TalkingSpace & TalkingHealth

The IAPT service, Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire NHS Foundation Trust

Christina Surawy: Oxford Mindfulness Centre, Oxford University Department of Psychiatry

With thanks to: Emma Evans, Clinical Supervisor and Clinical Psychologist

Outline of the session

Overview of TalkingSpace TalkingHealth: Services for people with long-

term health conditions MBCT within IAPT Questions and answers

Referrals to TalkingSpace

TS receives 6500 referrals a year Primarily self-referral The service is meeting nationally agreed

recovery rates (40-50%)

The stepped care model

Step 4 – Secondary Care (e.g. CMHT)

Eating Disorders, Drug and Alcohol addictions, Severe OCD, Severe depression, Bipolar disorder, Psychosis

Step 3 – Primary Care (High Intensity Therapy)Moderate to severe depression, mild to moderate anxiety, including GAD and health anxiety, OCD, social phobia, PTSD

Step 2 – Primary Care (Low Intensity Therapy)

Mild to moderate depression or anxiety

Step 1 – Active monitoring (often GP)

Psychological problem identified

PHQ-9 and GAD-7 completed at least 5 weeks apart

Patient direct to self-help materials

Typical patient journey

ROUTE A: Patient consults GP and mental health concerns are raised

GP: Discuss and assess patient suitability for IAPT. GP gives patient TalkingSpace leaflet

Patient:Calls in to book initial telephone assessment (or sends in brief form)

ROUTE B: Self-referral

Typical patient journey

Route C: Mental health concerns identified during consultation with other health professional

Health professional: Discuss and assess patient suitability for IAPT. Gives patient TalkingHealth leaflet OR recommends further assessment

with GP

Patient: Calls in to book initial telephone assessment (or sends in brief form) OR

sees GP

Patient journey continuedPatient booked for initial brief telephone assessment (20-30 minutes maximum)

If appears appropriate for TalkingSpace: Step 2 class Step 2 guided self help for anxiety and depression or computerised CBT for

depression Step 3 High Intensity CBT assessment

BUT IF Primarily seeking help with adjustment/transition/loss/relationship issues AND/OR prefers a non-structured treatment

Referral to GP practice-based counselling (PML)

If referral appears inappropriate or unclear:

May involve: liaison with GP,CMHT/Psychological Therapies (Step 4)

Treatments offered

Step 2 (LI)

Psychoeducation courses – anxiety, depression, insomnia, emotional well being in diabetes

Information giving Bibliotherapy & Guided-self help Computerised CBT (Beating the Blues) 3-month follow ups as standard

Psychoeducation courses

Offered in various locations throughout Oxfordshire

Depression, anxiety or insomnia Four sessions (five for insomnia) Stand-alone treatment or an introduction to CBT

skills 1 month follow up call

Psychoeducation classes: patient comments It would do a majority of people good. It’s really helpful/reassuring to meet other people

suffering from the same thing. It’s nice to talk within a group and not just one to

one which is quite intense. Excellent and friendly presentation.  Useful and informative.  Has certainly helped me

to overcome some of my problems.

Treatments offered

Step 3 (High Intensity) Groups – depression, OCD, anxiety (transdiagnostic),

carers’ groups for people caring for people with dementia Individual CBT Mindfulness Based CT group for depression (relapse

prevention) Mindfulness Based CT group for long-term conditions IPT (Interpersonal therapy) DIPT (Brief Dynamic Interpersonal Therapy)

Additional interventions and services

Employment support (Restore) to liaise, provide signposting and support for people struggling to stay in employment

Who can’t we see? Children (under 18) Acute mental health crisis/ high risk to self or others Previous unsuccessful treatment at Step 3 Severe depression/anxiety Severe OCD Eating disorder Psychosis/Bipolar disorder Personality disorder Significant substance misuse Currently seen by another mental health service/

already receiving psychological therapy or counselling Not registered with Oxfordshire GP

TalkingHealth: A service for people with long-term physical health conditions Part of TalkingSpace Initially developing services for people living

with: Diabetes Cardiac rehab and heart failure CFS Long term conditions (including MS and MUS)

TalkingHealth

Higher rates of depression and anxiety when living with a long-term health condition

People do not access services at the expected rates – possible reasons: Focus on physical health? Mental health symptoms considered ‘inevitable’? Interaction between physical health and mental

health difficulties results in typical mental health treatments not seen as relevant/appropriate?

Self-referral or referral from any health professional

Work flexibly (telephone, GP practices and other settings)

Aim to work closely with those involved in physical health care

Priorities

Cardiac services

Input to classes run by nursing staff (psychoeducation)

Guided self help (step 2) Individual CBT and staff supervision groups

(step 3)

TalkingHealth: Diabetes The number of people recorded as having diabetes

accessing the service has doubled over the last year

Emotional well-being in diabetes course Four session psychoeducation group for people with

diabetes and depression. CBT based Adapted from step 2 class ‘Managing your mood’ Looks at interaction between physical and mental health Topics covers:

Behavioural activation Problem solving Goal setting Cognitive challenging

Evidence to support a course

Initial outcomes suggest:

Greater improvements in mood (PHQ-9) than in standard class Improvements in physical health (HBA1c)

MBCT in TalkingSpace and TalkingHealth OMC have undertaken to train step 3 IAPT

practitioners to deliver MBCT for recurrent depression and anxiety (TS) and LTC’s including MUS). Also a specific MBCT course for CFS

Hoffman et al. (2011) showed that MBCT reduces anxiety and depression across a range of physical diagnoses

So far 8 courses have run Average no. of participants in TS= 16 Fewer in talking health

MBCT for LTC’s

Open to all patients with anxiety and depression (or previous anxiety and depression) as a result of any physical health condition, and including carers.

Some data: Spring 2013 course, mean pre

post change in PHQ9= 11.25 – 6.75 with >50% moving from clinical to non clinical range

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For GAD 7, the change was from 9.12 to 5.5 with 50% moving fromclinical to non clinical range

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Case example – Bill

66 year old male Physical health: Multiple sclerosis (diagnosed 25

years), neuropathic pain, referred by pain clinic Mental health: Low mood, self-critical, frustration,

tense, restless, body/pain the enemy (constant battle) Treatment: Mindfulness based cognitive therapy

group (8 week programme) Outcome: improved mood, more relaxed, not fighting

pain/body, reduced scores on PHQ-9 & GAD-7

Future directions

Continue to adapt and develop MBCT for LTC’s and MUS

Individualised measures Developing links with pain services

Questions?