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NFPA Technical Committee on Garages and Parking Structures (GAR-AAA)

NFPA 88A PRE-FIRST DRAFT MEETING AGENDA (A2022)

Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 8:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. AND Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 8:00 a.m. -1:00 p.m. (Eastern)

Embassy Suites Fort Lauderdale 1100 Southeast 17th Street Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316

1. Call to Order. Call meeting to order by Michael E. Carsillo at 8:00 a.m. Easternon Tuesday, January 14, 2020.

2. Chairman’s Remarks. Michael E. Carsillo.

3. Staff Liaison Remarks. Kevin Carr.

4. Self-Introduction of Committee Members and Guests. For a currentcommittee roster, see page 2.

5. PowerPoint Presentation. Review of the A2022 Revision Cycle and Pre-FirstDraft Meeting Procedures, see page 5.

6. Approval of Prior Meeting Minutes. Approve the September 19, 2019 Pre-FirstDraft Planning/Teleconference Meeting Minutes, see page 23.

7. Review of NFPA 88A Task Group Reports.

8. Review of NFPA 88A Possible Topics For Consideration.

9. Other Business.

10. Finalize Task Group Assignments.

11. Future Meetings.

12. Adjournment.

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Address List No PhoneGarages and Parking Structures GAR-AAA

Kevin Carr12/05/2019

GAR-AAA

Michael E. Carsillo

ChairInternational Fire Marshals Association (IFMA)12890 Touchstone PlacePalm Beach Gardens, FL 33418

E 07/14/2004GAR-AAA

Cecil Bilbo, Jr.

PrincipalAcademy of Fire Sprinkler Technology, Inc.301 North Neil Street, Suite 423Champaign, IL 61820-3170National Fire Sprinkler AssociationAlternate: Peter T. Schwab

M 07/29/2013

GAR-AAA

Hubert Biteau

PrincipalExponent, Inc.3500 Peachtree Road NE, Suite 1125Atlanta, GA 30326

SE 08/08/2019GAR-AAA

Joseph E. Caldwell

PrincipalAECOM10 South Jefferson Street, Suite 1600Roanoke, VA 24011-1333Alternate: John M. Breen

SE 03/05/2012

GAR-AAA

Daniel A. Dahl

PrincipalMorrison Hershfield Corporation1455 Lincoln Parkway, Suite 500Atlanta, GA 30346

SE 7/19/2002GAR-AAA

Juan Carlos Fernandez

PrincipalMiami Dade Fire Rescue Department9300 NW 41st StreetDoral, FL 33178

E 08/17/2017

GAR-AAA

William Stephen Flannery

PrincipalElevator Constructors Local 4 Boston50 Park StreetDorchester, MA 02122

SE 12/06/2017GAR-AAA

Thomas J. Forsythe

PrincipalJENSEN HUGHES2950 Buskirk AvenueSuite 225Walnut Creek, CA 94597-8862JENSEN HUGHESAlternate: Patrick C. Ward

SE 1/1/1995

GAR-AAA

James W. Gaut

PrincipalMarriott Vacations Worldwide11667 Acosta AvenueOrlando, FL 32836-8821

U 12/08/2015GAR-AAA

Gerhard Haag

PrincipalRobotic Parking Systems Inc.12812 North 60th StreetClearwater, FL 33760

M 3/21/2006

GAR-AAA

Eric J. Hall

PrincipalCity of Des PeresDepartment of Public Safety1000 North Ballas RoadDes Peres, MO 63131

E 1/14/2005GAR-AAA

Michael E. Hudkins

PrincipalHillsborough County Fire RescueFire Prevention Division4523 New Dawn CourtLutz, FL 33558

E 08/17/2017

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GAR-AAA

Jonathan Humble

PrincipalAmerican Iron and Steel InstituteNortheast Regional Office45 South Main Street, Suite 312West Hartford, CT 06107-2402American Iron and Steel InstituteAlternate: Farid Alfawakhiri

M 12/08/2015GAR-AAA

Jeffery P. McBride

PrincipalEBL Engineers, LLCEBL Fire Engineering8005 Harford RoadBaltimore, MD 21234-5701Alternate: Edward M. Fraczkowski

SE 9/30/2004

GAR-AAA

Jeannene Yvonne Meisman

PrincipalJohnson Controls813 Delmar Way, #408Delray Beach, FL 33483

M 12/06/2017GAR-AAA

David A. Moore, Jr.

PrincipalGlendale Fire Department30 Village SquareGlendale, OH 45246

E 10/3/2002

GAR-AAA

Somnath Mukherjee

PrincipalPort Authority of New York & New JerseySenior Engineer4 World Trade Center, 21st FloorNewark, NJ 07102

U 7/29/2005GAR-AAA

John Saavedra

PrincipalBiotecktaCr 15 # 91-30 Piso 4Bogota, CUND 101101 Colombia

SE 04/03/2019

GAR-AAA

Max R. Schmidt

PrincipalInstituto Nacional De Protección Contra El FuegoCamino Viejo A Mixcoac 18 Bis 3San Bartolo AmeyalcoMexico, MX 01800 Mexico

IM 12/06/2017GAR-AAA

William Sudah

PrincipalHoneywell4775 Collins Avenue, Suite 3206Miami Beach, FL 33140

M 12/07/2018

GAR-AAA

John Anthony Whaling

PrincipalProtectowire Company, Inc.60 Washington StreetPembroke, MA 02359

M 08/03/2016GAR-AAA

Keith Woller

PrincipalUA Sprinkler Fitters Local 6697050 Oakland Mills Road, Suite 200Columbia, MA 21046

L 08/17/2017

GAR-AAA

Farid Alfawakhiri

AlternateAmerican Iron and Steel Institute380 Cottonwood LaneNaperville, IL 60540-5020American Iron and Steel InstitutePrincipal: Jonathan Humble

M 12/08/2015GAR-AAA

John M. Breen

AlternateAECOM10 South Jefferson StreetSuite 1600Roanoke, VA 24011-1333Principal: Joseph E. Caldwell

SE 04/08/2015

GAR-AAA

Edward M. Fraczkowski

AlternateEBL Engineers, LLCEBL Fire Engineering8005 Harford RoadBaltimore, MD 21234-5701Principal: Jeffery P. McBride

SE 9/30/2004GAR-AAA

Peter T. Schwab

AlternateWayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.222 Capitol CourtOcoee, FL 34761-3033National Fire Sprinkler AssociationPrincipal: Cecil Bilbo, Jr.

M 08/03/2016




GAR-AAA

Patrick C. Ward

AlternateJENSEN HUGHES5000 Executive Parkway, Suite 340San Ramon, CA 94583JENSEN HUGHESPrincipal: Thomas J. Forsythe

SE 7/19/2002GAR-AAA

Kevin Carr

Staff LiaisonNational Fire Protection AssociationOne Batterymarch ParkQuincy, MA 02169

4/19/2018


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• Please verify/update your contact information on roster attached to sign-in list.

• Members categorized in any interest category who have been retained to represent the interests of ANOTHER interest category (with respect to issues addressed by the TC) shall declare those interests to the committee and refrain from voting on those issues throughout the process.


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• All guests are required to sign in and identify their affiliations.

• Participation is limited to TC members or those individuals who have previously requested time to address the committee.

• Participation by other guests is permitted at the Chair’s discretion.


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• Use of audio recorders or other meanscapable of reproducing verbatimtranscriptions of this meeting is notpermitted.


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Annual 2022 Revision Cycle – Key Dates• Pre First Draft Meeting: January 14-15, 2020• Public Input Closing Date: June 30, 2020• Public Input Stage (First Draft):

First Draft Meeting: TBD August/September 2020? Posting of First Draft for Balloting Date: January 26, 2021 Posting of First Draft for Public Comment: March 2, 2021

• Comment Stage (Second Draft): Public Comment Closing Date: May 11, 2021 Second Draft Meeting Period: TBD July/August 2021? Posting of Second Draft for Balloting Date: December 21, 2021 Posting of Second Draft for NITMAM: January 25, 2022

• Tech Session Preparation: NITMAM Closing Date: February 22, 2022 NITMAM / CAM Posting Date: April 5, 2022 NFPA Technical Meeting: TBD June 2022? Standards Council Issuance: TBD August 2022? Issuance of Documents with CAM: TBD August 2022?


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• Follow Robert’s Rules of Order.


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• Member addresses the chair.

• Receives recognition from the chair.


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• Calls for discussion.

• Ensures all issues have been heard.


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• Review possible topics for consideration (see spreadsheet).

• Formation of Task Groups to report back to the TC at the First Draft Meeting.


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• Must comply with state and federal antitrust laws

• Participants are to conduct themselves in strictaccordance with these laws

• Read and understand NFPA’s Antitrust Policywhich can be accessed at nfpa.org/regs


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• Participants must avoid any conduct, conversation or agreement that would constitute an unreasonable restraint of trade

• Conversation topics that are off limits include: Profit, margin, or cost data Prices, rates, or fees Selection, division or allocation of sales territories, markets or

customers Refusal to deal with a specific business entity


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• NFPA’s standards development activities are based on openness,honesty, fairness and balance

• Participants must adhere to the Regulations Governing theDevelopment of NFPA Standards and the Guide for the Conductof Participants in the NFPA Standards Development Processwhich can accessed at nfpa.org/regs

• Follow guidance and direction from your employer or otherorganization you may represent


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• Manner is which standards development activity is conducted can be important

• The Guide of Conduct requires standards development activity to be conducted with openness, honesty and in good faith

• Participants are not entitled to speak on behalf of NFPA• Participants must take appropriate steps to ensure their statements

whether written or oral and regardless of the setting, are portrayed as personal opinions, not the position of NFPA

• Be sure to ask questions if you have them


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• Disclosures of essential patent claims should be made by the patent holder

• Patent disclosures should be made early in the process• Others may also notify NFPA if they believe that a proposed or existing

NFPA standard includes an essential patent claim• NFPA has adopted and follows ANSI’s Patent Policy • It is the obligation of each participant to read and understand NFPA’s

Patent Policy which can accessed at nfpa.org/regs


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TC Struggles with an Issue

•TC needs data on a new technology or emerging issue

•Two opposing views on an issue with no real data

•Data presented is not trusted by committee

Code Fund Lends a Hand

•TC rep and/or staff liaison submits a Code Fund Request

•Requests are reviewed by a Panel and chosen based on need / feasibility

Research Project Carried Out

•Funding for project is provided by the Code Fund and/or industry sponsors

•Project is completed and data is available to TC

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Document Information Pages

About

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• Latest codes andstandards news on NFPAToday blog feed

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Current and Previous Editions

• Issued TIAs, FIs, Errata• Archived revisioninformation such asmeeting and ballotinformation, First DraftReports (previouslyROPs), Second DraftReports (previouslyROCs), and StandardsCouncil and NITMAMinformation

Next Edition

• Revision cycle schedule• Posting & closing dates• Submit publicinput/comments viaelectronic submissionsystem.

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• NITMAM information• Standard CouncilDecisions

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• Committee list withprivate information

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Questions?

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Protection-Research-Foundation


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Technical Committee on Garages and Parking Structures (GAR-AAA)

NFPA 88A PRE-FIRST DRAFT REVIEW MEETING MINUTES

Thursday, September 19, 2019 Teleconference Meeting

1. Call to Order. The meeting was called to order at 1:05 p.m. (EST) on Thursday,September 19, 2019 by the Technical Committee Chairman, Michael E. Carsillo. Thepurpose of the teleconference was to review items prior to the NFPA 88A Pre-First Draftmeeting in 2020.

2. Staff Liaison. Kevin Carr took a roll call of members present.

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO PARTICIPATED:

NAME COMPANY Michael E. Carsillo, Chair International Fire Marshals Association (IFMA) Kevin Carr, Staff Liaison NFPA Cecil Bilbo, Jr., Principal Academy of Fire Sprinkler Technology,

Inc./Representing National Fire Sprinkler Association

Daniel A. Dahl, Principal Morrison Hershfield Corporation Juan Carlos Fernandez, Principal Miami Dade Fire Rescue Department James W. Gaut, Principal Marriott Vacations Worldwide Gerhard Haag, Principal Robotic Parking Systems Inc. Michael E. Hudkins, Principal Hillsborough County Fire Rescue Jeffery P. McBride, Principal EBL Engineers, LLC

Jeannene Yvonne Meisman, Principal Johnson Controls

John Saavedra, Principal Bioteckta

Farid Alfawakhiri, Alternate to J. Humble

American Iron and Steel Institute

John M. Breen, Alternate to J. Caldwell

AECOM

Peter T. Schwab, Alternate to C. Bilbo

Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc./Representing National Fire Sprinkler Association


GUESTS:

NAME COMPAN

Y Kathleen Paterson New York City Department of Buildings

PRINCIPAL TECHNICAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO DID NOT

PARTICIPATE (WHOSE ALTERNATES DID NOT PARTICIPATE):

NAME COMPAN

Y Hubert Biteau Exponent, Inc.

William Stephen Flannery Elevator Constructors Local 4 Boston

Thomas J. Forsythe JENSEN HUGHES

Troy Goldschmidt Greenheck

Eric J. Hall City of Des Peres

Bryant Hendrickson GRSI

David A. Moore, Jr Glendale Fire Department

Somnath Mukherjee Port Authority of New York and New

Jersey

Max R. Schmidt Instituto Nacional De Proteccion

Contra El Fuego

William Sudah Honeywell

John Anthony Whaling Protectowire Company, Inc.

Keith Woller UA Sprinkler Fitters Local 669

3. Chairman’s Opening Remarks. Chairman Michael E. Carsillo thanked everyone for

participating on the call.

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4. Staff Liaison Remarks. Staff Liaison Kevin Carr updated the committee on the current

status of NFPA 88A.

5. Committee Members and Guests. Staff Liaison Kevin Carr took attendance of those

present on the call.

6. NFPA 88A Task Group Reports. The Task Groups below had a representative report on

progress to date.

TG#1: Sections 6.2 Heating & 6.3 Ventilation – William Sudah (Leader), James Gaut,

Dan Dahl (Reported)

TG#2: Section 6.4 Fire Sprinkler – Michael Carsillo (Leader, Reported), Tom Forsythe,

Peter Schwab, Jonathan Humble

TG#4: Section 9 Car Stackers – James Gaut (Leader, Reported), Jonathan Humble


7. New Business. Two new task groups were created.

TG#3: Sections 1.1 Scope and 1.2 Purpose – James Gaut (Chair), Jonathan Humble, Juan

Carlos Fernandez, Michael Carsillo

TG#5: No section, Vehicle Fuel Types – Michael Hudkins (Leader), James Gaut, Cecil

Bilbo, John Saavedra

8. Next Meeting. An in-person meeting is being finalized for January 2020. Further details are

expected shortly.

9. Adjournment. With no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 1:50 p.m. on

Thursday, September 19, 2019.
