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'Ihe S ubm i t F i te subcommand 1n Journa 1 apparentl y retlu i reFt you to typ~ the di r ectory name (It couldn't lind the file when 1 dIdn't). Thls is poor. Furthermore, most 0" the other commands with "File" 1n their nam e expect II TEN E X :fjle name; thi s one expec ts a lInk. Why not Just one " Submit Link" command??
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) ( J 1 54 15 ) 30- VAR -7 3 0:06; Title : Author{s): Deutsch, L . Pete r /LPD; DistrIbution: /NP; Sub- Co ll ections: NIC NP ; Clprk: LPD;
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LPD 2 9 -YA R-73 23:49 Re: text edito r s v a. NLS
[ prefe r the Journal ~or communication s inc e I g et a permanent copy.
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LPD 29-MA R-73 23:49
G0: text editors VB. NLS
Replying to your SNDMSG: I ' m not ~ctJvcly lnvolved In any NLS va. text editor comparison, although I am Interested in the subject and particip~ted in a NLS vs. WYLBUR dLuloa (in the Journal) with Dick Wa~Bo n (RWW) and others l ast year. 1 will read yo~r file ( BA I RfTBXTED ,) with Interes-t . r all' .familiar with the 940 text editor , QED, the PDP-IO editor, TEeO, the Nova ser i es editor, and various ATS/360 services; also with 940 and PDP-IO RUNOFF j also with some lesser-known systems like the BON-LISP editor (which Is entirely LrSP-orjent~d but has a tot o~ similarities to the NLS structure editor). Inv es ti ga tions .
Please keep lII.e posted on .further
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Author(s): Deutsch, L . Peter IL~D; NIC; Cle r k: LPD;
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(J1 5117) 30-MAR-73 9 :26; Title: Author(s): PadlipSky , Michael A. / NAP; Dls~ rl bu~ Jon: /JEW; Sub-Collec~lun s : N{C; Clerk: MAP;
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NJN 30-MAR-73 5:59 ~or~ on Boston-NLS
It seems th8~ the onLy ~ea8jble way to conduct an out-of-~own
TNLS cnurse is through 8 TIP; with any host you g et the double toad overuse problem . Thet"e are only two TIPs in the Boston ar~a--CCA and us . Our TIP is an exp~rimental machine and o~ten need~d 10r testin& , maintenance or debuMg ing . Speciut arran a ements have to be made to set jt aside for a couple of days . But by June thln iC.B may have chan j(ed: there Ulay be another local T[P in the picture and we May have all our new terminals avallabLp. and ready to be bro~en it . We may al s o have a proper !lnlac "for dnls use as wett. 1 don ' t kn o w what .fucilltl e s CCA has, mostly 2741 ' s and diat-in modems I think. 1 cftn ask around a bjt here, but not too se r iousLy un11L we know there Ls n d enlan d . Keep me posted .
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NJN JO-NAR-73 5 : 59 154 18 more on Ros ton-NLS
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(J1 5418) JO-MAR-73 5 : 59; Title: Author ( s ~: Neiaus , Nancy J. /NJN; nI9~rlbutjon: IDVN; S ub-Collections: NrC; Clerk: NJN;
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Bu~ in Create Display When Formatting TAUS
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WLB 30 - NAR-73 11: 36 1 54 19 Bug In Cre~ t e DispLay When Formatting TABS
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DHC 31-HAR-73 14:09
Go t your message . tnx. witt re-boot to lsL and bbn and tool around a while and Bee what happens .
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CJ154 3 0) 31-MA.R-73 14:09; Author(s): Crocker , David H . IDRC; Distrlhution: IJEW; Sub-Cottectlons : NrC; Clerk: DUC;
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JAKE 31-NAR-73 17:47 Display termInals
When T was in Washinaton D.C. last Apr!l checking on In~ormation retrieval networks in ~he government 1 could not help but notice that most oJ: the places .l visited were using Datapolnt display 'terminals . Without knowing anythin8 about our requirements or about what Datapolnt terminals our needs, [ pass this In~ormation on to you. Jake F .
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JAKE ~ 1- MAR-73 17: 4 7 1 5431 Display terminals
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(JI 543t) 31 - MAR-73 17:47; T j t le: Author(s): Fe in1ert E li zabeth J . (Jake) IJAKEi Dist ri b ution: I MEH DIA; Sub-Collecti o n s : SRI- ARC ; Clerk: JAK E;
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WL8 ll-MAR-73 14:28 Journ~l Development Sug~e8tions (Response to -- 1 5407 ,)
Dave -- 1 have ~he lotlowin~ o~~-~he-cut~ Ruggestions re imminent Journal system developmen~: (1) USie the cJ~at'on :forma~ provIded by my user-program. IIF" as a startJn~ poInt ~or COmparison with the current ~ormat and solicit user feedback on the relative merits o~ these two ~ormats and other possibilitlee . (2) C onsider adding the distribution list ~eature8 J outLined in (14464, ) -- or at least the di9tr lbute-~0- sa .. e-list-as Journal N capabilIty ( RWW also had some suggestions along these lines). (3l Provide a clean Interface to alLow programs to obtain ca.talog numbers and s ubmit messages and ~iles to the Journal -- you ~lght want to read my pape r on "Dialog-Supported Debuga lng Syst",,,, 11 concepts ~o r background on this suga estion (151 0 1,t:hW).
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WLB 3 1-h1 AR- 7 3 1 4 : 2 8 Jou r n a l De v e l opme nt S u ggest i o n s ( Response to -- 1 5 407 ,)
( J1 5 4 3 2 ) 3 1-MAR-7 3 14: 28 . Ti tl e ! Author(s': Bass , 'Wa lt I WLB ;
D i str i b uti o n: / s r i - u r c ; S u b - Co tl ec tl one : SR I-ARC ; C Le r k: WLB;
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re: I -fourth' Imp-hos t lnter:fo.ce at UCLA
1 believe ttlis matter to be a ~lsunderBtandlng and sent a me~o to NCC at BBN , DOLAN and SCHELONKA to this effect.
I sugMest that you pe opl e read it carefully •••
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(J1 5433 J 2-APr.!-1'J 15:42; Title: Author(s) : o ttikit.inen, Arl A. J.
JA R I; Distr Jbution: /AA M DCW3 BAD; Sub- Co ll ect ion s : NrC; C l erk! ARl;
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que s tion about status o~ [ also asked to have tip
taiLored to support an I MLAC interacting wjth the NlC and dnLs usi n g I MNLS III t 1200 buud . Cun this be done? [:I so, may we have port 6 on the USC-TIP receIve this trea t mel1t?
AS mentioned in that meB9A~e , [ would like thut port to always be 1200 baud , in/out with no hunt , ASCJI • • • • flenge respond soon.
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DeE l-APR-73 21:06 Supportlnll: . LB (15387,) re TNLS print-parameter naul1na (15312,)
1 a a ree wj1;h walter ' s comments In (1 5387, ), and urge tha't we chan g e 'the TNLS terms 'to compLy with the long-establlshed Output PRucosso r direclve termJnolog Ya There 1s no ques li on in my mind tha t the two do~alnB o~ prIntout controls should usc the 8a.e concept s and terMS; it seenls natural to s tick with the established ones; If It Is not a a reeable to the TNLS deveLope rs to do so, 1 would like to hear the ar~ume nta
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DCE 1-APR-1 J 21 : 06 Supportin@ WLB (15381,) re TNLS print - parameter nami.ng (1 5::1 12,)
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DVN 2-APR-73 21:33 Computer-Aided-Instruction, S RI Service to RADC,Cheup Terminals
SyLvia Meyer
Wh e n you were here you mentioned a SyLvia Meyer who is interested in Computer-Aided instruction o~ NLS. Could you s a nd rne her nddress? 1 would like to i nvl ta her 1:0 a TNLS
cLas s and in g eneral g et in touch with h(>r,
Morning Net Spport
The other mornina you all couldn't log In uI\til after B because no one was here who could recycle the net. ) talked to Jim about Improving the quality of operator SUp llort off Ilours Ilere, I Journalized the conversation (JournaL,t5404), und hove (toad hopes we ,.,ilt do 80methlnM about It.
How Much S ervice We Can Give?
A number 0 1 mornings after 9 :00 here thero have b e en more than "tour users trolll Rome onlIne. As you probably know, I called you about it one day and talked with TON. We're realLy loaded thos e hour s , and there Is the furthr problem that a surtlt of users .from Rome keeps other network u s ers troQl g etting in. That' s psycholo g ically worse .tor them than "for you since you have u comunlty reservoir which Includes atLeast som e g ood experelnces with the systeM. A g uy who has u se d the system n e ver or a "few tiiNes and trys to lo~ in three ti_e s In a row and ~ e t s refused every time is likely to a o away_
The other atternoon [ talked with Mac about make major Loa an a User. i sug p:ested you
his p roposal to all let him lo g in
under RADC, or maybe, since he Is in Wushi.ng ton, under one of the users in Washin g ton , ARPA, Nitre-Ti.p, etc. I pointed out that NLS service is 1n alL respects the same It h e comes In through RADe, and that only AHC and ROrtle useres normally have directories usoeiated with indivIdual s .
o t course he can't a et TENEX S NDMESSAGES unless he is a T ENEX usnr; but [ repor~ed tha~ the upeommln a Ne twork Moil Protocl will .ake our idents usabLe tronl a nywhe re on the net to anywhere on the net.
White [e m on the negative part ot this document, Let me r eport 'that the possibILity of our and your usln" th e lSI machine i s in Jepordy. The reason is the a rowina load on their
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DVN 2-APR-73 21 : 33 Computer-Aided-Jnstructlon, SR [ Se rvice to RADC , Cheap Terminale
Would You Like Periodic Catalog s o~ Your Journal it ems ?
Let me offer a service that is easaey for us: l 'f I t would be usetul to you we could gene rat e re " ualrlly , say monthly, the Title Wo rd, Author , or some other Cut of the indices of the RADC Journal 8ubcollection. We could either make it into an online ~Ile, o r mail you hard coopy, or bo t h. Interested?
Cheap D isplays
There Is a lot ot interest he r e thea days (Journal,14857) (Journal , 15339 ) i n cheaper display termi nals for the Network. On e possibl Lity is to hook several non - g raphic , video terminals to a mini which wouLd support the mi ce , und co nn ect ing the mini to the TIP or I UP involved, thUR reducing th e cost per t e r~lnal. It has b een suages t~d that Bome peop le 1 n SR r, not ARC bu t wi"th our coopera t 1 on, propose to 80lDe one to develope such a system.
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Title: Author(s): Van Nouhuys , Dirk (r_(lor your In"tormatlon) J CN(cc );
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Some Su~aestions fo r the Journal: HGL 2-APR-73 10:29
Response to (1 5407,'
The lollo.ing are some short ott' the top 0.1 my head suggestions concern ln @ possible addlt"ions to the Journal In response to JDH ' s request (1540 7 r ,.
Have a category ot messa&e .hlch does not ~e t stored in the permunent Journal collection.
Several .eeke a&o a user requested the possibilIty or including quotes (II) in Journal tItles .
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(J154 3S ) 2-APR-7310 : 29; Title: Author(s): Lehtman, Harvey G. IHGL; Distribution: IJdh ; Sub-Collections : SRf-ARC ; Clerk: UGL; Orl~ln: (LEHTMAN)JRNNBSS.NLS;1, 2 -AP R-73 10:01 HGL ;
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JON 2-APR-73 11: 51 Comments on Present and PossIble ARC Cata log Procedures
The text 01 th i s is the same as 1540 6 , with an attempt to Met the matrix to prInt out In the for", it was prepared .
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JON 2 -APR-73 11:51 Co. ments on Present and Possible ARC Cataloa; Procedures
Re.re are SOlne coallllents relatina to WDK ' s memo {1 5 366 ,» and NEJ 's Olema (15370,' on ARC's prac ti ces In contents ot documen t s which are Bent into ARC hands by other means.
recording the existence and to ARC people or which fa ll
1. There are distinct dl~terences In the purposes o~ a n d disclosure al lowable in: notes In a personal lile , notes In a d"'J)artmental fI l e , a n d notes in a 1'i l e or docutllent widely di s tributed o r available to the ARPANBT or to the genera l p ub l i c .
Our onli n e f il es serve a l~ these purposes , and the game inclUdes makin& rul es ~o~ each which a ive the optimum protect i o n fo r the intormation consistent w i th its disclosure .
2. There are disti nc t di~~erences in the disclosure g i v en In: notin a the existence of a document (logg ing or cataloa in g ), notin ~ its co nt ents ( abst r acti n g ), and rep rodUcin g its contents (println~ or Xeroxln~) .
Our onl ine fi l es conta in in1orlllatlon in each o::t these catQ~orles , and the Mame inclUde s mUking rules for each wh i ch aive the optim um informution tra nsfer cons i sten~ wit h any nece s sa r y p r otection .
3 . Th e re a r e diat inct differences in the treatment approprIate to recor d in ~ : persona l corresponde n ce , or~anizatio na l
corresl.ondence , unpublished text o~ a prop rI etary nature , published material prepared under go v ernme nt contract, published ~aterJa l prepared wlth p rIvat e (non ao v ernment) lunds.
AL L of the .aterlals whIch are l ikely to come under catalogI n g processes may be ca t egorized . WIthout gett ing Into 1'ine le g a l distinctions which a r e in Il t i Ma tion a nd which probably are not important to us at this ti .. e , here is a start:
Pe r s Corr . Personal correspondence: Letters addressed to an individual, even at an organiza ti onal address .
Ora Ca rr. -- OrRsniza tional co rrespondence: Letters addressed t o a n o r ganIzatI o n, even thoua h to th e attention of an indiv idual . Woul d include employment applicatlons , pate ntable item s ubmiss i ons from outsiders .
Unpub Prop Text . -- Unpublished text o~ a proprie t ary nature : Unmui l ed letters, technical papers not yet accepted
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by the ~overnMent o r publisher. ln1'ormal
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Publ Gov Nat. Published material prepared under ~overnMent contract. InclUdes technical reports, journal articles , meetiuM papers, and even books prepared by individuals as part 01' .ork on a goverDme nt-~unded project.
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Some obvious implications o~ accepting the above are tllat:
1 . We need to begin to dis~ineulsh among the types of files, entering into each only tbe items proper for the fIle , and on ly the information about any It em which is proper tor the .lile .
2. We need to begin to distinguish the materials to be noted in the ~lies , enterinR each only in the proper 11les and ente r in~ the information about each which is proper ~or the , I La.
3. We need to set up p r ocedures by which the sta~us of an item may be chanMed. E. a ., the release of a personal letter fo r abBtractln~ in a public file , or the reproduction for public dIstribution of a proprietary item.
4 . We need to act on a concept alreadY In ARC catato& des i gn , the theory 01 sete. We need provi sion "for a tuLl entry of information Includln@ an abstract 01 an Item to be entered io+o one f jle while only a notation entry is sent to another. ThIs would allow abstrac t s 01 pe r sonal letters to go into a perRonel £i l e wh il e only a log-type cn talog entry would go 1n to the pub li c tiles ..
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(J1 5439 1 2-APR-7 31 1: 5 1; Tl~le: Author(s): Nor th, Jeann e B. IJBN; DistrJbution: I dee Mdk rww jen MeJ • Sub- Co llections: SRI-A RC ; C l e r k : JBN; Orl Rin : <NORTU>COM~ENTSONCATRBV . NLS;l, 2-APR-13 11:44 J BN ;
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JON 2 - APR-1 3 12:11 Journal Features and Changes Desired
Chunges and f'eo.tu r es I would 1J ke to seEt i n the Journal.
I. Place the link In the ~i rst lIne 01 the e ntry In the Init ial 1 j 1 c.
2 . Provide an option ~or persona l notes And corr~spondence so that ttle not e Is readable only by the autho r and any r ec ipients. No indicat i o n of the nu~ber or o~ its use shoul d appea r eLsewhere .
We a r e e volvin g tow ard the i ne vi ta b L e , the pro vi s i on o~ th re e c l asses 01 IQ~ormatlon: personal, g roup, a nd pubL ic. Reterence the recent discussion o~ catalog entries (15366 ,) ( 1537 0 ,)
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links read "Journal Fi le"
We have started , wltll the 3-author paper for the June co n£erence, the convention of the t e r~s IIJ ournul Flle " a n d HCa t alog I t em " to d i st In"ulsh p r oper ly between .tull- text and citation 11 1e en tri es .
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The Journal s hould not, as it p resent ly does , change the ~ormb t of ma t e rial s ubmitt ed . It is undesirable to chop up hi~hly tor~atted text to fit ~he Procrustean bed . It is a ne ga tion 01 the claim to Q; r eat" user r esponsiveness t hat th e user cannot ass um e hi s output will con~orm to hi s visible input. Fo r examp1.e , COMpar e (1 5406 ,) and tile (ilorth,commenteoncat,)
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(J1 5440 I 2 -APR-7 3 12:11; Title: Autho r{ s ): North, Jeanne B. IJBN ; o is tr Ibut ion: /sri-arc ; Sub- Co t lections: SRI-A RC i C l e rk: JON; O rl ~ln: (NORTH)JOURFEAT. NLS ; 2 , 2-AP R-7J 08 : 59 JBN ;
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JBP 2-APR-73 17: 5 6 comment on tel net
ulex-- I know this Is ruther lute in coming bu1: have u 8u~t'eetlon -tor s moothln8: out the ne a oiated options stutf for options requirins subne @01:iatioDs . why not have a code at the l e v e l of do dont etc . catted " sub n~@oitation" or "S81' Bueh that the 9 uhn eilolatlons could use the same cod e as the j r prefix as was used in do - doni: eXchang e . a disad vanta~ e o~ thls is thut i~ a [AC S 8 F OO Is sent to a I(uy that didn't neg olate FOO he wont know what to do , where as wIth the current scheme he mi g ht have a chunce hy saylna donl (thoug h any parameters wIll cause hime trouble, so its not much different) . this would have the ad v antaAe oL havina only one I'tetnatl' code for each 01)1100. what do you think? - - Jon.
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1'111 aware that several t.ilnes a day (I wou1.d guess ' t.he Network 'han gs ' for SOnle undeternalned reason, anet either the Net-related system Jobs (HETSBR, FTPSRV, etc.) have to be
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Within the last coup l e 01 weeks , we've also see~ upon occasion a distInctly d i£~erent, Net-related problenl which BPems to Involve in put ~ro~ a few Net pseudo-tty line s ge tting clobbered, causin8 users to ge t bells in response to theIr in pu t.
The hope, at l.east on Rly part, ha.s been that th e quirks that we've observed In the Net are characteristIc 01 1.29 , and that the Net will perform more reliably under 1.31 (In which the Network-reLated, monitor code has undergo ne a major rewrite'. The intent was to avoid t.he investment of substantiaL amounts of time (Rline) tracking down bugs In code ~hat wa.s soon to be (and haa now, with 1. 3 1) heen 'thrown away.
lhe N'ptwor.k code in our system should run as reliably as any other piece o~ the monitor, and shouLdn't (though certainly has in th~ past) require baby-sitting.
Ny feelJng about Dirk's me~o (see -- 15404,) is that we should observe the performance of the Network under 1. 3 1 lor a week or two. If it doesn't fly, we should Jnvest my tIme and/or approach SBN ahou't trackIn@ down the bugs .
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Notes taken durin~ a discussion 01 NLS-supported data-base workln co nn ect ion with Dick S chmi dt ' s proJect 1n the Envir onme nt al Croup.
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Meeting Notes : Energy Data-Base ProJect.
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Sub.jec t: To what extent can NLS he appLied to the de v e l ovmen t o~
the ene r ay data-hase planned by ARPA?
Par~icipan~s: Dave Be r g , Lynn SpragQ6 and Dick Sch~idt 10r the E nvir on men tal G roup (briefly JOin ed by others) . Dick Wa ts o n, Mike Kudlick, C harles lrby a nd Jacques Vallee for the Aug menta tion
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Backg round: Last Summer the E nvironmental Group did a study for ARPA Bne rMY Progr am Planning. They pointed Dut to them ( Rudy BLaCk Ls their contac t) that a Data Mana g ement problem ex i s ted in eve r y ~ i e ld oZ the operations of th e DOD Energ y Resource . 5
They had 8 0.0 experience runnIng IN PACT and doin g some work for th e NAPD S (Navy pollution Data-Base S y s tem). On that basis th ey go t 40K ~or a conceptual desIgn s tudy of an energy data-b as.:!. This has Just been expanded to 65K with the u n de r s tandin g that a demon st ratlon wi ll take p lac~ in 6 months. 5,.
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Dick Wa~son introduced the particIpants and opened the mee tIn g . The bock~round of ~helr project was r e vi ewed . Dick Schmi dt pointed out ~hat he wa s in the p rocess or wrIting the proposu l a nd needed B cle4r view o t the alternatives.
There i s a fcelin s at ARP A that no ex isting S toraMc/Retrieval syste~ wi ll be able to do this Job Bnd they want a ne w one developed . They do n ot want to apply a n existIng data-base system to eoer QY data. Instead th ey wa nt t o des I gn an ARPANET-oriented system tha~ will support ener~y da ta
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Lynn Spraggs sa ld that they hud already looked a t and
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re.Jected several data management systems, including INQUIRE and SYSTEM 2000. Vallee asked if they were famIliar with GYPSY, which is used in mineral data base application s, or 0$ RANtS , which Standard Oil has used extensively . They had not heard of these systems. Mike Kudl Lc k men~ioned RETRIEVE, which they had not tested either .
Jacques Vallee asked what would ~ypica t uses o~ the do~a-base be. D ick Sc hmi d t ans.ered that the DOD wanted to be able to f ind out infor_ation like "What DOD unit is workin g on totat utility sys t ems?n Tbey a1.so want to keep an inventory 0-( c 'urrent projectSt they need sornethi ng that's I) manallement tool. They need a,ccess to energy statistics , projected de~ands (by whom, how, wben). This includes literature Indexin g of' non - DOD sources . What can be uBed at other oganizations ?
The needs as descrIbed cail ~or a flexible, restructurable data- hase with Interactive query capability , processing (in the sense 0'" updates, sorting , hardcopy) and analysis.
MIke Kudl i ck remarked that this seemed to imply access to mathema'tical processing t-oo. The a nswer was that no modelin~ will be required , but some analYSis capabilities are needed.
Jacques Val l ee poi nt ed out that update (rather than ~ite c r eation and Interrogation) was the key phase in retrieval systems . What would be the ~orm o~ the updating operations? D l ck SchmIdt did not know thi s , bu t Lynn Sprag gs saId thata frag mented data-bank was needed. By this he see~s to mean
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Dick Watson brought 1he meeting back to the p r oblem o~ supporting such ener ilY tiles undc_r NLS , and Nl ke Kudlick asked what would be the limitatIons In terlns of file sj z e . 7 d
Lynn S"rag gs answered that 10 mIlli o n characters would be a r e asonable esti mate . Vallee expressed surprise that the Job could he done with such smal l amount-s o~ data , that docs not seem adequate to cover even basic minin g Information.
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Charles Irhy said that the limitations o~ NLS Itsoll were defIned by the use of an eighteen-bit address pointer for flles~ We handle up to 400 paGes for data and tOO puges Lor struc ture In a a lven file. 7d2
Dick Watson saId that we were currently invest i ga ting the possibility ot using NLS-asslsted Lite ~anjputatlon, makIng use oL a network inter1ace. Data were edited and cleaned up in NLS , then sent out to another site for processing. 7d3
Lynn Spr&R£S described the system they were aiming at as a randomly-structured one altowloM search on portions of data. Inverted lists would be maintained, sortlna would be avaiLabLe and muttl-Ievel searches would be allowed. 1d4
Addi~ionoL capablli~ies would include opera~inQ on retrieved data, e.a. co~pare it to other data, correLate J~ with bibLioaraphies, create index entries, e~c.
ULtimately they want to be able to search ge neral bibLiographIes and to move to the data section Lrom article ~bstracts.
Jacques Vallee saId that there was a ~hird way in which NLS couLd be profitabLy applied ~o ~he problem (the first two alternatIves are 1) new syste~ entirely in NLS - reJec~ed
beCAuse o~ t,te size And speed, and 2) NLS-assisted work on the Net'
The third aLternative would be to use NLS for what i~
does best, nameLy the support 01 dialogue amon~ the distributed communIty bUiLdinK up the da~a-ba8e: Linkina the people enaa~ed in data-~athcrlna and system detinition. This would enable ea rly demonstration ~o the sponsor ot an actuaL working system that could deveLop Into a data-base support pro~ram.
Ttle mee t in s terminated with discussion about what could be achieved in t our months, and whe~her we shouLd view this as A "piLot" prroJect. Mike Kudlick WAS concerned that we might g ive ~he sponsor the LeelJna he was ge ttIng the foundation of an actual system when he wus ac~uuLly ~etting
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c~me awa y 1rom the meeting wIth t h~ ~ee tln g that too tittle was know n abou t user req uirements to make specific recOQlmendations regal"dln~ NLS support . The file sIzes quoted durin g the djscussio n did not appear be lievable e v e n 1n 8 prell~lnary, experimenta l .~Y . NLS cou l d be used immedJateLy as a dlaloa support sys tem aMon g data-baBe builders, bu t its abi Llty to support heavy ~i t e transfer and e dltJng on the Net wllt not be t eBted unt I L we h a ve a chance to experiment with ou r o wn Catalo " .
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l) WI ll you allocat e a :Lew mo r e VIl BT ' s to r UCSB?il Names like NETUCSBl , NETUCSB2, etc .. would be ok. 2 )Do i h a v e a conceptual mi8unrto~standin~ 01 the RESET commanu? My p r ocess us es RESET t o make at l jobs have ~he same prio rity and ~hen uses it a ga ln to set a 9peci~lc job to pri o rity 220 . J f , a~ter tbut job prin ts o ut , I open the printer c hann e l fo r morr Jobs n one come . The prior i ty 1 u se initially is 7 0 . F ro_this desc ri ption , am I do in g gomethln ~ wrons? I expected t ha t ~he p rIorlt( 7 0 jobs would co.e nut anyway .. It: you wan"t to call , my numbe r i s ](322 1 a t UCSB . J .. P I ckens .
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The online feedback tIles tor reporting bUMS and needs S posslbtltles, (NLS)BUGS and (NLS)NP, need to be moved trom (N LS) t"o (DOCONENTAT [ON") 8U that the Journal can deliver messages
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Cu rrently the messages are sent to HGL and CRl who then have to place them by hand. ThIs is because the Journal Sys tem locks the file as the user .hen It sends a message. S ince the directory (NLS) is not a user, the L iles could not he updated it the Journal sent massages directly to tiles in (NLS). La
(OOCUw.SNTATrON) is a user and would be an appropriate place ·tor people to see Wh4t bugs have been reported, Which ones have been :fIxed, and check the status 01 sugf;l:8sted needs and possibilities without hoving write access. The only problem with (DOCUWENTAT10N> is that it is a ton~ eosi ly mispe lled nam e ~or
altmodeless TNLS people who want to see what has been BUQ, K8s ted or tbe stutUQ o~ their suggestion.
So it is desirable that tbe no.~e be shortened to Just (DOC). This should cause very ~ew probLems as (DOCUMENTATION> Is not currently ~he home o~ permanent ~lles to which people would have a tot o~ links. Howuver, 11 you can see that this may cause you any trouble, be s ure to let Harvey or Kirk know be10re Friday April 6.
The folLowing branches ure currently being used to cLassIfy Bug~estlons In the NP tlte. When you JournalIze thln~9 to NP, pLease inclUde in the title 01 th e Journal Item the nu.e o~ one or more of the branches 11 any at them tits. Things Bent to the BUGS lile will be placed In the appropriate category by an NLS Pro,aranu1'ler.
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We would like to obtain an account on the 6700 to enable UM
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Thanks ~or any help you can give us .
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(J1 5449 ) 2-APR-73 13:59 ; Title: Author(s): Eng le_ore, Robert S. / RSB ; Dist rlbution: /KLB; S Ub-Collections: NIC; Clerk! RSE; Ori~in: (SU-HP>ACCTREQ.NLS;l, 2-APR-73 13 :4 8 RSE ;
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Thi.s docuMent will attempt to explain to the reader how to use the Bendprint cOnlmand and output flLes to a RADC Data Produc'ts
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First a sequential ~jle Must be created of the ~lte to be printed. The proceedureB are as tollowa:
L0i: into NLS and load the tIle you wish to output to the p rinter.
Type in the three comMand characters 0 0 P which _eans Output Device Printer (the CAse o~ the characters is not ImporTant) then type a. tw which _eans control key S .. Blmutaneously depressed -now type In an arbitrary na_e -this name wltl be tbe name at the sequential fI le you witt output to the printer -now type a command o.CCellt .. The system witl respond with "copies I" after which type II.
command accept. The system will respond wIth ProcessIng Ou tput and .111 return with an * when processing is coap Le ted.
[*] OOP t . FlL£NANE CA [copies 1] CA [Processi ng Output] [ . )
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Type send th~n depress the escape key and end the command with a CR (carrla8e return). The 9ys~eM wIll respone wIth PRINT . SAV ; N Douas- Hack version 1.0 Printtlle: - The user should noy type In the name of the of the sequential tiLe he created using the ODP command then depress the escape key the s ystem will respone with [Old version] arter whLch the user should type ft CR. The system will respond with f'output to'l after which type a "tIl and then a CR.The system will request a "TIp N:" a~ter which type a '1146" and a CR. The system will request a "Port #:11 after which type a "4" and a CR. The system ",Ill respond _Jth " Send Form Feeds?" aft"er .. bleh type a "yn and a CR . The syste. wIll respond with "Stop II.t Page end?" after whIch type "nil and a CR . The system wiLL respond WiTh "Go?" a.tter whIch type a " y " and a CR . Now type in the ~otLowins :"a" sp~ce "4" space " gil space lib" linefeed The fiLe is now beln~ transmitted over the Network to the
tine printer. When transmission is COMpLe t e the systeM witt respond with "Wore files?" . It the user wishes to pri nt another .tiLe he types a "y" and a CR. j~ he wishes to terMinate the process type an "n" and a CR. The process Glay be terminated at any time by using the tc command .
A second tile wlLl not be p rocessed untIL the first -file has been printed. The only WbY at present to know i.t a tile has been printed is to check the tine pri nter It Belt. Later a feedback mechani s_ may be p r ovided the terminal user to noti.ly hila that the printe r is ready lor the next
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(J1 545 11 2-APR-73 13:57; Title: Au1:hor(s): Lawrence, ThomBS F. /TPL; D i stribution: tRADC ; S ub-Collections: R ADe; Clerk: -rFL; Or l~ln: <LAWRENCS>SBNDPRINT . NLS;15 , 26-MAR-7 3 12:39 TFL ;
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r called Dr. ErIc WiLLis today to let him know whero we at ARC stand reL a tive to the Energ y Data Mana g ement Sy s tem study and to gee "where he was'l In respect to the possibility of his ARPA o1~ice usin~ NLS in Its work.
1 suld that his su~@estion that we work with the Systems EvaLuation peopLe on the energ y st~dy was a surprIse to us when he visited, but that we have had severaL mee11n g s since then and ~eel that it is a g ood opportunIty for all concerned . T said the 't the Systems Eval people are about ready to send
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I Buld that we would probab l y be lookin g into Lurr-y Robe r-t s· o £ flce operation soon and that it would seem to be a ~ood idea
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He welcomed this and sees the log Ic of not wul~ing for the ener ~y study to be completed before gettin g Into this other area. l told him that we recog nized that he wanted to look Into NL S more before dec iding to use NLS in hIs office . It ap p ears to both of us that such a parralel look would b e good .
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Corrections, Proposed Changes, etc. t1 ew TELNET Protocol Documen ts
to the recently dlstributed
Since 1 have already received some complaints th~t the review pprlod spect~ied is too short , change a date of April 1 9 rather than April commen ts.
the cove r 12 £19 thE'
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Modify the "implementatlon schedule" dates (as shown on paMe 2 of RFC #49 5 ) to "I Ju ly 1973" and " I January 1974".
There is a lin e missing and a typo 0 ' 1 page Protocol Speci~ ica ti on (NrC #15372 ). The sentences of the pa r agraph of exp l anato r y .foLlows:
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Just as ~he NVT data byte 104 should be mapped Into whatever the local code for " uppercase U" is, so the EC character shouLd be mapped into Whateve r -the local " Erase Character" £un ction is. Further, Just as the mapping for 174 is somewhat arbitra r y in an env ironment that has no "vertical ba r" character, the EL cha r acter may hav~ a somewhat arbit r ary mapping (or nono at al l) i' there is no local "Erase Line " £aclll ty .
Postel's t e l epbone nUf1Iber and TELNET Option Speci£ications
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It has alreadY been sug&es~ed by two s it es that there is a better way t o bandle the case of options which require subnego-tia tl on . Bas i cal ly, a new command code ca ll ed SUB ( code-=247) would be added to the TELNET comma n d set . When subneg otiatlon was r equ ired Xor an opt J on , the two sltes involved would ..firs t agree to s ubn e g otia'te via. an exchange o.f WILL and DO as currently spec i fied . l'ben, however, tll l subnea otlat i on would take p l ace usIng THE SAME option code as was used durin~ th e WIL,L- DO exchan&e , but preceded by SUB rather tha n any 0-1 WIL L , WON ' T ., DO , OT' DON ' T. Th l s scheme has the adv6ntapes of
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S hortenIn g the leng th o~ the byte st ri n a s to be used 10r some subneg otlat l ons .
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lhia may be a duplicate cop-y , the N1C died JUST as [ was submittin a this ea rl ier today. Thp copy to JYM is for Hob Merryman , the copy to E~R Is ~o r
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Corrections, Proposed Chan Aes , u~c .
new TF.LNET Protocol Oocunumts to the recently distributed
Since J have already period specified is a date o~ April 19
received some complaints that the revIew
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too short , chang e ra~her than AprJl
Modi.ty the "implementation schedule" of RPC ~4R51 to " 1 July 1973" and "}
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There is a line missIng and a typo on pa g e 11 of the TEL NET Protocol Specification ( NIC #15372) . The second and thIrd sentences oj' the para.~raph o .f explanatory text should read as
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Just as the NVT data byte 104 should be mapped into whate ver the locHt code "for "up pe rcase D" is, so the EC character should be mapped into whatever th e local "Erase Characte r II :function is . Further, .lust as the mappin q for L7 4 i s somewhat arbitrary 1n an environm~nt that has no "vertical bar" character, the EL character may have a sOrn@what arbi~rary mappin~ (or none at all) if there is no local "Erase Line" facility_
Postel's telephone number and NIC TELNET Option Specifications (NJC
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It has already been suc g ested by two sites that there is a better way to handle th e case oL options which r equir e B~bneMotlatJon . Basically , a new command code called SUR (code:247) would be added to the T£LNET co~mand set. When Bublle g otlatlon involved wou l d WI LL and DO as subnegotlu.tlon was used during rather than any the ddvantaMes
wus required tor an option , f irst a g ree to sUbneg otlate curren~ly speci~led. Then ,
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the two 81 tes vJa an exchange of however, all SAME option code as
the WILL-DO exchane e, but preceded by SUB o~ WILL, WON'T, DO , or DON'T. This scheme has
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believe th a t the series of directIves (PxFLD,PxPLU,PxFL S ) should be allered to torrease the user's contrnl of plex spacing .
lhe chang e [ p ropose would entail addin g a 1'[interval]11 option (e.~., pxFLDr 2]=2 , pxFLD[3]=3) so that e very transit i on b~tween plexes and levels can be 10rmated exactly as the uerr _Ishee. The derault interval wouLd be a ALL and the PxShow directive wouLd enable the other directiVes which apply to specified levels.
Currentty, you may only s p ecl£y u 3-1evel format , then apply It to di fternt" levels. If the o n e -fo r mat I s Insu:f1'iclent, you are out of luck.
, would imA ,ll ine the codin g o:f such chang es .. ould be fairly easy.
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(J1 5455 ) 3-APJl-73 tl: 50 ; Title: t i s t ribu tJan: INP; Sub-Col l ec ~ion s :
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nHe 3-AP~ 7J 12:06 PxNum chan~e, please .
Anoth~r Ou tput Processo r capability which 1 have Just .found to be B b i t luckin " is nU.berina s~atements consecutlvely, across I:ranc lies.
That is, 1 huve statements la, 2d t 1&, e tc, nUUlber consecutIvely 1 , 2 ,J,etc., but Bee no with the Output P rocessor .
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Addln~ unother number " style" to the PxNum directive, which would "cnerat in", • sequence number , on • ~re(l ter thun the p r e vious J!(enerat Ion of the sequence nu mber, lndependent 0' the location 01 the stuteme nt using the previ ous nUlUber, would seclll to be the easiest ·.Y to handle t hi s.
ALSO: It would be nice to have the op tion of padina PxNum ' s , whatever styl~ and enclosures they hove , with Borne blanks , befo r e sttl.rtJn~ to p rint the atual state_ent.
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The vurlous jndentation directives (es p ., TOvr S to allow the indentation of lines, other than the
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'replace ' statement numbers . The vi s ual et~ect b e able to ~et would be:
LAAI text • •• ••••• more text oL same 8~atemnt still more ••••• this Is continuous , without <cr) ' s.
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Lns t o n e for today ( and 1t is me rel y a restatement oL a no t e sent a lon ~ t1me aRo ):
There s hould be a ' B~i t' di r ec tiv e which ~orces a form-~eed Jf a statement within an int e rval ( o r whatever) wltl not fit on the same pallC wi th it s s ub-s tatements .
E . ~ ., I f I have Bf J t=2 and I have sta t eme nt s :
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a n d a page fault wouLd norma lly o ccu r after statement l a l, it wIll now occur after sta t emen t 1.
~hl s allows contro l ot ' dang lin g a t ateme nt' at the e nd of , o r at the be~ lnnin ~ 01 a pape .
' Grab ' I s too r estric ted . It mu st be u s ed fo r every statement, rather than appLyi n g g Lobally.
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Jim Norto n passed your paper in itg Narc h 30 version. I have a fe. comments thnt I hope are use~ul. fn gene ral they come either tram anxiety not to make claims too wide for an audience new to NLS or from my interest in training people in NLS and in what is to he learned from your experie n ce .
( bair , CHI , Ie) "Llexlbllity approaching thought 'l seems ~ oina too 1ar at present . We don ' t have contact w ith vi sual and other sen~ory ima~es or assoclatave memory fo r example .
(bair, CHI , 2b l) " lit t le d11ference ••• '1 seems goin~ too fa r. Person to person enco unter has, aMo n g othe r th ings , more inLorm4tion channels and more ~lexible ways to use the ges talt.
(bairt Chi , 2b3b ) Do n't you need tree-torln hierarchy as opposed to
to po in t out tlere that other hierarchies?
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(hair, ChI , 2b5a ' teen sllbmitted .
[terns ( Catalogs) of 300 printed pages ha v e
(halr, CH1 , 2b6) lIalmost anything conlputer teChnology can dO " Is @o in~ too 1ar. Compu t e r s can par se sentae n ces , understand some 9peech, trdnslate , to name a lew examples. Of course we hope t o hook into othe r systc.s some day .
( bair, CU l, 2c1ts ) an NLS Systeln.
We should mention that SNDMSSG is a TENEX , not
fly default messa~es acc u mulate .
You can mo v e your meSBa~ e file into NLS , by the way, by the Ex ecute Insert Seq u ent i a 1 Command .
(ba.lr, CRt t 2cle ) "vast l! seems too vast a. woref.
( hair , CHt, 3a. ) Just lor discussion , It seems to me that Au~me n tation allows op~ness , that it will not creat It on unfertil e g round, and it has possihil l ties for new walls mazes . For example, i t wou l d he easy to create a system 1ile access went with Job ti tle on even access to contain commands.(Journal ,1 544Q , 2 )
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(bail' , CHI), 6b6 ) Well , anywhere in th e contenental USA whe re thel'c is on ARPA net node.
Tralnin~ in ~enerol . 1 think you would have had less reslstence I f tllere had been a pr imer oriented toward novice, and more llcross-the-net and In-person tralnin ~ . Scc-- van Nohuhuys , train, )
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(J1 5459 ) 3 - APR-73 12:1 3 ; Title : Author(s ) : Va n Nouhuys , Dirk H. /DV N; O l st rlhution: /JHB J CN(cc) KI RK (fyl J; S ub-Collec ti ons : SR I-A RC RADC ; C l e rk: DVN ; Ori Qin: (VANNOUHU YS)D ArNCRIT . NLS;3 , 3 - APR-73 12 : 09 DVN ;
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i read your two m~mos on ftp . they took about ready to be sent out as ric to me. my onty suggestlons might he to clari1'y tll@
commands you ",ould keep as fl. te transfer commands eg structure etc. i mean to say that it might be hetp~ul i~ you coutd say Bomth Lnli! about the parfllneters or sub types o .r whatever they have
untes s are all the same as jndlccated In the Il o~ficalll documents. -- .Jon.
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JC~ 2-APR-73 23 : 30 15461 Co .. rec ~lon to (1 440 4 t ) tltle
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Ro b er ts Visit tu ARC 4 /11 ond 4/12 1
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Thank you for your reptYe I ~itl be very interested In your commentM on the compa ri son , i~ it can be called thate Please note that it 1.9 not 1:inJshed and what is there i s a roug h draft eoe b ut it J s comin g aLon g . Do my @enera l comments hold to r the ed ito r s you are familiar with
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Thanks lor lookin Q at ~hB paper , your hrief comments are encourag ln~ . Please note that aR with many thin g s in the sys t em th i s i s a rough d r a~t and 1n some instances Just ~n irl ea /outllne. I will send you copies at latter stages jn the development of this collect i on 01 pet ideas . Hopef ully, Doug ' s co~ment will no lon u;er be appropri ate .. Ie. about orw: an i zatlon , clariflcu.tlon, etc. Thanks a g ain , this col l abora tiv e dialogue Is g reat
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JIm ••• r a~ree with your memo (NJOURNAL, 1 5444 , 1!wy) tha1 we 9houtd observe the lle r;tnrmance of 1 . 31 .for 0. week or so , before inveRt ina any sulHitantlal effort to trac k down the cause o:t the tug s that were occurrina In 1.29 .
Was ours the only 1. 29 sys tem experiencing those dl~tlcultl es 7
I:t so, wha t Is dlt-ferent ahou"t us t roln the standpoint of the ~etwo r k interface? Do we know what BSN ' s major r ew rite to lhe Network-related monitor code Is sUPPoAed to accompljsh?
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A r~~l do-lt-yourscl~ kit for weekende r s , ni Mhttimers , and othe r s wh o nped 6 fIle ~hat ' s not on - line . Hope it is useful. Suggest you t e~ peop le know it' s a v ailable , especiaLly BAH MEJ EJF for starters.
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IN STlWCTIONS FOR RECOVERING A FILE FRO N THE DUMP TAPES
AN D FROM THE ARCHIVE TAPES .
Tllerp dre 10ur ~ain steps:
1) Determine the tape reel number 2) Find the tape reel and mount it 3 ) Run the BSY S subAystelll under Tencx 4) Unmount and return the tape to its proper location.
now TO DETERMINE THE TAPE REEL NUMBER
ARCUrVE: SYSTEM
For the Archive system, the reel number is g iven In the request. That is, use the EXEC INTERROGATE comman d :
ii) int (esc] <directory>~ile.ext;ver (cr]
[ cr] means [ e~c] Qlea.ns
DUMP TAPES
carria@e return key escape key, or alt mode key
To find the tap e reel you need, you must determine the DATE
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To do this, Met the listing s trom the bottom drawer o~ the CLLe cabinet under the PDP-IO console. 3b2
Pick the tlatina that corresponds to the DATE oL the dump tape you wallt to use .
Flnd the name 01 the DIRECTORY you want In the li811n~ you've chosen. Opposite the name Is the TAPE NUM B bR tor this date.
Look "further in ~he listing 10r that date, tllt you g et to the section coverin" the , ' APE NU MBER tor this DATE. Then t o ok In that section 10r the directory name with the riles listed unrler It.
That file li s t says what's on "the tape 1'or that dlrectory, on that date.
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Try ~no1her lI st in g ,
NOTE One di~flculty in finding the right date Is that dumps are sometimes taken " jncre~entallylt .
"INC'REMENTALU DUWPS CONTA IN ONLY THOSE F I LES THAT
WERB CHANGED OR CREATED ON TilE DATE OF THE DUNP.
FIles NOT changed were dump~d on a previous date . Thp re~o re , you may have to search the ll st lnas ~or the dale on whIch the ~ ll e you're looking ~or was d Umped .
[1' you find the fIle In that list, then you're ready to find the tape reeL with that TAPE NUMBER, tor ttlat DATE .
HOW TO FlND THE TAPE REEL AND MOUNT ]T
The tapes a r e mounted on the rack near t he center of tne cOlnpute r roo m. You'll f Ln d the DATE and TAPE NUMBER typed on the rC'el labels .
RED tapes a t the top tt.re ARCHIVE 1 apes. WHITE tapes are DUMP tapes.
To thread the rl"el t be sure BRAKES "
tape throu g h the read/write heads on the tape you ho l d down the toa~ le s_ltch marked " START hold it towards th e BRAKES position.
Wind the tape around the take up reel a ways, then press START , LOAD POINT
In tha't o rder .
Be sure the door is closed , then press AUTO
F Lip the dIal to o ( ZERO ),
and be sure the other drive says
Now you 're r eady to run BSYS .
HOW TO lWN BSYS
LOGI N
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ENTER TAPE UNIT (MTAN :) mtaO: [cr] LISTING TO I-ILE: "tty:[cr]
MOUN TrNG TAPE DIRECTORY RESTORE NTAO: (dlrec"tory>flle.ext;ver [cr] [CONFlRM] [cr] RESTO RE MTAO: [rubout]
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NOTE : In the above scen~rio, the system ou~put Is in UPPER
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Typing of tenex 1jlenumes follows tenex conventions, I . e ., al"tmode may be used
MORE THAN ONE FILE PER TAPE
Hltting rubout att~r the " RESTORE MTAO :I! message says to th~ system that you have no more ~ltes to recover.
it in fact you no want to recover more fi les FROM THE TAPE THAT IS MOUNTED , then type the filename here instead o~ rubou"t.
rt you want to recover a file from another tape, jus"t hit rubou~ a1ter the RESTORE MTAO : message and then run aSYS agaIn .
BAD FI LENAM£
J~ the system doesn 't ~lnd the file you want in direc"tory, then yO\l wll l ge t a "question mark" Tenex.
t he tapels as 1n
You'll h u v e to g et the ri g ht fi~ename or ~he righ t tape before proceedi n @_
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If the ~~pe 1s physically bad , you will g et the message "CANT POSITION TAPE ~O THIS PILR 7 "
~nd you ' re out o~ l uck , unless you can f i nd another tape wIth the same file on it .
HOW TO ONNOUNT AND RETURN THE TAPE
To rewind the tape , press LOCAL RESET, REWIND
in lhut order .
After it s t ops rewinding , press REVERSE
This 1Gkes i t off the takn up reel .
To complete the rewindln& manually , be sure that you press and
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RE ViSED TI W 1~G AND COST OF TEXT INSERTION WITH NLS
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Si nce the tirst measuremen~s ot tllr system were made ( Rech , 1435 1), chan~eB have been made in NLS In order to impr o ve the efficiency 01 text lnsertion. rn order to evaluate the im p rovement and ascertain the current status o~ the system , 'these measure.cnts have been repeated. DEX i s currently j n the process 01 beln~ revised so it was n ot included In these measurements . It should dlso be po inted out t hat improvements to DNLS of an e v en greut~r ma~nltude are expec t ed to he
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Meas urements were made under thr~ e dl11erent sets 01 circumstances in order to a rrive at upper and lower bounds for CPU t'me used and also fe r comparison with th e previous mea9urements. These were : Llia d Averl.lge )4, s low typ ing ; Load AverO R e )4 , normal t ypJ n &; dnd Load Avera@e (4 , Fast Typin g . 311.
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Un der normal conditions , (Loud Avera~e )4, normal typing ), the av~raqc ma r ginal CPU time required to inser t text into on NLS file iR 3 msec per character witll TNLS and 2 ' msec pe r chard.c'ter with DNLS . This is compo red to 1 0 ms(>c in TNLS an d 30 wlttl DNLS before the Improv eMents . The cost of in ser tin g ono character with TNLS has therefor e improved f rom .1 cent to . 03 cent and with DNLS r.roru . 3 cent to . 2 cent .
It I.1l60 appea r s that the cost of execut i ng t he Insert command Iloa decreased from 300 msec to 225 ~Bec in TNLS and ~rom 700 mgec to approxl lnat ely 500 msec in DN LS . (A mor~ accurate estimate 0.£ the tlllIe in DNLS haR not ye t been obttdocd .)
1n the IollowJn~ table are es tima~~s o~ the time s it will 'take to insert N characters in~o ~n NLS tile under varlous opcr8~ln~ conditions . The deta l led mf>H.,;;;uremen ts from wh Ich
Th~ec th ese conclusions are dra.n are g Iven below . measurements have been plotted in Qraphs in *14660 .
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Load Avero. .@e )4 Load Averalole )4
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TNLS 225 + 7 . 5 * N 225 + 3 * N 225 + 2 . 6
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1) TNI4 S Number 0' CPU Time per Loo.d Notes Chartlcters Time Character Ave raj.te
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?l . 5 6.Q )4 Slow typing 73 . 6 8 .2 3 . ' " 73 . 8 10. 9 )4 " 7 3 I • 1 15 w O 5 . 9 " 73 • S l Oe 9 6 . 7 " 73 . 5 6 . 8 )4 "
142 . 9 6 . 3 4 . 0 " 143 . 9 6.3 3 . 2 " 143 . 9 6.3 4.5 " 143 I . 1 7. 6 3 . 9 " 143 1.0 6 . 9 >4 ., 17 8 . 5 2 . 8 Fast Typjng
184 . 7 3 . 8 Slow Typing 212 1. 2 5 .7 3 . 7 " Sa 325 I . 0 3 . I )4 Normal Typlng 354 . 9 2 . 5 Fast Typin~ 534 1. 2 2 . 2 "
) 683 2 .1 3 . 1 )4 Normo.l Typ i ng 70 9 2 . 0 2 . 8 Faa t Typing 725 2 . 3 3 . 2 )4 Norma t Typing 946 J . 9 4 .1 S ID,", Typing
1085 2.9 2.7 PaRt TypJnv, 1~20 5 . I 2 . 8 NuriDU l TYI)j na 5b
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71 1.5 21 .7 Fast Typing 74 1.4 19 I . 3 "
14 3 2 . ' 16 1 . 0 " 145 2 .7 18 I . 0 " 186 3 . 2 17 1. 4 " 205 4 . 0 19 . 9 " 215 3 . 8 17 I . 0 " 263 5 .0 17 I . 0 " 263 5 . 2 19 I. I " 269 4.3 16 I . 2 " 325 7 . 0 2 1. 5 )4 Normal Typing JSq 5 . 8 16 . 8 Fast Typi ns
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