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came the opportunity for investors to make incredible amounts of money. In
this article, I would like to discuss one that has the potential to make
billionaires. It is called the ProShares Short VIX Short-Term Futures ETF
(NYSEARCA:SVXY). There is a ETN incarnation of the same called the
VelocityShares Daily Inverse VIX Short-Term ETN(NASDAQ:XIV). While
I restrict this article to SVXY only, the same conclusions can be made about
XIV, as the underlying assets are identical for these two.
The above chart shows the performance of SVXY since inception. In less than
2 years, this ETF has grown close to 5x. Can it keep up this performance? To
examine that, let's first study how this ETF is constructed. This ETF is
designed to return, every day, the negative of the daily return of the most
popular volatility ETF, the iPath S&P 500 VIX Short-Term Futures ETN
(NYSEARCA:VXX). To model the SVXY, I started by modeling the VXX.
VXX invests in a combination of the two front month VIX futures. I had earlier
written in an article titled An ETF And An ETN That May Return 10-30% ByAugust Endthat explains how the VXX is constructed.
The VXX ETF ... keeps exposure of one month in the two front month
futures on the volatility index (VIX). It will invest in the combination
of the two forward month futures such that its weighted average
exposure is a month. This is how it works.
Today was the expiration of the July VIX futures, so as of end of day
today the VXX ETF is fully invested in the August futures. Over the
next 5 weeks it will sell a portion of its August futures every day and
buy September futures on VIX, to maintain the one month average
exposure. Since September futures are currently trading at around
7% higher than the August futures, each time it does this it will lose a
little bit of money, known as the roll yield (loss). In addition, the
August futures is currently about 12% higher than the spot VIX, so
that will erode as well, as it must match spot VIX on expiration.
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by Steven Hansen
Let's first model the VXX and in turn the SVXY in a situation where VIX is
unchanged. We can then add back the impact of a VIX change. Consider a 28
day VIX expiration cycle, where VIX starts at 19 (the historical average), and
remains unchanged every day. At the start of the cycle, the first month future
is modeled as 12% higher than VIX, and the second month future is modeled
8% higher than the first month future. (These are historical averages ever
since VIX futures started trading.) At the end of the cycle,the first month
future converges to the value of VIX, and the second month future is 12%
higher than VIX, as it is about to become the go forward first month future.
The model assumes that the VIX futures decay at a constant rate from start
to finish. This is how such a model would perform.
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As the above chart shows, under this circumstance, VXX would decay by 9%,
and SVXY would increase by about 10%. (One interesting feature of this
model - the starting VIX price doesn't matter. You can plug in 10 or 30 and
the returns will still be identical to the one at 19.) If VIX remained unchanged
throughout the year (which is unlikely), this would result in a 200%+ annual
return for SVXY. Of course, in reality VIX would move around. So, I next
modeled the impact of a change in VIX.
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But what is a realistic monthly change in VIX? Next, I drew the distribution of
monthly VIX changes using data going back to 1990.
(Click to enlarge)
Clearly, there is a long tail. However, the 95% confidence intervals are -40%
to +43%. This means the 95% confidence interval for monthly change in
SVXY is roughly -25% to +80%. The average VIX monthly change is about
2%, so the average expected monthly change in SVXY is around 8% per my
model.
A expected monthly return of 8% is the stuff that makes not millions, but
billions. It translates to around 150% return for a year. A mere 10 bucks
invested at that rate of return would turn into a billion in about 20 years.
However, if only life were so easy. Note that there is a chance that SVXY
drops by up to 25% in a given month. A few months like that, and investors
would be facing extreme drawdowns, which are very difficult to recover from.
I decided to check what has happened in reality.
VIX futures started trading in 2004. Using data from CBOE, and using the
algorithm presented in the prospectus of the volatility ETFs, I created
synthetic values for SVXY going back to where the futures just startedtrading. Then, I measured annual return for each trading day, and averaged
that to get to average annual returns. Finally, I calculated maximum
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drawdowns. Then I repeated the same but ignoring 2007-2009, the financial
crisis years, as these are (hopefully) an outlier that we will not again see in
decades. These are the results for simulated SVXY.
So, there you have it. In a rather turbulent period, SVXY has still returned, on
average, about 80% per year. In order to become a billionaire over the usual
30 years of investing life, an investor would have to put in 30 dollars into it in
a retirement account, and wake up a billionaire by the time of retirement.
This sounds way too easy, so what's the catch? Well, look at the max
drawdown figure. It is a whooping 90%. The investor would need an iron
stomach to weather that, and I believe most people would be unable to do
that. In fact, at about a 20% drawdown, I suspect people will be itching to
sell, and then buy back when the ETF rallies, thus eroding all the gains. For a
volatile ETF such as SVXY, people would for sure try to time the market, and
in the process lose all the gains. With great upside comes great drawdown, as
Spiderman would have said.
However, for those that have a strong stomach and a thousand dollars to
spare, I recommend putting in a thousand dollars in SVXY and put that in a
lockbox. Don't look at it for 20 years. I repeat, do not look at it, and ignore all
the market gyrations.
I suspect when you open the lockbox in 20 years you will be extremely happy.
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Great article! I have written about SVXY and XIV in the past and really like SVXY
because it has options. It is the perfect covered call choice for many of the
reasons you mentioned above.
I got crushed in XIV in 2011 when we had big extended volatility that crashed XIV
from 17 per share down to around 5, but I was smart enough to not sell. I held
because I too believed that once volatility returned to more normal levels, the
price would come back.
12 months later, the price was back around 17 and today it is up around 25!
Imagine those people who bought XIV at 5 just 24 months ago, and it is now
trading at 25! I would buy SVXY (because it has options) over XIV, and would buy
it any time volatility spikes. SVXY gains quickly in a volatility crush, as we just
saw a few weeks ago. 30 days ago, SVXY was trading around 72 and is today at
around 102...that is in 30 days! I made money on that volatility crush but played
it by selling a straddle on UVXY, a much riskier way to play it, but one that
worked out for me. Good luck to everyone!
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Yeah, I kind of prefer the way you employ some sort of hedging strategyover the lockbox idea.
That way you can devote larger amounts of money to the basic concepts
mentioned here, hopefully without having to stomach the 90% drawdowns
and still do very well.
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"12 months later, the price was back around 17 and today it is up around25! Imagine those people who bought XIV at 5 just 24 months ago, "
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But this case shows why his analysis is over-optimistic and inaccurate.
XIV was 17 in July of 2011. Now it is 25. That's not "80% per year" not
even close. Not even better than the S&P.
XIV and SVXY are the same product. It gets killed when volatility spikes. It
also does not exactly track the way he thinks it does and aug 2011 is a
great example.
If you compare with vxx falling by 75% since july 2011, you'd think xiv
should be up 4x. It's not!
notice for example how xiv / svxy are YTD up about 40% while vxx hasfallen by more than half ... but if vxx DOUBLES what happens to xiv / svxy
? They crater by MORE than half... that 17 to 5 action was in tandem with
vxx doubling.
So, in other words, if we had a volatility even doubled vxx, to get it back to
where it was in january, xiv/svxy would end up at less than 25/2 or 12. So
you'd be BELOW the July 2011, and that just from an event that send vix
futures to around 30.
The article's critics in the comments are correct that his math is wrong and
its due to :
1) convexity - the difference between gains and losses on volatile products
tend to work in a way to DEGRADE returns.
2) volatility - adds risk while (again) reducing average returns.
(+50% and -50% gets you below even, so does +2% and -2%, which if
you do that daily, can grind down value. This is why the short version of
vxx and vxx together combined do worse than even.)
Its not a bad stock to own, I have some xiv in my IRA, but this article way
oversells its return and undersells the risks. It will not have the kind of
returns he claims unless there is a 30 year uninterrupted bull market.
wont happen.
The other criticism that he's not got 30 year of history is valid.
We have been in an unusual period of high volatility in a crisis and
postcrisis after shocks like in 2010, 2011 and 2012. that has created the
'perfect storm' of falling volatility while volatility futures have been in high
contango.
This have been a good time to be short volatility - if you skipped
2007/2008 so only since 2009 and only if you rode the crises ok. As usual
the early brave money gets the best returns. When this trade gets
crowded it will stop working, as contango premiums flatten just in time for
the next crisis to slaughter short vix positions.
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Authors reply Guys, I post a 10 year simulation, making clear there are
90% drawdowns, and you keep picking the periods of high drawdowns to
prove that I am wrong? Why am I not able to communicate what I mean
by long term?
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MI:Guys, I post a 10 year simulation, making clear there are 90%
drawdowns, and you keep picking the periods of high drawdowns to prove
that I am wrong? Why am I not able to communicate what I mean by long
term?
S2L: Because buying and holding through a 94% drawdown (my
estimates) is financial hari-kiri.
Secondly and perhaps more importantly if one entertains the idea of buy
and hold with these instruments "no matter what".
You need to be prepared to go into the futures market yourself to execute
the strategy the best you can In the event of a financial crisis or
shuttering of the fund after huge losses (and outflows).
I say this because there is no guarantee the funds will be in existence
status post a huge drawdown.
It's one thing for your fund to lose 90+% and think you would hold on.
But what if you couldn't because the fund stopped trading?XIV explicitly states a 1 day 80% loss will be considered a termination
event for the etn.
The one day financial Armageddon of Oct 19 1987 in which the sp500 fell
in excess of 20% in one day would have certainly triggered such an event.
Furthermore Proshares on pg 140 of their prospectus states:
"Termination Events
The Trust, or, as the case may be, a Fund, may be dissolved at any time
and for any reason by the Sponsor
with written notice to the shareholders."
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I'm with you there dude. You're suggesting a $1K investment that you
don't look at for 20 years. That's about 5 pizzas a year that you're giving
up, for a shot at potentially a boatload of money. Even with every qualifier
you could throw at it (past performance no guarantee of future
performance, structural issues with ETNs and ETFs (which also apply to
stuff like SPY), extreme drawdown risk, etc.), it's kind of silly not to give it
a try.
Another way to look at it, instead of buying a $1 lottery ticket once a week
for 20 years, you could put $1K in this, and you'd have a way, way higher
probability of making a boatload of money.
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Or you could see it as tossing away over $6K with a 10% annual return on
a different investment. Opportunity cost certainly exists, and it doesn'thave to be 5 pizzas per year.
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"XIV explicitly states a 1 day 80% loss will be considered a termination
event for the etn."
Wow. I didn't know that ... that makes its "go to zero" probability higher
than I thought.
When you consider that the vix jumped up 50% in feb 2007 - in a single
day and 'out of the blue' , or 1987 crash ... we know these things can
happen - becaseu they HAVE happened, but its impossible to assess the
probability of 6-sigma type events happening ing in the next 30 years/
7650 trading sessions.
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No, your whitewashing of Black Swan events is not why your annual
return conclusions are wrong, just suspect, because there is a large error
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bar in even a long-term return assumption with those possibly sliced 90%
of the value of the position.
But, what make your return analysis wrong, its that:
a) xiv NEVER performs as well as the inverse of vxx
b) doing a monthly analysis leaves out the daily tracking error that you end
up getting and
c) which is largely responsible for that performance gap.
and
d) most importantly, others have done the more careful analysis based onhistorical daily returns, and it shows that xiv in a synthetic form would
have been at the equivalent of a little over $20 in feb 2007, before the
Chinese news event spiked vix and made it tumble. so barely 5%/yr in 6
years.
Based on the more careful analysis looking at actual daily returns, on Jan 1
2004, it was at an equivalent of $2. 10x to $22 in feb 2007, then in 2007
and 2008 fell by almost 90% to around $3. Today its at $26, so a 10x in a
decade. Respectable 30%/yr type returns but NOWHERE NEAR the
performance you claim, which is based not on history nor on the most
careful analysis, but more approximate analysis. You should not makesuch bold claims on the basis of approximate analysis. They are
overstated.
And yes, we are just one black swan event away from turning a 10x in 10
years into a 1x in 11years or so. Cant happen? If you say, but the whole
point of black swans are their inherent unpredictability.
29 Jul 2013, 12:52 AM ! Report Abuse ReplyLike 2
Authors reply Once again you are not doing average annual return
calculation. You are doing point to point annualized return calculation.
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"The one day financial Armageddon of Oct 19 1987 in which the sp500 fell
in excess of 20% in one day would have certainly triggered such anevent."
That won't happen anymore because there are circuit breakers put in that
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will freeze the markets from trading when a certain %-age threshold is
reached. I can assure you that threshold is much lower than a 20% loss.
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Right, but the risk of getting less than 10% annual return over the course
of 20 years is pretty small with XIV.
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ID:"That won't happen anymore because there are circuit breakers put in
that will freeze the markets from trading when a certain %-age threshold
is reached."
S2L: Quite frankly with the advances in computerized orders since 1987
temporary halting the market may perversely increase selling pressure of
such a day.
How quickly does it take for a computer to go bid less and a stock trade
near zero now.
Does no one remember the flash crash in mere minutes the Dow lost 1000
points?
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"How quickly does it take for a computer to go bid less and a stock trade
near zero now."
Say what?
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Authors reply How much did vix futures spike on the day of the flash
crash?
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"The role of human market makers, who can match buyers and sellers and
provide liquidity to the market, is now more and more played by computer
programs. If those program traders pull back from the market, then big
"buy" or "sell" orders can lead to sudden, big swings. It increases the
probability of surprise distortions same as the equity markets, according
to a professional investor. In February 2011, the sugar market took a dive
of 6% in just one second. On March 1, Cocoa-futures prices dropped 13%in less than a minute on the IntercontinentalExchange. Cocoa plunged
$450 to a low of $3,217 a metric ton before rebounding quickly. The U.S.
dollar tumbled against the yen on March 16, falling 5% in minutes, one of
its biggest moves ever. According to a former cocoa trader: ' "The
electronic platform is too fast; it doesn't slow things down" like humans
would. '[59]"http://bit.ly/nUjrJa
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Authors reply But they recover just as fast. You seem to forget that S2L.
:-)
Look, I understand that you are very interested in second by second
trades, while I recommend 10-20 year buy and holds. Hence we are
always talking past each other.
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Macro:Look, I understand that you are very interested in second by
second trades, while I recommend 10-20 year buy and holds. Hence we
are always talking past each other.
S2L: That's just nonsense Macro,I was just showing that computerized
trading increases the ability for more rapid market plunges.
Just because I recognize the " now is the best time to buy" mantra as
sheer nonsense doesn't make me a short term daytrader.
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I thought there were circuit breakers on SOME stocks, whereas this is is
not exactly a stock, although it IS exchange tradeable like a stock.
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http://bit.ly/qXPjvY
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