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DoorKeeper: ''AII those not entitled to the floor, wtll you please

go to the gallery? A11 those not entitled to the floor, wtll

you please go to the gallery/?

Speaker ReJ' mond: HThe House will come to order and the members

vill please be in their seats. May I introduce Representa-

tive Polk for the purpose of presenting the Chaplain of the l

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Polk: ''This morning, John and Marsha Clark-lohnson who are in-:

terns and seminarians from the Lutheran School of Theology

in Chfcago will give us the opening prayer. Theylre both...

. 80th are serving their internship; one in Moline and one .

in Rock Island.''

Marsha Clark-lohnson: lêThe Scrfpture that Itve chosen to read. I

for today ccmes from Matthew, Chapter 5. IAnd Jesus ppened

' his mouth and taught them saying, Blessed are the poor in'

spirit for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven. Blessed are those;

who mourn for they shall be comfotted. Blessed are the meek

for they shall inherit the earth. And Blessed are those who

hunger and thirst for righteousness for they shall be satis-

fied. Blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy

and Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemaker for they shall be called children

1of God. You are the salt of the earth, but'if the salt has1lost its taste, how shall its saltness be restored? It ts

no longer good for anything except be thrown out knd trod-

den underfoot by men. You are the light of the world, a

city set on a hill cannot be hid. Nor do men light a lamp

and put it under a bushel but on a stand and it gives light

to a11 in the Eouse. tet your light so sbine before men that

they may see your good works and give Glory to your Father .

who fs in Heaven'. Herein Scripture for today/'

John Clark-lohnson: HToday in your personal prayers wc keep fn

mind Representatfve Kellerfs wife who éntered the hospftal

tbis afternoon, I understand for surgery. Let us Pray.

Dear Lord, help us to honor and respect your gifts to us tn

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this world and to participate with you tn protecting and re-

new4ng thea. Give us faith to rely on your work and to live

a life that c'elebrates in that trust. Make us sensttive today

and a1l of our days to the needs of those people to whon we

serve; the lonely, the rich, the poor, t:e oppressed and even

people who are dylng. Help us to serve with conpassion. We

commft lourselves to you and help us to seek truths that have

not been seen and to obey commands vhich have been heard but

not yet obeyed. And trust each other fn.fellowèhfp vhfch you

have given us. Heavenly Father be wtth these publfc offfcfals

today as they seek unity and justice and peace among our

:uman family. Into your hands, tord, we commend a1l for whom

we Pray, trusting fn your mercy through your Son, Jesûs Christ,

our tord, Ameq''

Speaker Redmond: 11Rol1 call for attendance. Representative

Washburn.'f

Washburn: HThank you ah..., Nr. Speaker and ladies and gentle-

men of the Eouse. I'd lfke to have the record shov that Re-

presentative Hirschfeld is absent because he fs f11J'

Speaker Redmond: ''Any objection? The record will so show. Re-

presentative Ciorgi, any excused absences on the : emocratic

side? Representative Hart/'

Eart: HAh... 11d like to excuse Representative Keller because

of illness in his family/'

Speaker Redmond: HRepresentatfve Garmisa, I belfeve, fs absent.

Any oblections to the excused absences on the D emocratic side?

The record wfll so show. Message from the Senatew?

o'Brien: NA message from the Senate by Mr. Wright secretary.

Mr. Speaker, I#m dfrected to fnform the House of Representa-I

tives that thû Senate has concurred with the House the adop-

tion of ânendment l to a Bill of followtng title. Senate

Bill 294. Concurred in the Senate April 21, 1975, Kenneth

Wright, Secretary/'

Speaker Redmond: l'Representative Washburn.l'

Wasbburn: PAh... Thank you ah..., Mr. Speaker and ladies and

gentlemen of tbe House. Wefre honored to have with us this. (. ; # 2- x.. x

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: 3.Ii f sheldon in Iroquois countymorning the eighth grade class romiI

j fn the Speakers Balcony with their ah... sponsor, RichardI

Reynolds. Will you ptease stand ah... eighth grade classh .i of Sheldon.''l S aker Redmond: ''T have an announcenent that I think is of in-pe!I terest. ve have a:... telephone gadgets vhich will be avail-I .

I .I able for the purpose is to block out the floor noise. WeIi , ,! don t guarantee that they re geing to be 100:, but anyoneIl that is intereited will you contact Mary Beth Gaule ïn the

Speakerh: office. The girl that sits at the front desk.

. Representative'Brummet/f .

3nlmmet: ''Ah... Pofnt of personal privtlege, Mr. Speaker/'

Speaker Redmond: ''State your point/l

Bom=et: ''I vould like to introduce ah... Mr. Don Cewfs and his

wffe is sitting up in the balcony. He is the dmmediate past

' Fresident of the State Historical Socfety and it so happens

that my wife and I were his first pupils when he started.teacb- .

fng schpol. I believe heîà' sitting down there with Joe Lucco

now trying to tnvqigle Joe into cleaniné up his lqnguage fn

the House.f' ''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Davisvf?

Davis: ''Ah... Mr. speaker, ladies and gentlemèn of the Mouse,

I'd ltke to have the prfvflege of fntroducing to you t:e stu-

dents from t*e Madam Curfe . High School located at Arch and

Pulaski Avenue fn Chlcago. Iîere are 19 students ah... with

their teacher, Mr. Oscar McBee and Raymond Carson. Theypre

frcm t:e district of Don Fary, soon to be a Congressnany Re- '

presentative Kozubowskf and: I believe: I donft know the Re-

publican from that dlstrict. I would like to have the class, l

Don Wall is t:e Republicaa from that district. Itd ltke to

bave the class stand/d

Speaker Redmondt DPlease come to order. 1he order of business

is Resolutfons on t:e Speakers Table and on the Speakers Table

is House Joint Resolution 4, 4. Representatlve Deuster.

House Joint Resolution 4. Igve been advised by the ClerkI

that you have an Amendment that you wanted to have ado ted.

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Is that correct?!

Deuster) DMr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House, !!

there is an Amendment which was adopted in Committee j !Ito House Joint Resolution 4. Of course, the Rouse j

. ' :Joint Resolution calls for a thorough and compre- !

hensive study of a11 of the legal ramifications of

the proposed equal rights Amendment ko the United '

State Constitution. When this was introduced ah... '

the reporting day for this study, which was modeled

. after the study performed by the State of Virginia, .' ' was ah... to be Kpril 15. Ah... of course, ah... it l

1took us a long time to get organized so the ah... I

1the Amendment changes the reporting date to January I

iI1, 1976. The ah... other part included in khe I

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j' Amendment was to indicate that since a joint sub- I

. Icommittee of the Executive Committee of the House IIand Senate would be established that ah... any ex-

penses associated with the skudy would be shared .

equally by khe House and the Senate out of the re-

gular funds that support our Committee work. I '

would be happy to answer questions, but I move the

adoption of ah... I believe, it is Amendment 41 to

House Joint Resolution 4 which was adopted in Com-

mittee.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Any discussicn? Question is on the jadoption of Amendment 41 to House Joint Resolution 4.

Al1 in favor of the adoption, indicate by saying layel;

opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's

adopted. Representative Deusterq''

Duester: ''Well, I believe, Mr. Speaker: our normal prac-

tice when Amendments are adopted. normally with a

Bil1 and my co-sponsor, Representative Hudson has j'

jarrived on the scene ah... and Itm sure that we may lI

concur that nornally with Bills, their Second Read- !Il Iing and Third Reading with respect to a Resolution. ll

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We have adopted an Amendment and it ought to be, ah...

all the members ought to be accorded the opportunity

to look over the Amendment. So, what I would imaqine 1

we would leave this at the Speakers Table. Although,

I yield to my colleague. Representative Hudson, on '

that pointw''

Speaker Redmond: ORepresentative Hudsono'ê !

Hudson: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of EheI ,House, I think that Representative Deuster has ahwp. ' '

presented this well. I do feel thak it would be in ' k

the interest of the Members to have a chance to con-

sider the Amendment ah... to this Resolution and .

ah... would likewise request that it remain tempor- '

arily ah... at least, on the Speakers Table.''

;. Speaker Redmond: ''Any objectionz House Joint Resolution !.

. 4 will remain on the Speakers Table. House Joint

Resolution 14. Is Representative Mchuliffe on the !

floor? Take that one out of the record. House 'lJoint Resolution 16. Representative Yourell.

'

Re- !presentative Yourell, House Joint Resolution l6.

Representative Yourell.''

Yourell: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentle-

men of the House, House Jo/nt Resolution 16 is al

Resolution that is designed to provide to the

people of the State of Illinois a toll-free tele-

phone number wherein they can call a facility set

up by the General Services Administration to pro-' vide the voting record of any member of the Gen-

eral Assembly. 'Nowz I believe that in order to

restore the confidence of the people in the elective

process and the individuals they elected to public

office, that a system whereby they can be made'

aware of the Way our Representatives are voting in1the General Assembly is Most important. Ilve found

this in the las: campaign that people tend not to

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trust their elected public officials and you know

that's happened all over the country, whether it be

on a local situakion, state, county or national.

Now, the Resolution was amended in Committee to pro-

vide that in the case of duplicate subject matter,

or subject matters thak relate in a certain way toII th

e same subject that the caller must provide ah .

I Bill number before the Legislative Information Pro-I

gram can be put into effect. Now, the General Ser-

viees administration has advised me in prolonged

conversations and discussions relative to this mat-

ter that they see no problem in starting up a pilot

program and that the Clerk of the House, Mr. O'Brien, $

has assured me in conversations with him that it can:

be worked out and the Secretary of tUe Senate ap-- . parently will have difficulty with this because

General Services has indicated that this would be

a program that they would be delighked ko participate

in. Nowp the Department of General Services has

explored the possibility and they have indicated to

me that the cost of the system should noE be added lI

to the Budget of the General Services administration lbut could be handled out of the House Appropriation

and the Senate Appropriation. Nowz I don't know

what the feeling of the members of the General As-

sembly are but I think t'hat pursuant to House Joint lResolukion an affirmative vote to restore the con- t

Ifidence of the public in our system of government ,

would be helped by the adoption of the House Joint

Resolution and I would be delighted to answer any

questions that you may haveml'

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Yourell, I've been ad-

vised that there's a... Amendment 91 that has not

yet been adopted.''

Yourell: ''Ah... Oh/ do you have the Amendment, Mr. Clerk?

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Welle then I explained the Amendment and I wouldmove the adoption... What do we have to do? Move

. it back? I move the adoption of Amendment 41 which

would ah... simply say that the Clerk of the House

of Representatives and the Secretary of the Senate

may provide the Leqislative Information only when

provided with the appropriate Bill number. I move

the adoption of the Amendmenk #1 to House Joint

Resolution 16.9'

Speaker Redmond: l'Questions on the adoption of Amendment

41 to House Joint Resolution 16. Those in favor in-

dicate by saying 'ayel; opposed 'nol. The 'ayes'

have it. The Amendmentls adopted. Proceed Re-

presentative Yourell.''

Yourell: /1 ah... I think, Mr. Speaker, that Ilve ex-

plained the very simple Resolution and all it dpesi

again is provide a toll-free telephone number to be

published by the media of the State of Illinois so i

khat anybody can call the Clerk of the House or the

Secretary of khe Senate and ask how John Doe voted

on any Bill that they may have the number to and

might be interested and I move for a favorable roll

Call . ''

Speaker Redmonf: ''The queskion is on the adoption of the

Resolution. All those in favor of Ehe adoption in-

dicate by saying laye'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes'

have it. The Resolution's adopted. Representative

Skinner.''

skinner: ''Ah... Since this is going to involve money,

you know, don't we have to have a roll call? Maybev . o''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Shea. ''

Shea: ''The only money that will be expended is out of the

clerk's ordinary contingent expense and it will not

require the appropriation of any additional money by f

this House.''

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8.Speaker Redmond: lRepresentative Skinner.êlI

j 'I Skinner: ''Thank you very much. I'm sure that youdreI1 ing to announce the Resolution passed.''îOIIi Speaker Redmondl ''That's correctz yes. The ResolutionII is adopted

. House Joint Resolution 44. House Re-

i solution 44# pardon ne. Representative Giglio. TakeII! .. that one out of the record. House Resolukion 87,I

l 87. Representative Steele.'fSteele: ''Ah... Mr. speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the

House, House Resolution 87 is a Resolution whiah autho-

rizes the Legislative Audit Commission with an arm

' of the tegislative Branch to investigate the use

' of State owned cars to determine if efficiency can

be obtained both in khe saving of fuel and the sàv-

ing of cost of oura.a, in this particular area of

government. This Resolution was originally ah./.

calling upon the Legislative Investigation Commis-

sion to make this ah... inquiry. It was amended in

the ah... subcommittee of the Executive Committee

so that the Legislative Audit Commission would

ah... handle this inquiry. It was passed by the

subcommittee of the Executive Committee. It was

passed and approved by the Executive Committee

and I would ask for a favorable vote on this Re-

solution.''

Speaker Redmond: 1'I understand that'there's an Amend-

menk to be adopked on this one, Representative

Steele.'' .

Steele: ''The Amendment ah.... Mr. Speaker, the Amendment '

was made in the Executive Committee which did au-

thorize the Legislative Audit Commission to be au-

thorized to ah... to ah... conduck this inquiry.

That was the Amendment.f'

Speaker Redmond: ''Are you moving the adoption of the

Amendment?''

Steele: ''Yes, righto''I

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Speaker Redmond: ''The gentlemen has moved the adoption

of Amendmenk #1 ko House Resolution 874 A11 in

favor of the adoption indicate by saying 'aye'; opv '#

posed ' no l . The ' ayes ' have it . The Amendment d s I

adopted. And do you now move the adoption of thq

Resolution? The gentleman has moved the adoption of

Resolution, House Resolukion 87. The question is '

on the adopkion. A1l in favor indicate by saying 'ayel;. . ' *

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opposed Inol. The Resolution's adopted. The layes'

have it. House Resolution 115, 115. Representa- '

. tive Beatty. I understand there's an Amendmenk on

this one, also. Representative Beattywl' ' ' .

Beatty: 'êMr. Speaker, members of the House, I'd move !, I

for the adoption of Amendment l which is ah... just. !

!ah... an Amendment to clean up the Resolution ah... .

' limiting the investigation called for to ah.. those I!

inskances where there some complaint or reason to be- I

lieve that there is scme problem with the nursing 'Il !

home and it also adds in shelter care centers and I'd !. I

. , ,. 1move for the adoption of Amendment 1. !1

Speaker Redmond: NAny discussion? The question is on the 1II

adoption of the Amendment 41 to House Resolukion 115.

Those in favor indicate by saying Iayel; opposed 'not. I

1' The 'ayest have it. The Amendment's adopted. On the

. Resolution, Representative Beatty. Representakive

Beatty.'' . '

Beatty: ''Mr. Speaker, nembers of the Housez this Resolution' . is an extension of the original one calling, khich

called for an investigation due to some deaths inI

one county of the Stake. This Resolution requests 1' jthat the Illinois Legislakive Investigating Commis- I

. 1Ision investigate those nursing homes and shelter care I

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centers where there kould be anyone there who's a 1II :

charge of the State of Illinois or where someone had!

been placed where there was any reason to believe .

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' there has been neglect or there where there have

been any complaints received relative to khat home.

I've discussed it with the Chairman of the Legislative

Investigation Commission. I think the basic idea

here is to see that these homes are rendering more

I proper care for :he patients who are placed there by'j

the State of Illinois. I believe it will have a good

effect in, and welll see, and as a result of this

Resolution if it's passed, we will find out what has

been going on and what, and what care is actually been

rendered to those charges of the Stake where we have

keason to believe they have not been cared for pro-

perly. This Resolution was requested by a parents

group, parents who have children in these homes. They

want to see that proper care is rendered. They don't

. believe that this care has been given to their child-

ren and ah... this Resolution is ah... endorsed by

the Illinois Association for the Mentally Retarded

Citizen. I believe it will have a solid stability

effect and ik will let members of the General Assembly

know just what is being done for these people ih these

homes so that we... We have the responsibility to see. lthat proper care is rendered to these people. In-

dications are that proper care is not being given

and that's the reason for the Resolution. I move

. for passage of the Resolutiona''

Speaker Redmond: ''Wefre ready for the... Representative

Skinner.'' '

Sklnner: ''Yes, Representative ah... Beatty, if I mâght'

jask a question. Are... Do you intend for the Social

Science oriented people from the Illinois Economic

and Piscal Commission to assist in making policy re-

commendations ah... with the Illinois Legislative

' Investigating Commission.''

Beatty: ''This is a separate investigation to see ah...

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whether proper care is beïng given to..., in these

nursing homes. What youfre referring to and what

would have to be separate investigation or separate

matter.''

Skinner: ''Mr. Speaker, if I might speak to the Resolutiono''

Speaker Redmond: I'Proceedw''

Skinner: ''I think that someone ought to be investigating

this. I think that the Legislative Investigating

Commission has experience in the criminal matter but

rJ.really think that it's broader than criminal. I

think there are policy implications'that qo beyond

the criminal factors and I really khink that there

ought to be ah... some involvment by either the

huditor General, soeial scienze type or the Illinois

Economic and Fiscal Commission. Ah... social science

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Speaker Redmond: ''Any further discussion? Representative

Griesheimer./

Griesheimer: ''Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of

the House, I'd just like ko add my support to the

request for the passage of this Resolution. As a11

of you know, we previously passed a Resolution for

the Legislative Investigation Commission to eome*

to Lake County and inveskigate our nursing homes and

they have not submitted kheir report yet, but it's

my understanding there have been some significank

findings made. Therels been another Resolution in-

troduced for the Legislakive Investigation Commission

to completely ipvestigate a11 nursing homes through-

out the Skate and I peksonally feel' thét we cannot

investigate these organizations enough and thak even

though we are approaching this from a new standpoint:

and khere mxh' t > some duplication, the ultimate be-

nefit to khe residents of these nursing homes is War- (I

ranted and I'd urge your support of this Resolution.d'

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12.Speaker Redmondl ''Are ke ready for Ehe question? Re*

presentative Borchers.l

Sorchers: ''Mr. Speaker and fellow members of the House,

for some six years I've been rather active in my area

on matters concerning this Resolution. I would just '

want to tell one incident. I asked at one time

for the Legislative Investigation Commission, Stateof Illinols to come down and investfgaEe khe ah. . .

Adolf Meyer Clinic which is in Decatur. It was sup-posed: and I was assured it would b

e a secret. Asecret meeting, khat is ah. . . they would come in to

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the ah... Adolf Meyer Clinic without anyone knowingthat khey were coming

. I wanted a surprise inspection.

I assure you I found out shortly afterwards thelf Meyer people had been informed two weeks before t

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tthe visit and were a11 ready. Everything was in .

lapple pie order, even some of the people that were

to be talked to ah. . . talked to in advance and I '

certainly support this Resolukionv''.

''Speaker Redmond: l'Are you ready for the question: The t

question is on the adoption of the 'Resolution. Those

in favor indiaate by saying 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The'

'ayes' have it. The Resolution is adopted. Senate 't

Joint Resolution 9. Representataivc Brandt

.'l 7'7Brandk: '1Mr . Speaker and members of the H

ouse, Senate '.

Joink Resolution 9 would authorize the Space Needs )

Commisslop to conduct closed meetings with the cwners

'Fof property for the purpose of nesotiating the pur- ,!

chase of tvo blocks of property conkiguous to the '

,Capitol Complex in Springfield

. Such purchases? suchpurchases authorized by the Space Needs Act, Chapter63, Seetion 3.Q2 an; 3.04 and the Commission feels

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hold closed sessions ko discuss property acquisition.

However, the State Constitution provides in Article

IV, Seciion 5 that sessions of the General Assemly

Commission may be closed only upon approval two-

thirds of b0th Houses. So therefore, gentlemen,

Section... senate Joint Resolution 9 will authorize

these closed meetings. But however, we need a two-

thirds vote to pass this Resolution. The Executive

Committee approved Senate Joint Resolution 3 without

any ah... without any ah... dissenking vokes. Ild' ask a favorable vote on this Resolutiona'' .

Speaker Redmond: 'fAny discussion? The question is on

the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 9. All in

favor vote 'aye'. Those opposed vote 'no' It' '

takes l07 votes. Representative Griesheimer, for

what purpose do you rise? Have all voted Who wished?

This takes l07 votes. Representative Manno''

Mann: ''Mr. Speaker, could we have some order. I think

this is an important matter.l'

Speaker Redmond: ''Gentleman is correct. Will the House

please come to order. Representative Mann, do you

want to proceed?''

Mann: ''Well Mr. Speaker, with no reflection on the dis- '

tinguished House sponsor of this Resolution, I must

say that I have serious reservations about it. We

do our business in the Capitol Complex. We have our .

offices here. Ah... whatever is done in closed

session is very apt to reflect on a1l of us. Welre

tallcing about the expenditure of an awful lot of

money. I don't know why these meetings should be

closed. Ip I tend to think that i: would be poor

public policy ah... to have them closed. I think

wepre talking about the Capitol that belongs to a11

the people of the State of Illinois. Ah... I think

the #eople ah.v. ought to be entitled to sit in andl

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listen to debake. Ah... and testify ah... if they

desire. I don't think ihat we should qive the im-

pression to anyone that this business which is khe

peoples business is going to be cohducted in secret andah... once more, while I'm not imputinq the integrity

of anybody ah... connected with the Commissicn or lcertainly the House sponsor, I think we ought to

take a long, long look at it and zp my own judge-

ment is that i: would be bad public policy not to,

to ah... hold these meetings in public so that every-

one might participate in them. And therefore, Mr.-

Speaker, I urge a 'noê votee''

Speaker Redmond; ''Representative Shea.''

Shea: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker, ladies and genklemen of the

House, the Spaee Needs Committee is our Legislative

Commission to worry about space and purchase pro-

perty either for a new state office building or a

neW building in the Capitol Complex and unlçss khey

can have scme of those behind clcsed doors, the

price of that land would go just skyrocketing.

Nowz a1l wedre asking to do is let this Commission

on some occasions have elosed meetings. I think

it's absolutely essential to the orderly operation

of that Commission and I hope that this Bill wonld

pass, or the Resolution.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Hill, do you desire

recognitione Representataive Brandt. Representative

Jones.''

Jones: ''Mr. Speaker.and members of the House: as a House

member of the Space Needs Commission, this has to do

with the meeting of the Commission to ah... aeqniring

and appraisals and acquiring property for the State

use and this just does for the Space Needs Commission

what any city council or any other government agency

would have under the same circumstances.''

Speaker Redmond: llRepresentative Brandto''

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l5.Brandt: ''In answer to the question raised by Representa-

tive Mann. I wish to inform khe members ah. . . tbat

final determination of purchase will be made at

open meetings of the commission.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Any, any further discussion? Eave all

voted who wished? Take the record. On this questionthere's 1û7 layesl: 10 lnoà4 19 voting 'presentl

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Representative Walsh.''

Walsh: ''Point of order, Mr. Speakerp''

Speaker Redmond: ''State your point.''

Walsh: ''Doesnït it take two-thirds ah. .. of the membersthe elected members. Doesn'k this require ll8 votes.

Speaker Redmond: ''1l8e youpre correct, Mr.... Representa-

tive Walsh. It requires 118. Better... Representa-

tive Walsh.''

Walsh: ''Wel1# 1... I'd just like to speak on the, on thequestion. I think welve been mislead here a little

bit ah... by one of the speakers in opposition to this.

It just seems to me that if youlre negotiating forreal estate and the ResoluEion confines itself to

the negotiation for real estate, then it's just im-possible to do it at an open meeting

. Because at

an open meeting, everyohe who is an owner will be

informed and they will be informed of the State's

interest in khe property and it ahu p has got ko

drive as the Majority Leader said, the pxice 'way up. So,twebre really, this is a good government pr

oposal sort 'lof in disguise. But there's no other way to do it

.

You just have to negotiate for real eskate just as

you should negotiake persona l matters ln closed

meetings. so, I would request thak everyone voke'yes' on the gentleman's Resolution

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lSpeaker Redmond: flWe'll have to dump this toll call andtake another roll eall. Representative Ebbesen,

do you desire recognition? Representative Ebbesen. '?

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l6. sbbesen: ''ves, Mr. speaker and ladies and gentlemen of!

the House. I just would encourage everyone to givethis a 'yes' vote. I think... It is my understanding

that the open meetings law has always been that you

. could discuss acquisition of property and ah.. .

persœ x l and in al1 my time in local government,

I know that's the premise on which we operate and

I see no reason why there shouldn't be 140 or 50

green lights up there.''

Speaker Redmond: lRepresentative Mann.ft

Mann: ''Mr. Speaker, I don't think I misD d anybody.

1, I think I made my position very crystal clear

and 1 want to repeat thak position and I don't

think it's good public policy when it comes to

Voting On matters effecting the Capitol Complex '

which effects a11 the people of the State of Illinois ,

which is the place where our offices are located

for deliberations to be held in private and I donbt

buy the arguments that it would necessarily drive

the prices up since everybody whose land would be

involved is certainly aware of it and the market .

price is going to dominate in any event. And I

just want to ah... set my, my vote very clear onthis position. I'think it's bad publiè policy and

I urge you to oppose it.''

Speaker Redmond: NHave a11 voted who wished? It requires

118 votes. Take the record. On this question therels

125 'yes', 14 lno', 6 fpresent'. The Resolution

having received.the necessary majority is hereby,

is hereby declared adopked. House ResoluEion 44.

Representative Giglio. Would you please give the

gentlemen order? Giglio.''

Giglio: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen ll

of the House, ah... House Resolution 44 just simplyasks that the news media, television, radio announcers

and people who wrâte the stories, refrain from using

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the word, 'Watergate plumbersl with regard to describ- .

ing what happened at Watergate. 1, as a member of

the plumbing profession and also a businessman in

the plllmhing industry ah... have ah... taken it to

heart that the new media used the word 'plumbers'

' when describing what happened, what's happening.

IIm not asking that they be censored. I'm not asking

them to ah.. refrain from doing what they want to

do. I'm just asking them to find another word when they' e

describing the incidents and therefore, I would ask!

that ah... everyone ah.. give me a favorable vote ;'

. l jon this here in agreement with the way I feel and

the way I see it.''

Speaker Redmond: f'Ready for the question. The question ,

is on the adoption of House Resolution forty...

House Joint, no, House Resolution 44. All in favor

!indicate by saying laye'; oppose 'no'. The layes'

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have it. The Resolutionls adopted. House JointL

Resolution l4. Representative : McAuliffe.'' 1McAuliffe: ''Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the

House, House Joint Resolution 14 would create tha

Prisoner Study Work Release Study Committee, 4'

members appointed by the Speaker of the House, 2

momhers appointed by the Speaker of the House, 2

members by the Minority Leader of the House and 2

members by the President pro-tem of the Senate and

2 members by the Minority Leader in the Senate. They

would study the Work Release Program and report back

to the Legislature in approximately a year.f'

Speaker Redmond: ''Any discussion? The question is on

the adopkion of House Joint Resolution 14. A1l those

, ' a I no ' Iin favor indicate by saying aye ; oppose . i

$Is Ehere any expenditure of money on this onek Re- :

Ipresentative McAuliffe?''

iMcAuliffe: ' 1'Mr. Speaker...''

Speaker Redmond: 'lYes, just to be on the safe side, we'd 1...

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better take a roll call vote on this one. The question

is... Those in favor of the adoption of khe Resolu-

tion vote 'ayel, those opposed voteilnö'. Representa- ltive Shea./

Shea: ''When khis is over, Mr. Speaker, Ild like to make

a motion.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Have a11 voted who wished? Take the

record. Have al1 voted who wished? RepresentativeI

Mahar 'ayel, Represenkative Luft 'aye', Representa- 1kive Sharp 'aye'e Sharp 'éye'. Have a1l voted who

wished? Representative Leinenweber 'aye', Representa- f

tive Duff laye', Representataive Madison 'aye',

Telcser 'aye', Mccourt 'ayeï. Better open it up

again and vote. The question is on the adoption

of the Resolution. All those in favor vote 'aye',

opposed vote 'no'. Have al1 voted who wished?

Representatàve Lauer.tl

Lauer: ''Mr. Speaker, it seems to Me that this is a Re-

solution which definitely needs to pass because we 1

a program of work release. Ikls been lare engaged inl

going on for some time. Nowzthat it has had a

chance to work, it seems to be time to go ahead

and take a look at the program whether or nok it

is of certain value to the law enforcement system.

Ah... Mr. Speaker, I would plead for an affirmative Il

vote on this Resolution on a fine program. Thank

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Speaker Redmond: ''Have all voted who wished? Take the

record. Schoeberlein 'aye', Kosinski 'ayel. On

this question there's 126 layes', 1 'nol, 7 'present' jI1and having received the Constitutional majority is

hereby declared adopted. Representative Sheaw''

Shea: œMr. Speaker, ladies and gentlenen of the House: jl'

ice for Transportation for Friday, Ithe posting not' . )April khe 25 through inadvertence was not posted

luntil yesterday norning. As you know, the Chairman l. 'kk g--w.

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Representative Garmisa, has been absent for several

weeks, so Ilve talked to the Minority Leadership with

regards to this and theylre aware of it so I would

like to make a motion that the Bills posted on April

21 for a hearing in Transportation on Friday, April

the 25th be allowed to be heard on that date and the

. appropriate rule be suspended. It would require 107

votes and Ifve talked to Mr. Telcser about that this

morning and he's in agreement with me.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Washburn.''

Washburnt ''Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and ladies and :

gentlemen of the House. We do support Representa-

tive Shea's motiono''

Speaker Redmond: 'lThe gentleman has moved the suspensionII

. of the appropriate rule posting rule. It takes 107

votes. A1l those in favor in the suspension of khe

rules vote 'aye' and opposed vote 'nol. It requires

107. Have all voted who wished? Take the record.

On this question there's a l20 layes', 3 'nosl, l

lpresentl and having the necessary majority, the

motion carries. House Bills, Second Reading. On

the order of House Bills, Second Reading appears '

House Bill 114. I'm ready for call.''

O'Brien: ''House Bill 114, Hart. A Bill for an Act to

amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second

Reading of.the Bill. No Committee Amendments.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Any Amehdments from the floor?l'

O'Brien: ''Amendment nllmher 1, Hart. Amends House Bill

114 on page 3, 'line 2 by deleting 'method of1 and

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Hart on the Amendment.'l

Hart: fêAh... I move that Amendment be tabled. Tt's ah...

Well, I've got a substitute Amendment which Amendment

number 2 is.'' 1' Speaker Redmond: ''Any objection to tabling the Amendment?

The Amendment is tabled.''

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O'Brien: ''Amendment #2, Hart. Amends House Bill l14

on page 3 by deleting line 24-30 and inserting in

lieu thereof the following and so forth.''

Hart: @Ah... Mr. Speaker, if you could get the atten-

tion of the House for jusk a minute. This ah...

Amendment? ladies and gentlemen of the House, is

now going to be the Bill. This is House Bill l14

which has to do with ah... Environmental Protection

Agencies control over sulfur emission. know that

you've recelved a lot of mail on it and I am very'

pleased to say that ah... through this Amendment,

ah... ke have worked out an agreement, we have worked

out an agreement between the ah... utilities, the

coal operakors and the Environmental Protection

Agency in regard to sulfur emission and ahaw .with

the adoption of this Amendment the Envircnmental

Proteckion Agency will support this Bill. And

you will receive a communication from them sometimeltoday or early tomorrow in that regard. but ah... I

want to extend my khanks to Direckor Briceland and

his staff for their excellant cooperakion in the

extended negotiations over this Bill and also to

everybody else who was very patient and helped

through the Commitkee action and floor action and

I move for the adoption of Amendment 42 to House

Bill 114.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Represenkative Meyer.''

Meyer: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Hart, I .

wonder if you could hold this Bill for a few minutes.

We hav'en't seen a copy of your Amendmentp''

Hart: ''I can as long as the Speaker will get back to it

because I'm running out of time and ah.. certainly

ah... I will hold it if you don't have the Amendment.

It was filed yesterday and ik was on my desk this

morning, but if you don't have one todayr yet.pq ''

Meyer: 1'Wel1? I ah... Representative Hart. I wish you

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would have extended us the courtesy of participating

in the Amendatory process and I would appreciate it t

if you would hold it for a moment.''

Hart: ''Certainly.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Take that one out of the record. House

Bill 121.6''

O'Brien: ''House Bill 12l was read a second time previously.

Amendments 2 and 3 were tabled. Amendmenk 4 was

adopted and ah... held on Second Reading. Amendment

#1 was tabledo''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Porkerw''

Porter: ''Ah... Mr. Speaker, this Bill went to Third

Reading yesterday. It's on khe calendar on the order

of Third Reading, also. I see that it's on b0th. ,, (orders, but it went to Third Reading yesterday.

' Speaker Redmond: ''Request for a fiscal note, the Clerk

advises me. It wap held on Second because.zw''

Porter: ''I believe ke took a vote on it.''

Speaker Redmond: NIf I did it was wronge'î

Porter: ''Eighty to two.''

Speaker Redmond: 'îlf I did, I was wrong.''

Porter: ''Now what... Now whak. It's listed on the cal- 'l'

jjendar on the order of Third Reading, Mr. Speaker. lspeaker Redmond: ''I guess that's what they call a scribblers l

error. It is on second because a fiscal note is re-

uested and the fiscai note has not been furnished.''9 )'' d i in on the f loor . 1Porter : That request was not ma * n

, . . .

We took a record vote on that M endment and you

ordered the Bill to Third Reading and that's the

first I've heard of it.''i

Speaker Redmond: ''Ilve been advised that a request for

a fiscal note has been filed, Representakive Porker.

Representative Duffo''

Porter: ''Prior to the time it w'ent to Third Readingw''

speaker Redmond: ''They have it on file is all I can tell

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on the roll call and there was no request ah... from

the floor for a fiscal note. Ah... one mighk have

been filed with the Clerk buk ik was never told to

the House and the Chair did move the Bill to Third

Reading.''

Speaker Redmond: *Wet11 check and see if there was one

filed. If there was one, why... ehe question of

the fiscal note, I guess, has been cleared up. It

was an inquiry by one'of the members and we.were-ad-

vised that there was one mailing involved and I

guess that... It is on Thârd Reading. According

ko the Journal, it is not on Third Reading but welll

move it nov. Third Reading on House Bill 121. Yes,

that's a Third Reading. The order of business is

House Bills, Third Reading. On House Bills, Third

Reading appears House Bill 439. Representative

Eatz on the floor? Is Representative Katz on the

floor? Take 439 out of the record. Representative

Simms, for what purpose do you rise.''

Simms: ''House Bill 439 ah... I am the sponsor of, Mr.

Speaker.''

Speaker Redmond: ''House Bill 439, Representative Simms.

OlBrien: ''House Bill 439. A Bill for an Act to amend

an Act to revise the 1aw in relation to coroners.

Third Reading of khe Bill.''

Simms: ''Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlenen of khe House,

House Bill 439 as amended which Representative Matijevich

and I are now joint sponsors of requires that'alldeaths in state institutions and deaths of wards of '

the State and private care facilities, or programs

sponsored by the Department of Mental Hea1th, or the

Department of children and ramily services shall bereported to the coroner of the county in which they

iah... reside or take place. If the coroner has reason

to believe that an investigation is needed to determine !

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the death was caused by maltreatnent or neglect,I

1 then the coroner shall have that authority to proceedI

1 under the Act which gives the coroner the authorityI

to investigate. I believe that, based on the deaths

which transpired in Rockford and in Waukegan and in

' other parts of the State, and base; on investigations

. of the Illinois Legislative Investigating Commission,

we need khis type of legislation; and I feel that the

coroner has the authority and should have the authoriky

to look into these deaths where, in his opinion, it

might be necessary to conduct an investigation. I

think ,tke Bill as amended takes care of the earlier

objections and I would earnestly solicit your favorable

support for House Bill 439.14

' Speaker Redmond: ''Are we ready for the question? The

j' question is on House Bill 439. Shall House Bill 439 l' p no p .pass. Those in favor yote 'ayel, those opposed l

Have all voted who wished? Representative Geo-Karis I1

' ' from right field. Take the record. lvotes aye

Representative Shea. Represenkative Siea.''

Shea: ''Is the... Would the Clerk look at the board? Are

we, Wefre on Third Reading IIm sure, but webre talking

, about an Amendment up there someplace. Thank you.''' 1Speaker Redmond: ê'Representative Ryan layel, Representative l

Polk 'aye', Representative Cunningham 'no', Representa- I

tive Choate.'' ;' jChoate: l'I realize webre on Third Reading, Mr. Speaker, and

I realize that ah... you have a roll call up there

that shows overwhelming support for the Bill. I also

realize that because I was talking to the MajorityLeader and some others about anokher ah... matter be-

fore the Legislature, I passed up my opportunity to

ask a couple of questions on this Bill; but I would' !desire to ask a couple of questions if at a1l possible.'' 1,

Speaker Redmond: ''Leave granted, any objections? Proceed )II

- . $Representative Choateo'

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Choate: ''Representative Simms, as I read the Bill, it 1simply says that, one of the things that disturbs me#

it says that each and every individual who dies in the

confines of a mental institution, the coroner shall

make an investigation as to see what brought about

the death.''

Speaker Redmond: œRepresentakive Simms.''

Simms: ''Representative Choate, ah... Amendment 43 which

Represenkative Matijevich placed on the Bill only

requires that it be reported to the coroner in the

county. It does not require an automatic investiga-

tion. It just requires that it be reported, Represen-tative.''

Choate: ''Well, I didnlt see the Amendment, Amendment #3.

In other words, all it does, it says that it shall be' reported to the coroner.''

Simms: ''Thak's correct.''

Choate: ''Then, Mr. Speaker, I1d like to change my vote

from fno' to laye' ''

Speaker Redmond: l'Change his vote from lnol to 'aye'.

Representative Hart to change his vote from 'nol to l

l'aye'. Representative Davis layel, Representative p

IHill faye'. On this question therels a hundred, l

Mr. Clerk, l27 is that what it is... l27 laye', l5 Ino', 4 Ipresent'. The Bill having received the

constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. ,

House Bill 488..'

O'Brien: ''House Bill 488, Giorgi. A Bill for an Act to

amend the Unem/loyment Compensation Act. Third Read-ing of the Bill.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Giorgi.'l

Giorgi: ''Mr. Speaker and members of the House, ah...

know that ah... these are serious times and Ehis is a t,Iserious Bill and I know that everyone of us has re- !1

i d voluminous amounts of mail on the Bill and *1ce veIiI must say that the Legislative synopsis is ver =

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accurate in telling what the Bill provides. It pro-

vides for a weekly benefit equal to two-thirds of an E' l -individuals prior average weekly wage and it establishes i

lmaximum benefits of two-thirds of khe State-wide average t

which is agreed at l84 dollars and it allows a de-

pendents allowance of 8 dollao per child and in the '

event that either spouse, being unenployed, either one

can claim the children. Ik provides for uniform dura-

tion of 26 weeks and it eliminates something wedve '

debated for many, many years. The one week waiting

period 'as well as allowing a person to receive com-

pensation in the event ah... he had to cross a picket

line, but the most ah... the... I think the toughest

part of the package that the employers were lobbying

i t was the strike benefits and thatgs been removed.. aga ns

. No? ah... when the Unemployment Compensation Act Was

firsk enacted, the average wage included in that first

Act was 65t of a persons average wage. Today, with

the cost of living and with everyone being very much j' :$

aware of the unemployment situation picture in Illinois 'I

and in my area it's 10%, the Federal government has j

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Imoved faster than the State governmenEs in that some I I

ify 1 '1of the states some of the people are coing to qual. 1

for 65 weeks of unemployment benefits. 'We haven'tI

been able to trigger that in yet in Illinois. One of IIthe most, one of they you might say, the inaccurate

stories put out by the employer groups was that this

Bill was going to cost 20 million dollars a week, a j

billion dollars a year and that's not true. If this

Bill were 1aw today, it would cost in the unemployment

compensation trust fund which is in about a 450 mil-

lion dollars. It would cost an additional 2 millionIdollars a week and this going to people that can't buy 1.

la job. Wetre in an economy now where wedre, the State (

( iof Illinois, is even letting people go in the Illinois'

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employment for these people. There's been a lot of

ah... stories about ah... Ehat someone would be better

off stayieng at home and drawing umemployment compen-

sation than they would be working. Well. in this

General Assembly there are l77 of us and only 10 of

us here would qualify for Ehe maximum benefits and

Weld have to have four more children. Over 50% of

the people who drew unemployment compensation last

year,'drew 67 dollars. So, that isnlt a bonanza and

it isn't a give-away program like weêve been led Eo

believe. We ranked almost 49th of the 50 States in

our average payment to the unemployment compensation

recipientk Now, onr unemployment compensation fund,

the irony of it is that it has always been the employers

fund. Theyfve controlled that fund. Theyfve dic-

tateb what would be in khat fund and because of theirformula, because of their formula, Ehe umemployment

compensation tax on the employer will be lowered next

year. If it's an average of 2% this year on the forty-

two hundred dollars of income the first forty-two

hundred dollars of income, next year itls going to

be lowered to 1.l because they control the fund. '

But: they did:lt want to face reality in the compensa- 1

tion program and in the boom years, before the war,

after the war in the roaring 50ts and the early 60's

this fund could have been built 'up to where there wouldnljhave been any problem with'the fund and there is no

Problem with the fund, but they have controlled it as

their own Privake fund and thatls why their suffering

today and trying ko raise the fund to where a person

will be able'ko at least meet his non-postponable ex-

penses. Welre talking abouk renkz food, utilities

and some use of the aukomobile to find employment. Nowz .

I know there's going to be a 1ot of discussion on the

lve ah... said anykhing you want me to )Bill and if Iclarify, I'd be glad to do 'it. I would wish khat every

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. one of you who, no doubt: lf you have a legislative';

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office like I have, your offices become an unemploy-

: ment office and you don't knov where to turn to find' )jobs. Like wefve planned for Public Aid in the budget

: '. j .' wedre going to have to start planning for th

e people twho canêt buy employment. That's as plain as I ean

make it ./

S eaker Redmond k DRepresentakive Lauer . ff ' 1

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1Lauer: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ah. .. Mr. Speaker, ath.that time khis ah. . . Bill was moved from Second 1l lReading to Third Reading

, iE was ah. .. moved on the lkbasis that it would be brought back to Second be- àcause an Amendmenk that I had prepared was ruled

, i(technically invalid and I would like to remind th

e jilah... sponsor that he did agree to move it back to

lSecond Reading and I would like to have that done l

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now for purpose of ah. . . consideration of Amendment 1''

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ve Gio<giw''Giorgi: ''Mr. Speaker. ah..I pleaded with Mr

. Lauer and JIsome of the people on khe Republican side t

o let ll. jthe Bill go to Third and I would move it to Second

. j. iThey denied me that. His Amend=ent was applied 1l i

. ton Second Reading and his Amendment was found to be j )j

j,irregular. I am afraid that I have b

.een as fair as j, j' f l that I should move this ! fI :can be and I don t ee

Bill back to Second Reading.''

J:Speaker nedmond: ''Repreaentative Lauer.'' : '

?. tLauer: ''Mr. Speaker; I think that Mr. Giorgi is taking

advantage of a technicallky because ahu . the Amend- '

ment was ruled ah.. . technically incorreck, but at '

.'that time he did agree to take the Bill back to SecondReading ah... once the Amendme

nt had been redrafted. )if this .

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, I believe your last(remarks were out of order, Mr. Lauer. Representative

Giorgi.'' '

Lauer: ''Youlre right, Mr. speaker. I ah... If it were'

true, I'd be hysterical.''

Giorgi: fBut ah... you refused to allow me to move this

Bill to Third Reading and 1. . . and I said then, I

, would let you apply that, that Amendment to Second'

lReading so this Bill was forced ko remain on Second

Reading. You applied your Amendment. It wasnltf

my fault that your Amendment was illegally drawn

or irregularly drawing. I think I have been fair

abnut this Bill. Many members have asked me re-

Peatedly please move 488 up or down because khe mail

is becoming untenable, is becoming voluminus and I

think I've been fair with you and Iîm not going to

qet angry over itp''

speaker Redmond: ''Representative Kanem''

Kane: R'Would the sponsor yield for a nnmher of questions?l'

Speaker Redmond: ''Indicates he will. '%

Giorgi: 'flf you give me multiple choices.''

Kane: ''Representative Giorgi, can you tell me what the

current balance or the balance on January l of this .

year ah... is or was in the unemployment compensation

trust fund?''

Giorgi: ''The balance is four hundred million dollars. ''

Kane: 'lFour hundred millionr when? On January first?ï'

Giorgi: ''Yes, sir. That was December 3l. You have dif-

ferent figures?''

Kane: ''Could you tell me what the total unemployment bene-

fits paid ouk in 174 was?'' '

Giorgi: 'fAh... yes, three hundred and three million dol-

1. Z X S * ''

Kane: S'And the total receipts into the fund?''

Giorgi: 1'We11... Thatls hard to determine the total

receipts because ah... in as much as the taxes based- ' ;, .k k ( i- .-. .. x yhj % . . G E N yg R A j. A s S E M B L Yg.. kj . :-:.r-. ec .t. zà..''%'- 'th:3 .L'iS. ;?- ., -p svxvs oe Iuulxols, u;; .,xl .(- . =. . ., aousc oe ssesassslvxxlvus' .. /a:s:.- .

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on the first forty-two hundred dollars of income, you'll

note khat the great, the huge amount of money will!

pour in January, Tebruary, and March because a 1ot of $' people reach their forty-two hundred dollars in Ehose 1

three months. So: ah... I could get that for you if

it's importank for your vote.'' i' !Kane: ''I'd appreciate it. Can you kell me if 488 passes j

. in its present form what the estimated payout in

! unemploymcnt compensation would be in 1975?''

Giorgi: ''Yes, sir. Like I said earlier in my remarks,

had the law? had the features that I have, we have

introduced here, had they had been 1aw this past

year, it would have increased, it would have increased

the, the two-thirds weekly benefik would have increased

unemployment compensation by a hundred and ten mil-

lion dollars. When we paid out two hundred and eight

million dollars. Do you follow thaE? The dependents !I

allowance would have increased at 15 million dollars. l

The uniform duration where everyone gets 26 weeks

would have increased it 17 million and the one week

waiting period would have increased it 13 million

and none of that would have depleted the fund. Follow

that.l'

Kane: ''What would have been the total increase in 1974?'1

Giorgi: nA hundred fifteen, twenty-two, thirty... a

hundred thirty-six million dollars. Donlt forget, j

going to ten per cent of the unemployed people in

Illinois that still have to pay rent, heat, lights,

telephone? utilities and medical care and food.''

Kane: ''Could you indicate to me what are the projections

for 19757 If House Bill 488 passes, what the pro-

jected payout would be?''Giorgi: rAh... 1.11 give you the labor, the Labor Depart- '

ment's statistics. The average payout per week, thisI'

is February of 175, the week endinq February l5, the

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gross benefits paid were 11 million dollars. And

50 weeks of that, would be 550 nillion dollarsz but

Ikhe fund was at 400 million in December and like I!

said earlier, the employers now pay on the first III

forty-two hundred the next three months. So thatls III

ah... the fund will be increased somewhak, buk... I. I

11 IDoes that answer your question? !

Kane: ''Not precisely. Do you have an estimate of what !. I

the payout would be in 19757 If 488 passes.p

Giorgi: ''No, because all the economic ah... sookhsayers II

are #elling me that things are going to pick up. !I

So that means the unenployed will be o:f thé roads and 1I

will be going back to work. So/ I can't really de- jtermine... I can't plan the economym''

Kane: ''Can you tell me what the average per weekly un-

employment benefits in Illinois is vnder present II

Statutesa''

Giorgi: ''Yes, sir. Ild very gladly tell you khat. The

average unemployment payment in Illinois last year wasl60 dollars a week in anybody covered in unemployment 1

insurance. I darè anyone to dispute the figures I'm

giving you khis morningvs'

Eane: ''If 488 passes in its present form, what will be '

the average weekly unenployment benefitsz''

Giorgi: @It all depends on the unemployment picture.

I can't tell you that. If the...''

Kane: 'lThe average Weekly per personm''

Giorgi: ''Well, thatês a gocd... I1m glad you brought

Ehat up? Doug. The enployer groups have been sending

letters to all Ehe Legislators and to a1l newspapers

1in the State telling them of the people khat are goingto draw the huge amounts of money out of the unemploy-

I .ment fund. 50%, 55% of khe people are only goin/ to lj

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draw two-thirds of their average weekly wage because lltheylre single drawers. Now, that means if you make !a hundred a weekp youdre going ko be drawing 65 dollarsm

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The people that are going to draw the huge amounts

you read in the Chamber of Commerce brochures are only

' 6% of the population thak are covered under insurance l

and if you took this House where there are l77 mem-'

bers, only 10 of us would qualify for the naximum

payment.p

Kanez ''Ilm not asking yon for those figures? Representa-' tive Giorgi. I'm asking you what will be the average

per weekly unemployment if House Bill 488 passesx ll

Giorgi: 9'Al1 right. Well, itds.. . depends..l'' I

Xanel ''Righk now you say that the ah. . . present weekly 1!

average is 60 dollars.'' '

Giorgi: ''That's correct.'' '

Kane: ''Ah... I have fiqures from unemployment compensation '

which says that last year it was about *7.17 and Ehat !

before the increasea'' !*as I

Giorgi: .'60 dollars. Youdre asking me again?''

Xane: ''I'm asking you if 488 passes, what will be the

average weekly per weekly unemployment benefit paid

OYY * W

' Giorgi: ''Wellr I have to get into percentages again.

55% of the people are single and if they would draw

65% of their average wage. Now, becau*e the State

average wage is l84 dollars, youfre talking about

the ah... building trade. Youlre telling about the

United Auto workers. Youdre telling about the, the .

ah... organized ah... high skilled people. If a

. person makes a hundred a wemk, 55% of khem are going

to draw 65 dollars a week unemployment compensation.''

Kane: ''Are you saying, Representative Giorgi, that you

don't know what the average weekly benefit will be

kk 448 passes?''

Giorçi: .'1, I can't tell you What the employment picture j

Iwill be three months from nowe''

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employment picture.''

Giorgi: ''I can tell you that today 551 of the people

drawing unemployment compensation are single wage

earners. That ought to tell you that 55% of the

People on unemployment compensation will draw two-

thirds of their average wage. And if theydre making

40 dollars a week, it's two-khirds of 40 dollarsw''

Kane: ''Well the presenk average, youlre saying, is some-

where between 60 and 65 dollars. What I'm asking

you is, what will that figure increase to?''

Giorgi: ''Well, if webre going.. . A1l right, let's say

that ah...''

Kane: MDo you know?''

Giorgi: ''1, 1111 tell you from.u I can only tell you

from ah... past experience. If we don't go back

to work tomorrow, no one will be drawing moneyv ''

Kane: ''Given the same pattern of unemployment that we

have had over the last three years, four years

lthe average has not changed much. From J7l to '73

the average has stayed between 60 and 65 dollars

regardless of the level of unemployment.''

Giorgi: RWelre going to increasep . . . If all of these things

beeome lawr a hundred and forty dillion dollars will

be the extra payout. 55% of that will be by single

people, so the average will go up to maybe 90 dollars .'

a week. 50î of the 60.'1

Kane: ''Are you sure of those figures. Or you jusk pul-ling them ouE of the air.N

Giorgi: ''I have them here from the Department of Unem-

ployment Compensaticn Insurance. I don't pretend to

know...''

Kane: ''Would you talk into khe mike, please.''

Giorgi: ''I have the figures here from the Unemploymentl

Insurance ah... actuaries in khe Unemployment In-

surance office.''

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Kane: ''Theydre the ones who made the projection?''

Giorqi: ''How's that again? Yesp''

Kane: ''They said it was 90 dollars. Or a<e: yoù juit making 1up that figure ncw.''

Giorgi: ''If there was anything, I was pretky good ak'

)arithmetic. Wepre going to increase the unemployment

. . average about 50% which today is 60 will go to 90.'1

' Kaner ''Now, that was 60 before the increase in January

#

Giorgiz ''That's khe increase welre... Yea, but that's '

not the increase.o.f'

Kane: lsixty dollars is before the January first increasep''

Giorgi: ''Correct.''

Xane: ''Okay, what is it now afker khe January first inereasez'!

Giorgi: ''No, youfre talking about the new minimum in the

law. The new minimum is 67 dollors per person that

earns over and above what he needs. The average

wage payment is skill 60 dollars a week, last year.''l' jKane: ''So

, the average weekly benefit then will be some-

where between 90 and l00 dollarss''

Giorgi: $'Well, I wouldnlt say 100: 90 to 95. What does

that tell you?''

Kane: ''Can you tell me what the national unemploymen'à

weekly average is? Paymentt''

Giorgi: ''I know that Connectieut ah... gives 80% of

their average ah...'' ' .!(Kanel HDollar figure.p'

Giorgi: ''I don't know the answer because ah... Illinois ah...

among the States, I think wetre 49th in the rank in

our pay on umemployment compensation insurance.f'

Kane: f'Well: Illinois, right nowf is 15th in average

weekly payouts. Michigan is khe highest at 73 dollarsw''

Giorgi: ''Michigan is not the highest.''

Speaker Redmond: HWould you bring your questions to a

close, please?''

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Kane: >Mr. Speaker: can I address the Bi11.'1

Speaker Redmond: ''Proceedo''

Kane: *Mr. Speak:r, ladies and gentlemen of the House:

I think it's evident that the sponsor of this Bill

has not done his homework is that he doesnlt have the

figures Ehat are available forp.p''

Speaker Redmond: RPlease give the gentleman your at-

tenkion.''

Kane: ''Mr. Speaker. ladies and gentlemen of the House,

I think that it's evident that the sponsor of this

Bill has not done his homework on this Billx This

is a far reaching Bill. We do have ah. . . problems

with unemployment and unemployment compensation in

this State. It's that we need ta improve the bene-

fits; but I think that before we make a judgement onwhat those improved benefits should be: that the

least that we should ask of the sponsor of the Bill* ''' ,

is that he know what he is doing and khaE ik's going

ko cost and who is, who itls going to cost and how

this is going to compare with other Skates in the

Union. According to figures thak I have compiled by'

the United States Department of Labor is that the

average per weekly unemployment benefit in this, in

the 'country is somewhere around 60 to 65 dollars per' week and the highest State is Michigan at an average

of between 70 and 75 dollars a week and thak webre '

being asked now to increase the unemployment bene-

fits in Illinois to between 90 and 95 dollars which

would put Illinois somekhere between 30 and 40% above

the next highest State. I think that before we take

that step, we should look much more carefully at khis

Bi1l and we should ask the sponsor of the Bill to come .

up with some solid figures and not figures that h:

comes up with by doing instank mathematics on a piece

of paper in front of him on the floor. And so, until

we have those figures, I intend to vote 'presentds''. . :,.

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peaker Redmond: . ''Representative Sehlickman.'' !

Schlickman: RWould the Speakerr would the sponsor yieldI

for a few questions?''

Speaker Redmond: nIndicates he will./

Schlickman: t'Representative, you indicated at the outset

lthat the maximum limit upon the benefits and that an

individual would be able to collect under House Bill

488 would be no Rore than two-thirds of the State-'

ide average weekly wage . Is Ehat correct?''w!

Giorgi: ''A sin... Youlre talking about a single person:

the single benefit, yes.'':

'

Schlickman: ''Who will determine the fiqures used to deter-

mine khe State-wide average weekly wage?''

Giorgi: ''It's ah... itls an agreed figure among the em-

ployers and the unemployment ah.. compensation in- .

surance office. Bureau of Labor Statistics.''

Schlickman: f'What if there can't be agreement?''

Giorgi: ''Well, kheybve seemed to agree in the past because '

they figure their wage factor on that.''

Schlickman: ''But you, there is no certainty as to how

that State-wide average weekly wage will be deter-

mined in the future, if at a11.''

Giorgi: ''0h, yes it is. It's done by a totalling up

all the people under an insured program and dividing

by the numher of employees.''

Schlickaan: ''Which figures will be used?''

Giorgi: ''Those figures. Those that are under insured

employment, covered by the unemployment insurance.''

Schlickman: p'Now this quotient will have to be revised

every year. Is that correct?''

Giorgi: ''Thatls correct.''

Schlïcknan: ''Okay. What do you estimate will be the I

percentage increase?''I

Giorgi: ''We1l, if we...''

Schlickman: ''Using this maximum that youdve established

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Giorgi: 1'I think that the average State wage will drop

this year because of l0t unemployment factors in

i many parts of the State. That's for 175, usable in

' 7 6 . ''

Schlickman: >Now, by your Billr you eliminate the one

week waiting period. Is that correct?'' '

Giorgi: ''Yes.''

Schlickman: ''Isn't the policy or the philosophy with re-

gards to the one week waiting period to encourage

the unemployed to seek new employment and if so, '

why are you removing this incentive?''

Giorgi: ''We11: what's happening is, welve debated this

one week waiting period and it seems to be very im-

portant in the automobile industry and the ah.. and

the construction and the farmer you are. . . employers

will shut down for a week and the person loses a

ks wàges and ah... I think they look at the ah.. . lweelrailway act where khe railway workers, none of them

are penalized that waiting week. Theypre. . . They

Iget unemployment compensation benefits immediately ;

land we think it's just ah... something put in there 1by the people that were legislating the 1aw years

tago when it# you know... Eleven States have removed

the one week waiting period.''

Schlickman: ''Would you agree that by Ehe elimination of I

this one week waiting period that the cost of un-

employment compensation to the employers will increase '

by approximately 20 million dollars annuallya''

Giorgi: ''No, sir. The figures ah... that Mr. Kane dis-

putes from the Unemployment Compensation office had

this law been into effect last year: it would have

cost 13 million 7 hundred thousand dollars.'''

an: ''Somewhere between 13 and 20 million dollars. lj

Schlickm

Is that correct?''

Gibrgi: ''The actual figure is 13 million, 7 hundred and

98 thousand dollars. 1:11 give you a copy of the j... k .' t , -.' >..zhjjg . ' ea'. c E yj E R A j. x s g E M jj j. y, fix ; Rm Y/ :t' V''i. ).';-x.: ,1 sv..v s os Iuu,-o,s$ r-& c.x .?:. . :94;: n. '' @ .' so us c o e' R s ea ss E.a 'r A 'r ù y Esn'. Srrwx

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figures if you want them.'' '

Schlickman: 'INow as I understand your Bill, you expand the l

definition of child support to allow an individual

to claim a child, a dependent, if the individual pays'

jany portion of the cost of support of the child. Now

presently, an individual must actually provide one half

of the support for the child. Ah... I'm just wonder-inge should an individual be .granted full compensation

for a dependent when he or she may be working only 2

part-time tand may be actually contrfbuting only 5% . .

of the families income. Wherels the rakional on the

relationship?''

Giorgi: ''Well, it seems that when ah. . . a family, one of :

the breadwinners is laid off, they hàve the option of 'I

taking the dependents as their dependents during the '' layoff period and that's frozen for that one year's

benefik period. And if they're part-time workers

like you say, there isnlt much unemployment compensa-

tionwœ

Schlickman: ''How much do you estimate that will cost?l'

Giorgi: NThe dependents allowanee? Again, in spite of

what the previous questioner said, would have cost

15 million, 8 hundred and 83 thousand dollars. A '

7% increasew''

Schlickman: ''Representative, one final question. You

indicated that Illinois vnow ranks 49th among the

50 States with regards to unemployment compensation

benef it S . 'ê '

Giorii : WYCS . K '

Schlickman: 'lltls been suggested that by your Bill, Illinois

will go from 49th to first in the country. Is thati

correct?''

lGiorgi: ''Say that again sir, I didn't quite hear you.''

Schlickman: 1'I say it's been stated that by your Bill,

) 'Illinois will go from 49*h to first. Is that correct?'' IGiorgi: ''I have never heard that. I don't think the

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Chamber of Commerce has even printed that skatement.

;, I'm not aware of your statistics. ''

Schlickman: ''Mr. Speaker, if I may address myself to the

Bil1.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Proceed.''

Schlickman: ''As khe previous opponenk of this Bill, the'

gentleman from Sangamon, ah... mentioned and I agree

with him wholeheartedly, there's no question that this

Body should be concerned about the plight of the un-

employed and I donlt think there's any question ah.. . '

that we in Illinois should improve unemployment com-

pensation ah... program, particularly at'this time.

However, I do suggestz respectfully, that by this

Bill we are going from one extreme to another and in

so doing, welll be placing an almost intolerable bur-

den upon business and industry in this State and I

respecEfully suggest that it's not governmenk that

creates jobs, but its business and industry. And if

we want to keep business and industry in the State of

Illinois and if we want to produce the jobs in theState of Illinois that are needed for our citizens,

We ought to be very concerned about the effect of this

Bill. There are many, many figures that are thrown

about, 20 million, 30 million ah... Tremendous per-

centage increases. And, unfortunakely, the sponsor

himself doesn't know what the real effect of his .

Bill is going to be. I respectfully suggest that,

in light of the uncertainty of the effect of this Bill

and considering the almost exaggerated increases

in benefits that would take place, that it is an in-

ordinate ah... kind of measure ah... to be passing

at this time. Particularly ah... when we note that .

businesses are leaving the State ah... to other States

ah... where the clinate is more condusive ah.op to en-

gaging in business and thereby taking jobs from Il-

linois to other States. 1 therefore: would encourage

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a 'nol vote on House Bill 488.11

Speaker Redmond: f'Representative Ebbesenw''

Ebbeseh: ''Ah... yes, Mr. Speaker and ah.. ladies gentle- l

men of the House. ah... Mr. Speaker? would the spon-

sor yield for a question?''

Speaker Redmond: 'llndicates he willp.'?

Ebbeseh: ''Ah... Representative Giorgi, in your opinion

do you feel the adoption of House Bill 488 will pro-

vide the stimulus for creation of these jobs for those ind bobs in Illinois that you were 'now unable to f

ihdicating earlier?''

Giorgi: *Mr. Ebbesen, in the Rockford land area the rate

of nnemployment is 10%. We couldnlt buy a'job by in- .

creasing unemployment compensation. All welre pro-

viding and the Federal government has noticed the

Plight of the unemployed. Lask week, they passed

Legislation allowing loans of up to 250 dollars a

month for those that are on unemployment roles to'

pay for Eheir mortgages, insurance needs, and taxes 1I

apd whatever. All this is going to do is going to 1allow that fellow in the marketplace who ean't find

a job that has achieved a standard of living of l' Ipaying a mortgage and paying for an automobile to

not file bankruptcy like a lot of you fellows would

like to have them do.''

Ebbesen: ''Wel1, Representative Giorgi, would you give an) '

answer to my question. Yes or no, do you think the 't. l

adoption of House Bill 488 is going to provide these ' i

qobs here in Illinois.''

Giorglz ''Provide jobsa''

Ebbesen: ''Yes.''

Giorgi: ''l think that the 2 million dollars that wefre l

qoing to put into the economy every week in the event

488 is passed is going to provide a lot of jobs for Ilthe small shopkeepers that depend on that income.''i

' ike to address myself ! Ebbesen: ''Ah.. . Mr. speaker, I d l.. k-;7kè.'-. ; . zj .

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to the Bill.'I

1 Speaker Redmondt ''Proceed.''

Ebbesenz ''Now, House Bill 483,.concerns me as a LegislatorI

because of this. The long range impact it will have

on business in this State. Now, we all know that

more and more manufacturing businesses are departing

from Illinois because they find it impossible, fm-

Possible to compete in the national and the interna-

kional market because of the increasing cost of doing

business in Illinois. Nowr House Bill 488, to me/ is

just going to do nothing but compound the problem.Besides the impact on the business cost, it fails to

make sense to increase the benefits of unemployment

compensation to make it more attractive not to work.

Our netional policy concerning welfare and ah... food

stamps, already creates a climate thak encourages

people to stay on welfare versus the getting a job

at a minimun wage. Likewiser in eliminating the

waiting week: is going in the wrong direction and it 'iwill discourage those who are laid off from seeking other

employment. I realize that we took out of the 3ill

the Section on the strikers, but the very fact that

it was even put into the Bill made a bad Bill even

worse. Por that, I'm happy that it was elininated.

In the interest of keeping industry healthy and grow-

ing in Illinois, in other words, discourage industry

from leaving: I urge everyone to take a firm stand'

inly have a 1against House Dill 488 as it will certal

detrimental effect on the producing industries in our l

State. These are fundamental issues ah... even though

we all have high compassion for those that are dis-

Placed and particularly in the times of tough economy.

If the elements of this Bill are put into laW, it

could create permanent job er... displacement as oP- 'posed to temporary due to the economic Clndition. I

hope all members concur with my feelings khat We should

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not let the short range economic displacement that

has engulfed the country cause us to make what will

doz in my opinion, permanent damage to the health,

and viability of the industries in Ehe State. And

I would certainly encourage everyone to cast a 'no''

vote on House Bill 488.:'

Speaker Redmond: I'The gentleman from Peoria, Representative' j

Tuerk. '' I. ' I

Tuerk: ''Mr. Speaker, would the sponsor yield for a few

tiOnS?O 'ques

Speaker Redmond: ''He indicates he will.r'

Tue'rk: ''One of your colleagues on that side of the aisle

suggested to me earlier this morning that maybe I give

you the opportunity to ah... for multiple choice

answers because you donlt seem to answer my questions I

to well, but... On a very serious vein, ah... would

you mind reviewing for the membership, for their bene-

fiE because we have a 1ot of new members and a lot of

the veterans don'k recall what the historical pattern I

of unemployment compensation benefits has been in the .

last three or four years.l'

Giorgi: ''Well# Ered, really I think that ah... I can

hardly refresh our memories somewhat, but I think

youlre probably closer to that than I am except that

when enemployment compensation...''

Tuerk: ''No, I haven't been sponsoring these Bills and

O have.'fy u .

Giorgi: S'Yes, but youbve been ah... very observant and

a student of the unemployment compensation process.

But anyway, when comp... when Illinois... when the

unemployment compensation act came into being in

1935, effective in 1937 the employers and the ah...

that were advising the Congress, both the Social

Security and the Unemploymen: Compensation Proqram,. -'' 1

) 1were based on the first three thousand that any per- 1 :lwould earn. The tax'was bas d ' ' ee .

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thousand dollars. Well, since that time Social

Securities has evolved to where the employees con-

tributing and now it's up to 13 thouyand 5 hundred '

khat b0th the employee and employer contributes on.

But the unemployment compensaEion program that start- k

ed at three thousand dollars has escelated to forty-

kwo hundred. Only once, in forty years: was that

base moved from three thousand to forty-two hundred.

Now, and the theory in 1960, in I35 and recent as

last year from the Presidential Commission struck

by former President Nixonr it recommended that 65%

was a truer figure vhen youlre helping people ah.v.

in the transition period between unemployment and

looking for a job. So that ah... And then evolvedthe tieory in Illinois where the employer group, the

employee group and three independents would study

the unemployment compensation program as they effect Ithe State and would study the workmans compensation j.'

hey effect the State and khere would be Iprogram as t!

d Bill processed. Now I think, I khink that lan :gree

process has fallen apart. Does that, does that bring

you up to date?''

Tuerkl ''Noz it hasn,t. Ah... I1m aware of the fact the

agreed Bill process hadn't worked recently but that's

another subject. It's been because the Governor of ,l

this State only just recently finally appointed some !' members to that advisory board which would sit down 1

and knock out a negotiated settlement on unemployment

comp. It hadnd'k been because peùpl: hadn't wantedeto f

talk about it and come to some reasonable settlement (on that? on the situation. Buk, you still ùaven't

answered my question. The question is, would you

l the membership hok much unemployment compensation 1te1l1lbenefits have risen in the last three or four years?l

Thatfs all I want to know, not back in 1937 because

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. Gàorgi: ''Qhe last ah... program thak was, became effective

in '73, the popular word around the State was that

we had increased benefits 10t but in reality, we had

only increased them 7%.''

Tuerk: ''We1l, that's not trueof'

Giorgi: 'dYes, it is. Welre goipg to have an opinion on

that. But, Ehe point is, the average, the average

wage in the State of Illinois is l84 dollars as

agreed by the employee and khe employer group . The

average wage in auto in Illinois is about 240 dollars

a keek, but when a person goes on the unemployment

roles, no matter what he made a week, he's confined

to 67 dollars a week. That's the basic payment to

a single person. Do we agree on that? Do you agree

to that? ''

Tuerk: ''I haven'k looked over the schedule. I could look

in the Bill and the benefit is about 60 dollars for

a single person, yes, on full employment. For a

single persono'' .

Giorgi: ''67, and 55% of the unenployed receive 67 dollars

a weekv''

Speaker Redmond: l'Representative Tuerk, are you finished?'' !

Tuerk: ''Oh no, Ilm just beginningo''/' .Speaker Redmond: 1'Well. I think maybe you should do it

on the explanation of your voke rather than the

questioning...''

Tuerk: ?We1l, nowz wait a mfnute, Mr. Speaker. Ah... I've

asked him one question. Do I not get 1: minutes?''

speaker Redmond: ''Proceed.''.' .

Tuerk: ''He still hasn't answered my queskion and on the

ah... when I speak to the 3i1l on explanation of vote

1.11 enlighten the membership just a little Eit onthat score. Unfortunately, the sponsor never is able

to answer the questions we ask him. Especially if 1

theylre kind of tough ones.''

Giorgi: ''That's right, I've got limited intelligence.t'. 7 ï &û*M, :p . t:,k ...,z A'trzoz-e' . G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y. k..... , 't ti 1 $,: # ,

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Tuerk: 4'Now, who ah... who establishes this weekly ah...

average rate of pay?''

Giorgi: ''The unemployment compensation offièem'l

Tuerk: ''Well, I've asked them for that figure and I haven't

been able to get an answer out of them, but do you

not agree that a person with some dependents: if theydre

laid off, can under yo= Bill, actually draw more

money while unemployed while they were employed?''

' Giorgiz frred, for me to be fair, I've got to refer to

to khe Chamber of Commerce letter ah... circulating

throughout the State very heavily. Youbre talking

about the fellow with four children that is making

over the top wage. He's making over 250 dollars a

week and he has four children and as I said earlier

of the l77 members sitting here, only 10 of us would

qualify because we have four or more children. Only

10 of us out of l77 would qualify because only 0%

of the people on unemployment qualify for the maxi-

mum benefits. six per cent.''

Tuerk: ''Is that your answer?l'

Giorgi: ''I can't be any ah... I know I went to a parochial

school, but..oa'

Tuerk: ''Well, youlve had some questions on this one

week waiting period ah... the elimination of that.

Philisophically, you know how I've been opposed to

that coneept ah... over the years. But, you've given

a figure that it would cost somewhere in the area of

13 million, I would point out that probably it would

be closer to 20 Dillion. Do you have any comment

on that?''

Giorgi: ''Fred, I have before me the figures written by

the actuary used in the unemployment compensation in-

surance office in Chicago. And he said, had this

been law during 1974, the removal of the cne week j

waitlng period would have amounted to 13 million,

7 hundred and 98 thousand dollars. Now, you have

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to show me where your figures dispute this. Whaki ll

you base yours on. This is from the actuary. That's (I

lwhy 1 resent someone said I didn't do my homework. .

I've had to live with this Bill.'' .

Tuerk: '1Well, Mr. Speaker, I could go on and ask many

other questions, but if I may, 1:11 speak on the

Bill.<

Speaker Redmond: ''Proceed.''

Tuerk: I'I asked the sponsor of this Bill in Committee,I

I've asked him on the floor of the House on a number

of occasions and the membership never really gets an'

janswer to the question relakive to benefit structure ' 1

over the last several years. I remember full well,

two years ago: when a similar Bill came inko the'

House which asked for a 25% increase. At that time: 1.1we were able to sit down and work out a, what we con- '

sidered to be a reasonable compromise and thak was

a l5% increase. Now a while agox you heard him say'

j jthat it was a 7% increase. so, you see, he s answer- .-

ashion. Ah....laét fall, 1ingmy questions in 50t f) 'for example, we knocked out another agreement which l

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, . . called for a l2% increase. Back in 71 there ;'

)was an increase. Ah.... so, in the last three ko

four years therels been increases amounting to some- !. Iwhere in the vicinity of 50%. Now, this Bill calls '1

lfor increases over and above that and increases the l. I

tbenefits beyond the 50t level. Now, the membership j

I. of this House knows full well what my concept on un- !

'

ensation is) and Ehat is, the unemploy- 1,employment comp

ted should be compensated. Welve set up a program of, . i

ing ah... There should be a reasonable ap- llong standlproach to taking care of khe needs of the people who j

are unfortunately unemployed. But when it comes to tIthe point where you can make more money, in some cases, ;I' iwh

en youfre unemployed than when employed, then I say 'lr:n o Hn rppwrn =rR mn

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many years. Now, many people in khis House have eluded

to the point that business and industry is moving oùt

of the State of Illinois at a higher rate than itls

coming in and this is a truisn. And really if this

B1l1 paases, youfre going to find a much more rapid

exodus of industry and business leaving the State of

Illinois and therefore, the result of this Bill can

be very counkerproductive, rather than productive.

As a matter of fact, it can be in a situakfon where

some industry and business is laying off people so

that it can pay its rightful tax on unemployment comp.

For many okher reasons the one week waitingr the fàct

that the dependency allowance is in this Bill to

where either one or the other can claim dependents,

regardless of how much iks ah... responding to the

' care of the child. Por these and other reasons, even

though the one real bad, bad fact of this Bill was

eliminated the other day in an Amendment. For these

reasons and others, I would urge the membership of

1the House to reject this Bill,'perhaps so that we cah 11s;t down and rap out what is considered to be a reason-

able approach to this problem and move on to more

orderly process of this entire problem for the people

of the SEate of Illinois.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Cunningham.''

Cunningham: ''Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlenen of the

House, for many employers, large and small throughout

the State of Illinois, House 3ill 488 might well be

the'final straw that broke the canel's back. Or to

reduce this matter to barnyard language, the workers l. throughout this State can't go onsmilking the cow for- b

ever without feeding her. And the feed that I'm talking

about is the difference between what the employer takes

in fn his receipts and his cost of doing business and

lit's called profit. The present climate of businessis such that itls absolutely impossible. The resistance

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of the public forbids and raising of the price you '

can sell items for. So# what follows as the night to1

day that any increase in the cost of business is de- I

ducted from that profit and when the profit back to I

the employer sinks to zero or below, the employer no

lopger has the incentive, yea, he no longer has the

ability to continue to be an employer and so sadly he

has to join his former employees in the unemploymentlines. Now, happily there's a way that we can avoid

this threatened social disaster and the way we do that;

is to exercise with restraint and common sense. The l

fiqures show at khe presenk time, in the cost of

doipg business khat this unemployment compensation

which is a skrict gift, a strict gift from the employer' j

to the employee runs as much as 2% of the Eotal pay-'

roll. And khere are lots of figures to support the

Proposition that many small employers in this State,

that costs of business would be double by passipg

this Bi1.l. The employers simply cannot abide such 1

an increased burden. And you must recpgnize that and' all of the employees must recognize that. Organized

. labor in Illinois has come ko one of those important

crossroads or a 'Y' in the road, if it where, and the

choices are these. One, they could and should fore-

: go any increase in unemployment compensation at the

present time in the name of helping business and

helping khemselves, but too, if they feel that they

must have an increase in unemployment compensation,

they should say., here am 1. send me, I want to share

ln the cost of that increase. There was a very novel

' suqgestion the other day. A very fine, an Amendment

that would permit everyone to help bear the burden,

share tggether. 1, for one, do not believe that the

workers of this State want to be freeloaders, .regard- lless of how enthusiastic the sponsors may push that

proposition. Now, I think that the pride would come.. L' s, ?k rl')..w.lksïrpxee%. G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y' ft. .,s.. ; , .t,.f? 1. -

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in sharing the burden, would more than offset the

ain and cost of it . Really, should consider these lPll

Propositions before they take the third alternative. )And the third alternative is# to continue hell-bent

down the road on which theybre presently traveling

which surely will end up in killing the goose that

laid the golden eqg. Now, before I sit down, I want

to publicly disassociate myself from some criticism

that emanated from this side of the House last week

against Mr. Skanley Johnson for alleged illegal, il- '

legitimate distribution of some publication on this

floor. Ipffor one: believe khat Stanley Johnson isI

peerless. I know and respect and admire and love the

man. We... There are none like him/that I know of.

He needs no defense from me because he deserves, he

deserves the confidence and affection that hels held1.by all thak know him. But despite that position? I

must publicly say to you, ladies and gentlemen, you'llInever have a better opportunity, never have a better I

1opportunity during this session to sEand up and strike .

a lick for the whole State of Illinois than by joining'

hands and resolving together this Bill shall not passp'' r

speaker Redmond: 'RRepresentative Marovitz.''

Marovitz: MThank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Members of

the House of Representativesr will the sponsor yield?'' .

Speaker Redmond: îflndicates he wil1.''

Marovitz: ''Representative Giorgi, if this Bill passes ah...

and this is just a question I would really like to

know for myself' and IIn sure it's of interest to the

rest of the members of the House. Would Illinois, then,' have the highest overall uhemplcymeht compensation

' benefit structure in m e country, if this Bill should

. pass: ''

Giorgi: ''I don't believe so, Bill. I don't know that.

't know what the other 50 states are doing. I know 1, z donthat two or three other States ah... pay more than we

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do. They pay a bigger per cent than Me do. But. k1, we can't ah... Illinois is the third State in i

IPersonal income. I realize that our State is re-I

ceivipg maybe 55 billion dollars a year in State in- '(I

come. I dön't think we can compare ourselves to Mis- I

sissippi: Alabama and South Carolina. Although, Ala- ii

,, I. bama pays more than we do.

Marovitz: ''You say welre the third State in personal ;

income.e .

Giorgi: ''Thatls right.'lI

Marovitzz PHow about in comparing ourselves to State one '. I

Iand two?e I

' lGiorgi: ''Ah... incidently. New York and California ah...

' Their States unemployment is so bad that they have

qone to the, their... The people in those States can

receive up to 65 weeks of unemployment compensation

benefits.''

Marovitz: ''At what rate?'? '

$Giorgi: ''Ah... I think that ah... three States have better 1'

rates than ours and I don't know if California is one 1' 1

of them. I donpt... 7ou know, I don't know what

all 50 States are doing. I think there is a ah.pq

I don't know what the other States are doingp''

Marovikz: ''Okay, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.l'

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Hudson.''

Hudson: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen

of the House, would the sponsor yield?'' .

Giorgi: >Yes.''

Hudson: ''Representative Giorgi, you eluded ah... sometime

back to this one week waiting pericd. I realize you

have answered questions about it before, but, I may

have misunderstood .you're answer. My information has

it that ah... only one State and that is Michigan basl

done away completely with the one week waiting period.'

.1 say done away compleEely.''l

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receive from the people in the field, 9 States have

eliminated the one week waiting and the States include

Alabama, Connecticut, Delaware, Kentucky, Marylande

Nevada, NeW Hampshire.''

Hudson: f'Well? this is...''

Giorgi: nThe Governor...''

Hudson: ''Excuse me, 1... I did nok mean to be rude and

'interrupt your answer. Ah... this would seem to tie

in ah... The information I have is that eight other

States do permit a waiver of the requirement if an

applicant can prove severe hardship. Now, that, in

py opinion, is different than completely removing

the one wedk waiting period such as we are doingw''

Giorgi: I'WeIre... That was the Amendment you suggested.

Yougre talking about a...''

Hudson: ''We11, whatever it may have been, it didn't make

it ''

Giorgi: 'fcorrect, because now in the unemployment com- .

pensation fields, there are employee,.o.employee

groups, employee service companies that are employed

by the employers to challenge claims capriciously and

according to your Amendment, it would allow them...

I think theylre challenging 30 thousand claims a

month noW and with that ah... terminology and the

language, I'm afraid it might jump to 50 or 60 thoua-

sand on account of the one week waiting period which

not only would challenge your claim but it would

also khrow their claim back eight or nine weekswl'

Hudson: ''Well? I don't ah... I don't follow that and

I don't agree with ik. It would seem to me that we

are, we are stepping well ahead of other States, most

other States, if not practically all of them have

seen fit to do when we go the course wepre doing.

But, youbve answered the question. Welll move on to

another one. Ah... Representative Giorgi, ah... you

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it your answer that it would ah... that Illinois then '$ .would lead, would lead the States in unemployment con- '

pensation?''. lGiorgi: ''I'm not s

ure... I don't know the answer to that 1t '.question because I donlt know what all the States are ! I

1:Idoing. Buk I do know this, we are the third State I

in personal income but there are other States that '

pay more in the unemployment compensation insurance ' I

act than we do. So, we ought to be within the first

llree Stakes in our pam ent of pnemplom ent compensa- lt

tion claims if wepre the third qreates*-state in in- '

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Budson: ''If ah... that ah... is where we end up, my in-' - l

formation has ik that Connecticut now has the highest 1l -rate and its trust fund is broke. Would you yespono ' j

to that?''

Giorgi: ''Yes, ah... Itls true. I've got the. . . Ilve

found the sheet here. Connecticut pays 83% of their 'laverage earnings and Pennsylvania pays 64% which y

lis greater than ours. Those are the two States thak Ii

pay greater than we do. And Connecticut, unemployment '. i1ion fund is already been cushioned and re- lcompensat

Ilinforced by the Federal government. It's a Bill that

Ford signed ah.. I think, December 31.''

Hudson: ''If our trust fund goes broke and it could, what

then does the SEate do?''

Giorgi; ï'The Governor asks the Federal government to1

give them the money to replenish it, the trust fundv'' iIHudson: ''Ah... and that would have to be paid ah... back t

to the Federal government in the way of a loan, would

it DOt2D

l' Hudson: ''Within two years or there is an inierest penalty. 11

Is that correct?l'

Giorgi: 'lWe hope to get the same break khat Russia and

so'me of the other countries have gotten in lend-lease

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prograns.'' I

Hudson: ''One more question, Representakive Giorgi and khak

is on the business of ah... how much the individual

must contribute in the case of unemployment. Let me

ask you this; if you had two people working, a man ji

, Iand wife and the man, let s say was a highly paid

executive. He might be making a hunired thousand

or a hundred fifty a year. The wife was also em-

. ployed but she was laid off. Could she ah.., realize i

full unemployment benefits under khis?'' !. I

''Yes, sir. In that family or in other families 1Giorgi:

she could be the high priced employee and he could i

be the lesser priced employeep''

Hudson: ''Yes, but none the less, the family itself would jstill be ah... you might say even affluent. Is that

true? The family itself in aggregate could be an

affluent family, but skill drawing unemployment' q

compensationx'' ;. i

Giorgi: 'lBased on the person individual prior average ji

;p . 'weekly wage.

Hudson: '1Well, Mr. Chairman, 1111 address myself to the i

Bill. When this measure was heard in Committee, I

! 'described it as not simply a nail being driven intothe coffin 1id of business and industry, but indeed,

a 10 inch spike being driven into the coffin lid of I

business and industry in the Stake of Illinois. I j'!h

avenlt changed my point of tiew in khis regard be- l

cause that's exactly what I believe ik is. Not just

an ordinary nail, but a spike driven in the lid?

. coffin lid of busineis in Illinois. I have been im-

pressed with the statement from the printing industry

and I think this is reflective of many industries where

they say thaE in the last 10 years, the printipg

industry in Illinois has lost 30% of its share of the 1national printing volume to low-cost labor areas who

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unemployment compensation, sales and property taxes.

The reduction in volume suffered has cost, they say,

Illinois not less than 20 thousand jobs directly con-

cerned with printing and an untold number in those

companies utilizing minority help for processing prtnk-

ing and catalogue publishing houses, etc. Well, this

I believe to be illustrative of what can happen, whak

may be happening as the demand of these kinds un-'

j' employment. Although, we may be sympathetic with I

ah ' the concept generally, but when the demands!

become excessive, I think that welre really doing

is driving business out of this State of Illinois.

1: for one, like to feel khat one way of helping :

the workinq man is to create a èlimate in this State1

that encourages business and industry and creates

jobs here. I cannot see and it seems to me that it

is counterproductive to introduce those measures which

will have Ehe opposite effect. The effect of driving

business and job opportunities out of the State of l

Illinois increasing the very uxemployment that we

purport to be addressing ourselves to ah.qp with

measures of this kind. I think it is? I think it

is bad, Representative Giorgi. I think it will pro-

duce the opposite effect, the opposite effeck of what

you have in mind and to me, we ought ko label your

Bill maybe Highway 488, Highway 488 which will lead,

I think, in the direetion of fiscal, ahq.. of ah...

insolvency.and ah... possibly bankruptcy. Certainly

ee-.bankruptcy 'of the fund and certainly economic

disaster in the StaEe of Illtnois and I would heartily

urge my colleagues to vote 'no' on this measure.'' '

' ' Speaker Redmond: lpRepresentative Schneider.''

Schneider: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members of the House,

Zeke? I talked in formally with one of the advocatesI

j ' Iof the Bill and it s my understanding that there will

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m-mher of the House, I'm having a hard time with

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1this Legislation and in the pasE I ve been unflinchingly (in favor of it, but I've been persuaded to ah... take a

second look at ik. There's a lot of merit to what

is offered ah... ironically enopgh by my colleague,

Representative Hudson. Would you quit dancipg and I

think we ought to really be serious about ah... whether

or not we in the Hduse ought to bi *he ones that are going'

to bear the brunt of a very difficult ah... difficult

vote. There are the perimeters of this ah... economic

impact is significant for a lot of us. I think it

is something thak we ought to really look at in final

detail and if welre goipg to amend khis Bill in the

Senate, I don't want to be the one who goes out on ll'

jthe limb and ah... supporting a Bill that has some' jproblems, you know. So, could you perhaps, give

serious thoughk to sitting down with ah... the mem-

bers of labor and industry and commerce and small 1

business: talk seriously about what really is going

to come out of this House and I would feel, as a mem- l

ber, that it would be fair for me to give it the kind

of vote it deserves. Right now, I think, a lot of

us are admittipg publicly and privitely that this is

a very difficult Bill to vote for. Ah... can you

give me a comment or some kind of assurance on that?l''

.. lGiorqi: ''Representative Schneider, I couldnft begin to 1tell you what the Senate is going to do with this

Bill. I know that ah... Ilve been on the Industry Iand Labor Committee for years. Ilve wrestled wikh

unemployment compensation Bills for years and you

lisEen to the gentleman from Peoria tell you of a11

the great gains in unemployment compensation payouts,

you still have the m:gnificent sum of 67 dollars a

week for a person who is unemployed and he could

have been earning 300 dollars a week in gainful em-

ployment. He reaches a standard of living where today. . - x. ....' kpjxre U.

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he has to file bankruptcy. I canht tell you what

the Senate is going to do. You know better than I

what the Senate might dop''

Schneider: ''We1l, I1m really sympathetic. You know, I

come from a laboring background and my whole family

is in that traditionp yek and I know pretty much

first-hand about the problems of that ah... sector

of our private and public economy, A1l I'n saying,

is that if wedre going to have a Bill that is going

to be dramatically different or more ah... realistic

in terms of how we approach unemployment in a recesr

sionary period and uncertain economic period if itls

really authentic in terms of our criticism that business

is going to be leaving Illinois and IIm not so sure I

can accept that. But even, even to make it as one 'of

the crikeria, all those things brought together I would

like to know if you can really give me some ah... sugv

gestlons fron your point of view as to why we cannot

just hold the Bill for a while and meet with those '

groups, Labor and Commerce informally and publicly.

In any kind of capacity in order to get a real Bill

out of here. Ah... now that ah... I'm taking maybe

Ia handle on a rumor or suggestion that may or may not

be true, but maybe you ought to be able to suggest to

me ah... what your vision of that rumor is or what

you're willingness is to talk to these various sectors.

Zeke, I think we have, wedre going to have a hard

time passing the Bill.''

Giorgi: ''Representative Schneider? I sat here last session

with an unemployment compensatian Bill went up to the

deadline. This year, because we were going to enack

. some type of unemployment compensation, I felt I

opght to get the Bill out early enough. So, without lgetting dramatic I'd like to remind you that the same i. 1ople that were screaming we were going down the road lPe

to socialism and communism when social Security was.

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enacted and the unemployment compensation act was iIIenacted and when the A.M.A. said that Medi-care Il

was the ruination of this country and the next bet, 1

Penn Central was in the Congress asking to nationalize j

themselves. So, I think youVre using, youlre buying

the same argumenk that the Chamber of khe Commerce

11 lhas generated out of this mimeograph machine.. Schneider: '1Well, I know about the inconsistencies of those j

Ikinds of arguments and I see the failures of applying '

particular cases like Penn Central and Lockheed and

all of that to a ah... kind of a mixed free-enterprise

system and I know what youdre saying and I really1want to suqgest to you that I ah... can make the !

' distinction between idealogical ah... questions you're

raising. Sor I don't think I'm being dupedp I want

. to say to you as a pragmatic matter as it appears

in my districk that there is legitimate concern. I

think itls real concern and I am a person who is never

failed to vote for this kind of proposal and I'm

suggesting again that if it is going to be changed

and amended as I understand it will be in the Senate,

I don't wank Eo be a House member going ouE on a limb

for a Bill like this in its form when the Senate can

have easier row to hoe. So, I think ah... like some

of my okher colleagues on this side of the aisle that

' I1m uncertain at this point as to whekher or not I

ean support this Bi11.'1

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Grotberg.ll

Grotberg: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, ladies and genElemen

of the House. Would the sponsor yield for one short

question?''

Speaker Redmondk ''Indicates he willq''

Grotberg: ''Representative ah... what is khe minimum num-

ber of employees ah... that of... you have to have

in your firm before you must participate in the un-

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Giorgi: ''One person.''

Grotberg: ''Thank you. With that answer to my question:I

' may I address the Bill, Mr. Speaker and ladies and

gentlemen of the House.l'

Speaker Redmond: l'Proceed.'' ' !I

Grokberg: ''I believe that in... for reference purposes

only that the House should be aware that last night

in the area of public policy with public employees

. thak a Bill went out of this House that if enacted,

hàs the ultimate ah... cost to the State of Illinois

and to the taxpayers of significent millions of dol-

lars in the,days ahead. Now, today we are dealing

in the area of public policy with private employment

. and the benefits thereof of unemployment. Now, my

question and the question, the philosophical question

we must ask ourselves is, where does noney come from?

It's so simple. Money has to be generated by the

business and industry in this State. The State of

Illinois prints no money. Government has completely

unproductive.. There is nothipg in government that

generakes money, federal,,state: or local. It all

ultimately comes from business and industry starting

with the one man or the mama or papa store. I will 1et

othdra speak to thé .point of the 'large 'employers in this

State and the fact that we have lost l95 of them in

Ehe last Yeart but 1, for one, would like to address '

myself to the small bûsiness and industry of this jState. I happen to make a phone call this morning

to find out that with the grace of God in the small

business that I operate, we broke even in the month

of March. I have been fighting small deficits. I

have been trimming the sails; I have been doing every-2

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jthing possible except lay off 60 employees. Now, I

am within the 2% margin of staying alive in a small 1

town in Illinois for the Department to which I am 1( iresponsible. I submit to this House and to this Body

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that our obligation to the people of Illinois is to

keep a healthy climate so that we can generate money.1

We have a reasonable unemployment compensation pro-

gram now. Certainly. it may not be enough but business .

and industry was not created to pay for unemployment ' I

and it's created to pay for employment. Thank God, 1

1. in the words of the sponsor of this Bill, it looks

. like things are going to get better. As they do get

' betker, I would urge this Body to again rem-mher that

we are elected to come down here, not to spend the '

peoples money in the privake sector any more than

we are in the public seetor. Our job is to keep I1-linois healthy and that money only comes when it is

generated. Now, khe marginal businesses in this

. State, I can think of ak least 5,000 that I'm aware

of from published data, that are on a shoestring.

Qne way or the other and 2% is like 200% of, in any

increase in any formula that will chip away at the

opportunity to stay in busineBs today When We need

jobs worse than me need unemployment. It's almosta ridiculous concept and anyone who has ever had to

meet a payroll knows of all of these things that I'm'

speaking of. So khat, I would beg of you, plead with

you to let somebody make a buck in this State so we

can a11 get jobs and take approaeh rather than hapg

another albatross by virtue of this elective body a-

round the only energy that is left to the people of

the whole United States and let us only deal with I1-

linois. The opportunity to generate income through

a healthy, thriving business and industry in the State

of Illinois. Webve done everything else to kill that

and this could be the goose, er... khe straw that breaks. I

the camel's back. The goose thak breaks that camel's lback/ I thinkp would be more appropriate. So? I would

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private employment again and where money comes from.

There is no other money in the State of Illinois thak

exeepk w hat is generated by business and industry. We

. need help and we need jobs. We don'k need a moregenerous unemployment compensation program. thank youe''

' Speaker Redmond: ''Representakive Willer. Representative

Willer.fp

Willer: ''Mr. Speaker, I know I'm not quite as emharassed

to confess what I have to confess after listening to

my learned colleague, Glenn Schneider. Ah... I feel

exactly as he does. I was, I am eommitted to increasing

the benefits of unemployment compensation. I do not

understand enough about this Bill. There are two

' things I am against and itls, no waiting period and. . . jallowing a spouse to collect for, I mean, collect' benefits for her dependenks if the other spouse is

earning a good livingv But rhqt zeally perplexes' me? is' that tiere are too many questions unanswered. There

are koo many questions unanswered in my own mind..

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jI agree with Representative Schneider. I wish some-

thing could be done if it means waiting for an Anend-

ment in the Senate. Ah... I1m afraid I'm going to

have to vote 'presentl on this. Now it may be, as

the previous speaker said. This uil1 be the, it will

kill the goose that laid the golden pgg and this may

be the last straw. Unfortunately, I have heard this

for so many years from the same people about so .lmuch legislation that now maybe Ifm in the catekoryp

sort of in a position of thinking, are they crying

wolf once more? I don't want to hurt the little

businessman and I think Ehis may hurt them. It wonlt

hurt big industry, I don't believe. But, I would add

.. my request to Representative Schneider's that some-

body do something because I1m going to be put in a

position of voting 'presenk' on this Bill as it stands

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Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Gainesp''

Gaines: 1'Ah... It disturbs me when I hear people talk1about the fact khat there's no waiting period. We

have people that are working all their lives and a11

of a sudden they have no income and to meet their

bills which go to support the small businessman in

their district, these people need money and they donlt

need it next month. Their car will be gone. Their

house will be gone, then. They need it now, and with

administrative snafu's of this administrationr they

w1ll be lucky to get it in six or eight weeks. So,

youtre only penaliaing them extra when you have a one

week waiting period. And I also wish to address my-

self to the question about if a spouse is working.

ln this day of high prices, b0th spouses have to

' work in my district in order to meet the basic needs t

of the family. Ahd therefore, when you penalize

one spouse, you penalize the khole family and you

are... These are people who are working people and

they don'k want to be on any aid. Youpre going to

cause foreclosures. Youlre going to cause all Ehe .

evils Ehat you're krying to avoid if you donlt put

this Bill up because the people who are working, l

the laboring people in this country need help now.

They donlt need ik next monkh. We sit here. We're

safe. We have our salaries. But the people who

are working and have their salaries taken away from

' them, need help. And these are the little people

that we should be looking out for and you tell people

in the black community to pull themselves up by

their bootstraps and here you wank to take the boot-'..

straps away from them. So, what I'm saying is that

' vote for this Bill and you'll be helping more people

than you'll be hurting, khank you.'f

Speaker Redmond: 'lRepresentative Ryan.'g

Ryan: ''Ah... Mr. Speaker, I move khe previous question.''L- . - -

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Speaker Redmond: ''The gentleman has moved the previous

question. The question is shall the main questionI

be put. A11 those in favor vote 'ayel. Those op-

posed vote Ino'. I've been advised it's two-thirds

of those voting. Representative Hoffman, for what

purpose do you rise?l'

Hoffman: 'Thank you, Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen' of the House. I rise to explain my vote' on this

issue . ''

Speaker Redmond: ''A little previous, I believe. The

question is... Have a1l voted who wished? Have a11

voted who wished. The Clerk will take the record.

On this question there are 120 'ayesl, 17 'nol,

7 'presentl, 33 absent and the motion having re-

ceived the necessary majority is hereby declared' carried. Representative Giorgi to close.''

Giorgi: ''Mr. Speaker, yes. Just a moment. Ild like to,

just ah... someone just. listening to the debate, sentme a comparative ah... cable of unemployment compen- l

sation states and how we rank. At the present time,

on the minimum, the 67 dollar minimum, Colorado, '

Connecticut, Deleware, The District of Columbia?

New Jersey, Ohio and Pennsylvannia pay more than we

do. And the ah... and on families ah... Connecticuk

and Ohio pay more than we do, but ah... I know that

many of the members have sought me out personally.

They asked me what was in the Bill. I know that every

member on this House wants this Bill dispensed with. '

. Now, I Ehink that ah... Ilve had to live with this

Bill and I thlnk all of you know as much as I do about

it nowybut,Mr. Speaker, I'd like to yield to my co-spon-

sor, Mr. Hanahan, for a couple of remarks and then ah...

send the Bill up or down.''-

sgeaker Redmond: ',Mr. Hanahan to explain his votep'' .Hanahan: ''Speaker, I'm... as chief co-sponsor with Re- I

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membership of the House to know that this Bill...''

Speaker Rednond: ''The gentleman is explaining his Bill.

He hasnlt spoken before.''

Hanahan: PMr. Speaker, I am the chief co-sponso'r, hy-

phenated sponsorship with Representative Gio<gi and

we're closipg debate on House Bill 488. I would like

to close by saying that r m in support of, Rouse' Bill

488 in its entirety because welre not talking about

freeloaders, we're nok talking about people asking '

for a handout. Wedre talking about unemployed people

who want a job and want the job that theybre unem-ployed from. Wepre not talking about dolipg out

taxpayers money. Wedre not talking about people

who don't want to work. Anyone that doesn't want

to work thàt's collectipg unemployment compensation 1

and you know about it, you have an obligation to ob-

ject to it. Wegre talking about people who justlydeserve these? the benefits. The benefiEs that they

hàd given up in a sense of not asking for more wages

out of Ehe profits the company makes by demandipg

good unemployment compensation and a just revard ifthey are unemployed pgainst thèir will. We're not

talkipg about freeloaders. Welre not talkipg about

people who want a handout. When you talk about the

one wevk waiting period, youdre talking about people

who are jockeyed out of a job for a short period

of kime. That's somebody who could go an find another

job that are purposely unemployed by their employer

for a week or two just to change shiftsp just tochange or clean up their operation and put on an

unemployment role that will not be able to get that

unemployment benefit unless we eliminate the unem-

ployment waiting week because these people canlt go

and get a job someplacY else. There are no jobs avail-

able for those types of people .in a short period of

time. Nor does their employer truly want them to go y12 t'' '' '

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get another job. But theybre really beipg subjectedand in areas of steel mills especially. Where the

steel mill shuts down for a period of one week orl I

' two weeks. These people are put unjustly on unemploy- t 1'

jment and everyone knows they have no chance of unemploymeht

comp. You talk about the spoûse nok receiving, er... I

some people objecting to the spouse having equal rights. j 'on that . This is a: .vefy cohce#t T( ! ve: hdàrd time and'

jtime :gain, parrotted out here thàt we want equal

riqhts amendment. Webre talking about people who

should be treated individually as a wyge earner, not .

because theylre malep not because theylre female? ' l. k'

but because theypre unemployed and whether or not they

Isupport their dependents. That's one of the reasons.'

lAnd people who come here as conservatives and they'resayipg to me that thé economists are Wrong in re- .

batipg or giving back monvy to people who cannot '

go out and earn money. Well, let me tèll you then

you opght to talk to your President of the United

states and the conservative party of this United'

States thak Gerald Ford was at one time a part of.

Whén he prdlopged... when he said that he was...$'

Speaker Redmond: ''Youfre time is coming to a close,

Yi SZRSMZRY' 'Representa Ve

Hanâhan: ''He wanted to give money back and wedre goipg

to al1 receive rebates on our income tax. That's to'

' he concept of unem- Ispur the economy on and that s tployment compensation that keeps the economy going.

Not a dole, no6 a handout, buk a social just wage.''

speaker Redmond: ''Representative Telcser.'î

Telcser: ''Ah... Mr. Speaker, you were very gratuitous to

the proponents ot this Legislation by giving Represen- ,'

tative Hanahan a chance to ah... debate the issues'

of the Bill after we had moved the previous question. 1l'

jI wonder if you'd allow ah... an opponent to have a l

chance to get their licks in before we call for the lJ.. '-jizilgx.

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uestion.'' lq

Speaker Reo ond: 9'I understand that Representative

Hanahan was a sponsor . The chief co-sponsor of this

measure . Everybody will have an opportunity in the' 1

explanation of their vote. The question... the ques- '

tion is shall this Bill pass. Those in favor vote

taye'. Those opposed vote lnol. Have all voted who

wished? Representative Hoffman. Ron Hoffmanlf' IIRon Hoffman: I'Thank you, Mr. Speakerr ladies and gentle-

cen of the House. I rise to explain my vote. I had

' intended to speak on this, on thé oriqinal question,. ''''' ''''' ' !

but having worked in industry for 20 years, one of

the things I realize is Ehat in the last few years,

the trend in Illinois has been extremely unfavorable

' to having industry in Illinois. This Bill goes a long,

long way in driving out that which employs our people.

In the last four years, we have lost in the State of

Illinois, manufacturlng plants with 20 employees or. more to Ehe tune of a hundred and ninety-five manu-

facturing firms representing a hundred and eighty-

seven thousand jobs.that went to other States. Lastcalendar year, statistically, State of Illinois pop-

l tion has dropped forty thousand. We hav'e fortyu a'

thousand less people in the State of Illinois and if '

you check youlll find for those manufacturing firms. . l .that have left the State of Illinois, theybve done it

because they can't exist here anymore. One of the

previous speaker said, well it would hurt the little

erson. The liètle manuf actmring f irm, but it cer-P

tainly won ' t hurt the big corporaEion . Well , I beg

to differ. The biggest problem is with the large

manufacturing firm. They have such a high overhead

and such a high cost factor in this State now that

kheybre forced to move ouE and they are moving out.

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Unemployed. People who have no place to go gek jobs.' I asked everyone here, quit looking at industry as

that large being that can endure all legislation, pay. j :all taxes, solve a1l ills. employ a1l people and sus- ;

ltaln itself. Because it's nok going to do it, ladies :' ;

a*d gentlemen. WeVre driving it out ak a more rapidly 1-- I

increasing ratez year after year. And if we don't

watch the type of legislation that we implement in

this State. we're not going ko have 'that large being,

khat large entity to employ anybody. It wonft be.

Ihere and then what? These people Ehat are leavipg jthe State of Illinois, these are the ones that re- '

1Present your tax base. Your corporations represent I

' jyour tax base. You destroy kha'k and you won'k Tay the jv

'

jrevenue inko khe state of Illinois. So, before you j

I. cast any 'aye' vote on this Bill, consider what youhre . i

IIdoing to the litkle people, consider very care-. II

' fully. thank you.'' IISpeaker Redmond: ''Xepresentative Washington.l I

. I

Washington. ''Ah... Mr. Speaker, members of the House, khe

previous speaker ah... touched on a question which I .'

Iwanted to ask of the principal sponsorz Mr. Giorgi. '

; didn't have time and that question to me was the

only valid one that was brought up in whole debate.

And that was, ko what extenk, if at all, increase in'

tkaxes or other bennficial payments to the State orits workers. To what extent does that drive business

out of the State and if it does, where does lt drive

them to, I don't know. Mr. Hoffman says it drives

them to the soukh. It night well be that i: drives

them to a State with higher taxes. I donlt know, buk

I think the question is inter-related with a false

assumption and perhaps poor philosophy which is ema-

nating from the other side of the aisle. There seems

to be theory over there Ehat ah... the goose that

lays the golden egg is business. Thnre seems to be a. l I

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theory over there that wealth is generated by business.

Well, thatfs certainly contrary to al1 of my his-

torical and analytical powers to find out what's going

on. I was always on thé assumption that business '91 thrives in this State for two reasons

. Une, we have

the material wealth here. We are the industrial hub

of this qreat country. And two: an even more im-i

portant we have the skilled labor and khe labor re-

sources by which, which brings people here to cap-

, ikalize upon that skilled labor as a base here. I

donlt buy the foundation of that at all. I am greatly

disturbed by the philosophical confrontation khat I

find here. And Ehe philosophical confrontations

what itïs all about, really. There's a basic as-

supption that businesses will be driven out. That

has not been denonstrated. It ;as simply been said.

T would like to know those l84 businesses that lefk

here wâthin the last year or so, where they went,l

wh# they went there. It might well be that theylve

left here that they did it for other reasons. I

support this. I support this Bill for one very solid

reason. The social disorganization uhich has':come.

into our State within the last few years.pp'l

Speaker Redmond: HYour time is expiring, Representative

Washingtonm''

Washington: nis basically due to the fact that we have

unemployed or underemployed poorly paid people and 'I. 1

unless you address yourself to that question, which 'lseems to ne to'be paramount and supersedes anythlnq

we can talk about with business, your not going to

have a healthy climate for people to live in. Crime1

is on the upsweep. Violent crimez crime for economic f1l

in and moat of it stems from thd fact that people (îa!!are unemployed. Thatls the issue to address yourself '

to. The unemployment and the underemployment and it

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penses anyway to the poor taxpayer and the poor consumer, '

. it seems to me that business should be addressing it-

' self to the fundamental question of how best they

can increase these compensations for benefits to !Iworkers. I vote 9ayéI.$' II

Speaker Rednond: RRepresentative Campbellq/ I

Campbell: ''Mr. Speaker. ladies and gentlenen of the House,' ' '- ''*' ' . ''' ' j

. I would like to vote for some reasonable épproach l

to this problem, but I feel that this legislation '

488 is entirely too unrealistic and too far advanced.. l

More importantly, so far as this State is concerned, I1

I think we should concern ourselves with delivering I

the paychecks to those people that are now not em-

ployed and eligible to receive them rather than wor-

ryipg about what addition/ly theylre goipg to get'

.'': because it's a damn site more important that we get

those checks ko the people today that are nok now

gettipg them and who are eligible. I would also

like to say that thfs being too unreasonable, Abrahω

Lincoln said it a hundred years :go, that you can

not help the wage earner by tearipg down the wage

payer and I simply want to say to you that redraft 'I

it, come up with a realistic approach and then perhaps

we can gek this Bill passed. I vote 'no'.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Shea. Shea.''

Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House,' ' , j r

I voted for this and Itm somewhat shocked to watch fI ,some of my colleagues here on the floor in their votes.

When this Statq needed money to run, we voted a 44 '

tax on corporation. This isn't a 4% tax on corpora-

tions buE we voted for that because we said we needed

money to make government run. When we gbt in trouble

baek in '7l when we started to have a depressicn? we

put millions and millions and millions of dollars I

into public aid and put doles to people so they could

feed themselves. Nowr what wedre asking to do is to I

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69.give the wpge earner a chance when heïs puk out of

a job to get his money now to do away with the wait-

lng week and to have a chance to have a decent? decentI

standard of living when hels nnemployed. Well, thatI

wage earner you talk about this State, that w:ge

earner is the man that's payipg the tax. That incone

tax. You talk about a goose thàt's going to ah. . .

thatls going to kill the goose, if you donït start

lookipg after the wpge earners in this State, if

you don't skart lookipg after the working people

in this State, you will kill somethipg and I voke

' aye '' . 13 .

Speaker' Redmond: PRepresentative Borchers/'

Borchers: ''Mr. Speaker and fellow members of the House,

rlve been trying to find some facts and figures. I've' j' found one

. Now. this is based on EPA and on economic

condikions and this Bill portrays economic condi-

tions, obviously. There are 28 foundries that have

close; in Illinois in the last year due to economic 1

conditions and EPA. There are 153 ah. . . This is a

brochure ahu . a questionnaire sent out. A l53

factories ah... because of economic conditions and

EPA. I propose considering with those two statements,

that such a Bill will more adverselyv sericusly effect

the economic conditions of this State and the pos-

sibility of industry and ah... and ah. . . small business

continuihg to operate. So, I think we should think

very carefully what welre doing.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Represenkative Sangmeisterq'î

Sapgmeister: ''Wel1, look... In looking at the board ah. ..

apparently the Bill may be in Erouble and I donlt ex-

peck my explanation of vote is going to help one way

;- or another although khatdll probably f1y up there

when the Speaker calls for the final vote, but I've l

been hopipg as a Demoerat ah.xx that the sponsor of

khe Bill and thos ' ' &,1 r7 havekèk k.2 ......

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done something to bring this Bill into line so that

myself and other people could have supported khis

Bill and alkhough it was partially helped with le '

strike provision being kaken out the Bill was not

' put into a line that we could support it. Ah... I

am genuinely concerned, nok so much that business

is-going to leave Illinois because of this Bill? but

it's Bills like this that is going to discourage

businesses from coming in and I know full well that

this will probably be the worst political vote that

1:11 ever make this session. Buk one thing. ittll

be the best conscience voke that 1'11 ever make and .

that's what I've got to live and I voke 'nolo''

Speaker Redmondk 'ARepresentative Geo-Karis.'? .

Geo-Karis: ''Mr. Speaker and ladies and genklemen of the. j' the House: in explaining my vote I am deeply con- 1.

cerned of the long-reaching effedts of this Bill on

labor. l feel labor. khé good, conscienkious labor-

Iing man and woman are going to be deeply hurt by .

this B1ll in the long run. When you have the inter-

PreEakion of someone who's supporting a child being

llimited ko less than 1% and being allowed to col- '

leck unemployment compensation which will deplete

thé trust fund, no doubt the amount of 10 to l5%

- and if you... when you have a minimum requirement l'

h ou can make to 1.completely erased as to how muc yr

qualify for 26 weeks of unemployment, you are hurt- l

ing; the laboring man's krust fund and I regretfully '

have Eo vote 'present' because I am for labor to

work with business and I'm afraid labor's going '

. to be hurkm''

Speaker Redmondk ''Representative Tipsword.''

Tipsword: l'Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlenen, I'd' te. I think one thing is being 1like to explain my vo 1

overlooked in al1 of the discussions that I've heard

in regard to this Bill so far. And that is. what is 1t'';q 'kr'''-' ... ,'kx . o .. .

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7l.really going to happen with G e compensation that

is paid under this Bill. What is really going to

happen with it is, it's going to permik the working

man to conkinue to pay his house payment to the fi-

nancial institution from whbn he has borrowed that

money. Hels going to continue to be able to pay

something towards khe education of his children so

that those who are in the teaching profession will

continue ko be employed and so that we can continue

to be employed and so that we can continue to be-

nefit this country by having educated children.

He's golpg to continue to buy groceries at the qrocery

store. He's going to continue all of the necessi-'

j

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kles of life from all of the small businessmen in

thd eommunity ln which he lives. And they will there-

fore. continue to stay in business and to be able to

ah... make a profit in thé enterprise in which 'theylre

epgiced. Hels going ko continue to use this tö buy jl

thd 'product of industry thropghout this State and

through all of the States of this Union. So, I

think if we just look to where this money i& actually

going to go, lt's goipg ko provide a livelihood for

the workerls family. It's goipg to continue to pro-

vide him dignity in those times when he cannot work

and itls goipg to continue to insure that snall

business and industry and all of the okher areas

from which he must cönsume wilwl continue themselves

in a healthy state and I would suggest that this is

good, b0th for industry as well as for laborv''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Griesheimer, Griesheimer.''

Griesheimer: ''Thank You; Mr. Speaker. Ah.. . I also wish

to explain my vote on this. Kh.., for those of you

kho know my record, especially wikh the Chamber of

Commerce, you probably expect to see a flashing red

light up there. But I can't bripq myself Eo vote

that way on this Bill. I really felt that there

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needed, there was some very drastically needed

chanqe in the unemploynent conpensation field. Very

few, if any, of the people khak are presently for

it are even gettipg it in 30 days let alone 7 days. ItBuk I was mosk sympathetic with idea of doing away I!

I Iwikh this 7 day vaiting period. It s hard to ex-1

Plain to your children when they sit down to the I

dinner table and you haeve no food to serve them

thak yourre sitting out a 7 day waitipg period. I

talked to our local union in my own districi and 1' Ithey wanted Ehis abolished

. They also told me I

this was their principle interest to' abolish the

7 day waitipg period and ko have some form of rea-q'i

. sonable increase in the benefits which I also igreed '

with. But the reason I cannot vote tyes' on this... F . JBill

, is that the gluttonness attitude of the sponsors .

of this Bi1l is to take all or not kake ankthing atall and I think this is most unfortunate for the .

laboripg people. It's not the fault of labor. Itls

' not the fault of khe unions on this' matter. I think

ikls purely and simply the atkitude of the sponsors

on this Bill. I similiarly had M unemployment com- l. l' Penr

ation increase Bill up in Committee and Ehey 1killed this Bill in Committee on the theory they could

k

get so much more in their own Bill that they didn't'

need any other help from anybody else whether he be

a Republican or scmeone that has pro-business voting

recoxd as I have been. I think that this is very de-

testable to the laboring people who need help in this

area and I cannot vote for auch a Bill. I1m not .

going to vote 'nol because quite frankly our people .

# % 'in our area are too concerned abouk this for me to

turn my back on it. I hope theylll put this matter on

I .' postponed consideration and really go to work and offerus some lygitimate amendments to this Bill so it can

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Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Mannobl'

Mann: ''We1l? Mr., well, Mrv, Mr. Speaker.'?

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Mann.*

Mann: ''Wel1, Mr. Speaker and members of the House, IId

l'ike to explain my 'yes' vote. 1, too, rygard this

is as a conscience vote. I think the conscience in-

volved here is what will be the role .of g'overnment

when people? through no fault of their own, are unable

to sustain their family in terms of feeding, clothing ,

and housipg them. That'a the issue before this House, )

!

'

ladies and gentlemen and ûo matter how many diversionary

tactics or unique questions that are asked that have

been drafked by the ah... AoA or the Illinofs Chamber

of Commerce are asked. The real issue here is, what

will be the role of government in the time of need of

working people here in the State of Illinois. That'sl

the issue. I.lve sat herë for 12 years and I'm sick

and tired of hearing people teil me that every Bill. , t

that's proposed that will assist human beings to qet

alopg .better in our society is goipg tö drive business

out of the State. Corporatezprofits are at a record. 9The qross national prcduct of Cook County alone is I'

jbillion dollars. When F.E.P.C. came up, 'over 50

we were told it would drive business out of the Statev

When welve tried to improve workmen's compensation

laws, we were told that it would drive business out

of the State. When the question of a State Income

Tax cane up, we were told it would drive business out

of the SEate. ThaE's all fallacious. Ikls phony.-

)

'

It's untrue. It's highly speculative. Illinois has

one of the most hospitable and favorable climates for

biq and snall business of any State in the world. Face

iE, if you want to talk about conscience, what wedre

talkipg about is helping people gek over a very? very

serious and dffficult time in their lives and the lives

of their children. If you want to turn your back on l'k( sjh'r/''k ...tt o ..,4X ...u:.',, ..., G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y/ 4;.,i) :. '!.) svsvs ov ,uulpjojs( t ..k4, -ï

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74.

them: be honest about why youdre doing it. Be honest t

about ik. Don't rakionalize ik wlth a bunch of phony'

tstatistics. And I vote 'ayelt'' 1' Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Schraeder .'' 1

ISchraeder: ''Mr. speaker and members of the House, thisI

has been an agonizing month, six weeks. two months, $

whatever you want to call it. But I think most of. I

us have been faced with the problem of an iron-clad. k

eo-sponsor of this piece of legislation. It seems I

to me that if we are going to be responsible, that

we have to take a look e each piece of legislation1and determine whether ik's good legislation, mediocre ji

or bad. And I have determined afker having discussed )Ithis not many: with many businessmen, many labor f t

eople, many legislators and yet, almost every legi- ) IP. Islator had this on his mind constantly for the last

four weeks. And nowhere have I turned, have I found

the advocates ahd the, and particularly one co-sponsor

whom I will not mention. I think most of you knov/

who he is. Under no condition will he ever accept

an Amendment to any of his Bills because it kill tear tI

the Bill apart in his mind, but ladies and gentlemen,I think this Bill needs some correctlon. I can't sup-

port a Bill that is not in iks best form and I've

been ah... Over the years, I've served on both labor .

and management and I was business agent for eight years

and I represented khose people. I happen to think I

Qid a good job. I happen to be a small employer atthe presènt timq and I think I've furnished a pretty

qood employment situation for 13 employees. And I

say this legislation needs some correction and I'n

willing to skand up before my constituents next year '

in the face of threats from my labor people that if

I do not support this, I will not be supported in the

. next election. Ladies and gentlemen,.my conscience

will not let me take those kinds of threats. Ilm. ' kj ày )4' ' .

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goinq to vote 'nol against this Bill until we have

some amendments that improve it and make it a work-

able Bill. If I am subject to opposition in the next

election because of this vote, 1et it be that wayo'!

Speaker Redmond: ''Representakive Calvo.''

Calvo: ''Well, Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the

House, we hear a lot of talk about why industry leaves

Illinois and why the plants have closed and one of

the prior speakers said: well, itls EPA and itls the

economy. Yes, it's the economy, but let': see what

happens to the economy and what has happened to it.

And lek's look ak hiskory just a second. I Wasn't

born then, but my Dad told me about the great depres-

sion and he explained to me a little about it and he

said, you could buy a white shirk to wear for 10 cenks

and I said, gee, Dad that had .to be a great time.

I could, you know, I could buy a 1ot of shirks for

10 cents. ie said, you could nowr son; but you

couldn't have then because people weren't working and

people didnft have 10 cents and, by the way, they

didn't have unemployment compensation to pay them.

Now, if you kant to keep your plants and factories

and get this economy turned around: youlve got to

support legislation like this thatlll put the buying

power where itpll do the most good. zf people can't

buy products produced by these factorles, that's

when the factories close. When the people don't

have the buying power. This leéislakion Nill assist

the people. The people who are out will have enough

money to still buy food and clothes and products pro-

duced by this great industrial country of ours. And

I urge you to vote fyes' for this Bill because that

is what it takes to keep khe plants from closing and

turn the economy around is to have the buying power j

khere it works. In the individual wage earner. Let

me tell you one other thinv. We talk about... Could. . - : J:' -.. .

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76.

I have a little order: Mr. Speaker. 1,11 talk

quieter if they'll give me a liktle order.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Bring your remarks to a close, please.''

ICalvo: 9'1111 certainly do that and talk a little quieter. l. i

Mr. Speaker, I know of one plant khat closed and '!

khey said they elosed because of khe economy and EPA.

But I was very interested in seeing plant to continue .

to work as it employed a lok of people in my dis-

tric: and in my town. But you know why they closed? lThey hadn't sold one unit of their produck in 18

$.months. That's exactly why they closed. sop let's lII

not kid ourselves. You can blame EPA for its closinq. 1l

You can blame a lot of things for closing, but when lilthe sal

es aren't there, the goods that are being I Ifactured. Thak's when they close. So# letls 1 lmanu

.. ( 1.' vote laye' and get this economy moving and help the l ' I

l Ipeople that need the help the worse and will helpI$ !the economy the most

, the wage earners of this State.

Thank you.'' '

speaker Redmond: ''Representative Jones.''

11Mr. Speaker. menbers of the House, in explaining 6Jones:

my votee the extended debate on this Bill demonstratesl

what 'a complicated matter it is. Until a faw years '

ago, the unemployment compensation equation was worked '

out by a joint confe'rence committee of labor and in- i

idustry in what was called an Agreed Bill. It appears

to me that now is the time to return to the Agreed

lBill process for the benefit of a1l parties concerned,thank you.'t

speaker Redmond: lRepresentative Stubblefield.''

Stubblefield: ''Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of jlthe House, there's not much that hasn't been said on

each side of khe question, this morning, concerning

the passage of Bill 488 and 1111 try not to be redun- I) hdant and talk about things that have already been spoken ) Il !

to. But I think a few things deserve some attentionw' 1... p ';l k r LI''L..''t N n .(.. G E N yy R A j. A s g E M j) j. Y..-k, z't,::! r.m..z x. .:'' ' Qqza: ' 2'f '( L svs xs o e j uuf sjo, Nl : ....4 : . -lf'.î : . lt :-;&., c'n. . ..! souse oe aeeaessxvxvlvss. . . k/z,: . .u v . z. nxœ .

77. .

The opponents of this Bill would have us believe thak

unemployment eompensation is a gift of the employer.

I think theylre losing sight of the fact that every jdollar they have and every dollar that they contribute f !

Ifor unemployment compensation is a result of pro- 1

ductivity. None of which they make. That produc- 1.

'

jtivity eomes from the man in the blue jeans and the. 1

workshirt. The guy who makes khe chips on the ma-1

chine. It's not the employers thatls contributed to*

the State for the payment of unemploymenk compensa-

tion. It's contributed in work and sweat and men and

women who have worked in the plant and whols money

is held in escrow and paid into the government for

this source. I think we should also deal with the

questâon that has been raised that perhaps this should

be under a shared payment. Sharing the payment would

only increase the cost because the employer: in order

for the employee to give the money back as a... his

share must receive it from the employer and it would '

be taxed before they got it. And every dollar that ,

he gave baek would cost approximately a dollar and

twenty cents. The only one who would benefit from

that would be the Federal government. Let's talk a

little bit about the 'one week waiting period. Ob-

viously, members of this House don't know what itls

like to be poor and work in a plant and be off with-

out a paycheck and very few working people can af-

ford that week in which they reeeive no pay. Welre

not talking abouk a week in which khey delay the

payment, but weêre kalking about a veek of pay that

never comes in. And that cuts a hole in their family

budget at khe tune oftfifky, 1/52 for each such week.

Wedre talking about employment. The one week waiting

period encourages plants to frivilously close the

plank when otherwise they wouldnlt do so. And if you

donlt believe that, you talk to an individual who's

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represented employees from various plants that has

actually seen it happen. That one week when they

pay nothing, is an encouragment for them to close . .

the plant when otherwise they would not need to' do. !

so. We have been talking about an increase in pay- '

ment that khe opponents of this Bill sugqest are Eoo '

steep. There's been very liktle talk this morning . i' I

about years in vhich theré's been no increase at (''

. jall. There's been very little talk about whole ses- I

Isions when there's no increase in unemployment com- I

I' pensationp..'' I

' jSpeaker Redmond: HYou: kime has expired. Would you bring I

Iyour remarks to a close, please?'' !

iStubblefield: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And khere's II

been no discussion of the time where over a period !I'

of time ve have moved from a 33, er. .. two thirds Ih

per cent down to approximately 33 and-l.l/3 per cent. II

And now ik's just a case of the chickens coming home Il. ) $to roost,.ppicking up the payment that should have ' I

. !been made through the years.'' ' !lSpeaker Redmond: ''Representative.oo'' !

1Stupblef ield : ''I urge a I yes ' vote. '1 I. $Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Jacobsw'' 1

1Jacobs: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen 11

ii. 1 l .of the House, it s not dften that I rise to explain j

jlimy vote. But I just want to go back a few months .1t

It.i.ago when we sat in this assembly and raised our pay. jjRjWe thought We needed and we did need it

.

Now, we are 1now eonfronted with the unemployed. Think of it.

k.l' jThose are the people now that we have to help . Those

are the ones who really need it. We didnlt have this

much trouble passing our own pay increase. So4 let's 1be fair. Let's pass this Bill out, thank you.''

' Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Katz. ff

Katz: ''Ah... Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of the;

House. Ah... the board indicates that we are getting'q')-4 ;7s c E N E R x t

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79.

p ah... very close to passing a Bill that does impor- 1tant things for the working people of Illinois. Youiknow, they talk abouk a fellow earning almost as much'j . (on unemployment comp. as he does when he.is working. l

lWell, the fact of the matker is he eats as much'. His.

. . - tj expenses are the same. His household costs are theI same

. His mortqage is the same. His expenses eon-Itinue

. They talk abont providing that the fellow will

be paid the first week he's off during the waiting per-

iod. What's so terrible about khat? He eats as much

the first week as he does the second week and the

third week. His kids need the same kind of shoes.

His mortgage has to be paid in the same way. All of

these things are continx hg expenses that do have koIbe mek

. Our unemployment compensation system recog- l' nizes that and I hope we will give this boost here

to our economy and ko the working people of the State

by voting 'ayed.''

Speaker Redmond: t'VonBoeckmanr Representative VonBoeckman.''l

VonBoeckman: ''Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of;

the House, I've spenk some twenty Gome odd years in

labor movement. Ilm now with management of a lthe1: ' 1large firm. I went znto the personnel manager to

ask his opinion on this very issue. And he says it

would not hurt Ehe company one bit. So, I think

it's a myth to say that werre driving industry out

of Illinois. I think itls high time we helped the

unforkunatelpeople who are the working class. So,

therefore, I vote 'aye'.'

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Barnes. Barnes.''

Barnes: ''Thank you. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker and members of the Housez it seems to

me pretty clear that this, what welre voting on

here and now seems to be getting tough sledding. j

But I would like to remind some of the members of

the House that in a sense maybe we are involved in ''x,.. ykj ) ê L;' .J.jk ' - i ;) y G E x E R A L, A s s E M 1) t, v., s' - :j n..a. . ,

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80.1

some special legislation here. But it seens to me,

that this House is always involved in some manner

and some part of the sector of government and busi-

ness and private sector of this State of being in- I

volved in special legislation of some type. It. I

seems that just recently in the recent past, a fewweeks ago, we wa's involved in 'a debate concerning

the interest of the mortgage bankers and the banks

and savings ahd loans in this State as it relates

to the usury rate. And it seems that some of the'' .

same people that are opposing a small raise in the

unemployment compensation for working men and women

were some of the same fo<ces who were hollering the

loudest for the increase in the interest rates that

these working people will have to pay in the next

' year and a half or two years in this State.. If you

come to my 'district and see the number of houses that

are abandoned now because of khe downs, the hard

economic climate that welve been faced with in the '

1last couple of years because those mortgage paymentscould not be made. You would be willing to voke for

any increase possible to maintain those stable fa-' milies and Ehose stable communities so that we could

have the kind of upturn in the economy that we de-

sire in this State. I think you say on the one hand' that business must survive and then you say on the

(other hand we will not give the ah... unemployed l

people the opportunity to maintain themmhns until. l

that survival can come about. I think it's uncon-

scionable that we would vote in this manner on a

Bill that would help the working people and turn

around inijust the recent past and help people whodid not need our help in terms of raising the usu ry

rate in the fashion that we did. I vote laye' on this

Bill. I would hope that, at least, 12 more members

would reconsider whak they're doing and realize that.. . ék g....ïu. llpx-

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81.

there are more working people in this State than

there are susinessmen, thank youw''

Speaker Redmond: ''Have al1 voted who wished? Have all

voted who wished? Take the reeord. Representative

. Giorgi. on this question... You desire recognikion,

Representative Giorgi? Representative Giorgi.''

Giorgi: ''Mr. Speaker, after you take the record I1d

like a poll of the absentees. Ah... continue.''

Speaker Redmond: f'Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this

question there are 81 'ayesl, 65 fnosf. 17 êpresent'.

The Bill having failed to receive... Representative

Giorgi.''

Giorgi: ''I'd like a poll of the absentees, sir. Before

. you announce the roll eall.''

Speaker Redmond: ''The gentleman has requested a poll of'

the absentees.''

O'Brien: ''Capparelli, Ewell, Fleck. Garmisa, Hirschfeld,

Keller, Kosinski, Kozubowski, McGrew, Schneider,

Stone, Terzich, Mr. Speaker.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Mr. Speaker lpresent'. Further...

On this question there are 81 layel, 65 'no'p

17 Ipresentl and 14 absent. The Bill having failed

to xeceive the Constitutional majority is hereby

declared passed, lost rather. Resolutions. Re-

presentative Schlickman, for what purpose do you

rise.''

Schlickman: l'Mr. Speaker, having voted on the prevailing

side, I move that we reconsider the vote by which

House Bill 488 was declared lost.''

Speaker Redmond: l'Representative Duffo''

Duff: ''Mr. Speaker, move that motion lie on the tablep''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Schlickman has moved that

the vote by which House Bill 488 lost be reconsidered.

)

'

Representative Duff has moved that motion lie on the j

Eable. Al1 those in favor vote 'ayel. I think Welll

have... There's five members that want a roll call so.

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nk welll have a roll calk vote. All in favor t .

f the motion to lie it on the table. The motion ' s lo

been withdrawn. Resolutions.''

O'Brienz ''House Resolution 209, Ke11Y. %ouse Resolution , ;

210, Molloy. House Resolution 212, Mann. House

Resolution 213, Mann. House Resolution 214, Porter. I

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Giorgi, Giorgi. Re-

presentative Giorgi.''

Giorgi: ''Mr. Speaker, ah... House Resolution is from

q' Representative Kelly on the golden anniversary of

the Midlothian Fire Department. House Resolution

2l0 honors Theodore A. Meyer on his 101st birthday.

House Resolution 2l2 by Mann honors Ms. Ginger Mack l

of Chicago. House Resolution 2l3 by Mann hcnorsj

Mr. Paul Berger of Chicago and House Bill 214 honors

ah... Connie Reif. I move the adoption of the Agreed

Resolutions.l'

Speaker Redmond: ''The gentleman has moved the adoption

of the Resolutlons. A11 in favor of the adoptionlindicate by saying 'ayel; oppose Inol. The Resolu- !

tions are adopted. Death Resolutions.''

OlBrien: ''House Resolution 202: Tuerk. To respect the l

memory of the former State Senator Carl M. Behrman.

House Resolution 204, Taylor. With respect Eo the

memory of Mr. John M. Bailey. House Resolution 211, )

lMcpartlin. With respect to the memory of Dr. Percy I

Julian.''

''Representative Giorgi has mobved the 'Speaker Redmond: ladoption of the Death Resolutions. All in favor in- l

dicate by saying layel; opposed 'nol. The Death

Resolutions are adopted. Representative Sheaa'' 1Shea: BMr. Speaker, I move that the House do now stand in J1t

recess for 5 minutes that the Clerk then be allowed to read

in messages from Ge Senate and House Bills? First$

Reading and then we do adjourn until tomorrow morning (I,' !at 11:15.

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speaker Redmond: ''Representative Molloy. Representative

Molloy: Molloy.''

Molloy: ''Before you entertain the motion of khe Majority 'I

Leader as the sponsor, I would ask leave of the House 1I

at the present time to table House Bill 774.1'. !

Speaker Redmond: ''The gentleman asked leave to tableI

House Bill 774. Is that the number. Does he haveI

leave? He not only has leave but a gold star. 774. !

House Bill 774 is tabled. Representative och:eidlr

Schneider: ''I'd like to just announce very quickly to lI

the members of Elementary and Secondary Education that I

i11 be meeting at 2:45 ah... Take time for lunch 1we w1

and khen webll work until we clear our load ah... that i!

is before us this afternoona''I

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Mudd.?

. IMudd: 'Ah .. . yes, Mr. Speaker. I would ah... respect-

fully request that since there are so many Bills !. !

posted before the different Commitkees that the aids 'I

and Chairmans insure those that are going to testify

and appear at those Committees that those Bills will

be printed and available for those Committee Meetings. 11W

e had a little problem this morning and I hope that #

ah... by early tomorrow morning in some of the other

meetings that this will be corrected and those Bills

will be printed and available.''

Speaker Redmond:. ORepresentative Mudde I believe that

most of the Bills are printed. Representative...

Well, 1et me finish this and if they aren't in the

Bill room, theylre available over in Ge armory. Soz

if you'd send an aid over there a page over there... '

Represenkakive Leon. Representative Leon.''

. Leon: ''Ah... Mr. Speaker and ladies and geitlemen of the l

House, Banks, Savings and Loan Committee will meet;

at, promptly as possible. We will have a floor full 1I

of wltnesses and I think it's only fair to them that 11 .we get there and give them a proper hearing for the

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Bills Ehat they're interested in. I1d appreclate

the members of the Committee reporting promptly,

thank you.''

Speaker Redmond: 'RRepresentative Mccourt.''

Mccourt: ''Ah... Mr. Speaker, may I have leave of the

House to table ah... House Bill 698 which I'm the

sponsor.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Any objeckion? Leave granted. The

Bill ls tabled. Represenkative Schislerw''

Schisler: :1Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen, I'd

like to announce for the benefit of many members who

have Resolutions of all kinds before the Executive

Committee that the Executive Committee, Resolutions

Sub-committee will be neeting tomorrow morning at*8 o'clock in Room D3. Now, this is not one of our

regular hearing rooms. D3 is in the West wing at

the North end of the State Capitol Building and what

would be a ah... a conference room in khe center of

some offices on the second floor. But itls on the 1

first floor, Room D3 Which is just West of our

regular hearing Room D1 on the State Office Building il

at V o'clock in the morning and we're going to take $those Resolutions in the order thak the sponsors

of the Resolutions show up. And wefll do it as ra-

pidly as possible.''

speaker Redmond: ''Representative Lechowicz.''

Lechowicz: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentle- I

men of the House. Just in the matter of announeements?

Appropriations I will be meeting Eomorrow morning at

8 olclock in Room 114. Appropriations 11 will be

meeting in Room 118 at 8 o'clock in the morning. I

would ask that the Democratic members of Appropriations

I meet with me tomorrow morning at 7:30 in 512. Welll

go over the Bills, if there's any question. If not,

we'll meek you at 8 o'clock in the morning, thank you.l' 1

speaker Redmond: ''Representative Shea. Representative. . . y .ky. ....' x;i 'i 7) x .

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Fennessey: firsto''

Fennessey: ''Elections Committee will meet immediately

after adjournment in 122A.11

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Sheaw''

Sheal ''I renew my motion on adjournment.''

Speaker Redmond: NThe question is on the motion to recess

for five minutes and then adjourn. A11 in favor of

the motion indicate by saying 'ayel; opposed 'not. The

'ayes' have it. The motion's carried. Messages from

the Senate.''

O'Brien: ''A message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Sec-I

retary. Mr. Speaker: I am directed ko inform the House l

of Representatives that the Senake has concurred with

the House of Represenkatives khe passage of the Bill

of the following title, to wit. House Bill 639, to-

get er with Amendments théreko, passed by the fenate as '

amended April 22, 1975, Xenneth Wright, Secrekary.'g

Speaker Redmond: ''Committee Reportso''

OlBrien: ''Mr. Schneider from the Committee on Elementary 1.. land Seeondary Educatiqp to which House Bill 502 was 'lreferred; reported the same back pursuant to Rule 1

1I 123D was ordered tabled

. Mr. Schneider from the Commit- II

tee on Elementary and Secondary Education to which !

House Bill 520 and 744 were referred; reported the 1 -same back with amendments thereto with the recommenda- lion that the amendments be adopted and the Bills as It

Iamended do not pass. Mr. Schneider from the Committee ii 1

.on Elementary and Secondary Education to which House 1

Bill 438, 647, and 675 were referred; reporked the'' j .

same back with amendments thereto with the recommenda- lj

tion the amendments be adopted and the Bills as amended ,

do pass. Mr. Taylor from the Committee on Cikies and ,l .

Villages to which House Bill 615 and 797 were referredj flreported the same back with the recommendakion that the tlBills do not pass. Mr. Taylar from the Committee on

ICities and Villages to which House Bill 573 was referred;. J

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reported the same back with khe recommendation that

the Bill do pass. Mr. Taylor from the Comùittee on

Cities and Villages to which House Bill 506 was referred; I

reported the same back with the recommendation that. I

the Bill do pass. Mr. Taylor from the Committee oni

Cities and Villages to which House Bill 554, 697, and

1284 were referred; reported the same back with amend-

ments thereto kith the recommendation that the amendments

be adopted and the Bills as amended do pass. Mr. Taylor

from the Committee on Cities and Villages to which:

Senate Bill 44 was referred; reported the same back wikh' Iamendments thereto that the amendments be adopted and

!the Bill as amended do pass. Mr. Matijekich from the j

Executive Committee to which House Bill 609 and 610 I

. were referred; reported the same back with the recomv

menoation that the Bills do pass and be re-referred to ! I

the Committee o'n Assignment of Bills. Mrs. Chapman from 1

the Committee on Human Resources to which House Bills. ( I

612. 618 and 824 were referred; reported the same back ! .

. twith amendments thereto with the recommendation that. !

the amendments be adopted and the Bills as amended do ' 'l

pass. Mrs. Chapman from the Committee on Human Resources I. .. ( I

I ito khich House Bills 682, 737, 758, 870, 939, and 983. 1

' were referred; reported the same back with the recom- I' Fe ndation that the Bills do pass. Consent Calendar.

Mrs. Chapman from the Commitkee on Human Resources tol .

which House Bill 607: 780 and 985 were referred; reported 1,'

!the same back kith amendmenks thereto with the recom-mendation that the amendments be adopted and the Bills

as amended do pass. consent calendar. Mrs. chapman

krom the committee on Human Resources to which House 1. Bills 794 and 817 were referred; reported the same back I

with the recomMendation that the Bills do not pass. Mrs.

Chapman from the Committee on Human Resources to which

ills 74l and 984 were r'eferred; reported the @, House B 1

same back with the reeommendation that Ehe Bills do pass.

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Mrs. Chapman from the Comnittee on Human Resources

to which was referred House Joint Resolution #5; re-

ported khe same back with the recommendation that the

Resolution be adopted. Mrs... Mr. Diprima from the

Committee oh Veterans hffairs, Registration and Reg-

ulation to which House Bills l3, 14, 15, 148, 156,

500: 583, 616, 1433 and 1436 were referred; reported

the same back with amendments thereto with the recom-:i . mendation that the amendments be adopted and the Bills

as amended Go pass. Mr. Diprima from the Gommittee

on Veterans Affairs, Registration and Regulation to

whieh House Bill 551 was referred; reported the same

back with amendments thereto with the recommendation

the amendments be adopted and the Bill as amended do

not pass. Mr. Diprima from the Committee on Veterans

Affairs, Registration and Regulation ko which House '

Bills 693, 759, 820, 822 and 823 were referred; re-

ported the same back with the recommendation that the

Bills do pass. Consent Calendar. Mr. Diprima from

the Committee on Veterans Affairs, RegistrationNand

Regulation Eo which House Bills 968, 969, 1427, 1428, .

l1429, 1430, 1431, 1432, 1434 and 1435 were referred;!. reported the same bqck with the recommendation that

the Bills do pass. Mr. Diprima from the Commiktee on

' Vekerans Affairs, Registratâon and Regulation to which

House Bills 2728 and 588 were referred; recommended

the Bills be assigned to interim study calendar. Mr. .

Diprima from the Veterans Affairs, Registration and

Regulation to which was referred House Resolution 122)

reported the same back with the recommendation thak

the Resolution be adopted. Mr. Schneider from the

Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education to

whiah House Bills 493, 992 and 1066 were referred; re-

ported the same back with the recommendation that khe

Bills do pass. Mr. Schneider from the Committee on

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Bill 70 was referred; reported the same back with the l I

recommendation that the Bill do pass. Mr. Matijevich !I

from the Committee on Executive to which House Bill Il1391 was referred; reported the same back with amendv 1 ;

ments thereto with khe recommendation that the amend- 'l

ments be adopted and the Bill as amended do pass. In-

troduction of First Reading.''ISpeaker Redmond: ''Introduction First Reading.''

OlBrien: ''House Bill 2964, Yourell. A Bill for an Act to!

amend Sections of an Act concerning land titles. First

Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2965, Younge. A

Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the South- jwest Reg.ional Port District. First Reading of the

Bill. House Bill 2966, Younge. A Bill for an Act' making an appropriation to the Depressed Area Land Use

and Community Developement Authority. First Reading of

the Bill. House Bill 2967, Geo-Karis. A Bill for an

Act to amend Sections of an Act creating the Illinois' ' j

Energy Resource Commission. First Reading of the Bill.

House Bill 2968, Katz. A Bill for an Act to conform

various Acts to the Conskitution. First Reading of

the Bill. House Bill 2969, Palmer. A Bill for an Act

making an appropriation ko the Chicago-Rock Island

Pacific Railroad Company. First Reading of the Bill.

House Bill 2970, E.M. Barnes. A Bill for an Act making

an appropriation to the State Compensation for services j- 1

rendered to the State. First Reading of the Bill. l' House Bi11 2971, Berman. A Bill for an Act makfng an

appropriation to. the State Board of Education. First j

Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2972: Tuerk. A Bill

for an Act making an appropriation to the State Boardlof Education. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill

2973, Deuster. A Bill for an Act to create the Chaln lO'Lakes, Fox River Authority. First Reading of the (

1Bill. House Bill 2974, Deuster. A Bill for an Act to '

amend the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House l' l 1 ï 7--.. xk 1 rzys . x.. z 1t. . z .'( y-yjoe<vr G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Yf ? ''''iz : k . . ,

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Bill 2975, Catania. A Bill for an Act to amend the

Illinois Income Tax Act. First Reading of the Bill.

House Bill 2976, Tokten. A Bill for an Act to amendII Sections of the Public Aid Code. First Reading of theII Bill. House Bill 2977, Totten. A Bill for an Act toII amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. First Reading of

j the Bill. House Bill 2978, Totten. A Bill for anAct to amend the Public Aid Code. First Reading of

the Bill. House Bill 2979, Totten. A Bill for an Ack

ko amend thé Public Aid Code. Pirst Reading of the

Bi11. House Bill 2980, Totten. A Bill for an Act to

amend the Public Aid Code. Eirst Reading of the Bill.

House Bill 2981: Tokken. A Bill for an AcE to amend

the Public Aid Code. First Reading of the Bill. House

Bill 2982, Totten. A Bill for an Act to amend the

Public Aid Code. First Reading of the Dill. House Bill

2983, Totten. A Bill for an Act to amend the Public

Aid Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2984,

Totten. A Bill for an Act to amend the Public Aid

Code. rirs: Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2985:

Emil Jones. A Bill for an Act to provide for khe or-

dinary contingenk expense of the Governor's AcEion

Office. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2986,

Lundy. A Bill for an Act making an appropriatlon to

the Secretary of State. Pirst Reading of the Bi11. House l

Bill 2987, Shea. A Bill for an Act making an appro-

Priation to the ordinary contingent expense of the .

State Board of Elections. First Reading of the Bill.

House Bill 2988, Committee on Elections. A Bill for

an Act to amend the Election Code. First Reading of

the Bill. House Bill 2989, Hanahan. A Bill for an

Act to provide for the ordinary contingent expense of

the State Board of Education. First Reading of the

Bill. House Bill 2990, Epton. A Bill for an Act to

amend an Act to regulate the practice of dental surgery

and dentistry in the Stake of Illinois. Eirst Reading !I. ' ;' i r-'' ' ..' Iki Jk '''

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of the Bi11.''

Sgeaker Redmond: ''Senate Bills, First Readingvt'

O'Brien: ''Senate Bill 146, Waddell. A Bill for an Act

to amend the Election Code. First Reading of the Bill.

Senate Bill 167, Macdonald. A Bill for an Act to

amend the Sciool Code. First Readïng of the B11l.Senate Bf1l 200, Kane. A Bill for an Act to amend an

Act in relation to meetings. Firsk Readipg of the Bill.

Senate Bill 283, Beatty. A Bill for an Act creating

the Local Government Tax Study Commission. First Read-

ing of the Bill. Senate Bill 292, Dyer. A Bill for

an Act to promfde for the ordinary contingent expense

for children. First Reading of the Di11. Senate Bill l298, Schlickman. A Bill for an Act to amend the I1-

linois Public Library District Act. First Reading of

khe Bill. Senate Bill 299, Schlickman. A Bill for

an Act to amend the Publfc Library District Act. First

Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 332, Sharp. A Bill

for an Act to amend the Municipal Code. First Reading

of the Bill. Senate Bill 351, Kelly. A Bill for an

Act to amend an Act for the ah... assessment taxation

of private car-line companies. First Reading of the

B1ll. Senake Bill 368. A Bill for an Act to amend

Sections of an Act to revfse the 1aw in relation to

Township Organizations. Carroll is the sponsor on that.

House Bill 385, Sevcik. A Bill for an Act to amend

an Act to provide for the ordinary contingent expense

of th& Illinois Investigation Commission. First Reading

ôf the Bill. senate B1ll 420, E.M. Barnes. A Bill

for an Act to amend Sections of au Act making an appro-

priation to the Board of Governors of State Colleges and

Universities. PirAt Reading of the Bill. Senake Bill

426, Meyer. A Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an

Act to provide for the ordinary conkfngent expense of

:he Department of Agriculture. First Reading of the

: Bill. Senate Bill 431, Pouncey. A Bill for an Act

. . .. k L Krkl''p,;..slllhcjrm ee', G E N E R A t, . A S S E 51 B la Y ,- f'k'v-vk-? rk ,tï sxavc os puu,so's: t oyt ..g -y'. l I / r. . p ? s o u s q o F a E p p p; s y: N 'T'A T j V E7 sN. . J;& .,.. .,, ' : .xe.

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Jmaking a supplemental appropriation to the ordinary ,

contingent expense for the Board of Vocation, Education, /Rehabilitation. rirst Reading of the Bill. Senate (Bill 455: Sangmeister. A Bill for an Act to amend

Sections of an Act to provide for the ordinary contin-

genk expense to the Bureau of the Budget. First Read-

ing of the Bill. Senate Bill 513, Davis. A Bill for

an ' Act making a supplemental appropriation to the

fair Employment Practice Commission. First Reading

of the Bill. Senate Bill 631, Brummet. A Bill $or an

Act to testore excess righks in Madison County. First 4' jReading of Ehe Bill.'' '

speaker Redmond: ''No further business, therefore, the

House stands adjourned until 11:15 tomorrowv'' p' . j

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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

SEVENTY-NINTH GENERAL ASSEAOLY

EORTY-SEVENTH LEGISLATIVE DAY

APRIL 22# 1975 . l

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