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L ETTERS r LET'S LAUGH TOGETHER Madam- PE Jordan's letter appearing in the July edition of Manufacturing Engineer forces me to put pen to paper in sup- port of Ernest Heptonstall. The British sense of humour is admired throughout the world and is an excellent medium through which serious topics can be introduced and discus- sion stimulated. Far from criti- cising Mr Heptonstall's con- tribution, I think many of our committees would do well to emulate his plain language and entertaining style. The suggestion of 'qualifica- tion of intent' against individual articles is not only a slight on the intelligence of your reader- ship, but also superfluous as there is a general disclaimer on page one of each issue. Eur Ing IM Bergman CEng MIEE Solothurn Switzerland QUALITY WIDE Madam - I find it difficult to un- derstand Sam Kinchin's view that only core activities of a business are covered where companies achieve BS 5750 registration (Bridge over the Gap -July 1992). The requirements for a sup- plier to implement and maintain a policy for quality at all levels of the organisation is fun- damentally specified in BS 5750. TQM may be selec- tively applied to departments and, where appropriate, amendments may be made to the quality system. To use CWR (company wide registration) as an optional means of improving quality will no doubt reap results, but to see it as a bridge from BS 5750 to TQM is misleading. David Nash lEng Knowle Bristol JIT AND THE ART OF CAR SELLING Madam - The recent account of Rover principles (A New Deal? - July 1992) prompts me to describe experiences I have had in attempting to buy one of their products (a Rover 800 Series diesel). These relatively expensive pieces of hardware - about £23 000 - are not available to test prior to ordering and the only way to obtain one, or so the dealers tell me, is to place a £500 cash deposit. They will then quote a delivery time which is a minimum of eight weeks as all orders are placed with the factory, no cars being built for stock. While this JIT might be good for Rover's books, it is not good for the customer who could find that in the meantime the dealer has gone into liquidation taking the £500 with him. (The dealer would not accept a credit card or a cheque to a third party which would protect the buyer). The dealer explained that Rover's new policy was to make these cars more difficult to obtain so increasing their value. This marketing policy only works if other manufac- turers follow, but I was able to obtain almost immediate test drives on equivalent Volvo and Mercedes diesel models with deliveries quoted in firm days. As you may guess, I did not buy a Rover, which is a pity as I believe in supporting UK in- dustry where possible and the product had good reviews. It is yet another example of a very poor customer policy that many UK companies are prone to despite the claims made to cus- tomer orientation. If JIT applies to company suppliers, should it not apply to buyers? B Seymour Address supplied WE GOT THERE FIRST! Madam - I write with reference to the News Digest section in the July issue of Manufacturing Engineer. Under the heading Software it is claimed by Kewill Systems that, due to their agreement with the Scheduling Technol- ogy Group, for the first time the 'most modern manufacturing technology management meth- ods will now be within cost ef- fective reach of small and me- dium sized companies'. Cimtek Ltd was formed in direct response to difficulties faced by a small company struggling to gain any benefit from the very expensive system purchased from Kewill in the 1980s. Cimtek has been on the market since 1989 and has many happy users making the most of modern manufacturing management methods and the latest 4GL relational database techniques. I realise that the information printed in this section of your journal is taken from informa- tion sent to you by readers and suppliers to industry. It would be gratifying to have the oppor- tunity of response! Adrian Davy Cimtek Ltd ASSOCIATES ARISE - THERE IS LIFE AFTER MERGER! Madam- Enough of the moans and groans about asso- ciate issues highlighted in manufacturing matters and elsewhere. Please can we as an active group of individuals advise of the positive side of the areas being investigated. For those associates who wish to be active, whether lEng, Eng Tech, or otherwise, let it be known that a committee ap- proved by Council exists and has met on three occasions to look at ways that the interests of some 10% of the institution can be bettered. This associ- ates committee, with national representation, has recently es- tablished a working party with specific terms of reference that include investigating the needs and aspirations of the grade. To this end it is proposed to find out what associates require from the institution via a postal survey over the next few weeks. When you receive your form, fill it in and return it, other- wise things will not change! We would like to add that the response to our involvement in centre activities has been posi- tive and encouraging to enable associates to take an active role in the institution affairs. More information through lEENews will be forthcoming in the near future. (See IEE News, September 3rd, page 3 - Ed.) If you individuals have a point to be raised regarding as- sociates please write to any of the following via the editor. S Long (Chairman) C Blanchard MFox M Halliday G Johnston D Fullwood (Please address letters c/o The Editor, Manufacturing Engin- eer, Michael Faraday House, Six Hills Way, Stevenage, Herts SG1 2AY.) MANUFACTURING ENGINEER SEPTEMBER 1992

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LETTERS

r

LET'SLAUGHTOGETHERMadam- PE Jordan's letterappearing in the July edition ofManufacturing Engineer forcesme to put pen to paper in sup-port of Ernest Heptonstall.

The British sense of humouris admired throughout the worldand is an excellent mediumthrough which serious topicscan be introduced and discus-sion stimulated. Far from criti-cising Mr Heptonstall's con-tribution, I think many of ourcommittees would do well toemulate his plain language andentertaining style.

The suggestion of 'qualifica-tion of intent' against individualarticles is not only a slight onthe intelligence of your reader-ship, but also superfluous asthere is a general disclaimer onpage one of each issue.

Eur Ing IM BergmanCEng MIEE

SolothurnSwitzerland

QUALITYWIDEMadam - I find it difficult to un-derstand Sam Kinchin's viewthat only core activities of abusiness are covered wherecompanies achieve BS 5750registration (Bridge over theGap -July 1992).

The requirements for a sup-plier to implement and maintaina policy for quality at all levelsof the organisation is fun-damental ly specif ied inBS 5750. TQM may be selec-tively applied to departmentsand, where appropriate,amendments may be made tothe quality system.

To use CWR (company wideregistration) as an optionalmeans of improving quality willno doubt reap results, but to seeit as a bridge from BS 5750 toTQM is misleading.

David Nash lEngKnowleBristol

JIT AND THE ARTOF CAR SELLINGMadam - The recent accountof Rover principles (A NewDeal? - July 1992) prompts meto describe experiences I havehad in attempting to buy one oftheir products (a Rover 800Series diesel).

These relatively expensivepieces of hardware - about£23 000 - are not available totest prior to ordering and theonly way to obtain one, or so thedealers tell me, is to place a£500 cash deposit. They willthen quote a delivery timewhich is a minimum of eightweeks as all orders are placedwith the factory, no cars beingbuilt for stock.

While this JIT might be goodfor Rover's books, it is not goodfor the customer who could findthat in the meantime the dealerhas gone into liquidation takingthe £500 with him. (The dealerwould not accept a credit cardor a cheque to a third party

which would protect the buyer).The dealer explained that

Rover's new policy was tomake these cars more difficultto obtain so increasing theirvalue. This marketing policyonly works if other manufac-turers follow, but I was able toobtain almost immediate testdrives on equivalent Volvo andMercedes diesel models withdeliveries quoted in firm days.

As you may guess, I did notbuy a Rover, which is a pity asI believe in supporting UK in-dustry where possible and theproduct had good reviews. It isyet another example of a verypoor customer policy that manyUK companies are prone todespite the claims made to cus-tomer orientation.

If JIT applies to companysuppliers, should it not apply tobuyers?

B SeymourAddress supplied

WE GOTTHERE FIRST!Madam - I write with referenceto the News Digest section inthe July issue of ManufacturingEngineer.

Under the heading Softwareit is claimed by Kewill Systemsthat, due to their agreementwith the Scheduling Technol-ogy Group, for the first time the'most modern manufacturingtechnology management meth-ods will now be within cost ef-fective reach of small and me-dium sized companies'.

Cimtek Ltd was formed indirect response to difficultiesfaced by a small companystruggling to gain any benefit

from the very expensive systempurchased from Kewill in the1980s. Cimtek has been on themarket since 1989 and hasmany happy users making themost of modern manufacturingmanagement methods and thelatest 4GL relational databasetechniques.

I realise that the informationprinted in this section of yourjournal is taken from informa-tion sent to you by readers andsuppliers to industry. It wouldbe gratifying to have the oppor-tunity of response!

Adrian DavyCimtek Ltd

ASSOCIATESARISE -THERE ISLIFE AFTERMERGER!Madam- Enough of themoans and groans about asso-ciate issues highlighted inmanufacturing matters andelsewhere. Please can we asan active group of individualsadvise of the positive side of theareas being investigated.

For those associates whowish to be active, whether lEng,Eng Tech, or otherwise, let it beknown that a committee ap-proved by Council exists andhas met on three occasions tolook at ways that the interestsof some 10% of the institutioncan be bettered. This associ-ates committee, with nationalrepresentation, has recently es-tablished a working party withspecific terms of reference thatinclude investigating the needsand aspirations of the grade.To this end it is proposed to findout what associates requirefrom the institution via a postalsurvey over the next fewweeks. When you receive yourform, fill it in and return it, other-wise things will not change!

We would like to add that theresponse to our involvement incentre activities has been posi-tive and encouraging to enableassociates to take an activerole in the institution affairs.

More information throughlEENews will be forthcoming inthe near future. (See IEE News,September 3rd, page 3 - Ed.)

If you individuals have apoint to be raised regarding as-sociates please write to any ofthe following via the editor.

S Long (Chairman)C Blanchard

MFoxM Halliday

G JohnstonD Fullwood

(Please address letters c/o TheEditor, Manufacturing Engin-eer, Michael Faraday House,Six Hills Way, Stevenage,Herts SG1 2AY.)

MANUFACTURING ENGINEER SEPTEMBER 1992