FOR

SWORN STATEMENT OF

FRED METZ, REAR ADMIRAL, USN RETIRED

August 22, 2005

Virginia Beach, Virginia

DELIVER TO:

DELIVERY TO THE BASE REALIGNMENT AND

COMMISSION, ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA

CLOSURE

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2 REAR ADMIRAL METZ: My name is Fred Metz,

Rear Admiral, United States Navy, retir,ed.

I was in the Navy for 34 years. I had

seven major commands. I was stationed on both the

East and West Coast, where I had both air and sea

commands. I have 1,000 carrier landings, over 300

combat missions in Vietnam.

Of the variety of tours that I had, I was

a landing signal officer for five tours. One of my

last jobs, I was a division head for all the aircraft

carriers in the Navy, all the air stations, and I was

the Department of Defense Navy representative for air

space.

I was concerned with the testimony given

by the Florida delegation to the Commission. Many of

the comments did not tell the complete position needed

to make a crucial decision for the base of the future

of Naval Aviation.

What is Florida offering the Navy?

Florida is offering the Navy land and a runway and

some buildings. To give that property to the Navy, a

very comprehensive EIS needs to be completed,

environmental impact statement, and I question the

timeline that's required for the BRAC process to

unfold for the EIS to be completed.

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We've heard a lot of promises. I am

concerned that the promises were not backed up with

actual facts, and there was a lot of speculation made

and a lot of promises.

I am also concerned that these promises

would not be able to be completed to make the timeline

that's required by the BRAC process.

One of the critical things the Governor

of Florida said was that he was going to give Cecil to

the Navy, but we need to remember what he was actually

giving is land and not the air space.

The actual air space around Cecil Field

that is controlled by the facility includes up to

3,000 feet within five miles. Cecil Field is a

tenant. The air space around Cecil Field that is

described is the limit of their control. If you want

to go anywhere e l s e , you have to go to t h e FAA. You

cannot fly out of Cecil Field without permission. You

have to get clearances from the FAA to get in the

airway structure.

We heard a lot in the testimony on

Saturday about going to different areas and how it was

not encumbered. Nowhere did we ever hear any

testimony from the FAA, who controls that air space.

When I was doing air space matters in

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'91, one of the things that we recognized at that time

was the increased air traffic along the East Coast was

going to be detrimental to flying in certain ar,eas.

Cecil Field was one of them.

In 1993 the Navy did a very comprehensive

air space study in the area of Cecil Field. And the

concerns that they had at that time was air space

encroachment around Cecil Field. There were many

consultations with the FAA, and the Navy presented a

lot of questions to the FAA as far as the future

ability for the Cecil Field area to grow and to be

accommodated also in the FAA structure.

Nowhere in any of the testimony did we

hear or was anything mentioned about FAA's approval of

the Navy returning to Cecil Field. We can buy the

land but we cannot control the air space. FAA must be

a major player in the decision t o move to Cecil Field.

If the F-18s go to Cecil Field, they are

going to compete with commercial aircraft leaving from

Buffalo, Boston, New York. Thousands of airplanes a

day pass through the Cecil Field area. The Navy will

then be competing with those aircraft for airspace.

Another thing is, there is a proposal to

increase the number of P-3s to go to NAS Jacksonville,

which further complicates the air issues in this area.

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A comprehensive study needs to be done

regarding airspace issues. Many questions have to be

answered before a decision for the future of Naval

Aviation can be made.

Is the FAA safely able to accommodate 285

airplanes into the area? Are they willing to

accommodate and can they support the air requirements

of those aircraft?

Have The airspace areas required for the

F-18 Super Hornet been established, which have never

flown out of Cecil Field?

Have they established routes to go to the

target at Pinecastle, which hasn't been in existence

at Cecil Field for four years?

Have they cleared the commercial

approaches into Orlando Airport for the construction

of the new runway with a major target area for maximum

utilization at Pinecastle?

There are many questions that we did not

hear the answers to that must be addressed before any

decision can be made to go to Cecil Field.

There may be ground encroachment at NAS

Oceana, however the potential air encroachment at

Cecil Field presently and also anticipated in the

future has to be addressed before any decision can be

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6 made.

Living in the Hampton Roads area, I've

had the opportunity to use some of my past skills as

being a landing signal officer to be a guest lecturer

at the Landing Signal Officer School here at NAS

Oceana which trains LSOs from all over the country.

In this capacity I stay very current in

field carrier landing procedures; I visit Fentress and

I also go aboard ship. I'm very current in present

procedures for air crews to train and go aboard ship.

As was stated in other testimony, FCLP,

field care landing practice, and going aboard ship is

a very demanding process, but no place in the Navy --

and I've flown at every field in the Navy -- do we

have the optimum conditions that replicate the

conditions we encounter on the ship. The way we land

on t h e s h i p a n d t h e way w e p r a c t i c e on t h e f i e l d a t

night is not the same anywhere we train.

The pattern on the ship is a very

demanding pattern, but we have limitations at every

field. The field that the Navy is contemplating

building in North Carolina is going to have the

capability to come closest to replicating the carrier

landing pattern that we use aboard ship at night.

However, we have proven over the years

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since I started flying in 1960 that the way that we do

carrier landing practice now is acceptable, and our

safety record is amazing, and the ability for these

young aviators to safely land is tremendous.

Being a lecturer at the LSO school, I

continually am in contact with the amazing, young

pilots, the men and women, that fly the aircraft from

our carriers.

The Hampton Roads area offers the Navy

family so much. In addition to the excellent training

offered to the pilots, the family is offered excellent

educational opportunities, they are provided a safe

environment to raise their children, as well as

excellent health facilities.

People who come here, many will end up

staying here when they retire. We have one of the

largest military retirement communities in the nation,

which is confirmation of the attractive quality of

life the Hampton Roads area has to offer.

What the Chief of Naval Operations said

in one of his first statement is, we need to worry

about combat readiness and family readiness. This

area offers both. I can attest to the high morale of

the Officers, men and women, and their families that

have the opportunity to live in the Hampton Roads

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8 area.

With regard to joing training, we have

many outstanding facilities in the area. Dam Neck

offers the squadrons battle group training. The Fleet

Intelligence Center offers air crews strike target

training. The proximity of the ship allows us to

continually integrate the squadrons and facilities.

But more importantly, as we have learned

over the last 10 years, there is not one service; it's

a joint service.

Here at Hampton Roads we have the ability

to train with every service; the Air Force at Langley,

the special warfare units are here in the Hampton

Roads area and continually train with these units. We

train with the Marine aircraft down at Cherry Point.

We train with the combat Marines at Camp Lejune where

we have the ability to do close air support. We also

go to Fort Bragg where we train with Special Forces

units. And we also train with the Air Force F-15s at

Seymore Johnson Air Force Base.

It's all integrated training. No longer

is it just one Navy; it's a joint business, and

there's nowhere else on the East Coast that affords us

this ability.

~ We have the Joint Training Center here in

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the Hampton Roads area where we are able to actually

interface with joint training worldwide.

When we deploy, we just don't go as a

ship, we go as the whole unit. And the joint training

that is afforded to us in the Hampton Roads area is

essential. Nowhere else can this be accomplished.

The biggest concern that I have regarding

the Cecil Field option is that the lack of certified

data would make any such decision speculative and

risky. The Navy has a mission, and the Chief of Naval

Operations and the Secretary of Defense know better

than anybody how to accomplish that mission.

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COMMONWEALTH OF V I R G I N I A AT LARGE, to wit:

I, Scott D. Gregg, RPR, a Notary Public for the

Commonwealth of Virginia at Large, of qualification in

the Circuit Court of the City of Norfolk whose

commission expires July 31, 2008, do hereby certify

that the within person, FRED METZ, REAR ADMIRAL, U S N

RETIRED, appeared before me at V i r g i n i a Beach,

V i r g i n i a , as hereinbefore set forth; and after being

first duly sworn by me, thereupon made the above

statement; that his statement was recorded in

stenotype by me and reduced to typescript under my

direction; and that the foregoing transcript

constitutes a true, accurate, and complete transcript.

I further certify that I am not related to

nox otherwise associated with any party to this

proceeding, nor otherwise interested in the event

thereof. Given under m y hand and notarial seal at

/ , 2 0 0 5 . Norfolk,

Scott D. Gregg, R P R

Notary Public

Fred Metz, R e a r Admiral, U S N R e t i r e d

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