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Entrevista Pierre Huyghe A propósito de Streamside Day ART21: What is the poetic procedure in your work, Streamside Day? HUYGHE: Streamside is a little town, north of New York. It was under construction when I found it, and I created—or invented—a tradition for it. I was interested in the notion of celebration, and what it means to celebrate. I tried to find a story within the context of the local situation, looking for what the people there had in common. I found something basic: they all came from somewhere else and encountered nature. I invented a kind of score, a scripted program, and I filmed that—all these people traveling to experience what they think is wilderness. In fact, it’s a wilderness that’s a total construct, rebuilt by man for four hundred years. So, I started the film with a reenactment of the beginning of Bambi, with the deer going from nature to this new town. And then you have two little girls who go from the town to nature. And that is the basis of the tradition I created. But that’s not what really interested me. I was interested in creating a ritual that the people in the town would actually celebrate because it’s based on what they share. ART21: What are the kinds of cultural things that create the framework for this piece? HUYGHE: You can think about Epcot Center or the experimental community called Celebration that Disney was working on in Florida. You can think about the first utopian community in the U.S. And you can think about movies like E.T. and Twin Peaks. ART21: Describe what is going on right now, as we’re watching the film. HUYGHE: Right now, this animal is entering a white cube in a certain way. This deer goes from nature, which has a certain complexity, to this kind of white cube. And then you see a little girl at her home, and she’s traveling from her old home to her new home. So, it’s exactly the same movement. One is by the animal; one is by a human. It’s two simple crossings or migrations. On a more abstract level, what interested me was to find the coefficient—the part of the fiction that was contained within the particular situation. I’m always doing that, trying to amplify the part of fiction that is contained in a reality, in a given situation. I was trying to find where the potential was in this new town. I was not interested in filming the reality as it was given. And I’m not interested in building fiction. What I am interested in is setting up a reality, building a situation, constructing a world, and documenting it. I can give an example. Let’s say you have a documentary about a farmer and cows. They exist. You arrive, open your camera, and film them. Then you shut the camera off and go back home, but still the farmer and the cow are there after you leave. In fiction, you have this character in front of you; you open your camera (when I say camera, I simply mean

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Entrevista  Pierre  Huyghe  A  propósito  de  Streamside  Day  

ART21:  What  is  the  poetic  procedure  in  your  work,  Streamside  Day?  

HUYGHE:  Streamside  is  a  little  town,  north  of  New  York.  It  was  under  construction  when  I  found  it,  and  I  created—or  invented—a  tradition  for  it.  I  was  interested  in  the  notion  of  celebration,  and  what  it  means  to  celebrate.  I  tried  to  find  a  story  within  the  context  of  the  local  situation,  looking  for  what  the  people  there  had  in  common.  I  found  something  basic:  they  all  came  from  somewhere  else  and  encountered  nature.  I  invented  a  kind  of  score,  a  scripted  program,  and  I  filmed  that—all  these  people  traveling  to  experience  what  they  think  is  wilderness.  In  fact,  it’s  a  wilderness  that’s  a  total  construct,  rebuilt  by  man  for  four  hundred  years.  So,  I  started  the  film  with  a  re-­‐enactment  of  the  beginning  of  Bambi,  with  the  deer  going  from  nature  to  this  new  town.  And  then  you  have  two  little  girls  who  go  from  the  town  to  nature.  And  that  is  the  basis  of  the  tradition  I  created.  But  that’s  not  what  really  interested  me.  I  was  interested  in  creating  a  ritual  that  the  people  in  the  town  would  actually  celebrate  because  it’s  based  on  what  they  share.    

ART21:  What  are  the  kinds  of  cultural  things  that  create  the  framework  for  this  piece?  

HUYGHE:  You  can  think  about  Epcot  Center  or  the  experimental  community  called  Celebration  that  Disney  was  working  on  in  Florida.  You  can  think  about  the  first  utopian  community  in  the  U.S.  And  you  can  think  about  movies  like  E.T.  and  Twin  Peaks.  

ART21:  Describe  what  is  going  on  right  now,  as  we’re  watching  the  film.  

HUYGHE:  Right  now,  this  animal  is  entering  a  white  cube  in  a  certain  way.  This  deer  goes  from  nature,  which  has  a  certain  complexity,  to  this  kind  of  white  cube.  And  then  you  see  a  little  girl  at  her  home,  and  she’s  traveling  from  her  old  home  to  her  new  home.  So,  it’s  exactly  the  same  movement.  One  is  by  the  animal;  one  is  by  a  human.  It’s  two  simple  crossings  or  migrations.  

On  a  more  abstract  level,  what  interested  me  was  to  find  the  coefficient—the  part  of  the  fiction  that  was  contained  within  the  particular  situation.  I’m  always  doing  that,  trying  to  amplify  the  part  of  fiction  that  is  contained  in  a  reality,  in  a  given  situation.  I  was  trying  to  find  where  the  potential  was  in  this  new  town.  I  was  not  interested  in  filming  the  reality  as  it  was  given.  And  I’m  not  interested  in  building  fiction.  What  I  am  interested  in  is  setting  up  a  reality,  building  a  situation,  constructing  a  world,  and  documenting  it.    

I  can  give  an  example.  Let’s  say  you  have  a  documentary  about  a  farmer  and  cows.  They  exist.  You  arrive,  open  your  camera,  and  film  them.  Then  you  shut  the  camera  off  and  go  back  home,  but  still  the  farmer  and  the  cow  are  there  after  you  leave.  In  fiction,  you  have  this  character  in  front  of  you;  you  open  your  camera  (when  I  say  camera,  I  simply  mean  

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something  to  record,  it  could  be  painting  or  whatever  you  want).  And  once  you  close  your  camera,  the  character  stops  and  they  go  home.  They’re  not  a  character  anymore.    

ART21:  The  theme  of  celebration  runs  through  a  lot  of  your  recent  work.  

HUYGHE:  In  Streamside  Day,  I  was  building  a  celebration.  I  was  even  building  a  source,  a  kind  of  mythology.  Then  people  would  play  in  this  mythology  in  the  form  of  a  day  off,  a  celebration,  once  a  year.    

ART21:  Was  there  something  particular  about  Streamside,  the  town,  that  interested  you  at  the  outset?  

HUYGHE:  This  is  a  town  that  has  no  organicity.  It’s  an  image—an  instant,  pure  image.  Months  ago,  there  was  no  town.  Now,  it’s  a  brand  new  town  with  roads.  In  a  certain  way,  it’s  funny:  You  arrive  in  this  town,  and  you  visit  the  model  home.  It’s  postmodern.  It  has  a  big  poster  saying:  postmodern.  It’s  not  modern,  not  a  cube,  not  a  Corbusier,  not  a  Mies  van  der  Rohe.  It’s  a  traditional,  nice  New  England  house.  It’s  a  dystopia,  in  a  certain  way.  This  is  the  feeling  of  a  community.  This  is  the  image  of  the  past.  This  is  a  fear  of  the  present.  

ART21:  What  do  you  mean  by  “fear  of  the  present”?    

HUYGHE:  In  a  certain  way,  the  reason  for  this  place  is  fear  of  the  present.  This  celebration  is  about  that.  This  celebration  is  about  the  situation  they’re  in.    

ART21:  Where  does  your  interest  in  the  idea  of  celebration  come  from?  

HUYGHE:  Celebration  has  always  interested  me.  I  mean,  for  example,  Halloween.  I  think  Halloween  was  first  an  Irish  celebration,  and  then  it  went  to  the  U.S.  and  became  a  very  big  American  celebration.  And  I  think  ten  years  ago,  in  the  beginning  of  the  ’90s,  we  started  to  have  Halloween  in  France.  Of  course,  there  is  some  economic  reason  behind  it.  But  we  don’t  celebrate  anymore  Halloween  in  France.  We  celebrated  it  for  ten  years.  It  was  an  attempt  to  transplant  a  celebration,  but  it  didn’t  work.  It’s  like  when  you  transplant  an  organ,  and  then  the  body  refuses  it  because  there’s  no  reason  to  accept  it.  

ART21:  What  is  the  relationship  between  the  film  and  the  event?  

HUYGHE:  We  should  not  forget  that  before  this  was  a  film,  it  was  a  celebration.  The  film  came  after.  I  also  invited  some  writers,  and  there  were  some  photographers.  There  was  even  an  architect  who  worked  on  the  possibility  of  a  community  center.  So,  the  film  is  just  one  way  to  grab  this  situation.  

ART21:  How  did  the  idea  evolve?  

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HUYGHE:  When  I  first  saw  this  town,  I  just  went  to  see  all  the  people.  And  then  I  said,  “I’m  going  to  invent  a  celebration  because  it’s  a  brand  new  place.”  Then,  of  course,  we  announced  the  fact  that  the  celebration  would  happen.  And  then  I  organized  the  whole  celebration—from  the  parade  to  the  concert,  to  the  food,  to  the  mayor  giving  a  speech,  to  the  kids  playing—everything.  So,  in  a  certain  way,  it’s  a  script.  It’s  a  recipe,  a  score.  And  this  score  can  be  played  again,  next  year,  at  the  same  time.  

ART21:  It’s  a  very  cyclical  sense  of  time.  

HUYGHE:  At  the  end  of  the  day,  people  go  back  home.  There’s  this  giant  balloon  and  moonlight.  There’s  only  one  light  to  illuminate  the  whole  town.  And  so,  it’s  a  second  moon,  essentially.  For  me,  the  most  important  thing  is  this  idea  that  you  invent  this  town—you  set  up  this  situation,  this  performance—but  then  in  a  loop  of  the  year,  it  will  just  come  back  and  come  back  and  come  back.  That’s  what  interests  me.  To  produce  a  time,  a  duration  that  will  come  back  in  time—of  course,  it’s  an  organic  system,  so  it  stays  or  it  doesn’t,  or  it  modifies  itself—but  that’s,  for  me,  the  most  important  part.