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March 31st, 2008

ithinkimamedic Grand Member

Join Date: May 2006Location:Box 8-10, Pennsylvania(Centre County)Age: 27Posts: 1,380Rep Power: 124

SBR'd AR15 - a brief guide and my experience

So I decided I wanted to build a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR) on the AR platform. After doing a bunch of research,

reading a metric ass ton of information and asking plenty of questions I finally figured out everything I needed to do.

This is/was the first Form 1 I had done. So far to date Ive done 3 Form 4s so I have an idea how things need to be

filled in and what needs to be sent in but it is not so clear if you have never done this before. With that all in mind I

have decided to help document my SBR adventure and hopefully will be able to help everyone else out who is

hesitant to do it but is scared of the paperwork. I will preface this with the following. If you didnt understand what I

was talking about or know what a SBR is you should stop now and read over 2 of the following l inks before you start

to ask questions.

First one is Quick FAQS related to Machine Guns and Suppressors...

more

d AR15 - a brief guide and my experience http://forum.pafoa.org/nfa-class-3-title-ii-34/20540-sbrd-ar15-br

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and the second one is READ FIRST - Process to acquire/make NFA items in Pennsylvania by JayBell .

If you have read those and understand everything proceed, if not click the links and educate yourself.

Well to start off I needed to figure out if I was going to SBR an AR15 that I already had or if I was going to start from

scratch. I decided to start from scratch for my build. Picking the receiver is a very personal thing so Im not going to

touch much on that other than make sure you get one that your willing to keep for potentially a long time. I picked

one of the Anvil Arms AA15 PAFOA receivers for my build. Back to the receiver shortly.

Now there are a number of paperwork item that you need to acquire to be able to do this. I ordered them for free

from the BAFTEs website. Link here http://www.atf.gov/dcof/index.htm

You will need the following Forms.

2 - F 1 (5320.1) - Application to Make and Register a Firearm

1 - F 5330.20 - Certificate of Compliance With 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B)

Also fingerprint cards

2 - FBI FD-258LE - NFA, Imports ORI WVATF0100

With those items off the check list you will also need the following.

2 Recent Photographs (Passport style) 2x2

1 Personal Check for $200 Made out to BAFTE Dept of Treasury

1 Envelope to mail everything I use a large 8.5x11 envelope to keep everything flat.

Lastly you will have to either engrave your receiver or barrel marking them with the builder information. Read this

for details about the required markings.

Current ATF Marking requirements for NFA Items...

So now that we know the requirements for marking the receivers I decided to have my information (Name on line

one, town and state on line two) marked on the right side of my receiver above the trigger group. I had my work

done before it came to my FFL just to make things easier on my end. It was done by Charles Smyder (FFL/SOT) in

Alachua FL and cost me a total of $35 to have it shipped to him from Anvil Arms, engraved and then shipped to my

FFL. There are a couple of other places that do engraving and Ill update this as I hear from other companies doing

good work.

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Now back to the paperwork at hand.

When I got the package from the BAFTE it looked like this (minus the writing on the envelope) (bonus points to

anyone who can identify the phone number written on the envelope too!)

There was a check list to make sure they sent all your forms as well as re-order form for additional forms (snail mail

form). When I ordered I got a bunch of forms that I figured I would need for the next year or so.


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Your Form 1 form should look like the following on the front


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The Form 1 should look like this on the back


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It come with 2 forms attached and one page (front and back) of instructions which are as follows


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You should also have your F5330.20 Certificate of compliance with U.S.C. 922 (g) (5) (B) which will be referred to as

the citizenship form by me from here out. It should look l ike this and it MUST be a full size page


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and youre good.

Box 4f. Overall length if there is a collapsible stock this should be OPENwhen measuring

Box 4g. Serial number this should be the Manuf. marked SN, if your making from scratch then this is the SN you

put in it.

Box 4i. Why are you making this item. I put all lawful purposes

If your not a FFL / SOT ignore blocks 5 and 6.

Go through and answer all of the questions for 7 and 8 then sign block 9. and date block 11.

Next you have to flip the form over and in box 12. you affix recent photograph here I use tape on 4 sides. Is it over

kill, maybe, do I care. No.

Section 13 is the CLEO signature part (required for doing the individual route) If this is your first time getting forms

done from your CLEO dont fill in anything other than your name, just let them write everything in. From filling out

Form 4s in the past my Sheriff said he appreciates that I filled in the appropriate information and saved him the time

so I did it on my Form 1 too. Do this at your own risk.


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You will then need to fill out your Citizenship form. Its easy and fast and quite frankly kinda silly but with out it your

not going to get approved forms. Fill out blocks 1 AND 2 (or it will get kicked back!) Blocks 3 and follow the rest of

the instructions as noted on the form. Sign it, date it and put it in the stack of papers.

Now you should have everything you need to send in but I will place a l ist bellow to double check.

BAFTE Form 1 Two (2) copies complete with photos attached and signatures on BOTH forms

Citizenship Form 1 completed and signed.

Fingerprint cards filled out completely 2 cards

Personal Check for $200

ETA: Form 1's get mailed to Martinsburg and Form 4's get mailed to Atlanta.

Drop those all into the envelope, make sure you have the CORRECT address in Martinsburg

NFA Branch

244 Needy Road

Martinsburg WV

25401

Atlanta will work, It will just be slower.

BAFTE

NFA BRANCH

P.O. BOX 530298

ATLANTA, GA 30353-0298

Mail it away and start the waiting game! Dream of the uppers and different calibers you want to use, buy magazines,ammo and all the stuff you dont need but want anyways! After a couple of weeks/months you will get a letter in the

mail saying you are approved and One (1) of the Form 1s will come back with the little $200 stamp on it! Do the

happy dance and the photocopy the original and put it in a safe place!!! Then get to it in making that SBR and

shooting the hell out of it!!! Good job slugger you made it through a BAFTE Form 1 Manufacturing of a S.B.R.!

As stated many times above this will be updated periodically as more information comes to light or things change.

XD45 this is for you.

Cheers all!

Josh

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Originally Posted by GunLawyer001

Buy a silencer.

Tax: $200

Cost of effective 5.56 suppressor: $500

Letting the elderly neighbors sleep in until morning: Priceless.

"132 and Bush I've got him at gun point, OK gun point, 132 and bush, cover is code 3"

My first sticky! SBR YOUR AR

[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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April 1st, 2008

Zef_66Grand Member

Join Date: Sep 2007Location:Middleburg, Pennsylvania(Snyder County)Posts: 1,333Rep Power: 21

Re: SBR'd AR15 - a brief guide and my experience

Excellant josh! Great resource that I bookmarked for future use! Fantastic!

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Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed...?" Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775

April 1st, 2008

StackBanned

Join Date: Sep 2007Location:Northampton County, Pennsylvania(Northampton County)Age: 39Posts: 366

Rep Power: 0


Great write up ... Thank you!

I thought OAL was measured with stock open .. this is what I have been told several times.

I always hear conflicting reports on this. Anyone know of an official ruling on this?

Again - great job!!


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April 1st, 2008

JayBellSuper Moderator

Join Date: Mar 2006Location:Private, Pennsylvania(Montgomery County)Posts: 2,794Rep Power: 683


Overall length IS measured with the stock open, under federal law, from Bardwells NFA FAQ:http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wb...st/nfa_faq.txt

A short barreled ri fle is a rifle (which is defined as a shoulder

fired, rifled bore firearm) with a barrel length of less than 16",

or an overall length of less than 26", or any weapon made from a

rifle fall ing into the same length parameters (like a pistol made

from a rifle). In measuring barrel length you do it from the

closed breech to the muzzle, see 27 CFR sec. 179.11. To measure

overall length do so along, "the distance between the extreme ends

of the weapon measured along a line parallel to the center line of

the bore." 27 CFR sec. 179.11. On a folding stock weapon you

measure with the stock extended, provided the stock is not readily

detachable, and the weapon is meant to be fired from the shoulder.

also, the current address for NFA firearms involving FORM 1s are going to the Martinsburg WV address, Not Atlanta,

but no worries, it may take a little longer, but it will end up in the right place eventually

I verified this address on Subguns, as I just filled out my F1s for a SBR myself.

Also my F1 have the Martinsburg address on them(as do yours, how'd ya miss that?!?!)..it has been reported that the

Distribution center was sending old F1s out with the old address, but nothing concrete, yopurs DO have the proper

address on the top of the first page.

NFA Branch

244 Needy Road

Martinsburg WV

25401

Also, if you already have print cards, you can download forms from Danbrews PDF site at http://www.titleii.com

he has a cool online PDF generator for form 1s, just fill out the fields, and it generates a filled out PDF FOR you.

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April 1st, 2008

StackBanned

Join Date: Sep 2007Location:Northampton County, Pennsylvania(Northampton County)Age: 39Posts: 366Rep Power: 0


Excellent - my forms went out okay then.. phew Just had a certificate of compliance kicked back for the dopey line

2 issue and wasn't looking forward to a second potential issue.


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Thanks JayBell!

Oh - and am I the only one who noticed the 867-5309 reference???

April 1st, 2008

XD45Grand Member

Join Date: May 2007Location:

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania(Allegheny County)Posts: 3,538Rep Power: 396


i meet with my CLEO at 2pm tomorrow to get my form1's signed.

Thanks for this Mr. medic

April 1st, 2008

ithinkimamedic Grand Member

Join Date: May 2006Location:Box 8-10, Pennsylvania(Centre County)Age: 27Posts: 1,380Rep Power: 124


Thanks Jay for the Info.. I will update the first with the correct info.

For an Uzi SBR with a qd woodstock the OAL would then be measured with the stock off correct? That would also

indicated that with a folding stock that it should be entended?

__________________

Quote:

Originally Posted by GunLawyer001

Buy a silencer.

Tax: $200

Cost of effective 5.56 suppressor: $500

Letting the elderly neighbors sleep in until morning: Priceless.

"132 and Bush I've got him at gun point, OK gun point, 132 and bush, cover is code 3"

My first sticky! SBR YOUR AR

[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

April 1st, 2008





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Originally Posted by ithinkimamedic

Thanks Jay for the Info.. I will update the first with the correct info.

For an Uzi SBR with a qd woodstock the OAL would then be measured with the stock off correct? That would

also indicated that with a folding stock that it should be entended?

that would probably be right as indicated by the regs further up.

__________________Flectere si nequeo Superos, Acheronta movebo."

Virgil


April 2nd, 2008

XD45Grand Member

Join Date: May 2007Location:Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania(Allegheny County)Posts: 3,538Rep Power: 396


Got my first forms signed by my cleo The wait begins

April 2nd, 2008




watch for the cancelled check to be returned, then wait a week and call to make sure its in the system.

Photocopy your signed forms as proof, and keep a copy in case the paperwork is lost, it DOES happen.

I have a Form 4 thats a tax stamped copy of a photocopy of the original signed form, as they had "lost" the

forms..luckily my dealer is conscientious and photocopied all forms he sent out, as he'd had issues before.

as a note, print a copy of the cancelled check as proof the tax was paid, i had a transfer hang as they swore I hadn't

paid. I had a photocopy of the cancelled check notarized and sent to them as proof.

ATF makes mistakes, I have a AOW Form 4 with a blue $200 tax stamp on it, instead of the $5 Red AOW one.

this was all the old DC staff that was a buncha idiots, the WV group is good.

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Flectere si nequeo Superos, Acheronta movebo."

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