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Recreational Vehicles

Mark Luttich, ChairNebraska Public Service Commission, NE [E]

Bruce Hopkins, SecretaryRecreation Vehicle Industry Association, VA [M]

Rep. Recreation Vehicle Industry Association

Thomas R. Arnold, T. R. Arnold & Associates, Inc., IN [RT]Charles Ballard, Pacific West Associates, Inc., WY [SE]Christopher J. Bloom, CJB Fire Consultants, OR [SE]Larry Budica, Fleetwood Enterprises, Inc., CA [M]Jeffrey A. Christner, Newmar Corporation, IN [M]James W. Finch, Kampgrounds of America, Inc., MT [U]Dean Foster, Thetford Corporation, MI [M]John P. Harvey, State of Washington, WA [E]Jerome A. Hoover, Monaco Coach Corporation, IN [M]James J. Jaeger, Jaeger Engineering, WA [SE]Dale Jordal, Winnebago Industries, Inc., IA [M]Michael T. Kobel, Intʼl. Assn. of Plumbing & Mechanical Officials, CA [SE] Rep. International Association of Plumbing & Mechanical Officials Blaine R. Lanning, CSA International, OH [RT]Bob Livingston, Affinity Group, Inc., CA [IM]Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Company, IL [IM] Tug L. Miller, National Association of RV Parks & Campgrounds, CA [U] Rep. National Assn. of RV Parks & CampgroundsArthur H. Mittelstaedt, Jr., Recreation Safety Institute Ltd., NY [SE] Rep. American Alliance for Health, Physical Education, Recreation, and Dance Robert Ohlund, Thor California, CA [M] John Pabian, Underwriters Laboratories Inc., IL [RT] Homer A. Staves, Staves Consulting Inc., MT [U] Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association, IL [IM] Rep. National Propane Gas Association Patrick Yee, Canadian Standards Association (CSA), Canada [RT] Rep. Canadian Standards Association International

Alternates

Joseph M. Bloom, Bloom Fire Investigation, OR [SE] (Alt. to Christopher J. Bloom)

Vincent Guy Fiorucci, Underwriters Laboratories Inc., IL [RT] (Alt. to John Pabian)

Theodore P. Huff, T. R. Arnold & Associates, Inc., IN [RT] (Alt. to Thomas R. Arnold)

Suzanne Mark, National Assn. of RV Parks & Campgrounds, VA [U] (Alt. to Tug L. Miller)

Kent Perkins, Recreation Vehicle Industry Association, VA [M] (Alt. to Bruce Hopkins)

John Stuewe, State of Washington, WA [E] (Alt. to John P. Harvey)

Robert E. Wozniak, Fleetwood Enterprises, Inc., CA [M] (Alt. to Larry Budica)

Staff Liaison: James D. Lake

Committee Scope: This Committee shall have primary responsibility for docu-ments on the fire safety criteria for recreational vehicles and recreational vehicle parks.

This list represents the membership at the time the Committee was balloted on the text of this edition. Since that time, changes in the membership may have oc-curred. A key to classifications is found at the front of this book.

The Technical Committee on Recreational Vehicles is presenting two Reports for adoption, as follows:

Report I: The Technical Committee proposes for adoption, amendments to NFPA 1192, Standard on Recreational Vehicles, 2002 edition. NFPA 1192-2002 is published in Volume 10 of the 2003 National Fire Codes and in sepa-rate pamphlet form.

NFPA 1192 has been submitted to letter ballot of the Technical Committee on Recreational Vehicles, which consists of 24 voting members. The results of the balloting, after circulation of any negative votes, can be found in the report.

Report II: The Technical Committee proposes for adoption, amendments to NFPA 1194, Standard for Recreational Vehicle Parks and Campgrounds, 2002 edition. NFPA 1194-2002 is published in Volume 10 of the 2003 National Fire Codes and in separate pamphlet form.

NFPA 1194 has been submitted to letter ballot of the Technical Committee on Recreational Vehicles, which consists of 24 voting members. The results of the balloting, after circulation of any negative votes, can be found in the report.

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_______________________________________________________________1192-1 Log #44 Final Action: Accept( Entire Document )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Where ever the terms “LP-Gas,” “gas,” “fuel*,” or “lique-fied petroleum gas” appear (including Annex A & B), replace with the term “propane”. (*fuel as it is referring to LP-Gas/propane not gasoline)Substantiation: The term “propane” is the most commonly used language by consumers, RV technicians, dealers and the RV Industry at large. The major-ity of documentation on this topic refers to prpane. In addition the National LP-Gas Association recently changed its name to the National Propane Association. Also, an individual 2005 code change proposal has been submit-ted to deal with the needed change involving the definition of 3.3.18 Liquefied Petroleum Gas (LP-Gas and LPG).Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-2 Log #5 Final Action: Reject( Entire Document )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Gerald Spivey Streator, ILRecommendation: Now available is a safety ladder that would help people exit from the window to the ground, which is approximately 8 ft high. I think this ladder should be mandatory for all 5th wheel trailers with windows over 7 ft high.Substantiation: Camping trailers are required to be built to specifications of the RVIA, which includes escape windows, fire extinguishers, smoke detectors, and all other codes. Note: Supporting material is available for review at NFPA Headquarters.Committee Meeting Action: RejectCommittee Statement: The proponent did not make a specific proposal.Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-3 Log #CP3 Final Action: Accept( Entire Document )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Technical Committee on Recreational VehiclesRecommendation: Change the following terms as they appear in the standard: 1. Change liquid level gauge; vent valve; outage gauge; outage valve to “fixed maximum liquid level gauge” 2. Change filler valve; fill valve; double backflow check valve; double back-flow check filler valve to “double check filler valve” 3. Change check valve; back check valve to “backflow check valve” 4. Change excess flow check valve to “excess flow valve” 5. Change relief valve; relief device to “pressure relief valve” 6. Change pressure relief to “pressure relief device”Substantiation: This is an editorial revision to correlate the various terms into one consistent and more accurate term.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-4 Log #CP5 Final Action: Accept( Entire Document )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Technical Committee on Recreational VehiclesRecommendation: Change “vaportight” to “vapor resistant” where it appears in the standard. Add a new definition to Chapter 3 as follows: Vapor Resistant: Constructed so that gas or air is inhibited from entering or leaving except through vents or piping provided for the purpose. Annex Note - Examples of vapor resistant include construction where penetra-tions, seams or joints are caulked, sealed, filled or equivalent. Substantiation: Vaportight was not defined and unenforceable. “Vapor Resistant” continues to ensure a level of safety that is necessary with-out being subjective. Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 18 Negative: 1 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT,

YEEExplanation of Negative: BLOOM: “Vapor Resistant” is subjective and does not insure dangerous or flammable vapors or gases cannot enter a recreational vehicle. A “Vaportight” compartment insures safety of the component and occupants, and is readily understood._______________________________________________________________1192-5 Log #CP14 Final Action: Accept( Entire Document )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Technical Committee on Recreational VehiclesRecommendation: Complete the editorial revisions to the NFPA Manual of Style for the entire document.Substantiation: In the last cycle NFPA 1192 was only partially revised to meet the NFPA Manual of Style. The chapters of the standard were reorga-nized and numbering was revised however the paragraphs were not broken out into individual requirements. A task group of the committee has been formed to review staff revisions and complete the editorial revisions of the standard to the Manual of Style.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-6 Log #CP7 Final Action: Accept( 1.2 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Technical Committee on Recreational VehiclesRecommendation: The purpose of this standard shall be to provide the mini-mum criteria for recreational vehicles that are considered necessary to provide a reasonable level of protection from loss of life from fire and explosion.Substantiation: Under the NFPA Manual of Style, Table 2.2 2.3 identifies that the term “Reasonable” is unforceable and vague.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-7 Log #CP8 Final Action: Accept( 1.3.3 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Technical Committee on Recreational VehiclesRecommendation: Revise 1.3.3 as follows: This standard is applicable shall apply to new recreational vehicles manufac-tured on or after September 1, 2002, 2005. however, nothing shall prevent the use of the standard prior to September 1, 2002, if the purchaser and the manu-facturer agree.Substantiation: Editorial changes based on the NFPA Manual of Style, plus changing the effective date from “2002” to “2005” in order to have an accurate date upon publication. The last part of the sentence is unnecessary, since AHD would determine earlier use.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-8 Log #127 Final Action: Reject( 2.2.8.3(b) (1) )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Joseph M. Bloom, Bloom Fire InvestigationRecommendation: This section at present reads “The pressure relief valve discharge shall be directed upward or downward within 45 degrees of vertical horizontal, so that its discharge shall not directly impinge on the prime mover engine nor be directed into the interior of the vehicle”. The section should replace the word “vertical” with the word “horizontal” for motor home applications, reflecting the original case as stated in all previous editions of NFPA 501C. This should be an “exception” to the section.Substantiation: 1. When a relief valve is placed at or near vertical, facing the ground, as this section allows, a release of highly pressurized propane will cause a mushroom effect against the ground, causing the expelled contents to impinge into the underside and interior of the vehicle. The relief valve cannot face up, as burning contents under pressure will burn into the floor. In a fire scenario, this may effectively block and prevent egress as the entire underside of the motor home may be instantly engulfed in fire. 2. Once ignited, the mushroom effect will raise the temperature and pressure of the tank and relief valve and may overcome its designed limits, resulting in either a vapor explosion and/or boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion, plac-ing nearby persons and property at substantial risk of damage and injury.

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Report on Proposals — Copyright, NFPA NFPA 1192 3. The relief valve placed at the bottom of a tank, as is now allowed, will leave the relief valve under the liquid portion, so that any release of pressure will force liquid, not vapor, to expel. As the liquid expands into vapor at an expansion rate of 270:1, a vapor cloud may be generated, allowing for the very real potential of a significant propane explosion, placing life and surrounding property at great risk. With the relief valve in the vertical position, there is the potential for a mas-sive LP-gas explosion in the event of a motor home fire in a densely populated area. Although the relief valve placement horizontally is less than ideal due to a horizontal flame torch propagation of 30 ft or more during relief, the potential of explosion is minimized.Committee Meeting Action: RejectCommittee Statement: The section reference is based on an earlier edition of NFPA 1192 not the 2002 edition. The committee believes having the relief valve at horizontal could endanger life or property. Based on current design, the relief valve communicates only with the vapor space.Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 17 Negative: 1 Abstain: 1 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEEExplanation of Negative: BLOOM: Until the 1999 edition of, all LP-gas systems had relief valves mounted in a horizontal orientation, for safety reasons. The reference to the relief valve orientation change from the horizontal to the vertical was not addressed nor discussed nor voted on by the committee according to records.This is a serious matter, where the committee consensus now believes the relief valve at horizontal could endanger life or property . However, a vertical orien-tation may be far more dangerous.Does the committee need to advise NHTSA and all manufacturers of the fire and life safety problems as there are hundreds of thousands of RVʼs in opera-tion at this time with horizontally mounted relief valves.Explanatin of Abstention: PABIAN: Voted to abstain to review proposal in more depth.

________________________________________________________________1192-9 Log #18 Final Action: Accept in Principle( 2.3.6 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Bob Eugene, Underwriters Laboratories Inc.Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows: UL 144, Standard for LP-Gas Regulators, 1997 2001.Substantiation: Revised date notes the most recently ANSI approved edition.Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Updates will be reviewed by committee and staff.Committee Statement: Standard date references are routinely updated by NFPA staff during the revision cycle. Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 18 Abstain: 1 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEEExplanatin of Abstention: BLOOM: Not received.

________________________________________________________________1192-10 Log #19 Final Action: Accept in Principle( 2.3.6 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Bob Eugene, Underwriters Laboratories Inc.Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows: UL 484, Standard for Room Air Conditioners, 1993 2002.Substantiation: Revised date notes the most recently ANSI approved edition.Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Updates will be reviewed by committee and staff.Committee Statement: Standard date references are routinely updated by NFPA staff during the revision cycle. Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-11 Log #20 Final Action: Accept in Principle( 2.3.6 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Bob Eugene, Underwriters Laboratories Inc.Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows: UL 569, Standard for Pigtails and Flexible Hose Connectors for LP-Gas, 1995 2000.Substantiation: Revised date notes the most recently ANSI approved edition.Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Updates will be reviewed by committee and staff.

Committee Statement: Standard date references are routinely updated by NFPA staff during the revision cycle. Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-12 Log #21 Final Action: Accept in Principle( 2.3.6 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Bob Eugene, Underwriters Laboratories Inc.Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows: UL 842, Standard for Valves for Flammable Liquids, 1997 1999.Substantiation: Revised date notes the most recently ANSI approved edition.Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Updates will be reviewed by committee and staff.Committee Statement: Standard date references are routinely updated by NFPA staff during the revision cycle. Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-13 Log #22 Final Action: Accept in Principle( 2.3.6 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Bob Eugene, Underwriters Laboratories Inc.Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows: UL 1484, Standard for Residential Gas Detectors, 1994 2000.Substantiation: Update to current standard.Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Updates will be reviewed by committee and staff.Committee Statement: Standard date references are routinely updated by NFPA staff during the revision cycle. Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-14 Log #23 Final Action: Accept in Principle( 2.3.6 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Add text to read as follows: 2.3.6 UL Publications UL 125, Valves for Anhydrous Ammonia and LP-Gas (Other than Safety Relief), 1997.Substantiation: Editorial. A 2005 code change proposal has been submitted under 5.2.7.7(1) to reference this UL standard.Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Updates will be reviewed by committee and staff.Committee Statement: Standard date references are routinely updated by NFPA staff during the revision cycle. Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-15 Log #24 Final Action: Accept in Principle( 2.3.6 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Add text to read as follows: 2.3.6 UL Publications UL 2061, Adapters and Cylinder Connection Devices for Portable LP-Gas Cylinder Assemblies, 1997.Substantiation: Editorial. A 2005 code change proposal has been submitted under 5.2.7.7(2) to reference this UL standard.Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Updates will be reviewed by committee and staff.Committee Statement: Standard date references are routinely updated by NFPA staff during the revision cycle. Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

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Report on Proposals — Copyright, NFPA NFPA 1192 ________________________________________________________________1192-16 Log #CP1 Final Action: Accept( Chapter 3 Definitions (GOT) )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Technical Committee on Recreational VehiclesRecommendation: Adopt the following definitions from the NFPA Glossary of Terms for the following items: Cylinder. (secondary) NFPA 1192, 2002 ed. A portable container constructed in accordance with U.S. Department of Transportation Specifications for LP-Gas Containers (49 CFR). External Pressure Relief Valve. (preferred) NFPA 58, 2001 ed. A pressure relief valve that is used on older domestic containers, on pressure relief valve manifolds, and for piping protection where all the working parts are located entirely outside the container or piping. Flush-Type Full Internal Pressure Relief Valve. (preferred) NFPA 58, 2001 ed. An internal pressure relief valve in which the wrenching section is also within the container connection, not including a small portion due to pipe thread toler-ances on makeup. Full Internal Pressure Relief Valve. (preferred) NFPA 58, 2001 ed.An internal pressure relief valve in which the wrenching section is also within the container connection, not including a small portion due to pipe thread toler-ances on makeup. Identified (as applied to equipment). (preferred) NFPA 79, 2002 ed. Recognizable as suitable for the specific purpose, function, use, environment, application, and so forth, where described in a particular code or standard requirement. Substantiation: Adoption of definitions will assist the user by providing con-sistent meaning of defined terms throughout the National Fire Codes. Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 18 Negative: 1 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEEExplanation of Negative: HOPKINS: Log CP1 should have been written to indicate that the definitions of “external pressure relief valve, flush-type full internal pressure relief valve and full internal pressure relief valve” be moved to the annex. This would then match the action taken by the Committee on these definitions in 1192-25 Log #33.Comment on Affirmative: MCTIER: The definition of “Full Internal Pressure Relief Valve” is the same as the definition of the “Flush Type Full Internal Pressure Relief Valve” and is a mistake. The definition of “Full Internal Pressure Relief Valve” is as follows:Full Internal Pressure Relief Valve: A pressure relief valve for engine fuel and mobile container use in which all working parts are recessed within the con-tainer connection and the spring and guiding mechanism are not exposed to the atmosphere.

_______________________________________________________________1192-17 Log #25 Final Action: Accept in Principle( 3.3.4 Compartment )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Delete the existing definition and replace it with the fol-lowing: Compartment. A completely enclosed volume designed to provide for a separate area.Substantiation: NFPA requested these preferred definitions be accepted so as to be consistent throughout the National Fire Codes. However, the meaning, when applied to RV applications does not work as well as the original 1999 (secondary) definition.Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Revise definition as follows: An enclosed volumetric space designed to provide for a separate area.Committee Statement: The committee agrees with the submitter and further feels that this revision more accurately describes the term.Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-18 Log #26 Final Action: Accept( 3.3.5 Container )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Delete the existing definition and replace it with the fol-lowing: Container: A tank or cylinder.Substantiation: NFPA requested these preferred definitions be accepted so as to be consistent throughout the National Fire Codes. However, the meaning, when applied to RV applications does not work as well as the original 1999 (secondary) definition.Committee Meeting Action: Accept

Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-19 Log #27 Final Action: Accept in Principle( 3.3.17 Interior Finish )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Delete the existing definition and replace it with the fol-lowing: Interior Finish. The exposed interior surface in combination with the sub-strate to which it is applied. Interior finish shall include any material (e.g., paint, wallpaper, decorative panels) that is affixed to such surfaces.Substantiation: NFPA requested these preferred definitions be accepted so as to be consistent throughout the National Fire Codes. However, the meaning, when applied to RV applications does not work as well as the original 1999 (secondary) definition.Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Move second sentence to Annex for the definition: 3.3.17 Interior Finish. The exposed interior surface in combination with the substrate to which it is applied. A.3.3.17 Interior finish includes any material (e.g., paint, wallpaper, decora-tive panels) that is affixed to such surfaces.Committee Statement: The second sentence should not be part of the defini-tion. It is explanatory information and therefore should be in the Annex.Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-20 Log #28 Final Action: Accept( 3.3.18 Propane )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Change the title to read: 3.3.18 Propane (Liquefied Petroleum Gas, LP-Gas, LPG).Substantiation: The term “propane” is the most commonly used language by consumers, RV manufacturers, dealers and RV technicians. The major-ity of documentation on this topic refers to the term propane. For example the National LP-Gas Association recently changed its name to the National Propane Association.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-21 Log #30 Final Action: Accept( 3.3.19 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Revise the reference at the end of the sentence from (see 3.3.25) to read (see 3.3.26).Substantiation: Editorial. The current reference is wrong. The motorhome definition needs to be referred to the RV definition not to the recreational park trailer definition.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-22 Log #29 Final Action: Accept( 3.3.19 Motor Home )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Delete the term “permanently” from the sentence. 3.3.19 Motor Home. A vehicular unit designed to provide temporary liv-ing quarters for recreational, camping, or travel use, built on or permanently attached to a self-propelled motor vehicle chassis or on a chassis cab or van that is an integral part of the completed vehicle.Substantiation: There exists no definition for the term permanent and there-fore this requirement is unenforceable and vague.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

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Report on Proposals — Copyright, NFPA NFPA 1192 1192-23 Log #31 Final Action: Reject( 3.3.21 Pipe )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Delete the existing definition and replace it with the fol-lowing: Pipe. Rigid materials (e.g., iron pipe) of the gas system.Substantiation: NFPA requested these preferred definitions be accepted so as to be consistent throughout the National Fire Codes. However, the meaning, when applied to RV applications does not work as well as the original 1999 (secondary) definition.Committee Meeting Action: RejectCommittee Statement: The current definition works with the inclusion of plumbing requirements in this edition of the standard.Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-24 Log #32 Final Action: Accept in Principle( 3.3.22 Piping )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Delete the existing definition and replace it with the fol-lowing: Piping. The materials of the gas supply system that convey gas from source to appliance, including both rigid (e.g., iron pipe) and semi-rigid (e.g., copper) materials of the gas supply system.Substantiation: NFPA requested these preferred definitions be accepted so as to be consistent throughout the National Fire Codes. However, the meaning, when applied to RV applications does not work as well as the original 1999 (secondary) definition.Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Revise definition as follows: Piping. The tubing or rigid conduit of the system. Delete 3.3.22.1 through 3.3.22.3.Committee Statement: The change in language is more inclusive eliminating the need for the sub-definitions and more clearly states the definition of piping. Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-25 Log #33 Final Action: Accept in Principle( 3.3.23 Pressure Relief Valve )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Delete the existing definition and replace it with the fol-lowing: Pressure Relief Valve. A type of pressure relief device designed to both open and close to maintain internal fluid pressure.Substantiation: NFPA requested these preferred definitions be accepted so as to be consistent throughout the National Fire Codes. However, the meaning, when applied to RV applications does not work as well as the original 1999 (secondary) definition.Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Revise the definition to read: 3.3.23 Pressure Relief Valve. A type of pressure relief device designed to both open and close to maintain internal fluid pressure. Move all subdefinitions (3.3.23.1 through 3.3.23.5) to Annex material for the definition.Committee Statement: The committee agrees with the submitter and by moving the subdefinitions to the Annex retains the information in proper form recognizing that the terms are not used in the rest of the standard.Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-26 Log #34 Final Action: Reject( 3.3.23.1 External Pressure Relief Valve )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Delete definition. 3.3.23.1 External Pressure Relief Valve. A relief valve tht is located entirely outside the container connection excerpt the threaded portion, which is screwed into the container connection, and that has all of its parts exposed to the atmo-sphere.Substantiation: This definition was added during the 2002 MOS process and is not necessary because it is not used within the body of the text.

Committee Meeting Action: RejectCommittee Statement: See Committee Action on 1192-25 ( Log #33).Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-27 Log #35 Final Action: Reject( 3.3.23.4 Internal Spring-Type Pressure Relief Valve )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Delete definition. 3.3.23.4 Internal Spring-Type Pressure Relief Valve. A relief valve in which only the spring and stem are within the container connection, and the spring and stem are not exposed to the atmosphere.Substantiation: This definition was added during the 2002 MOS process and is not necessary because it is not used within the body of the text.Committee Meeting Action: RejectCommittee Statement: See Committee Action on 1192-25 (Log #33).Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-28 Log #36 Final Action: Accept( 3.3.27 Tank )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Delete the existing definition and replace it with the fol-lowing: Tank. A container constructed in accordance with the Section VIII, “Rules for the Construction of Unfired Pressure Vessels” of the Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code.Substantiation: NFPA requested these preferred definitions be accepted so as to be consistent throughout the National Fire Codes. However, the meaning, when applied to RV applications does not work as well as the original 1999 (secondary) definition.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-29 Log #CP9 Final Action: Accept( 3.3.27.1 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Technical Committee on Recreational VehiclesRecommendation: Revise definition as follows: Camping Trailer. A vehicular portable unit that is mounted on wheels and constructed with collapsible partial side walls that fold for towing by another vehicle and unfold at the campsite to provide temporary living quarters for rec-reational, camping, or travel use.Substantiation: All other RV definitions (motorhomes, T.T., 5th wheel) All RVʼs are portable therefore it is an unnecessary term.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-30 Log #37 Final Action: Reject( 3.3.30 Tubing )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Delete the existing definition and replace it with the fol-lowing: Tubing. Semi-rigid (e.g., copper tubing) materials of the gas system.Substantiation: NFPA requested these preferred definitions be accepted so as to be consistent throughout the National Fire Codes. However, the meaning, when applied to RV applications does not work as well as the original 1999 (secondary) definition.Committee Meeting Action: RejectCommittee Statement: The existing definition is adequate.Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

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Report on Proposals — Copyright, NFPA NFPA 1192 ________________________________________________________________1192-31 Log #CP2 Final Action: Accept( 3.4 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Technical Committee on Recreational VehiclesRecommendation: Combine the definitions of 3.3 and 3.4 into Section 3.3.Substantiation: The combination of the definitions is more appropriate now that a plumbing chapter has been added to NFPA 1192.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-32 Log #38 Final Action: Accept( 3.4.12.3 Continuous Waste )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Add the following definition as new 3.4.12.3. 3.4.12.3 Continuous Waste. A drain connecting the compartments of a set of fixtures to a trap or connecting other permitted fixtures to a common trap.Substantiation: This definition existed in the 1999 edition of ANSI A119.2 but was inadvertently omitted in the publication of the 2002 edition.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-33 Log #39 Final Action: Accept( 3.4.24.4 Vent System )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Relocate existing Vent System (waste) definition to be a new subcategory of 3.4.32 vent.Substantiation: This definition was moved during the 2002 MOS process, and should be located under vent section 3.4.32.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-34 Log #40 Final Action: Accept( 3.4.24.5 Water Distribution System )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Delete the term “permanently” from the sentence. 3.4.24.5 Water Distribution System. The potable water piping within or per-manently attached to the recreational vehicle.Substantiation: There exists no definition for the term permanent and there-fore this requirement is unenforceable and vague.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-35 Log #41 Final Action: Accept( 3.4.26.4 Toilet - Trap Arm )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Rephrase the title to read: “Toilet - Trap Arm”.Substantiation: This title was changed during the 2002 MOS process, and should be rephrased, since there is no such components as a toilet trap arm.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-36 Log #CP10 Final Action: Accept( 4.3.3 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Technical Committee on Recreational VehiclesRecommendation: Delete the word “adequate” from the paragraph.Substantiation: Under the NFPA manual of style, Table 2.2.2.3 identifies that the term “adequate” is unenforceable and vague. Committee Meeting Action: Accept

Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-37 Log #42 Final Action: Reject( 4.4 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Revise 4.4 to read as follows: 4.4 Electrical Requirements. All 120V electrical installations, systems, and equipments shall comply with 4.4.1. Article 551, Parts I and III through VI, of NFPA 70, National Electrical Code. All low voltage electrical installations, systems, and equipment shall comply with ANSI/RVIA 12V, “Low Voltage Systems in Conversion and Recreational Vehicles.” 4.4.1 Insert NEC Article 551: Sections I, III, IV, V, VI plus all applicable 120V definitions from Section 551.2 into ANSI A119.2 as new paragraph 4.4.1.Substantiation: This would allow the NFPA 1192/ANSI A119.2 Standard to contain all 120V RV requirements, without referring to the NEC Article 551.Committee Meeting Action: RejectCommittee Statement:While extracting the information may be beneficial for the end user. There are too many requirements that may be omited from other parts of the NEC that may cause confusionNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-38 Log #43 Final Action: Reject( 4.4.1 (New) )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Insert 551 sections I, III, IV, V, VI plus applicable RV definitions from section II directly ANSI A119.2.Substantiation: Per the NFPA MOS, this is an acceptable procedure and would allow the NFPA 1192/ANSI A119.2 to incorporate all the 120V require-ments, without referring to the NEC.Committee Meeting Action: RejectCommittee Statement:While extracting the information may be beneficial for the end user. There are too many requirements that may be omited from other parts of the NEC that may cause confusionNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-39 Log #124 Final Action: Reject( Chapter 5 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Joseph M. Bloom, Bloom Fire InvestigationRecommendation: Dispensing, transfer, or any other method of supplying or providing gasoline or other motor fuels for vehicle use shall not be permitted. This does not apply to the tank providing fuel for a motor home engine.Substantiation:An option in some fifth wheel trailers is a gas tank with dis-pensing pump and hose, and a direct nearby open door to the interior.Committee Meeting Action: RejectCommittee Statement: The submitter is encouraged to identify a specific paragraph for revision.Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 18 Negative: 1 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEEExplanation of Negative: BLOOM: This is not revision material, and the committee may find it appro-priate to add a section to the document.Dispensing of flammable liquids by untrained persons, minors without ade-quate supervision, or an accident cannot be prevented.Firefighters may not be aware that a fuel-dispensing tank is located under a trailer and are subject to severe burn injuries or death in the event of a rupture while aggressively extinguishing a fire.

________________________________________________________________1192-40 Log #125 Final Action: Reject( Chapter 5 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Joseph M. Bloom, Bloom Fire InvestigationRecommendation: Gasoline or motor fuel tanks not intended specifically for a generator shall not be permitted in trailer applications.Substantiation: An option in some trailers is a gas tank with dispensing pump which transfers gasoline to ATVʼs, motorcycles, etc.

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Report on Proposals — Copyright, NFPA NFPA 1192 Committee Meeting Action: RejectCommittee Statement: The submitter is encouraged to identify a specific paragraph for revision.Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 18 Negative: 1 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEEExplanation of Negative: BLOOM: See my Explanation of Negative on 1192-39 (Log #124).

________________________________________________________________1192-41 Log #45 Final Action: Accept( 5.2.1(1) )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Delete the phrase “non permanently mounted” from the sentence. One but not more than three nopermanently mounted cylinders having indi-vidual water capacities of 105 lb (47.6 kg) maximum [approximately 45 lb (20.4 kg) LP-Gas capacity].Substantiation: The phrase is unnecessary and is undefined and therefore unenforceable.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-42 Log #46 Final Action: Accept in Part( 5.2.1(2) )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Delete the phrase “permanently mounted” from the sen-tence. One but not more than three permanently mounted tanks having a maximum aggregate water capacity of 200 gal (757 L) maximum [approximately 672 lb (323 kg) LP-Gas capacity]Substantiation: The phrase is unnecessary and is undefined and therefore unenforceable.Committee Meeting Action: Accept in PartRevise paragraph to read:One or more permanently mounted tanks having a maximum aggregate water capacity of 200 gal (0.8m3). maximum [approximately 672 lb (323 kg) LP-Gas capacity]Committee Statement:The committee accepts the deletion of the term “per-manently mounted” however no substantiation has been provided for limiting to three tanks.The deletion of the maximum weight reference because tanks are filled by vol-ume not by weight.Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-43 Log #CP11 Final Action: Accept( 5.2.3 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Technical Committee on Recreational VehiclesRecommendation: Revise 5.2.3 as follows: 5.2.3 Location of LP-Gas Containers. LP-Gas containers shall be in accor-dance with 5.2.3.1 through 5.2.3.4 5.2.3.1 LP-Gas containers that do not meet the provisions of 5.2.3.2 shall not be installed nor shall provisions be made for installing or storing any LP-Gas containers, even temporarily, inside any recreational vehicle. 5.2.3.2 New LP-Gas cylinders that have never contained LP-Gas and are supplied as original equipment shall be permitted to be transported inside the vehicle. 5.2.3.3 LP-Gas containers with their control valves shall be installed in com-pliance with one of the following:(a) In a recess or compartment other than on the roof that is vaportight to the inside of the recreational vehicle.(b) Mounted on the tongue or A-frame of a travel or camping trailer or forward of the front bulkhead below the overhang of a fifth wheel trailer and not lower than the bottom of the trailer frame. 5.2.3.4 Containers shall not be mounted on the exterior of the rear wall or the rear bumper of the vehicle.Substantiation: Reorganized for clarity.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

Comment on Affirmative: HOPKINS: Existing parts 5.2.3 (2)(c)&(d) were inadvertently omitted and should have been included in this proposal, with necessary Manual of Style changes also made to these sections.

________________________________________________________________1192-44 Log #47 Final Action: Accept( 5.2.5 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Change title to 5.2.5 Heat Shielding of LP Containers and Piping. Add new sentence as follows: Propane gas piping located less than 4 1/2 in. from the exhaust system, trans-mission, or heat producing component of the primary mover engine shall be shielded by a vehicle frame member or by a noncombustible baffle, with an air space on both sides of the frame member or baffle.Substantiation: Currently there is no requirement to prevent LP piping from being right next to exhaust components.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 18 Negative: 1 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEEExplanation of Negative: BUDICA: Change “4 1/2 inches” to “12 inches”Reason: Future piping may have materials and/or protective coverings other than copper and iron. If plastic or rubberized product is used will be affected at 4 1/2 inches without shielding. Changing from 4 1/2 inches to 12 inches will ensure no effects to materials. If closer than 12 inches, shielding will be required. Also, this will help compensate for any primary engine movement when torqued and untorqued.Change “primary mover engine” to “heat generating engine or device with fuel burning intake/exhaust”Reason: Current wording only designates the main engine, but does not account for an auxiliary generator or devices such as “Aqua-hot” type hot water heat-ers. The hot exhaust pipes of these devices would also require shielding.Comment on Affirmative: LIVINGSTON: Required clearance is too arbitrary and not based on sound substantiation/testing. Heat generated from an exhaust pipe or muffler in the system is different from heat generated from a catalytic converter, for example. Positioning an LP-gas pipe within 4 1/2 inches from a catalytic converter may not provide enough cooling from air circulation. There is no substantiation for this measurement.The type of baffle is not spcific enough because temperature value have not been established. This action requires further testing under real-world condi-tions.

________________________________________________________________1192-45 Log #48 Final Action: Accept( 5.2.6.1 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Replace 2nd and 3rd sentence with this sentence: The compartment shall be ventilated with at least two vents, each having an aggregate free area equal to at least 0.5 in2 for each 7 lb (0.5 cm2 per 500 g) of the total propane fuel capacity of the maximum number of the largest cylinders the compartment can hold.Substantiation: The current 3rd sentence is confusing since it implies the venting at the top and bottom must be equal. This new language is more understandable.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-46 Log #1 Final Action: Accept( 5.2.7.2 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Jerome A. Hoover, Monaco Coach CorporationRecommendation: Revise text to read as follows: 5.2.7.2 The manual control of the tankʼs shutoff valve, the LP-Gas fill con-nection, and the liquid level outage valve of permanently installed tanks shall be located not more than 18 in. (457 mm) from the vehicleʼs outside wall. The LP Gas fill connection and its liquid level outage valve shall be located in accordance with like requirements for LP Gas pressure relief valves (see 5.2.8.3). Exception: Vehicles shall be permitted to be equipped with a remotely con-trolled normally closed electronic shutoff valve installed within 9 in. (228 mm) of the outlet of the tankʼs shutoff valve using piping and tubing. A double backflow check valve shall be installed in the fill opening of the tank. The

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Report on Proposals — Copyright, NFPA NFPA 1192 remote fill connection, liquid level outage valve, and electronic shutoff valve control shall be located within 18 in. (457 mm) of the vehicle outside wall. and shall be located in accordance with like requirements for LP-Gas pressure relief valves (see 5.2.8.3).Substantiation: Filling the LPG tank is an attended process and is accom-plished through a positive mechanical connection with minimal discharge of vapor from the liquid level outage valve when the volume of LPG in the tank reaches 80 percent, and minimal discharge of vapor when the refueling hose is disconnected from the fill connection. The volume is much smaller than the volume of unintended, and unpredictable discharge of LPG due to expansion from the pressure relief valve cited in 5.2.8.3. The standard (5.9.2.2) also requires instructions that are posted at the LPG and engine fuel fill locations, stating to turn off all pilot lights, appliances, and their igniters before refueling. Because; 1) Tank filling is attended and pressure relief is unattended, 2) Tank filling results in minimal, anticipated discharge and pressure relief results in considerable, unexpected discharge, and 3) Tank filling requires ignition sources be extinguished while pressure relief most often occurs with ignition sources present, then the 3 ft. minimum distance requirements for pressure relief valves is not necessary for LPG fill connections, or liquid level outage valves.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-47 Log #50 Final Action: Accept( 5.2.7.2 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: In the exception, change the term “electronic” to “electri-cally operated” in two places.Substantiation: Editorial - These shutoff valves have no “electronic” compo-nents.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-48 Log #49 Final Action: Accept( 5.2.7.2 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Delete the phrase “permanently installed” within the first sentence. The manual control of the tankʼs shutoff valve, the LP-Gas fill connection, and the liquid level outage valve of permanently installed tanks shall be located not more than 18 in. (457 mm) from the vehicleʼs outside wall.Substantiation: The phrase “permanently installed” is unnecessary and unde-fined and therefore is unenforceable.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-49 Log #51 Final Action: Accept in Principle( 5.2.7.2 Exception )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: In the Exception, revise the second sentence to read: A double backflow check valve shall be installed both in the tankʼs fill open-ing and in the remote fill valve for of the tank.Substantiation: This prevents gas accumulation in the remote fill piping from being released into the atmosphere after filling.Committee Meeting Action: Accept in PrincipleA double backflow check valve shall be installed in the tankʼs fill opening and a single check or double check filler valve in the remote fill connection of the tank.Committee Statement:There is no reason to require a double check valve on the remote fill as one is already required on the tank.Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-50 Log #CP13 Final Action: Accept( 5.2.7.2, 5.2.7.3 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Technical Committee on Recreational VehiclesRecommendation: Revise current 5.2.7.2 as follows: 5.2.7.2 Location of Tank Appurtenances. The manual control of the tankʼs shutoff valve, the LP-Gas fill connection, and the liquid level outage valve of permanently installed tanks shall be located not more than 18 in. (457 mm) from the vehicleʼs outside wall. The LP-Gas fill connection and its liquid level outage valve shall be located in accordance with like requirements for LP-Gas pressure relief valves (see 5.2.8.3). Exception: 5.2.7.3 Location of Remote Controlled Appurtenances. 5.2.7.3.1 Vehicles shall be permitted to be equipped with a remotely con-trolled normally closed electronic shutoff valve installed within 9 in. (228 mm) of the outlet of the tankʼs shutoff valve using piping or tubing. 5.2.7.3.2 A double backflow check valve shall be installed in the fill opening of the tank. 5.2.7.3.3 The remote fill connection, liquid level outage valve, and electronic shutoff valve control shall be located within 18 in. (457 mm) of the vehicle outside wall and shall be located in accordance with like requirements for LP-Gas pressure relief valves (see 5.2.8.3). Renumber the rest of the section accordingly.

Substantiation: Manual of Style revision.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEEComment on Affirmative: MCTIER: Correct the final version of 5.2.7.2 and 5.2.7.3 as follows:5.2.7.2 5.2.7.2 Location of Tank Appurtenances. The manual control of the tankʼs tank shutoff valve, the LP-Gas propane fill connection, and the fixed maximum liquid level outage valve gauge shall be located in accordance with like requirements for LP-Gas pressure relief valves (see 5.2.8.3) so that the discharge from these devices shall be not less than 3 ft (0.9 m) measured horizontally along the surface of the vehicle from openings into the recreational vehicle, propane burning appliance intake and exhaust vents, and all internal combustion engine exhaust terminations.5.2.7.3 Location of Remote Controlled Appurtenances.5.2.7.3.1 Vehicles shall be permitted to be equipped with a remotely controlled normally closed electronic electrically operated shutoff valve installed within 9 in. (228 mm) of the outlet of the tankʼs tank shutoff valve using piping or tubing.5.2.7.3.2 A double backflow check filler valve shall be installed in the fill opening of the tank.5.2.7.3.3 The remote fill connection, the fixed maximum liquid level outage valve gauge, and electronic the electrically operated shutoff valve control shall be located within 18 in. (457 mm) of the vehicle outside wall and shall be located in accordance with 5.2.7.2.Substantiation: this revised version covers the previous accepted proposals including the consistent names for equipment.

________________________________________________________________1192-51 Log #52 Final Action: Accept( 5.2.7.4 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Revise text to read as follows: Containers shall be equipped with a listed overfilling prevention device. Cylinders with a 4 - lb through 40 - lb propane capacity shall be equipped with a listed overfilling prevention device and a CGA 791 (Type 1, 1-5/16 in. Acme) outlet as described in Compressed Gas Association (CGA) V-1, Compressed Gas Cylinder Valve Outlet and Inlet Connections.Substantiation: All containers on RVs should have overfill prevention devic-es. The current language would allow a 45 lb cylinder (available) to not have an OPD.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-52 Log #53 Final Action: Accept( 5.2.7.6 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Add new first sentence to 5.2.7.6 as follows: First stage regulators shall have an outlet pressure setting up to 10.0 psi (69 kPa) in accordance with UL 144, Standard for LP-Gas Regulators.

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Report on Proposals — Copyright, NFPA NFPA 1192 Substantiation: Separate first stage regulators have a maximum nominal out-let pressure.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-53 Log #54 Final Action: Accept( 5.2.7.6 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Revise the existing first sentence to read: A listed two-stage regulator system or an integral two-stage regulator listed to the requirements of UL 144, Standard for LP-Gas Regulators...”Substantiation: Editorial, to clarify the appropriate listing standard.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-54 Log #55 Final Action: Accept( 5.2.7.6 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Revise fifth sentence as follows: “...shall have a 1 in.2 (6.5 cm2) minimum and 2 in.2 (12.9 cm2) maximum vent opening to the exterior.Substantiation: Limiting the size of this vent will prevent the vent itself becoming large enough to allow water/ice etc. in, compromising the intent of the regulator compartment.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-55 Log #56 Final Action: Accept( 5.2.7.7 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Revise the title of 5.2.7.7 to read: 5.2.7.7 LP-Gas Shutoff Valves, Excess Flow Valves and Back Check Valves.Substantiation: Editorial. 2005 code change is being submitted under 5.2.7.7(2) new (d) to address back check valves, so the title of 5.2.7.7 should be changed if accepted.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-56 Log #57 Final Action: Accept( 5.2.7.7(1) )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Delete the phrase “permanently mounted” in the first sen-tence. (1) Permanently mounted Tanks shall require a manual shutoff valve equipped with a listed internal excess flow valve that is designed to close automatically at the rated closing flow of vapor or liquid specified by the manufacturer.Substantiation: The phrase is unnecessary, since this requirement would apply to permanent or non-permanent tanks.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-57 Log #58 Final Action: Accept( 5.2.7.7(1) )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Revise 5.2.7.7(1) to read as follows: (1) Tanks shall require a manual shutoff valve equipped with an internal excess flow valve listed to the requirements of UL 125, Valves for Anhydrous Ammonia and LP-Gas (Other than Safety Relief)...”Substantiation: Editorial.Committee Meeting Action: Accept

Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-58 Log #59 Final Action: Accept in Principle( 5.2.7.7(2) )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Revise 5.2.7.7(2) to read as follows: (2) The mating connection shall be listed to the requirements of UL 2061, Standard for Adapters & Cylinder Connection Devices for Portable LP-Gas Cylinder Assemblies, 1997 and installed with in the regulator furnished and with the vehicle as follows:Substantiation: Editorial, to clarify the appropriate listing standard.Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Remove the date reference for the standard.Committee Statement: Editorial.Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEEComment on Affirmative: MCTIER: Delete the phrase –“with in the regulator furnished and with the vehicle” in 5.2.7.7 (2).Substantiation: The mating connection is not necessarily required to be installed only in the regulator.

PABIAN: The date of the standard be deleted from the code text as the refer-enced standard in Chapter 2 contains the date. This is consistant with the other referenced standards in 1192.

________________________________________________________________1192-59 Log #60 Final Action: Accept in Principle( 5.2.7.7(2)(d) )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Add (d) as follows: (d) The mating connection to the regulator inlet shall be provided with a back check valve.Substantiation: High pressure discharge will occur when the mating connec-tion to the cylinder valve is disconnected for cylinder refilling. Potential exists for the cylinder still attached to a changeover regulator to discharge if the changeover regulator lever is not rotated to the connected cylinder as required for proper operation. There is a nuisance issue with the excess flow valve operation when larger volumes must equalize pressure to open the excess flow valve.Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Revise the proposal to read: (d) Each mating connection to the automatic changeover regulator inlets shall be provided with a backflow check valve.Committee Statement: Revised for clarity as to the appropriate location of backflow check valves. The revision also clarifies that automatic changeover regulators need the protection to prevent unintended flow of gas in the event the manual lever is not turned to the appropriate position. Therefore this does not apply to single container two-stage regulation systems. Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-60 Log #3 Final Action: Accept in Principle( 5.2.7.7(b) )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Joel Creek, Skyline CorporationRecommendation: Revise text to read as follows: (b) The mating connection to the cylinder valve shall also incorporate a listed excess flow valve that will close at a flow not greater than 200 ft3/hr at 100 psi (5.66 m3/hr at 69 689 kPa) and has a bypass area that will not allow a flow greater than 10 ft3 100 psi (28 28 m3/hr at 69 689 kPa).Substantiation: The conversion from 10 ft3/hr to 28 m3 and 100 psi to 69 kPa are not correct. The conversion is 10 ft3/hr equals 28 m3/hr and 100 psi equals 689 kPa. Note: Supporting material is available for review at NFPA Headquarters.Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Revise the correction as follows: (b) The mating connection to the cylinder valve shall also incorporate a listed excess flow valve that will close at a flow not greater than 200 ft3/hr at 100 psi (5.66 m3/hr at 689 kPa) and has a bypass area that will not allow a flow greater than 10 ft3/hr at 100 psi (0.28 m3/hr at 689 kPa).

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Report on Proposals — Copyright, NFPA NFPA 1192 Committee Statement: The committee accepts the change and found that the underlined corrections were also necessary.Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-61 Log #61 Final Action: Accept( 5.2.8.2 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Revise the first paragraph to read: 5.2.8.2 Regulator Pressure Relief Valves. 5.2.8.2.1 A separate first stage of a two-stage regulator system shall incorpo-rate an integral pressure relief valve having a start-to-discharge setting within the limits specified in UL 144, Standard for LP-Gas Regulators. 5.2.8.2.2 The second stage of a two-stage regulator system shall be equipped with one or both of the following: (1)... (2)...Substantiation: Separate first stage regulators require separate pressure relief valves.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-62 Log #62 Final Action: Reject( 5.2.9.2 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Revise as follows: Permanent exterior warning labels with the word “WARNING” with mini-mum 1/4 in. (6 mm) high letters and body text with minimum 1/8 in. (3 mm) high letters on a contrasting background shall be affixed to the appliance or appliance compartment and at the fuel source in a visible location indicating the following:Substantiation: Adding this language will standardize this code refer-ence with all other labels that was changed in the 2002 edition by the NFPA Technical Committee Task Group on labels.Committee Meeting Action: RejectCommittee Statement: The committee could not determine the necessary wording for the label because the appliance manufacturer must determine the specific language to be used.Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-63 Log #63 Final Action: Accept( 5.2.9.3 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Delete the existing last sentence, and add a new last sen-tence as shown. Then move the entire existing 5.2.9.3 to 5.2.3. 5.2.9.3 Mounting of LP-Gas Containers. Container openings for vapor with-drawal shall be located in the vapor space when the container is in service or shall be provided with a permanent internal withdrawal tube that communicates with the vapor space in or near the highest point in the container when it is mounted in service position with the vehicle on a level surface. Tanks shall have vapor withdrawal located midway between tank ends. Each cylinder shall be permanently and legibly stamped to show the correct mounting posi-tion. Stamping shall be 1/4 in. (6 mm) minimum letter height. The method of mounting in place shall be such as to minimize the possibility of an incorrect positioning of the cylinder. The cylinder shall incorporate a method of mount-ing that keeps the cylinder in the position it was designed to be used.Substantiation: The existing sentence is unenforceable. The new language is more specific. Moving the requirement to 5.2.3 keeps this requirement affili-ated with other cylinder requirements.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEEComment on Affirmative: MCTIER: Revise the new last sentence of 5.2.9.3 to add clarity as follows:“The cylinder shall incorporate a method of mounting that keeps the cylinder in the a position it was designed to be used for its designed use.The MOS task force will address the MOS problem of having more than one requirement in a single paragraph.

_______________________________________________________________1192-64 Log #118 Final Action: Accept( 5.3 through 5.3.6 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Matthew Brick, Skyline Corp.Recommendation: Delete Section 5.3 Fuel Oil Supply for Heat Producing Appliances. Delete the entire sections 5.3.1 through 5.3.6.Substantiation: Are fuel oil requirements applicable for use in recreational vehicles per the definition of recreational vehicles? Fuel oil is for units set on sites with more permanence such as park trailers. Appliances need to be listed for use in recreational vehicles, are fuel oil appliances listed? LP gas is available nationwide and bottled for “travel” use. The elimination of fuel oil requirements will reduce the size of Chapter 5 by removing information that manufacturers do not use.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-65 Log #64 Final Action: Accept in Principle( 5.4.2 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Add anew sentence after exist first sentence of (1) as fol-lows: Wrought iron pipe used on the high pressure side of the regulator shall be Schedule 80. Add new sentence after existing first sentence of (2) as follows: Wrought iron fittings used on the high pressure side of the regulator shall be Schedule 80.Substantiation: Schedule 80 wrought iron pipe is required by NFPA 58, Table 3.2.15.3(a), 1998 edition when iron pipe is used for high pressure applications.Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Revise to read as follows: (1) Schedule 80 steel or wrought iron pipe shall be used where system pres-sure exceeds 125psig. (2) Schedule 80 steel or wrought iron fittings or forged brass fittings shall be used where system pressure exceeds 125psig. Committee Statement: The committee determined that other materials needed to be identified, and a pressure value needed to be specified. Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-66 Log #65 Final Action: Accept( 5.4.2 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Revise the third sentence as follows: The system shall be made of materials having a melting point of not less than 1450°F (788°C), except as provided in 5.4.2(6), 5.4.5, 5.4.6, 5.4.11 and 5.4.12, or of materials (used in piping or fittings) listed for the specific use intended.Substantiation: The added two references are needed to show other areas of the standard that permit materials to have a melting point less than 1000 degrees.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-67 Log #66 Final Action: Accept( 5.4.4 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Delete the words “one of” and add an “s” as shown in the second sentence: Conformance shall be permitted to be determined on the basis of test, or the gas piping system shall be permitted to be sized in accordance with one of Tables 5.4.4(a) through Table 5.4.4(d) or other approved method.Substantiation: More than one table is often needed for determining system design and compliance.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

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Report on Proposals — Copyright, NFPA NFPA 1192 ________________________________________________________________1192-68 Log #119 Final Action: Reject( 5.4.4 (a), (b), (c), and (d) )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Matthew Brick, Skyline Corp.Recommendation: Tables 5.4.4(a), (b), (c), and (d) sizing of low pressure gas piping and tubing. Revise to include maximum lengths over 40 ft–0 in. up to 50 ft–0 in. After reviewing National Fuel Gas Code, NFPA 54, 1999 Pipe/Tubing sizing tables (9.26) and (9.28), the BTUH values for LP only systems (piping and semi-rigid tubing) have changed. I assume Tables 5.4.4(a), (b), (c), and (d) were derived from earlier NFPA 54 standards as they coincide with NFPA 54, 1988 Tables (C-16) and (C-17).

Table 5.4.4(a) Sizing of Low-Pressure Gas Piping Systems Maximum Capacity of Iron Pipe Sizes in Thousands of Btu per Hour Combination of LP-Gas/Natural Gas System

Nominal Iron Pipe Size

(I.D.)

Length of Piping

m ft m ft m ft m ft m ft m ft m ft m ftmm in. 3.1 10 4.6 15 6.1 20 7.6 25 9.2 30 10.7 35 12.2 40 15.2 50

6 1/4 13.1 43 10 33 8.8 29 8.2 27 7.3 24 6.7 22 6.1 20 1810 3/8 29 95 23.5 77 19.8 65 17.4 57 15.9 52 14.9 49 13.7 45 4013 1/2 53 175 41 135 37 120 33 108 29.6 97 27.5 90 25 82 7319 3/4 110 360 85 279 76 250 69 225 61 200 57 186 52 170 15125 1 207 680 163 536 142 465 123 404 114 375 101 330 98 320 285

Table 5.4.4(b) Sizing of Low-Pressure Gas Piping Systems Maximum Capacity of Semi-Rigid Tubing in Thousands of Btu per Hour Combination of LP-Gas/Natural Gas System

Nominal Iron Pipe Size (I.D.)

Length of Piping

mm in. m ft m ft m ft m ft m ft m ft m ft m ftI.D. O.D. I.D. O.D. 3.1 10 4.6 15 6.1 20 7.6 25 9.2 30 10.7 35 12.2 40 15.2 50

6 10 1/2 3/8 8.2 27 6.4 21 5.5 18 4.9 16 4.6 15 4.3 14 4 13 1110 13 3/8 1/2 17.1 56 12.8 42 11.6 38 10.4 34 9.5 31 8.5 28 7.9 26 2313 16 1/2 5/8 34 113 26.2 86 23.8 78 21.3 70 18.9 62 18 59 16.2 53 4716 19 5/8 3/4 60 197 48 157 41 136 37 122 33 109 30 99 28.4 93 8319 22 3/4 7/8 85 280 69 227 59 193 52 172 47 155 43 141 40 132 117

Table 5.4.4(c) Sizing of Low-Pressure Gas Piping Systems Maximum Capacity of Iron Pipe Sizes in Thousands of Btu per Hour LP-Gas SystemNominal Iron Pipe Size (I.D.)

Length of Piping

m ft m ft m ft m ft m ft m ft m ft m ftmm in. 3.1 10 4.6 15 6.1 20 7.6 25 9.2 30 10.7 35 12.2 40 15.2 50

6 1/4 20.4 67 15.9 52 14 46 12.5 41 11.3 37 10.4 34 9.5 3110 3/8 45 147 34 112 31 101 26.5 87 24.7 81 22.6 74 21.3 7013 1/2 84 275 65 212 58 189 51 166 46 152 42 138 39 12919 3/4 173 567 152 500 120 393 103 338 96 315 84 276 81 26725 1 326 1071 306 1005 223 732 203 667 180 590 162 530 154 504

Table 5.4.4(d) Sizing of Low-Pressure Gas Piping Systems Maximum Capacity of Semi-Rigid Tubing in Thousands of Btu per Hour LP-Gas SystemNominal Iron Pipe Size

(I.D.)Length of Piping

mm in. m ft m ft m ft m ft m ft m ft m ft m ftI.D. O.D. I.D. O.D. 3.1 10 4.6 15 6.1 20 7.6 25 9.2 30 10.7 35 12.2 40 15.2 50

6 10 1/4 3/8 11.9 39 9.8 32 7.9 26 7 23 6.4 21 5.9 19.5 5.8 1910 13 3/8 1/2 28.1 92 21.9 72 18.9 62 17.1 56 15.3 50 13.7 45 12.5 4113 16 1/2 5/8 61 199 49 159 40 131 36 118 33 107 28.7 94 27.5 9016 19 5/8 3/4 100 329 76 249 66 216 59 193 55 181 47 154 55 14519 22 3/4 7/8 155 501 116 380 106 546 91 300 84 277 75 246 71 233

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Substantiation: Some larger units especially those with one or more slide-outs may exceed these tables and we must size them according to the National Fuel Gas Code (NFPA 54). It would be helpful to have lengths in these tables up to 50 ft—0 in. as in the CSA Z240 RV Series-99, Z240.4.2-99. Please inform manufacturers of value changes in LP only systems if changed in Tables 5.4.4(c) and (d). Note: Supporting material is available for review at NFPA Headquarters.Committee Meeting Action: RejectCommittee Statement: The proposed tables contain columns that appear to be missing information and some sizing errors. Without this information the committee cannot accept the proposal.Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEEComment on Affirmative: MCTIER: Tables 5.4.4 (a), (b), (c), and (d) are not clear and are obsolete compared to the new tables now shown in both NFPA 58 and NFPA 54. The tables that should meet the requirements for NFPA 1192 should be extracted from NFPA 58—2001 Edition and they are as follows:1. Table 12.3—Pipe Sizing Between Second Stage Regulator and Appliance: Nominal Pipe Size2. Table 12.7—Copper Tube Sizing Between Second-Stage Regulator and Appliance: Outside Diameter Copper Tubing, Type K3. Table 12.10—Copper Tube Sizing Between Second-Stage Regulator and Appliance: Outside Diameter Copper Tubing, Type L4. Table 12.14—Maximum Capacity of CSST in Thousands of Btu per Hour of Undiluted Propane at a Pressure of 11 in. Water Column and a Pressure Drop of 0.5 in. Water Column (based on 1.52 specific gravity gas)In addition we can reference the other (13) Tables shown in Chapter 12 of NFPA 58. The information is the same for propane in both NFPA 58—2001 Edition and NFPA 54—2002 Edition.

________________________________________________________________1192-69 Log #67 Final Action: Accept in Principle( 5.4.8 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Add an “s” to the word “roof” in the first sentence as shown: Tubing shall not be run inside walls, floors, partitions, or roofs, except that 1/4 in. (6 mm) O.D. tubing shall be permitted to be concealed provided it is enclosed with a metallic covering of thickness equivalent to the thickness of the tubing enclosed.Substantiation: Editorial. There are often more than one roof on a RV, espe-cially those with slide-out feature.Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Keep the “s” Change the word roof to ceilingsCommittee Statement: Better clarifies the intent of the restrictionNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-70 Log #68 Final Action: Accept( 5.4.8 )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Delete end of first sentence as follows: ...or roof, except that 1/4 in. (6 mm) O.D. tubing shall be permitted to be con-cealed provided it is enclosed in a metallic covering of thickness equivalent to the thickness of the tubing enclosed.Substantiation: These materials are not needed or used in modern RV con-structions. This language goes all the way back to gas light installations.Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

________________________________________________________________1192-71 Log #69 Final Action: Reject( 5.4.11 (New) )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Kent Perkins, RVIARecommendation: Add a new paragraph as follows: 5.4.11 Special Requirement for High Pressure Piping. Piping exposed to a working pressure over 30 psi shall be sloped 1/8 in/ft toward the propane con-tainer. The high pressure fuel system shall be located entirely on the exterior of the vehicle or in a compartment vaportight to the vehicle interior.Substantiation: See NFPA 58, 3.2.15.5. The recondensation of propane vapor back into liquid can enter the regulator if the piping is not sloped. In a worse case scenario, this could cause complete failure of the regulator.Committee Meeting Action: RejectCommittee Statement: See Committee Action on 1192- (CP #6).Number Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEE

Table 9.26 Pipe Sizing Between Single or Second Stage (Low-Pressure Regulator) and ApplianceNominal Pipe Size, Schedule 40

Pipe Length (ft)

1/2 in.0.622

3/4 in.0.824

1 in.1.049

1 1/4 in.1.38

1 1/2 in.1.61

2 in.2.067

3 in.3.068

3 1/2 in.3.548

4 in.4.026

10 291 608 1146 2353 3525 6789 19130 28008 3901820 200 418 788 1617 2423 4666 13148 19250 2681730 161 336 632 1299 1946 3747 10558 15458 2153540 137 287 541 1111 1665 3207 9036 13230 1843150 122 255 480 985 1476 2842 8009 11726 1633560 110 231 435 892 1337 2575 7256 10625 1480180 94 198 372 764 1144 2204 6211 9093 12668100 84 175 330 677 1014 1954 5504 8059 11227125 74 155 292 600 899 1731 4878 7143 9950150 67 141 265 544 815 1569 4420 6472 9016200 58 120 227 465 697 1343 3783 5539 7716250 51 107 201 412 618 1190 3353 4909 6839300 46 97 182 374 560 1078 3038 4448 6196350 43 89 167 344 515 992 2795 4092 5701400 40 83 156 320 479 923 2600 3807 5303

Table 9.28 Copper Tube Sizing Between Single or Second Stage (Low-Pressure Regulator) and Appliance. Maximum undiluted pro-pane capacities are based on an 11 in. water column setting and a

0.5 in. water column pressure drop. Capacities in 1000 Btu/hr.Outside Diameter Copper Tubing, Type L

Tubing Length

(ft)

3/8 in.0.315

1/2 in.0.430

5/8 in.0.545

3/4 in.

0.666

7/8 in.0.785

10 49 110 206 348 53620 34 76 141 239 36830 27 61 114 192 29640 23 52 97 164 25350 20 46 86 146 22460 19 42 78 132 20380 16 36 67 113 174

100 14 32 59 100 154125 12 28 52 89 137150 11 26 48 80 124200 10 22 41 69 106250 9 19 36 61 94300 8 18 33 55 85350 7 16 30 51 78400 7 15 28 47 73

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Report on Proposals — Copyright, NFPA NFPA 1192 ________________________________________________________________1192-72 Log #CP6 Final Action: Accept( 5.4.11 (New) )________________________________________________________________Submitter: Technical Committee on Recreational VehiclesRecommendation: Add a new paragraph as follows: Propane system pressure shall be regulated to 25 psi or less within 24 inches of the container outlet. Substantiation: This language adds additional safety to propane systems by limiting the length of high-pressure piping systems. Committee Meeting Action: AcceptNumber Eligible to Vote: 24Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Vote Not Returned: 5 ARNOLD, JAEGER, LANNING, MITTELSTAEDT, YEEComment on Affirmative: MCTIER: Revise new 5.4.11 as follows to more specifically define the requirement:5.4.11 Propane system pressure shall be regulated to 25 psi or less at the con-tainer outlet within 24 inches of the container outlet if the connecting piping or tubing is ov