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Vol.24 #2 Apr.2003

The Le Neuf Family: State of Knowledge

Ren6 Jett6, Roland-Yves Gagn6, John Patrick Dulong, and Paul LePortier

Part III of Itr

[Editor's note: Part Il appeared in Michigan's Habitant Heritage [MHIl;,Vol.24,#1, Ianuary 2002. pp.l -e l

Table 5: Ancestry of Jeanne Le Marchand, Wife of Mathieu le Neuf,Sieur du H6risson, to Charlemagne

I. Jeanne Le Marchand and Mathieu Le Neui sieur du H6risson, married soon after the promise ofmarriage announcement. 5 December 1599, Protestant church of Caen (Calvados) [see tables 3 and41.

II. St6venotte de St Germain and Gervais Le Marchand. sieur de La Bellonidre. married by contractdated 2l April 1570 [see tables 3 and 4].

III. Olivier de St Germain, sieur du Post, and Frangoise de Breul, married around 1540 [see table 4].

IV. Frangois de St Germain, sieur du Post, and Hdldne de Corday, married around 1500/l 5 I 0 [see table41.

V. Olivier de St Germain, sieur du Post, and Jeanne de Rouelld, manied around \46011470 [see table41.

Vl. Jeanne de La Poterie and (Jean) de St-Germain, married around 1440/1450 [see table 4].

VII. Jean de La Poterie, seigneur de La Nocherie,r and Pierrette de Roussel, married around l4l0ll420

[La Roque, op. cit., book XI, pp. l178-1179] [Surville 1910, op. cit., p.232] [A. Surville,"Gen6afogie de la famille de Roussel," Le pays Bas-Normand, l" bulletin (l9ll): 9-l5l UeanDurand de Saint-Front, "Armorial," Le pays Bas-Normand. new series, no. 4 (1968): 40] [LaRoque. op. cil.. book XI . p. 1 1791.

VIII. Almaric de La Poterier and Philippote de Lignon, married around 1380/1390 fsurville 1910, op.cit., p.2321 [Jean Durand de Saint-Front, op. cit., p.40] [Abbd Gourdel, Le centre du Houlme( 1 9 0 5 ) . p . 2 l e l .

I La Nocherie. commune of St-Bdmer. canton of Domliont (Ome). On 28 January 1433. he obtained by letlers of

the king. "sufferance for one yeai' to show faith and homage due for the seigneurie of La Nocherie, "as it came and

fell to him as an inieritance ftom his deceased grandfather" [La Roque p. I179]. Consequently. even if the names

of the father and mother of Jean de La Poterie are un}nown, the lefiers of 1433, which speci! the mode of

devolution ofthe seigneurie ofLa Nocherie. fumish proofofhis ancestors. In addition, the names ofthe father and

the mother of Penette de Roussel are found in Surville: she would be the daughter of Juliot de Roussel, sieur de

Breel. and of Charlone du Moustier fSurvil le l9ll, p. 1l]. However, according to Durand de Saint-Front, the

genealogy of Roussel published by Surville "mixes with no proof [the Roussels of Sr-B6mer] with the Roussels of

the County of Mortain [and] with the Rousees de La Nocherie. [...] This genealogy has to be completely re-

verif ied. Drior to 1450."

I There is no proofofthe father and mother ofJean de La Poterie (generation VII); only the ancestors can be traced,

as mentioned in the previous note. Nevertheless. it could be Almaric de La Poterie, husband of Philippote de

IX.

X .

XI.

xlr.

XIII.

Perrette Rous6e, dame de La Nocherier and Jean de La Poterie.j married around 1350/1160[Surville 1910. op. cit., pp.23l-232] [A. Surville, "Histoire f6odale de Saint-B6mer," Le pays Bas-Normand.2"d bulletin (l9ll): 88-891 fPaul LePortier. "La famille de Vassy," Hdrildique etgini al ogie. no. I 42 (January-March I 997): 28-3 l, p. 29).

Jeanne de Vassyt and Robert Rousde,6 seigneur de La Nocherie, married around 1330 [Surville1910. op. cit., pp. 230-2311 [Durand de Saint-Front, op. cit., p.40] [LePortier 1997 , op. cit., p. 29f[Compldments aux quartiers des enfants de Pierre Favier." Revue gdndalogique normande, no.63(July-September 1997): 325-33 I , p. 3281.

Isabelle Tesson and Roland III de Vassy, seigneur de La For6t-Auvray, manied before the feast ofSt-Maur l3l2 [LePortier 1997, op- cit., p.29) ["Complements ...," op. cit., p.328] [La Chenaye-Desbois and Badier. op. clr.. vol. XIX. "Vassy." p. 5261.

Jean II Tesson, seigneur de Subligny, and Thomasse N..., married around 1280/1290 [LePortrer1997. op. cit., p.291 ["Complements ...," op. cit., p. 328] [La Chenaye-Desbois and Badier, op.cjr.. vol. XlX. "Vassy," p. 5261.

Jean I Tesson, seigneur de Subligny, and N..., married around 125011260 ["Complements ...,", op.cir.. p. 32E1.

Lignon. married before 22 January 1397, date when she shared with her elder sister. Colette. the inheritance oftheirfather. Olivier de Lignon [document reported by Abb€ Gourdel]. This paternity is likely. as it would explain howthe seigneurie of Lignon and the given name of Olivier fell into the patrimony of the St-Germain family. As amatter of fact. La Roque writes that "the seigneurie of Lignon to which succeeded the house of Sainte-Marie,followed by that of [the house of] La Potede, and finally the seigneurs of St-Germain-Langot. was formerlypossesed by those lthe seigneurs] of Lignon." However, he does not explicitly affirm that the St-Germains aredescendants of Olivier de Lignon.

r The proofofthe father and mother of Perrette Rousde is found in the fact that she inherited La Nocherie, the sameseigneurie inherited. in tum. by her grandson, Jean de La Poterie (generation VII). In fact, on 22 June 1404, "Jehande La Poterie. esquire. seigneur de La Nocherie. because of Perrette Rousde. his wife" renders an aven of the fief ofLa Nocherie to the Count ofAlenqon [Survil le l9l l. p. 88]. The name ofthe mother of Perrette Rousde is found inLePortier 1997.

' The name ofthe father ofJean de La Poterie is found in Surville: he is the son of Mathieu de La Poterie [Survillel9l0l, without a doubt the one mentioned by La Roque (see the note concerning the patemity of Olivier de St-Germain. generation V).

j According to Dumnd de Saint-Front, the name of the father of Jeanne de Vassy would be Guyon de Vassy.

seigneur de Ia Foret-Auvray. ln contrast. according to LePortier 1997 and the "Complements ...." the names ofthefather and the mother of Jeanne de Vassy would instead be Roland III de Vassy, seigneur de la ForCt-Auvray. andlsabelle Tesson. Just the same. all are in agreement on the approximate year ofher marriage to Robert Rousde:around 1i30. ln facl. the three genealogists get their information fiom the same source: a genealogical manuscriptabout the Vassy family preserved at the Archives departementales de la Manche, the author of which is Durand deSaint-Front [sic] who affirms that Jeanne de Vassy. spouse of Roben Rousee. is the rrirer. and not the daughter, ofCuyot de Vassy. lt appears that Durand de Saint-Fronr may have been the victim ofan unfortunate distraction whiledrafting the notice conceming the Rousde family in his armorial.

u The names ofthe father and mother ofRoben Rousee are unknown. However. at least. we know that he was rneseigneur de La Nocherie between 1346 and 1375. dates ofdocuments in which he appeared in this capaciry.

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1II XIV. Pdtronille de Montfort. dame de Rambouillet. and Raoul Paynel (who took the name of Tesson).7

married around 1239 [Jacques Polonovski and Paul LePortier. ' 'La famille Paynel," Revuegdndalogique normande. no. 47 (July-September 1993): 256-259, p. 2571 [pdre Anselme, Histoiregdndalogique er chrctnc ogique de Ia Maison royale de France..., continued by M. du Foumy anoaugmented by Pere Ange and Pdre Simplicien. Augustins D6chauss6s, 3'd rev. ed.,9 vols. (Paris,1126-1733); reprint ed..9 vols. (Paris: Editions du Palais Royal printers, 1967), vol. VI, p.751["Complements ..., ' ' op. cit.. p.3281.

XV. Guy de Montfort. comte de Bigone, title gained through his wife. and P6tronille de Comminges,comtesse de Bigone, marriage contract November 1216 [Anselme, op. cit., vol. VI, p. 75(Montfort) and vol. II, p. 631 (comminges)] [G. E. cockayne and others, The Complete peerage.13 vols . (London. Uni ted Kingdom. l9 l0-1959) , "Leicester . " vo l . VI I , pp. 540-549, n. h l .

XVL Alix de Montmorency and Simon V. seigneur de Montfort and comte de Leicester, married beforeI 190 [Anselme. op. cit.. vol. VI. p. 75 (Montfort) and vol. III, p. 569 (Montmorency)] fCockayne,op. cit.. pp. 537-5491 [Erich Brandenburg, Die Nachkommen Karls des Grossen (Frankfurt amMein (Germany), 1935. reprint 1964, xii-122 pages), Zentralstelle fi.ir deutsche Personen - undFamiliengeschichte. coll. "Genealogie und Landesgeschichte," vol. l0: "Caroli Magni Progenies,"no. I , XIV 5241.

XVII. Laurence de Hainaut and Bouchard V, sire de Montmorency.8 manied 1 | 73 [Anselme. op. cit., vol.III. p. 569 (Montmorency') and vol. II. p. 776 (Hainaut)l fCockayne, op. cit.. p.540] [Brandenburg,op. cit.. Xlll 328 and XIII 3401.

XVIIL Baudouin [V. comte de Hainaut, and Alix de Namur, married around I130 [Anselme, op. c ., vol.ll, pp. 77 5-776 (Hainaut)l [Brandenburg, op. cit., Xll 242 and Xll2901.

XIX. Baudouin IIl. comte de Hainaut, and Yolande de Gueldre. married around I107 [Anselme, op. cit.,vol. tt. pp. 774-775 (H^inaut)l [Brandenburg, op. cit.. Xll 150).

XX. Baudouin ll. comte de Hainaut. and Ide de Louvain, married 1084 [Anselme. op. cit., vol. II, pp.773-774 (Hainaut)l [Brandenburg, op- cit..Xl 102].

XXI. Baudouin VI. comte de Flandres et de Hainaut (as Baudouin I). and Richilde. widow of Hermann,comte de Hainaut, married around 1055 fAnselme. op. cit.. vol. ll. p. 711 (Flandres) nd p. 773(Hainaut)l [Brandenburg. op. cit..X 591.

XXIL Addle de France and Baudouin V, comte de Flandres. married 1028 [Anselme, op. cit., vol. l. p. 72(France) and vol. II. p. 716 (Flandres)l [Brandenburg, op. cit.,lX 51 and XI 245].

' The names ofthe father and the mother of Raoul Paynel. who later changed his surname to Tesson, are mentionedin Polonovski and LePonier. as well as in the "Compldments ...": he is the son of Guil laume Paynel, seigneur duCrippon and de Subligny. married in l2l4 to Pdtronil le Tesson. dame de Percy and de La Roche-Tesson. He tookthe name of his mother and he was probably seigneur de Subligny and de La Roche-Tesson. His ancestry is foundin Polonovski and LePonier. Anselme names the husband ofPdtronil le de Montfon as "Raoul de la Roche-Tesson."

3 As for Bouchard V. sire de Montmorency. he is the son of Mathieu I. sire de Montmorency and of Aline or Alice.i l legitimate daughter of Henry I. King of Engiand, himself the son of Will iam I. the Conqueror. duc de Normandieand King of England fAnselme. op. cit.- vol. l l l . p. 569 (Montmorency)] fCockayne. op. cit., vol. XI, appendix D:"Henry I 's I l legitimate Children." p. I l7l.

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XXII I .

XXIV.

Robert II. roi de France, and Constance de Provence, married 1003/1005 [Anselme, op. cit.,vol.l,pp.7l-72 (Frmce)l [Brandenburg, op. cit.,X 1371.

Hugh Capet, roi de France, and Adelaide N..., married summer 968 fBrandenburg, op. cit.,IX l01l[Karl Ferdinand Wemer, "Die Nachkommen Karls des Grossen bis um das Jahr 1000", Karl derGrosse: Lebenswerk und Nachleber, vol. IV: Das Nachleben (Diisseldorf: Wolfgang Braufels &Percy Ernst Schramm. 1967), pp. 403-482 and genealogical table VIII 11,p.4761.

Hughes Ie Grand, duc de France, and Hedwige de Saxe. married either on 9 May or 14 September938 at Mayence or Ingelheim [Wemer, op. cir, genealogical table VII 9, pp. 462463).

Bdatrice de Vermandois and Robert I"'. roi de France, married around 895 [Brandenburg, op. cil.,VI 3 notel [Werner. op. clr., genealogical table VI 4, p.458].

XXV.

XXVI.

XXVll. Hdribert I"'. comte de Vermandois, and N... [Brandenburg, op. cit., Y 3l fWemer, op. cit.,genealogical table V 3, p. 4551.

XXVIII. P6pin. comte dans la r6gion de Paris, and N ... [Brandenburg, op. cit., Ml fwemer, op. cit.,genealogical table IV l, p. 4581.

XXIX. Bernard. roi d'ltalie, and Cundgonde N..., married around 815 [Brandenburg, op. cit., In \[Werner. op. cit. genealogical table III 2. p.455].

XXX. P6pin l"'. roi d'ltalie. and N..., married around 795 [Brandenburg. op. cit.,Il ll fWemer, op. cit.,genealogical table II 5. p.4431.

XXXI. Charles I"'dit Charlemagne, roi des Francs et empereur d'Occident, and Hildegarde N..., married771 [Brandenburg. op. cit., | 1] [Wemer, op. cit., genealogical table I l, p. 442].

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and Jeanne de Rouell6,manied around 1460/ | 47 0

-For A-merican readers perhaps an explanation ofthe fascination in Sissi among French-Canadians is necessary. The

life of Empress Elizabeth of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, who was nicknamed Sissi, was portrayed in amovie tri logy staring Romy Schneider ("Sissi." 1955: "Sissi-Die junge Kaiserin," 1956; and .,sissi-Schicksalsjahre einer Kaiserin." 1957). Though made in German. a version with French subtitles was DoDular inQudbec.

Table 6: Relationship between Eliz:beth, Empress of Austria,and C6line Dion'

Jean de St Germain and Jeanne de La PoterieManied around 1440/1450

Jean de St-Germain,seigneur de St-Germain-Langot

et de St-Laurent-en-Caux.and N.... married around 1460114'10

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VI

I I I

IV

IX

X

Michel de St-Germain.seigneur de St-Germain-Langot

et de St-Laurent-en-Caux.and St6venotte Le Veneur.marr ied around I 500/1510

Marie de St-Germain.dame de St Laurent-en-Caux-and Guy d'Harcourt. baron de

Beauffou.marriage contract 26 June I546

Pierre d'Harcourt. marquis deBeuvron.

and Guyonne de Matignon.marriage contract 30 November 1578

Frangois II d'Harcourt. marquis deBeuvron.

and Renee d 'Epinal de St-Luc.marriage contract 27 June 1626

I

Franqois III d'Harcourt, marquis deBeuvron and

Catherine Le Tellier de Tourneville,marriage contract 27 April 16,18

II

Henri d'Harcourt. duc d'Harcourtand Marie Anne Claude Brulart.

marriage 3 I January 1687

Frangois d'Harcourt. duc d'Harcourt.and Marie Madeleine Le Tellier

de Barbezieux.m a r r i a g e 3 l M a 1 l 7 1 7

II

Frangoise C laire d'Harcourtand Emmanuel Dieudonnd.

marquis de Hautefort.marriage ,1 August 1738

Frangois de St-Germain,seigneur du Post,

and Hdldne de Corday,married around I 500/l 510

IOlivier de St-Germain, Seigneur du Post,

and Frangoise de Breul,married around 1540

IStdvenotte de St-Germain.and Gervais Le Marchand,

seigneur de La Bellonidre et de La Roque.marriage contract 2l April 1570

IJeanne Le Marchand

and Mathieu Le Neuf. sieur du Hdrisson.married 5 December 1599. Protestant

Church. Caen

V I I Michel Le Neuf,and

sieur du Hdrisson.\ I

Anne du Hdrissonand Antoine Desrosiers.

marriage contract 24 November 1647.notary Boujonnier

IJean Desrosiers

and Frangoise Dandonneau.marr iage 20 January I681.

La Vis i ta t ion de Champla in (Champla in)

IMichel Desrosiers

and Marie Jeanne Moreau,marriage 28 May I 7l 6.

St-Germain de Rimouski (Rimouski )

VI I I

i-l

XI

XII

XIII

XIV

XV

Ad6laide Julie de Hautefonand Louis Joseph Augustin de Mailly,

marquis de Nesle,maniage 4 April 1765

IAnne Ad6laide Julie de Mailly

and Louis Marie Eugdne de Ligne,prince d'Arenberg,

marriage 30 June 1788, Paris

II

Am6lie Louise Julie de Ligned'Arenberg

and Pie Auguste duke in Bavarra,marriage 26 May 1 807

iMaximilian, duke in Bavaria,

and Ludovica- princess of Bavaria.marriage 9 September 1828

II

Elizabeth "Sissi." princess in Bavaria.and Franz Joseph Ist.

emperor of Austro-Hungarian Empire.marriage 24 April 1854

Louis Desrosiersand Genevidve Desprds,

marriage 17 54,St-Germain de Rimouski (Rimouski)

IJean Desrosiers

and Marie Josdphe Dub6,marriage 23 June 1800,

Notre-Dame-de-Liesse de Rividre-Ouel le(Kamouraska)

IMarguerite Desrosiersand Frangois Pelletier,

marriage 24 September 1827,St-Germain de Rimouski (Rimouski)

IAimable Pelletier

and C6lina Hudon dit Beauheu.marriage 25 February 1868,

Ste-Anne-des-Monts (Gasp6)

iAlma Pelletier

and Norbert Bariault,marriage 2 September 1903,Ste-Anne-des-Monts (Gasp6)

Emestine Barriaultand Charles Dion,

marriage 25 Apnl 1922.St-Edouard-des-M6chins (Matane)

IAdh6mar Dion

and Thdrdse Tanguay,marriage 20 June 1945,

St-Z6ph irin-de-La-Tuque (St-Maurice)

IC6line Dion

XVI

XVII

XVII

Sources for the Elizabetb, Empress of Austria, branch.

Generations I and II: table 4, generations V and VI; generations II to IV: Gilles-Andrd de la Roque,Histoire gdnialogique de la Maison d'Horcourt (Paris, 1662), livre XI, pp. llTl-1183; Armand B6net,Inventaire sommaire des mchives dipartementales antdrieures d 1790, Calvados, archives civiles, sdrie

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IE. Tonte prentier: Duchi d'Harcourl (Caen: Henri Delesques. 1905) p. 290t Pdre Anselme. llisloiregdndulogique et chronologique de Ia Maison royale de France..., continued by M. du Fourny andaugmented b-v. Pdre Ange and Pdre Simplicien. Augustins Dqhauss6s. 3'd rev. ed.,9 vols. (Paris, 1726-)733): reprint ed.. 9 vols. (Paris: Editions du Palais Royal printers. 1967). "Le Veneur." vol. VIII. p. 258.Generations IV to X: Anselme. op. cit., "Harcourt," vol. V, p. 154: Detlev Schwennicke, EuropaitscheStammtafeln,2l vols. to date (Marburg (Germany): J.A. Stargardr Verlag, 1978-2002), vol. X, 1986,tabfes 132-133 (Harcourt). Generations X to XIII: M. Potier de Courcy. Histoire gdndaktgique etchronologique de Iq mqison royale de France.... (Paris. (France), 1879), vol. IX, part II, pp.533-534(Hautefort). 884-885 (Mailly), and 738 (Ligne-Arenberg). Generations XIII to XV: Schwennicke, op.clr.. vol. I. table 33 (Bavaria).

Sources for the C6line Dion branch.

Generations I and VI: table 4. generations I and VI. Generations V[ to X: Rend Jett6, Dictnnnatreginlalogique des familles du Qulhec des origines d 1730 (Montreal. Les Presses de l'Universit6 deMontrdal. pp. 348 (Desrosiers) and 713 (Le Neuf): Generations X to XVII: marriage acts.

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Editor's note: Generation IX: Jean Desrosiers and Frangoise Dandonneau. Jean Desrosiers ditDutremble was buried on 24 February 1704 in Champlain Uette, p. 348]. Marie-Frangoise Dandonneaumarried Henri B6lisle dit Lamarre. the first known surgeon in Detroit, on 26 November 1705 inChampfain. Fruncois dandoneuu is first documented in Detroit. as the wife of Sieur Belisle^ chirurgienau fort pontchartrain du detroit. on 26 July 1707 when she signed as godmother to Joseph. the son ofHurons. Marie-fi"ansoisse dundonneau signed as the godmother to Frangois. the son of Nrplsizgs. on I )October 1707. Frangoise Dandonneau. widow of Jean Desrosiers dit Dutremble and wife of HenriBelisle. was buried on 9 Ma"v' lTll in Detroit. fJettd. p.79]. It is verv possible she brought her children, atleast the youngest ones lunderlined]. with her to Detroit: Jean-Baptiste. Michel. Joseph-Marie. Jacques.Louis. Marie-Madeleine-Angdliq ue lsometimes Marie-Angilique, Angdlique-Cdcile or even Madeleine(Mdntoires de Ia Socidtd Gindalogique Frangaise-Canadienne.#2I I. Volume 18. #1. printemps 1997, pp.3 7-39/ Catherine-Josephe- Antoine and Bonaventure. Some of the sons of Marie-Frangoise Dandonneauand Jean Desroisers were involved in the fur trade. Joseph Desrosiers dit Dutremble- from Champlain.u,as hired to go to Fort Pontchartrain on 25 September l7l0 in a contract by Adhemar. Jean-BaptisteDesrosiers dit Dutremble was also involved in the lur trade. In a contract by Adhdmar on I October 1709Alexis Germain was hired b) Jean Baptiste Desrosiers Dutremble to take a canoe fil led with merchandisefrom Montrdal to Detroit for M. de Videmont [.src], an officer at the fort. On 22 March 1717 LouisDesrosiers dit Dutremble. along with Baltazard Dubord and Frangois Drsrs. in a contract by Adhemar,were hired by Paul Guillet to go to Michilimackinac. On 24 Mav 1123. in Sorel. Louis married ThdreseFafard. daughter of Louis Fafard dit Delorme. who may have gone to Detroit in the July 1704 convoy.and Ursule Jacob. On 2J May l7l7 Jacques Desrosiers. in a contract by Adh6mar. hired Joseph Lefebvreto go to Detroit. He was buried on 30 May 1725 in Kaskaskia [Jett6. p. 348]. On 22 May )725. inMontreal. Antoine Desrosiers married Marie-Anne Saint-Yves. daughter of Jacques SaintYves. who hadbeen in Detroit in 1710. and Jacqueline Chartier. Below are two of the signatures used by Marie-Frangoise Dandonneau at Fort Pontchartrain.

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