campaign. Obama was the
first candidate that I really felt strongly about in my lifetime. I think for a lot of
people; that’s why he won. He was able to make it happen, against all odds. It’s
crazy. It was amazing. I’m still a huge fan, and I really still believe in what he
is doing, and I trust him. Even if he’s doing something that doesn’t sound like
something a Democrat would do, he’s got my trust. His idea was to work togeth-
er, and if you’re working together with the other party that means you’re going
to have to make compromises. Hopefully he’ll be around for a while. I really want
him to be around for 8 years. I just don’t want to get another Republican in after
4 years, and ruin everything.
The other thing I was going to say about the Presidential Seal painting, is that’s
the same image that the Ramones use for their logo, and that’s why I used a
black background on that painting, whereas normally I’ve been using really bright
red, or other colors. So when you see it, maybe it looks like the Ramones logo, but
it’s really the Presidential Seal, which some people don’t even realize. But then I
thought some people are going to see it as the black President, you know? They
might see it as me being critical, I don’t know. People see these things and they
interpret things, but I kind of like that as well, because it does add another layer
that you can read into. That was more just by chance than by design.
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PHOTOGRAPHER » Maria Carmel
HAIR/MAkEUP » Sarah Hawkins
WARDRObE » Sarah Hawkins & Patrick Hill
PHOTO ASSISTANTS » Thomas Yuan and Keelin Murray
MODElS » Nick Bentley and Adam Murray
NICk:MEDICAL » TEE » BLACKJohnny » CrEwnECK swEATshirT » AThLETiC grEyBEnton » sLiM » DEniM » grEyJohnson » LOw » BLACK
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ADAM:FrAnkFort » TEE » AThLETiC grEyPALMEr » JACKET » BLACKJohnson » LOw » BLACK
NICk (TOP lEFT):PhoEnIx » sungLAssEs » BLACKstAtE BIrD » TEE » whiTEDoC » LOng sLEEVE wOVEn » BLACKkrUGEr » PAnTs » KhAKiJohnson » LOw » BLACK
ADAM (TOP RIGHT):sUBtLE » CrEwnECK swEATshirT » AThLETiC hEAThErorAnGE » sLiM » DEniM » inDigOVALEnZUELA » LOw » rOyAL BLuE
lEFT:WAVErLy » sLiM » DEniM » BLACKWAynE » high » BLACK
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ADAM:FrAnkFort » TEE » AThLETiC grEyPALMEr » JACKET » BLACKJohnson » LOw » BLACK
NICk (TOP lEFT):PhoEnIx » sungLAssEs » BLACKGrIFFIth » FLAnnEL » BurgunDyBEEZ » TEE » whiTE
ADAM (TOP lEFT):GrID » BEAniE » BLACKDUCk » JACKET » nAVy/BOnEBEEZ » ZiP-uP hOODED swEATshirT » AThLETiC grEy
RIGHT:PhoEnIx » sungLAssEs » MATTE TOrTOisE
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NICk (lEFT):PAtCh » TEE » Ash hEAThErhoUnD » snAPBACK hAT » BLACKWAVErLy » sLiM » DEniM » BLACKWAynE » high » BLACK
ADAM (RIGHT):GrIFFIth » FLAnnEL » BLACKCLAssIC » sLiM » DEniM » inDigO
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NICk:5th PErIoD » TEE » BLACKChAFFEy » shOrT sLEEVE wOVEn » BLACKWAVErLy » sLiM » DEniM » BLACK
ADAM:GrID » BEAniE » BLACKPhoEnIx » sungLAssEs » TOrTOisEGrIFFIth » FLAnnEL » BrOwnhALF tIME » TEE » BLACKDIVErt » JACKET » BrOwn
NICk:WooLnUFF » JACKET » BLACKBrAWny » FLAnnEL » BurgunDyWAxy » TEE » whiTEWAVErLy » sLiM » DEniM » BLACKWAynE » high » BLACK
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ADAM:CInCo » snAPBACK hAT » BLACKPhoEnIx » sungLAssEs » TOrTOisEBEEZ » ZiP-uP hOODED swEATshirT » AThLETiC grEyshIP » TEE » whiTECLAyton » sLiM » DEniM » inDigO
NICk:PhoEnIx » sungLAssEs » MATTE TOrTOisEGrIFFIth » FLAnnEL » BLACKVErtICAL » PAnTs » BLACKPoPs » TEE » AThLETiC grEyWAynE » high » BLACK
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andy » Tee » black brigade 2 » Tee » aThleTic heaTher united » Tee » hunTer green johnnies » Tee » burgundy
hugo » Tee » purple hard daze » Tee » black logo » Tee » royal blue mania » Tee » aThleTic heaTher
pops » Tee » aThleTic heaTher sugar tooth » Tee » burgundy swoop 2 » Tee » purple medical » Tee » hunTer green
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plot » Tee » aThleTic heaTher smile » Tee » royal blue ship » Tee » navy spirit » Tee » whiTe
moon » Tee » black the view » Tee » whiTe cinco 2 » Tee » royal blue dip » Tee » hunTer green
angel devil » Tee » whiTe state bird » Tee » hunTer green kidsplay » Tee » charcoal heaTher les » Tee » burgundy
simple adam » Tee » black waxy » Tee » royal blue nuclear » Tee » black offset » Tee » purple
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biff » Tee » burgundy frankfort » Tee » burgundy patch » Tee » black cascade » Tee » elecTric blue
5th period » Tee » purple havta » l/S ShirT » blue griffith » Flannel » black brawny » Flannel » burgundy
doc » l/S ShirT » black alpha » Flannel » dark purple chaffet » S/S ShirT » orangejohnny
» crewneck » MuSTard heaTher
lanky » crewneck » STraighT Teal subtle » crewneck » burgundy yesterday » crewneck » black solid » crewneck » navy
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brawny » Flannel » burgundy
solid » crewneck » navy
elementary
» hooded SweaTShirT » charcoal heaTher
painter
» hooded SweaTShirT » heaTher
dart » hooded SweaTShirT » navy
duck » JackeT » green/orange
brigade
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» I can’t search far wIthIn my chIldhood memorIes wIthout runnIng Into tabby orange fur and black strIpes. As a product of the ‘80s, Garfield was ubiquitous. Not just in the Sunday comics, but on Saturday morning television, the
bookshelf, and everywhere else in my bedroom. To this day, I still can’t eat lasagna without feeling a little bit Garfield.
Garfield not only inspired but also taught me how to draw cartoons. And decades later, it’s painfully obvious that much of my sense of
humor came from the fat cat as well. So I got on a plane and flew across the country to Muncie, Indiana, to visit Garfield’s headquar-
ters, Paws Inc., located in a massive wooden complex, oddly reminiscent of an Indiana farmhouse. This is the house that Garfield built,
all at the hand of his creator, Jim Davis. The cartoonist still lives not 100 yards away with his wife Jill. His brother across the road, his
daughter next door.
In 1978, Davis started drawing a small, unknown comic strip about single guy Jon Arbuckle and his sarcastic pet cat. 32 years later, he’s
still doing the same, although Garfield has now manifested into a household name that’s as recognizable as, let’s say, Mickey Mouse (No,
really, Garfield’s familiarity is 94% amongst Americans. Mickey’s about 95%. Chevrolet, by comparison, is 76%). I think it’s fair to say
that Garfield is a big fat hairy deal. »
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th » how important is the comic format for Garfield? Is that still
integral to its life?
Jd » You’re talking about the 3-panel strip? Yeah. It is for my timing and style.
To me, working on the animation stuff is much easier than the comic strip be-
cause you can let Garfield run, he can try to stop, there’s music, sound effects,
all kinds of things. But with the comic strip, there’s no audio, no animation, plus
you have to freeze-frame the character in the perfect position with the perfect
expression to get the idea across. You have about 25 words or less. You only
have about 7 inches within which to work. You have to set up the plot, twist it,
and resolve it in that space, so it’s very tough. I love the challenge of using the
economy of not only words, but of line, to get the point across. If you ever read
a comic strip to someone, you realize it’s not as funny when you say it out loud
as it is when you say it to yourself, in your head. So I write it for performing in
your head, plus I try to get to the punchline an instant before the reader does.
That’s the trick. That invokes the involuntary laugh response. If they see the
gag coming, you’re dead on arrival. If it takes too long for them to get the gag
after you’ve hit them with it, now they’re struggling with it or give up on it. So,
it’s great fun.
In newspapers, there was only so much real estate. Obviously with the internet,
we could do animation, all sorts of stuff if we wanted. Fortunately, the 3-frame,
4-frame comic is still alive and well, because the young cartoonists have (like you
growing up drawing Garfield) started with that style. I think we have this honey-
moon, at least for the rest of my career, of being able to work in that style. Who
knows what the comic strip’s going to be. If you add sound effects and you actu-
ally act it out, you’ve lost that kind of timing (Not that comics won’t be animated
in the future).
What I like about it as well, even with everything being digitized, you still have to
be able to draw. It still takes an artist to draw the line. That’s going away as well.
We actually have software for kids, on our website, which allows them to create
comic strips by simply picking shapes, eyes, ears, you know, all the stuff for the
avatars. They can create their own without having to draw it out, at least the way
we’re doing it. It’s still preserving the art because cartooning, and the comic strip,
is a uniquely American artform. We created it, with The Yellow Kid, and then the
Katzenjammer Kids, so that’s something that needs to be preserved.
th » on the topic of running the joke in your head, I was probably
reading Garfield for three years as a kid before I realized that the cat
was just emanating thought bubbles. once I figured that out, it totally
changed my perspective. that’s something that’s just uniquely Garfield.
Jd » That’s true. Snoopy actually never talked. I didn’t do it because he didn’t talk
but I always felt like you watch pet owners and they talk to their animals like they
understand. I always thought that was funny because people attribute human
thoughts and feelings to cats anyway. You can’t really read them. Dogs, you can
read. You know what’s on a dog’s mind. If he wants to bite you, it’s painfully obvi-
ous. Or if he’s done something wrong, you know, they’re terrible liars. But cats,
they’re pretty special when it comes to that, so I figured I could get away with it.
Garfield is a human in a cat suit.
th » why did you focus more on garfield instead of investing in the
other characters?
Jd » Actually, I don’t really talk about it very much, but I originally created the
strip to be about Jon. I was going to call it Jon, about a single guy who’s kind
of shy, not socially adept, so I gave him this cat. Obviously humor comes from
contrast, humor comes from conflict. If everyone’s agreeing and they’re all happy,
there’d be no more jokes. So I did, I created contrast to Jon, in the cat. But every
time we got to the punch line, the cat had the funny line, just zinging Jon. So as
many other characters as I tried to add, Garfield literally took the strip over.
I worked for T.K. Ryan at that time on the Tumbleweeds comic strip. I was his as-
sistant. I did his backgrounds, borders, and things like that. When I showed it to
Tom, I said, “Every time I write this strip, the cat’s got the punch line.” And Tom
said, “He’s telling you something. Go with it.” So I did. I changed the name of the
strip from Jon to Garfield. I ran it in a local weekly paper to see what it looked
like (I don’t think they paid me). And he was right, the cat had the funny lines,
so I started focusing on the cat. More often than not, when we laugh at a gag,
it’s because we’re saying, “Isn’t that true?” I just hold a mirror to the reader, is
all I do, so that’s what Garfield does, particularly these days, when we’re made
to feel guilty about overeating and oversleeping. Garfield says, “Hey, that’s the
way we’re made.” He’s cool with that. He’s not perfect, but that’s ok. He’s really
comfortable in his own skin, which I think sends a good message. He doesn’t
have the best habits, but none of us do. But he has the courage to openly be
that way.
th » my wife tends to believe I grew up a garfield fan because of his
dark humor. have you ever considered the comic to have darker under-
tones?
Jd » He takes great delight, yeah, in a lot of other people’s pain. He’s a bit of a
sociopath in that respect. Interesting thought, I never really thought about that,
because I personally laugh about everything, but that’s not what I put in the strip.
It’s the edgier, the funnier me, but the trick is to make everyone laugh. One day
I want to write the gag that makes the whole world laugh, I think that’d be cool.
I don’t get too dark with it. Plus, I think, that’s the easier laugh. It’s really easy
to make people laugh at bodily humor or a shocked kind of a laugh, or an em-
barrassed kind of laugh. A lot of people are doing it. South Park, obviously, is
a great example. I try to do it through situational humor. Have them overeat.
Now what’s funny about that? Send him up a tree! What, in that situation, is
really funny? So he reacts to things. But you’re right, he just randomly kicked
Odie off the table and he said, “I’m not known for my compassion.” So I guess
he’s not compassionate, which opens him up to a little…yeah, he’s certainly got
a dark side.
th » there’s something to be said about the cross-generational appeal
of garfield…
Jd » In the 21st Century Comics Poll, this really big poll that was taken by the
National Cartoonists Society, and it was newspaper editors finding out what
people liked about the comics. One of the things they liked, the fact that there
was something they could count on. They expected to see Snoopy on his dog-
house and they expect to see Garfield go for the lasagna. In these days when
there’s so much uncertainty, it’s nice to go to a place where you can go back.
And I think that’s why it was such a shock when Sparky [Charles Schulz, creator
of Peanuts] passed away. He’d been doing it for fifty years, he was supposed
One day I want tO wrIte the gag that makes the whOle wOrld laugh, I thInk that’d be cOOl.
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to do it for another fifty years. For me, it was terrible, it was just crushing. Fifty
years! That’s not like a sitcom that goes two seasons, or has a great run of 8
years, it’s like fifty years, that’s your life. You grow up, you learn to read, you get
married, you raise kids, reading the same comic, you know, with Snoopy laying
on the doghouse.
It’s interesting, though, because of your interest with The Hundreds. There was a
teen study and the biggest appeal to teens for Garfield, he makes them laugh,
one, and two, he’s hip. It totally caught me off guard. There’s nothing hip in his
dialogue, because nothing will date you any quicker than if you use “tubular.” So
I avoid that, because people will be eating and sleeping a few generations from
now. I guess it’s his attitude, so it’s not the way he says it, but what he feels. He
resents authority and that’s always going to be in. He doesn’t obey Jon, who is
the parental figure. He’s hip in that respect, so that’s cool.
th » on somewhat of a tangent, I was as much a u.s. acres fan as gar-
field in the ‘80s. but it always seemed like the redheaded stepchild,
and it disappeared as quickly as it came about. can you tell us the
story?
Jd » I’ve never actually told this story. It was Sunday morning, I was reading the
Sunday paper, and my son James goes, “Dad, what’s a transvestite?” “Pardon
me?” It was in the comics. I forget what the strip was. At that point, it occurred to
me that the comics were done for adults, by adults, by and large. I’ve always tried
to do the Sunday for kids as well, by letting the pictures tell a story, and let the
dialogue go where the dialogue goes. A lot of times, kids and adults will both laugh
at our Sunday strips, but for two different reasons. Sometimes if you just look at
Garfield’s pictures, he’ll tell a story or do something funny to make a preschooler
laugh. I like to keep something a little kinetic in the Sunday, just for kids. That was
25 years ago. Even then, kids were moving away from newspapers because of
Atari. The Apple IIe was out. I saw early on, newspapers were going to be in trouble.
I did it just to do something for very young readers and to do something big. I
grew up on a farm, big and bright, and at that time, we had a very successful
run with our primetime specials, you can see the Emmys over there (that was
for the writing on four of the specials). CBS wanted us to do Saturday morning.
I said, “Half an hour is a lot of time with just one cat.” I think every Saturday,
we’d wear them out, plus it’s a lot of material. However, if you put U.S. Acres in
there, we could hop back and forth at least, and break up the monotony. Because
Garfield has his unique pacing. He’s a little slow compared to the Warner Broth-
ers characters, especially. And they said OK. So we put together a great cast of
voice talent. We had more fun with the U.S. Acres characters and we did that for
seven years for CBS. But I did it for the young readers. In fact, the strip only ran, I
think, for three years. It started with a lot of papers, but I was sitting across from
the editor of the Boston Globe, and he said he didn’t think he was going to be
keeping U.S. Acres. I said, “Why not? It’s for young readers.” He says, “Kids don’t
buy our advertising.” And that was the mentality. We were winning comics polls
with young readers.
th » unfortunately, that’s still the mentality with newspapers.
Jd » They’re really struggling with that, because now they’ve lost a generation
of kids who just moved away from the papers. At any rate, circulation was down,
Garfield was taking as much, or more time, and we just made a really tough deci-
sion. We were still in several hundred papers, but I opted to end the series just
because of all this stuff going on. I didn’t want to do a second-rate job on Garfield,
so I just had to end it, but I loved doing it. The shows still run today in syndication.
People still know the characters. We had more fun with Wade the Duck, pana-
phobe, afraid of everything…
Actually, they’re going to do a little cameo appearance in our TV series coming
up. We’re gonna go find Thom Huge out in Wyoming and bring him back to do
Roy, so it’s gonna be fun to get that crew back together. Actually Orson is Odie,
so some of the voices are still doing the Garfield voices anyway because it’s a
repertoire group. He’s been doing Odie since day one, since 1980. So that’s neat.
We’ve got a lot of the old crew still together. Mark Evanier, he did the CBS series
years ago.
So the U.S. Acres was just for the kids. Did it for my son. Today he starts Ball
State University, in the art department. He’s in his first class right now. I’m really
proud of him.
th » I want to talk about brand integrity, ‘cause I also read bill wat-
terson’s comic (calvin and hobbes) and the approach watterson took
to licensing and merchandising was obviously a completely different
philosophy. he didn’t authorize calvin to be on one product. were you
ever concerned that the amount of garfield licensing would harm the
integrity of the comic and brand? obviously, it’s something that we
ourselves deal with everyday just within our own brand.
Jd » Oh absolutely. Doing plush allowed us to do them in 3D so I got to turn
them over and feel them and things like that. Doing the books was the perfect
venue for continuing the comic strip behavior. Obviously the TV shows are great.
The posters and cards, that’s taking his attitude and doing really fun stuff with it.
Doing office stuff just drives his personality further. He has the courage to say
things people wish they could so they want stuff with him saying it so they don’t
have to. That kind of stuff helps drive the personality of the character.
I thought if we could design Garfield to the product for the product’s market we
would have something that would be good quality and be very appropriate. And
also, would allow me to get to do things for the property that maybe I wouldn’t if I
just did the comic strips. Because I thought, “If I do this, maybe I’ll get to do that,
if I get to do that.” And as a result I had the opportunity to do lots of things. And
certainly get to grow a staff.
That, for me, is a lot more fun and a lot more challenging: growing and logistics.
There’s a thing called the Aristotelian Mean, meaning just to stay where you are,
you have to keep moving ahead. Because everything else is marching ahead. So
just to stay where you are, you gotta keep growing. So Bobby, you’re an empire
builder (laughs)! You can understand that everything’s relative. If I were to just
rely on the comic strip and just do that, oh I’d probably be retired by now. I’d
be a poor handicapped golfer by now, but wouldn’t have had nearly as much
fun getting to this place. So, honestly it wasn’t so much the money as it was
the challenge, the opportunity to do things. Just that part of me saying “Hey if
you wanna do it, you have to do it right.” If we take care of the cat, the cat will
take care of us. So we don’t worry so much about production budgets or end of
the month statements as we do about something that’s really good for the cat.
Because if it’s good for the cat, then it’s good for us.
If we take care Of the cat, the cat wIll take care Of us.
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» it’s Hard to get Past tHose smoldering eyes, but if you ever manage to do so, she’s in there. Amidst the aura of bud-
ding celebrity and under the glow of the simmering Hollywood spotlight, Jessica Lowndes is very confusingly girl-next-doorish in person.
The Canadian-bred starlet is front and center on 90210 and her upcoming film Altitude, but you’d never guess that from her warmth and
personality. She has a hearty hometown laugh, a rustic Canadian charm,... but then again, those eyes. Those eyes are the dead giveaway. »
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Jessica’s coming into her own as the girl of the moment. Well, let’s be real, the
girl of now and forever. We’re already aware of Jessica’s successes as an actor,
having recently tackled controversial issues ranging from drug addiction to preg-
nancy to her sexuality as her character Adrianna on the Beverly Hills re-up. But
did you know she sings? “Since age 3, I was singing and putting on plays for my
family,” she tells me from her spot in New York where she’s recording her first al-
bum, “I’ve been in the studio, working with some amazing producers and writers...
It’s definitely another thing because with acting, it is very vulnerable but you can
hide behind other peoples’ words. Whereas with singing, it’s your voice, it’s your
words, and how you’re feeling.”
And that’s another thing about Jessica, she’s been using those words for as long
as she can recall, writing her entire life, whether it be substantive poetry or sugar
pop-coated lyrics about love and heartache. All these outlets, I ask her if she’s
artistically inclined on a visual level, and she quickly responds, “I am a painter. I
paint!” Of course she paints! “I always say I’m a very creative person, if this were
all to go away tomorrow, I know for me to be fulfilled and happy, I would have to
be doing something creative, and creating something.”
“I’m somebody who...” she pauses, “I’m obsessed with the challenge.”
And we’re obsessed with her.
PHotograPHer » Bobby Hundreds
stylist » Caley Lawson
Hair » Laini Reeves
makeuP » Stevi Christine
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LIL WAYNE » This was taken on my first trip to New Orleans. Lil Wayne wasn’t a solo artist yet, he was in a group called The Hot Boys with BG, Juvenile, & Turk. He was 15 years old and driving a Lexus sc400 coupe on 20-somethings.
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» PAUl “ANIMAl” CHAN works for Will.I.Am at DipDive.com, and also runs Lurker Vision - his own online show on The Skateboard Mag
website. Back in 1997, Paul became the Art Director at start-up hip-hop magazine Kronick. Badly in need of some good original photography
to use in the magazine, Paul decided to pick up his dad’s old Nikon and do it himself. For the next seven years, he “lived the dream,” flying
cross country, meeting his idols, and documenting it all along the way. The publication eventually crumbled, but his memories continue on
through these photographs.
WORDS » JOHN HAll
GURU » This photo was taken just after Full Clip was released. The gold door that Guru is standing in front of was the lobby of D&D studios.
SLUM VILLAGE » Taken around the corner from the A&M studios in Hollywood. I just remember thinking how cool the wall looked.
SNOOP DOGG » Snoop was on some weird home makeover show about how he takes over someone’s liv-ing room and “Snoopifies” it, and we were supposed to interview him between takes. I get there early and his publicist tells me to hang out in Snoop’s trailer. As I’m sit-ting there, I notice people are coming into the trailer and dropping off huge aluminum trays filled with Roscoe’s. I asked the publicist if I could get on some of the grub and he said, “Sure.” As I’m going down the chow line piling on the food, the door opens up and Snoop stomps into the trailer, yelling “Who the fuck is this eating up all my damn Roscoe’s?!” I remember all the makeup girls, publi-cists, and my boss laughing at me as my face turned red and I felt hella uncomfortable.
THE LOX » The crew, holding it down in front of the liquor store. It was the Lox and a bunch of their cohorts in Yon-kers, NY. The liquor store was across the street from the laundromat that they used to hang out in front of all the time. I guess there ain’t much to do out in Yonkers.
NAS » Catching a flight from NY back to LA, Nas was sitting all by himself in first class. The stewardesses let us roll up to first class once the plane was high enough. We showed him our ‘zine and we did the interview and took photos while sipping on champagne.
THE NEPTUNES » They were virtually unknown at this point. This photo was taken in a parking garage outside the studio they were working at. I remember Kelis was there too and I was flirting with her.
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PHOTO ASSISTANT » Adam Murray
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TH » What are you working on right now?
MS » Well, by the time this comes out, God, I hope our iPhone/iPad game has
come out. It’s about to come out.
TH » What’s your iPad game?
MS » It’s called 8-bit Rebellion, and it’s a little bit of an homage to our favorite
games growing up. The premise of the game is that, the world in the game was
an 8-bit world, and this massive corporation came in and sold everybody on high-
res, and basically told you, “You can do better. Buy this. Buy high-res.” And they
got everybody kind of addicted to that, and so as a character in the game, you’re
trying to fight to bring the world back to an honest 8-bit version.
TH » That is really cerebral, and out there.
MS » And the funny part is, it sounds kind of crazy, and it’s not supposed to
be this double-entendre, this weird metaphor for like, the music industry, or the
entertainment industry. You can take it however you want to take it, but for me,
it’s more about setting up a cool thing, like a cool theme for the game so that
when you go in and you see all the 8-bit next to the high-res, that gives the game
its character, visually. You go in, and you fight against high-res characters, and
the more you win, the more you get stuff that looks low-res. So you’re basically
working backwards. You start more high-res, and the better you get, the lower
res you get.
TH » I think you guys are the only ones who really have this sensibility
of game culture…
MS » We’ve made a lot of decisions with our heart that people on our own team
don’t understand, necessarily. I don’t fault anybody for it, it’s not something I can
expect them to understand. They can’t read my mind, and you can’t read Joe’s
mind. To get specific about what I’m talking about, I think the next record hope-
fully will be artistically the most consistent thing we’ve ever done. That’s our goal,
to make this record a visual experience as much as it is a musical experience.
That’s happened, on and off, for us, but it’s never fully clicked. We can get into
something really interesting with this.
Here’s the deal. On normal records, what happens is there’s an art director who
designs the packaging. That guy does the packaging, and maybe he does a
couple of other promo pieces, but that’s the extent of his involvement, or her
involvement. Then after that, the merchandise gets done by the merch company,
and the website gets done by a web company, and the tour posters get done by
promotion/tour poster companies, etcetera. And that shit gets watered down. By
the time the assets even get into the hand of the tour promoter in Singapore, it’s
passed through three people’s hands who have changed it and manipulated it,
and the vibe is lost. So what we did is, we built a nucleus team that will oversee
and have their hands on everything from the album packaging, to the video, to
the button on the website. We want our team, which is headed by Joe Hahn and
me, to be involved. I don’t know that most people do that. If they do, hopefully I
can start hearing about them. I know for us it’s pretty revolutionary.
TH » It just makes sense, though, right? Because it always feels so dis-
connected.
MS » For a lot of artists that’s the case, and coming into this world where, on the
horizon, the artist is going to have more responsibility to be more and more in
control of their community, I think that in the not-so-far-away future, where the
artist sells their music direct to consumer on their website, the artist sells the
merch direct to consumer, everything is direct, you’re gonna need to know how to
do all that stuff. Fortunately for us, we definitely know how to do it, it’s just a mat-
ter of there’s so many people out there, that in the past we had trouble keeping
up with the demand. We finally figured out a way to build a team that we know
can handle the demand. So that’s new. And that extends to a lot of multimedia
stuff. Not just prints, but video, and motion graphics, and web. We’ve got all the
major artists and designers in place.
» Where is music headed? For generations, music and the associated subcultures stratified trends, social movements, and other
determining cool factors amongst youth. But with the advent of Internet downloading, record label implosion, and MTV’s murderous turn
on itself, we are left with a mere shell of what music once stood for. We caught up with 3 leading musicians in their own right, artists
who have carved their own core niche, who continue paving the way for new means of sonic success. All on their own terms. Listen,
they have the answer: »
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TH » I know you fell out of the music and got into hustling and at a
certain point you decided to get back into music. What made you move
back into focusing on music again?
nH » I feel like once I became a teenager, and started to grow up, I felt like I
needed money. I needed the things that I felt was important, like cars and jewelry
and spots, and you know, shit that, when you’re young, you feel like you need. So
when I started grinding and getting into the streets and making money, I started
getting that shit. And once I got everything I had envisioned for myself, I still felt
like I wasn’t doing something, like I was missing out on something I was supposed
to be doing. That led me to feel like it’s bigger than just me. I need to do music. I
felt like I got back to what I was supposed to be doing.
So I made a decision, sold all the shit I had bought, sold my Lincoln, sold my rims,
sold my jewelry, left my spot, moved back in with my Granny, and bought all the
studio equipment. From there on, I decided I was going to go headfirst into the
music. I was 18 at that point. From that point on it was Slauson Boy Records, it
was emcee hustle fulltime, it was music. It was like an on-and-off type thing, but I
never went a month without doing something music-oriented.
TH » What helped you get your name out there and build buzz?
nH » I mean, shit, it was just basically a full-court press. A decision I made was
that I wasn’t going to try and take the whole country at one time. Number one,
I wanted to start with my neighborhood, because I knew my neighborhood was
important to LA. Where I come from, Crenshaw and Slauson, it means something
to the city. I wanted to become known in my area first. Once I was known in my
area, I was like, “I need to be the hottest nigga in the city now,” because LA means
something to the country. LA’s the number two market in the United States. That
was conscious, like if we just get the city, we’ll have the whole country, because
LA means something to this country. And once you have America, you have the
whole world, and that’s basically where we at.
TH » Is there one vehicle that really got you out there, or is it just a bit
of everything?
nH » I think it’s a little bit of everything. One of the big things was me leaking
music through the internet and through the streets. I leaked a lot of music through
the “Bullets Ain’t Got No Name” mixtape. That was kind of my introduction to the
people, but it wouldn’t have been so respected if it wasn’t for the internet. So
everything kinda went hand-in-hand. And the DJs that endorsed it kind of bridged
the gap into the industry for me, and got me buzzing in those circles – the people
that actually play the records and the people that actually set the taste of the en-
tire industry. I got my name ringing in those circles through DJs and my industry
connections with Big U, Steve Lobel, Johnny Shipes, Cinematic, Jen McDaniels…
TH » Is that how you ended up getting signed to epic?
nH » Most definitely. The way that that transpired was just kind of like, we met
half way. They were looking for somebody that was hot in LA, that had their own
movement, that had a vision for what they were trying to do. And I was looking for
a team of people who could take what I was doing and put it through a machine
and basically increase the amount of people that we were reaching with what
we were doing. So we kind of met in the middle. We both served each other’s
interests.
TH » I wanted to ask about Twitter because you have a huge following. It
seems like you use it to communicate with other artists and dJs and to
take submissions for beats. How are you using that as a tool?
nH » Oh yeah, Twitter is excellent. Man, Twitter is A-1. It’s basically just like a
network, it’s better than an email list because people are following you. They can
choose who they follow. So it’s not like you’re just blasting out to random people
who don’t care what you’re talking about. This is your base. These are the people
who are interested in you. Anything I’m doing is relevant to these people. It gives
me a gauge on who’s really interested, and who’s riding with us. Certain things
we do, we’ll see a spike in the followers, like, “Ok, that worked.” It’s a good tool
to test your temperature. When you leak a record, you can see the reaction on
Twitter, like people loving your shit and quoting your lines. It’s an excellent tool to
check where you’re at. And I get beats off Twitter, I leak records off Twitter, I get
contacts – producers and DJs. Whoever invented that, shout out to them!
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TH » What do you think about the state of the music industry?
Ma » First of all, I got in at the end of the old way. I think I probably got one of
the last record deals that wasn’t a 360 deal. Record labels used to make a ton
of money on the record sales and the artist didn’t really see any of that money,
and then artists would make money on the merchandise and touring. Now record
labels don’t really make so much money on record sales, so they’re trying to tap
into artist touring and merchandise, which is all fine and dandy if they’re putting
a bunch of money behind you and they’re making you a bunch of money. Then
obviously share it. You know, a hundred percent of zero is zero, so you’re better
off with people helping you and then taking the percentage.
But the thing is, if they’re not helping you, and you’re out there busting your ass,
on the road, for you to have to send a check back to someone who’s not doing
anything is pretty shitty. I don’t have a deal like that and I’m happy. But I think,
for the most part, artists have been getting fucked-over since the beginning of
time, so I think this, if anything, is screwing over the record labels more so than
the artists. If you do something cool, and you get it out there, and people respond
to it, then you don’t need a label. There’s more garbage out there, because, like I
said, you used to have to go to a studio and be at least kind of serious and put out
some money, so there wouldn’t be that much garbage, but now since anyone can
do it, the internet’s just flooded with garbage. You don’t have to listen to all of it.
Only a few things are going to float to the top and if something’s good, people
are gonna respond to it. I think it’s a good thing for music. I think the thing that
kind of sucks, and I think that will come back around too, because I think enough
people agree with me, is that with everything going digital, it’s nice you could
have 1000 songs or 10,000 songs on your iPod, or whatever, but there’s nothing
tangible. It used to be you get a record, it had a cool picture, you could hang it
on the wall, you could roll joints on it, you could do whatever you want. I thought
CDs were kind of a drag, but now looking back, that was at least still a tangible
thing. Now it’s like a little thumbnail on your computer. I guess you could print
out the cover, but I don’t think anyone really does that. So I think it will go from
little hipster companies pressing records to more popular stuff for the masses. I
don’t think vinyl will totally go away, just because people like listening to music
that way. All it takes is some people liking that to keep it alive.
Right now I’m on a major record label, I wouldn’t necessarily tell other people to
go in that direction. Those are kind of things they could think about after. If you
like to make music and that’s something you want to do, just try to make it as
good as you can. You know, burn some CDs, hand them out, play some shows,
it’ll become an entity of its own, and you can make those decisions then. It’s like
deciding you want to be a painter and then finding the galleries you want to be
in when you haven’t even done a painting, you know? Focus a little on the work.
So many people are like, “I want to be a rock star,” or whatever, and you’re like,
“Alright, do you play an instrument or sing?” They’re like, “I don’t know, I wanted
to get a band together.” It’s like a fantasy, not something real.
Most people, if they want to be an actor, they actually go to acting classes, or
try to act. So I think it’s a pretty straightforward process. Obviously it’s better for
young people because it takes all your time and energy and if you don’t have bills
to pay it’ll be easier. That’s why there are a lot of people that might play guitar in
high school, and then kinda get over it. Especially us living in LA, a lot of stuff’s
here, I’d say just make the songs and get them out there. Then go play the Viper
Room, go play the Roxy, go play wherever. Once you see some faces in the crowd
that aren’t your friends, and they’re mouthing the words of your songs, then obvi-
ously something’s starting to happen. And if that’s happening in LA, chances are,
you can do that other places. I definitely would just focus on the work and then
not really put any money in. Try to use other people’s money I guess, if you need
it. I wouldn’t get in over my head with that.
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01 » GOLDIE » TIMELESSTimeless changed the game in jungle/drum & bass music and introduced
me to a kindred spirit and fellow b-boy Goldie. Most hardcore underground
music up to that point in 1995 had heavy reggae elements, R&B hooks or were
simply techno overheated (not that there was anything wrong with that). But
Goldie produced nothing short of soulful electronic cinema over a breakbeat
frame. The title track marked the watershed moment where drums and bass
took a giant evolutionary step into the future. The former graffiti artist and
global hip-hop ambassador Goldie epitomized everything my magazine (URB)
stands for.
02 » THE BEATLES » THEIR GREATEST SONGSI don’t have a “favorite” Beatles album. It’s impossible. Sure, there is Abbey Road,
and The White Album, long players that are fantastic in their entirety. But there’s
also “Let it Be” and “Hey Jude,” which sit better as amazing singles than on their
respective LPs. I’ve always absorbed the Beatles as individual slices of a larger
puzzle, one that spanned eras, moods and influences. And by extension, the solo
work from Harrison, McCartney and Lennon has been on my playlist since I was
a kid. You can discount some of the Beatles’ lore as bandwagoning hype or sheer
momentum, but show me another band that delivered such a wealth of musical
depth over their lifetime.
03-06 » BLAck SABBATH » VOL. 4 (SABBATH BLOODy SABBATH, BLAck SABBATH, WE SOLD OuR SOuL fOR ROck ‘N’ ROLL) Hard to find a Sabbath album or track I don’t like. At least while Ozzy manned the
mic. It was the fateful loan of a We Sold Our Soul for Rock ‘n’ Roll cassette that
lured me to the dark side. The early Sabbath albums remain part of my musical
diet decades after I was first consumed by their brooding beauty. The gothic riffs
and bluesy melodies are some of the sickest doses of proto-metal crude that ever
oozed out of England. And long before the Ozzman allowed MTV to lampoon his
slurred speech, he was belting out classics like, “Wheels of Confusion,” “Para-
noid,” “Changes,” “Snowblind” and “Sabbath Bloody Sabbath” (perhaps their
best ever). Black Sabbath still stands as my favorite all time band. Long since
disbanded from their original line-up, I got a lucky glimpse in 1999 when they
rejoined for a minute to play together.
07-08 » LED ZEppELIN » LED ZEppELIN IV (OR pHySIcAL GRAffITI) In the age long before iTunes, this was almost the only way to own “Stairway to
Heaven,” and that alone meant every bell-bottomed cool kid you knew had a copy
of the gatefold vinyl. But epic song-of-the-decade greatness aside, let’s talk nitty
gritty. The satanic backmasking (hidden lyrics recorded into the mix in reverse!)
and other Beelzebub nonsense also made this album package legendary. Think
I’m kidding? Borrow your uncle’s copy and slowly spin Stairway backwards near
» RAyMOND ROkER IS THE fOuNDER, cREATIVE DIREcTOR, AND puBLISHER Of ONE Of NORTH AMERIcA’S
LONGEST RuNNING INDEpENDENT MuSIc puBLIcATIONS – uRB MAGAZINE, which he started in LA in 1990. The
successful entrepreneur is also an accomplished DJ, club promoter, and graffiti artist. These days you can also catch him writing
for the Huffington Post. Here are Ray’s 15 life-changing albums:
ALBUMS THAT I LIKE ( BUT MUSIC SNOBS WILL HATE ME FOR ) WITH » RAyMOND ROkER15
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the beginning. “He is my friend Satan...” Then hold the open gatefold against the
mirror and notice how the painted scenery comes together as a devil’s head.
Fucking A is right.
09 » pINk fLOyD » THE WALLDid you see Pink Floyd co-lead singer/bass player Roger Waters’ epic Dark Side
of the Moon set at Coachella a couple of years back? If not, you can catch him
doing The Wall this coming fall. For an old man, he still sounds incredible. And
if none of this matters to you, then the words, “Hey, teacher, leave those kids
alone!” won’t either. But for me, Floyd was a rite of passage back when I was
learning how to smoke pot and discovering what acid was. And as a kid getting
his first musical education in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s, you had to at least once
drop a dose while listening to this album. But I’m not recommending that to fans
of The Hundreds. Drugs are illegal, you know.
10 » HAIR » ORIGINAL BROADWAy cAST REcORDING SOuNDTRAck My mom wasn’t technically a hippy but she had the tendencies. One of her gifts
to me was this vinyl. Yes, this might be your parent’s musical, but it isn’t Cats or
some bullshit. The music is by the genius Galt MacDermot (who was sought after
by none other than the Stones Throw Records camp, Busta Rhymes and many
others). And the lyrics are a time capsule of a nation at war. Hair was produced
at a time when kids were dying daily for a bad war while a nation turned its
head away from the conflict. The album tells stories of a changing guard where a
new generation wasn’t playing by their parent’s rules. And where technology was
demanding a new understanding of your surroundings. Sounds familiar.
11 » RuN-D.M.c. » RuN-D.M.c. This is the rap record that started it all for me back in 1984. Yeah, I heard Sugar
Hill Gang’s “Rapper’s Delight,” Grandmaster Flash’s “The Message” and Doug
E. Fresh’s “La Di Da Di,” but it was “Rock Box” off Run-D.M.C.’s freshman album
that turned the lights completely on for me. As a kid who was knee deep in heavy
metal at the time, the squelching guitars of that track made me understand hip-
hop’s force and its ability to be a bridge. But you can’t sleep on the group’s lyrical
power too, with cuts like “Hard Times” and “Wake Up” taking over where Kurtis
Blow and Flash were leaving off. Fresh. For you.
12 » DE LA SOuL » 3 fEET HIGH AND RISING Perhaps the most perfect and wonderful tracks ever birthed by the Native
Tongues, “Plug Tunin’” was the just one groundbreaking De La cut that set 1989—
and my mind—ablaze over 20 years ago. I remember asking around trying to find
out who did the song back when all you had was hip-hop on mix shows on the
radio. Beyond that timeless classic, there is not a weak track on this album, from
“Potholes in my Lawn,” “Jenifa Taught Me,” “Ghetto Thang,” “Buddy” to “Say No
Go.” De La taught us all the emerging art of the sample (thanks to production wiz
Prince Paul), which Wikipedia devotes considerable space listing. But, more than
that, they introduced us, however somewhat unintentionally from the band’s point
of view, to hip-hop’s softer, more flowery side.
13 » DAVID BOWIE » ZIGGy STARDuSTA friend gave me a cassette of Ziggy Stardust back in college. I wasn’t knowing.
But after one listen to Bowie sing about the spiders from Mars, I was hooked. Even
though it’s considered glam rock, there is a soulful quality to the music on this
disc. The songs also blend together like an album should, which is why I almost
always listen to it front to back. Sure, Bowie’s ‘80s hit “Let’s Dance” can still rock
a party, but put this ‘70s platter on, light up a hookah and kick back on a bean
bag chair for a really good time.
14 » ARcADE fIRE » fuNERALHearing the back story behind this album may have colored its meaning for me
a bit. Supposedly, several friends or family of the band members had all died in
the months leading up to the recording sessions. Funeral was an emotional and
cathartic creation, one they aptly named lest they ever forget. When I first heard
the opening strains of “Neighborhood #1 (Tunnels),” I was immediately swept up.
And by the time I got to “Haiti,” my emotions were hitting their peaks. If an album
can be incredibly uplifting and deeply melancholy all in one, this is it. Definitely
one of my favorites from the ‘00s.
15 » MöTLEy cRüE » TOO fAST fOR LOVE You can’t blame me, or any other ‘80s metal kid, for thinking these guys were
European back in the day. I mean, they had the fake umlauts in their name
(I guess biting Motörhead and other bands at the time) and the fancy “crew”
spelling. But these were leather and stud clad long hairs from the Sunset Strip,
dreaming up this masterpiece almost three decades ago. Few records from that
hair metal generation are even listenable these days, much less full of hits. But
tell me if “Merry-Go-Round,” “Starry Eyes” or “On With the Show” aren’t about as
good as metal gets. Devil horns up!
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01 » FARMER BROWNFarmer Brown, you’ve never done me wrong! Everything on the menu is ab-solutely amazing, but their fried chicken tops the list. Don’t forget to use their in-house hot sauce.
02 » PEARL’S DELUXE BURGERLA may have 8oz, Umami and 25 Degrees, but it doesn’t have Pearl’s Deluxe Burger. It may very well be, my favorite burger… ever. Play it safe with the Phat Bobb and a side of onion rings. 12pm or 12am, this place is a 10.
03 » HOUSE OF NANKINGI’ve waited in line for tickets… I’ve waited in line for shoes… I’ve even waited in line for hot dogs, but, I’ve never waited in line for Chinese food…until I went to the House of Nanking. I always wait in line at least 20 minutes, and forget every second once I get to the food. Between their sesame chicken and crispy sole, you can’t go wrong. Trust me.
04 » SAKANA SUSHIIf I’m going to SF, I’m going to Sakana Sushi. No questions asked. I experi-ment a bit on every visit, but I always have my staples: Toro, Kani and Hama-chi Negi Rolls. You can even come for a good meal without any sushi; their tonkatsu is the best in town.
05 » POSTRIOWolfgang Puck’s, Postrio, has two things for going itself: it’s right by The Hundreds San Francisco, and it offers classic dishes with a sophisticated twist. Case in point: their roasted garlic, potato pizza. Who other than Mr.Puck himself fathoms putting potato on a pizza? Genius.
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» Mike Rap. You know hiM. if You don’t, he’s “oh, that guY! i love that guY!” to You. He’s front and center
in some of my, and should be your, favorite movies. True Romance, Beautiful Girls, Higher Learning. He was Phoebe’s boyfriend on
Friends I think (I’ve never seen a full episode of that show). Anyways, that’s Mike. Here, off the top of his head, he breaks down his
top 12 actors of all time:
01 » John tuRtuRRoAlright my top 12 actors, first I’d say my first favorite actor, John Turturro.
Who’s been extremely inspiring to me for the diversity of his roles, the in-
tensity of his roles, and just his commitment to doing various kinds of films
and various kinds of roles. Independent films, small films, big films, quirky
films, you know. Good guys, bad guys, always complex characters, always very
human. He’s just been a huge inspiration to me especially when I was a
little younger.
02 » RoBeRt de niRoSecondly, I’d go with De Niro. Needs no explanation.
03 » al paCinoAnd Pacino, needs no explanation.
04 » dustin hoffManSo that’s three. Then I’ll go with Dustin Hoffman who is the quintessential
New York actor although he’s from Los Angeles. You know, Midnight Cowboy,
Kramer vs. Kramer, very very important movie to me. Uh Lenny, I mean ev-
erything that he’s done, he’s just a big inspiration and always been somebody
who I’ve gotten something from watching. That’s four.
05 » RoBeRt duvallThen I’ll go with Robert Duvall who is a giant. His whole entire career, The
Great Santini, everything that he’s ever done, The Godfather obviously, but
the icing on the cake for me with him was when he directed and starred in
The Apostle. Just such a strong performance. He did a film called Angelo My
Love, a small, small, small independent movie that I don’t even know how to
get on DVD, that he directed. Not a lot of people know about that. Not that
I’m a big smart alec or anything like that. Is that five, that five? That’s five.
But I just wanna just say if I was gonna do the, uh, what the hell is it with the
presidents? The statues? The Mt Rushmore of acting for me? De Niro, Pacino,
Duvall, and Hoffman. Obviously Marlon Brando, he gets his own mountain.
Because without Marlon Brando there is nobody in regards to the method
acting, intense, brooding guys. Paul Newman as well. But I’m not gonna put
Paul Newman and Marlon Brando in here because they get a separate sort
of thing. They can’t even be grouped together. That’s how much respect I
have for them.
06 » denZel washingtonSo then I’ll do Denzel, who I think is the best actor acting right now, who is
one of the few people who can make a shitty movie good singlehandedly. He’s
in great movies, I don’t wanna say that he’s not always in great movies. But
I’ve seen him, he’s like a guy who can score seven points and make a shitty
team win a game, that’s how good of an actor he is. You could put him in a
bad movie and his performance can make you think it’s actually a good movie.
07 » MeRYl stReepThis is in no specific order. Meryl Streep, who is kind of like the method actor of
actresses. Still fantastic, Sophie’s Choice, The Deerhunter, so many great perfor-
mances and even something silly, not si-, yah I’ll say silly like It’s Complicated. She’s
like a fine wine, she gets better and better with age, she’s beautiful. Kramer vs.
Kramer, you know she did with Dustin Hoffman.
08 » John CaZaleUm, John Cazale, who was in The Deerhunter and The Godfather and Dog Day
Afternoon, who passed away, if he was around would still be one of the greats. Great
character actor, very inspiring, legendary, stage actor in New York. He’s in there. I
think that’s seven or is that eight?
09 » sean pennSean Penn, who is just shockingly good. Always good. Variety in his performances.
Ever since Fast Times At Ridgemont High to Milk to everything in between. I mean,
he doesn’t need any explanation he’s just, a monster, a giant, and uh, he’s just young-
er than the other guys. I know I’m forgetting dudes because I forgot my list. Shit.
10 » MuhaMMad aliMy number ten favorite actor is gonna throw you for a loop but it’s Muhammad Ali.
No better performer, no better, he’s probably the best performer ever. Best actor,
best speaker, most charismatic, best looking, he inspires me as an actor just because
when he was in his prime, the way he would talk and the insight and the cockiness,
the bravado with which he would talk with, he goes in my top ten.
11 » ChRistopheR walkenI’ll go with Christopher Walken. Has his own way of saying lines. Has his own
cadence. You know his grammatical way of speaking, the way he fucks around with
periods and commas and pauses, it is just you know, you can’t even copy it. You
could do an impression of him but you can’t copy it.
12 » MiChael RapapoRtAnd number twelve is myself! And the reason why I say that is because in this busi-
ness, you gotta be your biggest fan and your biggest critic. So as much as I have my
self-hate I always gotta back myself up. So I’ll put myself in the top twelve, not that
I’m as good as those dudes but that’s just what you gotta have if you wanna maintain
sanity in this business. You gotta back yourself.
So I’m gonna squeeze myself in there. I could keep going on. I mean I could do
Laurence Fishburne, Samuel L. Jackson, and I didn’t even go into any of the younger
actors like the Javier Bardems and the Benicio Del Toros. Did I mention myself?
Anyways so there’s a lot more. I have a lot of respect for a lot of actors and actresses.
So that’s my top twelve favorite actors of all time.
[Editor’s note: About an hour after the interview, Mike texted me. “Jack Nicholson.
I forgot Jack Nicholson.”]
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