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Riley Park South Cambie City Plan Visions Group

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Community Forum on Little Mountain Redevelopment

Who is Riley Park South Cambie Riley Park South Cambie Visions

ImplementationCity Plan Visions Group?

• Volunteer group of local residents—open to everyone

• Created by City of Vancouver in 2005

• Work with Planning Department in identifying community priorities–Visions

• Surveyed all area residents about including transportation, parks, services and housing

Little MLittle Mountain & Riley Park South

Cambieountain & Riley Park South Cambie

Little Mountain—First of ManyLarge Sites Proposed for RPSCLittle Mountain—First of ManyLarge Sites Proposed for RPSC

• RPSC home of several large developments• Planning for Re-development of Cambie

Corridor now started

Purpose of Community ForumPurpose of Community Forum

1965 Next?

Purpose of Tonight’s meetingPurpose of Tonight’s meeting

1. Update you on progress of Little Mountain Redevelopment process

2. Provide information

3. Pose important questions

4. Encourage you to become involved

• Update on Process …Q&A• Density and height of project..Q&A• Affordability….Q&A• Performance…Q&A• Amenities and Impacts …Q&A• Your Goals for this Project…Q&A

AgendaAgenda

Time Line of ProjectTime Line of Project

• 2007 …. MOU between City and Ministry of Housing

• 2008…. Developer selected for project— Holborn Group

• 2009….. Most residents re-located

• 2009… December—public consultation process begins

Time Line of ProjectTime Line of Project

• 2010 January—public advisory group formed.. meetings in January, April and May

• 2010 June 12 & 15—public open houses planned for input on site concepts

• 2010 late summer— final concept for site

• 2010 fall—submission of application to city for re-zoning

• 2011 ? —start of construction in phases

• 2007..Minister of Housing Coleman announces project and proposes 2000 + units of housing…..

• 2008…Ministry of Housing chooses developer …Holborn Group. Terms of deal still not yet revealed……..

Unknown Factors in ProcessUnknown Factors in Process

• Spring 2008 To: Minister Coleman re status of LM

• Spring 2008 To: Auditor General of BC re sale of LM site

• 2008--- Several meetings with Finance Minister Taylor

• April 2008 To: Premier Campbell re status of tenants on site

Correspondence Correspondence

• Spring 2009 To BC Housing re terms of agreement with developer• March 2009

To: Premier Campbell re terms of agreement with developer of site

• Nov. 2009To Mayor Robertson re status of Riley Park CC

• March 2010 To Mayor regarding sale of land

Correspondence Correspondence

• City endorses development as means to providing social housing (20% or 224 units)

• City staff to explore ways to provide more family housing

• City requests Holborn and BC Housing to disclose key elements of sale

City’s Response to RPSCCity’s Response to RPSC

• Province announces 1000 new social housing units for homeless in Vancouver (May 26)

• Financed by sale of Little Mountain site(May 26, Vancouver Sun & Courier May 28th)

Update as of June 2Update as of June 2

Vital Questions for CommunityVital Questions for Community

• Who will be able to afford to live at new complex?...$

• How big will development be?...# of units

• How will this site impact our community?

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Density of Population and Height of New Buildings at Little Mountain k South Cambie

City Plan Visions Group

Turn to your neighbour and ask..

How many units of housing should the new development

have?

Density at Little Mountain

Congratulations… You are the first members of the public to be asked how dense the development at Little Mountain should be.

Congratulations… You are the first members of the public to be asked how dense the development at Little Mountain should be.

Density Definition

• Little Mountain Housing Site = 15 acres• One residential lot 33’ x 110’• One acre = 12 residential lots

• Little Mountain Housing Site = 180 lots• 3 people/house = 540 residents • Little Mountain Housing (old) = 224 x 3 = 672

Density Definition

1. Advisory Group process does not address this issue directly.

2. Development density informed by consultants hired by developer as required by City—criteria are subjective

3. No direct public input requested yet

How is Density Determined?

For the Record….Density at LM

Housing Minister Coleman………. 2000+ units of housing

Bob Rennie, Condo Marketer…..2500+

Housing Minister Coleman………. 2000+ units of housing

Bob Rennie, Condo Marketer…..2500+

Density ExamplesRecent Residential Projects in Vancouver

Project Area in Acres

No. of Housing

Units

Average units per

Acre

Forms

Arbutus Walk

25 2000 80 Mixed….. 4-7 stories

Quilchena Park

12 680 56.6 Mixed.. Townhouses..

7 stories

Portico 10 482 48.2 Mixed.. Townhouses and towers

Olympic Village

9.2 1124 125 Condos to 13 stories

New Little Mountain Based on Examplesin

Project Area in Acres

No. of Units Average/Acre Forms

(If Per Quilchena) 15 855 57 ?

(If per Arbutus Walk) 15 1200 80

Mixed Townhouses

7 stories

(If per Portico) 15 723 48.2 Mixed

Townhouses, and towers

(per Olympic Village)

15 1875 125 Condos to 13 stories

133 units/ acre (according to Rich Coleman)

166 (according to Bob Rennie)

How Dense at New Little Mountain?

Average Density?

Average number of units of Arbutus Walk, Quilchena & Portico …

62 units per acre

Number of Density of Little Mountain as Average

of Quilchena, Arbutus and Portico?

15 acres x 62 units = 930 units

If based on Olympic Village = 1875

Height of Buildings at Little Mountain?

Turn to your neighbour and ask ..

How high should the new buildings be?

Turn to your neighbour and ask ..

How high should the new buildings be?

Community Input re Building Height2005 and 2009

Community Input re Building Height2005 and 2009

• Buildings over four stories.. 64% against Source RPSC Visions—for Little Mountain 2005

• Public Input to LM Site—December 200924% ……. 2-3 stories 25% ....... 4 stories = Low Orientation13% ........ 5 stories

17% …….. 6 stories 11% ……… 7-10 stories = Mid-height

2% ………. 12 stories

8% ……… No restriction = High rise

Source: CoV Planning Dept.

Vital Questions for Us to Answer—

Vital Questions for Us to Answer—

How dense should development be?

How high should buildings reach?

What will this new development bring to our community?............ and leave behind?

Affordable Housing at Little Mountain

Affordable Housing...

Housing that provides cost options for residents of Vancouver, for example:

affordable rental, seniors housing, cooperative housing in addition to market priced homes

Income Level of Vancouver Family

Median Vancouver Family Income: $47,000 (Stats Canada 2006) 50 % of families earn less

Who earns median income?• Service, retail & clerical workers• Entry level public safety workers• Entry level educators & nurses• City employees

Who has below median income?

• Those on fixed incomes (elderly, ill, disabled)• Single Income families• Single parent families• Recent immigrants to Canada

Current Affordability Formula

DEFINITION OF HOUSING AFFORDABILITY:

“The cost of adequate shelter should not exceed 30% of household income.”

Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation

Can Median Income Families Afford Little Mountain?

Keep LITTE MOUNTAIN affordable for our families

• Homes for families earning less than $50,000/year (half of our population)

• Homes that cost significantly less than $1200/month

Key Questions

Will development provide housing options for median and below median income earners?

Will development provide ownership options for median income earners?

Final Question

As a community member how important is affordable housing in the new Little Mountain housing mix?

Housing Costs in Vancouver

Renting:

Two Bedroom suite in a private home: $1170/month (Vancouver Courier March 2010)

Two Bedroom suite in a condominium: $1638/month (CMHC Fall 2009)

Owning:Average Home Price in Riley Park Area: $1,000,0000Condominium Prices: $300,000 up to $1,000,000

Who earns median income?

• Service, retail & clerical workers• Entry level public safety workers• Entry level educators & nurses• City employees

Performance of LM Redevelopment

Performance—

How housing developments impact the community—

internal and external side effects

Performance of LM Redevelopment

Five Potential Destructive Elements—• Noise• Bad smells and pollution• Heavy automotive traffic• Impacts on parks, views & access to

sun and sky• Inharmonious building scale

Potential Destructive Performance

Mechanical Noise—Bad smells and pollution—

How many additional vehicles should the neighbourhood accommodate?

Heavy Automotive Traffic

Potential of 2000 autos in small area

What are the effective limits on traffic calming measures needed to provide a safe and enjoyable environment for walking and cycling?

Impacts on parks, views and access to sun and sky

• Views from Q.E. Park• Transitions to park and residential

environment• View corridors of local residents• Shadowing of homes and yards

Inharmonious Building Scale

• Horizontal street frontage that discourages walking but encourages automotive use

• Impacts of height and mass on access of streets and neighbouring buildings to sun, sky and views

Finance and Performance

Will the “secret deal” between Holborn and Gov’t. be an obstacle to livability and

affordability?

Community Amenity

Facilities and services for Vancouver residents derived from:

• Community Amenity Contributions• Development Cost Levies

Paid by developers to provide:

• Replacement of social housing • New parks• Day care facilities• Utilities• Transportation improvements

Development Cost Levies

Collected when re-zoning takes place. Developer pays $ per sq. ft. of new space for:

• Community centre improvements• Amenities as per Development Cost Levies

Community Amenity Contributions

• Little Mountain Neighbourhood House to be included in new housing complex

• Replacement of 224 social housing units at LM site or 20% or total units

Community Amenity Situation

• 2000 to 5000 more people at Little Mountain

• Cambie Corridor to add 10,000 or more

• Heather to Manitoba to become “denser”

• Oakridge to add 12-1500 new housing units

• Other large sites to come in area

Population Pressures on Amenities

1. Will amenities (like community centres and parks) be adequate for increased population in area?

2. How will increased demand for services be met?

3. What plan does City have to maintain quality of life in RPSC when thousands of additional people take up residence here?

Key Questions

New Hillcrest CC

• New facility with larger pool, outdoor pool and rinks

• 31,000 s.f. Com. Centre

• Library (7000 s.f.)

• Riley Park Centre becomes “green space”

• Old curling centre becomes “green space”

• Mt. Pleasant CC moved

• Douglas Park CC limited

Pressures on Hillcrest

• Ice Rink already over subscribed• Dedicated space for Seniors not

identified• Destination centre—rinks and pools and

parks attract users city

Pressures on New Hillcrest CC

• Day care requests increasing • Pre-school requests increasing• Seniors’ leisure facilities limited• Arts facilities very limited• Public meeting spaces limited

Pressures on Community Amenities

1. Retain existing Riley Park CC in part or whole to provide amenities for new population

2. Fund Little Mountain Neighbourhood House to meet increased demands for services

3. Require developers to pay for additional amenity improvements (Woodwards example)

Options for Community Amenities

Public input has suggested the following:

Affordable....

People from a variety of life situations can afford to live in the development

Goals for LM Project

Promotes Community- enhances the feeling of belonging

- promotes social exchange

- healthy mix of residents like Riley Park

Goals for Project

Liveable- environmentally sustainable

- friendly to those with limitations - walk-able (residents and public)

Goals for Project

Integrated The LM redevelopment fits physically, environmentally and socially with existing neighbourhoods.

Goals for Project

What goal (s) do you suggest for this project?

............

Goals for Project

• 2010 June 12 open house at Riley Park 11-2pm June 15 open house RPCC 5:30-8:30

• 2010 Open House late summer— project concept for site presentation

• 2010 November—submission of proposed project framework to Mayor and Council

Project Timeline

• Participate…. June 12 & 15 in the public consultations at Riley Park CC

• Let Planning Dept. or Mayor know what you think is appropriate for Little Mountain.

• Send us your thoughts and we will direct them to the people in Planning, Developer or Office Holders.

Your Voice is Vital!

What can YOU do?

• “this project is being built on an historic site on public lands. The community deserves to have this recognized through full Community Amenity contributions, DCL's, a minimum of 20% social housing and a recognition of the community that made Little Mountain famous for the strong stands they have made for a full social safety net to make Vancouver the number one city for everyone not just the wealthy. Little Mountain has fought for social housing, public lands in public hands, welfare rights, seniors subsidies and strong neighbourhoods. I congratulate all of you in your continued fight for what is right. I stand with you and am sorry I cannot join you tonight.”

Ellen Woodsworth

Message from Councillor Woodsworth