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Genes and Water Memoryby Dr. Matti Pitkänen / June 28, 2009

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After a long time, I had opportunity to read a beautiful experimental article. Not about the latest dramatic experimental breakthroughs in proving F theory to be the only possible theory of everything and even more;-) but about experimental Biology.

Yolene Thomas -- who worked with Benveniste -- kindly sent the article to me. The freely loadable article is Electromagnetic Signals Are Produced by Aqueous Nanostructures Derived from Bacterial DNA Sequences by Luc Montagnier, Jamal Aissa, Stéphane Ferris, Jean-Luc Montagnier, and Claude Lavallée published in the journal Interdiscip. Sci. Comput. Life Sci. (2009).

1. Basic findings at Cell Level

I try to list the essential points of the article. Apologies for biologists -- I am not a specialist.

A. Certain pathogenic micro-organisms are objects of the study.

The bacteria Mycoplasma Pirum and E. Choli belong to the targets of the study. The motivating observation was that some procedures aimed at sterilizing biological fluids can yield under some conditions the infectious micro-organism which was present before the filtration and absent immediately after it.

For instance, one filtrates a culture of human lymphocytes infected by M. Pirum which has infected human lymphocytes to make it sterile. The filters used have 100 nm and 20 nm porosities. M. Pirum has size of 300 nm so that apparently sterile fluids results.

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However if this fluid is incubated with a mycoplasma negative culture of human lymphocytes, mycoplasma re-appears within 2 or 3 weeks! This sounds mysterious. Same happens as 20 nm filtration is applied to a minor infective fraction of HIV whose viral particles have size in the range 100-120 nm.

B. These findings motivated a study of the filtrates and it was discovered that they have a capacity to produce low-frequency electromagnetic waves with frequencies in good approximation coming as the first 3 harmonics of kHz frequency. (Which by the way plays also a central role in neural synchrony.)

What sounds mysterious is that the effect appeared after appropriate dilutions with water: positive dilution fraction varied between 10-7 and 10-12. The uninfected eukaryotic cells used as controls did not show the emission.

These signals appeared for both M. Pirum and E. Choli but for M. Pirum a filtration using 20 nm filter canceled the effect. Hence it seems that the nano-structures in question have size between 20 and 100 nm in this case.

A resonance phenomenon depending on excitation by the electromagnetic waves is suggested as an underlying mechanism. Stochastic resonance familiar to physicists suggests itself also I have also discussed it while developing ideas about quantum brain.

The proposed explanation for the necessity of the dilution could be a kind of self-inhibition. Maybe a gel-like phase which does not emit radiation is present in sufficiently low dilution but is destroyed in high dilutions after which emission begins. Note that the gel phase would not be present in healthy tissue. Also a destructive interference of radiation emitted by several sources can be imagined.

C. Also a cross talk between dilutions was discovered.

The experiment involved 2 tubes. The donor tube was at a low dilution of E. Choli and "silent" (and carrying gel-like phase if the above conjecture is right). The receiver tube was in high dilution (dilution fraction 10-9) and "loud".

Both tubes were placed in mu-metal box for 24 hours at room temperature. Both tubes were silent after his.

After a further dilution made for the receiver tube, it became loud again. This could be understood in terms of the formation of gel-like phase in which the radiation does not take place. The effect disappeared when one interposed a sheath of mu-metal between the tubes. Emission of similar signals was observed for many other bacterial specials, all pathogenic. The transfer occurred only between identical bacterial species which suggests that the signals and possibly also frequencies are characteristic for the species and possibly code for DNA sequences characterizing the species.

D. A further surprising finding was that the signal appeared in dilution which was always the same irrespective of what was the original dilution.

2. Experimentation at the Gene level

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The next step in experimentation was performed at gene level.

A. The killing of bacteria did not cancel the emission in appropriate dilutions unless the genetic material was destroyed. It turned out that the genetic material extracted from the bacteria filtered and diluted with water produced also an emission for sufficiently high dilutions.

B. The filtration step was essential for the emission also now. The filtration for 100 nm did not retain DNA which was indeed present in the filtrate. That effect occurred suggests that filtration destroyed a gel like structure inhibiting the effect. When 20 nm filtration was used the effect disappeared which suggests that the size of the structure was in the range 20-100 nm.

C. After the treatment by DNAse enzyme inducing splitting of DNA to pieces, the emission was absent. The treatment of DNA solution by restriction enzyme acting on many sites of DNA did not suppress the emission suggesting that the emission is linked with rather short sequences or with rare sequences.

D. The fact that pathogenic bacteria produce the emission but not "good" bacteria suggests that effect is caused by some specific gene. It was found that a single gene -- adhesin responsible for the adhesion of mycoplasma to human cells -- was responsible for the effect. When the cloned gene was attached to 2 plasmids and the E. Choli DNA was transformed with the either plasmid, the emission was produced.

3. Some Consequences

The findings could have rather interesting consequences.

A. The refinement of the analysis could make possible diagnostics of various diseases and suggests bacterial origin of diseases like Alzheimer disease, Parkinson disease, Multiple Sclerosis, and Rheumatoid Arthritis since the emission signal could serve as a signature of the gene causing the disease. The signal can be detected also from RNA viruses such as HIV, influenza virus A, and Hepatitis C virus.

D. Emission could also play key role in the mechanism of adhesion to human cells making possible the infection perhaps acting as a kind of password.

The results are rather impressive. Some strongly conditioned skeptic might have already stopped reading after encountering the word "dilution" and associating it with a word which no skeptic scientist in his right mind should not say aloud: "homeopathy"!

By reading carefully what I wrote above, it is easy to discover that the experimenters unashamedly manufactured a homeopathic remedy out of the filtrate! And the motivating finding was that although filtrate should not have contained the bacteria, they (according to authors) -- or at least the effects caused by them -- appeared within weeks to it! This is of course impossible in the word of a skeptic.

The next reaction of the skeptic is of course that this is fraud or the experimenters are miserable crackpots. Amusingly, one of the miserable "crackpots" is Nobelist Luc Montagnier whose research group discovered AIDS virus.

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4. How TGD could explain the findings?

Let us leave the raging skeptics for a moment and sketch possible explanations in TGD framework.

A. The skeptic would argue that the filtration allowed a small portion of infected cells to leak through the filter. Many-sheeted space-time suggests a science fictive variant of this explanation.

During filtration, part of the infected cells is "dropped" to large space-time sheets and diffused back to the original space-time sheets during the next week. This would explain why the micro-organisms were regenerated within few weeks. The same mechanism could work for ordinary molecules and explain homeopathy.

This can be tested. Look whether the molecules return back to the diluted solution in the case of a homeopathic remedy.

B. If no cells remain in the filtrate, something really miraculous looking events are required to make possible the regeneration of the effects serving as the presence of cells. This even in the case that DNA fragments remain in the filtrate.

i. The minimum option is that the presence of these structures contained only the relevant information about the infecting bacteria and this information coded in terms of frequencies was enough to induce the signatures of the infection as a kind of molecular conditioning. Experimentalists can probably immediately answer whether this can be the case.

ii. The most radical option is that the infecting bacteria were actually regenerated as experimenters claim! The information about their DNA was in some form present and was transcribed to DNA and/or RNA which in turn transformed to proteins.

Maybe the small fragment of DNA (adhesin) and this information should have been enough to regenerate the DNA of the bacterium and bacterium itself. A test for this hypothesis is whether the mere nanoparticles left from the DNA preparation to the filtrate can induce the regeneration of infecting molecules.

The notion of magnetic body carrying dark matter quantum controlling living matter forms the basic element of the TGD-inspired model of Quantum Biology and suggests a more concrete model. For a possible experimental support for the notion, see the earlier posting.

1. If the matter at given layer of the onion-like structure formed by magnetic bodies has large hbar, one can argue that the layer corresponds to a higher evolutionary level than ordinary matter with longer time scale of memory and planned action.

Hence it would not be surprising if the magnetic bodies were able to replicate and use ordinary molecules as kind of sensory receptors and motor organs. Perhaps the replication of magnetic bodies preceded the replication at DNA level and genetic code is realized already at this more fundamental level somehow.

Perhaps the replication of magnetic bodies induces the replication of DNA as I have suggested.

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2. As I have discussed in my earlier postings and in the books at my homepage, the magnetic body of DNA would make DNA a topological quantum computer (see this). DNA itself would represent the hardware and magnetic bodies would carry the evolving quantum computer programs realized in terms of braidings of magnetic flux tubes.

The natural communication and control tool would be cyclotron radiation besides Josephson radiation associated with cell membranes acting as Josephson junctions. Cyclotron frequencies are indeed the only natural frequencies that one can assign to molecules in kHz range. There would be an entire fractal hierarchy of analogs of EEG making possible the communication with and control by magnetic bodies.

3. The values of Planck constant would define a hierarchy of magnetic bodies which corresponds to evolutionary hierarchy and the emergence of a new level would mean jump in Evolution. Gel-like phases could serve as a correlate for the presence of the magnetic body.

The phase transitions changing the value of Planck constant and scale up-or-down the size of the magnetic flux tubes. They are proposed to serve as a basic control mechanism making possible to understand the properties and the dynamics of the gel phases and how biomolecules can find each other in the thick molecular soup via a phase transition reducing the length of flux tubes connecting the biomolecules in question and thus forcing them to the vicinity of each other.

Consider now how this model could explain the findings.

1. Minimal option is that the flux tubes correspond to "larger space-time sheets" and the infected cells managed to flow into the filtrate along magnetic flux tubes from the filter. This kind of transfer of DNA might be made possible by the recently discovered nanotubes already mentioned.

2. Maybe the radiation resulted as dark photons invisible for ordinary instruments transformed to ordinary photons as the gel phase assignable with the dark matter at magnetic flux tube network associated with the infected cells and corresponding DNA was destroyed in the filtration.

This is not the only possible guess. A phase conjugate cyclotron radiation with a large value of Planck constant could also allow for the nanostructures in dilute solute to gain metabolic energy by sending negative energy quanta to a system able to receive them. Indeed, the presence of ambient radiation was necessary for the emission.

Maybe that for sufficiently dilute solute, this mechanism allows to the nanostructures to get metabolic energy from the ambient radiation whereas for the gel phase the metabolic needs are not so demanding.

In a similar manner, bacteria form colonies when metabolically deprived. This sucking of energy might be also part of the mechanism of disease.

3. What could be the magnetic field inducing the kHz radiation as a synchrotron radiation?

A. For instance, kHz frequency and its harmonics could correspond to the cyclotron frequencies of proton in magnetic field which field strength slightly above that for Earth's magnetic field

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(750 Hz frequency corresponds to field strength of BE where BE/ = 0.5 Gauss, the nominal strength of Earth's magnetic field).

A possible problem is that the thickness of the flux tubes would be about cell size for Earth's magnetic field from flux quantization and even larger for dark matter with a large value of Planck constant. Of course, the flux tubes could make themselves thinner temporarily and leak through the pores.

B. If the flux tube is assumed to have thickness of order 20-100 nm, the magnetic field for ordinary value of hbar would be of the order of 0.1 Tesla from flux quantization and in the case of DNA the cyclotron frequencies would not depend much on the length of DNA fragment since the it carries a constant charge density.

Magnetic field of the order of 0.2 Tesla would give cyclotron frequency of order kHZ from the fact that the field strength of 0.2 Gauss gives frequency of about 0.1 Hz. This corresponds to a magnetic field with flux tube thickness ≈ 125 nm which happens to be the upper limit for the porosity.

Dark magnetic flux tubes with large hbar are, however, thicker and the leakage might involve a temporary phase transition to a phase with ordinary value of hbar reducing the thickness of the flux tube. Perhaps some genes (e.g., adhesin) plus corresponding magnetic bodies representing DNA in terms of cyclotron frequencies (depending slightly on precise weight of the DNA sequence and thus coding it) correspond to the frequency of cyclotron radiation are the sought for nano-structures.

4. While developing a model for homeopathy based on dark matter, I ended up with the idea that dark matter consisting of nuclear strings of neutrons and protons with a large value of hbar and having thus a zoomed-up size of nucleon could be involved.

The really amazing finding was that nucleons as 3-quark systems allow to realize vertebrate code in terms of states formed from entangled quarks (see this and this and also the earlier posting)!

One cannot decompose codons to letters as in the case of the ordinary Genetic Code. But codons are analogous to symbols representing entire words in Chinese. The counterparts of DNA, RNA, and aminoacids emerge and the Genetic Code has a concrete meaning as a map between quantum states.

Without any exaggeration, this connection between Dark Hadronic Physics and Biology has been one of the greatest surprises of my professional life. It suggests that dark matter in Macroscopic quantum phase realizes genetic code at the level of nuclear physics and biology only provides one particular (or probably very many as I have proposed) representations of it.

If one takes this seriously, one can imagine that genetic information is represented by these dark nuclear strings of nanoscopic size and that there exists a mechanism translating the dark nuclei to ordinary DNA and RNA sequences and thus to biological matter. This would explain the claimed regeneration of the infected cells.

5. Genetic Code at dark matter level would have far reaching implications.

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For instance, living matter -- or rather the magnetic bodies controlling it -- could purposefully perform genetic engineering. This forces me to spit out another really "dirty word": "Lamarckism"!

We have of course learned that mutations are random. The basic objection against Lamarckism is that there is no known mechanism which would transfer the mutations to germ cells.

In the homeopathic Universe of TGD, the mutations could be however performed first for the dark nucleon sequences. After this, these sequences would diffuse to germ cells just like homeopathic remedies do and after this are translated to DNA or RNA and attach to DNA.

We are living exciting times. If someone wants to share this experience with me, she-or-he can consult the chapter "Homeopathy in Many-Sheeted Space-Time" of Bio-Systems as Conscious Holograms where also the nuclear realization of the genetic code is discussed. If the word "hopeopathy" in the title is too much for the stomach of the reader, he can consult also the chapter "Nuclear String Model" of p-Adic length Scale Hypothesis and Dark Matter Hierarchy.

Comments and Responses

1. At 1:49 PM, AK said...

Thank you! Very interesting findings.

It seems that we slowly get the needed measuring techniques...which in the end should also convince the last skeptic...

Greetings,André

2. At 5:36 PM, donkerheid said...

Hello Matti!

Maybe a month ago, I read a book on the shortcomings of (neo)Darwinian evolution (by Wolfgang Kuhn). It mentioned that information and the fact that information never comes without intelligence are unjustifiably neglected in the current picture of Evolution. I was pondering on information, programs, fractals in Evolution, whether they might be very important. I thought what if Evolution is mental in essence and the really important processes occur somewhere else unseen!

I'm aware that my knowledge is very scarce. But it brought TGD in my mind and I speculated this way. If biological body is a sensory receptor and motor instrument of the magnetic bodies, and biological bodies only carry out intentional actions, they could carry out "evolutionary thoughts" too. Maybe some kind evolutionary, creative problem solving on the long term.

There are loads of examples where the idea of gradual development is just useless because only the final state (many times remarkably complicated) is functional. This is why natural selection is meaningless between the in-between states. But irreducible complexity is dismissed (well, it is

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rather arrogantly ridiculized) on the grounds that structures like these have evidently evolved from other structures but we don't know exactly how :). Cunning.

The book brings up the flowers of some orchids as examples and I think they really look like creative solutions to a problem.

Is it possible in your view that, let's say, the above-mentioned flower is in essence a materialized thought?

What really astonishes me is that what a relief this could mean! We could simply get rid of all those far-fetched and idiotic evolutionary scenarios that cannot even be falsified and replace them with something elegant and meaningful! :-)

As far as I can, I have tried to imagine what magnetic bodies and p-adic cognitive space-time sheets might be like. But I've realized that I can't even tell them apart :). Could you write briefly some explanation of them?

[at the end of your post you wrote that we are living exciting times and soon after "hope-opathy", I liked this slip-up very much :))).]

thank you and all the best, Gábor

3. At 8:12 PM, Matti Pitkanen said... Dear Gabor,

"Magnetic body" is easier to explain. You have probably seen a visualization of a dipole magnetic field. Field lines emerge from North pole and go to South pole. In TGD, these lines are replaced with flux tubes. But not "flux tubes" in the same sense that Faraday already imagined. These tubes are 3-D surfaces in 8-D space-time -- sub-Universes which end at their surface. You can also think "magnetic walls" etc.

The first essential point is that the magnetic field decomposes into well-defined structures and one can assign to each physical system field identity -- magnetic body or more generally field body: same happens for electric field and also radiation fields (topological light rays). One can visualize a physical system as a kind of plant. "Biological body" is the seed and the "field body" is the plant which the seed does not see.

What is also essential is the complex topology of these flux tubes. They can be knotted and linked. This allows topological representation of information and the model for living system as a quantum computer relies on this kind of linking and knotting (braiding).

p-adicization is more difficult to explain. Rational numbers are the starting point. You get the continuum of reals by adding to rationals all algebraic numbers (roots of polynomial equations with rational coefficients) and also trascendentals like e and π.

You get from rationals also other number fields by completion to continuum but in different manner. p-Adic numbers are obtained by different completion involving different notion of magnitude characterized in terms of norm. One number field for each prime p -- p-adic number field -- and infinite number of algebraic extensions of this field. For this norm numbers pn, n→infinity are

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zero rather than infinite as in case of real norm. This means that most p-adic integers are infinite as real integers.

You get also now p-adic algebraics and p-adic transcendentals and different kind of continua. You get also infinite number of algebraic extensions: for reals just complex numbers. Extremely rich structure results.

By construction, rational numbers and also some algebraics are common to reals and p-adic numbers. This intersection property generalizes to the level of real and p-adic imbedding space and space-time surfaces. The common points represent the intersection of reality and p-adicitities.

p-adicities represent correlates of thoughts and intentionality in the proposed interpretation (which might be, of course, criticized and I am myself questioning it!). For instance, fermion states in zero energy ontology provide beautiful representation for Boolean statements and rules A→B and it might be that only intentionality has p-adic space-time sheets as correlates.

These common points are crucial for mediating the interaction between these reality and various p-adicities. That discrete set of points is in question conforms with the fact that all cognitive representations as the mathematician understands and interpreted as something belonging to the intersections of the reality and p-adicity are discrete.

What the p-adic counterpart of real physics is far from obvious and the basic idea is that the same idea of algebraic completion allows to get real and various p-adic physics from rational physics. Real and p-adic quantum worlds intersect only through space-time surfaces which allow interpretation either as p-adic or real space-time surface so that all data needed to represent them is expressible in terms of rational numbers and possibly some algebraics.

In other words, the surfaces can be expressed in terms of algebraic equations with rational coefficients. The notion of rationality is abstracted to the notion of polynomials with rational coefficients.

By the way, I have used somewhat non-logically the term "magnetic body as intentional agent" and "p-adic space-time sheets as correlates for intentions and actions". This has perhaps caused the confusion that you mention.

I think that I began to use "magnetic body as intentional agent" before my interpretation of p-adic space-time sheets stabilized. The purpose of the terminology was to emphasize the idea that conscious control can be assigned with magnetic bodies rather than biological bodies.

I conclude this long brief explanation by adding some confusion. Magnetic bodies of course have also p-adic counterparts!

Matti

4. At 2:22 PM, Ulla said...

Matti, this is quite a lot also for a biologist:-). This is WOW!!!

The first thing I thought of was an old mystery -- the Gurwitsch morphogenetic field. Mitogenic radiation was another mystery described by (for example) Kaznacheyev's cytopatogenic mirror

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effect. If 2 cultures stood next to each other in own cuvettes, the one with a quarts glass was infected with no other interference than "sight". Biophotonic emission was the source? Popp has later done much research on this. For example, see http://www.lifescientists.de/ib0204e_1.htm.

In Botany, plants exponed to microbes react by emitting a signal that will activate the immune response in other plants of the same species. The plants are warning their fellow partners.

Sick cells emit a (negative) signal. Popp speculates as follows (http://www.lifescientists.de/ib_004e32.htm): Carcinogenic substances in tissues absorb light and this absorption interfere with the normal growth and repair regulation. Only this light absorption is demanded and he asks the question whether metabolism at all is required. The degree of coherence of the biophoton field within the organism should be the important one and he associates with excited DNA.

Janusz Slawinsk (http://www.biophotonen-online.de/abstract/abs2000-16.htm) talks about necrotic radiation accompanying an irreversible perturbation of biohemostasis of a living organism is holistically integrated with the Omega-Point cosmological theory and occurs mainly with an oscillatory character. Conformational changes in the superhelices of DNA and radical chain reactions in the lipid membranes that leads to the decrease in the photon storage capacity and an increased emission.

Also the nuclear membrane shows to be important. If one assume that the signal is a kind of the electromagnetic holographic replica of the dying organism alike a multidimensional wave packet, then this replica personality exists in the time-less dimension. Since the metrical time does not flow for a photon, this may be considered as an Immortality.

Is this argument for the necessity of the information conservation of the all virtual equivalent personalities till the omega-P in order to evaluate their accomplishments and usefulness for the cosmic evolution. Life/Death or -- as you say -- the magnetic body.

This is quite something, you Matti! Suits TGD very well. See how your pulse runs high :-)

On light behavior in fractal tissues (http://www.lifescientists.de/ib_004e24.htm): in multicomponent solutions in conditions of gel formation, in liquid media near the crystallization threshold, etc. Here the localization occurs in folds of fractal surface separating phase or components. Due to the high concentration, the electromagnetic field localized in primary folds of the surfaces causes a further corrugation of the surface separating the components. Then new photons localize in these new folds etc.

A similar «folded» system are widely spreaded in Biology. And the long distance correlations in an arrangement of the folds result to independence of many characteristics of the system from its material.

Also the problem concerning the existence of a wave genetic code... You know I have talked about that.

Is this teleportation???

As a small comment … HIV can exist and transinfect in small parts of the virus. It enters the brain. Also priones do. Filtering alone is not enough. Sterilizing was done too. Was that enough?

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5. At 7:32 PM, Matti Pitkanen said...

Gurwich's mitogenetic field, Popp's biophotons, and Gariaev and other's findings about effect of visible light on living matter would combine to form one bigger story. EM radiation at widely different frequency ranges (UV, visible, IR, microwaves, radio waves {kHz frequency in the example discussed}) frequencies would be used to quantum control and communicate if the hierarchy of "EEG"s is realized.

The book Biosystems as Conscious Holograms summarizes the proposed picture. For instance, the kHz frequency and its harmonics detected in the recent experiment would be important also for neural synchrony. The key idea would be that hbar is large so that energies could be above thermal threshold and radiation would have strong effects.

Thank you for the abstract. I add the link here too => http://www.lifescientists.de/ib_004e24.htm. The localization into the folds of fractal structure is new to me. Alternative pictures are photons confined inside magnetic flux tubes or inside topological light rays parallel and attached to flux tubes.

The localization might well be involved and have counterpart in TGD framework with fractality related to quantum criticality with respect to phase transitions changing Planck constant crucial for the behavior of living matter in TGD Universe. I will try to explain.

(a) The mathematical realization for the hierarchy of Planck constants requires a generalization of the 8-D imbedding space. One obtains a book like structure (very loosely) in which different pages of correspond to almost copies of 8-D imbedding space.

(b) The folds of fractal surfaces could correspond to the back of the book and to one-dimensional lines at 3-D space-time surface. The back itself represents quantum critical phase at which phase transitions can changing Planck constant can occur meaning that particles leak between the pages of the book-like structure.

(c) Living matter is exceptionally quantum critical and the phase transitions changing Planck constant would be behind the basic behaviors of gel phase (contractions and expansions). The transformation making photons visible would mean leakage to the page corresponding to the ordinary value of hbar.

(d) This description of localization could be consistent with the descriptions I mentioned first.

I see no compelling connection with teleportation or with Omega point. The UV emission from dying cells could have many interpretations. For instance, as a leakage of dark photons transforming to ordinary UV photons with much higher frequency as coherence is lost. Or if negative energy photons are involved as a desperate attempt to gain metabolic energy by sending a burst of negative energy photons to some system able to absorb them.

6. At 3:10 AM, Ulla said... This will go somewhat beyond the theme.

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The folds of fractal surfaces could correspond to the back of the book with phase transitions by aid of photons. That is electrons. (This brings microtubules to mind, lining the cell membrane. And mitochondrions and radicals.)

Electrons are one part of the harmony. The other part is the protone. Electrones are quantum entangled in atoms and molecules, the whole body, also supergenomes. That means they interfere or communicate.

If piezoelectric tissues gets electrons from light in a diurnal rhythm, this will switch on/off metabolic systems too. And creates a need to get rid of electrons/photones as emission. That is communication with other systems. If that emission is UV-light, it lies on the sensitivity frequency (about 300 Hz) for DNA and will change it. The emission is very weak so the changes are probably not mutagenic but perhaps enough to switch on/off some orchestrated events.

Earlier you had a story about synchronized EEG-patterns in jazz musicians.

EM radiation at widely different frequency ranges (UV, visible, IR, microwaves, radio waves frequencies would be used to quantum control and communicate the hierarchy of "EEG"s. That is, of course, our senses that we can use to control our EEG (e.e., to disturb it). e.g., It is, on the contrary, our senses that has developed because of the harmony windows already existing. The base is the protone-electrone interferens (again about 300 Hz?) and the earthpulse, but the role of alpha- beta and gamma decay?

You have also mentioned Josephson currents in the soliton as the back of the book. Frequency 3-5 Hz. The soliton is light or sound or both? Frequency in kHz. (2 different waves, and there can be even a third wave in the pulse.) If we assume that the frequency could change according to information? Becker demonstrated an analog pulse in the nerve pulse too (in the connective tissue part of the nerve) that could contain the information. Generally the pulse is considered an "all or nothing" -- that is, digital. The different pulses are added to one signal.

When the electrical current stops, there is created a stronger magnetic field. This happens in the body in joints (e.g., the knee). But this magnetic field is not depending on the nerve pulse but on the water perhaps. Or the piezoelectric flow in gap junctions.

Sometimes I read of virus having a magnetic memory. And if these memories can be stored in our body as magnetic fields, they are conserved by frequencies (say delta or theta). You must use that same frequency that once created the memory to reach these old memories. Babies have another type of frequency than adults, so that's why we can't remember our earliest childhood.

These frequencies or fields can be added one upon the other as a sandwich or --as you say -- a "book". We can read past times through the frequency window -- that is fractal.

Your magnetic body is conscious and not just a field. But I can't grasp this conservation idea. How is it done? This question is essential for the functioning of homeopathy f.ex.

An acupuncture hole is fractal in structure (spiral with an apex) and leads light into the body by aid of chiral molecules. The light is trapped within the molecule and is released when the molecule change. Ex. receptor proteins function in this way. A light releaser?

Well, I have studied your theory quite long and some things I have learned. But still there is very much left to learn. It is so complex as it of course has to be. Let this be enough for this time.

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Does this reasoning make sense to you?

7. At 4:43 AM, Matti Pitkanen said...

You seem to confuse frequencies. Very low frequencies correspond to cyclotron frequencies in magnetic field and its intensity can vary. 0.2 Gauss is the value explaining old findings about effects of ELF photons on brain tissue and behavior.

UV photons are totally different -- frequencies around 1014 Hz. Josephson frequencies for cell membrane for the ordinary value of hbar are in infrared. For large hbar, these frequencies decrease as 1/hbar whereas energy does not depend on hbar for given Josephson voltage.

The memory mechanism in TGD is quite different from the standard one so that there is no absolute need to conserve memories. Even storing of memories is unnecessary unless one wants safety copies.

"Memories" are in the Geometric-Past -- in the simplest case in space-time region where the event happened and can be retrieved by communications to Geometric-Past using negative energy signals reflected back. This is just like seeing using reflected light but in time direction. Also time-like entanglement is possible and allows to share the experience of Past: essentially re-experience the event.

The Geometric-Past is changing quantum jump by quantum jump so that there is no "Absolute Past" in this sense. In principle, "editing" of the painful memories is possible. As you know, our memories are indeed rather unstable and therapies suggesting this kind of editing have been already suggested.

This picture does not make sense in standard physics ontology where the 2 times are identified boldly neglecting the fact that they differ in several crucial aspects. Somehow it is amusing that although already Einstein replaced 3-space with 4-D space-time, the realization that our conscious experience is about 4-D space-time region is very difficult to accept. Perhaps because this requires a new view of time, quantum non-determinism in Macroscopic time scales, and also the partial failure of exact Classical determinism. All these occur naturally in Zero Energy Ontology.

It is also amusing that professional physicists are ready to claim that there is no Time at all! Somehow many learned colleagues seem to be totally immune to facts that every schoolboy knows and everyone directly experiences;-)!

There are several delicate effects supporting this view. (Mention only Libet's findings.) The most recent support comes from the finding that neurons in hippocampus regenerate quite rapidly. Several hundred neurons per day if I remember correctly. The link is

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/10/15/us/brain-may-grow-new-cells-daily.html . You actually sent it to me. The finding that hippocampal neutrons are infants does not conform with the dogma that hippocampal cells are very old men remembering what happened in their youth. The discovery has been characterized as revolutionary.

8. At 6:51 AM, donkerheid said... Dear Matti,

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I read in your books that living matter is ordinary matter controlled by dark matter and ordinary matter is condensed around dark matter. (Where is dark matter then?:) Where does this enter the picture? And where is exactly a field body or how is it detectable?

thnq,Gabor

9. At 7:06 PM, Matti Pitkanen said... Thank you for good questions. You have been reading carefully!

I have used "book" metaphor to express the basic idea about dark matter. 8-D imbedding space has a book-like structure: almost copies of it with different hbar (hbar is like the page number) glued along back together. This oversimplification (which should not be taken too literally) helps to understand.

Matters at various sheets interact via Classical fields since gauge and gravitational fluxes can flow through the back between different pages. Also gauge bosons and gravitons can flow from page to another (hbar changing phase transition).

In this sense, dark matter in the TGD Universe interacts with ordinary matter unlike the dark matters of competing theories which interact only gravitationally or perhaps weakly. "Darkness" means in TGD that dark matter particles do not appear in same vertices of Feynman diagrams as particles of ordinary matter.

To my best knowledge, this is all what is needed to explain what we know about dark matter. Dark matter is highly structured and in so called anyonic phase essentially 2-dimensional. These 2-D surfaces carrying dark matter are in many respects like black hole horizons but have extremely complex topology and geometry and are also much larger forming a kind of fractal Indra's net.

Gravitational interaction between concentrations of dark matter tend to be around 2-D surfaces as in so called anyonic systems. Hence gravitational attraction tends to drive both dark matter and ordinary matter near the back of the "book". This means quantum criticality is crucial for the emergence of Intelligence and Life. The prediction is quantization effects for the dynamics of ordinary matter.

For instance, the radii of planetary orbits are quantized. This puzzling finding about both solar planets and known exoplanets suggesting the existence of quantum coherence in astrophysical length scales actually boosted the though process leading to the recent picture.

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You might ask what then differentiates between ordinary matter and dark matter. Is there some specific value of Planck constant making matter "ordinary"? There is. The most general prediction for Planck constant is that hbar corresponds to a rational number m/n and ordinary matter corresponds to m/n=1.

There are number theoretically-favored values of hbar: the phases exp(i(n/m)2π) = are number theoretically-simple for certain rationals m/n. This suggests for them a preferred physical role assuming that the evolution of Intelligence in the Universe corresponds to quantum jumps recreating

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it again-and-again as a more complex version containing more-and-more information about what the previous universe was. The creative feedback loop of consciousness.

The conscious Universe would be a mathematician. Mathematicians as images of God would be much more than those passive nerds stumbling around and missing all the time themselves or at least their eyeglasses;-)!

This quantal emergence of increasingly complex mathematical structures also means the emergence of physical realizations of increasingly complex algebraic extensions of p-adic numbers. Universe "discovers" increasingly complex algebraic numbers and perhaps also transcendentals. The simplest ones emerged first and should be visible in Physics. Hence simple rationals m/n.

10. At 10:58 PM, donkerheid said...

I'll have to learn a huge amount of things to really comprehend this. But I read it through several times and it sounds fantastic :).

If everything seems to be mathematics, geometry, topology, physics as number theory, space interpreted as numbers (if I can remember well), and even God is a mathematician, what is that really exists?

As I understood, the development of the Universe is in principle development of mathematical ideas which is accompanied by physical realizations. But Physics is a generalized number theory, so mathematics again. What is it that we call 'real' then? What can I actually see when I look at my hand for instance?

Another thing is that if we want to explain something, we have to bring into the picture something else. So some concepts inevitably remain unexplained and this seems to be a barrier for the entire scientific reasoning. I mean, Newton had no answer for what gravity really is. Can this be circumvented and is an absolute TOE possible?

11. At 12:27 AM, Matti Pitkanen said...

I see the quantum states of the Universe as mathematical ideas and the mathematician (or better to say just the conscious experience) as the quantum jump between these ideas.

Mathematician as biological system would exist only as an illusion. Intense sensory input from some space-time region creates the illusion "I am that space-time region".

One can distinguish between existences to various kinds. Mathematical ideas (the quantum states) would represent non-conscious existence. Quantum jumps between them would be conscious existence.

Gods -- or the entire fractal hierarchy of gods -- would be wandering (I typed first "wondering"!) in the space of states of Universe and evolution would mean that they become more-and-more complex providing representation about previous quantum states. Consciousness would mean re-creation of the Universe -- something between the material worlds obeying laws of Physics.

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One could also speak about geometric existence represented by Classical physics and providing very abstract symbolic representations for the contents of consciousness at space-time level in terms of field patterns, particles, geometric objects, etc. This is how we can concretely represent the deeper quantum reality.

Maybe TOE is possible in the sense that certain basic laws are more-or-less final. There is, however, infinite richness of structure by Goedel's theorem so that the Universe becomes an endlessly evolving TOE.

12. At 1:40 AM, Ulla said... Very interesting philosophings... I like philosophy very much indeed. And myths.

But this is something that will continue my earlier response.

I have recently heard about some research on brain cells. That the brain renew itself much more than we had thought. The brain is a very special tissue, thought to be incapable to regenerate. This is not true. We just have to go "round the table" first. As in the cancer-question.

Here are some remarks. First one is from June this year => http://www.sciencealert.com.au/news/20090306-19256.html :

"We triggered rapid neurodegeneration in the brains of mice, and it was immediately followed by a very rapid regenerative response. We wanted to know why this response could occur so effectively after acute neurodegeneration.

"On further investigation, we found high levels of a molecule known as Activin A whenever regeneration occurred. This was especially interesting because Activin A is released from nerve cells.

"Clearly Activin A was playing an important part in the regenerative process, so we triggered neurodegeneration and at the same time blocked Activin A. The difference was dramatic. Regeneration all but ground to a halt."

And another from mars. www.crt-dresden.de, Gerd Kempermann of the CRTD.

Throughout a lifetime, new nerve cells are created from these brain stem cells (for example, granular cells just a few micrometers wide). With the help of mathematical models, the researchers believe that these emerge in a specific region of the hippocampus (Gyrus dendatus). However, the exact function of these stem-cell-produced granular cells in the adult hippocampus has been unclear.

By using granular cells, the brain can comprehend changing environments, register changes in known environments, and record these in relation to other experiences. (i.e., the brain learns instead of relying on older states of knowledge. The role of granular cells in qualitative aspects of learning.).

The treated mice searched for a long time around the old sit, while the untreated animals adapted much quicker to the new situation. The scientists concluded that the lack of newborn granular cells was responsible for this discrepancy.

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http://www.biotechnologie.de/BIO/Navigation/EN/root,did=96280.html?listBlId=74464& and as open access article at

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0005464 .Very interesting findings.

A third one according left/right assymmetry in the brain: Isao Ito of Kyushu University in Fukoka, Japan, Science, vol 300, 2003.

The left brain excels at analytical, more focused tasks while the right brain does better at tasks that involve the "bigger picture" such as understanding metaphors and recognizing faces.

One kind of receptor on nerve cells is distributed differently on the right and left sides of the hippocampus -- gives a mirror effect.

About regeneration of nerve cells, see Mashanov, http://www.sciencedirect.com, Tissue and Cell, Volume 40, Issue 5, October 2008, Pages 351-372

There should also be a news about nerve cells wandering around in the brain just as Edelman once said. If I could find it. Quite new.

By the way, I found a new funny blog. Wanderings. http://www.wanderings.net/notebook/Main/HomePage

See here: Leading cause of death - Medical care!

13. At 1:52 AM, Ulla said... One more:

How do the stem cells measure the stiffness of their environment? Engler thinks that the answer is simple. They pull.

Each cell has an internal skeleton of thin fibers that give it support (seen in white in the image on the right). These fibers touch the cell's outer layer at specific point, and the cell makes contact with its environment at these same points.

By exerting tension along these fibers, the cell can sense how elastic its surroundings are. This information is conveyed through a series of messenger molecules and tells the cell which path to take. It seems that even for stem cells, commitment comes only after a period of tension.http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/05/

stem_cells_only_grow_up_properly_in_the_right_environment.php

Guess microtubules are a big part of this and quantum computation -- perhaps giving rise to those nanotubes...

14. At 3:51 AM, Ulla said... This was a very interesting thread. Hope others think so too.

Moving images of how nerve cells like social, swimming beings seek out each other are now suggesting entirely new and breathtaking perspectives to researchers. How stem cell transplants do their work.

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"The film is revolutionary in that it shows how auditory nerves develop. Like social beings, they explore their surroundings and find a partner. You can see how the nerves -- without any direct contact -- signal each other and like ants in an anthill help each other communicate and form a nerve node, a so-called ganglion …"

http://www.uu.se/news/news_item.php?typ=pm&id=587

And an older one I think I have already sent you:

"A protein called Wnt5 -- a member of a large family of signaling molecules -- binds to a receptor called Derailed present on the surface of growing nerve cells.

This binding guides the tips of these nerve cells to their final destination by preventing them from entering the wrong pathway. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/03/030320073551.htm

And so I stumbled over a very interesting one concerning HIV:

"Researchers filmed individual HIV particles as they traveled to the nucleus of a human cell and began taking over its genetic machinery.

"The virus can be seen traveling along a part of the host cell's own skeletal framework of microtubules as it makes its way from the outer membrane to the nucleus. The virus hitches a ride aboard a multi-unit protein called dynein = a railroad. The virus is made of an outer shell (or envelope) and a core (referred to as a particle) which is composed of proteins and genetic material. When the virus attacks an immune cell, it fuses with the cell's membrane and releases its particle core inside.

"The tiny particles -- only about 12 millionths of a centimeter in diameter -- have to cross a distance that is up to 500 times their size to reach the nucleus. Moreover, the way is blocked by all kinds of cellular structures.

"They appear to jump from one microtubule to another, moving in a jagged path, even sometimes moving backward. At the periphery of the nuclei, the scientists saw the viruses form complexes with genetic material of the host cells. http://www.uic.edu/depts/paff/newsbureau/hivphotos.html

To enter the brain they must pass straight through the cells.

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