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Page 1: The Electric Force of a Current - Portal IFGWassis/The-Electric-Force-of-a-Current-03-09-2011.pdf · Feynman Lectures on Physics, Vol. 2, Section 13-6 (1964): “In a normal conductor,

The Electric Force of a Current

A. K. T. Assis

University of Campinas – Brazil

www.ifi.unicamp.br/~assis

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Assis and Hernandes,

The Electric Force of a Current

(Apeiron, Montreal, 2007)

www.ifi.unicamp.br/~assis2

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• Is there a force between a stationary charge

and a stationary circuit carrying a steady

current?

• Is the wire neutral at all points?

• Where are the charges which generate the

electric field inside the resistive wire? 3

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Maxwell (Treatise of Electricity and

Magnetism, 1873, article 848):

“Such an action has never been observed.”

Clausius (1877): “We accept as criterion the

experimental result that a constant current in

a stationary conductor exerts no force on

stationary charge.”

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Feynman Lectures on Physics, Vol. 2, Section

13-6 (1964): “In a normal conductor, like

copper, the electric currents come from the

motion of some of the negative electrons. (...)

There is thus no electric field outside the wire.”

Jackson, Classical Electrodynamics, 1975,

Exc. 14.13: “For a real circuit the stationary

positive ions in the conductor will produce an

electric field which just cancels that due to

the moving charges.”5

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Continuity of the tangential component of E

There must be an electric field outside resistive

wires carrying steady currents. Reasons:

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Bending a wire:

JE

Ohm’s law

Where are the electric charges which generate the

electric field inside a wire carrying a constant current?

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Weber and Kirchhoff in 1850-7:

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Consequences:

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Solution of the problem:

|'|

''

4

1

|'|

'

4

1)(

00 rr

dar

rr

qr

02 and the boundary

conditions over the

surface of the wire.

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Straight wire with steady current:

a

z0

ˆˆln

ln

)(

ˆ)(

0

0

zk

a

EaE

kEaE

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Bergmann and Schaefer

(Elektrizität und

Magnetismus, 1950).

V = 30 kV.

Jefimenko, AJP 30,

19 (1962).

V = 10 kV.

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Jefimenko et al., Proc. West Virginia Acad.

Sci. 34, 163 (1962).

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Transmission line:

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Coaxial cable: Analogous situation to that

of a straight wire.

E outside ≠ 0. There should be interference

between two coaxial cables.16

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Infinite solenoid, Heald,

AJP 52, 522 (1984): 2tan0

E outside ≠ 0 17

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Resistive ring with steady current

J. A. Hernandes and A. K. T. Assis,

Phys. Rev. E 68, 046611 (2003). 18

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Toroidal coordinates , , :

x

y

azyx

za

azyx

yxatan ,

2tan ,

2tan

22222222

22

)()()( coscosh ,02 XH

1 0

2/1

0

2/1

)(cosh)cos()sin(

)(cosh)cos(coscosh

q p

q

ppq

p

pp

PpBq

PpA

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Weber in 1852: “The electric charge of the

circuit increases from the neutral point to the

contact point not uniformly, but accelerates

gradually.”

Density of surface charges in the resistive

ring with steady current:

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Sansbury, Rev. Scientific Instruments 56, 415 (1985)

Cq 1010

NFkAICq 710 10 , ,1022

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AIMRRkVV 13 ,75 ,2 21

Moreau et al., AJP 53, 552 (1985).

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Chabay and Sherwood, Electric and Magnetic

Interactions (2002).

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Video showing this experiment:

www.matterandinteractions.org/Content/Materials/Videos/SurfaceCharge.mov

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Assis and Hernandes,

The Electric Force of a Current

(Apeiron, Montreal, 2007)

www.ifi.unicamp.br/~assis25

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Conclusion:

www.ifi.unicamp.br/~assis

But Weber got there first!

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Additional material

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Weber, 1852:

BxA

iExE ˆln)( 0

BxAL

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Resistive strip

Elliptic-cylindrical coordinates

22

21

ya

zkk

V = 10 kV.

Jefimenko, AJP

30, 19 (1962).

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Lumped resistor, Heald, AJP 52, 522 (1984):

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