Soar with Science Hamilton-Burlington Chapter PEO

Soar with ScienceHamilton-Burlington Chapter PEO



Passport to P. Eng.

Welcome to . . .


Passport to P. Eng.Passport to P. Eng.

For Engineers For Engineers on their Pathon their Path to the Professionto the Profession

(Canadian and Internationally Trained, including E.I.T.s) (Canadian and Internationally Trained, including E.I.T.s)


Hosted by the Hamilton-Burlington Chapter Hosted by the Hamilton-Burlington Chapter Professional Engineers OntarioProfessional Engineers Ontario

Burlington Art CentreBurlington Art Centre1333 Lakeshore Road, Burlington1333 Lakeshore Road, Burlington

Thursday, May 27, 2010Thursday, May 27, 20105:30 P.M. to 8:00 P.M.5:30 P.M. to 8:00 P.M.

The Hamilton-Burlington Chapter is presenting its fourth informal The Hamilton-Burlington Chapter is presenting its fourth informal evening as part of its initiative to ease the task of engineers, evening as part of its initiative to ease the task of engineers, particularly internationally trained engineers, wishing to obtain a particularly internationally trained engineers, wishing to obtain a licence to practice in Ontario. Prospective Professional Engineers are licence to practice in Ontario. Prospective Professional Engineers are welcome to attend. Attendees should be graduates of an Engineering welcome to attend. Attendees should be graduates of an Engineering discipline from a university or equivalent. discipline from a university or equivalent. The program includes Membership Requirements Overview, The program includes Membership Requirements Overview, Perspectives from Canadian and Internationally Trained Engineers & Perspectives from Canadian and Internationally Trained Engineers & EITs, Resources, Common & Specific Questions, and Round Table EITs, Resources, Common & Specific Questions, and Round Table discussions with our Chapter Membersdiscussions with our Chapter Members. .


Passport to P. Eng. – Agenda

6:00 – 7:00 Welcome and Introductions Membership Requirements Overview Canadian Trained PerspectiveInternationally Trained Perspective EIT PerspectiveMentorshipPath to P. Eng

7:00 – 7:45 Round Table Discussions - Mentorship [Table 1] - Experience Requirements [Table 2] - Professional Practice Exam [Table 3] - Internationally Trained Engineers [Table 4]

7:45 – 8:00 Summary & Closing Remarks


Welcome and Introductions

Hamilton-Burlington ChapterHamilton-Burlington Chapter

Board and Executive membersBoard and Executive members

Your hosts are:Your hosts are:Raj Jain, P. Eng.Raj Jain, P. Eng.

Bob Loree, P. Eng.Bob Loree, P. Eng.

Web site

Contacts







Membership Requirements - Overview

Overview of the Overview of the process for licensing:process for licensing:

1. Follow the steps, outlines, guidelines1. Follow the steps, outlines, guidelines2. Get a coach, advocate, mentor2. Get a coach, advocate, mentor3. 3. KEEP RECORDS WITH KEEP RECORDS WITH

NOTES, NAMES, DATESNOTES, NAMES, DATES4. Talk with friends4. Talk with friends5. Establish a network for support 5. Establish a network for support


Membership Requirements - Canada

Engineers CanadaEngineers Canadais the national organization of the 12 is the national organization of the 12 provincial and territorial associations that provincial and territorial associations that regulate the practice of engineering in regulate the practice of engineering in Canada and license the country's more than Canada and license the country's more than 160,000 professional engineers.160,000 professional engineers.

Canada


Membership Requirements - Ontario

PEO: Role & FunctionPEO: Role & Function- a self-regulating body for Professional - a self-regulating body for Professional EngineersEngineers- to regulate and set standards- to regulate and set standards- for the province of Ontariofor the province of Ontario-To serve and protect the public interestTo serve and protect the public interest [ Public safety and welfare ] [ Public safety and welfare ] - through Admissions (the right to practice), through Admissions (the right to practice), Discipline and Enforcement Discipline and Enforcement

PEO


Membership Requirements - Definition

Practice of Professional EngineeringPractice of Professional Engineering

Any act of designing, composing, evaluating, Any act of designing, composing, evaluating, advising, reporting, directing or supervising;advising, reporting, directing or supervising;wherein the safeguarding of life, health, wherein the safeguarding of life, health, property or the public welfare is concerned; property or the public welfare is concerned; that requires the application of engineering that requires the application of engineering principles (does not include practicing as a principles (does not include practicing as a natural scientist). natural scientist).


Membership Requirements - Licensing

Licensing RequirementsLicensing Requirements

• • Acceptable engineering educationAcceptable engineering education

•Professional Practice ExaminationProfessional Practice Examination

•Good characterGood character

•ReferencesReferences

•48 months engineering experience48 months engineering experience

•12 months of acceptable engineering 12 months of acceptable engineering experience in Canadaexperience in Canada

Requirements


Membership Requirements - Steps

Licensing StepsLicensing Steps Process


Membership Requirements - note

In order to submit an application form and In order to submit an application form and begin the licensing process you only need to begin the licensing process you only need to meet PEO’s minimum education meet PEO’s minimum education requirements.requirements.

All other licensing requirements can be met All other licensing requirements can be met after you submit an application after you submit an application


Membership Requirements – Application Attachments

AttachmentsAttachments((Section 11 – then pages 4 & 9)Section 11 – then pages 4 & 9)

Transcripts & DiplomasTranscripts & DiplomasCourse descriptionsCourse descriptions

Record of landing or Canadian CitizenshipRecord of landing or Canadian Citizenship

Engineering Experience summary (see Guide)Engineering Experience summary (see Guide)

Forms


Membership Requirements - Education

Education RequirementsEducation Requirements

CEAB graduatesCEAB graduatesNo technical examinations – only PPENo technical examinations – only PPE

Non- CEAB Engineering programsNon- CEAB Engineering programsConfirmatory Examination Program + PPEConfirmatory Examination Program + PPE

Other educationOther educationSpecific Examination Program + PPESpecific Examination Program + PPE

Education

CEAB

CEAB - PEO


Membership Requirements

If you do not have an undergraduate degree If you do not have an undergraduate degree in engineering from a program accredited in engineering from a program accredited by the CEAB, your academic background by the CEAB, your academic background will be assessed by PEO to determine will be assessed by PEO to determine whether it is equivalent to the established whether it is equivalent to the established standards. standards.

Education


Membership Requirements - Education

PEO will assign technical exams to give you PEO will assign technical exams to give you an opportunityan opportunity

to confirm that your academic preparation is to confirm that your academic preparation is equivalentequivalent((Confirmatory Examination Program) Confirmatory Examination Program)

oror to remedy any identified deficienciesto remedy any identified deficiencies ((Specific Examination Program)Specific Examination Program)

Education

Technical


Membership Requirements – Education notes

Applicants should be comfortable and Applicants should be comfortable and confident with the application and process.confident with the application and process.

1. Spend time on the PEO web site 1. Spend time on the PEO web site examining their documents to determine examining their documents to determine exactly what is required of youexactly what is required of you



2. Be proactive with respect to academic and 2. Be proactive with respect to academic and experience requirements:experience requirements:

(a) carefully document all components (a) carefully document all components yourselfyourself

(b) avoid simply turning over your files & (b) avoid simply turning over your files & allowing someone else to decide what you allowing someone else to decide what you learned and experiencedlearned and experienced



3. If your Academic Requirements are not 3. If your Academic Requirements are not “CEAB approved”“CEAB approved”

(a) demonstrate that you have satisfied the (a) demonstrate that you have satisfied the academic requirementsacademic requirements

(b) compare with an accredited Canadian (b) compare with an accredited Canadian program similar to yours - course by course, program similar to yours - course by course, topic by topictopic by topic



(c) note everything you completed plus any (c) note everything you completed plus any additional work, courses, projects with additional work, courses, projects with respect to CEABrespect to CEAB

(d) note equivalency and extras in your (d) note equivalency and extras in your courses and programscourses and programs

(e) put in a table if possible – make it easy (e) put in a table if possible – make it easy for someone to evaluate your programfor someone to evaluate your program



4. Your goal is to avoid extra exams in 4. Your goal is to avoid extra exams in topics and courses you have successfully topics and courses you have successfully completed completed


Membership Requirements - PPE

Professional Practice Exam (PPE)Professional Practice Exam (PPE) A 3-hour, closed-book exam on ethics, A 3-hour, closed-book exam on ethics, professional practice, engineering law and professional practice, engineering law and liability, written after Education liability, written after Education Requirements are met.Requirements are met.Applicants may seek additional resources on Applicants may seek additional resources on the internet using their preferred search the internet using their preferred search engine using:engine using: professional practice exam professional practice exam PEO PPE PEO PPE

PPE


Membership Requirements - Experience

Experience RequirementsExperience Requirements

The The 5 Required Elements are:5 Required Elements are:

Application of theory Application of theory Practical experiencePractical experienceManagement of engineeringManagement of engineeringCommunication skillsCommunication skillsSocial implications of engineeringSocial implications of engineering

Guide


Membership Requirements - Experience

Pre-Graduation Experience

Pre-Grad


Membership Requirements – Experience notes

Experience Records should:1. Detail your engineering work2. Describe your projects and roles you played3. Indicate the nature of the problems solved, the designs performed, factors considered4. Specifically identify the engineering you did5. Use ‘first person’ … “I” instead of “we” and “I calculated” instead of “It was calculated”6. Use ‘action’ verbs . . . such as “designed”, “analyzed”, “presented”, “controlled”



Experience Records – at any stage of your career - should be totally prepared . . .

Don't leave anything to PEO that you can do yourself - have it all covered

You want their responses to be 'yes' or 'maybe' ..... not 'no'



Talk with your employer, supervisor, manager, colleagues, associates on a regular basis

Document all of your work with special attention to your roles & contributions



Carefully check the 5 required elements and your work related to them regularly – at least every 3 months

Create a summary of everything you have done in these 5 areas – and discuss with a supervisory P. Eng. and have him/her sign it

Application of theoryPractical experienceManagement of engineeringCommunication skillsSocial implications of engineering



Note dates, names, places, projects, details, evaluations, etc.

Ask your P. Eng. supervisor for letters of reference (write the outline yourself noting your strengths and accomplishments) on a regular basis – these could coincide with reviews, evaluations and other work determined events (e.g. the successful completion of a team or individual project)

Experience


Membership Requirements - notes

Develop your own set of Experience records- using the Experience Guide- using the EIT checklist- using samples as guidelines such as those on the “Path2PEng” web site created by Bob Loree in 2008 for the Hamilton-Burlington Chapter, SISO and others

checklist

Path2PEng

Experience


Membership Requirements - notes

Some additional considerations are:Some additional considerations are:

1. Other Licences 1. Other Licences 2. Exam Waiving Options (Academic 2. Exam Waiving Options (Academic Requirements Committee) (ARC)Requirements Committee) (ARC)

3. Interviews Experience Requirements 3. Interviews Experience Requirements Committee) (ERC)Committee) (ERC)

4. Experience - Master’s or PhD degrees4. Experience - Master’s or PhD degrees

5. Experience - Applied Research 5. Experience - Applied Research

ERC

Licences







Canadian Trained Perspective

Graduate from accredited programs.Graduate from accredited programs.

Usually with key ‘engineering’ courses Usually with key ‘engineering’ courses taught by professional engineers.taught by professional engineers.

Usually with a full course, or equivalent, Usually with a full course, or equivalent, in Engineering Ethics and/or Engineers in Engineering Ethics and/or Engineers in Societyin Society



Likely have some workplace experiences Likely have some workplace experiences in work terms, co-op placements or in work terms, co-op placements or InternshipsInternships

Probably have developed a network of Probably have developed a network of contacts for employmentcontacts for employment

Should have a realistic view of the Should have a realistic view of the profession and its related opportunities profession and its related opportunities



A relatively small number choose to A relatively small number choose to apply for a licence – the Iron Ring seems apply for a licence – the Iron Ring seems to be fairly satisfying and sufficientto be fairly satisfying and sufficient

Usually have an education debt to pay, Usually have an education debt to pay, want value for their dollar and will wait to want value for their dollar and will wait to see if a licence is ‘worth it’see if a licence is ‘worth it’



Many have additional career options – Many have additional career options – related to the diverse choices of degree related to the diverse choices of degree programs … such as Bio Engineering, programs … such as Bio Engineering, Management, Society, minor programsManagement, Society, minor programs

Many combine their engineering Many combine their engineering knowledge and skills with other interests knowledge and skills with other interests such as music, writing, sports, business, such as music, writing, sports, business, recreation, family businesses, recreation, family businesses, entrepreneurial endeavoursentrepreneurial endeavours



They are willing to take their time and They are willing to take their time and also, generally apathetic toward licensingalso, generally apathetic toward licensing







Internationally Trained Perspective

Engineers come to Canada from around Engineers come to Canada from around the world.the world.

Three common experiences are:Three common experiences are:1 – finding a place to live1 – finding a place to live2 – finding an Engineering job2 – finding an Engineering job3 – finding assistance with everyday life3 – finding assistance with everyday life



Three common issues are:Three common issues are:

1 – licensing process1 – licensing process2 – academic records2 – academic records3 – experience records3 – experience records



Suggestions for your Path to P. Eng. are:Suggestions for your Path to P. Eng. are:

1 – how/where to look for employment1 – how/where to look for employment2 – resumes/cover letters2 – resumes/cover letters3 – education opportunities3 – education opportunities4 – market trends, developing contacts4 – market trends, developing contacts5 – volunteer, network, business card5 – volunteer, network, business card6 – organizations, events 6 – organizations, events



Provisional LicenceProvisional Licence

Concern: No Canadian experienceConcern: No Canadian experience

Could be issued if all licensing Could be issued if all licensing requirements were met except the 12 requirements were met except the 12 months of acceptable engineering months of acceptable engineering experience in Canada under the experience in Canada under the supervision of a licensed professional supervision of a licensed professional engineer engineer



Special features that might help in your Special features that might help in your career:career:

- your primary languageyour primary language- foreign design code / standardforeign design code / standard- experience different culturesexperience different cultures- global knowledgeglobal knowledge- having lived in various countrieshaving lived in various countries- being flexible, adaptable being flexible, adaptable



Familiarize with:Familiarize with:

- Engineers Canada and Professional Engineers Canada and Professional engineering associations of other engineering associations of other Canadian provinces / territoriesCanadian provinces / territories- PEO Guideline on Human RightsPEO Guideline on Human Rights- Canadian Charter of Rights and Canadian Charter of Rights and FreedomsFreedoms- Employment Standards ActEmployment Standards Act







EIT Perspective

1. The EIT program endeavours to help 1. The EIT program endeavours to help candidates ensure that they are obtaining candidates ensure that they are obtaining acceptable experienceacceptable experience2. The EIT program does not place people in 2. The EIT program does not place people in work situationswork situations3. Engineering Interns have the opportunity 3. Engineering Interns have the opportunity to participate in Chapter activitiesto participate in Chapter activities4. You don't have to enrol in the EIT 4. You don't have to enrol in the EIT program on your Path to P. Eng. program on your Path to P. Eng.


EIT Perspective

If you are a non-CEAB graduate there If you are a non-CEAB graduate there are conditions: are conditions:

A) enrol after assigned CEPA) enrol after assigned CEP CEP = Confirmatory Exam ProgramCEP = Confirmatory Exam Programor or

B) enrol after completed SEP B) enrol after completed SEP SEP = Specific Exam ProgramSEP = Specific Exam Program


EIT Perspective

Benefits (from the PEO web site):Benefits (from the PEO web site): 1. Provides you with an annual review of your 1. Provides you with an annual review of your engineering experienceengineering experience2. Demonstrates to employers that you are 2. Demonstrates to employers that you are serious about being licensed as a Professional serious about being licensed as a Professional EngineerEngineer3. Entitles you to receive the Association's 3. Entitles you to receive the Association's official publications - Engineering Dimensionsofficial publications - Engineering Dimensions 4. Allows you to join a chapter and attend 4. Allows you to join a chapter and attend chapter meetings chapter meetings


EIT Perspective

Disadvantages:Disadvantages:

Check value for extra EIT fees – may Check value for extra EIT fees – may vary with your backgroundvary with your background

May have a time limit imposed to write May have a time limit imposed to write the PPE examthe PPE exam







Mentorship - What is it?

Mentoring is an effective way of Mentoring is an effective way of providing Engineers with guidance and providing Engineers with guidance and advice to pursue their professional advice to pursue their professional engineering licence and to access engineering licence and to access information, resources and professional information, resources and professional networks within their sectors while networks within their sectors while providing managers, supervisors and providing managers, supervisors and organizations with an opportunity to organizations with an opportunity to explore recruitment opportunities and explore recruitment opportunities and meet their staffing needs. meet their staffing needs.


Mentorship - Why have a Mentoring Program?

1. Assist Engineers to obtain their P. 1. Assist Engineers to obtain their P. Eng. licence Eng. licence 2. Workplace culture – the art of getting 2. Workplace culture – the art of getting things done varies by country things done varies by country 3. Networks & Social Capital – access to 3. Networks & Social Capital – access to employment is highly dependent upon employment is highly dependent upon personal and professional networks personal and professional networks 4. Information: understanding how skills, 4. Information: understanding how skills, experience and education relate to the experience and education relate to the workplace workplace


Mentorship – Program Objectives

1. Increase number of licensed Engineers 1. Increase number of licensed Engineers 2. Increase employment prospects by 2. Increase employment prospects by matching skilled Engineers with matching skilled Engineers with counterparts counterparts 3. Building social capital through links and 3. Building social capital through links and relationships created by Mentoring relationships created by Mentoring 4. Increase access of trained individuals to 4. Increase access of trained individuals to value added services value added services 5. Change the way companies and 5. Change the way companies and employers relate to skilled immigrants employers relate to skilled immigrants


Mentorship – Who are the Mentees?

Mentees are trained Engineers, legally entitled to Mentees are trained Engineers, legally entitled to work in Canada, and who:work in Canada, and who:1. Are currently pursuing licensure with PEO1. Are currently pursuing licensure with PEO2. Are job ready: high degree of functionality in 2. Are job ready: high degree of functionality in English; education credentials assessed; have a English; education credentials assessed; have a job-ready resume; are well prepared to function job-ready resume; are well prepared to function within the workplacewithin the workplace3. Do not have prior exposure to a Canadian work 3. Do not have prior exposure to a Canadian work setting in their fieldsetting in their field4. Lack access to professional networks4. Lack access to professional networks5. Are highly motivated and open to learning 5. Are highly motivated and open to learning opportunitiesopportunities


Mentorship – Who are the Mentors?

1. People who have a combination of knowledge 1. People who have a combination of knowledge and business experience to bring wisdom as a and business experience to bring wisdom as a guide/coach to a learning processguide/coach to a learning process2. Share information on PEO Licensing process2. Share information on PEO Licensing process3. Share insights related to Canadian workplace 3. Share insights related to Canadian workplace values & culturevalues & culture4. Provide access to professional networks4. Provide access to professional networks5. Provide coaching for interviews and meetings5. Provide coaching for interviews and meetings6. Share information on current workplace & 6. Share information on current workplace & industry trends industry trends







Path to P. Eng.

The Hamilton-Burlington ChapterThe Hamilton-Burlington Chapterprovides opportunities for people on their provides opportunities for people on their path to the professionpath to the profession

Check our web site and our brochureCheck our web site and our brochure

We offer programs and assistance to We offer programs and assistance to students, EITs as well as graduated students, EITs as well as graduated engineers.engineers.


Path to P. Eng. – Resources & Information

Examples are:Examples are:- Soar with Science presentations to - Soar with Science presentations to elementary and high school-age studentselementary and high school-age students- Halton Engineering Challenge for grade 8 - Halton Engineering Challenge for grade 8 studentsstudents- Awards at local Science/Engineering Fairs- Awards at local Science/Engineering Fairs- Inclusion of local university students - Inclusion of local university students - Industry, Interest & Social Tours and - Industry, Interest & Social Tours and EventsEvents- Professional Development opportunitiesProfessional Development opportunities- Passport to P Eng eveningsPassport to P Eng evenings


Path to P. Eng. – COMMON QUESTIONS

I'm a qualified foreign engineer but I am I'm a qualified foreign engineer but I am working as a [technician, technologist, working as a [technician, technologist, draftsperson]. What should I do?draftsperson]. What should I do?

How do I get that first job to get on the How do I get that first job to get on the P. Eng track? P. Eng track?


Path to P. Eng. – COMMON QUESTIONS

How do I get a P. Eng mentor/supervisor How do I get a P. Eng mentor/supervisor when my employer doesn’t have one?when my employer doesn’t have one?

What can I do to improve my English for What can I do to improve my English for interviews and employment?interviews and employment?


Path to P. Eng. – SPECIFIC QUESTIONS

I am a graduate Engineer from another country, I am a graduate Engineer from another country, and a recent Permanent Resident to Canada. and a recent Permanent Resident to Canada. World Education Services (WES) has equated World Education Services (WES) has equated my degree to a 4-year Bachelors Degree in my degree to a 4-year Bachelors Degree in Canada. I have over 10 years experience in my Canada. I have over 10 years experience in my field, and now working locally as an Equipment field, and now working locally as an Equipment Reliability Coordinator. Reliability Coordinator. 1. What will be my obstacles in obtaining my 1. What will be my obstacles in obtaining my Professional license in Ontario?Professional license in Ontario?2. What duration will the process take?2. What duration will the process take?







Round Table Discussions

Ask questions and share your experiences and knowledge at these tables.

Mentorship [Table 1]

Experience Requirements [Table 2]

Professional Practice Exam [Table 3]

Internationally Trained Engineers [Table 4]







Summary & Closing Remarks

Raj Jain, P. Eng.

Bob Loree, P. Eng.


Passport to P. Eng.

Documents

Soar with Science Hamilton-Burlington Chapter PEO