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Q. Good Morning

A. Good Morning

Q. I am de;lective Ibarra, I am the police detective. Sit down please; are you all right? Do you want a glass of water?

A. Yes, but I would like to go pee (urinate)

Q. Ok, lei me make mmm... sit down here and ('ntake here on this.·~areful the foot.

A. Thank'You

Q. Do you want coffee? A gl~ss of wOter?·Do you wont something to eat?

A. Yes please, water

Q. I'lt bring it right now

A. Thanks

Q. You want.some more water or coffee? , .A. Excuse me?- .

Q. Coffee?

A. Yes thanks•

Q. With sugar?

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Q. Thai'S a little cold1just a minute.•

Q. Very hot

A. Thank'yo,u .

Q. Is ever;ything OK?.'

A. Yes .Q. Does yC?ur foot Jiurt?

A. Yes.it hurts a 101, it is really swollen

Q. Do you want me 10 bring something so y.ou can put it up?

A, What?

Q. Yes, elevate it

A. Il is like it is too tight and it is hurting more and more

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Q. Ok., let me ... well sit down. Can you s~nd up? I'll grab your hand

Q. I am detective Ibarra. I work for the poli~e and tHey only asked me to talk to you about what happened

A. Let's see

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Q. How did get up to this point? Ok?

Q_ Before we start with this I need 10 get yourlnfomlBtion, Ok? And then we Will continue

Q. Ok., what is your last name?

A. me, Jose

Q. Thai is your last name?

A. Rang~l

Q. Rangel"~d your first name?

A. Jose

Q. Jose what?

A. ATTez

Q. Arrez? Howdo you spellh?

Q. What is your paternal las! name?

A., Paternal is Iike._someone grandparenlS?

Q. Your Fathers

A. That is Rangel

Q. Rangel and your mother's?

A. Arrez,<

Q. Arre2.? 9k and your name is Jose?

A. When were you born Jose?·" , "~ ...,

A. The lOiI> ofApril 1975

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A.mmm, Yes

Q. Where do you live?

A. I live in MichoacAn

Q. Michoacan, Ok

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Q. Where are you Slaying here in Dallas?

A. What is happening is that Igot here 3 days ago.

Q.3 days

A. But

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A. I had o.,fumiiy address bUll don't have it anymore and'! wasjusl going aroupd slaying Itke that becauSe·J did nothave Ihe adetre~s anym"Ore , .' ~ I •,'Q,Ok

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" ,A. And [don't know ~nybody here; I had nevercomeup here-ol' anything.. .. -. .' ' ,,\...Q. SO it is your firsHime here in Ihe U.nilcd.States. in Texas, in DaliasT

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A. ¥es anywhere here, I had ~ever come up here

A. Excus~ me'?,

, '. IQ. What brought you over hct:C?"

A.No

Q. No, You cro~sed illegally?

A. Yes

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A: r cllme-from the border over here; Icanw in a private car (a ri~e~ ., '.,

Q. Olt'ok! do you have papers?

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A. Yes 1lost it there

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Q:'\Vel.l alright,.dd'Youjlave il M~xican credential?t ",'), ' , "

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" ,A. Yes I had credentials, like that but I lost it in the river, .

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Q, Do'¥ou know'la telephon~'numbe,r ofa fam'ily or sO,meMe, who \'{e can c,all to t~ll.them that you are a~i right?". '\ " ' ~ ,

A, Ionly had one Oflh1 fDtftiJ), that r have in Houston but tile wallet J had IIi:)' took. it in the. hospital and they didn.atgive: i! b,!ck. ",':' ,: • .\ .. , '. ' " "',

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A, Ji.\St'll'1ittle

A. Ofschool? .

Q. Yes in education. '

A. OillY'.\ike up to second

Q. ~o',y~u. know hoW; to,rea~?~ "

A. Only my mother

Q. Ok, lo.ok Jose the reason we are doing an investigation for \~hat hE\ppe,ned,tbis morning and want to Ncriry somethings. Yo", ~ow thilt here'in the United States we'-have a p'rocess that we.follow ok, and 1 would like tp continue.~ot

talk a~oul wblit happened-and tr:y to figure out what exactly happened butTbifore we,stqrt to talk abo,at the" inCIdentthis afih•..There are some Fights that bas to be read;lfyou understand me: All(;f Pm gOing to dQ it right n,ow, while·tostart to'taJ~ ho\v did they com"e to ,hurt YQU this way?'

A. What;h~ppens i&;thar Iwa.s 'Yell walldng-~rolind.se I sppntJhe;nights this way.

'Q. bet me'stop y,ou,therei Ok, w~lI-letme do this'first'and ] Iike.to (oJ(I you w\;. ar~ ~oing an i!1vestigation to ~ee \Vlla.tis'happening ~nd \ale want to contiJiue lo'tiilk to see what happened ana so you' can teU me'that ok? These,are ther-ights to·remain in ~ilence. ,y,ou:don't11ave,to give'Ciny statement and,:wllat evir you say may he used against-youiMfou.rt of law. Any ~!8t~ri1~nt ~ou make/can pc u'sedra~irlSt yQU,~y.~u 'may Ilavcf the ri~t to have a ,laW:)i'er '

. ;pre-s~,nt to:aClvise be1'ore,6ri~4ting,q e,s.tlon.ing. 1f..You cannot hite ~ I. Y'lYer you have'the J1ig,llftoJlliv.c'8 laWler.. appoit;lted tOlgiv.e, you ilp:v-ice befQte,art~·duril)g when lhey ask..)'ou q\1'~$ti0ns, and yOll h.ave the. righl to end tlte;in,tel),vie~ at ahy,~ili1e. 00 y'ou'un(l\}YSlllnd:? :

~. In'yoyr co.u'ntry?

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A. ehh, her name is' Abi'gail Arrez

Q. Do you have'bn:ithers and sisters?

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A. No thc'Oldest is a sister and then I follow. . ~ ...Q.,¥ou are after her? ;,:'. . .

Q. An'are .you,the..oldest,?

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Q. Ok, when were'you'there in MichoacDT\ !'-1'cxico•.Did y,ou go up to scho'al up lOl,:bp to prirnl\l¥ right?-(," .: ' ..~. ,.' -"

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Q. Xes, " .A.,'Fmming,

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Q. What parts?".' "." '.... . '.A.'Some; are low~rds Chicago

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A: WeUl bad'an UnCl~ around ihere· ., . . ...

Q. What is his'name?

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Q. Gil what?

A . Oil Sanchez

Q. An what side ofthe.(amily is h~?

A. He is of like a somewhat far off on my falher's side.

Q. Your father's side? Like a sepan.ted uncle

A. Yes

Q. What other part of the United States do you have family?,

A. Well a daughter of his in Houston

Q. In Houston? What part?

A. Well there in Houston I don't know.

Q. You don't know

A.No

Q. What'.s her name

A: Maria

Q. Maria; how old·is she?, .

A. Wellihe truth J don't know.'

Q. She is your cousin?

A. Ye~ like a third cousin

Q. And Irer last narne,is?

A. Sanchez

Q. $anchez

A: Yes she is daug.hter 0(.•• Ihe olher last name I don'l know"

Q. When was the last time you saw her?

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A. mmm.•. II lot they came wh'en they were just little g.irls and they haven't ever returned down there it's been many. .years.

Q. When did you say caR'!c here?

A. I have little tiine I havo Ihree days

Q. Three days?

A. About that

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Q. In car? Or how did you cross?

A. Through the river

Q. The river?

A. Yes

Q. who was with you?

A. Where?•

Q. When you crossed

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A. J don't nOl know th~!r names; we just gOI together at the river that's all.

Q. And did yOu cross together?

A. Yes

Q. And how did you gel to Dallas? Because it is alleast 8 to 10 hours.. .A, Yes what happened thaI there from Laredo I came by asking for a ride (hitchhiked) and then I got 10 Houston and.then from there J Cllmc with another man that Jasked for a ride to come here.

Q. Did you know him?

A. No. that~s it· ,Q. That fill it was?'

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Q. And whr didn't you stay in Houston ifyou have family there?

A. Wrn;t hapPens is that Ididn't know where they are and for that reason 1didn't stay in Houston and I had thead.dress of's boy that told moe he was going to offer me a job and so

Q. And, what is the boy's name?

A. The boy's name? His name is Juan

Q. Juan what?

A. Juan .•. what is his name? Juan.

Q. How long have you know him?

'A. I've know him for 0. while, he livedoin another pan, he lived far fron; my town and he, ..•

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Q. And how did you get to communicate to each other? Ifit's been 6 to 7 ~ears how had "you co,mmunicate w~lh him'to lell him you were going to be.here?

A. By telephone, he gave me the phone nu~ber

Q. Is it in the wallet?

A. I think il might be there

Q. Yes?,

A. I believe so

Q. Ok, when crossed the river did you have a suitcase?

A, A suitcase? J h~d a small bag bUI we left it on the Olher side.

Q. SO thaI is the same clothes you had on when you crossed over here?

A. No it was some other when I crossed I had 51,800 pesos

Q. Mexicans?

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Q. That are in the United State; lhal are?

A, J tIere say they-are less; how much ore they? A little over a $100 10 5130 dollars, , '.

Q. American?

A. Yes and we change them with a guy on Ihis side and we.boughl some other clothes.

Q. Who was with you when you did that transaction?, '

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Q. What are their names..•.

A. They arC the.ones I.tell you that J don't know

Q. Well what is Juan's last mi.me?

A. Junn.... Idon't remember his last nallle it seems it is Jaimes

Q. Juan Jaimes? And he is from Michoacan too?

A. Yes bu.t far·

Q. 'From another lown?

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Q. When you came over Iiere toward. Dallas, you got to Houston on ride that they gave you from Houston you cameover here, who did you here willI 3 days ag07 .

A. Here to,pallas?

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A. l.wouldn't know how to tell you I don't know ~r9und here

Q.•Was there a store there?"

A, Seems like it was an oXXO

Q. A wbat?

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Q. And TaJk to me about what happened today, when you got there 3 days a~o ~here did you go? When the man leftyou where did you go?

, .A. Well I slept there close by in same apartments where there arc some cars and that way I get between them closetogether and that's how I did it.

Q. An~ then?,

A. And Ihim (rpm there what?

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Q. What happen today in the morning?

A. Oh, about this? What happens is that was walking like this around there close to the street where that happenedwhen lsaw lhe people.shooting there and then I feU and Igot up and I walked away an~ then was when the policesaw me.

Q, Where did they hit you?

A, I was close to a Jit'tle hill down thc're is wl!ere I was ~:

Q. Ok, we~ you the only one walking around there?"

A, Yes

Q. What did you see?_. ..,

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'A. Well po, I wnsn'f.sp close to's"ee:wha they wero shooting (Tlrando: CC?~ld mea'n throWing'or sh;otillg)' '. \, , .Q. What were they throwing? Were they throwlng,trash? Were I~ey thro~ing ~ans? Wha,t were they throwing?

A. No, well bullets they were l!ke bullets

Q. The bullets and then

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Q. HQ,yI} :y,ou.were·\;yslking h'ow?

A: y.~s walking d¢wn,~is one> tois one is what?

A~ J:Jo (didn't .see ~'n:y'nro~e

Q. Ok, I~m n'ot an artist ok so I'm,go:ing to,draw the area and I want y,ou to'tell me'where )'ouwere.so 1can try toget an idea of where you were. And then you point out where the persons' were shooting from. Qk. "

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Q. 0k this is tp:e restiu,Il1lQt that here in the.comer, tlds is the other building that fof, BlockbusfeLVideo and then hereafe SOme ap'artroentSJilld these,~eapartn'1ents too, bJ1t lJ~r~. bere;t1)ere is' aMexic~n res.ta~rant, yes ~o you' .un"~~tancj'mC?; An th~n I~e're ~OiJ h~v'e' the renq,e'tQ enter the p',arld~g'lot.,and~her~ 'are,th-e,p,arking lots"where ,it like'it'so~? AndJ~'~h ~ belje'le.her.e,thcy ~aye one'too.,~irelw.ere'.)'ou. wh.en·tl:ie,sh90ting happ,en~d? ,

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Q: en'theoStreet?Orwere you',i!l·the <\parttnimts?;C3n you say no area,patt of~e building?·

"Q. Wh~ere ~ey rent.the blockb.uster

A. This is the restaurant?

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Q:Whefe? Put an .X. You ~ere h~re? And-where wer:e the-y shooting

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A. Well somc, I really don't know many wert shooting, but you could hear ~he shots here in this area, so it mustHave been here in lhis pare.

Q. Let's see make the circles there,

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Q. Ok, how many people or many. did you.sec were there? Where were they?

A. The ones thaI were shooting?

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Q. Ok was there something here in Ihe mid~le?. .A. Here in the mi.ddle.~. What was here in the middle... It seems about here is where 8 truck was coming.

Q. What Truck?

A. Idorft know what kind, I don't rcmel1!ber it was c1osed'or pic" up what I saw.

Q. What color?

A. Whol color was it? Well. I don't know... II was like white or pearl color.....

.'Q. Around what time was it?

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A, Is was .'.. \vas 2 in the morning or 3. "

Q.2 in the morning?

A. Weill didn't have a watch,

Q, Between 2 and 3

A. Aroun~ there

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Q. Ok and how did you get to this ~a?

A. How did I gel the"re?

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Q. Il's Davis street.

A. Uh·huh. 1came walking ,on this side ofthatsueet, then I look the streellowards this way.

Q, Why did come lhis way, where were you going?

A. What happen is that I come from over there from Michoacln. somebody had told me that around here in that arealhat there was a restaurant ora guy that is from pver there also and weill told myselfifthat.l'rn 'going get crose tothat8rea to see jfsomeone knows him to ask him for help or something. That is what my intentions were.

Q. And what's that person's name?

A. I don't know, the only thing I know according to the reslau~t that is someone that's from over there(Michoacan)

Q. Oh Ok, What is the name afthe restaurant?

A. The restauranl ... what is the name ofthe restaurant? Well I've never come there

Q.Bul they had told its name? Because there are a a lot offucking Mexican restaurants here in Oak Cliff. There onJefferson, what's its name? .

A. What did they tell me the name was? Capital. It seems that whal they said "Capital", It seems thai what they saidor something like that.' . -0"'

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Q. SO, Morclia is the Capital ofMichoacan?"

A. Yes MoreHa and that's why said capital

Q. Ok, so you were going to go.there to get close to sec ifyou get a'job

A. yes weill said if there's someone I know weill can see what-yes that's-all. "-, .,

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A. Was there somebody there?

Q. Was the restauran~ open?

A. The restaurant,l believe not, weill was still a little far away I couldn't see anything. Who knows if there wassome people inside or not.

Q. Ok have you served in the Mexican Anny?

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Q. Yes

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Q. Are YQU sure?

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A. Yeah

Q. Old you have tojump the fence?

A. No it seem tho!· 1went along the bottom of tile hill

Q: Did you have to climb up over something to get there? Because I beiieve it is closed, all ihafare has '8 fence

A. Ilhink I only got/off a wall down there that's all

Q. Listen what kind of shoes did you have?

A. Me?

Q. Yes

A. I had something like work ~hocs

Q. What color'l

A. Blue

Q. Blue?

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Q. And those are the same shorts you had on?

A. No they were some pants

Q. Where did you buy those shorts?

A. They gave me these in the hospital

Q. Oh. ok, ok, yes they looked strange to me

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Q. BUI you had what colorofpants'l

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Q. Yes

A. The pants is a (intelligible)

Q. And the T-shirt

A. The sHirt was b'lue

Q. Blue? Ok I'll be right back Jose Ok? Hey and your name is Jose Rangel Arre~?

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A. mm~ ... I'm about 34, I think, about that I believe -.Q. Ok, I'll be right back

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Q. I'm going 10 bring you an.emp.:mnda', .A. Good, thank you

Q. Jose; wants some coffee

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Q. Ruben?

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Q. Ruben is a friend ofyours?, , .

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Q. Ok from the street or the parkin"g lot?

A, By this side like this

Q: Ok, then y'ou e~~e over here

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Q. Ok. and ~here was the sho~t.ing? Whe~ did they start to Shoo~?

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A. yes down this side about this side

Q. let's see make a line

A. Yes through here by the restaurant

Q. Ok, yes you, leis start from here

A. I came d9wn the street

Q. ~ere point at it

A, This is Ihe street.

Q. You were w~lking and the"n?

A. And then I continued in the slreet

Q. Ok point at it so I can get the idea

A. I followed the street and lhis is like that

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A. Yes then here I went here this way and then from here I was going to go that way that is how I came walking

Q. What was there when they were shooting? Were you alone, or what was lhere in this area?

A. Well th.e only thing I can remember is saw there was 8 truck

Q. One truck

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Q. 9nly one or there were a few?

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A. I those areas from here to over ther.e. there are cars

Q. So there were more "cars?

Q. Did you see a car parked in this area in the parking lot?,

A. Parked in the parking lot? Truly I don't relJlember

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Q. The capital that is the name of the capital of Michoacan

A. Well over lhere the capital is Morelia

Q. Well all right, ok, they hit you on the foot, on what part aflhe fool?

A. Well here like under

Q. Underneath? And then what happen 10 you on the face

A, This?

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Q. When you fell?

A. When they hit me, there I fell this way quickly and I have not even seen it

Q. Is it hard?

A. No:

.Q. Were ybu alolle? Or were you,with somebody?

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Q. Alone? Of these numbers wh.o is the person ~hat lives in this afea?'.

A. In )Vlist area?,Q. litre in-the., Dallas. Area ...

A. Well where the~ live I don't ,know, they in this area,

Q. but who lives here in the city of Dallas or this location?

A. From the,number that I had their not bere anYmore. but this numbeds

Q. Who?

A. This one

Q. Who is this?

A. Ruben

Q. Ruben? Ok. Is he also someone that you get in communication with?

A. That could gei a job

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Q. How were you communicating with these people?

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A. With the... the other number only. This one 1never call.

Q. Of these people ,who did you call?,

A. The only thaI I called was a, a... was th!S one,

Q. to Noel

A. II is from Houston

Q. It's from Houston?·

A. Yes

Q. Do you have here your (Ibmalc) cousin's number?

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A. No that one, no

Q. You don't have it?

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Q. Oh, ok; this combat of Salamanca Street, what is Ihat?,A. That's from over the~1

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A.. @ver"thete in' Mo~eiia

Q. In Morelia? Whd is Pinto?•

Q. I'm going-to tell you something.; Ok?

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A. Polo? He is in Hou~.ton

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