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Why would you think Talon needs sustain? Pick Kha'zix if you
know you will get heavy poke and can't adjust
your playstyle; he gets a heal with W. Zed will never run oom,
so pick him if you can't handle going back to
base or getting a blue buff. If you want a longsword start with
Talon, should you run back for an enchanted
flask early on you will really be set until lategame where mana
isn't an issue.
If you are taking Talon top, slap some lifesteal runes on him
and grab a Dorans blade or shield. Same as
Riven, if you are no good with that champ then you may have
(deserve?) a bad laning due to ranged
champs/poor sustain.
Also, as Talon. Just Q at lvl 18 does "106+200+230% bonus AD".
Just using this to reset your AA, every
time you start attacking someone, in ~.6 seconds you have just
done "2 AA+modifier damage" =
212+200+330% bonus AD. Stop right there for a second, ask
yourself, "WTF? Why is this allowed!?"
because you hopefully realized something. What you should be
realizing is that Talon brings more to the
table than just Zed's single target removal ult and
shadow-jukes. As for Kha'zix....what recommends this guy
to you? His strong early, safe laning period, and good damage?
Sure those are nice but he is just not as
useful as Talon and Zed. He has a single CC, for 20% slow, a
high cooldown on his jump if he doesn't help
kill someone, and a higher cooldown on his ult than Talon, even
though he gets only 1 sec invis+movespeed
at a time. Not impressed that his ult does the same damage he
gets when he just touches a bush, either.
Just looking at his ratios says Talon outdamages him in a combo,
unless the guy is missing so much hp that
it doesn't even matter (I have done the math before though).
If you want to be all about when you ult, go play Sona or Janna
support. If you want to have an ult that
removes one person, go play Syndra, at least she brings a
spammable aoe stun to your team along with her
slow+nuke.
Zed lvl 18 without his ult: two shurikens does 353+150% bonus
AD, E is 180+80% bonus AD and autoattackwill add an extra "110+100%
bonus ad" to his burst damage in ~1.5s. Max cdr and Q every 3.6
seconds, E
every 2.4, but he loses his shadow after 4 right? Lets say Zed
has 125% of Talon's 300 bonus AD, so375. Single combo damage on a
target with Zed's same lvl 18 hp, 1885: 353+375(1.5) +
180+375(.8)+
110+375+189 = 2070 damage. Very good damage, and you "only" need
to be attacking someone with 4445hp to deal the same damage in that
combo as Talon can. Wait whoops nevermind you didnt bring themdown
to half hp.
Talon lvl 18 no ult, I prefer this order for a combo in ~1s:
E-W-AA-Q, see the ratios above the comments on
this page. Talon single combo damage on a target with any hp,
ignoring his passive:
1.15(212+200+300(3.3) + 260+300(1.2)) = 2325 damage, with enough
mana+cdr you can do this every 6
seconds, but at the same time nuking the poor sap for 796 hp
every 2.4s. Guess what? Assuming both
champs have equal lifesteal; Talon is getting a LOT more health
back with his Q than Zed overall. Also,
consider the fact that Zed needs to get close to hit ppl with
shadow, which makes it not work to use yourshadow to gapclose most
of the time. Zed doesn't have a silence, so there's no way hes
going to ultsomeone with Zhonyas in a teamfight. Assume your team's
Kennen or something has been hurting theother team a lot. The
people who can't buy Zhonyas can pick up a Mercurial Scimitar, and
suddenly all yourult's amazing burst from the death mark is gone
when they use that item.
You could argue that Talon has no escape if he uses his ult to
deal as much damage as possible. This istrue. I would then say that
Zed has no escape if he does the same thing. Why use two shadows
when youcould use three, and burst that tank who you say Talon
couldn't burst? Because you have no escape.Therefore Zed's escape
is about as viable as Talon's, if not less so because of the amount
you depend on itto deal damage. YES IT IS RELEVENT FOR AN ASSASSIN
TO HAVE AOE DAMAGE. Apologies for yelling.
Anyhow, this is a team game, and the "ideal assassin" for a team
game is one that, at the same time he is
annilating the Big Bad Bruiser or some other bundle of sticks,
he obviously does a good amount of damage
to everyone, forcing them to play defensive or go back to base.
Talon can often pull this off because he has
more damage that is in his aoe, and his is so wide he can often
get the whole team with it. Whether or not
you wanted to address aoe damage in your comment is irrelevent;
if you choose to ignore it when
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comparing them then you are missing out in something considered
by Riot for buffs and nerfs.
Tl;DR--Zed is a one trick pony with less viability than Talon,
cannot do as much damage as Talon even with
his bonus ad if we compare them without ults. Kha'Zix doesn't do
as much damage, especially with ults,
doesn't help his team with strong slows or a silence. Talon is a
good balanced pick at the moment, with
much of his balance being in his difficult laning phase (which
you can work around). Anyone in this list gives
up damage if they use an escape. Any buffs to Talon would be
great, but they would need to be really easy
to counterplay for him to not become OP. Addressing something
you said, Talon can escape with ulti more
than every minute. With full CDR he can do so every 33s; which
should be more than enough. If you know
how to find it, look on lolking: aside from the free week, Talon
consistently has a winrate above 50%,
especially in ranked, whereas Zed and Kha are both consistently
the opposite, its hard to even find a day
where they are up to 50%.
