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KISStNGER TRIP TO THE
MIDDLE EAST
March 7 - 22 1975 r The President Trip Book Vol I
Scanned from the Kissinger Reports on USSR China and Middle East Discussions (Box 3 - March 7-22 1975 - Kissingers Trip - Vol I (1)) at the Gerald R Ford Presidential Library
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KISSINGER TRIP TO THE MIDDLE EAST
March 7 - 22 1975
Chronology
March 7 1975
middot Checklist for Egypt
March 8 1975
middot HAK Sadat MeITlcon 11 00 a ITl
March 9 1975
bull Report to the President bull HAKKhaddaITl MeITlcon 1155 a ITl - 1230 p ITl bull HAK Asad MeITlcon 315 - 7 30 p ITl middot HAK KhaddaITl MeITlcon 7 30 - 8 00 p ITl bull Report to the President bull Checklists for Israel
HAK Rabin MeITlcon 10 30 - 11 55 p ITl
March 10 1975
bull Checklist for Israel HAK Rabin MeITlcon 10 02 a ITl - 1 00 p ITl
bull Report to the President
March II 1975
bull HAKRabin MeITlcon 1010 - 1140 p ITl bull Report to the President
March 12 1975
bull Checklist for Israel bull HAKRabin MeITlcon 1013 a ITl - 1215 p ITl middot Checklists for Egypt
HAKSadat MeITlcon 630 - 945 pITl- shyDECLtSSFiED
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March 13 1975
middot HAKSadat Merncon 700 - 950 prn middot Report to the President
March 14 1975
middot Report to the President middot Checklists for Israel middot HAKRabin Merncon 110 - 345 p rn bull Report to the President
March 15 1975
middot Checklist for Egypt middot HAKKhaddarn Merncon 12 02 - 12 35 p rn middot HAKKhaddarn Merncon 200 - 235 p rn middot HAK Asad Merncon bull HAK Khaddarn Merncon 645 - 715 p rn middot Report to the President middot Checklist for Jordan bull HAKHussein Merncon 830 - 845 p rn middot HAKHussein Merncon (dinner) 915 - 1115 p rn
March 16 1975
middot Report to the President bull HAKHussein Merncon 1000 - 1155 a rn middot HAK Rabin Merncon 6 07 - 1007 p rn middot Report to the President
March 17 1975
middot HAK Rabin Merncon 1015 - 11 30 a rn middot Checklist for Egypt bull HAK Sadat Merncon 645 - 9 00 p rn
March 18 1975
bull Report to the President bull HAK Sadat Merncon 1145 a rn - 215 p rn
Report to the President Checklist for Israel HAK Rabin Merncon 710 - 945 p rn
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~ March 19 1975
bull HAKRabin Memcon 845 - 1020 a m bull Report to the President
Checklist for Saudi Arabia middot HAKYamani Memcon 225 - 255 p m bull HAKFahd Memcon 300 - 425 pm bull HAK Faisal Memcon 4 30 - 5 30 p m middot Report to the President
March 20 1975
middot HAKRabin Memcon 950 a m - 1235 p m middot Report to the President bull HAK Rabin Memcon 5 30 - 645 p m bull Report to the President middot Checklist for Egypt middot HAKSadat Memcon 905 - 1145 p m
March 21 1975
middot Report to the President bull HAKRabin Memcon 145 - 400 p m middot Checklist for Israel middot HAK Rabin Memcon 1010 p m - 1210 a m
March 22 1975
bull Report to the President bull Checklist for Israel bull HAK Rabin Memcon 6 35 - 815 p m bull HAKRabin Memcon 10 35 p m - 1205 a m
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CHRONOLOG Y OF DECISIVE PHASE OF THE NEGOTIATION
Thur sday March 13
650 - 950 p m
Fridav March 14
1210 p m
110 - 345 p m
400 p m
Saturday March 15
1200 Noon
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Meeting with Sadat __ Sadatagrees (1) all disputes will be resolved by peaceful means (2) this is not a final step but a sjgnificant step towards peace (3) non-resort to force for duration of agreement (4) valid until superseded by another agreement (5) no linkage to Syria (6) annual renewal of UNEF (7) some jOint cornmissions in buffer zone 8 some selective de facto easing of boycott and other practices
Sadat wants some forward movenent of Egyptian line Garnasy proposes balanced disposition of forces after Egypti~ line moves forward
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Arrive Jerusalem
Meeting with Negotiating Team
-- HAK reports Sadats proposals saying that if he can go back with basic cone epts settled Sadat would probably be flexible on other points
Dan Pattir backgrounder calls Egyptian proposals at first sight insufficient and unsatisfactory middotmiddotmiddoto
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Arrival Damascus
Arrival Arnman
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Sunday March 16
11orning HAK in Amman while Israeli Cabinet zneetsL 200 p m
6 00 - 10 00 P n1
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1015 - 11 30 a m
300 p m
7 00 - 845 p m
1045 p m - 1215 a m
Arrive Tel Aviv
Meeting with Negotiating Team
-- Cabinet sees livery little in Sadats proposals on main pointS (1) Non-use of force is only slight variation on disengagement agreement and is conditioned on peace process (2) On mov ement towards peace nothing new (3) no assurance of duration and no insurarlce against Soviet veto of UNEF Unless he does more on these three key issues I dont see what can be done (Rabin)
For renunciation of acts of bellig~ ency or acts of war Israel will give either passes or oil fields but not both Gamasys proposal (balance of forces) couH be consideredbull
HAK foresees bre~-up~~__ ~ __ _
Meetirg with Negotiating Team
-- Israel would leave passes and oil fields in exchange for renunciation of acts of belligerency and might cors ider Egyptian forces moving into present UN zone For non-use of force pledge Israel would pull back to western edge of passes and accept 3-party management of oil fields
-- Allan offers two strong formulations on renunciation of military paramilitary hostile__ and warlike actions and secondly permitting encouraging assisting or participatingU in same I
Depart for Aswan
1-1eeting with Sadat
-- Sadat rejects Allons formulations Ql non-use of force as going beyond non-belligerency
Meeting with Fahmy and Gamasy -- Fahmy says he will recommend new forrnshyulations on non-us e of force to Sadat tomorrow
Tuesday March 18
1145 a m - 2 30 p m
300 pm
715 - 945 p m
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t~middot WednesdaYe March 19
845 - 1020 a m
1l00 a m - 200 p m
6 30 p m - 1 30 a m
Meeting with Sadat -- Sadat agrees (1) IIMideast crisis will be solved bullbullbull by peaceful meal SII (2) assurances to USG in agreement not to resort to force (3) agreement valid until superseded (4) Geneva will not interfere with agreement He is prepared to drop linkage to peace process Passes should be in UN zonel
with each sides forces at each entr ance No further concession on economic warfare
Depart for Tel Aviv
Meeting with Negotiating Team -- HAK reports that this is maximUIIl Sadat can do If it is accepted in princip1el rnaybe dr afting can be improved
Meeting with Negotiating TeaIrl -- Rabin says its II rnore thandoubtfu]u that Cabinet will accept Sadats position on the passe s
Secretarys Trip to Riyadh
Israeli Cabinet Meets
Israeli Cabinet Meets
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Thursday March 20
9 50 - 1235 p In
100- 300 p m
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645 p In
1000 pm - Midnight
Meeting with Israeli Negotiating Team
-- Israelis report results of yesterdays 10 hcu rs of Cabinet meetings (1) No chage in Israels non-use of force proposal (2) On duration still insist on cOmmitment even indirect on certain number of years (3) Line is in middle of the passes (4) 3-party management for Abu Rudeis (5) No increase in Egyptian forces now on East bank Rabin admits he told Cabinet this mean t 98 chance of break-up
-- HAK sees not the slightest attempt to deal with any of the points madebullbullbullbullovermany montns II He reads talking points approved by Pre sident Ford
Israeli Cabinet Meets
Meeting with Negotiating Team bull -- Cabinet agrees on (1) modification of non-us e of force provision (eliminating specific details of ~~ non-belligerency) which HAK believes is Hdoahie (2) No change in line s (3) Oil fields as civilian enclave and (4) Egypt must commit itself to renew -
UNEF at least 3 or 4 time$ -- --~ - - ~ -
-- HAK tells Isr~elis he sees no chance of his a~cmiddotepting this line
Depart for Aswan
Meeting with Sadat
-- Sadat accepts Israeli formulation on non-use d forceJ minus phrases about assistaDce II bull
Sadat rejects line through Inidyene of passesI proposes that each side be at entrancewitb UN occupying passes Re~ oil fie1dsJ Sadat rejects enclave and proposes demilitarized UN- supervised zone under Egyptian civil administration He proposes increase in numb~r of Egyptian forces on East bank from the present 71 000
11eeting with Sadat (conti1ued)
Sadat gives ora assurance to be conveyed to Israel that if Syria attacks Israel and this is confirmed by UN Egypt will not join
Friday March 21
1010 a m
145 - 400 pm
430 - 930 pm
1010 pm - Midnight
Depart Aswan
Meeting wi th Negotiating Team -- HAllt reports Sadatl s counter-proposals Rabin says he would be unwilling to recommend this to the Cabinet IIBecause I believe Israel cannot in present circumstances in return for what is offered agree to withdraw fromJhepasses and from the oil fields and accept Egyptian Inovement forward of the blue line shy
Israeli Cabinet Meets -- Presidents letter to Rabin arrives and is read to Cabinet shy
Meeting with Negotiating Team -- Cabinet decision was basically to reaffirm its previous position Israelis prefel that no suspelshysion be announced but that negotiating teams reconvene 600 pm Saturday
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Mternoon
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1035 p~ 1205 a rn
1100 p In
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Cable to Aswan asking if there are tany aspects of the Egyptian position that they have not revealed~ on duration and early warning stations
Fahrny replies negatively Break-off will mean rirrevocable and fatal blow to step by step process t
Meeting with Negotiating Team -- No change in Israeli position
Second Meeting with Negotiating Tecun
Announcement of suspension
4 middot1 jtUU-tJI bull ~ I ISRAEL - EGYPTIAN NEGOTIATIONS
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to see if there has been any further refinement or evolution of Egyptian thinking as reflected in the paper Fahmy gave you on the last trip (Tab A) bull
to in~icate to Sadat what you think is the minishy
um required to get an agreement
- to discuss with Sadat how ~ou envisage this trip volving and specificall~ how you intend to proshyeed in your initial stops in Damascus and Jerusashy
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he issues in the negotiation are
the linkage to a Syrian negotiation covering the ollowing hypothetical spectrum
commitment to a Golan agreement by a specific date
commitment not tomiddotimplement a Sinai agreement until a Golan agreement is reached
commitment to start Golan negotiations by a specific date but not holding up conclusion of a Sinai agreement
commitment to an all-out US effort to reach a Golan agreement after a Sinai agreement is achieved
- there are two key procedural questionsl
should Golan negotiations be conducted as before or at Geneva
-- should the Syrian linkage be covered in I the Egyptian-Israeli agreement itself or i in a side US-Egyptian understanding bullI
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the duration of th~ agreement which has several aspects
-- how ~xpressed in the agreement ~ open-ende~
or for a specified period
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annual rather than six month renewals
how deal with Israeli desire for a specified period during which there will be no more withshy
drawal on the Egyptian front
the non-belligerency issue
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- public commitment to observe ceasefire while j negotiations continue
- private US-Egyptian understanding that Egypt will not resume hostilities so long as Israel does not attack Egypt or Syria
3 ow you will proceed in Damascus and Jerusalem
- Damascus -- You will make a major effort to ersuade Asad that the only practical way to roceed and keep open possibilities for pro- ress on the Golan front is to first negotiate Sinai agreement You will also probe to see
hat is the minimum possible linkage that will eep Asad quiet
A key question here is whether Faisal can be persuaded to support the Sadat approach or will he th~ow his weight behind Asad What are Sadats views on Faisals position
I uerusalem -- You intend to give the Israelis 2 gour ideas the points contained in Fahmys paper
inus the following
- paragraph 8 delete during theduration of this agreement in the assurances that neither side will initiate military or paramilitary
operations against the other III Ii - delete paragraph 9 on the Syrian linkage
this is something to be handled in a US~shyEgyptian side understanding_
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A sepa ate che~klist of bilateral issues is in yourfolder bull
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Attached for your reference are the following documentsl
Tab A The paper Fahmy gave you in Cairo We have bracketed the two portions you have said you want to omit in your first presentation middotto the Israelis
Tab B The listo~ points which we drafted in Cairo during the last visit We assume Fahmy is familiar with this
Tab C The three letters we drafted in Cairo during the last trip
I bullFord-Sadat us will continue its pe~ce efforts iincl uding Syria
illh f k~ord-Sadat Israe as no 1ntent1on 0 attac 1ng its neighbors (We believ this phrase should e changed to Syria and Egypt
adat-Fords Egypt will not attack Israel
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SLIENT POINTS RELATED TO A SECOND DISENGAGEMENT A~ 7S I
fy( ~ I AGREEMENT BETWEEN EGYPT AND ISRAEL
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i- The agreement should include total withdrawal of
Israeli forces to the east of the p~sses and from all ~
the oilfields including the town of El Tor
2-1 The IsraeLi withdrawal will be implemented in such I I
a nner as to indicate the willingness of the Israelis
to temonstrate their desire for peace namely that no roads
nor 1nstallations or equipment of the oilfields be destroyed
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01 he remaining occupied part of Sinai
I he United N~tions Zone will be subject of agreement
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Slrect of mutual agreement
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indicating the various phases of the implementation of the illl
agreement bearing in mind that the full implementation I
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be terminated within two months of the signature of the
i~ agreement and that Egypt receives all oi1fi81ds within
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two weeks of the signing
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which the mandate of UNEF will be extended annually as j
lO~p as this agreement is valid and efforts towards a
just and peaceful settlement continue lt
7shy gypt and Israel are ready to reactivate the Egyptian-
Isrreli Mixed Armistice Agreement and they agree that the
Mixed Armistice Commission resume its work to consider
alibged violations by the parties to the present disen-II
garime~t agreement j
8-~hOUld Israel give a formal guarantee or assurance in
wri~ing to the United States that it will not undertake 1 I I
111l t l t t t dml Ii ary or parlml l ary opera lons lgalns Syrla im 6middot I
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pa+ is ready to give to the United States Government a
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be terminated within two months of the signature of the
L- agreement and that Egypt receives all oilfields within
two weeks of the signing
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which the mandate of UNEF will be extended annually as J
lOpasthis agreement ~s valid and effort~ towards a
jUS[ and peaceful settlent continue ~
7shy gypt and Israel are ready to reactivate the Egyptian- I
ISfreli Mixed Armistice Agreement and they agree that the
MiX~d Armistice Commission resume its work to consider
~ II all~ged violations bythe p~rties to the pre~ent disenshy
I garlme~t agreement
8- ~hOUld Israel give a formal guarantee or assurance i~ I I i I
wri~ing to the United States that it will not undertake I I I
mii~tary or parlmilitary operations against Syria lnd I
Eg jtQIUring the duration of this agreemen0 Egypt on ita
pli+ is ready to give to the United States Government a I bull
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parrmilitary operations against Israel However should
Iampr~el attac~ Syria Egypt will not be bound by th~8 Iimiddot I
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agreement but will fulfill its obligation towards syria
l~r In addition Egypt if attacked by Iarael will exeroise ita oF
r i 9ht toll self-defence under article S1 of the UN Charter
middotG- Should Israel give solemn assurances to the United State
that it will engage itsself in an active process of negoti shy
ations with a view to reach a second Disengagement agreement
onithe Syrian front and if the President of the United States I
gi~es his assurances tOPresident Sadat that the United stat I
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Goiernment will actively dePlOY its efforts and weight
a further disengagement between Syria and Israel takes place
~e~ore the middle of 1975 President Sadat would be prepared
to Igive to President Ford his assurances that Egypt will not
vi11ate the Disengagement Agreement reached between
Isxael as long as the efforts pertaining to further pr09ress
It~ards a just and durable peace are continuing t7
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lO~I Moreover Egypt is prepared to go to Geneva to dis~uss Iwitlt the parties concerned the conditions for a final just
an~1 durable peaceful solution provided that the Palestini~~~ i
ref~esentat~ves be invited to take part in the discussions
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12- Furthermoreand as a demonstration of its continuing
~ efforts towards a peaceful settlement Egypt would contin
the process of the reconstruction of the Suez Canal area 1
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~ of the present Disengagement Agreement
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bnls~me ~merican firms ~ and that on ~ selective basis _
lhtt they CQuld reBu~e theiractivitie in Egypt ThisI
ornmittment would be given in the form of an oral under-
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1 egypt aud btucl wo1J commit themselves to contli1uo
called tor 17 the UN Security CooncU and rcfra11 from all i
llo~itHc ~ctioib n~ainst one Anothor
2 There would lie a tiltPmc-nt in the Agreement tllollt 1 i
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o oaaLons to this ltd would 1gt0 unJermkcn by tIlo two sidesfImiddot Tho mHlury fOA7CCu of Egypt anll Israel wIll 00 dCploicU
tn ccoldancc -v1th the followln~ principlesI
j 11 All egyptian [oreca wIll be dcploycQ wet of ello Uno
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1tiOnlng of t110 UnIted Natio-1G Emorg~ncy I-oreo (UNEF) in
~Iar between Uno A and UnC non tile attached roap 0 II
4~hlst ill tlc implementation of this agrccment I II
4 I Both sioea would arrcc th1t U10 sizo of tbe force would
~li=amped and procedures for inspectIon will 1gt0 strcngtllcnOll
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to assist lJNEF in Its SUpclvItiory rolo
5 11cro wold be ttllO crClC of llrutcJ armament 4nJ forcca
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7 lho~c woud be an c~paan Lmdcrtakin~ that Israeli
c~rrOC woulJ bo pClmiddotmi~ccd throuZhmiddot the Suez Ulnal and tli4lt
I thfjO would b~ no dlscrlmln~tlon as to tho nationality of t~I crmiddot VQ 01 thirJ party vessels
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~lt would apply to Israel loG pan ot a peaco ~cctlcmcnt
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~itbalMUdlJ Str~CG as aa ntanlltloool waterway for
411 o( aU flall acd that ncltllcr party WOiIklllitcrlcro
Wli1iUCh tr~nfit
10 lf1cte Vou~ b~ ~n unJcrtakil~3 tbat cadl side would
rcrLl fron bootHo pro~zallda towarJg tho other lda
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12 There would bo Cl provision that the previous cUsengngement
agreement lIill be ~~Qred to except a8 altered by this
lLgrecmont
13 Thero would bo ploviaiona tor aerial vurvolUance or the
implCmentatlon or proccdurc~ in articles 3 4 and 5 i aides
14 There Would ulO bo Q proviaion that botlaBreo to BUpport
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Dear Mr President
Iwapl to assure you that once a further agreement is
achieved between Egy pt and Israel the United States
will continue to support and if desirable ani necessary
to engage itself directly in further efforts to achieve the
just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
Sinc~rely
Gerald R Ford
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I am informing yfJU th~t I hnve received Ilaaurencea from
1hp GovernO~nt of I~r~cl that in rurther~nee (pr tho proceas of
peae it dO~(I uot intend to at~ncK its Arab neighbors 08 long
as all (oncernen -bide ly the cet4sefirc )4esolution adopted by
the ~ecn~~ity Couucil lnili ampttack
The United StntcB wouJd oppose ampny sucn
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I note with satisfaction your statement that the i~ I pI rCf~S loading tvvvClrds a just and lasting peace in the
Middle Eolstwill continile and the statement by Israel ~ ~ tha tit ilas no inten tion of attacking its neighbors
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MEMORANDUM OF
PARTICIPANTS
SUBJECT
LOCATION
TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
Washington DC 20520
CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
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President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
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President Sadat following their second Meeting In
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JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
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Question Mr Presl ent do you think enough progress h s
been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
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whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
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Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
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KISSINGER TRIP TO THE MIDDLE EAST
March 7 - 22 1975
Chronology
March 7 1975
middot Checklist for Egypt
March 8 1975
middot HAK Sadat MeITlcon 11 00 a ITl
March 9 1975
bull Report to the President bull HAKKhaddaITl MeITlcon 1155 a ITl - 1230 p ITl bull HAK Asad MeITlcon 315 - 7 30 p ITl middot HAK KhaddaITl MeITlcon 7 30 - 8 00 p ITl bull Report to the President bull Checklists for Israel
HAK Rabin MeITlcon 10 30 - 11 55 p ITl
March 10 1975
bull Checklist for Israel HAK Rabin MeITlcon 10 02 a ITl - 1 00 p ITl
bull Report to the President
March II 1975
bull HAKRabin MeITlcon 1010 - 1140 p ITl bull Report to the President
March 12 1975
bull Checklist for Israel bull HAKRabin MeITlcon 1013 a ITl - 1215 p ITl middot Checklists for Egypt
HAKSadat MeITlcon 630 - 945 pITl- shyDECLtSSFiED
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March 13 1975
middot HAKSadat Merncon 700 - 950 prn middot Report to the President
March 14 1975
middot Report to the President middot Checklists for Israel middot HAKRabin Merncon 110 - 345 p rn bull Report to the President
March 15 1975
middot Checklist for Egypt middot HAKKhaddarn Merncon 12 02 - 12 35 p rn middot HAKKhaddarn Merncon 200 - 235 p rn middot HAK Asad Merncon bull HAK Khaddarn Merncon 645 - 715 p rn middot Report to the President middot Checklist for Jordan bull HAKHussein Merncon 830 - 845 p rn middot HAKHussein Merncon (dinner) 915 - 1115 p rn
March 16 1975
middot Report to the President bull HAKHussein Merncon 1000 - 1155 a rn middot HAK Rabin Merncon 6 07 - 1007 p rn middot Report to the President
March 17 1975
middot HAK Rabin Merncon 1015 - 11 30 a rn middot Checklist for Egypt bull HAK Sadat Merncon 645 - 9 00 p rn
March 18 1975
bull Report to the President bull HAK Sadat Merncon 1145 a rn - 215 p rn
Report to the President Checklist for Israel HAK Rabin Merncon 710 - 945 p rn
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bull HAKRabin Memcon 845 - 1020 a m bull Report to the President
Checklist for Saudi Arabia middot HAKYamani Memcon 225 - 255 p m bull HAKFahd Memcon 300 - 425 pm bull HAK Faisal Memcon 4 30 - 5 30 p m middot Report to the President
March 20 1975
middot HAKRabin Memcon 950 a m - 1235 p m middot Report to the President bull HAK Rabin Memcon 5 30 - 645 p m bull Report to the President middot Checklist for Egypt middot HAKSadat Memcon 905 - 1145 p m
March 21 1975
middot Report to the President bull HAKRabin Memcon 145 - 400 p m middot Checklist for Israel middot HAK Rabin Memcon 1010 p m - 1210 a m
March 22 1975
bull Report to the President bull Checklist for Israel bull HAK Rabin Memcon 6 35 - 815 p m bull HAKRabin Memcon 10 35 p m - 1205 a m
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CHRONOLOG Y OF DECISIVE PHASE OF THE NEGOTIATION
Thur sday March 13
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Fridav March 14
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110 - 345 p m
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Saturday March 15
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Meeting with Sadat __ Sadatagrees (1) all disputes will be resolved by peaceful means (2) this is not a final step but a sjgnificant step towards peace (3) non-resort to force for duration of agreement (4) valid until superseded by another agreement (5) no linkage to Syria (6) annual renewal of UNEF (7) some jOint cornmissions in buffer zone 8 some selective de facto easing of boycott and other practices
Sadat wants some forward movenent of Egyptian line Garnasy proposes balanced disposition of forces after Egypti~ line moves forward
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Arrive Jerusalem
Meeting with Negotiating Team
-- HAK reports Sadats proposals saying that if he can go back with basic cone epts settled Sadat would probably be flexible on other points
Dan Pattir backgrounder calls Egyptian proposals at first sight insufficient and unsatisfactory middotmiddotmiddoto
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Arrival Arnman
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11orning HAK in Amman while Israeli Cabinet zneetsL 200 p m
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300 p m
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Arrive Tel Aviv
Meeting with Negotiating Team
-- Cabinet sees livery little in Sadats proposals on main pointS (1) Non-use of force is only slight variation on disengagement agreement and is conditioned on peace process (2) On mov ement towards peace nothing new (3) no assurance of duration and no insurarlce against Soviet veto of UNEF Unless he does more on these three key issues I dont see what can be done (Rabin)
For renunciation of acts of bellig~ ency or acts of war Israel will give either passes or oil fields but not both Gamasys proposal (balance of forces) couH be consideredbull
HAK foresees bre~-up~~__ ~ __ _
Meetirg with Negotiating Team
-- Israel would leave passes and oil fields in exchange for renunciation of acts of belligerency and might cors ider Egyptian forces moving into present UN zone For non-use of force pledge Israel would pull back to western edge of passes and accept 3-party management of oil fields
-- Allan offers two strong formulations on renunciation of military paramilitary hostile__ and warlike actions and secondly permitting encouraging assisting or participatingU in same I
Depart for Aswan
1-1eeting with Sadat
-- Sadat rejects Allons formulations Ql non-use of force as going beyond non-belligerency
Meeting with Fahmy and Gamasy -- Fahmy says he will recommend new forrnshyulations on non-us e of force to Sadat tomorrow
Tuesday March 18
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300 pm
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t~middot WednesdaYe March 19
845 - 1020 a m
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6 30 p m - 1 30 a m
Meeting with Sadat -- Sadat agrees (1) IIMideast crisis will be solved bullbullbull by peaceful meal SII (2) assurances to USG in agreement not to resort to force (3) agreement valid until superseded (4) Geneva will not interfere with agreement He is prepared to drop linkage to peace process Passes should be in UN zonel
with each sides forces at each entr ance No further concession on economic warfare
Depart for Tel Aviv
Meeting with Negotiating Team -- HAK reports that this is maximUIIl Sadat can do If it is accepted in princip1el rnaybe dr afting can be improved
Meeting with Negotiating TeaIrl -- Rabin says its II rnore thandoubtfu]u that Cabinet will accept Sadats position on the passe s
Secretarys Trip to Riyadh
Israeli Cabinet Meets
Israeli Cabinet Meets
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Thursday March 20
9 50 - 1235 p In
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1000 pm - Midnight
Meeting with Israeli Negotiating Team
-- Israelis report results of yesterdays 10 hcu rs of Cabinet meetings (1) No chage in Israels non-use of force proposal (2) On duration still insist on cOmmitment even indirect on certain number of years (3) Line is in middle of the passes (4) 3-party management for Abu Rudeis (5) No increase in Egyptian forces now on East bank Rabin admits he told Cabinet this mean t 98 chance of break-up
-- HAK sees not the slightest attempt to deal with any of the points madebullbullbullbullovermany montns II He reads talking points approved by Pre sident Ford
Israeli Cabinet Meets
Meeting with Negotiating Team bull -- Cabinet agrees on (1) modification of non-us e of force provision (eliminating specific details of ~~ non-belligerency) which HAK believes is Hdoahie (2) No change in line s (3) Oil fields as civilian enclave and (4) Egypt must commit itself to renew -
UNEF at least 3 or 4 time$ -- --~ - - ~ -
-- HAK tells Isr~elis he sees no chance of his a~cmiddotepting this line
Depart for Aswan
Meeting with Sadat
-- Sadat accepts Israeli formulation on non-use d forceJ minus phrases about assistaDce II bull
Sadat rejects line through Inidyene of passesI proposes that each side be at entrancewitb UN occupying passes Re~ oil fie1dsJ Sadat rejects enclave and proposes demilitarized UN- supervised zone under Egyptian civil administration He proposes increase in numb~r of Egyptian forces on East bank from the present 71 000
11eeting with Sadat (conti1ued)
Sadat gives ora assurance to be conveyed to Israel that if Syria attacks Israel and this is confirmed by UN Egypt will not join
Friday March 21
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430 - 930 pm
1010 pm - Midnight
Depart Aswan
Meeting wi th Negotiating Team -- HAllt reports Sadatl s counter-proposals Rabin says he would be unwilling to recommend this to the Cabinet IIBecause I believe Israel cannot in present circumstances in return for what is offered agree to withdraw fromJhepasses and from the oil fields and accept Egyptian Inovement forward of the blue line shy
Israeli Cabinet Meets -- Presidents letter to Rabin arrives and is read to Cabinet shy
Meeting with Negotiating Team -- Cabinet decision was basically to reaffirm its previous position Israelis prefel that no suspelshysion be announced but that negotiating teams reconvene 600 pm Saturday
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Fahrny replies negatively Break-off will mean rirrevocable and fatal blow to step by step process t
Meeting with Negotiating Team -- No change in Israeli position
Second Meeting with Negotiating Tecun
Announcement of suspension
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to in~icate to Sadat what you think is the minishy
um required to get an agreement
- to discuss with Sadat how ~ou envisage this trip volving and specificall~ how you intend to proshyeed in your initial stops in Damascus and Jerusashy
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the linkage to a Syrian negotiation covering the ollowing hypothetical spectrum
commitment to a Golan agreement by a specific date
commitment not tomiddotimplement a Sinai agreement until a Golan agreement is reached
commitment to start Golan negotiations by a specific date but not holding up conclusion of a Sinai agreement
commitment to an all-out US effort to reach a Golan agreement after a Sinai agreement is achieved
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should Golan negotiations be conducted as before or at Geneva
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annual rather than six month renewals
how deal with Israeli desire for a specified period during which there will be no more withshy
drawal on the Egyptian front
the non-belligerency issue
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- private US-Egyptian understanding that Egypt will not resume hostilities so long as Israel does not attack Egypt or Syria
3 ow you will proceed in Damascus and Jerusalem
- Damascus -- You will make a major effort to ersuade Asad that the only practical way to roceed and keep open possibilities for pro- ress on the Golan front is to first negotiate Sinai agreement You will also probe to see
hat is the minimum possible linkage that will eep Asad quiet
A key question here is whether Faisal can be persuaded to support the Sadat approach or will he th~ow his weight behind Asad What are Sadats views on Faisals position
I uerusalem -- You intend to give the Israelis 2 gour ideas the points contained in Fahmys paper
inus the following
- paragraph 8 delete during theduration of this agreement in the assurances that neither side will initiate military or paramilitary
operations against the other III Ii - delete paragraph 9 on the Syrian linkage
this is something to be handled in a US~shyEgyptian side understanding_
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Attached for your reference are the following documentsl
Tab A The paper Fahmy gave you in Cairo We have bracketed the two portions you have said you want to omit in your first presentation middotto the Israelis
Tab B The listo~ points which we drafted in Cairo during the last visit We assume Fahmy is familiar with this
Tab C The three letters we drafted in Cairo during the last trip
I bullFord-Sadat us will continue its pe~ce efforts iincl uding Syria
illh f k~ord-Sadat Israe as no 1ntent1on 0 attac 1ng its neighbors (We believ this phrase should e changed to Syria and Egypt
adat-Fords Egypt will not attack Israel
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Israeli forces to the east of the p~sses and from all ~
the oilfields including the town of El Tor
2-1 The IsraeLi withdrawal will be implemented in such I I
a nner as to indicate the willingness of the Israelis
to temonstrate their desire for peace namely that no roads
nor 1nstallations or equipment of the oilfields be destroyed
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01 he remaining occupied part of Sinai
I he United N~tions Zone will be subject of agreement
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7shy gypt and Israel are ready to reactivate the Egyptian-
Isrreli Mixed Armistice Agreement and they agree that the
Mixed Armistice Commission resume its work to consider
alibged violations by the parties to the present disen-II
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wri~ing to the United States that it will not undertake 1 I I
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ISfreli Mixed Armistice Agreement and they agree that the
MiX~d Armistice Commission resume its work to consider
~ II all~ged violations bythe p~rties to the pre~ent disenshy
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wri~ing to the United States that it will not undertake I I I
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r i 9ht toll self-defence under article S1 of the UN Charter
middotG- Should Israel give solemn assurances to the United State
that it will engage itsself in an active process of negoti shy
ations with a view to reach a second Disengagement agreement
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a further disengagement between Syria and Israel takes place
~e~ore the middle of 1975 President Sadat would be prepared
to Igive to President Ford his assurances that Egypt will not
vi11ate the Disengagement Agreement reached between
Isxael as long as the efforts pertaining to further pr09ress
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bnls~me ~merican firms ~ and that on ~ selective basis _
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1 egypt aud btucl wo1J commit themselves to contli1uo
called tor 17 the UN Security CooncU and rcfra11 from all i
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Iwapl to assure you that once a further agreement is
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will continue to support and if desirable ani necessary
to engage itself directly in further efforts to achieve the
just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
Sinc~rely
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TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
Washington DC 20520
CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
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President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
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President Sadat following their second Meeting In
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JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
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been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
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whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
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Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
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Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
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March 13 1975
middot HAKSadat Merncon 700 - 950 prn middot Report to the President
March 14 1975
middot Report to the President middot Checklists for Israel middot HAKRabin Merncon 110 - 345 p rn bull Report to the President
March 15 1975
middot Checklist for Egypt middot HAKKhaddarn Merncon 12 02 - 12 35 p rn middot HAKKhaddarn Merncon 200 - 235 p rn middot HAK Asad Merncon bull HAK Khaddarn Merncon 645 - 715 p rn middot Report to the President middot Checklist for Jordan bull HAKHussein Merncon 830 - 845 p rn middot HAKHussein Merncon (dinner) 915 - 1115 p rn
March 16 1975
middot Report to the President bull HAKHussein Merncon 1000 - 1155 a rn middot HAK Rabin Merncon 6 07 - 1007 p rn middot Report to the President
March 17 1975
middot HAK Rabin Merncon 1015 - 11 30 a rn middot Checklist for Egypt bull HAK Sadat Merncon 645 - 9 00 p rn
March 18 1975
bull Report to the President bull HAK Sadat Merncon 1145 a rn - 215 p rn
Report to the President Checklist for Israel HAK Rabin Merncon 710 - 945 p rn
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bull HAKRabin Memcon 845 - 1020 a m bull Report to the President
Checklist for Saudi Arabia middot HAKYamani Memcon 225 - 255 p m bull HAKFahd Memcon 300 - 425 pm bull HAK Faisal Memcon 4 30 - 5 30 p m middot Report to the President
March 20 1975
middot HAKRabin Memcon 950 a m - 1235 p m middot Report to the President bull HAK Rabin Memcon 5 30 - 645 p m bull Report to the President middot Checklist for Egypt middot HAKSadat Memcon 905 - 1145 p m
March 21 1975
middot Report to the President bull HAKRabin Memcon 145 - 400 p m middot Checklist for Israel middot HAK Rabin Memcon 1010 p m - 1210 a m
March 22 1975
bull Report to the President bull Checklist for Israel bull HAK Rabin Memcon 6 35 - 815 p m bull HAKRabin Memcon 10 35 p m - 1205 a m
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Saturday March 15
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Meeting with Sadat __ Sadatagrees (1) all disputes will be resolved by peaceful means (2) this is not a final step but a sjgnificant step towards peace (3) non-resort to force for duration of agreement (4) valid until superseded by another agreement (5) no linkage to Syria (6) annual renewal of UNEF (7) some jOint cornmissions in buffer zone 8 some selective de facto easing of boycott and other practices
Sadat wants some forward movenent of Egyptian line Garnasy proposes balanced disposition of forces after Egypti~ line moves forward
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Meeting with Negotiating Team
-- HAK reports Sadats proposals saying that if he can go back with basic cone epts settled Sadat would probably be flexible on other points
Dan Pattir backgrounder calls Egyptian proposals at first sight insufficient and unsatisfactory middotmiddotmiddoto
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Arrival Arnman
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Arrive Tel Aviv
Meeting with Negotiating Team
-- Cabinet sees livery little in Sadats proposals on main pointS (1) Non-use of force is only slight variation on disengagement agreement and is conditioned on peace process (2) On mov ement towards peace nothing new (3) no assurance of duration and no insurarlce against Soviet veto of UNEF Unless he does more on these three key issues I dont see what can be done (Rabin)
For renunciation of acts of bellig~ ency or acts of war Israel will give either passes or oil fields but not both Gamasys proposal (balance of forces) couH be consideredbull
HAK foresees bre~-up~~__ ~ __ _
Meetirg with Negotiating Team
-- Israel would leave passes and oil fields in exchange for renunciation of acts of belligerency and might cors ider Egyptian forces moving into present UN zone For non-use of force pledge Israel would pull back to western edge of passes and accept 3-party management of oil fields
-- Allan offers two strong formulations on renunciation of military paramilitary hostile__ and warlike actions and secondly permitting encouraging assisting or participatingU in same I
Depart for Aswan
1-1eeting with Sadat
-- Sadat rejects Allons formulations Ql non-use of force as going beyond non-belligerency
Meeting with Fahmy and Gamasy -- Fahmy says he will recommend new forrnshyulations on non-us e of force to Sadat tomorrow
Tuesday March 18
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Meeting with Sadat -- Sadat agrees (1) IIMideast crisis will be solved bullbullbull by peaceful meal SII (2) assurances to USG in agreement not to resort to force (3) agreement valid until superseded (4) Geneva will not interfere with agreement He is prepared to drop linkage to peace process Passes should be in UN zonel
with each sides forces at each entr ance No further concession on economic warfare
Depart for Tel Aviv
Meeting with Negotiating Team -- HAK reports that this is maximUIIl Sadat can do If it is accepted in princip1el rnaybe dr afting can be improved
Meeting with Negotiating TeaIrl -- Rabin says its II rnore thandoubtfu]u that Cabinet will accept Sadats position on the passe s
Secretarys Trip to Riyadh
Israeli Cabinet Meets
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Meeting with Israeli Negotiating Team
-- Israelis report results of yesterdays 10 hcu rs of Cabinet meetings (1) No chage in Israels non-use of force proposal (2) On duration still insist on cOmmitment even indirect on certain number of years (3) Line is in middle of the passes (4) 3-party management for Abu Rudeis (5) No increase in Egyptian forces now on East bank Rabin admits he told Cabinet this mean t 98 chance of break-up
-- HAK sees not the slightest attempt to deal with any of the points madebullbullbullbullovermany montns II He reads talking points approved by Pre sident Ford
Israeli Cabinet Meets
Meeting with Negotiating Team bull -- Cabinet agrees on (1) modification of non-us e of force provision (eliminating specific details of ~~ non-belligerency) which HAK believes is Hdoahie (2) No change in line s (3) Oil fields as civilian enclave and (4) Egypt must commit itself to renew -
UNEF at least 3 or 4 time$ -- --~ - - ~ -
-- HAK tells Isr~elis he sees no chance of his a~cmiddotepting this line
Depart for Aswan
Meeting with Sadat
-- Sadat accepts Israeli formulation on non-use d forceJ minus phrases about assistaDce II bull
Sadat rejects line through Inidyene of passesI proposes that each side be at entrancewitb UN occupying passes Re~ oil fie1dsJ Sadat rejects enclave and proposes demilitarized UN- supervised zone under Egyptian civil administration He proposes increase in numb~r of Egyptian forces on East bank from the present 71 000
11eeting with Sadat (conti1ued)
Sadat gives ora assurance to be conveyed to Israel that if Syria attacks Israel and this is confirmed by UN Egypt will not join
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Depart Aswan
Meeting wi th Negotiating Team -- HAllt reports Sadatl s counter-proposals Rabin says he would be unwilling to recommend this to the Cabinet IIBecause I believe Israel cannot in present circumstances in return for what is offered agree to withdraw fromJhepasses and from the oil fields and accept Egyptian Inovement forward of the blue line shy
Israeli Cabinet Meets -- Presidents letter to Rabin arrives and is read to Cabinet shy
Meeting with Negotiating Team -- Cabinet decision was basically to reaffirm its previous position Israelis prefel that no suspelshysion be announced but that negotiating teams reconvene 600 pm Saturday
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Meeting with Negotiating Team -- No change in Israeli position
Second Meeting with Negotiating Tecun
Announcement of suspension
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- to discuss with Sadat how ~ou envisage this trip volving and specificall~ how you intend to proshyeed in your initial stops in Damascus and Jerusashy
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the linkage to a Syrian negotiation covering the ollowing hypothetical spectrum
commitment to a Golan agreement by a specific date
commitment not tomiddotimplement a Sinai agreement until a Golan agreement is reached
commitment to start Golan negotiations by a specific date but not holding up conclusion of a Sinai agreement
commitment to an all-out US effort to reach a Golan agreement after a Sinai agreement is achieved
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should Golan negotiations be conducted as before or at Geneva
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annual rather than six month renewals
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- private US-Egyptian understanding that Egypt will not resume hostilities so long as Israel does not attack Egypt or Syria
3 ow you will proceed in Damascus and Jerusalem
- Damascus -- You will make a major effort to ersuade Asad that the only practical way to roceed and keep open possibilities for pro- ress on the Golan front is to first negotiate Sinai agreement You will also probe to see
hat is the minimum possible linkage that will eep Asad quiet
A key question here is whether Faisal can be persuaded to support the Sadat approach or will he th~ow his weight behind Asad What are Sadats views on Faisals position
I uerusalem -- You intend to give the Israelis 2 gour ideas the points contained in Fahmys paper
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- paragraph 8 delete during theduration of this agreement in the assurances that neither side will initiate military or paramilitary
operations against the other III Ii - delete paragraph 9 on the Syrian linkage
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Attached for your reference are the following documentsl
Tab A The paper Fahmy gave you in Cairo We have bracketed the two portions you have said you want to omit in your first presentation middotto the Israelis
Tab B The listo~ points which we drafted in Cairo during the last visit We assume Fahmy is familiar with this
Tab C The three letters we drafted in Cairo during the last trip
I bullFord-Sadat us will continue its pe~ce efforts iincl uding Syria
illh f k~ord-Sadat Israe as no 1ntent1on 0 attac 1ng its neighbors (We believ this phrase should e changed to Syria and Egypt
adat-Fords Egypt will not attack Israel
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to temonstrate their desire for peace namely that no roads
nor 1nstallations or equipment of the oilfields be destroyed
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Iwapl to assure you that once a further agreement is
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will continue to support and if desirable ani necessary
to engage itself directly in further efforts to achieve the
just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
Sinc~rely
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CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
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President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
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JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
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been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
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whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
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Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
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11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
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Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
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bull HAKRabin Memcon 845 - 1020 a m bull Report to the President
Checklist for Saudi Arabia middot HAKYamani Memcon 225 - 255 p m bull HAKFahd Memcon 300 - 425 pm bull HAK Faisal Memcon 4 30 - 5 30 p m middot Report to the President
March 20 1975
middot HAKRabin Memcon 950 a m - 1235 p m middot Report to the President bull HAK Rabin Memcon 5 30 - 645 p m bull Report to the President middot Checklist for Egypt middot HAKSadat Memcon 905 - 1145 p m
March 21 1975
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March 22 1975
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Meeting with Sadat __ Sadatagrees (1) all disputes will be resolved by peaceful means (2) this is not a final step but a sjgnificant step towards peace (3) non-resort to force for duration of agreement (4) valid until superseded by another agreement (5) no linkage to Syria (6) annual renewal of UNEF (7) some jOint cornmissions in buffer zone 8 some selective de facto easing of boycott and other practices
Sadat wants some forward movenent of Egyptian line Garnasy proposes balanced disposition of forces after Egypti~ line moves forward
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Meeting with Negotiating Team
-- HAK reports Sadats proposals saying that if he can go back with basic cone epts settled Sadat would probably be flexible on other points
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Arrive Tel Aviv
Meeting with Negotiating Team
-- Cabinet sees livery little in Sadats proposals on main pointS (1) Non-use of force is only slight variation on disengagement agreement and is conditioned on peace process (2) On mov ement towards peace nothing new (3) no assurance of duration and no insurarlce against Soviet veto of UNEF Unless he does more on these three key issues I dont see what can be done (Rabin)
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-- Israel would leave passes and oil fields in exchange for renunciation of acts of belligerency and might cors ider Egyptian forces moving into present UN zone For non-use of force pledge Israel would pull back to western edge of passes and accept 3-party management of oil fields
-- Allan offers two strong formulations on renunciation of military paramilitary hostile__ and warlike actions and secondly permitting encouraging assisting or participatingU in same I
Depart for Aswan
1-1eeting with Sadat
-- Sadat rejects Allons formulations Ql non-use of force as going beyond non-belligerency
Meeting with Fahmy and Gamasy -- Fahmy says he will recommend new forrnshyulations on non-us e of force to Sadat tomorrow
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with each sides forces at each entr ance No further concession on economic warfare
Depart for Tel Aviv
Meeting with Negotiating Team -- HAK reports that this is maximUIIl Sadat can do If it is accepted in princip1el rnaybe dr afting can be improved
Meeting with Negotiating TeaIrl -- Rabin says its II rnore thandoubtfu]u that Cabinet will accept Sadats position on the passe s
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Meeting with Israeli Negotiating Team
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- to discuss with Sadat how ~ou envisage this trip volving and specificall~ how you intend to proshyeed in your initial stops in Damascus and Jerusashy
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the linkage to a Syrian negotiation covering the ollowing hypothetical spectrum
commitment to a Golan agreement by a specific date
commitment not tomiddotimplement a Sinai agreement until a Golan agreement is reached
commitment to start Golan negotiations by a specific date but not holding up conclusion of a Sinai agreement
commitment to an all-out US effort to reach a Golan agreement after a Sinai agreement is achieved
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should Golan negotiations be conducted as before or at Geneva
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annual rather than six month renewals
how deal with Israeli desire for a specified period during which there will be no more withshy
drawal on the Egyptian front
the non-belligerency issue
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- private US-Egyptian understanding that Egypt will not resume hostilities so long as Israel does not attack Egypt or Syria
3 ow you will proceed in Damascus and Jerusalem
- Damascus -- You will make a major effort to ersuade Asad that the only practical way to roceed and keep open possibilities for pro- ress on the Golan front is to first negotiate Sinai agreement You will also probe to see
hat is the minimum possible linkage that will eep Asad quiet
A key question here is whether Faisal can be persuaded to support the Sadat approach or will he th~ow his weight behind Asad What are Sadats views on Faisals position
I uerusalem -- You intend to give the Israelis 2 gour ideas the points contained in Fahmys paper
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- paragraph 8 delete during theduration of this agreement in the assurances that neither side will initiate military or paramilitary
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Attached for your reference are the following documentsl
Tab A The paper Fahmy gave you in Cairo We have bracketed the two portions you have said you want to omit in your first presentation middotto the Israelis
Tab B The listo~ points which we drafted in Cairo during the last visit We assume Fahmy is familiar with this
Tab C The three letters we drafted in Cairo during the last trip
I bullFord-Sadat us will continue its pe~ce efforts iincl uding Syria
illh f k~ord-Sadat Israe as no 1ntent1on 0 attac 1ng its neighbors (We believ this phrase should e changed to Syria and Egypt
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Isrreli Mixed Armistice Agreement and they agree that the
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alibged violations by the parties to the present disen-II
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a further disengagement between Syria and Israel takes place
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to Igive to President Ford his assurances that Egypt will not
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Iwapl to assure you that once a further agreement is
achieved between Egy pt and Israel the United States
will continue to support and if desirable ani necessary
to engage itself directly in further efforts to achieve the
just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
Sinc~rely
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SUBJECT
LOCATION
TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
Washington DC 20520
CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
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President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
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SUf JECT Remarks to Press by Secretary Kissinger and
President Sadat following their second Meeting In
Aswan March 8 1975
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JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
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Question Mr Presl ent do you think enough progress h s
been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
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whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
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Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
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CHRONOLOG Y OF DECISIVE PHASE OF THE NEGOTIATION
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Meeting with Sadat __ Sadatagrees (1) all disputes will be resolved by peaceful means (2) this is not a final step but a sjgnificant step towards peace (3) non-resort to force for duration of agreement (4) valid until superseded by another agreement (5) no linkage to Syria (6) annual renewal of UNEF (7) some jOint cornmissions in buffer zone 8 some selective de facto easing of boycott and other practices
Sadat wants some forward movenent of Egyptian line Garnasy proposes balanced disposition of forces after Egypti~ line moves forward
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Meeting with Negotiating Team
-- Cabinet sees livery little in Sadats proposals on main pointS (1) Non-use of force is only slight variation on disengagement agreement and is conditioned on peace process (2) On mov ement towards peace nothing new (3) no assurance of duration and no insurarlce against Soviet veto of UNEF Unless he does more on these three key issues I dont see what can be done (Rabin)
For renunciation of acts of bellig~ ency or acts of war Israel will give either passes or oil fields but not both Gamasys proposal (balance of forces) couH be consideredbull
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-- Israel would leave passes and oil fields in exchange for renunciation of acts of belligerency and might cors ider Egyptian forces moving into present UN zone For non-use of force pledge Israel would pull back to western edge of passes and accept 3-party management of oil fields
-- Allan offers two strong formulations on renunciation of military paramilitary hostile__ and warlike actions and secondly permitting encouraging assisting or participatingU in same I
Depart for Aswan
1-1eeting with Sadat
-- Sadat rejects Allons formulations Ql non-use of force as going beyond non-belligerency
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with each sides forces at each entr ance No further concession on economic warfare
Depart for Tel Aviv
Meeting with Negotiating Team -- HAK reports that this is maximUIIl Sadat can do If it is accepted in princip1el rnaybe dr afting can be improved
Meeting with Negotiating TeaIrl -- Rabin says its II rnore thandoubtfu]u that Cabinet will accept Sadats position on the passe s
Secretarys Trip to Riyadh
Israeli Cabinet Meets
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-- Israelis report results of yesterdays 10 hcu rs of Cabinet meetings (1) No chage in Israels non-use of force proposal (2) On duration still insist on cOmmitment even indirect on certain number of years (3) Line is in middle of the passes (4) 3-party management for Abu Rudeis (5) No increase in Egyptian forces now on East bank Rabin admits he told Cabinet this mean t 98 chance of break-up
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Meeting with Negotiating Team bull -- Cabinet agrees on (1) modification of non-us e of force provision (eliminating specific details of ~~ non-belligerency) which HAK believes is Hdoahie (2) No change in line s (3) Oil fields as civilian enclave and (4) Egypt must commit itself to renew -
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Sadat gives ora assurance to be conveyed to Israel that if Syria attacks Israel and this is confirmed by UN Egypt will not join
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Meeting wi th Negotiating Team -- HAllt reports Sadatl s counter-proposals Rabin says he would be unwilling to recommend this to the Cabinet IIBecause I believe Israel cannot in present circumstances in return for what is offered agree to withdraw fromJhepasses and from the oil fields and accept Egyptian Inovement forward of the blue line shy
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Second Meeting with Negotiating Tecun
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- to discuss with Sadat how ~ou envisage this trip volving and specificall~ how you intend to proshyeed in your initial stops in Damascus and Jerusashy
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the linkage to a Syrian negotiation covering the ollowing hypothetical spectrum
commitment to a Golan agreement by a specific date
commitment not tomiddotimplement a Sinai agreement until a Golan agreement is reached
commitment to start Golan negotiations by a specific date but not holding up conclusion of a Sinai agreement
commitment to an all-out US effort to reach a Golan agreement after a Sinai agreement is achieved
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- private US-Egyptian understanding that Egypt will not resume hostilities so long as Israel does not attack Egypt or Syria
3 ow you will proceed in Damascus and Jerusalem
- Damascus -- You will make a major effort to ersuade Asad that the only practical way to roceed and keep open possibilities for pro- ress on the Golan front is to first negotiate Sinai agreement You will also probe to see
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I uerusalem -- You intend to give the Israelis 2 gour ideas the points contained in Fahmys paper
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Attached for your reference are the following documentsl
Tab A The paper Fahmy gave you in Cairo We have bracketed the two portions you have said you want to omit in your first presentation middotto the Israelis
Tab B The listo~ points which we drafted in Cairo during the last visit We assume Fahmy is familiar with this
Tab C The three letters we drafted in Cairo during the last trip
I bullFord-Sadat us will continue its pe~ce efforts iincl uding Syria
illh f k~ord-Sadat Israe as no 1ntent1on 0 attac 1ng its neighbors (We believ this phrase should e changed to Syria and Egypt
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Iwapl to assure you that once a further agreement is
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will continue to support and if desirable ani necessary
to engage itself directly in further efforts to achieve the
just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
Sinc~rely
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TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
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CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
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President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
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President Sadat following their second Meeting In
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JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
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been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
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this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
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Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
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11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
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Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
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always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
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Sunday March 16
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Arrive Tel Aviv
Meeting with Negotiating Team
-- Cabinet sees livery little in Sadats proposals on main pointS (1) Non-use of force is only slight variation on disengagement agreement and is conditioned on peace process (2) On mov ement towards peace nothing new (3) no assurance of duration and no insurarlce against Soviet veto of UNEF Unless he does more on these three key issues I dont see what can be done (Rabin)
For renunciation of acts of bellig~ ency or acts of war Israel will give either passes or oil fields but not both Gamasys proposal (balance of forces) couH be consideredbull
HAK foresees bre~-up~~__ ~ __ _
Meetirg with Negotiating Team
-- Israel would leave passes and oil fields in exchange for renunciation of acts of belligerency and might cors ider Egyptian forces moving into present UN zone For non-use of force pledge Israel would pull back to western edge of passes and accept 3-party management of oil fields
-- Allan offers two strong formulations on renunciation of military paramilitary hostile__ and warlike actions and secondly permitting encouraging assisting or participatingU in same I
Depart for Aswan
1-1eeting with Sadat
-- Sadat rejects Allons formulations Ql non-use of force as going beyond non-belligerency
Meeting with Fahmy and Gamasy -- Fahmy says he will recommend new forrnshyulations on non-us e of force to Sadat tomorrow
Tuesday March 18
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Meeting with Sadat -- Sadat agrees (1) IIMideast crisis will be solved bullbullbull by peaceful meal SII (2) assurances to USG in agreement not to resort to force (3) agreement valid until superseded (4) Geneva will not interfere with agreement He is prepared to drop linkage to peace process Passes should be in UN zonel
with each sides forces at each entr ance No further concession on economic warfare
Depart for Tel Aviv
Meeting with Negotiating Team -- HAK reports that this is maximUIIl Sadat can do If it is accepted in princip1el rnaybe dr afting can be improved
Meeting with Negotiating TeaIrl -- Rabin says its II rnore thandoubtfu]u that Cabinet will accept Sadats position on the passe s
Secretarys Trip to Riyadh
Israeli Cabinet Meets
Israeli Cabinet Meets
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Meeting with Israeli Negotiating Team
-- Israelis report results of yesterdays 10 hcu rs of Cabinet meetings (1) No chage in Israels non-use of force proposal (2) On duration still insist on cOmmitment even indirect on certain number of years (3) Line is in middle of the passes (4) 3-party management for Abu Rudeis (5) No increase in Egyptian forces now on East bank Rabin admits he told Cabinet this mean t 98 chance of break-up
-- HAK sees not the slightest attempt to deal with any of the points madebullbullbullbullovermany montns II He reads talking points approved by Pre sident Ford
Israeli Cabinet Meets
Meeting with Negotiating Team bull -- Cabinet agrees on (1) modification of non-us e of force provision (eliminating specific details of ~~ non-belligerency) which HAK believes is Hdoahie (2) No change in line s (3) Oil fields as civilian enclave and (4) Egypt must commit itself to renew -
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-- HAK tells Isr~elis he sees no chance of his a~cmiddotepting this line
Depart for Aswan
Meeting with Sadat
-- Sadat accepts Israeli formulation on non-use d forceJ minus phrases about assistaDce II bull
Sadat rejects line through Inidyene of passesI proposes that each side be at entrancewitb UN occupying passes Re~ oil fie1dsJ Sadat rejects enclave and proposes demilitarized UN- supervised zone under Egyptian civil administration He proposes increase in numb~r of Egyptian forces on East bank from the present 71 000
11eeting with Sadat (conti1ued)
Sadat gives ora assurance to be conveyed to Israel that if Syria attacks Israel and this is confirmed by UN Egypt will not join
Friday March 21
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Depart Aswan
Meeting wi th Negotiating Team -- HAllt reports Sadatl s counter-proposals Rabin says he would be unwilling to recommend this to the Cabinet IIBecause I believe Israel cannot in present circumstances in return for what is offered agree to withdraw fromJhepasses and from the oil fields and accept Egyptian Inovement forward of the blue line shy
Israeli Cabinet Meets -- Presidents letter to Rabin arrives and is read to Cabinet shy
Meeting with Negotiating Team -- Cabinet decision was basically to reaffirm its previous position Israelis prefel that no suspelshysion be announced but that negotiating teams reconvene 600 pm Saturday
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Meeting with Negotiating Team -- No change in Israeli position
Second Meeting with Negotiating Tecun
Announcement of suspension
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to see if there has been any further refinement or evolution of Egyptian thinking as reflected in the paper Fahmy gave you on the last trip (Tab A) bull
to in~icate to Sadat what you think is the minishy
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- to discuss with Sadat how ~ou envisage this trip volving and specificall~ how you intend to proshyeed in your initial stops in Damascus and Jerusashy
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the linkage to a Syrian negotiation covering the ollowing hypothetical spectrum
commitment to a Golan agreement by a specific date
commitment not tomiddotimplement a Sinai agreement until a Golan agreement is reached
commitment to start Golan negotiations by a specific date but not holding up conclusion of a Sinai agreement
commitment to an all-out US effort to reach a Golan agreement after a Sinai agreement is achieved
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should Golan negotiations be conducted as before or at Geneva
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annual rather than six month renewals
how deal with Israeli desire for a specified period during which there will be no more withshy
drawal on the Egyptian front
the non-belligerency issue
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- public commitment to observe ceasefire while j negotiations continue
- private US-Egyptian understanding that Egypt will not resume hostilities so long as Israel does not attack Egypt or Syria
3 ow you will proceed in Damascus and Jerusalem
- Damascus -- You will make a major effort to ersuade Asad that the only practical way to roceed and keep open possibilities for pro- ress on the Golan front is to first negotiate Sinai agreement You will also probe to see
hat is the minimum possible linkage that will eep Asad quiet
A key question here is whether Faisal can be persuaded to support the Sadat approach or will he th~ow his weight behind Asad What are Sadats views on Faisals position
I uerusalem -- You intend to give the Israelis 2 gour ideas the points contained in Fahmys paper
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- paragraph 8 delete during theduration of this agreement in the assurances that neither side will initiate military or paramilitary
operations against the other III Ii - delete paragraph 9 on the Syrian linkage
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Attached for your reference are the following documentsl
Tab A The paper Fahmy gave you in Cairo We have bracketed the two portions you have said you want to omit in your first presentation middotto the Israelis
Tab B The listo~ points which we drafted in Cairo during the last visit We assume Fahmy is familiar with this
Tab C The three letters we drafted in Cairo during the last trip
I bullFord-Sadat us will continue its pe~ce efforts iincl uding Syria
illh f k~ord-Sadat Israe as no 1ntent1on 0 attac 1ng its neighbors (We believ this phrase should e changed to Syria and Egypt
adat-Fords Egypt will not attack Israel
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Israeli forces to the east of the p~sses and from all ~
the oilfields including the town of El Tor
2-1 The IsraeLi withdrawal will be implemented in such I I
a nner as to indicate the willingness of the Israelis
to temonstrate their desire for peace namely that no roads
nor 1nstallations or equipment of the oilfields be destroyed
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01 he remaining occupied part of Sinai
I he United N~tions Zone will be subject of agreement
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lO~p as this agreement is valid and efforts towards a
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7shy gypt and Israel are ready to reactivate the Egyptian-
Isrreli Mixed Armistice Agreement and they agree that the
Mixed Armistice Commission resume its work to consider
alibged violations by the parties to the present disen-II
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wri~ing to the United States that it will not undertake 1 I I
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ISfreli Mixed Armistice Agreement and they agree that the
MiX~d Armistice Commission resume its work to consider
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l~r In addition Egypt if attacked by Iarael will exeroise ita oF
r i 9ht toll self-defence under article S1 of the UN Charter
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that it will engage itsself in an active process of negoti shy
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a further disengagement between Syria and Israel takes place
~e~ore the middle of 1975 President Sadat would be prepared
to Igive to President Ford his assurances that Egypt will not
vi11ate the Disengagement Agreement reached between
Isxael as long as the efforts pertaining to further pr09ress
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Iwapl to assure you that once a further agreement is
achieved between Egy pt and Israel the United States
will continue to support and if desirable ani necessary
to engage itself directly in further efforts to achieve the
just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
Sinc~rely
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I am informing yfJU th~t I hnve received Ilaaurencea from
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peae it dO~(I uot intend to at~ncK its Arab neighbors 08 long
as all (oncernen -bide ly the cet4sefirc )4esolution adopted by
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MEMORANDUM OF
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SUBJECT
LOCATION
TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
Washington DC 20520
CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
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President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
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SUf JECT Remarks to Press by Secretary Kissinger and
President Sadat following their second Meeting In
Aswan March 8 1975
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JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
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been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
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whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
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Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
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11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
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always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
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with each sides forces at each entr ance No further concession on economic warfare
Depart for Tel Aviv
Meeting with Negotiating Team -- HAK reports that this is maximUIIl Sadat can do If it is accepted in princip1el rnaybe dr afting can be improved
Meeting with Negotiating TeaIrl -- Rabin says its II rnore thandoubtfu]u that Cabinet will accept Sadats position on the passe s
Secretarys Trip to Riyadh
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Israeli Cabinet Meets
Meeting with Negotiating Team bull -- Cabinet agrees on (1) modification of non-us e of force provision (eliminating specific details of ~~ non-belligerency) which HAK believes is Hdoahie (2) No change in line s (3) Oil fields as civilian enclave and (4) Egypt must commit itself to renew -
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Sadat gives ora assurance to be conveyed to Israel that if Syria attacks Israel and this is confirmed by UN Egypt will not join
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Meeting wi th Negotiating Team -- HAllt reports Sadatl s counter-proposals Rabin says he would be unwilling to recommend this to the Cabinet IIBecause I believe Israel cannot in present circumstances in return for what is offered agree to withdraw fromJhepasses and from the oil fields and accept Egyptian Inovement forward of the blue line shy
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Second Meeting with Negotiating Tecun
Announcement of suspension
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- to discuss with Sadat how ~ou envisage this trip volving and specificall~ how you intend to proshyeed in your initial stops in Damascus and Jerusashy
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the linkage to a Syrian negotiation covering the ollowing hypothetical spectrum
commitment to a Golan agreement by a specific date
commitment not tomiddotimplement a Sinai agreement until a Golan agreement is reached
commitment to start Golan negotiations by a specific date but not holding up conclusion of a Sinai agreement
commitment to an all-out US effort to reach a Golan agreement after a Sinai agreement is achieved
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- private US-Egyptian understanding that Egypt will not resume hostilities so long as Israel does not attack Egypt or Syria
3 ow you will proceed in Damascus and Jerusalem
- Damascus -- You will make a major effort to ersuade Asad that the only practical way to roceed and keep open possibilities for pro- ress on the Golan front is to first negotiate Sinai agreement You will also probe to see
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A key question here is whether Faisal can be persuaded to support the Sadat approach or will he th~ow his weight behind Asad What are Sadats views on Faisals position
I uerusalem -- You intend to give the Israelis 2 gour ideas the points contained in Fahmys paper
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Attached for your reference are the following documentsl
Tab A The paper Fahmy gave you in Cairo We have bracketed the two portions you have said you want to omit in your first presentation middotto the Israelis
Tab B The listo~ points which we drafted in Cairo during the last visit We assume Fahmy is familiar with this
Tab C The three letters we drafted in Cairo during the last trip
I bullFord-Sadat us will continue its pe~ce efforts iincl uding Syria
illh f k~ord-Sadat Israe as no 1ntent1on 0 attac 1ng its neighbors (We believ this phrase should e changed to Syria and Egypt
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to Igive to President Ford his assurances that Egypt will not
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Iwapl to assure you that once a further agreement is
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will continue to support and if desirable ani necessary
to engage itself directly in further efforts to achieve the
just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
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CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
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President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
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JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
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Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
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nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
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working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
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this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
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Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
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11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
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Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
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always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
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Israeli Cabinet Meets
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Sadat gives ora assurance to be conveyed to Israel that if Syria attacks Israel and this is confirmed by UN Egypt will not join
Friday March 21
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Meeting wi th Negotiating Team -- HAllt reports Sadatl s counter-proposals Rabin says he would be unwilling to recommend this to the Cabinet IIBecause I believe Israel cannot in present circumstances in return for what is offered agree to withdraw fromJhepasses and from the oil fields and accept Egyptian Inovement forward of the blue line shy
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Meeting with Negotiating Team -- Cabinet decision was basically to reaffirm its previous position Israelis prefel that no suspelshysion be announced but that negotiating teams reconvene 600 pm Saturday
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Meeting with Negotiating Team -- No change in Israeli position
Second Meeting with Negotiating Tecun
Announcement of suspension
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- to discuss with Sadat how ~ou envisage this trip volving and specificall~ how you intend to proshyeed in your initial stops in Damascus and Jerusashy
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the linkage to a Syrian negotiation covering the ollowing hypothetical spectrum
commitment to a Golan agreement by a specific date
commitment not tomiddotimplement a Sinai agreement until a Golan agreement is reached
commitment to start Golan negotiations by a specific date but not holding up conclusion of a Sinai agreement
commitment to an all-out US effort to reach a Golan agreement after a Sinai agreement is achieved
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- private US-Egyptian understanding that Egypt will not resume hostilities so long as Israel does not attack Egypt or Syria
3 ow you will proceed in Damascus and Jerusalem
- Damascus -- You will make a major effort to ersuade Asad that the only practical way to roceed and keep open possibilities for pro- ress on the Golan front is to first negotiate Sinai agreement You will also probe to see
hat is the minimum possible linkage that will eep Asad quiet
A key question here is whether Faisal can be persuaded to support the Sadat approach or will he th~ow his weight behind Asad What are Sadats views on Faisals position
I uerusalem -- You intend to give the Israelis 2 gour ideas the points contained in Fahmys paper
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Attached for your reference are the following documentsl
Tab A The paper Fahmy gave you in Cairo We have bracketed the two portions you have said you want to omit in your first presentation middotto the Israelis
Tab B The listo~ points which we drafted in Cairo during the last visit We assume Fahmy is familiar with this
Tab C The three letters we drafted in Cairo during the last trip
I bullFord-Sadat us will continue its pe~ce efforts iincl uding Syria
illh f k~ord-Sadat Israe as no 1ntent1on 0 attac 1ng its neighbors (We believ this phrase should e changed to Syria and Egypt
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to temonstrate their desire for peace namely that no roads
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Iwapl to assure you that once a further agreement is
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will continue to support and if desirable ani necessary
to engage itself directly in further efforts to achieve the
just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
Sinc~rely
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CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
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President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
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JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
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been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
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nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
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working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
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in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
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Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
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11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
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Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
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11eeting with Sadat (conti1ued)
Sadat gives ora assurance to be conveyed to Israel that if Syria attacks Israel and this is confirmed by UN Egypt will not join
Friday March 21
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430 - 930 pm
1010 pm - Midnight
Depart Aswan
Meeting wi th Negotiating Team -- HAllt reports Sadatl s counter-proposals Rabin says he would be unwilling to recommend this to the Cabinet IIBecause I believe Israel cannot in present circumstances in return for what is offered agree to withdraw fromJhepasses and from the oil fields and accept Egyptian Inovement forward of the blue line shy
Israeli Cabinet Meets -- Presidents letter to Rabin arrives and is read to Cabinet shy
Meeting with Negotiating Team -- Cabinet decision was basically to reaffirm its previous position Israelis prefel that no suspelshysion be announced but that negotiating teams reconvene 600 pm Saturday
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Meeting with Negotiating Team -- No change in Israeli position
Second Meeting with Negotiating Tecun
Announcement of suspension
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- to discuss with Sadat how ~ou envisage this trip volving and specificall~ how you intend to proshyeed in your initial stops in Damascus and Jerusashy
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the linkage to a Syrian negotiation covering the ollowing hypothetical spectrum
commitment to a Golan agreement by a specific date
commitment not tomiddotimplement a Sinai agreement until a Golan agreement is reached
commitment to start Golan negotiations by a specific date but not holding up conclusion of a Sinai agreement
commitment to an all-out US effort to reach a Golan agreement after a Sinai agreement is achieved
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how deal with Israeli desire for a specified period during which there will be no more withshy
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- private US-Egyptian understanding that Egypt will not resume hostilities so long as Israel does not attack Egypt or Syria
3 ow you will proceed in Damascus and Jerusalem
- Damascus -- You will make a major effort to ersuade Asad that the only practical way to roceed and keep open possibilities for pro- ress on the Golan front is to first negotiate Sinai agreement You will also probe to see
hat is the minimum possible linkage that will eep Asad quiet
A key question here is whether Faisal can be persuaded to support the Sadat approach or will he th~ow his weight behind Asad What are Sadats views on Faisals position
I uerusalem -- You intend to give the Israelis 2 gour ideas the points contained in Fahmys paper
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Attached for your reference are the following documentsl
Tab A The paper Fahmy gave you in Cairo We have bracketed the two portions you have said you want to omit in your first presentation middotto the Israelis
Tab B The listo~ points which we drafted in Cairo during the last visit We assume Fahmy is familiar with this
Tab C The three letters we drafted in Cairo during the last trip
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illh f k~ord-Sadat Israe as no 1ntent1on 0 attac 1ng its neighbors (We believ this phrase should e changed to Syria and Egypt
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to temonstrate their desire for peace namely that no roads
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Iwapl to assure you that once a further agreement is
achieved between Egy pt and Israel the United States
will continue to support and if desirable ani necessary
to engage itself directly in further efforts to achieve the
just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
Sinc~rely
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CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
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President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
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JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
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been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
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in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
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cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
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Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
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this time it is harder It i9 true
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want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
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the linkage to a Syrian negotiation covering the ollowing hypothetical spectrum
commitment to a Golan agreement by a specific date
commitment not tomiddotimplement a Sinai agreement until a Golan agreement is reached
commitment to start Golan negotiations by a specific date but not holding up conclusion of a Sinai agreement
commitment to an all-out US effort to reach a Golan agreement after a Sinai agreement is achieved
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- private US-Egyptian understanding that Egypt will not resume hostilities so long as Israel does not attack Egypt or Syria
3 ow you will proceed in Damascus and Jerusalem
- Damascus -- You will make a major effort to ersuade Asad that the only practical way to roceed and keep open possibilities for pro- ress on the Golan front is to first negotiate Sinai agreement You will also probe to see
hat is the minimum possible linkage that will eep Asad quiet
A key question here is whether Faisal can be persuaded to support the Sadat approach or will he th~ow his weight behind Asad What are Sadats views on Faisals position
I uerusalem -- You intend to give the Israelis 2 gour ideas the points contained in Fahmys paper
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Attached for your reference are the following documentsl
Tab A The paper Fahmy gave you in Cairo We have bracketed the two portions you have said you want to omit in your first presentation middotto the Israelis
Tab B The listo~ points which we drafted in Cairo during the last visit We assume Fahmy is familiar with this
Tab C The three letters we drafted in Cairo during the last trip
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Iwapl to assure you that once a further agreement is
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will continue to support and if desirable ani necessary
to engage itself directly in further efforts to achieve the
just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
Sinc~rely
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CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
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President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
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JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
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been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
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in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
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Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
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this time it is harder It i9 true
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want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
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Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
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nit States
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always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
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commitment to a Golan agreement by a specific date
commitment not tomiddotimplement a Sinai agreement until a Golan agreement is reached
commitment to start Golan negotiations by a specific date but not holding up conclusion of a Sinai agreement
commitment to an all-out US effort to reach a Golan agreement after a Sinai agreement is achieved
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Attached for your reference are the following documentsl
Tab A The paper Fahmy gave you in Cairo We have bracketed the two portions you have said you want to omit in your first presentation middotto the Israelis
Tab B The listo~ points which we drafted in Cairo during the last visit We assume Fahmy is familiar with this
Tab C The three letters we drafted in Cairo during the last trip
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Iwapl to assure you that once a further agreement is
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will continue to support and if desirable ani necessary
to engage itself directly in further efforts to achieve the
just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
Sinc~rely
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MEMORANDUM OF
PARTICIPANTS
SUBJECT
LOCATION
TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
Washington DC 20520
CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
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President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
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SUf JECT Remarks to Press by Secretary Kissinger and
President Sadat following their second Meeting In
Aswan March 8 1975
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JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
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Question Mr Presl ent do you think enough progress h s
been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
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in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
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11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
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Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
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the duration of th~ agreement which has several aspects
-- how ~xpressed in the agreement ~ open-ende~
or for a specified period
~ how related to the UNEF mandate question shy
annual rather than six month renewals
how deal with Israeli desire for a specified period during which there will be no more withshy
drawal on the Egyptian front
the non-belligerency issue
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- public commitment to observe ceasefire while j negotiations continue
- private US-Egyptian understanding that Egypt will not resume hostilities so long as Israel does not attack Egypt or Syria
3 ow you will proceed in Damascus and Jerusalem
- Damascus -- You will make a major effort to ersuade Asad that the only practical way to roceed and keep open possibilities for pro- ress on the Golan front is to first negotiate Sinai agreement You will also probe to see
hat is the minimum possible linkage that will eep Asad quiet
A key question here is whether Faisal can be persuaded to support the Sadat approach or will he th~ow his weight behind Asad What are Sadats views on Faisals position
I uerusalem -- You intend to give the Israelis 2 gour ideas the points contained in Fahmys paper
inus the following
- paragraph 8 delete during theduration of this agreement in the assurances that neither side will initiate military or paramilitary
operations against the other III Ii - delete paragraph 9 on the Syrian linkage
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SBCRE~(NODIS 3
Attached for your reference are the following documentsl
Tab A The paper Fahmy gave you in Cairo We have bracketed the two portions you have said you want to omit in your first presentation middotto the Israelis
Tab B The listo~ points which we drafted in Cairo during the last visit We assume Fahmy is familiar with this
Tab C The three letters we drafted in Cairo during the last trip
I bullFord-Sadat us will continue its pe~ce efforts iincl uding Syria
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Israeli forces to the east of the p~sses and from all ~
the oilfields including the town of El Tor
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a nner as to indicate the willingness of the Israelis
to temonstrate their desire for peace namely that no roads
nor 1nstallations or equipment of the oilfields be destroyed
I or jranSfered from their present location either to Israel
01 he remaining occupied part of Sinai
I he United N~tions Zone will be subject of agreement
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Isrreli Mixed Armistice Agreement and they agree that the
Mixed Armistice Commission resume its work to consider
alibged violations by the parties to the present disen-II
garime~t agreement j
8-~hOUld Israel give a formal guarantee or assurance in
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Iwapl to assure you that once a further agreement is
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will continue to support and if desirable ani necessary
to engage itself directly in further efforts to achieve the
just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
Sinc~rely
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MEMORANDUM OF
PARTICIPANTS
SUBJECT
LOCATION
TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
Washington DC 20520
CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
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President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
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SUf JECT Remarks to Press by Secretary Kissinger and
President Sadat following their second Meeting In
Aswan March 8 1975
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JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
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Question Mr Presl ent do you think enough progress h s
been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
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whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
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Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
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Attached for your reference are the following documentsl
Tab A The paper Fahmy gave you in Cairo We have bracketed the two portions you have said you want to omit in your first presentation middotto the Israelis
Tab B The listo~ points which we drafted in Cairo during the last visit We assume Fahmy is familiar with this
Tab C The three letters we drafted in Cairo during the last trip
I bullFord-Sadat us will continue its pe~ce efforts iincl uding Syria
illh f k~ord-Sadat Israe as no 1ntent1on 0 attac 1ng its neighbors (We believ this phrase should e changed to Syria and Egypt
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Israeli forces to the east of the p~sses and from all ~
the oilfields including the town of El Tor
2-1 The IsraeLi withdrawal will be implemented in such I I
a nner as to indicate the willingness of the Israelis
to temonstrate their desire for peace namely that no roads
nor 1nstallations or equipment of the oilfields be destroyed
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01 he remaining occupied part of Sinai
I he United N~tions Zone will be subject of agreement
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that it will engage itsself in an active process of negoti shy
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a further disengagement between Syria and Israel takes place
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to Igive to President Ford his assurances that Egypt will not
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Iwapl to assure you that once a further agreement is
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just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
Sinc~rely
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SUBJECT
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TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
Washington DC 20520
CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
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President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
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JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
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been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
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nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
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in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
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Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
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1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
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this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
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Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
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always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
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SLIENT POINTS RELATED TO A SECOND DISENGAGEMENT A~ 7S I
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Israeli forces to the east of the p~sses and from all ~
the oilfields including the town of El Tor
2-1 The IsraeLi withdrawal will be implemented in such I I
a nner as to indicate the willingness of the Israelis
to temonstrate their desire for peace namely that no roads
nor 1nstallations or equipment of the oilfields be destroyed
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01 he remaining occupied part of Sinai
I he United N~tions Zone will be subject of agreement
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which the mandate of UNEF will be extended annually as j
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just and peaceful settlement continue lt
7shy gypt and Israel are ready to reactivate the Egyptian-
Isrreli Mixed Armistice Agreement and they agree that the
Mixed Armistice Commission resume its work to consider
alibged violations by the parties to the present disen-II
garime~t agreement j
8-~hOUld Israel give a formal guarantee or assurance in
wri~ing to the United States that it will not undertake 1 I I
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ISfreli Mixed Armistice Agreement and they agree that the
MiX~d Armistice Commission resume its work to consider
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l~r In addition Egypt if attacked by Iarael will exeroise ita oF
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that it will engage itsself in an active process of negoti shy
ations with a view to reach a second Disengagement agreement
onithe Syrian front and if the President of the United States I
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a further disengagement between Syria and Israel takes place
~e~ore the middle of 1975 President Sadat would be prepared
to Igive to President Ford his assurances that Egypt will not
vi11ate the Disengagement Agreement reached between
Isxael as long as the efforts pertaining to further pr09ress
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bnls~me ~merican firms ~ and that on ~ selective basis _
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agreement lIill be ~~Qred to except a8 altered by this
lLgrecmont
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Iwapl to assure you that once a further agreement is
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will continue to support and if desirable ani necessary
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just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
Sinc~rely
Gerald R Ford
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peae it dO~(I uot intend to at~ncK its Arab neighbors 08 long
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MEMORANDUM OF
PARTICIPANTS
SUBJECT
LOCATION
TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
Washington DC 20520
CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
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President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
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SUf JECT Remarks to Press by Secretary Kissinger and
President Sadat following their second Meeting In
Aswan March 8 1975
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JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
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Question Mr Presl ent do you think enough progress h s
been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
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whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
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in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
re
Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
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to Igive to President Ford his assurances that Egypt will not
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Iwapl to assure you that once a further agreement is
achieved between Egy pt and Israel the United States
will continue to support and if desirable ani necessary
to engage itself directly in further efforts to achieve the
just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
Sinc~rely
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peae it dO~(I uot intend to at~ncK its Arab neighbors 08 long
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SUBJECT
LOCATION
TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
Washington DC 20520
CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
SECREP(NODIS
-SECREP-NOD I S )
President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
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EO 11652 NjA
TA( OVIP (KISSINGER H
SUf JECT Remarks to Press by Secretary Kissinger and
President Sadat following their second Meeting In
Aswan March 8 1975
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Q - MR SISCO
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remarks
JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
UNCLASSIFIED C Wellon
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JJ di l1 In Ide n
-z~ I d nt think t origin f tl
1 ments is of decisive Import1nce
Question Mr Presl ent do you think enough progress h s
been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
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nt ad t 11 I II n t y thi
or ~ bull iiIx sui it a ~cnr before when [ mct Or Kissinger
whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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n nsi n u fi t fu
n I n ft r til t t1 di 1I 9 it
Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
L ~
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UNCLASSIFIED CIIfI~tlon
ny]n in r t ttu l in itatI I)
Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
re
Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
KISSINGER ~
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that it will engage itsself in an active process of negoti shy
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~e~ore the middle of 1975 President Sadat would be prepared
to Igive to President Ford his assurances that Egypt will not
vi11ate the Disengagement Agreement reached between
Isxael as long as the efforts pertaining to further pr09ress
It~ards a just and durable peace are continuing t7
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Dear Mr President
Iwapl to assure you that once a further agreement is
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will continue to support and if desirable ani necessary
to engage itself directly in further efforts to achieve the
just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
Sinc~rely
Gerald R Ford
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peae it dO~(I uot intend to at~ncK its Arab neighbors 08 long
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MEMORANDUM OF
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SUBJECT
LOCATION
TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
Washington DC 20520
CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
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President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
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SUf JECT Remarks to Press by Secretary Kissinger and
President Sadat following their second Meeting In
Aswan March 8 1975
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JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
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been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
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whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
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Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
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Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
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agreement but will fulfill its obligation towards syria
l~r In addition Egypt if attacked by Iarael will exeroise ita oF
r i 9ht toll self-defence under article S1 of the UN Charter
middotG- Should Israel give solemn assurances to the United State
that it will engage itsself in an active process of negoti shy
ations with a view to reach a second Disengagement agreement
onithe Syrian front and if the President of the United States I
gi~es his assurances tOPresident Sadat that the United stat I
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Goiernment will actively dePlOY its efforts and weight
a further disengagement between Syria and Israel takes place
~e~ore the middle of 1975 President Sadat would be prepared
to Igive to President Ford his assurances that Egypt will not
vi11ate the Disengagement Agreement reached between
Isxael as long as the efforts pertaining to further pr09ress
It~ards a just and durable peace are continuing t7
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lO~I Moreover Egypt is prepared to go to Geneva to dis~uss Iwitlt the parties concerned the conditions for a final just
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called tor 17 the UN Security CooncU and rcfra11 from all i
llo~itHc ~ctioib n~ainst one Anothor
2 There would lie a tiltPmc-nt in the Agreement tllollt 1 i
o 1GUtUtC 4 further step towarus peace and dJat funher
o oaaLons to this ltd would 1gt0 unJermkcn by tIlo two sidesfImiddot Tho mHlury fOA7CCu of Egypt anll Israel wIll 00 dCploicU
tn ccoldancc -v1th the followln~ principlesI
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1tiOnlng of t110 UnIted Natio-1G Emorg~ncy I-oreo (UNEF) in
~Iar between Uno A and UnC non tile attached roap 0 II
4~hlst ill tlc implementation of this agrccment I II
4 I Both sioea would arrcc th1t U10 sizo of tbe force would
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will continue to support and if desirable ani necessary
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just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
Sinc~rely
Gerald R Ford
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peae it dO~(I uot intend to at~ncK its Arab neighbors 08 long
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SUBJECT
LOCATION
TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
Washington DC 20520
CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
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President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
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President Sadat following their second Meeting In
Aswan March 8 1975
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today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
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been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
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Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
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whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
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in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
re
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nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
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will continue to support and if desirable ani necessary
to engage itself directly in further efforts to achieve the
just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
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MEMORANDUM OF
PARTICIPANTS
SUBJECT
LOCATION
TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
Washington DC 20520
CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
SECREP(NODIS
-SECREP-NOD I S )
President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
SECREPNODIS
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EO 11652 NjA
TA( OVIP (KISSINGER H
SUf JECT Remarks to Press by Secretary Kissinger and
President Sadat following their second Meeting In
Aswan March 8 1975
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REF STATE 24911
Q - MR SISCO
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remarks
JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
UNCLASSIFIED C Wellon
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JJ di l1 In Ide n
-z~ I d nt think t origin f tl
1 ments is of decisive Import1nce
Question Mr Presl ent do you think enough progress h s
been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
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or ~ bull iiIx sui it a ~cnr before when [ mct Or Kissinger
whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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n nsi n u fi t fu
n I n ft r til t t1 di 1I 9 it
Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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UNCLASSIFIED CIIfI~tlon
ny]n in r t ttu l in itatI I)
Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
re
Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
KISSINGER ~
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Gerald R Ford Presidential Library and Museum wwwfordlibrarymuseumgov
Library 1000 Beal Ave Ann Arbor MI48109 (734) 205-0555 fax (734) 205-0571 Museum 303 Pearl Street NW Grand Rapids MI49504 (616) 254-0400 fax (616) 254-0386
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called tor 17 the UN Security CooncU and rcfra11 from all i
llo~itHc ~ctioib n~ainst one Anothor
2 There would lie a tiltPmc-nt in the Agreement tllollt 1 i
o 1GUtUtC 4 further step towarus peace and dJat funher
o oaaLons to this ltd would 1gt0 unJermkcn by tIlo two sidesfImiddot Tho mHlury fOA7CCu of Egypt anll Israel wIll 00 dCploicU
tn ccoldancc -v1th the followln~ principlesI
j 11 All egyptian [oreca wIll be dcploycQ wet of ello Uno
c 13fWCcd 40 Uno A on the atrachcd map I
I b AU IGrcH forces wIll he dC~loycd caGe of the Une I
40 ~ignatca as LillO non 610 Ilttachcd wap I I I Ic All hltegrallXltt of thIs agreement h1l1 be tho I I bull
1tiOnlng of t110 UnIted Natio-1G Emorg~ncy I-oreo (UNEF) in
~Iar between Uno A and UnC non tile attached roap 0 II
4~hlst ill tlc implementation of this agrccment I II
4 I Both sioea would arrcc th1t U10 sizo of tbe force would
~li=amped and procedures for inspectIon will 1gt0 strcngtllcnOll
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oilccl w~ti1 the UN ~nd the cstabUuhmcnt of l1xod conlmisamp1ons
to assist lJNEF in Its SUpclvItiory rolo
5 11cro wold be ttllO crClC of llrutcJ armament 4nJ forcca
11
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arl- Dgiccd to by tho two 611leo
7 lho~c woud be an c~paan Lmdcrtakin~ that Israeli
c~rrOC woulJ bo pClmiddotmi~ccd throuZhmiddot the Suez Ulnal and tli4lt
I thfjO would b~ no dlscrlmln~tlon as to tho nationality of t~I crmiddot VQ 01 thirJ party vessels
I~ I
s 1040 would bo a provloion tlllt tIle prInciples or Itco
~lt would apply to Israel loG pan ot a peaco ~cctlcmcnt
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~itbalMUdlJ Str~CG as aa ntanlltloool waterway for
411 o( aU flall acd that ncltllcr party WOiIklllitcrlcro
Wli1iUCh tr~nfit
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agreement lIill be ~~Qred to except a8 altered by this
lLgrecmont
13 Thero would bo ploviaiona tor aerial vurvolUance or the
implCmentatlon or proccdurc~ in articles 3 4 and 5 i aides
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Dear Mr President
Iwapl to assure you that once a further agreement is
achieved between Egy pt and Israel the United States
will continue to support and if desirable ani necessary
to engage itself directly in further efforts to achieve the
just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
Sinc~rely
Gerald R Ford
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1hp GovernO~nt of I~r~cl that in rurther~nee (pr tho proceas of
peae it dO~(I uot intend to at~ncK its Arab neighbors 08 long
as all (oncernen -bide ly the cet4sefirc )4esolution adopted by
the ~ecn~~ity Couucil lnili ampttack
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SECREfNODI S
MEMORANDUM OF
PARTICIPANTS
SUBJECT
LOCATION
TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
Washington DC 20520
CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
SECREfNODIS XGDS-3
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r- JJa 1l3o3
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
SECREP(NODIS
-SECREP-NOD I S )
President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
SECREPNODIS
JoOr)QQ DEPARTMENT AS~~ FOR GENERAL SCOWCROFT ~ A D NESSEN
EO 11652 NjA
TA( OVIP (KISSINGER H
SUf JECT Remarks to Press by Secretary Kissinger and
President Sadat following their second Meeting In
Aswan March 8 1975
SECS ATE WASHDCJMMEDIATE oGo
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REF STATE 24911
Q - MR SISCO
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remarks
JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
UNCLASSIFIED C Wellon
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JJ di l1 In Ide n
-z~ I d nt think t origin f tl
1 ments is of decisive Import1nce
Question Mr Presl ent do you think enough progress h s
been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
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nt ad t 11 I II n t y thi
or ~ bull iiIx sui it a ~cnr before when [ mct Or Kissinger
whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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n nsi n u fi t fu
n I n ft r til t t1 di 1I 9 it
Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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UNCLASSIFIED CIIfI~tlon
ny]n in r t ttu l in itatI I)
Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
re
Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
KISSINGER ~
L J
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oilccl w~ti1 the UN ~nd the cstabUuhmcnt of l1xod conlmisamp1ons
to assist lJNEF in Its SUpclvItiory rolo
5 11cro wold be ttllO crClC of llrutcJ armament 4nJ forcca
11
6 Tlus azrccmcnt would bo implomcnccd In iitagCrIJ In I
~TIoJancc Wlth tho sC1cdulc of Implcmctltatloo QII worked O~ I
arl- Dgiccd to by tho two 611leo
7 lho~c woud be an c~paan Lmdcrtakin~ that Israeli
c~rrOC woulJ bo pClmiddotmi~ccd throuZhmiddot the Suez Ulnal and tli4lt
I thfjO would b~ no dlscrlmln~tlon as to tho nationality of t~I crmiddot VQ 01 thirJ party vessels
I~ I
s 1040 would bo a provloion tlllt tIle prInciples or Itco
~lt would apply to Israel loG pan ot a peaco ~cctlcmcnt
I 9_1 rcrc would bo a provision tliac botb sldcoq rCl1rd
~itbalMUdlJ Str~CG as aa ntanlltloool waterway for
411 o( aU flall acd that ncltllcr party WOiIklllitcrlcro
Wli1iUCh tr~nfit
10 lf1cte Vou~ b~ ~n unJcrtakil~3 tbat cadl side would
rcrLl fron bootHo pro~zallda towarJg tho other lda
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U here vould be aSGurancoa on the part ot Eevpt that 1t
would take practical mcasurOQ to ease the boyencott ~1cularlyen
~nst solocted American ZirmG
12 There would bo Cl provision that the previous cUsengngement
agreement lIill be ~~Qred to except a8 altered by this
lLgrecmont
13 Thero would bo ploviaiona tor aerial vurvolUance or the
implCmentatlon or proccdurc~ in articles 3 4 and 5 i aides
14 There Would ulO bo Q proviaion that botlaBreo to BUpport
tJ ~ntinuance or tho W ownbl by one- period tor tIuI
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Dear Mr President
Iwapl to assure you that once a further agreement is
achieved between Egy pt and Israel the United States
will continue to support and if desirable ani necessary
to engage itself directly in further efforts to achieve the
just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
Sinc~rely
Gerald R Ford
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I am informing yfJU th~t I hnve received Ilaaurencea from
1hp GovernO~nt of I~r~cl that in rurther~nee (pr tho proceas of
peae it dO~(I uot intend to at~ncK its Arab neighbors 08 long
as all (oncernen -bide ly the cet4sefirc )4esolution adopted by
the ~ecn~~ity Couucil lnili ampttack
The United StntcB wouJd oppose ampny sucn
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I note with satisfaction your statement that the i~ I pI rCf~S loading tvvvClrds a just and lasting peace in the
Middle Eolstwill continile and the statement by Israel ~ ~ tha tit ilas no inten tion of attacking its neighbors
I ~ I
In furtherance of the process leading towards peace
j
Egypt will not attack Israel and will refrain from other
hostile qcts as
long as this agreement is being observed I bull
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by both ~ ides
Sincerely I
Anwar Sadat
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SECREfNODI S
MEMORANDUM OF
PARTICIPANTS
SUBJECT
LOCATION
TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
Washington DC 20520
CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
SECREfNODIS XGDS-3
EO~~~~(t Fj fTmiddot~middot-middotf fJ i lt ~
r- JJa 1l3o3
l SEC~NODIS 2
coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
SECREP(NODIS
-SECREP-NOD I S )
President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
SECREPNODIS
JoOr)QQ DEPARTMENT AS~~ FOR GENERAL SCOWCROFT ~ A D NESSEN
EO 11652 NjA
TA( OVIP (KISSINGER H
SUf JECT Remarks to Press by Secretary Kissinger and
President Sadat following their second Meeting In
Aswan March 8 1975
SECS ATE WASHDCJMMEDIATE oGo
I AMEMBASSY AtvfMAN oc i AME mASSY BEIRUT oo AMEMBASSY DAMASCUS trOJ
AMEMBASSY JIDDA (tp ~
A 1EMBASSY TEL AVIV (JcJ AmemhasiY Cairo USINFO WASHOe
() g
AIoembassy Jerusalem )()f SECTO 10 I
UNCLASSIFIED UEEgtEL ASWAN _ C01O
REF STATE 24911
Q - MR SISCO
~k (draft)
I INa ASSIFIED
J
n crlpt f
remarks
JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
UNCLASSIFIED C Wellon
FOAM - J(H) bull bullmiddot6_ fCOfolTlfoIUATIOfol SHEET)
JJ di l1 In Ide n
-z~ I d nt think t origin f tl
1 ments is of decisive Import1nce
Question Mr Presl ent do you think enough progress h s
been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
UNCLASSIFIED
t 11
nt ad t 11 I II n t y thi
or ~ bull iiIx sui it a ~cnr before when [ mct Or Kissinger
whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
L ~
UNCLASSIFIED
fORM )4- ~ (CONTINUATION SHEET)
n nsi n u fi t fu
n I n ft r til t t1 di 1I 9 it
Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
L ~
FORM n41(H)4-61 (CONTINUATION SHEET)
UNCLASSIFIED CIIfI~tlon
ny]n in r t ttu l in itatI I)
Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
re
Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
KISSINGER ~
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SUBJECT
LOCATION
TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
Washington DC 20520
CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
SECREP(NODIS
-SECREP-NOD I S )
President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
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SUf JECT Remarks to Press by Secretary Kissinger and
President Sadat following their second Meeting In
Aswan March 8 1975
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today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
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been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
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Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
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any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
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tulks today
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this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
re
Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
KISSINGER ~
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- UNCLASSIFIED CIIIIClItion
Gerald R Ford Presidential Library and Museum wwwfordlibrarymuseumgov
Library 1000 Beal Ave Ann Arbor MI48109 (734) 205-0555 fax (734) 205-0571 Museum 303 Pearl Street NW Grand Rapids MI49504 (616) 254-0400 fax (616) 254-0386
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just] durablt settlement between Israel and all its
Arri neighbors including Syria called for in Security
COUI eil Resolutions 242 and 338
Sinc~rely
Gerald R Ford
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peae it dO~(I uot intend to at~ncK its Arab neighbors 08 long
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MEMORANDUM OF
PARTICIPANTS
SUBJECT
LOCATION
TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
Washington DC 20520
CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
SECREP(NODIS
-SECREP-NOD I S )
President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
SECREPNODIS
JoOr)QQ DEPARTMENT AS~~ FOR GENERAL SCOWCROFT ~ A D NESSEN
EO 11652 NjA
TA( OVIP (KISSINGER H
SUf JECT Remarks to Press by Secretary Kissinger and
President Sadat following their second Meeting In
Aswan March 8 1975
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AIoembassy Jerusalem )()f SECTO 10 I
UNCLASSIFIED UEEgtEL ASWAN _ C01O
REF STATE 24911
Q - MR SISCO
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I INa ASSIFIED
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remarks
JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
UNCLASSIFIED C Wellon
FOAM - J(H) bull bullmiddot6_ fCOfolTlfoIUATIOfol SHEET)
JJ di l1 In Ide n
-z~ I d nt think t origin f tl
1 ments is of decisive Import1nce
Question Mr Presl ent do you think enough progress h s
been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
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nt ad t 11 I II n t y thi
or ~ bull iiIx sui it a ~cnr before when [ mct Or Kissinger
whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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n nsi n u fi t fu
n I n ft r til t t1 di 1I 9 it
Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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UNCLASSIFIED CIIfI~tlon
ny]n in r t ttu l in itatI I)
Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
re
Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
KISSINGER ~
L J
- UNCLASSIFIED CIIIIClItion
Gerald R Ford Presidential Library and Museum wwwfordlibrarymuseumgov
Library 1000 Beal Ave Ann Arbor MI48109 (734) 205-0555 fax (734) 205-0571 Museum 303 Pearl Street NW Grand Rapids MI49504 (616) 254-0400 fax (616) 254-0386
The documents in this folder continue into the
next folder
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peae it dO~(I uot intend to at~ncK its Arab neighbors 08 long
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In furtherance of the process leading towards peace
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MEMORANDUM OF
PARTICIPANTS
SUBJECT
LOCATION
TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
Washington DC 20520
CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
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coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
SECREP(NODIS
-SECREP-NOD I S )
President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
SECREPNODIS
JoOr)QQ DEPARTMENT AS~~ FOR GENERAL SCOWCROFT ~ A D NESSEN
EO 11652 NjA
TA( OVIP (KISSINGER H
SUf JECT Remarks to Press by Secretary Kissinger and
President Sadat following their second Meeting In
Aswan March 8 1975
SECS ATE WASHDCJMMEDIATE oGo
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AMEMBASSY JIDDA (tp ~
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() g
AIoembassy Jerusalem )()f SECTO 10 I
UNCLASSIFIED UEEgtEL ASWAN _ C01O
REF STATE 24911
Q - MR SISCO
~k (draft)
I INa ASSIFIED
J
n crlpt f
remarks
JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
UNCLASSIFIED C Wellon
FOAM - J(H) bull bullmiddot6_ fCOfolTlfoIUATIOfol SHEET)
JJ di l1 In Ide n
-z~ I d nt think t origin f tl
1 ments is of decisive Import1nce
Question Mr Presl ent do you think enough progress h s
been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
UNCLASSIFIED
t 11
nt ad t 11 I II n t y thi
or ~ bull iiIx sui it a ~cnr before when [ mct Or Kissinger
whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
L ~
UNCLASSIFIED
fORM )4- ~ (CONTINUATION SHEET)
n nsi n u fi t fu
n I n ft r til t t1 di 1I 9 it
Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
L ~
FORM n41(H)4-61 (CONTINUATION SHEET)
UNCLASSIFIED CIIfI~tlon
ny]n in r t ttu l in itatI I)
Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
re
Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
KISSINGER ~
L J
- UNCLASSIFIED CIIIIClItion
Gerald R Ford Presidential Library and Museum wwwfordlibrarymuseumgov
Library 1000 Beal Ave Ann Arbor MI48109 (734) 205-0555 fax (734) 205-0571 Museum 303 Pearl Street NW Grand Rapids MI49504 (616) 254-0400 fax (616) 254-0386
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next folder
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Mr Preeidf~nt I bull
I note with satisfaction your statement that the i~ I pI rCf~S loading tvvvClrds a just and lasting peace in the
Middle Eolstwill continile and the statement by Israel ~ ~ tha tit ilas no inten tion of attacking its neighbors
I ~ I
In furtherance of the process leading towards peace
j
Egypt will not attack Israel and will refrain from other
hostile qcts as
long as this agreement is being observed I bull
I 1
by both ~ ides
Sincerely I
Anwar Sadat
~
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~
SECREfNODI S
MEMORANDUM OF
PARTICIPANTS
SUBJECT
LOCATION
TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
Washington DC 20520
CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
SECREfNODIS XGDS-3
EO~~~~(t Fj fTmiddot~middot-middotf fJ i lt ~
r- JJa 1l3o3
l SEC~NODIS 2
coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
SECREP(NODIS
-SECREP-NOD I S )
President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
SECREPNODIS
JoOr)QQ DEPARTMENT AS~~ FOR GENERAL SCOWCROFT ~ A D NESSEN
EO 11652 NjA
TA( OVIP (KISSINGER H
SUf JECT Remarks to Press by Secretary Kissinger and
President Sadat following their second Meeting In
Aswan March 8 1975
SECS ATE WASHDCJMMEDIATE oGo
I AMEMBASSY AtvfMAN oc i AME mASSY BEIRUT oo AMEMBASSY DAMASCUS trOJ
AMEMBASSY JIDDA (tp ~
A 1EMBASSY TEL AVIV (JcJ AmemhasiY Cairo USINFO WASHOe
() g
AIoembassy Jerusalem )()f SECTO 10 I
UNCLASSIFIED UEEgtEL ASWAN _ C01O
REF STATE 24911
Q - MR SISCO
~k (draft)
I INa ASSIFIED
J
n crlpt f
remarks
JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
UNCLASSIFIED C Wellon
FOAM - J(H) bull bullmiddot6_ fCOfolTlfoIUATIOfol SHEET)
JJ di l1 In Ide n
-z~ I d nt think t origin f tl
1 ments is of decisive Import1nce
Question Mr Presl ent do you think enough progress h s
been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
UNCLASSIFIED
t 11
nt ad t 11 I II n t y thi
or ~ bull iiIx sui it a ~cnr before when [ mct Or Kissinger
whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
L ~
UNCLASSIFIED
fORM )4- ~ (CONTINUATION SHEET)
n nsi n u fi t fu
n I n ft r til t t1 di 1I 9 it
Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
L ~
FORM n41(H)4-61 (CONTINUATION SHEET)
UNCLASSIFIED CIIfI~tlon
ny]n in r t ttu l in itatI I)
Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
re
Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
KISSINGER ~
L J
- UNCLASSIFIED CIIIIClItion
Gerald R Ford Presidential Library and Museum wwwfordlibrarymuseumgov
Library 1000 Beal Ave Ann Arbor MI48109 (734) 205-0555 fax (734) 205-0571 Museum 303 Pearl Street NW Grand Rapids MI49504 (616) 254-0400 fax (616) 254-0386
The documents in this folder continue into the
next folder
A Presidential Library Administered by the National Archives and Records Administration
SECREfNODI S
MEMORANDUM OF
PARTICIPANTS
SUBJECT
LOCATION
TIME AND DATE
1JDEPARTMENl OF STATE
Washington DC 20520
CONVERSATION
President Anwar Sadat Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy Minister of War General Gamassy Dr Ashraf Marwan Secretary
of the President for Foreign Contacts
Secretary Henry A Kissinger Under Secretary Joseph J Sisco Ambassador Hermann F Eilts Assistant Secretary Alfred L
Atherton Jr
Disengagemen~ Talks
Presidential Palace - Aswan
1100 AM - Saturday - March 8 1975
President Sadat Well Henry I welcome you again You are a dear friend I hope your visit will be fruitful and decisive
Secretary Kissinger I hope it will mark a turning point As you did the last time you are taking the lead I will spare no effort and will not leave
President Sadat How is President Ford
Secretary Kissinger Fine He is improving his domestic position by insisting on sticking to his programs He is
SECREfNODIS XGDS-3
EO~~~~(t Fj fTmiddot~middot-middotf fJ i lt ~
r- JJa 1l3o3
l SEC~NODIS 2
coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
SECREP(NODIS
-SECREP-NOD I S )
President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
SECREPNODIS
JoOr)QQ DEPARTMENT AS~~ FOR GENERAL SCOWCROFT ~ A D NESSEN
EO 11652 NjA
TA( OVIP (KISSINGER H
SUf JECT Remarks to Press by Secretary Kissinger and
President Sadat following their second Meeting In
Aswan March 8 1975
SECS ATE WASHDCJMMEDIATE oGo
I AMEMBASSY AtvfMAN oc i AME mASSY BEIRUT oo AMEMBASSY DAMASCUS trOJ
AMEMBASSY JIDDA (tp ~
A 1EMBASSY TEL AVIV (JcJ AmemhasiY Cairo USINFO WASHOe
() g
AIoembassy Jerusalem )()f SECTO 10 I
UNCLASSIFIED UEEgtEL ASWAN _ C01O
REF STATE 24911
Q - MR SISCO
~k (draft)
I INa ASSIFIED
J
n crlpt f
remarks
JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
UNCLASSIFIED C Wellon
FOAM - J(H) bull bullmiddot6_ fCOfolTlfoIUATIOfol SHEET)
JJ di l1 In Ide n
-z~ I d nt think t origin f tl
1 ments is of decisive Import1nce
Question Mr Presl ent do you think enough progress h s
been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
UNCLASSIFIED
t 11
nt ad t 11 I II n t y thi
or ~ bull iiIx sui it a ~cnr before when [ mct Or Kissinger
whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
L ~
UNCLASSIFIED
fORM )4- ~ (CONTINUATION SHEET)
n nsi n u fi t fu
n I n ft r til t t1 di 1I 9 it
Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
L ~
FORM n41(H)4-61 (CONTINUATION SHEET)
UNCLASSIFIED CIIfI~tlon
ny]n in r t ttu l in itatI I)
Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
re
Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
KISSINGER ~
L J
- UNCLASSIFIED CIIIIClItion
Gerald R Ford Presidential Library and Museum wwwfordlibrarymuseumgov
Library 1000 Beal Ave Ann Arbor MI48109 (734) 205-0555 fax (734) 205-0571 Museum 303 Pearl Street NW Grand Rapids MI49504 (616) 254-0400 fax (616) 254-0386
The documents in this folder continue into the
next folder
A Presidential Library Administered by the National Archives and Records Administration
l SEC~NODIS 2
coming outof the difficult period of the Presidential transition He looks forward to meeting you if conditions develop to make your visit possible following this trip
How shall we conduct these talks
President Sadat It is up to you
Secretary Kissinger Mr President the last time you gave me some general ideas I did not communicate them to the Israelis in order not to have them in the press for two weeks and not to give the Israelis a chance to create public pressures I spoke in a general way about your ideas with Rabinbut gave him no formulas or points So in effect the negotiations will start Sunday in Jerusalem
I would like to review your ideas with you but this is not the time to make significant alterations I want to confirm two minor ideas we discussed but we should wait for the Israeli reaction before saying what can be done
You have been heroic in holding things together I know this has been a difficult period ~le have not lost time however We have prepared uS opinion and have blunted the attacks against you We have improved the psychological atmosphere in Israel
With respect to the other Arab countries you will always hear wild stories The only true stories are what you and I agree We see Egypt as a leader of the Arab world and will do nothing to undermine it But there is a romantic streak in your Arab brothers it is hard to tell where realities end and epic poetry begins I will not go beyond what we agreed
President Ford is determined to achieve a reasonable agreement if possible I think it is Israel will overwhelm us with petty points If you accept the entire Israeli program which I am not recommending they will not accept your acceptance
We will do nothing to weaken your position In that spirit you and I must try to find a solution
SECREP(NODIS
-SECREP-NOD I S )
President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
SECREPNODIS
JoOr)QQ DEPARTMENT AS~~ FOR GENERAL SCOWCROFT ~ A D NESSEN
EO 11652 NjA
TA( OVIP (KISSINGER H
SUf JECT Remarks to Press by Secretary Kissinger and
President Sadat following their second Meeting In
Aswan March 8 1975
SECS ATE WASHDCJMMEDIATE oGo
I AMEMBASSY AtvfMAN oc i AME mASSY BEIRUT oo AMEMBASSY DAMASCUS trOJ
AMEMBASSY JIDDA (tp ~
A 1EMBASSY TEL AVIV (JcJ AmemhasiY Cairo USINFO WASHOe
() g
AIoembassy Jerusalem )()f SECTO 10 I
UNCLASSIFIED UEEgtEL ASWAN _ C01O
REF STATE 24911
Q - MR SISCO
~k (draft)
I INa ASSIFIED
J
n crlpt f
remarks
JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
UNCLASSIFIED C Wellon
FOAM - J(H) bull bullmiddot6_ fCOfolTlfoIUATIOfol SHEET)
JJ di l1 In Ide n
-z~ I d nt think t origin f tl
1 ments is of decisive Import1nce
Question Mr Presl ent do you think enough progress h s
been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
UNCLASSIFIED
t 11
nt ad t 11 I II n t y thi
or ~ bull iiIx sui it a ~cnr before when [ mct Or Kissinger
whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
L ~
UNCLASSIFIED
fORM )4- ~ (CONTINUATION SHEET)
n nsi n u fi t fu
n I n ft r til t t1 di 1I 9 it
Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
L ~
FORM n41(H)4-61 (CONTINUATION SHEET)
UNCLASSIFIED CIIfI~tlon
ny]n in r t ttu l in itatI I)
Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
re
Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
KISSINGER ~
L J
- UNCLASSIFIED CIIIIClItion
Gerald R Ford Presidential Library and Museum wwwfordlibrarymuseumgov
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-SECREP-NOD I S )
President Sadat Fine Shall we discuss this privately
Secretary Kissinger Yes
(At this point the President and the Secretary adshyjourned for a private meeting that lasted from 1120 AM until about 100 PM)
SECREPNODIS
JoOr)QQ DEPARTMENT AS~~ FOR GENERAL SCOWCROFT ~ A D NESSEN
EO 11652 NjA
TA( OVIP (KISSINGER H
SUf JECT Remarks to Press by Secretary Kissinger and
President Sadat following their second Meeting In
Aswan March 8 1975
SECS ATE WASHDCJMMEDIATE oGo
I AMEMBASSY AtvfMAN oc i AME mASSY BEIRUT oo AMEMBASSY DAMASCUS trOJ
AMEMBASSY JIDDA (tp ~
A 1EMBASSY TEL AVIV (JcJ AmemhasiY Cairo USINFO WASHOe
() g
AIoembassy Jerusalem )()f SECTO 10 I
UNCLASSIFIED UEEgtEL ASWAN _ C01O
REF STATE 24911
Q - MR SISCO
~k (draft)
I INa ASSIFIED
J
n crlpt f
remarks
JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
UNCLASSIFIED C Wellon
FOAM - J(H) bull bullmiddot6_ fCOfolTlfoIUATIOfol SHEET)
JJ di l1 In Ide n
-z~ I d nt think t origin f tl
1 ments is of decisive Import1nce
Question Mr Presl ent do you think enough progress h s
been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
UNCLASSIFIED
t 11
nt ad t 11 I II n t y thi
or ~ bull iiIx sui it a ~cnr before when [ mct Or Kissinger
whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
L ~
UNCLASSIFIED
fORM )4- ~ (CONTINUATION SHEET)
n nsi n u fi t fu
n I n ft r til t t1 di 1I 9 it
Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
L ~
FORM n41(H)4-61 (CONTINUATION SHEET)
UNCLASSIFIED CIIfI~tlon
ny]n in r t ttu l in itatI I)
Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
re
Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
KISSINGER ~
L J
- UNCLASSIFIED CIIIIClItion
Gerald R Ford Presidential Library and Museum wwwfordlibrarymuseumgov
Library 1000 Beal Ave Ann Arbor MI48109 (734) 205-0555 fax (734) 205-0571 Museum 303 Pearl Street NW Grand Rapids MI49504 (616) 254-0400 fax (616) 254-0386
The documents in this folder continue into the
next folder
A Presidential Library Administered by the National Archives and Records Administration
JoOr)QQ DEPARTMENT AS~~ FOR GENERAL SCOWCROFT ~ A D NESSEN
EO 11652 NjA
TA( OVIP (KISSINGER H
SUf JECT Remarks to Press by Secretary Kissinger and
President Sadat following their second Meeting In
Aswan March 8 1975
SECS ATE WASHDCJMMEDIATE oGo
I AMEMBASSY AtvfMAN oc i AME mASSY BEIRUT oo AMEMBASSY DAMASCUS trOJ
AMEMBASSY JIDDA (tp ~
A 1EMBASSY TEL AVIV (JcJ AmemhasiY Cairo USINFO WASHOe
() g
AIoembassy Jerusalem )()f SECTO 10 I
UNCLASSIFIED UEEgtEL ASWAN _ C01O
REF STATE 24911
Q - MR SISCO
~k (draft)
I INa ASSIFIED
J
n crlpt f
remarks
JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
UNCLASSIFIED C Wellon
FOAM - J(H) bull bullmiddot6_ fCOfolTlfoIUATIOfol SHEET)
JJ di l1 In Ide n
-z~ I d nt think t origin f tl
1 ments is of decisive Import1nce
Question Mr Presl ent do you think enough progress h s
been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
UNCLASSIFIED
t 11
nt ad t 11 I II n t y thi
or ~ bull iiIx sui it a ~cnr before when [ mct Or Kissinger
whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
L ~
UNCLASSIFIED
fORM )4- ~ (CONTINUATION SHEET)
n nsi n u fi t fu
n I n ft r til t t1 di 1I 9 it
Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
L ~
FORM n41(H)4-61 (CONTINUATION SHEET)
UNCLASSIFIED CIIfI~tlon
ny]n in r t ttu l in itatI I)
Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
re
Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
KISSINGER ~
L J
- UNCLASSIFIED CIIIIClItion
Gerald R Ford Presidential Library and Museum wwwfordlibrarymuseumgov
Library 1000 Beal Ave Ann Arbor MI48109 (734) 205-0555 fax (734) 205-0571 Museum 303 Pearl Street NW Grand Rapids MI49504 (616) 254-0400 fax (616) 254-0386
The documents in this folder continue into the
next folder
A Presidential Library Administered by the National Archives and Records Administration
n crlpt f
remarks
JOTE As you know the President and I have had eXlensive talks
today p rely alone and partly together with our associates to review
all the element that are involved in xmmakfng another step
towards peace In the MlddJe East I will now go first to Syria and
(hen t Israel and I will discuss there a sImilar ran e of issues tnen
r g rding the el ments of another slepl mm~rt I wi~feturn for
further discussions with the Presiden on Tuesday or
I am here because the United States be ves very str ngly that
another step towards peace In the Middle East is in (1 e interest of
all of the Peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are
dedicated to making a major effort in this direction I believe
that based on the discussions that have had pr ess s possible
Question fave you discusse Mr Secretary any possibllty
of another disengag ment on the Syrian Front
Answer Sece tary Kissinger We discussed the whole range of
problems ino ved with peace in the Middle East and of cours that
includes all fronts
Question Mr Secr etar y are you bringing concrete ideas to
Israel that you have picked up h r e from President adat
L Answer Secretary Kissinger Obviously in discussions with -J
UNCLASSIFIED C Wellon
FOAM - J(H) bull bullmiddot6_ fCOfolTlfoIUATIOfol SHEET)
JJ di l1 In Ide n
-z~ I d nt think t origin f tl
1 ments is of decisive Import1nce
Question Mr Presl ent do you think enough progress h s
been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
UNCLASSIFIED
t 11
nt ad t 11 I II n t y thi
or ~ bull iiIx sui it a ~cnr before when [ mct Or Kissinger
whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
L ~
UNCLASSIFIED
fORM )4- ~ (CONTINUATION SHEET)
n nsi n u fi t fu
n I n ft r til t t1 di 1I 9 it
Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
L ~
FORM n41(H)4-61 (CONTINUATION SHEET)
UNCLASSIFIED CIIfI~tlon
ny]n in r t ttu l in itatI I)
Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
re
Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
KISSINGER ~
L J
- UNCLASSIFIED CIIIIClItion
Gerald R Ford Presidential Library and Museum wwwfordlibrarymuseumgov
Library 1000 Beal Ave Ann Arbor MI48109 (734) 205-0555 fax (734) 205-0571 Museum 303 Pearl Street NW Grand Rapids MI49504 (616) 254-0400 fax (616) 254-0386
The documents in this folder continue into the
next folder
A Presidential Library Administered by the National Archives and Records Administration
JJ di l1 In Ide n
-z~ I d nt think t origin f tl
1 ments is of decisive Import1nce
Question Mr Presl ent do you think enough progress h s
been made to make you optimistic about a settlement
Answer PreshJcnt Sudat Well as I said before I am alwaysoptimistic ~ff~ but I thInk we shall be t aving a very hard round this time
Question Of you dt cuss the Palestinl n quesrion r Kissinger
nwer Secretary Kissinger I said we dIscussed the whole
rang of Issues In [he Middle Ess t
QuestIon Mr President wh ~n you sal a hard round do you
think It will take a long time Do you think it might ake three or
four weeks
Answer President Sadat Wtll 1 shall be very happy to have
Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me but it Is not a matter of weeks or so As I said before the m~ssion of my friend
I Dr KissInger is very important this time ftUlaquo because we are
working on two very important points The first point is the defusion
of the explosive situation the second point is pushing the processI
of peace For that I am saying it is the hardest
Question Mr President ydu said recently that you think now
~or the first time peace is possible Can you please Bay what ~
UNCLASSIFIED
t 11
nt ad t 11 I II n t y thi
or ~ bull iiIx sui it a ~cnr before when [ mct Or Kissinger
whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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n I n ft r til t t1 di 1I 9 it
Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
re
Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
KISSINGER ~
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nt ad t 11 I II n t y thi
or ~ bull iiIx sui it a ~cnr before when [ mct Or Kissinger
whll we fulfUhd the first IL engagement ngrecm nt 1y theory is
this For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed lny confidence
in Irael and the same thing hap ned that Israel n ver njoyed
any confidence in us The moment came when Dr KIssinger appeared
on test ge an he en oyed my full confidence and I think it must
be mentioned also that he should enoy the full onfidence of [srael he has
after all tha~done for Israel and all that the United States for
has done So lhat I am sayinampjh first rime in twemy- six ye rs
peace Is possible
Question Mr PresIdent do you think that no form of warfare
is useful in the ~ Arab - Israeli conflict
Answer President Sadat This is quite true from my point of
vi W and I think the October War has proved that wh t
cannot any party has l~ impose conditions on the other
r power
Question Vhat aOOut other forms of warfare Mr President
Answer President Sadat Well do you have in mind what you
call preventive war
Question Economic Warfare
Answer President Sadat When we discuss peace we shall be
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n nsi n u fi t fu
n I n ft r til t t1 di 1I 9 it
Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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UNCLASSIFIED CIIfI~tlon
ny]n in r t ttu l in itatI I)
Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
re
Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
KISSINGER ~
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Gerald R Ford Presidential Library and Museum wwwfordlibrarymuseumgov
Library 1000 Beal Ave Ann Arbor MI48109 (734) 205-0555 fax (734) 205-0571 Museum 303 Pearl Street NW Grand Rapids MI49504 (616) 254-0400 fax (616) 254-0386
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n nsi n u fi t fu
n I n ft r til t t1 di 1I 9 it
Quest ion middot1r President could you suy lhat ufcer your talks
1Y you feel things look hard r th n they did fore your
tulks today
11 we r President tdat Well my friend it is true that I feel
this time it is harder It i9 true
Olll tlon I it har eli 1r Prcsldlnt because you
want to go further thIs time than you did last lme in the range of
what you are tryIng to achIeve
Answer President Suda( Well as 1 old you wlmt we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the Peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation
Question Are the prospects better 0 worse after todays talks cannot
J11swer President Sadat I IraquoD lMbI tell until Dr Kissinger
returns
Question Mr Presldm t is the question a writte non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned
Answer President Sadat We have not discussed (his Not yet
We have not reached it But do you mean non -belligerency As I told
you if I am going to agree to non -belligerencyen while there is one
Isra~li soldier occupying my land this would mean an official invitation
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UNCLASSIFIED CIIfI~tlon
ny]n in r t ttu l in itatI I)
Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
re
Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
KISSINGER ~
L J
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Gerald R Ford Presidential Library and Museum wwwfordlibrarymuseumgov
Library 1000 Beal Ave Ann Arbor MI48109 (734) 205-0555 fax (734) 205-0571 Museum 303 Pearl Street NW Grand Rapids MI49504 (616) 254-0400 fax (616) 254-0386
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ny]n in r t ttu l in itatI I)
Question 1r S~crctnry do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon
Answer Secretary Kissinger We have alwnyens stated our vlh~n
re dInes to g to G nevn let 1 reIgn Minisrer Gromyko
in Geneva last week we indicated hI t we were prepared for a xe
re
Question Have you d1scussed etc visit of President Sadar to the
nit States
Answ r Secretary Kissinger residlmt S d t knows (hat I e is
always welcome and I hope that aft [ we conclude these negotiations
we will be able to arrange some fir n late IQ OTE
KISSINGER ~
L J
- UNCLASSIFIED CIIIIClItion
Gerald R Ford Presidential Library and Museum wwwfordlibrarymuseumgov
Library 1000 Beal Ave Ann Arbor MI48109 (734) 205-0555 fax (734) 205-0571 Museum 303 Pearl Street NW Grand Rapids MI49504 (616) 254-0400 fax (616) 254-0386
The documents in this folder continue into the
next folder
A Presidential Library Administered by the National Archives and Records Administration
Gerald R Ford Presidential Library and Museum wwwfordlibrarymuseumgov
Library 1000 Beal Ave Ann Arbor MI48109 (734) 205-0555 fax (734) 205-0571 Museum 303 Pearl Street NW Grand Rapids MI49504 (616) 254-0400 fax (616) 254-0386
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next folder
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