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whatever.

m . StftBft**s You re*lly think the native think#

differently from the nay « • do t- I an positiv® of It , I

have head i*& yeara working with hi* and I know hi a raa eon lag

powara ara different tmm sfciat our# era.

You find that ?- Yea, «lwa>a. will you allow k#

t© Illustrate. tappoalng you o#ll him In and eay, "Here,'

ac~and~ao, I aould Just Ilka you to do ac-snd-sc and so-snd~so<

•111 >ou. It « 1 U he an advantage to you? It will ha to yow- . . .

benefit to do that,* Sail, hla *lnd leased lately ooaea

S>*ak to, "What la that *«an up to la giving aa m advantage?".

^a l«medl*tely think# that you want to gat aoraethlng out

of hl» for nothing, That la the paoullar mentality X

have found In tha Native right theughout. I*edletely you

aha* any fora of sympathy, - 1 would not Ilka to *se tha

word "banevcience" - i^sdlstaly It aorea# up In his alnd,

•that aiaa doaa not want to do &e any good! ha haa aoaethlag

up hla alaeve",

ChAIki^S: L>o you not think that la one of tha

thing# ha haa learned fro» tha £urop<»an t- it la <*ilte

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You a a ;, whan ?ou tfsaw hlw hanawolanoa* suspicion

iwaadlataly arlaaa t- Y a # , th#t la my axparlanea.

« a l l , »> axparlanea haa baon tha oppoalta ?- flail,

I have oaly daait with urban Katlveet It »ay fra dlffarant

In tha rural ara«a.

I think It would ha a dangarou* position to taka up,

that wfca® you ara bane volant to a raa*, the? laatedt ataly

#u#pact jou ?- I have hatf it # eld to *a point hlank la

»ora than one la&tanoe, "ifhat 1# tha White * •& ao Interested

. • • • - r

In the fietlwa for". I telklnf ebout these people who

lntereat theneelwee In native affairs. *What la he worr^log

h 1kmIf about to for; there is something under neeth

If your contention la right, the greatest rase*lat ' ' v v , * v . ' - ‘v ^ . , . - ' iV :» • £ > 5‘ . • ’ tC . * < *

la the woric would be th§ benevolent »tn who have helped

tha Setlvee, auor aa LlvlagetOne, Stuart *nd o there T- I. . •?

would not ilka to »axa a at a tana at ilka the*.

If you puah jour statement te extremities ?- Wall,

you can puah any etatement to extremltlee. I as telklag of

tha geaerai body of mea. I do aet thlak wa would taka

Llvlngatoae aa aa axaapla of tha Whit a nan i unfortunately-

wa eanaot.■

I taka It, what you meaa la there la

» greater element of su^lelon la tha Katina mlad than thara

is in tha European »lnd ?- *es . How that la brought'

about I 4c net know; wo have a difference la under etand lngv

different thoughts; wa do not understand each other.

It la not a euspiolon of benevolenee! It la simply

that tha Xatlve does not underspend why that s*n la aatlag

la that » i and would Ilka te uderstend him, therefore,

ha atarta problag T- I *uppo»a aom of than would do,

but I do aot think tha generei mlad does. wc»a of the*; - • • ’

would* Scnm of tha Whites probe further Into thlaga.

* « . Ultelt A lot of Hiitaa ara auaplaloua of tha

gift horaa ?- Yaa, but It ta aora un 1 y*raa 1 la tha othar,

I thlak, Mr, Chairman, yon raally und^ratand what I aaaa,

that so a»ny aation* ara raally r-laundaretood.Vv ■

I would ilka to put a question which arlaaa out

of your reference to your own personal experience. Am I

correct la understanding that you have eubatltutad s*slee

for your female Ironers f- Yea.

•ara they Hatlvaa proaurable locally, or did you

have to import thou ?- 1 dlo not Import the*; but you

mow ahat It Is aha* you lot people know you aant #o*ebody

to aerk for you - thay *ppe a r .

Koro they In the Union f- I aould not like to say

t «i aera in tha U*Ha at the tl*a. I aaaagad to got one

chap; ho toddled along one day looking for aork. My ton ■

said to *e "Haro is > a hap a ho aa ya ho la o f ire tela a a ircner".

I said *?at h i* on” . I found h i* far and aaay better than

anyone ae had had. la aara having a tremendous lot of

trouble and oould not do anything aith the other*, ao aa

aald to h i*, “do you knoa of any oth«Pat* and, fro* that

time, they gradually turned up, and hate given plaaa to the

Others. Vo call tho* Blantyrea..

VAU SIKXftUCj Now, in generel, aa have been

told, at Bloa^fonteIn for lnatanoe, that the tendenoy among

tha Whites in dloaafonteln la to giva preference teas •

Kattte fro* the country side aa against a Vstlva who has lived

In towi for g o *sny years ?- I think you *111 re^asbar I■

•aid tr*t I ass dealing aith tha urban tfatlva, that the rural

Katina aaa *ore affialant aa a rule; I mentioned that.

9AJQR AIp?33Cffi Doea ha rersaia efficient ?- In-3

fortunately, ha doea not. I aculd alaays prefer the rural

Betlva.■V 'h ^T;.r ' V'S%K'

w w * ! think ha la physically fitter T- Iss .

ME. 10S&&** Ha cannot be ^ore off latent} ha doea

not kaca as *ueh about the Job as the other nan f- That Is

rat ar aa advantage, beeauae you teach hi* and ha copies It

and doea it; ahan ha gata * 1xad 19 aith civilisation, ha

g*ts laay.

You train s rsa Native ah© has no »erka on tha

slate to alpe o ff , and you write on the alste for hi*; he

does ahst you tall h i*. surely, after alx months’ time ha

la going to be wore efficient with you then when ho aterted *-- ■ - X' ’ ' ' ’' ' i"; :: '

I on taking tho tl*e ewer yea res if ho bee©»ea an urbanlaed

*atlve» ho and hie doaeendanta *111 bacome inferior.

Taico a particular job lliee ironwork* you gat a raw

*etive and explain to him and teach hi* ho* to do the job.

Xake a Native frot tha location who *ne% nothing about ironing,

and you taaab hist which do you eey la going to ba tho

bat tar ono ?- tha country ona every tine.

Why la that f- Hxeept that tha country boy uakea

a battar dlenond out tor than tho town boy does. It la ao

with t^e Suropeen In tho **» aa«a way. Ho ccwe* into town

with «om in ter oat and wore deternlnat ion to aako good*

But how long doaa ho re»aln battar T- *bat la a

matter of tea^ersment.

G5iAI§*Alu Do you think they all deteriorate after

a while t- fehen they he we become or ban lied, the f a^illea

deter lorate.

waJOH AISSr£Q|i ie it not the oaao that' the new

broo* a weep* clean ?- So, It ia the bad effeot of town life .

HR. LUOAs: How does that ahew Itaolf l doea it

•bow itaolf In bla not being eo obedient, or doea it bheo

itaelf In hia being leaa physloally fit , or doea It anew

itaolf In hia being *ore etupld?- I ahouid aayp leaa

phyaleally fit to etert with; the nixing up and getting

into tho Impudent stage later on, and a general *ix*x reetlee-

a***#

S5HATC* VAR BIESFRKJ The town boy la »ore opt to

ahlrk hia work ?- I think tbe towr boy la not a* phyaloally

fitted for it . 1 think you can real lee It, aa everyone of

ua do, that the feed in the country «akea a better aubjeot?

they get too isuch artificial food here; they 11 v® on tinned

atuff.

Htt. LUOa Si Where do they get the Money fro* t»

Hr* iowbray * r . *aoi>onaid

ihoy do buy i t . I f 50U w r i to fO round mj p is 00 end «•«

of cardln« t l a a , you would ha vs * d l f fs r o a t opinion.

DR, aC3»?stE5 fhora I t no ass doallag with an argument

unless ?ou ana prove it to aatraislty . I t would soan, in a

sorts la t l * s , 0versons o f thoss would bsocn* so t f f s t o that

they *ould bo f i t only for tho scrspheap ?- I do not soy

evorj sing 1# on** yon have soma who w i l l net go down, at

»ny p rlco , both aaonfst blaak and whltoa, but I f tho jressnt

conditions aro going to continue, to ay wind tho Satlva la

doojsed - whlah la a d lagrsoa to our a lv l l l s s t l c n .

2hat la If ho aowaa to town ?- Yea, I a* talking

• bout tho urban *stlve« So hswn not gono about It tho

right way.

oa Hod and exenlaodi

QUAZHVANt Jour aystea of location houalng la 0

“lawa ayaton T- Tea.

Partly '<&tivs-ownsc dwellings and psrtly municipal

dwellings ?- T a i.

,!M ih* <**•***>« of tho X u n lelp slltv supporting *atlvea

UBd,a« thm « * * * » • * * 14 th o lr mm feousea owor booa

considered?- Yea, the qusstlon h*s basa brought up bj tho

Satlvo Advisor} Sosrd oa two d lffaro n t o ccs .lo n s, but tha

Coupon has not aeon I ta way to grant t*at aystoR.

Do you ̂sop on to *now *hat tho object lone saro T-

#lll» oa# objectloa wss this, tho majority of t o £*tlveatbat

wo bswo la tha locations In Kteborloy aro more or loas of s

la tho oompou c *, and eventually a gr*at proportion of the«

go basic agala Into tho country d is t r ic t s *

»AGj/igALftt iiuporlnteadent K s t iv e Loeatlcna Kimberley S u n lc lp a l l t j ,

f lo a t in g nsturo. fbsy con* into tho towns to obtain sork

Hr* feo*bra7

; *. •/ ” *-: J - , j . ■ £ . ' . - ■% ' ■■: . -'. ' ■* ; . ' • c.

i - :; c-- - -

* • 7<* »«iUd faal that tbaj ir i act &n a table a

popu 1 s tloa to lan<3 *®noy to T- lot to warrant tha granting

of monas ©a loan to.

•ft* UKUSt i6 « U ^ou not h*f« aaourlty; would

not tha a«a«• Ity of tha building ba good anough ?- That

,C u U datsrlorata, >on aaa. la order so ra*at that problaat.

***• Oounall da old ad on • syet* of ®unlcip*l-o»nad houaaa.

<3»I \liARj §ut tha majority of your Kstlvaa atlll

1*» la thalr o « .houaaa ?- T»af tha «aJorlty gfclll 1 1 *

la tholr own houaaa.

&oaa that not aeaa to aba a a oar tain amount of

Mttl«d-n«as In tha popul» tloa T- *o. In fast, our ^nlvg

©*a«d houaaa ar# lata today tlaa In 19&2, In Ho,2 Looatlon

•nd tha Qraaa Point ^oeatlon.

Ehat araa bafora tha Mu Iclpallty had aubatStutad

unioipai houaaa T- Yaa.

»ut you £ till ha*a *ora Katlvaa living la thalr own

houaaa tnaa K«alalpal houaaa ?- Oh, yaa.

h o » living in thalr own houaaa wuat have a car tain

ahgraetar, i ?raauma t- f t # U , JOu oaa t t ! c < , u fchM q u l | >

55^ of tha oanara of tha Hatlwi-owned houaaa ara not harai

thoy ara la tha hand a of Satlva aganta and being looked aftar.

***** ta of tht dlff leul tl«a ve have with tha *unl<slpal*

caned houaaa In our location.. . • • . . • .

t‘1,t 50u tM l *»“ n « • otaMo population lwr«

t- * • h .» . M l got . K .b l . S .tlT . popul.tlt* to , nJ

large eoheiae on troaa llnaa.

&o you think tha aondltiona har* ahould bo ao dif­

ferent fro* 3lo*»foateln, ahera thera la a ver* large atabla

population T- Bioa«fontain la an agrleulturel district.

aio*»fontolB tcan ?- Bloemfontein ha a had to

"*** provl»loa f« population, whlah ha. laft tha dlffaraat

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fer**e and country dfe triata and which had nowhere elaa to go.

*«r« our population is for t e sin* a nod fflnlag IndJ&irlea

•ad la recruited fro® d»sutoland and Beehuaoalsad and alao

the ^errltcrleai they ara caly b«ri for a short while aaywey.

Sul on tha alnaa t ey ara <ept la t^a oc pounde 7-

fte that that doea net enter into It ?- ^es, their

fariilea ara here for a ahort while.

fha family come a here. Uvea la tha location snd

c an drifts out ?- Tea*

I* that tha eoamon practise t- Yea, It la the comaoa

prsetlae.

It la not like the Hand vines, where tha family etsys

behind la the reserve and tha aaa rex* In a for a abort ah lie ?-

Sol in the aajerity of aaaaa hare the »an hr lag a hla wife

and fa H ly .

SSSftfOR ViS 1ISS.HRKJ Do yea give aeccraaedst ion to

sueh a family ?- yea If aa have It availablet otheralaa aa

hire a«®es*od*tioa la the Satlve-owned housee.

©ft. Surely, there west be a certain pro­

portion of your population settled; thoae that are working

in the stores, fer instsnee ?- Well, If they ara settled

ia Etnberley, *e give then a site on which thej ess build

their ©an houses.

* * • LUCa5 j But you glee the* ac assistance ?• So.

OfcUXWUlM would it not be feasible to lend aoney

to a Katlve to enable him to put up his own house, who hea

lived in Kimberley oontlnuoualy, for a given period T- the

Municipality have ecafiid*red that question, and the; do not

this* that that Is the best policy on behelf of the to w .

Sot?, >ou differentiate between the euargee ia the

different lo cat ion a for the rental of your he use a. Hava you

built different types of houses, or why the differentiation T-

.

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Mr . ^aoLotaald

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tjssmgm

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£het Is oaused by (be two locafcicna, whs re ths 3hsrj.es

sre collected wonthly, having bee" talari over fro* £# Beere

•'ompany, wbo h*0 a higher »s* 1# of 3bargas than we had in

there we oolleat the tax

Forthernore, when «* toon over those loca-

the i onlalpel locstioa, in Sc .2 .

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quarterly ,:■ '- -/ . J|L I I I

tioaa, a# vara put to tremendous expense la trying to

brinp then up to some standard. fhey were in a shocking

condition and «a had to spend a lot of ^cney, and it would

mean a lot of revenue in order to bring it up to that

standard which la a deslreble standard.■ •• - ; -

At tha present rantals charged, can they oover

intaraat and redemption ?• On tha houeaeT

Yea, on the houalag loan a ?- Yea.

si© that tha hlphar charges wars really in excess

of ahat was required ?- Yea •■ - *■ 3 v * ■, T’ i - ,v* ! • *" r ■. ■ ■ * ■■ 1 ■ " - " ' , ■ ■

At lasat fcr intaraat and redemption ?- Yea.:

*4 . LU3< I i ink you ahav a loss for intaraat

and redemption t- Yea, I sbaa a loss, but it la covered

*y tha location ohargac, thst ahieh la credited to location

aharpa», - the rates and dtiorgaa.■ .

^ava you a eopy of jcir detailed aatimatea thera,

^acauaa aa would be able to follow up sons of the polnte

and so save tl*e T» Yea. Thoee era the copies of the‘

estimates for 1921 (handing in document).

A trading site is £1 a wenth I see ?- Yaa.

•'oae that include t^e ©t*ar chargee* dr is it addi­

tional to them f- It includes all tr» other charges.

Instead of 15/ad • qu rt^r, thej pay £1 a ^onthf- ^ea.

S&* ^00 uiHt.; Sot in addition t* Oh* no, not in

addition.• . - • .

the £.1 covers tha l^ /6d ?- Yes.

•* i . LU3Ati It la £3 a qurter, instead of 15/bd t>

1 ■..a • * . .

S:* ItiKAIi But ob your single rooti, you must get

rothor more than lc n a cesser; to recover interest n 4 redemption

* • 1011, you see, we he wo got to t«<e tho whole scheme in

on#* they ore intermixed. You eenaot d If fsreatiete between

the two style* of roona.

You charge relatively ncre for tho single roost thin

for the too roone ?- I hsva never worked out thet point} but

• * » * l e room costs roughly £?6cf for which wo got £?.12.-

sgsinst your two room* &155, for which «o get £1. So I think

it is s very fsir proportion.

IR1U*j Tsieing It rether in relation to the coat,

t at is 1$/- s month, gives you *.7.U.- • yosrj wherees, even

st 10* on the capital, 45*10.- would cover it ?- Oh, yes}only

but then you must not tske the cepitsl ehsrges 4n t**t. ±here

is wster end sanitary services la connection with that.

. I wsa going to ssk you if you will dis­

tinguish those end explsin how eauch is sliowed in eeeh of

t see figures for these services t- All the e srgea are

under the ordinary location rates, or inclusive.

Sow did you srrivo st these figure*? You *u«t hsvo

had some eet mate of whet these ehsrges should be lndlvldusllyt-

*o 11* previously, neny years sgo, our ehsrges were 10/- site

rent.

O tA S tt lA S : A quarter ?- A quarter. then they were

roieed somewhere before ay time to 12/ttd. fhea s well rent

of 2/ad for the different houses w*a placed on them} then

wo inereaaed the sanitary aervices and we placed thet sum

to cover refuse removals, better esnitstloa and euch like}

10 reined it to 15/>d. So we oan ta*e watsr rste ae J/-,

ssnltstion charges 2/6d, stead ront 10/-} that is for tho

lsrgo location.

Mr . Macdonald

M?U LUCASx While we • e on tha question of

accounts; If a native hue hi*? o*-n pall for which he la

oharged 2/6d. per .^onth, la that 15/ad. reduced for Im?—

so.

So really you are aald.Bg him to pay 10/• a quarter

on that baa is then for his service?-- Fell, not exactly

tr.st i*ets; ha haa t><e defuse -;«usoval service a* eell*

-it then he get# thet in the J5/*# doea he not?-**

Ye*. You would In order to meet thet noint in the to»n~

for a private pall, it le 5/- • month? but in ord^r to make

It eorreepond wluh the aanltary rate p* Id In the locations,

ee heve made a fixed rete for the lcoatlona of half-a-srown.

la It the aim* number of remo vale vsekly for the

native at for the uropean?— Yea.

*«£ C:iAlHi44»i c that you eould think that the

rentals charged noa, taken in senJunatica with jour rates,

do not ycu an adequate amount tc cover Interest and

redemption*-- Mot quite. There I s a dfffere.tce, ;ou g*e.

In 19*0 we actually lost ££$&•

MAJGtt AID ft 30!?: It covers Interest and redemption

out not other charges?— Yea.

MH • U M S f Of that lV ^ A c?r ^o« crecdlt t,ve loca­

tion rates snd charge* vlt% * “><5.?— heee fccutes ere cx’edit-

ed with 15/bd.

fill yew look st your flgnrts on page y job will

see there location rates snd sfesrfss £723, and Yes.

How what ie included In those figure a?— The

iooation ratea and charges, the ordinary stand rent of the

location.

The whole of the 15/6d Yes. In r€fS: <j t0

the single room#, we charge £2.15. 6 Spain st one bloe'«.

Thle is In reepect of nsunlcitjull- owned heaeea only?-

So you have tbs equivalent of thr®: hundrsa houeee

than according tc that x.964 on hat bftgle} la that the

position?— lea; that in alac to help to p*i for tha general

;Mpatlnlatratlv* charges « • well.

Ia thla 0 or raft 1 ara you allocating tha rental

that you receive for theaa houaaa co that 15/ >d. s quarter

will ba put to location rate a and charges, and tha balance

tov Interest and redemption?— Tee. 1 aae 1 have a special

charge for maintenance; that ia the maintenance of tha build­

ing* .

T m * §•* whether it ia e 41 e month or 17/od. a

?onth that tha uativa ia p»?iag, you allocate 3/<£d. of that

for location rate a aad Charges* and aaintenance?-- Yea.

QAX&ASi Bo*, c*a the natives afford t pay tha

ran tale jou charge for asoniolpal houses?— Tea, we have

found tteis to he vary reasonably and sail vlthiu the reach of

tha native.

JfAJCh AKD ftiSCSi it la about 25$ of the earning

capacity?— Tea.

Bo 79* not thin* that 25* ia ret her high?— s e ll ,

la Johanna aborg I thiak it la

QSAIH^UIU Teaj but that dots a not aneeer the

question. Dc ^ou not think it ia too high a proportion?—

So# I do not think ao.

SfAJOE hKb Ir not 10$ uaua1.1 y recognised ag

tha areuni a wan should pay for rent?— So.

SttfcX KAtft I think jcu *111 acrsit that 25% la a

high parosntage of the earn lags by the head of a family?—

That question cam** up for diacuselon hare at a eonfarenoa I

attended— bo fore tha Conference It the general opinion

of the different Adrainiatrators there that vae a reason­

able figure.

Kor the natives?-- Tea, in urban areas.

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*»* It the general opinion of the eetivee?— Bo,

of the Kstive A c irinlstrators.

Sox, the f 1r urea that ?ou give for the death rata.

How have these be*n arrived at with regaxd to tha rural srees—

not the geneeal rate, the infantile mortality retei how have« . ■

these hewn arrived at for the rurel area of tcimberley?— Thoae

figsres ere taken from the He port of the »edicel Offioer of

tie* 1th for the Kimberley Distriot, which includes not only

the urban area, but also the r«*a 1 area.. . . - ^

But do you happaa tc kno* ahat statistics he goes

on?— I have no idee.

registration of dee the is not compulsory tn the

rural area?— ea, X think It is; but of course I s» not

sble te ssy.

With rega*^ te the urban area, do you knee any­

thing about the way in whi h the mortality rates have been

calculated?— They are calculated, I take it, on the number

of buriale that era reported, and also on the nimber of

deaths.

.

With regard te the destha, I take it everyone has

to be report*<5 in order tc pat a burial ~rdsr?— Yea

Do y o u xnos of places she re bodies hswe been taken

away from the location, and burled out in the country?— th,

no.

Do you think that would be a complete record of

the deethe?— >es, thst is a complete record of the deaths.

Affe you of opiaion that the record of the buriele

ia complete?— He, I a is not.

Do you think there la any aerioue discrepancy?—

I do.

^ th# * i*w e will probably not be es high as

* 3 P « thousand?- That f i g * . . . does not represent in our

opinion tha correct mortality.

It i i something lower than that?-- It la somethingp i

very much lower .

itft, Evfl- iivC.:4 50*. Par t*©u(*ad It terrible; It

la one . i n n — Tea. I . U t at&ta » gra«t nvwfcer of natlvt

woman whan about tc hava 6 ah 114 go out in tiis country dis­

tricts.

gUfcXJ&AITr la th*t a cor^co practlcc fcera?— Yea.

Am; that child’• burial in not registered of ceurea In Kimber­

ley* If it ensmld die when tha »6ther goes bs:Tsc tha death

its regiavjred agaimat it . Of south* ia *©»t urban areas you

teave that difficulty.

DR. «0B5HT^ ? Ia It bncRuaa tha wemfcn wanta to go

ar«ong bar own people?— U l<* bec«'se ar»« wants t« fas among

har own people

QUA 1 -ciUfe : ;.h<? re deee she got tnera ara net a©

many places round aoout?— tauagas there ara large locatlcng'

too, in the Barkly District.

tnaj I say with the urjffiirrted girls; tha glrla who have co»a

into t wn to *or< aa aerventa, and who hap nan tc. baoosje preg*

i M p t a

Jjii, Ihat ia common almost all ©war tha

torld that woman 4-ould go back to thotr own people?— Yaa.

CH&IcStAK:: How, tb* water suppij «a«M bare to ba

chargad to tha location at about 2/KMk cr 2/1(4 » p? r gallon.

Ia that correct?— In 1 9 ^ one location where we bad tha watar

kno*n aa unfiltered water— that waa water which had not bean

pasaeo through tha mala reaervolr— had a certain ef«©u nt of

filtration at the Intake reaervolr; we woulo charge 2/bd.

par lwCv ior that; but water which bad paased through tha

filtered water re servo Ira* and earwed to Qraos Feint and *0 .

x- location, we ware charged k/- per loco pailona. However,

It ia quite a common thing?— Yeai aapedaily

for the preaant year, on account. of representstlona that,

were stace to tha Oity Council, the a ©unt has beta reduced

to 5/- per thousand pallone h r tha filtered water, ^»p *» -

the tutflltarad water la at tha same p lea, nemely, 2/6d. par: ’ - ‘ ' ̂ ; *' 's‘ .- ; *Vi *. * ■ ■

1000,■

feh»t oharge la sad* to houses in Ziaberley?—• - <■ - -"'22 ’v i &• ' v > ; S*. • V - '-■ 9m s»eter, 6/8d. par ivOG. v

That la, of course, filtered watar?— Yea* other-. . ••'' V\« .; :,:s’ ' •■-_ • ,

eiaa you can be served by monthly contract, when you gat a

reductleft** : __;v ‘ . • > • ' ; / >■’ Y % - X .. 1 f ' - ‘ •' ‘ - ! ‘ V $ % -V. ’ - ' ' a . v -v S * %

fhat la if they ts*3 large q«an».i,.ieer— Yea.V. \ ' *' I-'., v, j '

Hh. LUCA.: But this is on a asaouuv aa far aa tha

Utmlafpallty is concerned?— Yea.

They have none of tha distribution cbargae charged

t4 private bouses?— So* tha waterworks Dep*rt*ent infornad

se that the cost of tha «ater delivered In Xlatberlay is about

V 2d , per 10G0, ao that we are getting it really under coat

price.

■ syphilis Pjl, HCBSSt?St Apparentiy ;our sipbyiva eaaes

repreeentaebout on«-tentb, does it notf— Tea; ia fact, it

seer* e % • be on tba iuorastfi*

You ara taking wora car* nos?-* that is ona reason,

of course • '■« get s tremendous lot in froa the country dls-

tricte.

US, LBCA^: Are those individuals who a re treated?—

Ihoas *re lnalvldual treatments*

this price of ^/2d.| U that tha price

dellv^rsd in the reservoirs in Kimberley?— 5fo) dellvsredin

the pipes in the town*

r at Includes the cost of the reticulation tin town?--

Yes.

Ifhich h»7* ncit got to the aa«a extent in the loca­

tion?— Oh, no.

4 " 3 S '/

m .

' •:!£

You have seven tradi licenses held b ̂ nsttvea of

various kinds* could you t*ll us ho* nsay applicationa you

have had?— I suopoa* «s have tumsd down about four apoll-

oat ion*, it hi ch *e conaidareo ua suitableI 1 " '■*' ,'•' * v i ' s. ' '■ _ i ^ ' : ' Jl *. - * i 1 - ■<'*

i w i ’

V ' i ' "j* <-: • : -'*:•• • j* .

, **\ i|il V-- ’£ 'M

■

■ . ?®jP̂ PP - ■ ■j i-- ■'■• ’’'.5

i , r .3»>!g

kj*,- ;x *£$£&£ .•.?* .

--

?T r A V 5 •. V'

On *hot ground*?— Thar* hev# been about fifteen

applications ao far, a a van of whlsh have be»a established.

and eight ara pending. Ihose who have been granted tha par-

-lesion ara building their shops, and 1 think wa hava had

•bout four applications which *s did aot consld-r wara ault-

aola .— tha applicants wara not suitable or «»ra ua in a pos­

ition to start buaiaeta.

I want to p&st on to your vary exoelleat paper on• ’ A n - '■ , ’• ' \ •■ ; ,V 5 v-Jr-ZC'--■ ' r * - * " .*?-'> ' ‘ v ’/ : "I i t ; • ' /

tha liquor position la Dm Jspa Province no*. *;cu want Ion

eartaln objaotloaa to dc®«atla brsvln^j thara ara thosa

auffioiaat to oond*?tn itj I ts^« it you ara ensre that In

ftny ayatara you oan put forward you can rales objaotlona?—

Or ojisr to abuaa.

Thay ara all opan to abuaa?— Wall, eftar oara-

ful con a la *r at ion ftxic anqulrias into tha matter in plaeea

whsrs they have dc»astla brewing, such is at Bloemfontein,

I eerteinly thinic the objeetlona I have mentioned in thla

Report are suffleiant.

At present jou have prohibition here?— Yes..

Let as isfee your objeetions la repsrd to tnst.

It voulcts* Impossible to regulate end control the slooholia

tstreagt,h of beer?— T *« .

i>© you regulste sad aontrol the slechollo strength

of *nat la being drunk nos?— No.

1 tea* It you admit quite an appreelsble quantity

It drunk in spite of your prohibition — Oh, yea, undoubted-

ly.

Aad there Is no control at all?** So. Of eourse,

being prohibited, action esn be taken tasted Is tel} epelast

Collection Number: AD1438

NATIVE ECONOMIC COMMISSION 1930-1932, Evidence and Memoranda

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