1 Rule Thirty- f i ve examination ; is that what you ' re tell i ng me?

2 A Correct.

3 Q And you were going down the things that - - it ' s not

4 getting th e children to s c hool on time ; you were going down ,

5 and the o ther things t hat Mr . Murphy --

6 THE COURT : That she was alienating

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Q Al ienating the children from h i m. What else? 7

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9 A Mr . Murphy talke d a lot about se rious concer n s

10 a bout t he c hi ldren , whic h obviously , I wou ld want , as t he

11 person they 're living wit h r ight now, I would want to find

12 out from her what she thinks about that , and see how her

13 parenting strengths and weaknesses are regarding the

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15 There had been t hings like the c h i ldren getting

16 injured . The children - - I believe , one has made suicidal

17 statements . So there were a lot of concerns about the

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Q So you ' re saying i t ' s her respo n s ibility for the

children getting injured?

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A He 's concerned about how her ability to supervise

t he children is , her abili ty to parent the children . That

4 would include getting to school on time .

5 He ' s concerned about statements she's made such as

6 threatening to kill him and herself if custody changed .

7 That's obviously something I would ask about and look for her

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9 His biggest conce rns all related to the children

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There was also an accusation that one of the boys

had apparently made , or reportedly made , that his mother may

13 have fondled him in the past. That would obviously be

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THE COURT : This came out once before. I'm pretty

sure it did . I remember something about it.

MR . DRAKE : Doctor Nice testified --

THE COURT : Huh?

MR . DRAKE : Doctor Nice t.estified to it .

MR . FARMER : She testified when she went in the

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wait ing room, that one of the chil dren that were waiting

to see her , and what happened , the child was laying on

the sofa , after they waited three hours to see her --

THE COURT : Wel l , look . I ' m not --

MR . FARMER : I' m saying

THE COURT : Look . I ' m not deciding that now .

MR. fARMER: ( Unint:el ligible . )

THE COURT : I ' m just saying we don't need any more

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What else?

(Unintelligible . ) I understand.

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She doesn't know anything about that.

I understand .

Concerns about guns in her house .

Okay . Is that a concern of yours in the custody

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I would ask about that .

Okay . But if there are, is that a c oncern of

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they ' re locked up . The guardian ad litem usually is somebody

that would go do a home visit and check on that.

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