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NCHRP Project 22-24
Development of Verification and Validation Procedures for Computer Simulation use in
Roadside Safety Applications
SURVEY OF PRACTITIONERS
INTENT
A survey was sent out to practitioners who use LS-DYNA in roadside safety analysis To assimilate useful and practical information for
the project team To determine state of the art practices for
building, verifying and validating FEM Increase likelihood of developing models that run
without errors
APPLICATION Practitioners were asked about what types of
techniques they use and what range of variation they considered acceptable when performing typical roadside safety simulations.
A total of 41 questions asked to practitioners in following topics:
1. Background information on practitioners2. Details about model building3. Model verification4. Model validation
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Background Information
33 practitioners out of 45 identified responded to survey
Average LS-DYNA experience 8.5 years Average years of experience in roadside safety
also 8.5 years Approximate number of LS-DYNA projects
used to evaluate roadside hardware 23.
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Details about Model Building
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Details about Model Building
Where do you generally obtain your vehicle models:
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
NCAC Library
Build Own Models
Other Public Domain Sources
Automotive Industry
Proprietary Models
Self Modified Public Domain Vehicles
Source Used
Primary Source
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Details about Model Building
Rate the importance of the following model features for Roadside Safety Analysis
Average Score
1 1.2 1.4 1.6 1.8 2 2.2 2.4 2.6 2.8 3
Articulated Suspension
Rolling Tires
Detailed Geometry
Fast Run Time
Vehicle Component Failure
Failing Tires
lowest highest
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Details about Model Building
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Which of the following NCAC Vehicle Models have you used?
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
Reduced Geo Metro
Reduced C2500
Reduced Single Unit Truck
Detailed C2500
Detailed Ford Taurus
Detailed S10
Detailed F250
Detailed Ford Explorer
Without Changes
Self Modified
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Details about Model Building
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
Bolts
Rivets
Welds
Soil
Road Surface
Detailed
Approximated
Which of the following do you model in detail and which are modeled using approximate techniques?
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Details about Model Building
Sources for Material Properties
0% 20% 40% 60% 80% 100% 120%
Laboratory Experiments
Other FE Models
ASTM/AASHTO/ANSI
Source Used
Primary Source
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Details about Model Building
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Details about Model Building
How are Welded Connections Modeled?
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90%
Merged Nodes
Spotweld w/ Failure
Tied Contact
Tied Contact w/ Failure
Technique Used
Primary Technique
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Details about Model Building
How do you model post-soil interaction?
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60%
Solid Lagrangian
Non-Linear Springs
SPH
Eulerian Mesh
Technique Used
Primary Technique
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Model Verification
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Model Verification
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Model Verification
Comments on the definition:
The ASME definition can be more generic: “The process of determining that a model implementation correctly represents the modeler’s conceptual description of the model and the solution to the model.”The verification checks should ensure that the model is build correctly. It should include more than that the simulation should run. The verifications would include the material model selection and properties, element formulation selection and properties, mesh quality and geometry, contacts and friction coefficients, boundary and initial conditions, and connections. I think all verifications checks could be made before running the simulation to ensure the model is free of error and is a correct representation of actual structure. Validations are performed by running the simulation and comparing to test data (iterative).Somewhat Agree with the above statement, but is not sufficient. Model verification is building the model RIGHT. The verification process should deal with accuracy assessments that ensure correct models are created which are free of errors and provide adequate representation of the actual systems."Verification" is usually understood as a demonstration that the model behaves according to the theory. "Validation" is usually understood as a demonstration that the model behaves as the physical reality.I would add that the models do NOT produce non-physical behaviors aside from numerical instabilities.Verification of a model should also include checking that the results are reasonable. We propose that this item, rather than "Verification", is called "Computational Verification", in order to make clearer that it deals with problems related to the mathematical implementation and calculation of the problem.I agree more closely with the DoD/AiAA statement. For developing material models, verification is a check on the coding of the material model - making sure it was implemented according to the theory that was intended to be implemented.
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Model Verification
Comments on the definition:
There is no need to create a specific definition for roadside safety simulations. More general definition can be used such as: “Verification evaluates the accuracy with which the computational (FE, discrete) model depicts the mathematical model”. The mathematI share the ASME definition (Check Len Schwer committee) "Verification is the process of determining that a computational model accurately represents the underlying mathematical model and its solution." This puts the responsibility of verification on the code developers, except for user's verification activities like mesh sensitivity and convergence of solution.….What you want to know is whether or not the model simulates real life conditions. Verification, in my opinion, should read model Validation. The simulated results should be correlated with testing to verify the model….……I had not considered this attempt to distinguish between verification and validation before. Assuming that it is a sensible distinction (of which I am not fully convinced), there appear to be two different statements offered. I assume that a polished statement should amount to the model including all the relevant parts of the system modeled in a way that satisfactorily deploys the capabilities of the simulation code. Verification is about the model "working" in the intended way, and validation about the accuracy of its representation of reality. (This is YOUR project - you sort it out!)I would NOT limit it to the collective experience of the roadside safety simulation community
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Model Verification
Average Size Reported (mm)
0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
Contact othercomponents
Large deformations / Nocontact
Small Deformation / NoContact
Average Size Reported23 mm
44 mm
93 mm
Mesh Sensitivity and Quality Determination:
What is the largest shell element size used for steel parts that:
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Model Verification
21
33
56
Average Size Reported (mm)
0 10 20 30 40 50 60
Post expected to fracture
Large rotation insoil / Nofracture
Small Deformation / NoFracture
Average Size Reported21 mm
33 mm
56 mm
Mesh Sensitivity and Quality Determination:
What is the largest solid element size used for wood posts where:
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Model Verification
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Model Verification
In general, what is the maximum warpage angle that you try to limit the elements to in your models:
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60%
0 - 5%
5% - 10%
10%-15%
15%-20%
N/A
48.3%
13.8%
13.8%
3.4%
20.7%
0% 5% 10% 15% 20% 25% 30% 35% 40% 45% 50%
3 to 1
5 to 1
2 to 1
N/A
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Model Verification
I generally keep the aspect ratio of my mesh smaller than:
19.4%
45.2%
22.6%
12.4%
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Model Validation
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Model Validation
Average Score
3 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 3.6 3.7 3.8 3.9 4
Barrier Damage (qualitative)
Crash Sequence (qualitative)
Displacement (quantitative)
Vehicle Trajectories (qualitative)
Accelerations (quantitative)
Velocities (quantitative)
Vehicle Damage (qualitative)
Rank the following statements in order of importance in validating a finite element simulation with physical test (1=least important, 5 = most important):
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Model Validation
Which qualitative comparisons do you use to compare your simulation to the physical tests?
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
Hardware Deformations
Location / number offailed components
Visual Methods (i.e.,pictures / movies)
Phenomological (i.e.,same general response)
Parameter Used
Primary Parameter Used
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Model Validation
Which quantitative time history comparisons do you use to compare your simulation to the physical tests?
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
Displacements andRotations
Velocity
Accelerations
Energy
Stress/Strain
Technique Used
Primary Technique
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Model Validation
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
TRAP (i.e., OIV, ORA,THIV, ASI, etc.)
Geer's Parameters
NARD validation manual
Ray's T-statistic
Technique Used
Primary Technique
Which of the following parameters or metrics do you use to compare your simulation results with experimental results?
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Model Validation
RESPONSE TO SURVEY Model Validation
Summary The survey provided information regarding the
current state of the art practices for building, verifying and validating FEM
This information will provide some practical guidance for the project team when developing V&V procedures
The information could also be synthesized into a “Best Practices” document. BUT, probably doesn’t provide enough information to do
one justice May be out of scope for this project
LIST OF PRACTITIONERS RESPONDED