REINCARNATION Vs RESURRECTION: Skeptic, Pragmatist, Atheist, or Mystic?

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REINCARNATION vs RESURRECTION

Skeptic, Pragmatist, Atheist, or Mystic?

By Jim Sutherland

2014


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Wednesday, January 15, 2014

REINCARNATION Vs RESURRECTION:Skeptic, Pragmatist, Atheist, or Mystic?

None of us can ever know for certain if Wewill return here in a brand new incarnated material body, alatest Modelof ourselves. Possibly even as the opposite gender we left in, or if our same old body will

be resurrected to live again. Will the witnesses watch with surprise, as the remains of our rottingcorpse in the grave crawls out of the Vaultafter upsetting the grave stone on top of the scraggy grass,or winter snows? Or will our ashes and remaining bone fragments that were cremated and poured intoan copper urn magically take their original shape and features as if a Genie floating out of the top of abottle? For if we are to return here to planet Earth materially and physically then our beliefs areunable to interfere with what will occur!

This is a very controversial and convoluted subject to discuss. Be it openly among friends and familyor let alone strangers, religious people, Agnostics, Atheists, Philosophers or with Mystics! And so mayFundamentalist Bible Believers Beware! Closed minds are unable to accept such discussions easily.Save yourself and exit now to read no further!Each to their own,is the easy way to avoidchallenging belief systems or non-belief, whatever that might be, or be not!

For myself, I want to at least set the record straight and to be fair to all. Instead of remaining thehypocrite I was for way too many years, saying one thing and yet secretly believing something elseentirely! I mention on my blog and elsewhere, that I am a firm believer in the possibility ofReincarnation of Soul,and My own especially. Because mine is the only Soul I have any control overor interest in.

Other terminologies for the word Reincarnationfrom the past are: Pre-existence of the Soul (Origen),Metempsychosis (Plato), Nature of the Soul (Socrates), and Transmigration of the Soul(Eastern/Hindu Religion). I could choose to quote from the massive library stores of the many booksavailable, as well as many past and present Celebrities and Philosophers, and from Theologians andMystics who favor the ideal possibility of Reincarnation of Soul.

Of course there are also many and varied methodologies offered up about Reincarnation, such as

"what" part of "us" does reincarnate, and IFit is, after all is said and done, even Real. TheRosicrucianteachingsI studied for about 10 years do have a reasonably coherent teaching about what part of ourSoul does reincarnate, along with the teachings of some Spiritualist groups.

Unbeknownst to most Homosexuals and Lesbians, I can say they were born that wayafter all. Theydidnt suddenly "become" Gay overnight! The most likely case is a case of a slower transition from theopposite gender in their immediatepast life,or even a hangover of other lives more distant. (Thisaspect could be another complete Article in itself worthy of future consideration on these pages.)

So without quoting others here or plagiarizing any particular text past or present, the Author wishes toespecially mention why Reincarnation makes the most common sense to me. Should there be anyLife after Death, Eternal Life, or a continuance of ourHuman Consciousnessonce our presentmaterial bodies are pronounced dead by the Coroner, then it appears self-evident to me as the most

critically important topic to engage with and not leave on the shelf to ignore or avoid.

As for the resurrection of dead corpses or ash remains, of Mummies wrapped in rolls of cloth withtheir internal organs removed and stored in clay vessels, and more recently the Cryogenic humanremains kept in tanks frozen of Nitrogen, well. Admitting that I can no longer accept that I will evercome back here, in the very same but repaired body with same features, I willing accept this labelsme as a heretic Christian according to Fundamentalist Christian Dogmatists!.

This is fine because that disputed Label I have worn for many years now as it is. In fact, I have wornthe label since back in 1984 when I finished my Doctoral Thesis (Th.D.) at the Christian Seminary! Toearn a Doctoral Degree in any subject, one is introduced to literature and information that the normalChristian layman would never get to look at. This is because of past conditioning of the history byFundamental Christianity since the Fifth General Council was convened by Justinian in 553 C.E.
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Origin's "Pre-existence of the Soul"was stricken from the sacred records at this event and the newcompilations of the Holy Bibles were declared Canon Law by the Bishops. But the doctrine ofreincarnation , regardless who had believed in the possibly and taught such to others including Jesusof Nazareth himself, was no longer to be taught in the Christian Church under pain ofexcommunication and possibly death.

As a genuine Mystic, converted from close minded Fundamentalism, I now consider myself aGnosticChristianSpiritist!Thats a label I can wear with some humility these days along with a willingacceptance. In other words, I freely recognize my "Master Within",the "Christ in me, and the Hopeof Glory"rather than what, as a misguided fundamentalist Christian, I used to believe in. Most born-again fundamentalist Christians believed somehow magically they had a material body of the LordJesus made up of real flesh, blood and bone in their hearts, inside their own bodies! Was it magic,imaginary or only hopefully?

I think the material, physical remains of the human part of the human person of Jesus of Nazareth,would be spread real thin had he still existed in every Christian walking around today. Let alone allthose millions who were born, lived and died since he was crucified on the cross 2000 odd years ago!We really need to think rationally about what we can believe versus that which we parrot by rote. Thatis a belief in those old sayings of religious people who tend to leave their god given reason outside

the doors of the Church when they enter into it each Sabbath day.

For me at least, it is much more intelligent and wise to understand that our Master Withinis the VERYsame Master SPIRIT, which the material man Jesus had in his own body too. The CHRIST or LOGOSwhen he walked the Earth! Now, there is a bunch of Theology I can back that up with, but I choosenot to because my purpose is not to try and convince anyone to believe as I do.

I AM not the Savior of anyone else's Soul, other than my own, because it is for each Soul's Free Willto either believe or disbelieve whatever brings one to Inner Peace and Tranquility! As I heard an oldPriest recently say: "In all my years as a Priest, I have learned two things only: (1) There is a God and(2) I am not Him!"

The word "Salvation"is another misnomer ofTheological dogmahaving many variables which I will

leave to the paid Clergy who earn their living by recruiting another sheep to the flock as a loyal Tither.Been there, done that too! I much prefer being truthful about what I feel and believe these days ratherthan preach dogmas like tithing which I no longer, if ever, truly believed myself. This allows me tosleep much more peacefully when I close my eyes to find myself alone with my Inner Master.

As sensible people, with any human understanding at all, educated or not, everyone at some point intheir lives attempts to sort out where they came from, who or what sent them, what they are supposedto do with their lives, and if there a God. And if so, does this God have anything to do with themanyway, and if so, why does he always hide in silence and allow all the evil to continue in the world.This is basic human questioning, that almost all of us have done or are still doing.

Yes, we all have our ups and downs, joys, sadness, sickness, health, success and failures. But mosthumans go through life, from the womb to the tomb, day to day, only in survival mode, until suddenly

without warning the angel or messenger of death knocks on the material door and pulls Soul back outof the body to deposit it where? Again, belief systems are challenged.

But since I consider myself a type of Christian, i.e. a Dualist Gnostic Spiritist, I would properly identifymy current understanding of just who I AM with Reincarnation and Karma the only sensiblemethodology of how any merciful Creator Deity Lord God could continue to allow such evil to continuein our world and yet never seem to force it to cease. In other words, "What goes around comesaround", "Every action causes an equal reaction" or "The wages of sin is spiritual death", or for theirreligious unbelievers,"Life's a bitch, and then you die!"

But, are we all created equal, and from the start in our earthly lives? No, for certain we are not. Justlook around you, for proof of this. It is ridiculous to believe each human being on earth is born in equalbodies with equal possibilities, in equal families, environments and countries and so on. Sure each

individual spirit or Soul was created equal yet each spirit once incarnated in its very first material bodybecame "a living human soul as God breathed the breath of life into him."
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So from that very first incarnation the wheel of karma started turning for that individual spirit becameknotted with a soul, both aspects essentially imprisoned in a material body to work out its ownSalvationwith fear and trembling" as the Apostle Paul spoke of an taught!

Interestingly most Christians today who "confess Jesus as Savior by his shed blood on the cross"are

following a far more ancient dogma from many other Sects used long before the man Jesus ofNazareth was ever on earth! In fact, it is so easy to overlook the fact Jesus Christ was NOT EVER aChristian himself! (Warning Heresy Alert!!!!)

Much evidence now exists that Jesus was in fact aJudaic Essenewhich included the dreadlockedhairNazarene or Nasserite evangelist orderof which he was also a member of. Jesus had JewishNazariteparents and siblingsplus he preached his teachings and philosophy to the local Jews. Jesusnever told uncountable missionariesto go out and preach the Gospel to all nations. He only told "theeleven" ( Mark 16:14, 15, 16.). Jesus never told anybody that he was God, nor that he was his ownSon! Yet he probably did say while on the cross, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

After the death of Jesus, his brother James the Just, as he was called, led theEbionite Churchwhichwas actually called the Nazorene Jerusalem Church. By reading the New Testament Epistle of

James one will find a much different Gospel taught by James than by the Saint Paul of Tarsus. Jamestaught that faith without works is dead, whereas Paul taught that we are only saved by Grace throughFaith and not by works alone. The Nazorenes were a Sect who claimed to have acquired theirmystical teachings from James the Just.

The Apostle Peter, who denied Jesus three times before and during his crucifixion, was not theapostle who led the followers of the Inner Group of Ebionites that Jesus had initiated. This secretInitiation which Jesus shared with his inner group of disciples is still the sought after true Initiation thatmany still seek today in various, usually esoteric teaching sects, that is not taught by any of theChristian churches or denominations. It was instead his brother James the Just, who led the earlygenuine Jesus of Nazareth Church!

James led this new Ebionite (aka Nazorean, Nasarite, Nazarene, and essential Gnostic Essene)

Church of the followers of Jesus from his crucifixion until 62A.D. when James was captured,persecuted and then killed by the Jewish Sanhedrin by stoning. The Apostle Peter was the one whowas lifted into place as the deemed first leader of the later established Roman Catholic church. Thiswas not done until the 4

thcentury by Emperor Constantine who was basically the first Catholic Pope.

Therefore the Popes to this day claim direct descent from the Apostle Peter and insist he wasanointed by Jesus himself to lead the early church. Thus the Bible says it is so.

So, who is correct then is it Saint Paul, James the Just, or the Apostle Peter? Better still if you doconsider yourself a Christian, and saved by Grace, and not by works, who do YOU actually follow oralign yourself to here as being the key establisher of Jesus church and teachings after he departedthe scene?

For beginners who actually was Saint Paul? Well Paul was not even one of the original Apostles that

who walked with and were taught directly by Jesus. Paul never saw Jesus in the flesh either. Paulwas a Roman citizen born in Tarsus, in present day Turkey to Roman parents who had converted toJudaism. (or was that Jewish parents who had converted to be pagan Romans I am unsure)

Christians should already know the storyof Saint Paul persecuting Christians by reading Acts in theBible. Yet the fact is that at the time THERE WERE NO CHRISTIANS in existence! Paul was actuallypersecuting these Ebionite followers of James the Just, the brother of Jesus who was then leading thefollowers of Jesus as well as openly challenging the teachings and leadership of the Apostle Peter.

Paul instead essentially created his own teachings about Jesus Christ, after his major Spiritist type ofepiphany which came out of his road to Damascus experience.Saint Pauls teachings are thereforethose which certainly show a closer resemblance to what most of the so-called Christiandenominations preach today. The present Christian Churches follow a system of dogma taught by the

converted Roman Citizen born of converted Hebrews who had nothing to do with Jesus, were actually
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Roman citizens living in Turkey not Palestine who never met him, when Paul was blinded on the roadto Damascus by a light and a voice claiming (Paul believed) to be Jesus Christ!

Another interesting little known fact is that Qumran, where there was a large Essene community offollowers communed, was called Damascus by many during that time. So more likely than not Paulwas not looking for people to persecute on his way through Syria as most may assume was thecase.

Most gnostics, esoterics, and spiritists also claim to see light inside, to hear inner voices and sound,and lay claim to Christ as their Hope of Glory, much as Saint Paul did all those years ago. Also, mostGnostics of the early A.D. centuries did not accept the Old Testament Jehovah as being God theFather nor the Father whom Jesus is said to have spoken about.

So these various pieces of history may raise all kinds of questions for a seeker after truth, such as,are so called Christians today Christians, Jews, Ebionites, or Gnostics? Well the truth is that each ofus has to decide for ourselves, or alternatively stick to that which has been chosen for us by ourparents or our preacher.

My own personal belief is the Hope is the Christ in me, the Hope of Glory, of whatever is animatingthis present body is to survive transition to another place (when the biblical "Silver Cord"is severed

from the body which Spiritists refer to as the "Perispirit" i.e. the Astral link that is joining spirit to thebody and holds it there until death)releases my spirit to join Christ, where "I" will be judged and givenmy next assignment.

That next assignment will either be right back here on Earth in a new Model of a material body or onsome other planet or spiritual plane that will have totally different bodies to be afforded by the Creatoras containers of the spirit/soul. I have no desire to be resurrected back into this exact same body thathas been holding my spirit/soul prisoner here, witnessing that body getting older, more withered andwrinkled, fatter or thinner, looser and more dilapidated and slowly worn out beyond the useful Vehicleof Progression of the Soul that it once was. Cut Me loose Lord, I say! But, not quite yet please! I stillhave a few more messages left I would love to share with my fellow souls.

Until now Grace from the Christ Spirit has treated me enduringly well. Yet I do know that karma has

had a profound positive effect on my progression in life up to now. There was plenty of works, andplenty of faith, and best of all, muchGRACEhas made it possible for me to continue on using my ownstamina and resourcefulness.

As it has been said by many about Life: Each to thine own heart be true!. I am content to be at thisstage in life where I now find myself in the centre point of this great wheel of karma. For alas dearfriend it is true that My Karma has completely run over and destroyed My Dogma"!

All I can do now is to remain steadfastly open for any further gifts of Grace our Creator is willing toshower upon me, along with any new assignments of Eternal Life Adventuresin the near or distant

future, whenever, where ever, and whomever, they may Become.

Until we meet again, I remain,

Eternal Flame

Aka Sri James of Southern Land
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