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Rav Kaduri ZTVK"L Told His Havruta When Mashiah

is Coming: Av, 5772

A Hebrew-language monthly newsletter called "Or Elyon" tells over

some very interesting information, which I will translate below.

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OrElyon

Update: Here is another link to Or Elyon.

Rav Yosef Hayim Zaccai Shlit"a, from the city Beitar Illit, who

merited to learn many years as the Havruta of the Elder

Kabbalist Rav Yitzhak Kaduri ZTVK"L, and in addition, acted as

the Hazzan of his Yeshiva for 15 years, reveals to "Or Elyon"

the awesome secret that he heard with his own ears from the

holy mouth of Rav Kaduri ZT"L on the time of Mashiah

Tzidkeinu's coming:

It was on Hannukka, 5766, about a month before the passing

of Moreinu VeRabbeinu the Elder Kabbalist Rav Yitzhak

Kaduri ZT"L, we sat and learned the Holy Zohar as is our

custom every evening. Suddenly, the rabbi asked me, 'Why

did Yehuda do this?' In other words, why did Yehuda bring

the Mashiah with the story of Yehuda and Tamar in a way

that appears not proper? I answered him, 'The honored rabbi

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knows all the secrets, and definitely, that which the Kabbalists

explained is not hidden from his holy eyes - that HKB"H

wanted to hide from the מ"ס , who is the head of the forces of

the Sitra Ahora (impure forces) in the world, that He is

bringing the Mashiah in order that he will not be jealous and

prevent his coming to the world. Therefore, HKB"H brought

the Mashiah in an outer form that looks - Kivyachol - like it is

being done in an unholy way, and by doing so, the matter will

be hidden from the eyes of the מ"ס .'

The Rav repeated the aforementioned question again and

again, and then, I understood that the rabbi is interested that

we speak about the Mashiah. I got the courage and asked

him, "Our rabbi! When will Mashiah come?" The rabbi

answered me, "I cannot reveal," and laughed a big laugh. I

asked him again, "Our rabbi! When will Mashiah come?" The

rabbi answered in 2 words, " תשעב בשנת [In the year

5772]," (which is the year in which we are currently), and he

repeated this twice. I was very shocked by his words, and

immediately, when I left the rabbi's home, I went up to the

Kollel of Kabbalists in the Yeshiva of the rabbi, and told over

what the rabbi said to them - they were all amazed.

About 2 weeks later, in the beginning of Tevet, 5766, the

rabbi was admitted to Bikur Cholim Hospital in Yerushalayim.

I would arrive daily to the hospital to learn with the rabbi. And

then, I asked him again, "Our rabbi! In what month and in

what year will Mashiah come?" And the rabbi answered me,

"In the month of Av, 5772." And he repeated this twice. It is

important to note that the rabbi retained conciousness until 2

weeks before his passing. The rabbi died on 29 Tevet, 5766

(as is known, he died at the age of 113 years old!!).

From that day on until today, I publicize and tell this over to

everyone I meet. A short while ago, people showed me an

essay by the name of "Sod HaHashmal", which Rav Fish

Shlit"a authored, and there, it is brought down a testimony

from the great kabbalist Rav Morgenshtein Shlit"a, the author

of the "Yam HaHochma" books on Kabbala, that he has a

tradition from the Vilna Gaon ZT"L that the Geula will come at

the end of the year 5772. I was very happy to see that even

the great Ashkenazic kabbalists predict Mashiah's arrival at

the end of this year.

It is important to note! There is a time for Mashiah's coming that

in Haza"l's terminology is called "Be'ita" (in its time) - this time is

hidden from all. On the other hand, the Mashiah can come at any

moment if Am Yisrael will do Teshuva and will be worthy of his

arrival. In Haza"l's terminology, this time is called "Ahishena" (I will

hasten it). In my humble opinion, it appears that the intent of the

rabbis ZT"L is that Av, 5772 is the most auspicious time for the

coming of Mashiah. And it's true that we see many signs that we

are extremely close to the time of the coming of Mashiah

Tzidkeinu, as we showed many times in the newsletters (see, for

example, the essay about Gilad Shalit in the current newsletter [YY

- which is also great stuff on the same pdf, page 3]), it is incumbant

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posted by yaak @ 11/01/2011 06:21:00

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aforementioned set time that is auspicious for the Geula will be

delayed.

As we said, we are currently in the period of the "End of Days". To

what can we compare our situation today? To a giant hall full of

people, and in the middle of the room, a large screen is being

lowered down which will divide the room into 2 parts. Everyone

that is on the right will merit "all goodness", they will benefit and be

happy, whereas those who remain on the left will suffer hardships.

The screen continues to fall and all that remains are a few

centimeters until the screen will reach the floor. In such a situation,

everyone is diving under the screen and going to the right side,

and everyone is carrying his friend to give him the chance to come

over to the right side. The moral of this parable is that the Holy

Zohar says that only those who keep the Torah and Mitzvot will

merit the Complete Geula. We are currently at the "Zero Hour". We

now need to dive through the narrow opening that is left open to

the world of Judaism and Teshuva, and also to carry as many

good souls as possible toward Judaism with us, so that they will

also merit the Geula soon, Amen.

Note that Av, 5772 is exactly 9 months from now.

33 comments

33 Comments:

At Tue Nov 01, 08:03:00 PM 2011, Moshe said...

who says that he knows when Mashiah comes -- he does not know,

who is quiet he might know.

At Tue Nov 01, 08:30:00 PM 2011, Daniel said...

If you take the phrase אחישנה בעתה ( in its time I will hasten it) at the

end of Isaiah ch. 60, and you move the shin into the word בעתה , you

have all the letters that spell the year 5772 ( hay tav shin ayin bet). The

rest of the remaining letters (אחישנה without the shin) have the value of

74, same as the word Ad (until). Could it be a secret code for "until

5772/2012"?

Also, in Esther ch. 9 at the place where the ten sons of Haman are

listed with the 5707 code, perhaps there might be another code in there.

The last son of Haman mentioned, Vaizatha, is spelled with a big Vav

and a little Zayin. There are 13 Vav's in this whole passage listing

Haman's sons. Could there be a reason why this Vav and not the others

was enlarged? If you find the gematria of Vaizatha, you get 424, the

same exact number as Mashiach Ben David. Maybe the Vav is the sixth

millenium as it is with the 5707 code, and the small zayin could mean

the decade that starts with seven as we're in now. The next letters

immediately after this little zayin are Tav Alef Ayin Sin resh Tav and Bet.

If you just get rid of the Resh, you have all the letters that spell (5)771-

772, maybe hinting that this time period would be very significant. Also

in verse 29, the word ותכתב with the big Tav may have something to it.

If you leave the Vav out and only take the value of תכתב, you get 822.

Backwards that's 228. The Vav can just mean the sixth millennium. 228

years before the end of the sixth millennium is 5772, Also verse 29 and

29th of Tevet(???). (I'm not making predictions, just observations, al)

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R"H Av 5772 is exactly 3 and a half years of the Obama presidency: "A

time, times and a half of time" - the verse where Obama's name is

encoded in the Book of Daniel.

Is Moshiach supposed to kill Gog/Armilus ?

That would tie in nicely.

At Tue Nov 01, 08:42:00 PM 2011, 10rainbow said...

thank you for this informative article. its stops people from giving up the

mosiach will ever come. true, no one knows his exact date and time, but

Hashem has given various signs and with the guidance of the early

torah scholars and today's , we know what period of time we are living .

and how to improve ourselves. both jews and gentiles.

At Tue Nov 01, 09:25:00 PM 2011, Anonymous said...

Here's something else that could relate to Obama not finishing his term.

There have been only four US Presidents that have been elected while

at the same time being members of the US Congress from either the

House of Representatives or the Senate. These are Presidents Garfield,

Harding, Kennedy, and Obama. The three before Obama all died in

office in their first and only term. Could this be bad luck for Obama? I'm

not saying that I want this to happen, but it's interesting to note. Also, no

Democrat has ever been elected President more than once who was

not previously a governor.

At Wed Nov 02, 02:55:00 AM 2011, Neshama said...

I hear the sounds of war coming from various directions. I also read that

war is more likely to break out not in summer as it is too hot, not in

winter because it is too wet, but in the interim months, i.e., that leaves

autumn and spring - our days of the Yom Tovim.

The return of Gilad and it's subsequent release of Arab prisoners, some

have hinted, suggests that Israel will go in to clean out the hornets' nest.

The timing is ripe. We shall see.

IY"H we will see the Holy Rabbi's words to fruition. But since he left us

so soon after making this public, leaves one to wonder if it was

premature, and if so, what that means for us.

Thank you YY.

At Wed Nov 02, 03:15:00 AM 2011, Anonymous said...

Why are there videos circulating of him saying its JC?

At Wed Nov 02, 06:35:00 AM 2011, joshwaxman said...

are there such videos??!

At Wed Nov 02, 06:40:00 AM 2011, joshwaxman said...

saw such a video now.

nonsense. see my analysis here.

i think he was hinting to Yehoshua in his note, but to his student

Yehoshua Meiri. further confirmation. purportedly, he added a vav to

this Yehoshua Meiri's name, which matches the strange malei-vav




spelling of Yehoshua in the encoding in the note. (At the least, vav was

added to somebody's name, according to R' Kaduri.)

but Rav Kaduri was no closet Christian!

At Wed Nov 02, 07:14:00 AM 2011, Anonymous said...

How is predicting a date any better than saying it's happening soon?

When the date comes and goes normally, people feel hurt. "Soon"

should be good enough to motivate us to do Teshuvah.

At Wed Nov 02, 09:13:00 AM 2011, tzvi bar lieb said...

so moshiach ben yosef come adar and moshiach ben dovid comes

tammuz & av

At Wed Nov 02, 03:22:00 PM 2011, shimonmatisyahu said...

In relationship to this unique revelation of HaRav Kaduri TZ"L, it has

been reported by his students that a couple of years before his passing,

he met face to face with Moshiach, noting that HaRav Kaduri received a

Beracha that he would live to see Moshiach. Also as has been noted in

this post already, the phrase Tisha B'Av - of which Chazal say is when

Moshiach was born (which means that the potential of Moshiach coming

began on this day when the Beit HaMikdash was destroyed) - contains

the same letters as Av Hei-Tav-Shin-Ayin- Beit (Av 5772). I think this

says it all. And for my take of the timing of the end of our exile, you can

check it at www.gematriot.blogspot.com, #116 - Years of Slavery (Aug

'11), as per the connection between the 116 years of Egyptian slavery

for the Jews & the period of The Three Weeks in the exile years

following both times of the Churban Beit HaMikdash.

At Wed Nov 02, 04:04:00 PM 2011, joshwaxman said...

"he met face to face with Moshiach"

how can this be true? i've never met with Rav Kaduri.

At Wed Nov 02, 09:14:00 PM 2011, Leah said...

Josh, I am rofl...

At Wed Nov 02, 10:37:00 PM 2011, Devorah said...

Josh: How long have you had Jerusalem Syndrome?

At Thu Nov 03, 04:03:00 AM 2011, Shaul B said...

Predictions of Moshiach's coming at a specific time actually really upset

me. It is simply wrong to do this. This particular instance must be about

the zillionth prediction of Moshiach's coming since Shabbesai Tzvi, and

is no more likely to be correct than the previous zillion minus one.

Rest assured, that when we start blowing the shofar on Rosh Chodesh

Elul, and Moshiach still has not come, the people who were looking

forward with starry eyes to the Final Redemption in Av 5772 will start

regurgitating the same tired old stories that some great mekubbalim got

together and davened so hard that Hashem decide to spare us the

travails of Moshiach, or that we "weren't worthy of redemption", or any

other excuse why the prediction didn't come true. Their faith will be

unaffected.

But what of the damage they will have done to people who hear yet



another failed prediction? It makes Torah a mockery in their eyes, chas

veshalom! When people come out banging the Moshiach drum like this,

undeterred by the failure of every previous prophecy, people on the

fringe and secular Jews see us as caricature nutters standing on soap

boxes with "The End Is Nigh" signs.

You do nobody any service by publishing predictions like this. Learn

Torah, do Mitzvos, and worry about being the best person you can be.

And leave it to Hashem to decide when Moshiach will come.

At Thu Nov 03, 10:36:00 AM 2011, yaak said...

Shaul B,

You've eloquently made your point, but here's why ultimately, it is not

wrong to do this - aderabba - I believe it is a positive thing to do.

Yes, Mashiah predictions have become a dime a dozen lately, but not

just lately. You've mentioned Shabetai Tzvi, but they were around much

earlier than that without mentioning a specific leader.

The Rambam mentioned 1212 (or 1216) as a possible date. The

Ramban mentioned his Geula prediction on Bereishit 2:3. There were

predictions mentioned by the gemara in Sanhedrin, Mashiah hopes in

the 600s CE, and in pretty much every century after that at least a few.

These did not work out due to whatever reasons, but were these

Mashiah hopes considered bad for us to look forward to? No.

The gemara says קיצין מחשבי של רוחן תיפח , but I already blogged many

times about the Rishonim (like the Ramban) and Aharonim (like the

Malbim) who say that it no longer applies. Others say it applies, but only

if you make it a drop-dead date, which no one here is doing.

You worry about the damage done to those who hear of "another failed

prediction". You say that it makes Torah a mockery in their eyes. I

disagree. Those who hear the prediction and are inspired by it realize

that predictions sometimes don't pan out - as they haven't for the last

500 predictions. People are smart enough to know that they need to

hope for this prediction date without making the prediction date a core

of their belief.

Your other concern is of people on the fringe and secular Jews seeing

us as "caricature nutters standing on soap boxes with "The End is Nigh"

signs".

To that, I say, "Let them." What do I care? Secular Jews consider us as

nutters anyways.

You say, "Learn Torah, do Mitzvos, and worry about being the best

person you can be."

I say that this is davka why publicizing this prediction is a positive. It will

inspire people to do just that.

And we are leaving the Keitz to Hashem. No one is deciding that for

Him.



May Mashiah come as soon as possible, and may we truly be worthy to

receive him.

At Fri Nov 04, 02:07:00 AM 2011, Shaul B said...

Yaak: "To that, I say, "Let them." What do I care? Secular Jews

consider us as nutters anyways."

This statement is so wrong-headed, in so many ways, I just cannot even

begin to respond...

At Fri Nov 04, 04:09:00 AM 2011, yaak said...

This statement is so wrong-headed, in so many ways, I just cannot even

begin to respond...

As opposed to your eloquent comment earlier, you just accused me of

being wrong-headed without explanation.

Try me. Give me a reason to agree with you.

Here's how I see it and you tell me where I'm wrong.

Secular Jews need to be shown the right path. The ones that are willing

to listen will need to be taught to accept certain truths. Those that are

not will unfortunately falter. We do our best to bring them closer, but

alas, many continue to mock us despite our best efforts.

If we call out and let people know that Mashiah is near, we want those

who are willing to listen to do Teshuva, while those who aren't will be

like those who died in Makat Hoshech.

Let me ask you: would you rather Moshe Rabbeinu not do all the Makot

so that 4/5 of the Bnei Yisrael survive, but remain in Egypt?

We just read No'ah. Was No'ah a "nutter" when he warned people "The

end is nigh"? Would you dare consider him wrong-headed?

בם יכשלו, ופשעים, בם ילכו וצדקים, יהוה דרכי ישרים-כי

At Sat Nov 05, 01:47:00 PM 2011, Shaul B said...

Yaak - OK, my previous comment was too dismissive. So here goes at

an explanation of why your comment left me so aghast.

Repeat quote: "To that, I say, 'Let them.' What do I care? Secular Jews

consider us as nutters anyways."

My critique is from a number of angles:

1. Dismissal of secular Jews, with the implication that they may safely

be written off, and we don't need to care about them or what they think.

In reality there are very few hard-core "secular" Jews who are anti-

Jewish. (Many of them happen to be on the Israeli Supreme Court

bench, but that's a different story.) The vast majority of non-practising

Jews are there simply out of ignorance. These are people who are very

much affected by how religious people behave. When we act like

mensches, projecting a face of cheer, friendliness, integrity and all

those other nice things, we make a kiddush Hashem, subtly and

effectively doing kiruv just by being. OTOH, when we create an "us" and



"them" attitude, and we relate to them as somehow lesser beings - well,

goodbye kiruv and hello polarization.

2. There is a time for brazenness - when it comes to keeping mitzvos.

And there is a time for being a little more subdued. Read Mesillas

Yesharim chapter 20, about "the weighing of chassidus". Bottom line,

we do not compromise on ikkar halacha - but when it comes to chumros

and hiddurim, if it will cause other Jews to ridicule us or the Torah, the

hiddur is to refrain from that behavior. And that's talking about real,

recognized hiddurim and chumros, not these predictions of when

Moshiach will come, which are highly questionable in the first place if

they are even permitted halachically. Jews on the edge look at this kind

of stuff and say, "Oh, those religious twits are always making stupid

predictions that never come true." And that, frankly, is a Chillul Hashem,

and causes non-observant Jews to regard the whole Torah with added

cynicism.

3. And in response to your assertion that predictions of the coming of

Moshiach help to inspire people to do teshuva - I answer: prove it. And

if someone does teshuva because they thought Moshiach was coming

on such-and-such a date - what happens when that date passes, and

the UFO failed to come and pick up the True Believers? Anybody who is

so emotionally unstable that they make a radical change to their lifestyle

just because of some story about Rav Kaduri, is not a sincere returnee,

and they will drop whatever religious trappings they have the minute

something else exciting comes along and plays up to their expectations

of the End Of Days.

Personally, I am completely devoted, shomer Torah umitzvos... and

even I find that these predictions only serve to feed my yetzer hora and

weaken my faith. I have heard so many predictions involving the Baba

Sali, Rav Kaduri and a host of other Holy Men... I used to get excited

about the possibility of Moshiach coming soon, but now frankly I find

that I'm getting quite jaded, and every time someone talks about how

Moshiach for sure is coming soon, I say, "yeah, yeah, they've been

saying that since Shabbesai Tzvi". I actually have to pick myself up and

give myself mussar - to ignore all the failed predictions, and still

continue believing that Hashem will send Moshiach... sometime...

At Sat Nov 05, 09:12:00 PM 2011, yaak said...

Shaul,

Thank you for your response.

You apparently are of the opinion that all secular Jews think like you do

and are rationalists like you seem to be. And you may be right -

rationalist secular Jews may get turned off by what I write.

However, I can tell you that there is a large percentage of secular Jews

who do not think in that way -especially, those that have a more

traditional bent. For example, Sephardic Jews do not think this way -

they have more of an Emuna Peshuta approach to their Judaism. It is to

these types of people that my blog is targeting.

If you feel that Mashiah predictions will hurt your Emuna, DO NOT

READ MY BLOG. I can tell you - and you can probably guess -that the

vast majority of my readers are not rationalists, but those whose faith



extends beyond reason.

To call it a "chillul Hashem" is totally ridiculous. You don't want to read

these predictions, fine - don't. And neither will people who think like you.

They will likely dismiss it. And when they dismiss it, they might say

something like, "Oh, those religious twits are always making stupid

predictions that never come true." That is not a "chilul Hashem" to do

what's right.

Was it a Hillul Hashem for No'ah to build his ark and have the entire

world population laugh at him with a similar sentiment?

Was it a Hillul Hashem to have Yimiyahu Hanavi warn the Jews of

impending disaster and have the Jews show a similar sentiment?

I don't think I need to go on to make my point.

You also wrote:

Anybody who is so emotionally unstable that they make a radical

change to their lifestyle just because of some story about Rav Kaduri, is

not a sincere returnee, and they will drop whatever religious trappings

they have the minute something else exciting comes along and plays up

to their expectations of the End Of Days.

You obviously don't know anyone out of your 4 Amot of rationalist Jews.

I love rationalist Jews. My favorite cousins are rationalist Jews. And I'll

fully admit that my blog is not for them. Or you.

There are, however, an enormous group of people who are emotionally

very stable who will be inspired by such news.

May Mashiah come way before this date, and may we Be'ahdut join

together in welcoming Mashiah Bimheira veyameinu. Amen.

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At Tue Jun 26, 04:54:00 PM 2012, Keter Malchut (Kabbalah

Redemption) said...

In the years 5751-5752 the Rebbe declared that the "work of refinement

of the sparks" is complete, and we now have the "Orot of Tohu" - which

are the deepest levels of G-dliness corresponding to the Name of 63

within Adam Kadmon (kabbalistically referring to Creator

Consciousness, as opposed to Creation Consciousness).

• The "problem" with these "Lights of Tohu" is that if they are not

properly internalized by the proper "Vessels of Tikun", they bring to

"yenikat hachitzonim" - improper nourishment of the Forces of

Darkness. These conceal G-dliness and bring harsh judgements and

chaos of exile.

• Unlike at the time "allowed for exile", when Darkness and concealment

of G-dliness were allowed to rule, today - the world is in "redemption" - it

no longer conceals G-dliness.

• What's left to do is stop feeding the Forces of Darkness by properly

directing and internalizing these Lights of Tohu into vessels of



rectification.

• This is made possible only by the formation of a network, creating a

standing vessel for the channeling of Infinity. This is why the redemption

was always said to be dependent on the "ingathering of Israel", and

"Ahavat Israel".

• Literally, when a person stands to receive G-dliness by himself, he has

a single vessel. If he united with a second Jew, each of them has 2X

vessels, 3 Jews allow each to have 3X vessels, etc.

• Revealing G-d within the physical world os ultimately a product of

interactions ("giving" and "receiving") of Neshamot in physical bodies in

the physical world. This is the inner mystery of the Beit HaMikdash

("and they shall build Me a sanctuary and I shall dwell within them" -

"within them" it says, not "within it", saying "within each and every one

of them..."

At Tue Jun 26, 04:55:00 PM 2012, Keter Malchut (Kabbalah

Redemption) said...

Moshiach ben Dovid and Moshiach ben Yosef

• The Arizal comments on the Zohar that when the intrinsic level of G-

dliness called "Atik Yomin" is revealed, it happens in three stages:

o "It is found"

o "It is hidden"

o and "It is revealed"

• The Vilna Gaon taught that Moshiach ben Dovid will "open the

redemption" and be concealed, while Moshiach ben Yosef "fights the

wars" of redemption, bring about the miraculous revelation of Moshiach

ben Dovid in the complete redemption.

At Thu Jun 28, 08:12:00 PM 2012, wakawakwaka said...

but the problem is that Christians think that the rabbi was referring to

HIM, yeah you know who he is, and that on the month of AV this year

HE is going to rapture them before a nuclear apocalypse that will

destroy the world, also didnt the rabbi say that before the messiah

emerges, Sharon would die

At Thu Jun 28, 10:54:00 PM 2012, yaak said...

Yes, I've been getting tons of hits coming to this post from Xtian sites.

Let them believe what they want - I don't really care as long as they stay

away from Jews.

At Fri Jun 29, 10:25:00 AM 2012, wakawakwaka said...

well you should see those websites! they are false prophet central! If we

were all under the laws of Moses there wouldn't be enough stones in

the world to take care of them!

At Mon Jul 02, 07:10:00 AM 2012, Shaul B said...

I'll un-lurk for just a moment to comment wryly on the kind of company

you non-rationalists tend to attract, based on that last (now deleted)

comment... :)

At Mon Jul 02, 09:25:00 AM 2012, yaak said...

It is unrelated to being non-rationalist. It has to do with the members of

another religion thinking Rav Kaduri wrote something which he didn't

write (see rationalist blog parshablog and this post) and therefore eating

up his prediction. They will be sorely disappointed.

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At Thu Jul 12, 05:13:00 PM 2012, anton said...



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