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SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 16, 2007  Vajiram GS: Is it worth Long Queues for admission in October for GS PCM batch….  A huge crowd gathering arou nd Vajiram and Ravi…..  Astronomica l fees, but still people wi lling to join as it's c onsidered the  best institute for G S…  As a student, I encountered th e same things two years back when I came from Chennai to Delhi. Though the fees was too high compared to institutes at other places , I joined as e veryone said it is the best. But the reality that I faced was totally different what I call as the height of economic, educational and social corruption. I list down the facts for all the three and leave it to you to decide  whether you should join or not . Economic Corruption: I wanted to pay by cheque from my salary account of Chennai. Throughout my education, I have paid my fees through cheque. But here, Mr Ravindran, Director refused to accept even a local cheque!!! They accepted only draft or cash. It's very obvious that no one would pay draft as for a figure of around Rs 55000 (GS + Optional), the commission is enormous. So everyone would prefer to p ay by cash….  And here is where the co rruption starts .  After paying cash, they give y ou a manu al receipt (and no t a computerize d or printed..). And, they take back this receipt after the commencement of the class in lieu of the identity card that they issue. Thus, students have no proof of any cash payment and clearly, it is the fuelling of black money economy. There is every reason to believe that the money they receive is possibly unaccounted. The infrastructur al facilities there are so bad that it looks like a madhouse . The classes take place in the basement of a building that has  been declared unsafe from MCD in view of the bu ilding by- laws. Th at means, it can crumble any time. If it happens, it could be the g reatest mishap as there is only one small exit from the class room and no emergency exit there. Plus, being in the basement, there is no  ventilation and the situati on becomes hor rible when the lig ht goes (which normally happe ns in Delhi) and the AC is switched off. Just imagine… 300 students sitting in a hotch- potch conditions with no BLOG ARCHIVE 2007 (2) September  (2) The reality of Sociology in  Vajiram  Vajiram GS: Is it worth ABOUT ME KARTHIGA VIEW MY COMPLETE PROFILE  More Next Blog» Create Blog  Sign In THE MIRAGE OF VAJIRAM AND RAVI The Mirage of Vajiram and ravi: Vajiram GS: Is it worth http://vajiramandravi.blogspot.in/2007/09/vajiram-gs-is-it-worth... 1 of 38 10-06-14 ઉર મયા 03:53

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    Vajiram GS: Is it worthLong Queues for admission in October for GS PCM batch.

    A huge crowd gathering around Vajiram and Ravi..

    Astronomical fees, but still people willing to join as it's considered the

    best institute for GS

    As a student, I encountered the same things two years back when I

    came from Chennai to Delhi. Though the fees was too high compared to

    institutes at other places, I joined as everyone said it is the best. But the

    reality that I faced was totally different what I call as the height of

    economic, educational and social corruption.

    I list down the facts for all the three and leave it to you to decide

    whether you should join or not.

    Economic Corruption:I wanted to pay by cheque from my salary account of Chennai.

    Throughout my education, I have paid my fees through cheque. But

    here, Mr Ravindran, Director refused to accept even a local cheque!!!

    They accepted only draft or cash. It's very obvious that no one would

    pay draft as for a figure of around Rs 55000 (GS + Optional), the

    commission is enormous. So everyone would prefer to pay by cash.

    And here is where the corruption starts.

    After paying cash, they give you a manual receipt (and not a

    computerized or printed..). And, they take back this receipt after the

    commencement of the class in lieu of the identity card that they issue.

    Thus, students have no proof of any cash payment and clearly, it is the

    fuelling of black money economy. There is every reason to believe that

    the money they receive is possibly unaccounted.

    The infrastructural facilities there are so bad that it looks like a

    madhouse. The classes take place in the basement of a building that has

    been declared unsafe from MCD in view of the building by- laws. That

    means, it can crumble any time. If it happens, it could be the greatest

    mishap as there is only one small exit from the class room and no

    emergency exit there. Plus, being in the basement, there is no

    ventilation and the situation becomes horrible when the light goes

    (which normally happens in Delhi) and the AC is switched off. Just

    imagine 300 students sitting in a hotch- potch conditions with no

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  • ventilation and immense humidity and heat.. Yes,. this is the

    condition that we faced during almost whole six months. But we

    tolerated all just with a belief that whatever we were taught was going

    to be useful. But this too was utter false

    Educational CorruptionNow coming to what they teach.. just a minute. Do they really teach? If

    you think dictating or making you write the material is teaching then

    yes, they teach. They only make you write and write like a donkey and

    nothing else, just piling up and making your life difficult. Secondly, in

    polity, Mr Ravindran dictates at such a fast speed that you end up with

    a bad hand- writing and not able to read what u wrote finally. And what

    a stupid reason Ravindran gives Listen. "Instead of me walking along

    with you, you start running with me. By the end of the class you will

    develop speed for mains.". Disgusting. Mains Exam requires a speed of

    just 16- 18 words per minute. But here, they make you write at a speed

    of 40 wpm. My goodness, a good portion of his lectures are often

    missed by the students.

    In almost all the subjects, the material is out of focus. Ravindran

    teaches polity like Political Science. You just can't figure out what you

    should write out of his material when a question appears. Finally, he

    flatly blames the students for not having been able to do so.

    Geography starts with Physical Geography. With due respect to Mr

    Manocha, you can easily figure out after a few class what kind of

    character he has. He teaches so much of irrelevant physical geography

    from either mains or prelims point of view that students start getting

    frustrated after seeing the actual UPSC paper. I bet if you can answer

    any of the UPSC questions after attending his lectures. The last

    portions are taken very hurriedly mainly by giving photocopied

    material.

    In history, situation is equally worse. They teach you the entire history

    without telling you how to tackle the questions. The Modern history

    teacher reads out the questions in the class but never explains how to

    answer. He also only makes you write the entire history. But the most

    dismal issue is- there is no time management in history. The modern

    History teacher started with Ancient History. When he reached

    Medieval, another Ancient History Professor started coming. After a

    few days, a Medieval History teacher started coming and believe me,

    those were focusless boring lecture. As a result, Modern History

    teacher took the medieval portions hurriedly and started Modern

    History. But by that time, it was too late, and he could not cover even

    upto 1942 properly before the Prelims. He took the rest of the classes

    after prelims, but what was the use???

    In Economy, Kathuria Sir was good in teaching, Historybut I could not

    find any of his material or questions coming in the Prelims. So what

    was the use? There was a young teacher called Gangadhar, a highly

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  • egoist person who claimed to be an IFS and was taking the agriculture

    and external sector in Indian economy. It was hopeless beyond even

    expectations.

    There was not even a single current affairs class beforeprelims . How pathetic!! when the area covers 50% of the GS prelimpaper.

    It is my objective assessment that in no subject of GS, there is any

    outstanding teaching . I simply wasted my money but the more

    precious things that I wasted were my time and energy which I can

    never recover back.

    Social CorruptionNow a question arises, why at all the students take admission in

    Vajiram inspite of poor infrastructural facilities and astronomical fees?

    The place is situated in a crowded market and there is no reading room

    either.

    Plus, the local population there is the migrants from North East

    frontier who came here during partition. Needless to say, in the

    absence of the institute providing any accommodation facilities, we

    have to stay as renters in the local people's premises at their mercy

    Needless to say, they charge exorbitant rents and their behaviour

    towards outsiders especially south Indians is very exploiting and

    discriminatory.

    Inspite of that, I chose to stay there for six terrible months with a hope

    that I am doing a good job for my career.

    I mugged up each and every word that I wrote in the class notes and

    the questions they had given. But to my utter discontent , not even a

    single direct question came from their notes. I am not exaggerating. It's

    a fact. The result was, I, along with many, could not clear PT- 2006.

    There was hopelessness and despair all around.

    Now let me bluntly raise a point. Most of the students go therewith a hope that the questions they give are 'important' fromprelims point of view and the questions asked in UPSC arebased on what they teach. THIS IS TOTALLY FALSE BEYONDANY DOUBT.

    And finally, the behaviour of their staff is too indifferent, insensitive

    and pathetic. there is no direct number where you can call and get Mr

    Ravindran and the staff is normally reluctant to transfer line to him In

    these two years, I could never get Mr Ravindran on telephone. Just the

    way you have to meet a bureaucrat, you have to wait in a long queue of

    students to meet him and yes, his attitude is also truly bureaucratic in

    nature

    So friends, you all must be thinking who I am and why I am doing this

    negative publicity of an institute. Well folks, I am an unsuccessful 2006

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  • candidate who cleared prelims this year and writing mains this

    October- November. I do not intend to create any negative publicity of

    Vajiram. I just want to warn the students of the consequences I faced.

    I am also not an agent of any other coaching institute. Otherwise, I'd

    have made some positive publicity of that institute as well. I am just a

    simple individual, who treats IAS aspirants a community. And if you

    can spend some time and energy in writing this blog without any

    monetary cost, what's the harm? I have anyways wasted thousands of

    hrs in hopeless classes and millions of Joules of energy already.

    So folks, if you have a lot of money, time and energy to waste and you

    are not serious in clearing prelims in one attempt, then

    Please Join VajiramN Karthiga

    [email protected]

    POSTED BY KARTHIGA AT 10:11 PM

    1 3 2 C O M M E N T S :

    jyoti said...

    you are very correct ............i had similar experience with

    geography..........the teacher mr shabbir is a third class failure

    who throws tantrums then and now and even does not provide

    basic notes...he covers only 11-12 topics out of 20...........though

    i have been selected for civil services ..........i consider him the

    main factor behind my failure in my first attempt

    SEPTEMBER 17, 2007 AT 12:07 PM

    Amit said...

    Well Mr. Karthiga !

    Your blog is an eye-opener for me.

    Most of my seniors and classfellows always advised me that if I

    am going to take any coaching class in Delhi, that should be

    Vajiram & Ravi only.

    But since I belong to lower middle-class, I couldn't manage to

    arrange the fees anytime.

    With your blog, What I understand that it is only one's hard

    work and vision to answer questions meticulously and withing

    time and word-limit frame which can lead to the success and

    there may not be any need of any coaching classes to pass

    UPSC's Civil Services Examination.

    Even, I read some blogs before in which those who have faced

    interview of CS examination had mentioned that UPSC

    interviewers can guess by your answering that from where you

    did the coaching and preparation for the interview. It lead me

    to think that one should be original and that could be happen

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  • only when one reads from all the available sources but explain

    it from his own genuine thoughts.

    My Best wishes to you for the Civil Services (Mains)!!

    SEPTEMBER 18, 2007 AT 5:18 AM

    Pawan said...

    Mr Karthiga,

    Best of luck for your mains!

    I can feel your feelings. But Please tell me where to take the

    coaching then as it has become a necessary evil. I am a

    govt.officer going to delhi on leave for 5 months. I have only

    one chance to do the coaching. Do suggest the best modus

    operandi to clear the most prestigious exams. I am In second

    level of preparation i.e.have read all basic books. Thanks in

    anticipation.

    SEPTEMBER 20, 2007 AT 9:38 PM

    C$r said...

    Quite castigating. Good luck.

    SEPTEMBER 23, 2007 AT 8:44 PM

    yuman said...

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    yuman said...

    Yes Karthiga most of the coaching institutes in delhi are

    charging exorbitantly and they are worthy of nothing, totally

    bullshit . they fool u

    No doubt our money is making them rich.

    Vajiram ,, intereactions, als , etc etc are fooling people around .

    Please make more and more people aware with ur blog

    and good luck for mains man ...

    SEPTEMBER 26, 2007 AT 11:45 PM

    sarvjeet said...

    You might be right to an extent,but,you can't deny the fact that

    teachers like Kathuria,Shukla,Sanjeev Verma and others are a

    treat to study from.They've helped me build an insight into the

    subjects.Who cares about getting direct questions,u can always

    mug up so many prelims specific books available in the market.

    Anyway,good luck for mains n whether u accept it or not

    VAJIRAM coaching is going to be of great help in mains n

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  • hopefully in Interview also.

    OCTOBER 3, 2007 AT 9:59 AM

    saraswati said...

    dumb cattle . thats how i find these vajiram students. may be a

    few `good apples' are there!!!!!!!

    OCTOBER 7, 2007 AT 7:26 AM

    Karthiga said...

    Hi all,

    I respect all ur concerns.Thank you all for appreciating my

    efforts. However, I'd like to say one thing. Studying from

    Manocha, Kathuria etc can be a treat for Civil services aspirant

    only if the coaching is useful for the exam. However, if someone

    wants to join only for intellectual enlightenment, I have no

    issues pl go ahead.

    What I can really guide u is. Never go for any 6 months pre cum

    mains course. Its a waste.... big waste.

    I wish u all good luck.

    NOVEMBER 5, 2007 AT 9:47 PM

    RamZ said...

    This comment has been removed by the author.NOVEMBER 26, 2007 AT 1:32 AM

    Shweta said...

    Ramz... or whatever u're....

    U are definitely an agent of Vaji...

    How much money did they pay you to write ur comments?

    I am also a student of Vaji and what Karthiga has written is

    true beyond doubts.

    Shame on you... you are misguiding the students

    DECEMBER 15, 2007 AT 11:28 PM

    Swati said...

    I have been seeing this blog for quite some time. I have cleared

    Civil Services Exam 2003 and presently in an allied service.

    I must say that Karthiga is very harsh in writing such a blog.

    But I must admit that the facts she/ he has written are also

    true.

    Would like to add here that GS is truly a game of whether you

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  • know the facts or not (except for mental ability qs). If you

    know, you are in, otherwise u're out. Mains, I agree, is a test

    more of expression than knowledge. If you have mediocre

    knowledge and good expression, still you can score well. But

    prelims is different.

    Thus, it is expected from a coaching institute to provide those

    facts which would help in answering questions.

    And Ramz, please don't criticize ppl if they mug up facts for GS

    prelims. That is the only way to prepare. UPSC doesn't at all

    test a candidate's callibre in GS pre. That's unfortunate, but

    painfully true.

    DECEMBER 19, 2007 AT 7:50 AM

    Puneet Mehta said...

    Hi Folks,

    Would like to share an interesting piece of information..

    I found that Vaji Class notes are available in the markets of Jia

    Sarai and Ber Sarai and that too, not hand written, but neatly

    typed. Available in just Rs 1000/-. And the price may even get

    halved if it is photocopied.

    So why to spend Rs 35000 when the material is available at

    fractions... Anyways, Vaji doesn't provide anything apart from

    dictated class notes.

    The notes reach market by mid may every year.

    DECEMBER 22, 2007 AT 7:48 PM

    RamZ said...

    This comment has been removed by the author.DECEMBER 30, 2007 AT 8:38 AM

    RamZ said...

    This comment has been removed by the author.DECEMBER 30, 2007 AT 8:38 AM

    Sharan said...

    Hey can anyone tell hw is raus,delhi???..is it same as "mirajge

    of V&R"....and also hw is brilliant tutorials material....

    JANUARY 15, 2008 AT 8:16 AM

    XeLNZof said...

    hi karthiga...........

    i am really thankfull to you......as you shared experiance at delhi

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  • institutes with all of us.

    but........i feel the WAY YOU MADE THAT BLOG WAS REALLY

    GREAT.......& also i feel...if you WRITE THE MAINS

    EXAM....SURELY YOU CAN BE THE TOP......

    Its my confidence on YOU....eventhough i dont know who are

    you earliar, iam very much of confident abt you & your attitude.

    here my personal kind suggestion to you is JUST DO YOUR

    BEST KARTHIGA.........ONLY YOUR BEST.

    Try to be carefull on this kind of Bladies in future...........

    pls keep in touch with me karthiga,

    APRIL 21, 2008 AT 6:23 AM

    Spirit said...

    Just a small rejoinder:

    I am a PCM student of Vaji GS 2008- 2009. Two things have

    changed now:

    1. Now they take only draft for fees. So friends, b prepared to

    shed extra money as draft charges

    2. ACs are working fine now..

    Rest all what blog mentions stil exist today

    MAY 14, 2008 AT 1:03 AM

    rahul said...

    i have full sympathy with u .........but using such harsh words

    for vajiram institute are not appreciating......we all know the

    success rate of this exam is very low so its true that many don't

    qualify but i feel that its not possible for an ordinary human

    being to complete the entire course in 4-4.5 months.......the

    exam definitely requires ur OWN efforts....i have the personal

    experience of clearing it in first attempt...........so take it as a

    guidance and apply ur own brain to crack this exam........all the

    best

    MAY 14, 2008 AT 1:44 AM

    do or.. said...

    dear rahul,

    if you want to differ factually, plz go ahead. don't give your

    subjective opinions. inspite of so much injustice still you are

    with the bourgeoise shareholders? how would you understand

    the concerns of poor ppl in bureaucracy? do you still justify the

    harm cause to poor people who come from villages and pay fees

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  • to such institutes by selling their land? how insensitive......

    MAY 14, 2008 AT 7:48 AM

    jacob said...

    god it is shocking...so much for all the big name that vajiram

    has...this article is a real eyeopener....CAN SOMEBODY PLZ

    TELL ME HOW IS SRIRAM INSTITUTE FOR GS...has

    anybody attended their classes... is that also the same

    way...WHICH INSTITUTE WOULD BE THE BEST FOR GS

    ...HOW IS Ramaswamy for Socio and for History are there any

    good teachers in Rajinder Nagar

    JUNE 9, 2008 AT 1:37 AM

    anurag said...

    HEy thanx for all dis,plz can u suggest me any Institute for GS

    as il be gng 2 delhi very soon plzz..

    SEPTEMBER 4, 2008 AT 9:25 PM

    kumar said...

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    kumar said...

    hi all,

    i agree with some points raised by mr. karthiga but somewhere

    he was very harse towards the coaching.

    let me tell my experience there.some teacher were very good in

    teaching. i should mention the name of mr. kathuria,sanjeev

    verma for there good instruction in economy. mr. ravinderan

    was very good in polity and current affairs. although mr. shukla

    was not able to cover the whole syllabus of modern history but

    whatever he taught that was really good and his classes were

    very interesting. dr. abhilaas was very good in science &

    technology portion.....for rest of the teachers of

    geography,medival history,ancient history,stats .........i agree

    with mr.re karthiga for them........

    SEPTEMBER 5, 2008 AT 12:51 PM

    remya said...

    friends, those who r in delhi can try career point, i heard very

    good things about it from 2 friends(one is in service)....for g s u

    should concentrate on standard books and be ready with

    points..maximum points within the word and time limit will do

    the trick...

    i myself never went to delhi.i prepared with friends in

    trivandrum.butmy g s score were consistent and i cleared in

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  • 2006(Ips m&t cadre).now i resigned and runs an institute in

    chennai..for any queries regarding civil service do contact

    me([email protected])..good luk

    OCTOBER 12, 2008 AT 12:14 AM

    ranjeet said...

    Hi to all.....

    uptill now i had heard only of Vaji... as the BEST one 4 GS....but

    after all this im completely confused & find myself

    nowhere.....right now im working in Infosys....& in my initial

    phase of prep...going thru the basic books......but if not the

    BEST than where i can get better than the best....

    OCTOBER 12, 2008 AT 8:40 AM

    rhythm said...

    Mr.Kathuria has lost his vitality. he is ok for a lecture or two.

    the venerable lecturer is physically not in a condition to lecture.

    they are bringing all kinds of novices. which mukherjee nagar

    institutes usually do.

    it does not cover current events at all for prelims. for the mains,

    since this year, it is pathetic.

    please see the class notes and prinyted notes which confirm me

    totally.

    chronicle is far far better than vajiram's notes.

    for economics, the faculty( misnomer)compiled some 2 mark

    questions which every student knows. when i asked for

    answers, he said look up in the notes. i bet he does not know

    the answers.

    regarding the s and t faculty, the teacher went off to the usa.

    vajii has the worst faculty now.

    his result is because of the ritual of mock interview. he has half

    a dozen optionals. some contribute to the result.

    from GS, the cumulative result is less than 50.

    this institute is going the Rau's way- live off the brand. Let

    students go to hell. If they are smart, they would not have

    joined in the first place!!!!!!!!strange logic from an ed.

    institution.

    NOVEMBER 29, 2008 AT 10:28 PM

    Satish Kumar said...

    As some have already mentioned Civils has to be seen as

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  • something totally personal.

    I agree with most of what Karthiga has said, at the same time

    reasonably can claim that Vajiram is one of the better ones.

    It is the people that you come across, and the energy that is

    there in the atmosphere in Rajendra nagar that gives a kick.

    After that it is your effort.

    But, as Karthiga rightly pointed out, the discriminatory attitude

    of people there hurts, especially when you are on a tight budget

    and end up dealing with people with shabby houses..

    Finally, this is Civil services, where you expect to become IAS

    and IPS and IFS and what not. Not some engineering or MBBS

    test, you take after 12th.

    Dont try to look up to any body any more. No body is sacro

    sanct. Even you. If you dont agree with my immediate last

    statement, you are either ignorant or not mature enough yet or

    plain bluffin.

    It is you and you alone, who can get every piece of information

    to clear the test.

    And finally, a well structured article by Karthiga. For those

    coming to Delhi for UPSC coaching, this will help in what to

    expect.

    If only, Karthiga had taken coaching in Rau's or some other, he

    would have even lost the spirit to write a good blog like this.

    FEBRUARY 9, 2009 AT 1:37 AM

    peri said...

    please can you provide me previous years question papers of

    GS and psychology..i am preparing for CSE2010

    MAY 18, 2009 AT 3:51 AM

    stallion said...

    Great blog sir.....It is certainly an eye opener.....by nw m sure u

    hv cleared ur UPSC!!!! all the best.....n do suggest me some

    better (if not best) institutes for GS and geography

    JULY 29, 2009 AT 9:59 PM

    Aery Prabhakar said...

    Thank you for sharing your experience . Really, thanks!

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  • MARCH 17, 2010 AT 7:54 AM

    abhishek said...

    science students should not join for gs coz the speed is too fast.

    PT is current centric(trend chasers available in market)

    Chronicle publishes vajiram's mains notes(tacitly), also neat

    hand written notes(mains) are available thanks to innovative

    petty shopkeepers- wonder why waste money(esp. true for

    vajiram its modus operandi is notes)

    certainly not for freshers.

    APRIL 2, 2010 AT 6:33 PM

    S. Bala Murugan said...

    Try Rau's instead ;-) (saying this with a tremendous amount of

    sarcasm)

    APRIL 21, 2010 AT 4:37 AM

    jatin said...

    i read your eye opner artical

    and one thing more i want to add to this that in newspaper

    THE HINDU front page dated 21-04-2010 vajiram's

    advertisement is there ! he stated that in 2008 the person

    having RANK 6 was his student, thats horrible, scandalous, as

    he is my child hood frnd and a MBBS, was doctor in

    MOULANA he is brilliant he never took any coaching and

    cleared in single attempt while juggling his job and studies. a

    big word for vajiram and raji, i cant point out middel finger

    here so....... **** *** u liers

    APRIL 21, 2010 AT 10:27 PM

    Abhishek kumar said...

    Excellent post by Karthiga

    APRIL 21, 2010 AT 11:25 PM

    Dr Shahid Iqbal, IFS / IAS said...

    dear frends coaching today has become an industry,so to

    wholly blame the institute will be wrong. we need to analyse

    our options well before landing in delhi. i too had a similar

    experience with Career Plus wich i joined just after finishing

    my college. had to leave withing a week after paying huge

    amounts and suffering mental agony. then i prepared at my

    own and joined Vajiram for GS crash course for mains,and i

    The Mirage of Vajiram and ravi: Vajiram GS: Is it worth http://vajiramandravi.blogspot.in/2007/09/vajiram-gs-is-it-worth...

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  • found it the best i could get. may be because i had only 50days

    in hand, under pressure and utilizing every single minute but

    the guidance was quite helpful. for UPSC we cant depend on

    classes or just mugging up notes as the times have changed and

    one needs to be innovative in writing as well, u need to have

    information regarding anything under the sky!! so prepare

    urself and join coaching only for ur weakest areas, m sure u will

    not be disappointed.

    the fee structure is realy quite high for any middle class

    background student to pay,but we have to live with that reality

    unless government comes with some regulation. i found many

    colleagues not utilising their potential just in a trauma of

    having spent so much and not geting desired outcome. but one

    has to put his max frends, there shudnt be any second

    thoughts.

    i understand the feelings of writer but under the RBI

    regulations any fee/transaction above 5000 has to be through a

    demand draft and the tax is duly reflected in that receipt.

    so frends plz dont go by others directions,just keep these things

    in mind and be a best judge of urself.

    i found a concern for aspirants as a frend forwarded me this

    link,so was tempted to write.

    serious aspirants may contact at [email protected]

    Dr Shahid Iqbal, IAS

    Government of Jammu & Kashmir

    APRIL 22, 2010 AT 9:13 AM

    Dr Shahid Iqbal, IFS / IAS said...

    Shahid Iqbal

    APRIL 22, 2010 AT 9:14 AM

    amit said...

    they are bunch of thugs ...!!

    bastards are looting innocent students ... but this is the way this

    cruel world function :)

    APRIL 24, 2010 AT 12:02 PM

    life is a celebration! said...

    Mr.Karthiga has openly shared the truth.Thankful to him.

    I am in a dilemma as some like Mr.Shaid Iqbal have shared

    pros about vajiram and ravi.

    I need ur help as I have done my BA in economics but havent

    gone through any basic books.2011 wil be my first attempt.I m

    joining the Vaji and ravi GS and public admnstrtion this

    june.How shd I cover basic books.I belong to lower middle

    class.What shd be the strategy?

    The Mirage of Vajiram and ravi: Vajiram GS: Is it worth http://vajiramandravi.blogspot.in/2007/09/vajiram-gs-is-it-worth...

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  • MAY 10, 2010 AT 11:31 PM

    ashu said...

    then wat to do....we cant clear these xams without

    coaching.....tell me the alternative Mr.

    MAY 12, 2010 AT 12:25 AM

    raza said...

    Please tell me which is the best place for Political Science...

    I heard about Kumd ranjan sir from Khan's Study group..

    MAY 13, 2010 AT 3:19 AM

    lalit said...

    HI DEAR,i am out of this exam. last year i.e 2009.i wrote three

    mains (cs exam.)consecutly.i performed very well in

    exam.,hoping to get good rank,but to my surprise and others,i

    got very poor marks in main.exam.i had put up mind,heart and

    soul into this entire examination system.the end result was not

    well.

    i am giving pcs exam.i just want to give some good suggestions:

    nobody can make u civil servant,it is u who can make out or fall

    down.life is not end ,it goes on without V&R.just put best and

    UPSC WILL DECIDE UR FAITH ,NOT UR PAST

    BACKGROUND ,MONEY,FOOD, AND SO ON. THIS IS

    INJUSTICE I AND U AND OTHERS FACE YEAR AFTER

    YEAR.SO GOOD LUCK TO U GUYS OF V&R ALUMINI. LALIT

    KUMAR SINGH

    MAY 17, 2010 AT 8:26 AM

    raza said...

    It is only that when we have options then there is too much

    confusion.

    There are so many institutes in Delhi.

    Still if any one can help me regarding the institute for Political

    Science it would be great.

    MAY 17, 2010 AT 9:47 AM

    Solo said...

    This year's (2010) prelim further proves how dangerous it is to

    depend on coaching centre material & class notes. Many people

    spend too much time cramming GS coaching notes and current

    affairs books, and too little on their optionals. This year's GS

    pre would've been a rude awakening for them. Without a strong

    grasp of fundamentals, GS can be a very risky bet, no matter

    how famous the coaching institute.

    The Mirage of Vajiram and ravi: Vajiram GS: Is it worth http://vajiramandravi.blogspot.in/2007/09/vajiram-gs-is-it-worth...

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  • MAY 26, 2010 AT 4:41 AM

    GFC said...

    Thanks a lot for information. It surely helped a great deal.

    JUNE 12, 2010 AT 12:22 PM

    anamika said...

    I am not an IAS aspirant but I am glad you took the initiative...

    JUNE 17, 2010 AT 1:27 AM

    bonjoe said...

    i agreed totally with all my frns.....Coaching has all turned to

    bussiness...what matters is self study rather than completely

    believing on them

    JULY 6, 2010 AT 1:13 PM

    Dhwani said...

    Hi,

    Iv already made reservations to come over to Delhi this Oct.

    Can anyone plz tell me which is the better institute (and i say

    the better one cuz i read the whole blog and i want to kno which

    is better among all as not one is the best)for coaching for Gs

    and can i get mains coaching in Oct itself?

    O and one more thing. We dont have an Optional for 2011

    Prelims right? so i only need to get coaching for GS & CSAT.

    Right?

    JULY 22, 2010 AT 9:38 PM

    Neeraj said...

    I had this conversation with V&S via mail and they told me that

    fee is not decided for oct session still. No wonder they are

    increasing it.

    can anyone tell me what was the fee for june session.

    moreso i agree to what mr iqbal said.

    Its more about getting regularity and meeting fellow aspirants

    and competitive environment that u need for the kick start rest

    is up to you.

    JULY 24, 2010 AT 1:24 PM

    sonali said...

    Hi neeraj,

    you can checkout the fee structure for june at

    The Mirage of Vajiram and ravi: Vajiram GS: Is it worth http://vajiramandravi.blogspot.in/2007/09/vajiram-gs-is-it-worth...

    15 of 38 10-06-14 03:53

  • http://www.vajiramandravi.com/Forms/June2010-New.pdf.

    I think they are making amendments in this due to the

    introduction of CSAT.

    Can anyone please please please recommend me a good

    institute for gs, pub ad and sociology. I am late in reading the

    blog, and have already resigned from my job to join V&R :(

    please suggest...

    JULY 31, 2010 AT 1:09 PM

    ashu said...

    any suggestions abt the institute for csat n gs....do reply

    JULY 31, 2010 AT 10:11 PM

    shrishti said...

    This comment has been removed by the author.SEPTEMBER 5, 2010 AT 9:45 AM

    jan said...

    Very interesting blog.

    I've been looking for web content and forums for information

    on CSE 2011. Was disappointed at not finding an active online

    community of aspirants. This is the first real discussion I have

    seen relating to the UPSC coaching.

    SEPTEMBER 6, 2010 AT 1:09 PM

    sonam11 said...

    hello Mr. Karthiga,

    thanks for telling mischeivious details about the institute.. you

    did a really good job by conveying us the details by this blog,,,

    thanks for helping me and a lot many other aspirants,,,

    Now vajiram and ravi institute is charging net 52000rs for GS

    only,,, for other optionals,a person has to spend another

    33,000 or so Rs....

    I mean,after paying such hefty sum,one will not even get good

    notes,classes etc,,, then why to waste ours or our parent's hard

    earned money..

    thanks for telling the harsh realty

    SEPTEMBER 15, 2010 AT 10:37 AM

    ashu said...

    then where to go huh....we dont have any choice....everyone

    here is criticizing ...why not a single one tell us the way huh...if

    The Mirage of Vajiram and ravi: Vajiram GS: Is it worth http://vajiramandravi.blogspot.in/2007/09/vajiram-gs-is-it-worth...

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  • u gota a problem then tell us the solution n u r not making it

    easy ...u r complicating it for us....

    SEPTEMBER 17, 2010 AT 4:01 AM

    Solo said...

    It's not written in the Constitution that one must take coaching

    to become a civil servant. A natural interest in gaining

    knowledge and capacity for hard work are the main ingredients

    required here. One can make a good preparation strategy after

    cool-headed analysis of past years' question papers and reading

    one or two basic books (Whose names are easily available

    online in the blogs and interviews of successful candidates).

    Shah Faesal (2010 topper) didn't take coaching, nor did Anay

    Dwivedi (5th), or Ghanshyam Thori (25th) (Though they may

    have joined a test series later). These are just a few people I

    know of, there would be many more. All notes and test papers

    are available in the market for those who are serious about

    study.

    For a good list of links to various blogs, see the July 10 post (by

    Tanvi Sundariyal, rank 6) at

    http://thecivilservicesdream.blogspot.com/

    If one does a lot of research to select the coaching centre most

    suited to oneself, coaching might be useful, but even then it's

    not essential. It has a very high cost (in terms of fees,

    exorbitant rent while staying outside, living expenses etc.) The

    main benefit is interaction with other aspirants and sharing of

    knowledge about the exam.

    SEPTEMBER 17, 2010 AT 11:42 PM

    Solo said...

    W.r.t. previous comment, I did not mean that one can preparewith one or two basic books. They are necessary to get familiar

    with the subject, so you can make sense of things when you sit

    down to analyse papers. After such analysis, you'll be able to

    form a decent strategy for your real study, which will of course

    require referring to more sources, making good notes, and

    burning the midnight oil. All this while regularly going back to

    the papers & syllabus to ensure you are studying what is

    actually required.

    SEPTEMBER 18, 2010 AT 2:37 AM

    UDAY said...

    Many Rooms available for rent near the institute for very

    affordable prices.

    Starting at Rs.2000 to Rs 10,000 per month.

    No Commission requd.(Skip property dealers)

    The Mirage of Vajiram and ravi: Vajiram GS: Is it worth http://vajiramandravi.blogspot.in/2007/09/vajiram-gs-is-it-worth...

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  • Contact Owner-

    Uday 9811578948

    OCTOBER 3, 2010 AT 2:17 AM

    amren said...

    Everyones criticized and pin pointed the effort made by Mr

    karthik. You experience the facts only after you realize the

    truth.

    Can anyone give a solution? How to go about it?

    JAI HIND.

    OCTOBER 7, 2010 AT 6:05 AM

    Jai said...

    Vajiram is an useless caoching institute.. Now they are charging

    71000 ..I can see a lot of students joining the institute.. i was

    very disappointed when i saw the prelims question paper and

    comparing it to what vajiram has taught ..My 2nd options was

    Geo from Neetu singh .. so I made sure i just dont listen to

    Manocha.. cause his concepts some times are good and

    Sometimes he is actually wrong .. i found that out when i had

    some doubts and i asked him .. the only good thing abt the

    institute is Economy classes .. and Rest its just a Money making

    Institute .. Vajiram has to improve there standards

    OCTOBER 9, 2010 AT 7:54 AM

    NA said...

    I am a current student of the pre-cum-mains batch at Vajiram

    & Ravi. I think this blog is nothing else but an unsuccessful

    student who could never really understand what IAS and UPSC

    exam are all about and wants to blame someone else for his/her

    failure. Just observe how his/her main disappointment is that

    there were no direct questions that s/he could answer. It is just

    an attempt at mud slinging.

    As far as the "economic corruption" is concerned, any right

    thinking person knows that fee is accepted only in the form of

    Demand Draft and not by cash or cheque. DD is a way to

    prevent corruption and not abet it.The author claims that he

    has paid his educational fee throughout by cash/cheque and

    not by DD. I don't know what kind of institutions s/he has

    studied in because frankly, I've studied in the best in the

    country, and the fee is always paid by DD.Moreover, if the

    author had ever cared to enter a bank and get a DD made, he

    would have known that a very nominal commission of about

    Rs. 200/- is charged for DD of amount around Rs. 50,000/-. I

    don't know about the earlier years but this year they have

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  • issued us a printed receipt which we have been allowed to

    retain even after the issuing the identity cards. The

    infrastructural facilities now are definitely better than every

    other institute.

    The author even goes to the extent of questioning Manocha sir's

    "character". I wonder how s/he comes to know "after a few

    class (sic) what kind of character he is". As for me, I think he is

    the best teacher in Vajiram. Mr. Ravindran teaches polity very

    well and he does not dictate fast. All lies have been posted by

    the author, unless, of course, s/he writes at the speed of a snail!

    The local population may not be the friendliest but it is not the

    refugee population from the North East. I have lived there from

    my childhood and rarely, if ever, have I come across any people

    from North East (this is not to say anything against the people

    from North East. I have been to some NE states, I love the

    people and their culture deeply). The area is dominated by the

    Punjabi community. This statement by the author indicates

    that other assertions might be equally false.

    Ravindran sir is very helpful. Two years back, when I was not

    even a student there, he agreed to meet me and guided me for

    15 mins regarding whether I should opt for civil services or not.

    There are many such examples.

    I think it is either a cheap way for the author to get some cheap

    publicity or his way to feel better by blaming someone else for

    his failure. If it is the latter, I have nothing against the author

    since it is a very normal human tendency to do so.

    But I do agree with you on one thing. That you have "wasted

    thousands of hrs in hopeless classes and millions of Joules of

    energy". Thats because you thought that UPSC exam was some

    kind of a University exam and Vajiram notes a guide book and

    a key to all the answers to the questions in the exam. And your

    hope was never to learn and making it a rich experience rather

    only mugging up the notes and vomiting them out in the exam.

    I know my post will be deleted by you because you are

    obviously not a person who will allow free speech. I can see

    how the posts by 'RamZ'

    have been deleted but I nevertheless wasted my half hour in

    reading your bullshit and writing a comment on it though it did

    not deserve it. I will also be accused ambassador of acting as an

    a of the institute. I intend to do so but not here but rather by

    clearing the exam with flying colours.

    PS: I dare you to put this up and not delete and at least have

    The Mirage of Vajiram and ravi: Vajiram GS: Is it worth http://vajiramandravi.blogspot.in/2007/09/vajiram-gs-is-it-worth...

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  • the guts to allow free speech.

    NA

    NOVEMBER 25, 2010 AT 9:50 AM

    NA said...

    This comment has been removed by the author.NOVEMBER 25, 2010 AT 9:50 AM

    Peeyoosh Gupta said...

    I believe that this coaching institute is VARDAN for engineers.

    Those who give bad comment has not understood mr. ravi.

    NOVEMBER 26, 2010 AT 1:46 AM

    satyendra said...

    Nice effort but not sufficient. This is not only the case with

    Vajiram. I think all the coaching institutes are cheating

    students as they can. So its our duty to alert while joining any

    coaching institute....I advice all students before joining any

    coaching take consultation from your seniors or old students.

    Students should take Mr. Karthiga view''s as his personal. First

    verify them then go ahead......All the Best.

    DECEMBER 4, 2010 AT 4:51 AM

    rash said...

    please everyone whose so ever reading dont waste ur money

    attending classes ...at vaji ram ...well i took csat classes from

    dere ....they particularly have nothing substantial to taech

    ...and it suffocates to be in room filled 300+ students ...!!

    JANUARY 6, 2011 AT 3:28 AM

    UDAY said...

    Rooms for rent

    Rs.2000-5000 per month per room

    Walking distance from Vajiram and Ravi Institute

    Students only, Boys Only

    No Commission

    Contact Owner-9811578948 Uday

    JANUARY 10, 2011 AT 12:21 AM

    SHAILENDRA said...

    good one..........can anyonne clear upsc by reading books and

    preparing their own notes....why the hell you run after coaching

    centres...burn ur money and then blame them if u r not

    successful.........

    The Mirage of Vajiram and ravi: Vajiram GS: Is it worth http://vajiramandravi.blogspot.in/2007/09/vajiram-gs-is-it-worth...

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  • JANUARY 15, 2011 AT 10:41 PM

    SHAILENDRA said...

    fuck u uday .....its not a add sitr

    JANUARY 15, 2011 AT 10:42 PM

    BloodBrothers said...

    All the issues have been discussed so far but no one has stepped

    forward to shed some light on the solution. Solution is what we

    need at the moment. Just for the sake of our common interests,

    i wish to convey that coaching "isn't" required to crack the

    exam. Personally i believe that its only for people who are

    extremely short on time or need some ass-kicking to start

    studying properly. Excluding some gifted candidates who clear

    it in their first attempt, rest of us need at least 2 years of solid &

    focussed preparation to even appear for the exam with winning

    chances(probable analysis). Its not a demotivational statement

    but the words of a friend who is a 2010 IPS(63RR) & currently

    at NPA. He juggled b/w a job as well as studies.

    Conclusion:- If you have abilities then no need for coaching.

    Also please kindly assess your talent and patience before

    appearing for the CS as its not a child's play, be real and

    grounded. Have faith in god.

    APRIL 2, 2011 AT 1:21 PM

    BloodBrothers said...

    All coaching centres in Delhi:

    You son's of a B***H!!!!

    APRIL 10, 2011 AT 9:21 AM

    tyagi said...

    Most of the students go there with a hope that the questions

    they give are 'important' from prelims point of view and the

    questions asked in UPSC are based on what they teach. THIS IS

    TOTALLY FALSE BEYOND ANY DOUBT.

    AS if you are writing a second grade university exam in which

    all the questions would come from guide

    JUNE 27, 2011 AT 8:53 PM

    Dhanraj Gaur said...

    Hi Karthiga,

    Thanks for your feedback!.

    The Mirage of Vajiram and ravi: Vajiram GS: Is it worth http://vajiramandravi.blogspot.in/2007/09/vajiram-gs-is-it-worth...

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  • My friend is willing to join a good IAS coaching institute in

    NCR region. Earlier I was suggesting him to go for Vajiram, but

    it seems I was wrong!

    I would really appreciate if you can suggest us any other good

    coaching in NCR. We are totally lost now!

    My frnd is opting for Geography and Public Ad. Could you

    please suggest a good institute for these subject?

    Thanks,

    Dhanraj Gaur

    JUNE 28, 2011 AT 12:55 PM

    Solo said...

    The main problem with Vajiram is their GS. Not because they

    are worse than others at teaching it (they are perhaps better

    than most), but because of the vastness of the syllabus, the

    sheer size of classes, and the way UPSC makes sure material

    from Vaji is not asked in exams. UPSC designs the papers in

    such a way that the benefits of coaching are minimized. In

    PubAd, Vaji is quite good. Minocha's material had gotten

    outdated, but the new teachers (Rajesh Gupta/Nagasena) are

    pretty decent. Geography is at many places. Neetu Singh

    (Direction Institute) is one option.

    JUNE 29, 2011 AT 4:19 AM

    kiran said...

    Can anybody tell for purchasing good correspondence study

    material for IAS mains GS,Sociology,Public adm. which

    institute is best and wht are the discounts avilable? Is coaching

    material sufficient for preparation?

    JULY 14, 2011 AT 8:27 AM

    dinesh gurjar said...

    im so confused...........i thought that i will join vaji october

    batch..........but after rading these blogs im confused if i should

    join these vaji ram institute or not?

    .....karthiga will u tell us how much effort u gave to ur study

    .......ya aapne apna dimag sirf institute ko dosh dene m hi

    lagaya?

    ...........vajiram or uske jesai dusre institutes jo itnaa paisa letai

    hh coaching k liye .........kisi b ek subject k liye 50000/-rs tak

    ...........akhir ye log asa kya padha detai hh bacho ko jo ye itna

    charge kerte hh n bloody govt..who dont restrict them for

    charging so much fees...kya ye faculty itnee hoshiaar hotii h kya

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  • jo per subject itnaa charge kerte hh .......aaj institutes ne

    "shiksha " ko mehanga dhandaa bana dia hh bhalai hi unhe

    kuch aata jata ho ya n nahii

    in institute k high fees charging per ankush lagana

    chahiye....institute k jo teacher hote h ve sirf cremy layer

    (intelligent) bacho se hi jada matlab rakhte hh ..........aaj k

    teacher chor hh jo apna sammaan apni respect ko bachate hue

    assani se bacho ko luttey hh....karthiga wat u told may b true

    but if we see d acheivments of dis institute ...to tumhari baat

    per yakin nhi kia ja sakta bcos issi institute ne rankers nb

    banaye hh ....sach kya hh ram jane but institute or teacher ko

    bacho ko thagna nahi chahiye

    JULY 17, 2011 AT 9:31 PM

    dinesh gurjar said...

    i dont wana trust any instite....now im thinking for self

    preperation for my IAS....jatin thx for telling true abt vajiram

    ...........lier vajiram....jatin did ur frd took any action against

    these instit ute for fake advertisement regarding 21-4-2010

    advrtisment?

    JULY 17, 2011 AT 9:49 PM

    Rajesh said...

    z

    AUGUST 21, 2011 AT 5:24 AM

    Aastha said...

    Hi karthiga,Ravindran did worst than what he did with you

    guys..I joined vajiram in oct 2008 batch.unfortunately within a

    month,i had to leave the classes b coz i developed a swelling in

    my leg...so i had to rush to CMC VELLORE for having dose of

    radiation and chemotherepy..I requested a lot to him for

    allowing me to join the batch after 6 months in may 2009.that

    man is merciless also,that even after seeing the medical report

    of cancer,he didnt allowed.i donated 72k free of cost.most

    imp,now i am perfectly healthy..as it was diagonised in its

    earliest stage.

    u r doing a noble job by warning students.

    Aastha

    OCTOBER 12, 2011 AT 6:58 AM

    Krishnadas Nair said...

    For current affairs visit,

    http://currentaffairsmanual.blogspot.com/

    OCTOBER 13, 2011 AT 10:36 PM

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  • The Scientific Temper said...

    Oh God !!! You are great!!!

    I just have been at Vaji Ram and Ravi, Old Rajendra Nagar,

    New Delhi on this Saturday for inquiry regarding IAS coaching

    for my daughter who is getting above 85% in psycho in her MA

    from a Central Univ.

    After being informed the fee structure from the office I

    calculated for the total cost that would be needed if she goes to

    Delhi to join this coaching for whole year+PG charges+etc, this

    comes nearly Rs 4,00.000/- from pre to main to interview.

    I have been since then thinking that from where I can arrange

    the above sum, and finally I decided to sell my Maruti wagon R

    VXI to arrange the initial expenses plus books after submitting

    the fees.

    Now, after going through your blogs I am just baffled what to

    do what not to do???

    If God is keeping me away from this extravaganza. He

    definitely will help my child also to get her dreams come true...I

    have firm belief in this BECAUSE IT IS A SHEER CHANCE

    THAT I READ THIS BLOG OTHERWISE I AM NOT A

    REGULAR USER OF ALL THESE MODERN MEANS.

    I am a teacher by choice and do not have black money.

    Therefore it seems me that GOD HAS HIS OWN WAYS OF

    HELPING HIS CHILDREN.

    Thanks Karthik

    Yours

    Dr P N Tripathi

    NOVEMBER 22, 2011 AT 6:35 PM

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    Hardik said...

    hey...you are very valid at many points,i must say,the history

    teacher teaching history goes far too deep in mideival history &

    Manocha sir too have the same problem of getting into depth of

    smthing not really required for gs,mst probably he himself gets

    driven with the flow,othrwise a great teacher he is...but i would

    still say things are not that bad.Now the infrastructure has

    changed a lot,the rooms are well equipped for holding lectures

    & every single activity takes place quite systematically...bt thts

    nt really my point,the gist of my comment is actually you do

    need a coaching institute if you don't have some person to

    guide you all the pros & cons in your family, vajiram having

    loopholes at various areas also scores at many things...& of

    course its quite obvious that within 5-6 months nobody can

    finish off every single thing in the syllabus & if we talk about

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  • prelims,it has & always will be unpredictable ,so thinking that

    you will simply follow watevr is taught at institute,you are only

    having cmpleted a job not even half done...the sole purpose of

    an institute is to lay a foundation for you to build up on that.

    You need to go an extra mile depending not on smbody else,but

    only & only your own consciousness & that's something you strt

    building by going through many previous year papers,giving

    heed to each & every single detail of the syllabus the upsc has

    penned dwn for civil services exams. So count on an institute

    just to lay a good foundation & for the rest of the journey you

    are your own cynosure...

    & i would also like to add one of the major loophole of vajiram,

    GS is still fyn but never ever opt for its CSAT...except the

    english teacher,thers no 1 worth spending your money upon

    Al the very Best to all

    JANUARY 2, 2012 AT 4:10 AM

    Hardik said...

    hey...you are very valid at many points,i must say,the history

    teacher teaching history goes far too deep in mideival history &

    Manocha sir too have the same problem of getting into depth of

    smthing not really required for gs,mst probably he himself gets

    driven with the flow,othrwise a great teacher he is...but i would

    still say things are not that bad.Now the infrastructure has

    changed a lot,the rooms are well equipped for holding lectures

    & every single activity takes place quite systematically...bt thts

    nt really my point,the gist of my comment is actually you do

    need a coaching institute if you don't have some person to

    guide you all the pros & cons in your family, vajiram having

    loopholes at various areas also scores at many things...& of

    course its quite obvious that within 5-6 months nobody can

    finish off every single thing in the syllabus & if we talk about

    prelims,it has & always will be unpredictable ,so thinking that

    you will simply follow watevr is taught at institute,you are only

    having cmpleted a job not even half done...the sole purpose of

    an institute is to lay a foundation for you to build up on that.

    You need to go an extra mile depending not on smbody else,but

    only & only your own consciousness & that's something you strt

    building by going through many previous year papers,giving

    heed to each & every single detail of the syllabus the upsc has

    penned dwn for civil services exams. So count on an institute

    just to lay a good foundation & for the rest of the journey you

    are your own cynosure...

    & i would also like to add one of the major loophole of vajiram,

    GS is still fyn but never ever opt for its CSAT...except the

    english teacher,thers no 1 worth spending your money upon

    The Mirage of Vajiram and ravi: Vajiram GS: Is it worth http://vajiramandravi.blogspot.in/2007/09/vajiram-gs-is-it-worth...

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  • Al the very Best to all

    JANUARY 2, 2012 AT 4:11 AM

    Unknown said...

    Hello

    MARCH 8, 2012 AT 11:56 AM

    Unknown said...

    H

    MARCH 8, 2012 AT 11:58 AM

    myconoclast said...

    Of course he's right fellows. I studied at VnR too and it was

    mostly pointless. For those claiming that we're missing the big

    picture, let this be clear: we enrolled in the coaching institute

    with the specific purpose of cracking the exam. No one wants to

    be spoon fed, of course, but we do want to be put steadily on

    the right course. If you want to increase your knowledge, then

    you could just do a double masters, an m phil or even a phd,

    not join VnR! In fact, anyone seriously contemplating civils has

    enough brains to read the countless books available for the

    exam and grasp most of what is stated. We join a coaching

    institute to save us the time, strain the knowledge. And Vajiram

    fails at that quite miserably. I have nothing against knowing as

    much as I can and constantly striving to increase the corpus of

    my general awareness. But I'd do that when a do not have a

    deadly exam knocking at my door; one that inherently requires

    me to judge useful knowledge from useless (with respect to the

    exam). And I pay the institute almost 10 times the amount of

    money I paid for my graduation degree to help me with this

    cumbersome task. Not to fill my head with all that I could have

    filled it up with anyway. But to streamline it.

    And that is where VnR (and most other coaching institutes)

    fail, especially with regard to prelim preparations.

    MARCH 21, 2012 AT 3:13 PM

    Unknown said...

    @myconoclast what's ur opinion now?? whether to join vajiram

    and ravi or no?? because i've completed my graduation want to

    go der so tell me the fact..no coaching institute are 100%..they

    only guide..efforts should be our's..so tell me.

    APRIL 22, 2012 AT 12:09 PM

    Ankit Pincha said...

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  • AUGUST 4, 2012 AT 3:08 PM

    Solo said...

    There are good individual teachers, but we don't know about

    them coz they aren't famous yet, and once they get famous,

    they don't have time to give individual attention. That has

    happened with Mukul Pathak (Psychology), Mohanty (Pub

    Admin) and many others.

    There are short term courses (crash courses, answer-writing

    sessions, test series) in Delhi, but that depends on the subject

    and the timing. I don't know about places outside Delhi.

    Regarding places to get notes from, in Delhi you have Jawahar

    Book Depot, Prem Photostat, and many places in Rajinder

    Nagar and Mukherjee Nagar. You can search on

    Indianofficer.com for details.

    AUGUST 5, 2012 AT 7:21 AM

    Ankit Pincha said...

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    Ankit Pincha said...

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    Ankit Pincha said...

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    Sandeep Desai said...

    Please discuss the correct approach of classes to be joined or

    notes to be studied for a fresher student.

    AUGUST 7, 2012 AT 2:44 PM

    nutesh said...

    u r biggest dumb man... get a life... teachers at vajiram n ravi r

    good, not the best but still they put all their efforts in making u

    understand the basics coz this coaching is for ppl who knows

    zero or have zero knowledge of upsc while those who know

    what is upsc doesnt even take coachings n crack exams in their

    first attempt... dont know anything about u but m studying in

    vajiram n ravi n appearing for upsc'13 for the first time n i had

    learned a lot and i get good ranks in the test series...

    FEBRUARY 20, 2013 AT 10:26 AM

    nutesh said...

    The Mirage of Vajiram and ravi: Vajiram GS: Is it worth http://vajiramandravi.blogspot.in/2007/09/vajiram-gs-is-it-worth...

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  • a BIG thumbs up man... u r very much right...

    FEBRUARY 20, 2013 AT 10:44 AM

    myconoclast said...

    Unknown said...

    @myconoclast what's ur opinion now?? whether to join vajiram

    and ravi or no?? because i've completed my graduation want to

    go der so tell me the fact..no coaching institute are 100%..they

    only guide..efforts should be our's..so tell me.

    Sorry for the late reply. I would suggest getting your hands on

    the recommended books (a no of booklists are available online

    and you can ask upsc veterans), making your own notes

    (cannot be substituted by someone else's notes, those can only

    be complementary), and finally practice.

    For pre, join test series, or just get the photocopies and take

    mock tests at home. And for mains, get into the habit of writing

    3-5 answers everyday - from 5 markers to 20-30 markers.

    Again, test series will help. They are the only thing worth your

    money. Coaching institutes, unless you really do much better

    sitting in a class with 300 people being rushed through the

    syllabus, waste time and money. Things no serious upsc

    candidate has much of anyway :)

    Hope that helped. All the best!

    MARCH 21, 2013 AT 9:07 AM

    dev s said...

    Dear Author,

    going by ur dates i guess u nd i were in batch at vaji,first of all

    let me request u to remove all those comments who r against u

    nd pro-vajirams. Such fans nd followers of vajirams can open

    up their own blogs,what r they doing here?? I don't understand

    why r some ppl interested in beating the bush nd r failing to see

    the larger picture.I can most certainly put up a winning

    argument against those who r trying not to understand ur

    view-point nd r thus glorifying Vajiram but what the point!! As

    i once read- blinds can't see, those who've deliberately closed

    eyes can't see, nd those who know what they r seeing yet state

    something else r also devoid of vision. Ur opinion matters to u

    the most, believe in urself.

    BTW did u forget the stink from the washrooms that sometimes

    filled the basement hall, or the sheer insult of students at the

    hands of Vajiram teachers? In my gs pcm batch i still

    remember ravindran gave only 18 lectures in the whole 6

    months, what a waste nd after the prelims did u get a copy of

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  • the SOLVED prelims paper from them - they took a whole week

    to give answers to question paper saying our team is preparing

    solutions and even after that only 2/3rd paper was answered

    out of which 17 answers were wrong. I could say this because

    those questions were common facts as if someone asks who's

    the pm of india. I didn't believe it at first so i took solved

    booklet to the elangovan, he went ahead nd stamped it!!

    WOW!!!! I'm in touch with a present student of theirs nd

    unfortunately the situation is same.

    Good luck to u nd i hope u find peace and success

    Dev

    MARCH 24, 2013 AT 6:00 AM

    Serenity at it's best..! said...

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    Serenity at it's best..! said...

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    Serenity at it's best..! said...

    I do agree..They are professionals not teachers...They suck up

    ur hard earned money.. nd the rest will be sucked by these

    greedy Rajendra Nagar landlords....

    I also got cheated..People who have good financial backing can

    pay even more to these bloody coaching institutes..but Wat

    about people like me who left their job.. came to Delhi in the

    hope of getting something good from this so called Vajiram and

    Ravi...Whatever they had taught 5 yrs back..they are still

    dictating the same notes with no new updation.The only good

    thing which Vajiram is having is the Gem "Mukul

    Pathak"..Actually he is not known by Vaji..this vaji is known

    becz of him for psycho..rest are totally waste..they had already

    taken 60 k for GS but now becz of new mains syllabus they are

    charging 3ok more..Jus imagine 90k total for GS.. a poor man

    can do marriages of his 2 daughters wid the same.

    Mr Ravindram was saying that he is so poor..need some extra

    money for new faculties ;-)

    Nyways..everyone feels the same...Only one month is left for

    prelims nd i know nothing... So If u hv made five yrs plan for

    cracking this exam, lots of energy and a rich father then join

    Vaji even any other coaching institute..becz story is same

    everywhere.

    MARCH 30, 2013 AT 6:35 AM

    Serenity at it's best..! said...

    The Mirage of Vajiram and ravi: Vajiram GS: Is it worth http://vajiramandravi.blogspot.in/2007/09/vajiram-gs-is-it-worth...

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    Serenity at it's best..! said...

    I have no personal problem with Vajiram and Ravi...as i have

    already mentioned that all coaching institutes are same.The

    problem which I've faced in Vajiram is their traditional way of

    teaching esp in GS classes which is the first and foremost

    requirement for cracking prelims..becz undoubtedly

    Pyschology is awesome which is only because of Mukul Pathak

    but it will go in vain if you don't clear prelims..Rest teachers are

    waste becz in spite of having good knowledge, they don't know

    how to transfer it. UPSC is demanding something new from

    their candidates..It is not a university exam..where u vomit it

    out which u've mugged up last night from your class notes.I am

    hoping may be this year they serve something good to their

    students as UPSC syllabus got changed..It is entirely my

    personal opinion.When I had come to Delhi,I had no prior

    guidance so I had no choice before me except joining an

    institute.. So don't blindly follow my opinion.Take feedback

    from people who got selected and make an informed choice.

    APRIL 10, 2013 AT 3:24 PM

    Sangharsh Gedam said...

    I am an Engineering Graduate.Want to go for IAS 2014. So i

    researched abt best coaching institutes and VAJIRAM and

    RAVI and RAU's IAS circle popped up.... After reading this blog

    i'm damn confused.And by the way now fee for

    GS(prelim+mains)+optional subject+CSAT=1,50,000. I will

    appreciate it if some one will guide me.HELP fellow IAS

    aspirants.

    APRIL 26, 2013 AT 11:28 PM

    Ravi Kiran said...

    Unbelievable!!!

    This was written in 2007 and people are still following it.

    MAY 20, 2013 AT 12:49 PM

    Prashant said...

    @ Karthiga and all..

    Hi friends,

    I read all the comments...from those posted in 2007 till date. I

    really appreciate the efforts of the author to share the

    experiences.

    I am also a civil service aspirant. Two of my friends are already

    at VR now.They said its a good class and worth the money we

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  • pay for the class. so I am also getting inclined to join the

    october batch 2013. I appeared for the Pre this time and I think

    I'll be through.Mains this year is from 1st Dec. I have 6 months.

    I am in dilemma now.I have some options.

    1)I should focus for 2014 exam straightaway and join the V&R

    classes for 2014 exam in October.(But now after reading this, I

    am really confused)

    2)I should not join any class and study on my own.(But doubt

    here is , is it possible to clear mains without any coaching in 6

    months? what should be done? Please advise.)

    Just wanted your opinions as I am planning to focus on MAINS

    2013. is VR really worth for MAINS classes atleast? Is it

    practically possible to clear MAINS in 6 months with no

    coaching available..? If not, Is there any other class you wanna

    suggest for MAINS?

    Before taking any decision,I think its always better to take

    advice from experienced people.Kindly reply when you read

    this post and address the queries.All suggestions will be

    appreciated.

    JUNE 8, 2013 AT 10:59 AM

    Mohan Pandey said...

    I am in same boat as you Prashant.. Hopeful of clearing

    prelims... unable to decide if vajiram is good enough... for

    mains... (as mains has changed..!)

    we can meet and talk or call me on my phone.. my

    phone...9971707455

    JUNE 8, 2013 AT 11:23 AM

    Solo said...

    (part 1 of 2)

    If you have no general knowledge, then Vajiram might help a

    bit. If you have decent GK and have a good reading habit since

    childhood (including a newspaper), GS coaching isn't very

    necessary, especially since you can get notes and specialized

    books (e.g. Current Affairs compilations) in the market.

    The current Mains situation is similar to the change in pattern

    that happened in Prelims two years ago. Coaching centres

    (including Vajiram) were teaching very high level stuff then,

    even tougher than CAT, and then CSAT actually ended up being

    much, much easier. Those who had paid 50,000+ rupees to

    join Vajiram, not to mention the rent and living costs, did not

    get good return on their money. It is always a gamble with

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  • UPSC. It has been said that they ensure things from Vajiram

    coaching material are not set in the paper, and I suspect that to

    be true. You get only few questions in Prelims GS that can be

    found in Vajiram material. One does not need to pay 70

    thousand for that. If you read a competition magazine

    regularly, you'll get those anyway.

    If you have no knowledge of GS, then Vajiram is good to build a

    base, but only a base. You have to apply your mind after that,

    read the Hindu everyday, make and revise notes. The main

    benefit of staying in a coaching cluster like Rajinder Nagar or

    Mukherjee Nagar is that you meet like-minded people and

    build a network that helps a lot in future preparation and

    motivation. You get practical tips on how to approach

    preparation. The coaching itself is just a small part of the

    picture. Most of the time in coaching is anyway spent taking

    down dictated notes blindly.

    JUNE 8, 2013 AT 12:19 PM

    Solo said...

    This comment has been removed by the author.JUNE 8, 2013 AT 12:20 PM

    Solo said...

    (Part 2 of 2)

    This is my fourth attempt and I have cleared prelims every

    time, in both the old and new patterns (should do this time as

    well, unless some clerical mistake or shit happens). I have not

    taken any GS coaching till now. I did study Psychology from

    Mr. Mukul Pathak at Vajiram, and am grateful for the

    experience. What you need to clear civil services is an

    understanding of the exam, making a good plan, and working

    very, very hard at executing it. Coaching actually gives you

    none of these. They are still teaching stuff they did ten years

    ago even though the exam has completely changed. Some of it

    is relevant, most of it is not. They ask you to memorize

    countries and capitals from yearbooks, or ask you to read all of

    ancient History just because some temple's location was asked

    in Prelims. This is just an attempt at transferring their

    responsibility on the student instead of reducing the load. So

    they can say if you don't succeed, "Look, we told you to read

    and memorize these 58 books. If you couldn't, it's your fault." A

    good coach selects the right stuff and asks you to focus on that,

    and shares the blame if you fail. If a temple's location is asked,

    it's almost certainly because it has been made a World Heritage

    Site or has been in the news for some reason. Country/capital

    kind of questions are never asked, and even if they are, it would

    only be because some summit or other important event

    happened there. Most teachers don't tell you this because then

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  • their responsibility increases, to stay updated, to give only

    relevant information, to be a fellow traveler in your quest.

    Small teachers are usually better at this than corporatized

    coaching centres.

    I have not succeeded till now simply because I haven't made

    intelligent plans and haven't worked at implementing them

    hard enough. This is true of most aspirants who have a basic

    level of intellectual capacity and knowledge. Coaching centres

    can only help you with the initial 10-15% of the way. You have

    to walk the rest on your own, and it's a long road. Friends help,

    but only upto a point. You cannot actually get a real idea of

    Mains till you write it. It requires a humongous level of

    information pre-organized in your head, ready to be written on

    paper at breakneck speed. Only intelligent preparation and lots

    of practice can get you there, or at least close to it. If you do

    take coaching, treat is as an aid to your 'real' preparation, not

    as the primary thing. Reject material/notes that seem

    nonsensical or irrelevant, and prepare that part on your own if

    you have time. Apply your mind, don't blindly follow the crowd.

    Most of the crowd won't get selected. But dont be lazy or afraid

    to come and live in a coaching cluster for a few months. Taking

    coaching itself is not mandatory. Just hang out at the book and

    photocopy shops, tea shops, join a test series just to get to know

    people, with whom you can have fruitful discussions. I know

    people who have done that and continue to maintain links over

    phone after returning to their native place. It helps. If you

    cannot do that, try online forums like IndianOfficer.com or

    ForumIAS.com . And again, be aware of how much time you

    have and you much material you can handle. Every guy would

    tell you five new books. Reading two books three times each is

    much better than reading six books once for mains-oriented

    preparation.

    Most of you are not going to succeed, thats the statistical truth.

    So give your best, enjoy the journey and come out wiser from it.

    JUNE 8, 2013 AT 12:22 PM

    payal said...

    hi

    can anyone plz suggest gud teacher for geography optional in

    delhi...i m confused between shabbir and alok ranjan

    JUNE 17, 2013 AT 12:10 AM

    TYCOON said...

    @payal...geography is best at ALS with Shashank Atom and

    Jojo Mathews as it's renowned teachers. You can surely join

    them, or u may join K.siddhartha ensemble.

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  • JULY 4, 2013 AT 3:23 AM

    K C Sandeep said...

    i'm planning to join this vajiram and ravi center can i get any

    one contact number who is studying there now to know and

    esquire about the center info either to take coaching there r

    not...........sandeep

    JULY 26, 2013 AT 8:03 AM

    Mohan Pandey said...

    How about ALS?

    i am planning to join als now after reading all this.. please

    comment.. giving its strength and weaknessness... honest

    feedback please.......

    AUGUST 5, 2013 AT 12:50 PM

    Abhinand said...

    Hi All,

    please let me know the importance of the Vajiram notes. is it

    worth to buy for beginners.

    AUGUST 6, 2013 AT 5:49 AM

    Ashok Suthar said...

    Hi, I wish to take up coaching for prelims cum mains for 2014.

    Earlier i had zeroed in on vajiram, but after hearing lot of

    mixed reviews, i want to reconsider my decision, now i am

    inclined towards SriRam's IAS and ALS....

    Could some1 plz help me in choosing the best institute among

    the three?

    Thanks in advance :)

    AUGUST 7, 2013 AT 4:10 AM

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    gagan gupta said...

    I have completed my 12th this year and i am doing b.a just

    because i only want to become an IPS officer. Its my only

    dream or lifetime aim.

    But the problem arises with G.S Material and my optional

    (Geography)

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  • Coz i dont know from where to get it started

    I am thinking to have vajiram's full pre & mains G.S and

    Geography notes

    Or should i start fresh from other books (not any institute

    material) , if yes then how ??

    Pls suggest me if vajiram's notes are good for perp. Cz i dont

    want to get in any coaching trouble , i want to give my best in

    upcoming 3 yrs

    so pls show me the right way for my prep.

    It will be of great help.

    Thank you.

    SEPTEMBER 6, 2013 AT 5:19 PM

    gagan gupta said...

    Hi payal

    I wondor u r in delhi and found ur teacher too

    and hope u r doing gud with ur prep

    But i also need ur help

    Pls go through my comment below and help me if u can

    Cz m also planning to come delhi for studies

    SEPTEMBER 6, 2013 AT 5:30 PM

    gagan gupta said...

    Can u tell me some books on G.S & geography which covers the

    whole upsc syllabus and can ensure my mains selection

    I know the rest depends on my study

    SEPTEMBER 7, 2013 AT 4:43 AM

    P.A said...

    vajiram or rau plz suggest

    SEPTEMBER 15, 2013 AT 12:30 PM

    ayus kumar said...

    hello... i had joined vajiram and ravi for public

    administration..and c.sat...big fee was paid and i got nothing..i

    couldnt clear basics and was not able to write answers.. atlast

    oneday some one suggested the name of k.shandilya who was

    here to deliver lectures in a management institute..for personal

    guidance..i dont know that he is from which coaching at

    delhi...he gave me ten days classes for a fee higher than bajiram

    because i needed it..however his guidance proved boon for

    me...i hv no complain about vajiram and ravi..but the work is

    not so big as name is... i feel the coaching is professional and

    have little to do with candidates actul concerns.. rahul

    chandigarh

    OCTOBER 9, 2013 AT 12:36 AM

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  • Simlee said...

    Could someone be kind enough to suggest a good institute for

    ECONOMICS (Mains) in Delhi?

    NOVEMBER 13, 2013 AT 8:01 PM

    Simlee said...

    Could someone be kind enough to suggest a good institute for

    ECONOMICS (Mains) in Delhi?

    NOVEMBER 13, 2013 AT 8:02 PM

    Latha Shree said...

    Latha here ,

    Im a an IAS aspirant and Im planning to join Vajiram and Ravi

    in May 2014. But after going through this article Im getting

    confused . Can anybody please suggest me a good coaching

    centre ? Or , can v crack the exam only with the help of postal

    coaching from Vajiram and Ravi ?

    Regards,

    Latha

    NOVEMBER 24, 2013 AT 3:50 AM

    ratna mishra said...

    hi all,

    I want to become n ips.....institutes or fee structure search krte

    hue yha aa gayi.well main middle clss family se hoon to itna fee

    dena possible nhi h.jitne v institutes h sare paisa khane wale

    h.maine phle v diploma kiya h 3 saal ka 2.5 lakh m.guys aap

    soch skte ho middle class family 2.5 lakh.....jb maine 2nd sem

    m classes chorne k baat k to unhone mba kr diya....tb tk mai 1

    lakh pay kr chuki thi..unhone bola k jana chahte ho to jao pr na

    fee wapas hogi na 1sem ka certificate milega.kch na milega ye

    soch k maine jaise taise kr k course complete kiya.or job k

    naam pe main pichle 1.5 yr se sirf interviews diye h.ye institutes

    student k lyf barbaad krte h..let me tell u one thing sare

    institute phle missguide krenge juthe wade krenge politician k

    trah,us k baad agr aap owner ya director se baat krna chaho

    baat nhi krne denge.poor students kha jayenge.ek or baat is

    blog k Author pe kai logo ne sawal uthaye h k unhone self study

    nhi k hogi apni nakamyabi thopa h vajiram&ravi pe..jo aisa

    bolte h un k liye mera jwab h k guru wo hota h jo pathar ko hira

    bna de.heere ko heera sb bna lete h.or jo sch me padhana

    chahte h un k liye fees itna mayne nhi rakhta..koi mujhe

    btayega kitne institue h delhi m jinhone apne 1% students ko

    free padhaya yha paisa kamane k liye intitute kholte h.or aisa

    nhi h k paise na le pr limit m le.ye log hamara paisa or samay

    dono barbaad krte h.rhi baat ips k to sach ye h k self study bettr

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  • h jo paise hm inhe denge un paiso se achi books khrid skte

    h,bado k salah le skte h.mai v ips bnna chahti hu pr itna fee nhi

    h mere pass.so ek idea h jin logo ko v taiyari krni h or itne paise

    nhi h k fee pay kr sake wey log kyn nhi sath mil k padhte h.sb k

    ek speciality hoti h.sb ek dusre us subject me

    padhayenge.atleast try to kr skte h.or rivelry k baat hi nhi honi

    chaiye kyn k saal kam logo ko hi leti h.kyn bht un k criteria m

    aateii hi nhi h.so any one intrested in group study reply me

    NOVEMBER 28, 2013 AT 11:25 PM

    Aaruney Rahul said...

    Dear Ratna mishra,

    mai bhi UPSC aspirant hoon, but mai koi coaching join nahi

    karna chahta. Not cos i dont have money isliye kyoki mai in

    murgo ko aur khilana nahi chahta.I am studying on my own

    searching material on internet, cos now-a-days UPSC asks for

    latest knoweledge which can be obtained from net alone. If u

    wan to join me , contact me on [email protected]

    We will share study materials, others are also welcome to join.

    DECEMBER 23, 2013 AT 9:14 PM

    Aaruney Rahul said...

    And one more thing, Mai chennai se hu, yaha vajiram & ravi ka

    material book shop me milta hai. When i saw it , was like very

    bulky. It is easy to include a book on each topic and say it is full

    material, even I can do that. I can provide one lorry full of

    material on UPSC that doesnt mean I am good at preparing

    material.

    DECEMBER 23, 2013 AT 9:20 PM

    Aaruney Rahul said...

    Dear Ratna mishra,

    mai bhi UPSC aspirant hoon, but mai koi coaching join nahi

    karna chahta. Not cos i dont have money isliye kyoki mai in

    murgo ko aur khilana nahi chahta.I am studying on my own

    searching material on internet, cos now-a-days UPSC asks for

    latest knoweledge which can be obtained from net alone. If u

    wan to join me , contact me on [email protected]

    We will share study materials, others are also welcome to join.

    DECEMBER 23, 2013 AT 9:26 PM

    namita goyal said...

    hello ratna mishra and rahul

    even m doing self study at home for ias 2014 . i am planning to

    join vajiram this year but nw after reading the reviews m really

    confused... pls tell me abt urself which subjects are u

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    specialised in and how can v study together

    JANUARY 30, 2014 AT 8:09 PM

    Ayush Chaturvedi said...

    me too want to join you all...i am also the IAS aspirant.MY

    EMAIL ID IS [email protected]

    FEBRUARY 8, 2014 AT 9:41 AM

    Anuj Bagraniya said...

    Holla Mates !!

    I was plannin to join V&R in june dis year, for the year long

    course of pre-cum-mains, but after going thru all these

    perceptions and reviews of urs, am in a state of complete

    dillema :/

    Can anybody tell me if not V&R, den wat are other options one

    can have when it comes to coaching institutes in Delhi ?

    Please feel free to reply or shoot a mail ;)

    [email protected]

    MARCH 1, 2014 AT 3:26 PM

    Pulkit Sharma said...

    I was also planning to join Vajiram for the upcoming July 2014

    batch but now I have a big question mark on my face whether

    to join this institute or not.

    If any experienced Senior having any idea about which

    coaching to join as this will be my first attempt and I don't want

    to waste it just like that.

    JUNE 6, 2014 AT 12:14 AM

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