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NOTEBOOK 42

Daniel Dale

2. KUNDALINI AND REALISATIONSATSANG WITH RAMANA BABA(MUZ MURRAY) IN TIRUVANNAMALAIMuz Murray

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KUNDALINI AND REALISATION

SATSANG WITH RAMANA BABA (MUZ MURRAY)

IN TIRUVANNAMALAI, INDIA

What is the connection betweenKundalini and Realisation?Kundalini is the intelligence o

the universe mniesting s Prana inthe phsicl orgnism. Which, uponreching the brin centre, releses theCosmic Intelligence, enbling one tobe enlightened, orto be unburdenedo ll the residul hng-ups whichexist in the subconscious. It clens outeverthing. And b such process one

cn eliminte ll the stu tht one wouldnormll hve to go through therp toeliminte. But s it doesnt hppen toeverbod, there hs to be step-b-steptherpen routes it were.

So when you are having Kundalinieect when things are just happening, thatis stu clearing out?

Yes, tht isi it is occurring

nturll. It is the kundalinimovingthrough the dierent chkrs nd thensurges rom the chkrs through thenadi sstem t ech prticulr level.But i ou re just doing it technicl l,b using intense og prctice to orcethe kundalinito rise, s or exmple,b going to weekend workshop torise our Kundlini, without beingspiritull involved, this cn lnd ouin big trouble. For exmple, i enorcedkundaliniis rising nd just bursts outt Muladhara, then ou might not beble to control our bowels. I ectsSvadhisthana chkr, ou m losecontrol o our urintion. I it comesup to nother level, mbe ou reunble control our lughing, or ourcring, or our shking limbs. Onnother level it cn dernge our brinbecuse it is coming on too st ndit is not step-b-step progression. Itcn mke ou crz or even kill ou.


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When it rises becuse there is ninood o spiritul insight, or spiritulmovement in the hert, then it comes upcorrectl. But just doing it s techniclpump cn be disstrous.

So in act the consciousness is moreimportant than the Kundalini?

You could s tht, lthough kundaliniisconscious energ.

and it is a result because o theconsciousness quality?

Yes, es. It is ctull the qulit ospirituality tht mkes it move. Oneugments the other s it were.

So you dont think much o Kundalini

Yoga then?

Well, not Kundalini Yoga prctisedin tht mnner. In ct, Mntr-workitsel is Kundalini Yoga. But I mnot hpp bout enorced Kundalinirousl. I hve seen too mncsulties.

However, Mntr is step-b-steporm o Kundalini Yoga, in s muchs ou re ctivting the chakras, oure energising the chakras. You re t

the sme time strengthening the nadisstem, giving this pschic nervoussstem chrge. It is like putting extrprotection round thousnd-volt live

wire, until our sstem is red totke stronger chrge. Ten when ithppens, when kundalinistrts rising,in cn trvel through ou sstem moresel. But i ou re orcingKundalinibeore our pschic wiring sstem isred, ou blow the uses s it wereo the chakras.

So Kundalini is an eect, or whathappens along the way, rather than a

precursor to realisation because o a risingspirituality o consciousness?

Yes, but it cnt hppen without it. Itis prt o it, sort o crring it. Withoutit rising, relistion rrel hppens; thetwo hve to come together.

When you had your spiritual awakening,

or that o Ramana Maharshi or example.Tat is because Kundalini has fnally gotto Sahasrara?

Precisel. Although Rmn Mhrshinever mentions kundalini. But he doesspek o spiritul energ descendingrom saharasravi secret nadi(knowns amrita nadi) down to the hert centre.Otherwise it cn st in Sahasrara ndnot descend to the hert centre. In

which cse, spiritul enlightenment isnot ull consolidted. But insted ou

will hve intellectualenlightenment. Sowe hve enjoed brillintl intellectulgeniuses like Gopi Krishn, like Osho,

Aurobindo nd Krishnmurti. Butthe re not considered s Maha-rishis, such s Rmn. Te hvebecome intellectull enlightened, but

the hve not become totll one withthe Omnipresence, becuse it hs notdescended nd fnll settled in thehert centre.

So Kundalini Yoga mens bsolutelnothing or Rmn Mhrshi. Hedidnt prctice Kundalini Yoga. It ws

just sudden spiritul perception thtcused it to hppen. He didnt hve to dothe techniques to rise the Kundalini.

Was that because he was already

clear and it didnt need to orce its waythrough?

Yes. He hd obviousl done work inother incrntions to hve this hppento him t the ge o sixteen. For me, it

ws the ge o twent-three, nd it justhppened, just like tht, without nprctice whtsoever. And it hppenedto me gin in Vrindvn when I ws

just sitting nd reding spiritul book, Zen book ctull, nd some o theZen insights shocked me into spiritul

stte nd Kundalinicme shooting upgin.

So when you had your frst experience itdidnt remain? Is it that it takes a while towork its way through?

Well, the eect o it sted or mnds. M vision ws like the pristinemorning o the frst d o the worldnd I could see into the soul qulit

o everbod. Tt cpcit sted,but the pristineness ded w. Butll the insights tht I perceived inthose moments hd to flter throughm consciousness rom m cellulrmemor, over mn ers. M intellect

ws totll bpssed b the experiencebut the knowledge in the cells remined,so I cme to relise tht the whole bod

ws the brin not just the lump o gremtter up there.

How old were you when the secondexperience happened?

Te second time it hppened wswhen I ws bout thirt-six. It tookme twelve or so ers o tring to getbck into the sme stte s beore. Butou cn never go bck. When I stopped

tring to chieve tht, it hppened innother orm.

I havent heard you speak about thatbeore.

I wrote bout it in Sharing the Quest.Tere ws nother time in the smeplce, the d beore or the d ter,

when some one dropped the hndle o milk pil in cowshed nd the vibrtionhit m bod nd m whole being

dissolved into vibrting prticles. AndI sw the cosmic joke tht everbodws God tring to fnd God. t wshilrious nd I ell bout lughing orbout hl n hour.

Yes, but i we are all God, why are webehaving so stupid?

Becuse o mayand lck o ttentionto wht we rell re. We hve the veilomaya in ront o the Sel, which wettch ourselves to nd cll it me, I,

m personlit. When ou give upthe ide o me nd m sense o egothen there isnt nthing else but theOmnipresence. But we re so ttchedto the personlit tht we hve cretedll these ers.

Tere is nothing new to get, there isonl mistken I-dentit to get rid o. Wethink tht samadhiis something r w,but we ll experience eetingSamadhi.

An moment between two thoughts,

Guruji perorming Sandhya Vandana, Gokulam, 2007



when we re not thinking nthing iseetingSamadhi. It m lst or ewseconds but tht is the samadhi stte.

We ll experience it, but we dont tken notice o it becuse we re lookingor something else. Te whole work is toenlrge the time between ech thoughtuntil ou re cler nd s thought-ree sis constntl s possible. And the moreou re in tht cler spce; the moreou re living in the samadhistte evermoment o the d

I ou suddenl relise tht wht isnot thinking is the Omnipresence nd

wht isthinking is little old me thenou will fnd oursel in ull-blownsamadhi.

I you are totally immersed in what youare doing; gardening, singing, cooking

and you dont have any thought. Is that aSamadhi state?

Not certin. Tt could just bevgueness.

What i you completely do what you aredoing? Without any other thought? Is thatvagueness?

Tt depends on whether ou reclear when ou re doing it, with

totl ttention, or re just doing itmechnicll.

No, I mean i you are doing some mantraor singing a song, and really singing thatsong with all presence?

Yes, tht would be eetingsamadhistte. Otherwise ou re just doingsomething [nd perhps vguelthinking bout something, but withoutbeing wre o it] but oure not cler,ou re not there, ou re not there inthe Sel.

Yes, I am talking about that state whenyou are completely in the here and nowand are doing without thinking.

Yes, but onl when doingness ishppening b itsel. Tt is whenthe Omnipresence is doing the thingthrough ou. Ten ou dont get tired!

You onl get tired when ou think, I m

doing this, I hve this to do. Ohh,wht job! How knckered I m. But i theI is not there nd there is doingnessgoing on [b itsel, without our ego-involvement] tht is the w.

I fnd it useul prctice tosometimes stnd bck nd observe theOmnipresence doing things throughour being, without ou putting ournose into it.

But this is not samadhi?

No, this is observtionor Witnessconsciousness. I it becme permnent,then it would be the nturl samadhistte.

Muz Murr (known s Rmn Bb

in Indi) is world-trvelling msticnd Mntr-Mster. He ws theounder o Gandals Garden mgzinend communit in London during theSixties. Te mgzines, which inspired genertion ll over the plnet, renow vilble on CD s Te CompleteGandals Garden. Tis CD, or Muzsbooks, teching cssettes nd CDs revilble rom his website t: www.mntr-og .com.

A Naga with 5 heads,nestling a Siva Lingam,

at a tree shrine withinthe outer perimeter o

the Meenakshi emple inMadurai, South India.

Te nagas trhee coilsrepresent the power o

Kundalini dormantwithin the subconcscious.

Photograph by RobertMoses January 2007.


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