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    Those who follow the trials of Mr Francis James Colosimo are well aware how the judiciallyofficers disregard the RULE OF LAW and hence I am using the public arena such as the Internetas an alternative.

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    Personally I saw no use in the hunger strike of Peter Spencer as his cause was really not known andso it was lost in his protest.

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    It appeared to me that Kevin Rudd PM also did not appear the least worried if Peter Spencer mightdie in the protest as after all he was not some so called refugee pirating an Australian ship, if youunderstand what I am on about.

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    It should be understood it makes not one of iota difference which political party is in power becausein the end they will do the same. The only way is to have a weapon of choice that so to say will

    blow them all of their socks and that is using the constitution and voting power. Demand candidates

    in elections to make a sworn statement to adhere to certain conditions as provided for in theconstitution and failing to do so you will not vote for them.

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    We only will need to do it once to place both major political parties last and neither one of them getinto power and they will learn a lesson they will never forget, one hopes.

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    As for Peter Spencer, knowing how rotten the legal system operates he might just have toreconsider to use a different tactic so as to instead of that he challenge the State it has to take him

    on. Again, not knowing what his case really is about I cannot indicate what is the best way to goabout. It also underlines how badly his campaign really went in regard of publicity.

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    Perhaps an issue is to consider if s.51(xxxi) itself is valid in law.

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    (xxxi) the acquisition of property on just terms from any State orperson for any purpose in respect of which the Parliament haspower to make laws;

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    Can it be held that the Framers of the Constitution albeit entitled to and indeed instructed to Framea Constitution for the federation had no powers to interfere with FEE SIMPLE rights as this is a

    prerogative grand by the Crown and not subject to legislation other then the registration of theownership of the land under FEE SIMPLE?

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    Hansard 25-1-1898 Constitution Convention Debates

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    .Hansard 8-2-1898 Constitution Convention Debates

    QUOTE Mr. BARTON.-Under a Constitution like this, the withholding of a power from the

    Commonwealth is a prohibition against the exercise of such a power.

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    .And I could go on and on about these matters but it should be obviously clear that land ownership

    by FEE SIMPLY has a special rights not associated with other landholders rights and as such tohold that any Government nilly willy can kick of a landholder who has FEE SIMPLE might be theerror most people are making and is insufficiently argued.

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    Why indeed argue about your rights as landholder with FEE SIMPLE that you can utilise the landas you deem fit and proper if the government can merely kick you of and all your rights evaporates.

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    The issue therefore is if the constitution in the first place was validly enacted to allow for theCommonwealth and/or the States (as it was State powers until the Commonwealth legislated on thesubject) or in the end FEE SIMPLE cannot be interfered with after all as the grand of the Crown ofFEE SIMPLE stands above any legislative powers.

    See also terms of FEE SIMPLE; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fee_simple

    The delegates of the Constitution Convention Debates were instructed to create a constitution bytransferring such powers of the colonies (now states) to the new federation that were deemed to berequired for this. FEE SIMPLE ownership was not a legislative power as such for purpose offederation and the Framers of the Constitution themselves made known that property used by theCommonwealth but not transferred by the State as to become sovereign ownership of theCommonwealth would retain State legislative powers for so far it didnt interfere with thelegislative powers of the Commonwealth for the purpose the property was acquired for.

    Meaning that the Commonwealth only can acquire property for the legislative powers it has and notfor any other purpose. The purchase of land for water purposes was beyond its constitutional

    powers!

    Also, where the commonwealth did not obtain ownership of the land then it was merely a tenant ofthe property.

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    When John Howard as Prime Minister contemplated to sell Point Nepean for $500 million dollars toprivate enterprise I made him aware that selling the land to private enterprise would mean that thecommonwealth still would retain to be the sovereign of the land and would have to govern Point

    Nepean as a territory, and it therefore needed to sell it back or hand it back to State jurisdiction toget rid of it all together. Upon this correspondence John Howard then cancelled any proposed sale!

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    Actually the same applies to the old Telstra land, that unless it was first handed back to the States itstill remains Commonwealth territory and no council rates or State taxes can be applied.

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    Anyhow, I view that to consider what is applicable you need to first consider the constitutionalstructure and what is or isnt applicable and then and only then look at the case of peter Spencer andfor that matter anyone else so that when you do pursue litigation you are not so to say left to handout dry but have a real issue to canvas.

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    QUOTE HANSARD 25-1-1898 Constitution Convention Debates (Official Record of theDebates of the National Australasian Convention)

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    Mr. BARTON (New South Wales).-I had it in my mind to suggest a new sub-section to followsub-section (31), and to be called sub-section (31A). Honorable members will notice that clause 86

    provides that all lands and other property used in connexion with any department of the publicservice, the control of which is taken over by the Commonwealth, is to vest in the Commonwealth.But that is only in respect of those departments which are taken over, and it is only at the time oftaking over. Further needs are not provided for in any way.

    Mr. ISAACS.-Of these departments?

    Mr. BARTON.-No, of the Commonwealth. The Commonwealth has no power under theConstitution except as conferred by that clause.

    Mr. ISAACS.-Will not sub-section (37) of clause 52 cover it?

    Mr. BARTON.-We thought of that. The question is whether it is sufficiently clear that thatprovision would give the Commonwealth power to legislate for the resumption of lands.

    Sir GEORGE TURNER.-There is another clause relating to the acquisition of any part of theterritory of a state.

    Mr. BARTON.-There is clause 53. Then there is clause 105, which gives the Parliament of astate power to surrender any part of the state to the Commonwealth. There is no express provisionin the Constitution for the acquisition by the Commonwealth of any property the acquisition of

    which might become necessary. It has been suggested to me that subsection (37) of clause 52 mightgive a sufficient power of legislation for that purpose, but there is a doubt on the subject. I wouldsuggest that the following new sub-section be inserted after subsection (31):-

    The acquisition of property on just terms from any state or person for the purposes of theCommonwealth.

    I would like to hear the views of honorable members as to whether they think sub-section (37) issufficiently comprehensive.

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    The CHAIRMAN.-Does the honorable member move the new sub-section? There must besomething before the Chair.

    Mr. BARTON.-I will move itpro forma. I can withdraw it afterwards if discussion shows that itshould be withdrawn.

    Dr. QUICK (Victoria).-I was about to draw attention to the matter to which the leader of theConvention has referred. In the Constitutions of Canada, Switzerland, and the United States express

    power is given for the acquisition by the Federal Government of lands for public purposes. It hasbeen suggested that the general power given would cover this, but I do not think that that is so. Atany rate, in the United States Constitution there is a provision that the Congress shall have power toexercise authority over all places purchased by the consent of the Legislature of the state in whichthe same shall be for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful

    business. Under the Constitution of Switzerland, on payment of a reasonable indemnity, theConfederation has the right to use or acquire drill grounds and buildings intended for military

    purposes within the Cantons, together with the appurtenances thereof. It is so also in Germany,where the Constitution says that the right to construct fortresses within the territory of the empireshall belong to the Emperor, who shall ask for the appropriation of the means required for that

    purpose, if not already included in the regular appropriation. In Canada, the Constitution provides:-

    The several provinces shall retain all their respective public property not otherwise disposed of inthis Act, subject to the right of Canada to resume any lands or public property required forfortifications or for the defence of the country.

    In these Constitutions there is a general section giving express powers for the acquisition ofproperty which may be [start page 152] required for the purposes of the Commonwealth. In thisBill there is only a power to take over existing buildings.

    Mr. BARTON.-And property at present in use.

    Dr. QUICK.-Yes. There is no power to acquire the land of any state, say, for the purposes of a

    federal court-house or a federal custom-house.

    Mr. ISAACS.-If that is necessary, for the purpose of the Federal Judicature it is all included insub-section (37).

    Dr. QUICK.-It is very doubtful whether, a general provision of that kind would give this expresspower. Then there is no machinery in that clause for determining the mode in which theCommonwealth is to acquire the land of a state.

    Mr. BARTON.-Clause 53 does not give a power for the acquisition of land. It simply sets outthat authority shall be exercised over it when it is acquired.

    Dr. QUICK.-The Commonwealth would be crippled in its future operations if express powerwere not given in the manner suggested.

    Mr. GLYNN. (South Australia).-I think that the new sub-section should be inserted. I hadintended moving a similar amendment in connexion with clause 53. Under sub-section (2) of thatclause, the exclusive power is limited to any territory acquired by surrender from the states, but no

    power is directly given to acquire territory, or, having acquired it, to exercise exclusive jurisdictionover it. According to the American decisions, subsection (37) of clause 52 would not cover what isrequired. In Sheppard's Constitutional Text Bookreference is made to a provision in the AmericanConstitution similar, to sub-section (37), and it is stated-

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    This clause does not in terms grant any new power or enlarge or diminish any of the powerselsewhere granted. It simply authorizes Congress to make use of such particular means as may benecessary or proper in order to execute the general powers conferred by the Constitution upon theFederal Government or any department or officer thereof.

    There being no power given to acquire territory, clause 53 would not cover the ground that issought to be covered by the proposed new sub-section.

    Sir GEORGE TURNER(Victoria).-I am not at all satisfied that it would be advisable to insertthis new sub-section. It comes on us somewhat as a surprise, and I would like to have further timeto consider the effect of it. It might enable the Commonwealth to run the states into enormousexpenditure. The leader of the Convention will see that whatever property has to be acquired will

    probably be acquired out of states money. The states have to collect a certain amount of Customs-atleast the Commonwealth will collect a certain amount of Customs, and the surplus will be handedover to the states. If we increase these powers of purchasing property we may enable theCommonwealth to incur enormous expenditures. I think it is shown by some notes I have withregard to Canada and other places that that has really been the result of a power of this kind. If itwere so here the states Treasuries would be the sufferers.

    Mr. OCONNOR.-Their functions are much more extended.

    Sir GEORGE TURNER.-I know that, but still the honorable member will recognise thatwhere there is a power, the body having that power would probably extend it to its utmost

    limit. If they go a little further than we intended, or a little beyond that strict reading of the

    Act, how are we to stop them?

    Mr. BARTON.-One answer to that is that if you give this power to acquire landed property onjust terms, you would have the compensation regulated by the provisions of an Act which wouldprobably involve arbitration or the verdict of a jury. If, on the other hand, you allowed theacquisition to be carried out by contract, as it would have to be without a clause of this kind, itwould be more expensive, and would entail a greater diminution of the surplus returned to the state.

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    Sir GEORGE TURNER.-I should object to the use of the words just terms" on the groundthat they are not proper words to put into the Constitution. We assume that the Federal

    Parliament will act strictly on the lines of justice. But what I desire to say is that this has come

    upon us a surprise. We did not know that this amendment was to be moved, and we have had

    no opportunity of considering its effect. The object of the leader of the Convention may be a

    good one, but I would urge upon him to allow the matter to remain in abeyance If he would

    intimate that he would either recommit the clause or deal with it on the report, and he would

    in the meantime circulate the amendment he would give us an opportunity of making

    inquiries and ascertaining what the probable effect of the amendment would be. We mightthen be able to meet his views. I would urge him not to press the new sub-section at the

    present time, because that would be rather unfair to us, seeing that we have not had an

    opportunity of considering it.

    Mr. I.A. ISAACS (Victoria).-I would join with Sir George Turner in asking that a little time begiven for the consideration of this amendment. I would draw Mr. Barton's attention to the fact thatacquisition would mean compulsory acquisition-that is, acquisition by the Commonwealth againstthe will of the state, which would reverse the principle. that has been adopted in the Bill that a stateshould not be compelled to give up any portion of its territory. Clause 105 provides that the

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    Parliament of a state may at any time surrender any part of the territory of that state to theCommonwealth.

    Mr. BARTON.-That clause requires a separate Act for every acquisition of territory by theCommonwealth.

    Mr. ISAAC.-Yes. What I wish to point out is that we must be careful that we do not in thisrough-and-ready fashion bring about the reversals of principles already laid down in the Bill.

    Clause 53 embodies a provision which exists in the United States Constitution:-

    The Parliament shall, subject to the provisions of this Constitution, have exclusive powers to makelaws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to the followingmatters:-. . . . . . . . .

    II. The government of any territory which by the surrender of any state or states, and theacceptance of the Commonwealth, becomes the seat of government of the Commonwealth, and theexercise of like authority over all places acquired by the Commonwealth, with the consent of thestate in which such places are situate, for the construction of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards,quarantine stations, or for any other purposes of general concern.

    That provision makes the fullest recognition of the right of the Commonwealth to acquire lands,with the consent of the states, for any purpose of general concern. If we are to reverse that

    position we ought not to do it hastily, and if it is the desire of honorable members to insert this sub-section, the Bill must be altered very materially in several respects. For these reasons, I would askthat a little more time be given to us for the consideration of the matter.

    Mr. BARTON (New South Wales).-I shall be perfectly willing to adopt the suggestion which hasbeen made upon the understanding that at some future time I shall propose a sub-section similar tothis, or the insertion of a new clause of similar effect in some other part of the Bill. It has beensuggested to me that the sub-section might be inserted now, but upon the understanding that I shallassent to a recommittal if there is a desire on the part of honorable members to consider the matter

    further. The 2nd sub-section of clause 53 is not intended to confer powers at all. The sub-section only gives to the Federal Parliament exclusive powers of legislation in regard to the

    government of territory which has been acquired by the Commonwealth for military and

    other purposes.

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    Mr. ISAACS.-Taken in conjunction with sub-section (37), it would put the federal authorityin the same position as the federal authority of the United States occupies.

    Mr. BARTON.-When you hand over such powers as are included in the naval and military

    defence of the Commonwealth, you unfairly and unwisely restrict those powers, if you make itnecessary to procure separate legislation for the acquisition of any lands required for the purposesof defence, because you make the federal authority subject to the dictation of the state authority inregard to each transfer. This convinces me that power must be given to the federal authority notto acquire lands compulsorily, but to legislate upon the subject as I have suggested in the sub-

    section.However, if honorable members prefer that the sub-section should be withdrawn, I shallconsent to that course upon the understanding to which I have already referred.

    The sub-section was withdrawal.

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    END QUOTE HANSARD 25-1-1898 Constitution Convention Debates (Official Record of theDebates of the National Australasian Convention)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_51(xxxi)_of_the_Australian_Constitution#Just_terms

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    Section 51(xxxi) of the Australian Constitution is a subsection ofSection 51 of the AustralianConstitution providing that the Commonwealth has the power to make laws with respect to "theacquisition of property on just terms from any State or person for any purpose in respect of whichthe Parliament has power to make laws." It is both a power and a constitutional guarantee of justcompensation forproperty rights contingent on its exercise.

    The language of s 51(xxxi) was adapted from the final words of theFifth Amendment to the United

    States Constitution. Unlike the American provision, however, it is primarily a grant ofCommonwealth law-making power. It is clear that the requirement of "just terms" does not affectthe State Parliaments. In Grace Bros Pty Ltd v The Commonwealth (1946) Justice Dixon stated thatthe inclusion of the condition was to "prevent arbitrary exercises of the power at the expense of aState or a subject."

    The interpretation of the terms "acquisition" and "just terms" by theHigh Court of Australia havehad the effect, however, of limiting its protection of property rights. Moreover, it operates at anytime the Commonwealth makes a compulsory acquisition of property. As such, it is a contingentguarantee rather than a general constitutional right or freedom to enjoy property rights.

    The Commonwealth may only acquire property on just terms for a "purpose in respect of which theParliament has power to make laws". This means that every law supported by s 51(xxxi) must also

    be supported by at least one additional legislative power.

    The effect of the section was famously the subject of the iconic Australian film The Castle.

    [edit] Property

    The High Court of Australia has taken a wide view of the concept of "property". Several membersof the court took the opportunity to consider the meaning of the term property in Minister of State

    for the Army v Dalziel(1944). Justice Starke said the term includes: "every species of valuable rightand interest including real andpersonal property,incorporeal hereditamentssuch as rents andservices,rights-of-way, rights ofprofit oruse in land of another, and choses in action. JusticeMcTiernan confirmed the term property extends to tangible and intangible property.

    An example of the breadth of the concept of property in section 51(xxxi) is provided byBank ofNew South Wales v Commonwealth (theBank Nationalisation Case). In that case, Federallegislation contemplated the acquisition of private banks through vesting of shares in private banksin the Commonwealth, and later the appointment of directors by the Governor of theCommonwealth Bank. Justice Dixon characterised the provisions as removing effective controlover the property of the private banks. He concluded that this was, in the essential sense, anacquisition of a proprietary right.

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    While statutory licences have sometimes been equated with proprietary interests, the removal ofrights enjoyed under a statutory licence does not typically constitute an acquisition of propertywithin section 51(xxxi), as licence conditions are inherently susceptible to change.

    [edit] Acquisition

    For the purposes of section 51(xxxi), property must have been acquired by somebody, and theacquisition must be for a Commonwealth purpose. This is in contrast to theFifth Amendment,where the destination does not matter - it is enough that the holder of property has been deprived ofit.

    [edit] Just terms

    Typically, a determination of just terms based on the market value of the property at the time ofacquisition will be sufficient to satisfy the requirement of just terms. Unlike the "just compensation"requirement in the Fifth Amendment, however, "just terms" imports no equivalence ofmarketvalue. The arrangements offered must be "fair", or such that a legislature could reasonably regardthem as "fair". However, this judgment of "fairness" must take account of all the interests affected,not just those of the dispossessed owner.

    The requirement of "just terms" does not necessarily require that a compensation package bepresented as part of the acquisition scheme. It is sufficient that the scheme provides adequateprocedures for determining fair compensation. However, the Court may scrutinise such proceduresclosely to ensure their adequacy.

    There may be some acquisitions of property to which section 51(xxxi) does not apply.

    Section 51(xxxi) is an exception to the norm for interpretation of the subsections of section 51, thatone grant of power cannot be used to "read down" another. In this case, however, the Court will notallow another grant of power to be read so broadly as to circumvent the specific limitation to the

    power granted by section 51(xxxi).

    END QUOTE

    Gerrit

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    Mr G. H. Schorel-Hlavka

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