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R. Peralta / R. Samadi - Stellar Seismic Indices data base 1 Stellar Seismic Indices data base (SSI) Raphaël PERALTA Réza Samadi & Eric Michel & Kevin Belkacem

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R. Peralta / R. Samadi - Stellar Seismic Indices data base 1

Stellar Seismic Indices data base (SSI)

Raphaël PERALTARéza Samadi & Eric Michel

& Kevin Belkacem

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Outline

I. Seismic Indices

II.Stellar Seismic Indices data base, what we plan to do ?

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Some definitions

• Seismic indices give global informations about stars oscillations

• Stellar seismic indices : νmax ,Δ ν ,ΔΠ , ...

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Some definitions

νmax

Frequency of the maximum height in the power spectrum

Cut-off frequencyνc

νmax

νc

Mean large separationΔνΔν = ⟨νl , n+1

−νl , n⟩

• Stellar seismic indices : νmax ,Δ ν ,ΔΠ , ...

ΔΠ = ⟨ pl ,n+1−pl ,n⟩

Mean Period spacingΔΠ

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Canonical scaling relations

Seismic scaling law : Relation between global seismic parameters and fundamental stellar parameters

Mass, Radius, log g, ...νmax ,Δ ν ,ΔΠ , ...

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Canonical scaling relations

● Frequency of the maximum height (Brown 1991)

νmax νc cs

2H p

g

√Teff

M

R2√T eff

● Large separation (Ulrich 1986)

Δ ν ⟨ρ⟩1/2 ( M

R3 )

1/2

● Period spacing

ΔΠ ⟨ρ⟩core

−1/2

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Canonical scaling relations

Δν, νmax + Teff M, R

M

M⊙

≃(νmax

νmax ,⊙ )3

( Δ νΔ ν⊙

)−4

( Teff

T eff ,⊙)

3/2

R

R⊙

≃(νmax

νmax ,⊙)( Δ νΔ ν⊙

)−2

( T eff

T eff ,⊙)

1/2

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● For stellar community :

– e.g. constraint on stellar evolution

● For exoplanets community :

– e.g. better estimates of radii and masses

● For galactic community :

– e.g. masses and radii for a large sample of stars (e.g. Miglio et al. 2009)

Benefits

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Outline

I. Seismic Indices

II.Stellar Seismic Indices data base, what we plan to do ?

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Are seismic masses and radii

accurate ?

Scaling relations give us precise determination of M, R

but...

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Are seismic masses and radii

accurate ?

✔ Typical precision : 15 methods of analysis applied by 6 teams on simulated power spectrum (Verner et al. 2011)

● R and M are rather insensitive to uncertainties on ΔTeff

● The precision on νmax the limiting factor

νmax ∼ 5 %

Δν ∼ 1 %

ΔT eff ∼ 100K

Δ M

M∼ 20 %

Δ R

R∼ 8 %}⇒

~ 5%~ 1%

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✔ There are some uncertainties related to the definitions of the seismic parameters

Are seismic masses and radii accurate ?

✔ Can scaling relations be considered as exact relations? (e.g. Belkacem SF2A 2012)

Bedding 2011

Miglio (2012)

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What do we propose ?

● Stellar Seismic Indices (SSI) data base

– νmax, Δν, ∆П...

● « The Seismic plus » portal

– M, R, ...

http://spaceinn.eu/

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What do we need to do ?

● We propose to test and choose one standard method for each seismic parameter

● The « standard » method : a trade off between :

– Automatic

– Robust and fast

– Well documented about algorithm precision and accuracy

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What do we need to do ?

● Example : Autocorrelation method (Roxburgh & Vorontsov 2006 ; Mosser & Appourchaux 2009)HD179079 (LRc09/ID:8111) studied by exoplanet team

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What do we need to do ?

● Example : Autocorrelation method (Roxburgh & Vorontsov 2006 ; Mosser & Appourchaux 2009)HD179079 (LRc09/ID:8111) studied by exoplanet team

● Fourier transform of the filtered power spectrum autocorrelation of the light curve

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What do we need to do ?

FT

● Example : Autocorrelation method (Roxburgh & Vorontsov 2006 ; Mosser & Appourchaux 2009)HD179079 (LRc09/ID:8111) studied by exoplanet team

● Fourier transform of the filtered power spectrum autocorrelation of the light curve

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What do we need to do ?

FT

τ=2

Δ ννmax

● Example : Autocorrelation method (Roxburgh & Vorontsov 2006 ; Mosser & Appourchaux 2009)HD179079 (LRc09/ID:8111) studied by exoplanet team

● Fourier transform of the filtered power spectrum autocorrelation of the light curve

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What do we need to do ?

● Example : Autocorrelation method (Roxburgh & Vorontsov 2006 ; Mosser & Appourchaux 2009)HD179079 (LRc09/ID:8111) studied by exoplanet team

● Results :

Seismic parameters 

Δν = 64.95 ± 0.01 µHz

νmax = 1226.6 ± 32.4 µHz

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What do we need to do ?

● Example : Autocorrelation method (Roxburgh & Vorontsov 2006 ; Mosser & Appourchaux 2009)HD179079 (LRc09/ID:8111) studied by exoplanet team

● Results :

Seismic parameters 

Δν = 64.95 ± 0.01 µHz

νmax = 1226.6 ± 32.4 µHz

Teff = 5684 ± 100 K (Valenti et al. 2009)

Hence :

M☼ = 1.13 ± 0.05 M⊙

R☼ = 1.71 ± 0.09 R⊙

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What do we need to do ?

● Example : Autocorrelation method (Roxburgh & Vorontsov 2006 ; Mosser & Appourchaux 2009)HD179079 (LRc09/ID:8111) studied by exoplanet team

● Results :

Our values Valenti et al. 2009 M☼ = 1.13 ± 0.05 M⊙ M☼ = 1.15 ± 0.03 M⊙

R☼ = 1.71 ± 0.09 R⊙ R☼ = 1.60 ± 0.09 R⊙

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What do we need to do ?

● Refine scaling relations :

– Theoretical work to understand (and reduce) the dispersion of the scaling relations (e.g. White et al. 2011 ; Belkacem 2012 ; ...)

e.g. Study of metallicity influences

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What do we need to do ?

● Refine scaling relations :

– Theoretical work to understand (and reduce) the dispersion of the scaling relations (e.g. White et al. 2011 ; Belkacem 2012 ; ...)

e.g. Study of metallicity influences

● Test and Calibrate the scaling relations :

– Comparing seismic masses and radii with independent measurements (interferometry and astrometry)

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• CoRoT :

– Red Giants + Sub-Giants ~ 20,000

– Main Sequence ~ 10

• Kepler :

– Red Giants + Sub-Giants ~ 20,000

– Main Sequence ~ 500

• OGLE (optical gravitational lensing experiment) :

– Red Giants ~ 20,000

Set of data

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• 2 missions projects which might provide seismics indices :

– PLATO : its objective is to characterize exoplanets and their host stars in the solar neighbourhood

– SINDICS (Seismic INDICes Survey) : propose the 1st seismic all sky survey of our galactic environnement (idea, submited to CNES prospective).

Future set of data

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Thank you