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The Holy Grail of PhysicsJuly 13, 2010

Host: Kim Greenhouse (KG)

Guest: Dan Winter (DW)

(KG): Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to It's Rainmaking Time!. This is KimGreenhouse. It is my pleasure to invite Dan Winter as our guest today, to discussthe Holy Grail of Physics. Dan Winter is an electrical engineer and a wonderful

teacher, that has a way of explaining very exciting new knowledge in the area ofbuilding fractal electric fields, which support the building of self-organizingliving spaces, that have a life-giving charge. He introduces us to understandingwhat fractals are, how they work, what magnetic maps tell us about war andpeace. He talks about living architecture. Hes very interesting to listen to. Itsso exciting. Please welcome Dan Winter to It's Rainmaking Time!. Good day.

(DW): Hi, Kim. I appreciate your dedication.

(KG): I am so impressed with your work. Theres so much to say. But lets get

to the heart of what common people, like myself, can understand. What is afractal? And why is everything youre doing based on fractals?

(DW): It is true. Well fractality is best imagined with a rose. A rose, an onion, afern or a pinecone are pretty good examples of fractals, because the inside is likethe outside. And mathematics is right to be excited about it, because its infinitecompression. You know, what you can compress infinitely, you can also unpackinfinitely, which is very spiritual. The problem the reason sort of Einsteinscrewed up, and physicists, too, is they dont understand what a fractal electricfield is. And actually, the most important fractal is a fractal electric field. Andsadly, physics hasnt even thought about that question yet, which is really

stupid. And the best way to start thinking about that question is to study theliterature. When you take seeds and you put them in Stonehenge, or a stonecircle, you see a dramatic increase in germination and growth. And thats anexample of a fractal electric field. And so making that electric field, that causesgrowth, thats what Im doing.

(KG): Couldnt we also say, based on that translation, that a fractal field is anatural organizing biologic field?


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(DW): Yes. In the sense that every living thing has an electric field. Its calledthe plasma, or its aura, like yours measurable to GDV, for example. And thatthe only thing that holds that together is its fractality.

(KG): Youre really an expert in plasma science, or what we would say is

implosion compression. Is that correct to say?

(DW): Actually, I need to be correct here. I am not a physicist, and Im not anexpert in plasma science. I am an electrical engineer. And I might be a good one,of that. But it is true that many physicists have started studying God and angels,because they got interested in plasma. For example, the plasma universe allthose Web sites about the shapes of angels. So once you begin starting to thinkabout living things as an electric cloud of charge, called plasma you know,thats why youre alive then you need to begin to thinking about what holdsthat together. But of course, in order to know what holds has to hold youraura together, youd also need to know why an object falls to the ground. Andthe reason Einstein didnt figure that out is because he didnt know what a fractalwas.

(KG): Talk about Einstein.

(DW): Well I presented at the First International Physics of well, UnifiedPhysics Symposium, in Budapest weve had two and I presented andNassim was there, and Elizabeth Rauscher that golden ratio fractality is thecause of gravity. And since then, abundant more proof has come out to showthat Im correct.

(KG): I want you to go back, for just a moment, and talk about the golden mean.Because we dont even know what you just said.

(DW): Well the golden mean ratio is the ratio that allows a series of number, forexample, to add and multiply .6180339 the ratio of the edges or thecircumference of the Great Pyramid or the Parthenon. And the ratio associatedwith every living protein, actually and called phyllotaxis. And so that number .6180339 is a ratio which allows an infinite series of numbers to both add andmultiply. What physics did not understand, sadly and why Einstein wasfrustrated is that that is the solution to infinite wave compression andtherefore, the cause of gravity.

(KG): Does this have anything to do with the Holy Grail of Physics?

(DW): Everything absolutely everything. The Holy Grail means nothingexcept fractality. Thats precisely what it means. So the only scientific meaningfor that word is precisely the way waves make a fractal. If you understand that


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meaning, you can understand every spiritual myth about the Grail, and I can tellyou dozens, and thats what weve been teaching for 10 years here, in SouthFrance.

(KG): Youre in a beautiful location of the world south of France.

(DW): Well yes, thank you.

(KG): Im sure many people want to flock over to the south of France, right now.

(DW): Well not only was Rennes-le-Chateau a pentagram, and San Remy, whereNostradamus saw the future. But the reason its a pentagram is actuallyscientifically interesting. I tried to explain to Henry Lincoln that who did a lotof our gatherings but it basically the pentagram is an electric field geometrythat creates the golden ratio, and therefore, centripedal force. And that createsan electric field which is the plasma geometry of every living protein for areason. Its the electric field

as the joke goes

its the electric field that

prevents aging.

(KG): Is this called electric geometry?

(DW): In other words, geometry is only meaningful if it predicts what an electricfield will do. Its the only reason to study geometry.

(KG): Talk a little bit more about implosion physics.

(DW): Well that pentagram were talking about is called implosive, because asthe waves approach center in the stellated pentacle golden ratio stellateddodecahedron, in 3D which is the geometry of hydrogen, incidentally thatgeometry causes the waves, as they add and multiply recursively, to have thatwave interference become constructive. I mean the thing that Einstein andphysics missed which is childishly stupid is that the golden ratio is thesolution to constructive wave interference. Once you understand that, you cansee why every living protein uses it, and why its the cause of gravity. Becauseas the waves cross and multiply they add and multiply recursively and that.618, 1.0, 1.618, 2.618 cascade ratio allows each wave, as it crosses the next one, toboth add and multiply its wavelength and its wave velocity, and makes thatinterference constructive. And as the wave velocities add and multiply, thatturns compression into acceleration. And that is the reason gravity exists. Andthats the reason for my new equation, which defines hydrogen Planck lengthtimes golden ratio precisely equals the radii of hydrogen. I discovered that.And thats proof that golden ratio is the reason hydrogen makes gravity, and infact, the reason everything has gravity. And so once you understand that creates


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a centripedal force, then you understand the nature of consciousness, gravity,perception, bliss, life.

(KG): And what does that translate to us as? What does that mean to us?

(DW): Yes, lets

wonderful question. How do we translate that into practicalterms? That means that you need to make you should run and not walk, andmake a magnetic map of your bed and your house and your village. And if itdoes not look like a rose, its going to be fatal. Thats what it means. Whereas if,like the City of Prague, your magnetic map does look like a rose, it means youmay survive, and you may actually become immortal. Thats what it means.

(KG): Thats profound. Thats really profound. Thats beyond feng shui, isntit?

(DW): Well its the only [CROSSTALK]

(KG): In effect.

(DW): for feng shui, actually.

(KG): Pardon me?

(DW): Feng shui is only an introduction to the concept of how to the geometryto build a living plasma field. And Ive been teaching that for 30 years.

(KG): Did you build your own center? Or are you going to build your owncenter, or compound, so to speak?

(DW): Ive been involved in creating lots of communities [INAUDIBLE0:08:32.1]. Its been colorful, but I dont think we should go there.

(KG): Thats OK. [LAUGHTER] Youre a very controversial man. I wonder ifits because youre treading on so many different things that are out there, andbringing them together as a synthesizer, right?

(DW): Double Scorpios dont apologize for stings they enjoy it. [LAUGHTER]No, its just that if you take that golden spiral and you wrap it around a donut

and I was the first to do the equation to do that then you map the origin of allelectric fields. And its the shadows of that spiral which are called Hebrewletters. And of course, the rabbis got a little insulted. But we dont need to dothat story now.

(KG): No worries.


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(DW): But what is interesting is the physics of the origin of symbol is simplyhow charge is embedded. Thats useful information.

(KG): Explain that to us.

(DW): Well in other words, the angle at which DNA can swallow an electricfield, called the Hebrew alphabet its the symmetry of donuts in a tetrahedron is the only way charge is going to be absorbed into biology, and the only originof all memory. So the index to the symmetry of all memory is the angle at whichDNA absorbs donuts. And thats the shadows of a donut and a tetrahedron,which is Hebrew. And I wrote the equations to prove that. And of course, thatgot controversial. Thats predictable. The animations are atgoldenmean.info/dnaring. And then, we derive from that Sanskrit and the Arabic.

(KG): I notice that you had written quite a bit about the concern you had forgenetically-modified foods impacting our DNA, and how critical that is. And Idlike you to talk about that.

(DW): Sure. Id be happy to. Yes. Well briefly, now that we understand thatfractality is the only source of organization, because its the only source of allcentripedal forces gravity, consciousness, life, perception, that kind of thing then you can understand that in genetic terms, that fractality is the same thing asgenetic diversity. So example if a doctor is measuring whether you have animmune system, he measures the fractality of your heart harmonics. If theyreinclusive, harmonically, then you have an immune system. Whereas if theresonly one or two harmonics in your heart, then he says well youd better write

your will. So the same is true of DNA, in general. In fact, you can predict theviability of every living thing an atom, a baby or a Galaxy by simply checkingfor that fractality, and its called harmonic inclusiveness, in medical study ofheart rate variability. So if you apply that to DNA, you arrive at what we call theMonsanto Mistake that genetic diversity defines the viability of all DNA.Another way of looking at that is the I think it was the Seneca Indian theTwyla Nitsch planted an heirloom seed garden at my farm in western New York.And you would eat those veggies it was like seven different colors of potatoesand tomatoes theyre all indigenous [INAUDIBLE 0:11:38.0] extreme geneticdiversity. And all my friends said we dont need our LSD anymore. You eatthose veggies. So the reason that DNA made such great lucid dreams wasbecause it was extremely smart. And the reason it was extremely smart wasbecause of extreme genetic diversity. Like the Hopi Blue Corn that onlygerminated if you sang the right song to it. And then you grind it up and youcall the wind. I was there. You could call the wind with that cornmeal, fromGrandfather Dan. And we understand precisely the physics. Its a goodintroduction to rainmaking, by the way.


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(KG): Talk about that.

(DW): Well the angle of the conic capacitor Trevor Constable used in the film,Weather Engineering On the High Seas, is a 60-degree cone. Its measurably themost effective one for causing a cloud to form so sort of the physics of Christos

why waves crystallize, how they learn to share. Essentially what teaches water

vapor to become a water droplet, the Christ principle, is precisely the symmetrywhich makes that electric field centripedal. So you know, every happy child,standing barefoot in good mud, can put a hole in a cloud with their thoughts.And if you understand the physics, the reason is because the plasma field, youcall your consciousness, that Bill Tiller measures focused attention compresses electric field, and Uri Geller measured focused attention reducesradioactivity, measurably So the plasma field you call your attention is acentripedal electric field. Once you understand that, then you see why a child isputting a hole in a cloud. So the physics of rainmaking is basically a columnateelectric field to make them centripedal. And thats really whats behind orgone.Orgone is a misnomer for a phase conjugate dielectric, which is a bioactiveelectric field. Its literally a life giving electric field fractalfield.com.

(KG): Wow. I did interview Trevor a few years ago, and hes extraordinary.

(DW): They really believe in Wilhelm Reich, and Wilhelm Reich was an absolutehero. But sadly, like James DeMeo, whos a wonderful guy wonderful science I love him, I really do. But theyre stubborn. They think the orgone has tomean something, that physics cant talk about. And that is stupid. Actuallyorgone is a misnomer for a phase conjugate dielectric field, and physics knows

what that is

at least one in a million physicists do

and that electric field cancause a seed to grow. And I know how to make it. You can see the pictures fractalfield.com/pyaphi P-y-r-a-p-h-i, and youll see the five-sided gold pyramid,called the phase conjugate dielectric fractal field 50% increase in fermentationrate in that electric field. It doesnt require any input power. Its a capacitor thatmakes life.

(KG): Wouldnt it be incredible to have this all over the world? At like all thefarms, agriculture for everything.

(DW): You know in the book, Seeds of Knowledge, after they measured areplicable scientific experiment, after they measured

you take your seeds to

Stonehenge, or a stone circle, and you get this huge increase in growth. Theysaid oh, everybodys now got to go find a sacred space to take their seeds there.And that is stupid. No, everybody needs to know how to build that electric field.And thats why Im here. Thats why Im talking to you today.


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(KG): I want to go back to how we build that electric field. But can we talkabout harmonic inclusiveness? And I also want to talk about heart coherence,because I think its central to everything youre talking about, as well.

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(DW): Well Im credited in the literature for inventing the word heartcoherence. And I taught the HeartMath Institute, but they screwed it up. Butbasically, heart coherence, I measured with a cepstrum a second order powerspectra. And so I invented the term heart coherence, I invented how tomeasure it. And that is my Heart Tuner, which is now stolen byheartcoherence.com, and I will sue them. And the HeartMath Institute also stolemy ideas of how to spectrum analyze EKG, but thats OK. Thats childish. Its allchildishness. The point is that the perfection of coherence is fractal. And onceyou understand what that is, then you can actually apply that to every livingthing.

(KG): Can we just backtrack one second? Because you really are in this upperechelon of understanding with this, and I want to bring you down, just a littlebit, so we create a frame of reference. Go back and translate coherence for us,and then go back and talk about heart coherence.

(DW): Coherence is the difference between a flashlight and a laser. Its calledinternal phase coherence. So when you say, I love you, to someone, if youretelling the truth, your heart coherence goes up dramatically. Your heart becomesa laser. Im the guy who invented how to measure that. Its called the Heart

Tuner, and I invented that. And I tried to teach old Rollin McCraty and thepeople at HeartMath. Thats a long story. But anyway, that increase in phasecoherence internal phase coherence is whats called heart coherence, which isbasically the difference between a flashlight and a laser. Thats why a laser goesso far, and why your heart goes so far, when you feel love, actually. Which iswhy you can use it to measure kinesiology. Its literally a lie detector. So whatyouve been calling pure intention is actually a shareable wave, called coherence.

(KG): Wow. Did you make an instrument, to measure heart coherence?

(DW): Heart Tuner, yes. Heart Tuner.

(KG): Can we buy it?

(DW): Yes, absolutely. Itsgoldenmean.info/hearttunerspecial/.

(KG): It sounds like it would be interesting. Will we know how to use it? Isthere instructions, or its just an obvious?


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(DW): Its used to teach tantra, its used to teach empathy. We can measure theprocess of empathy, because we can measure when two hearts phase lock. Andthats how charge transfers between bodies. It kind of defines tantra. So thatability to synchronize and become phase coherent, is in a way, it definespeacemaking, and its the beginning of understanding the process of how charge

is transferred between bodies. So for example, the leading bank in Australia

ANB Bank is using that system to teach their bank managers to feel for theirclients.

(KG): What is the theory of everything, and why is it relevant and part of yourwork? Or is it?

(DW): Oh, of course its relevant. The Unified Field is another name for charge.The vacuum is a compressible medium called ether. And when its whentheres centripedal versus centrifugal which is to say converging versusdiverging, compression versus refraction, thats called charge in the vacuum.And when that charge rotates, you measure that inertia

its called mass. And

you measure the period of that rotation; its called time. Thats the Unified Field.Thats what it is. Thats what youre made of a wave of that. And the problemI solved was that then if you understand fractality as the cause of gravity, youunderstand how charge makes gravity. The simplest way to explain that is thatnot only did I prove that the inside to the outside of hydrogen is golden ratio, butif you look at it carefully, you see that the nucleus of the atom is always fractal tothe electrons. Thats the key that Einstein missed. So the reason that atoms havegravity is because their inside is geometrically identical to their outside. Andthat self-similarity is idealized by golden ratio, and thats the reason gravity

exists. And thats called the Unified Field. It was the dream of Einstein andChrist.

(KG): Within the Unified Field, why do you think it is that fractals attract orrepel each other?

(DW): The only source of any attractive force centripedal force is fractality,because its the only angle at which waves can approach each other, such thatwhen they add and multiply recursively, their wavelength and wave velocities that that wave interference is constructive. Because golden ratio solvesconstructive wave interference, the adding and multiplying of the phasevelocities produces acceleration from compression. And that produces a forcewhich pushes charge through the speed of light, at the center of every atom,which is the reason gravity exists. And that centripedal force charge attraction is gravity. Its also the reason consciousness exists. Thats the reason why, ifyou measure brainwaves, you can measure enlightenment or bliss or ecstasy, bychecking for golden ratio in brainwaves. Because when you get fractal, you


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basically begin to attract charge. And thats called enlightenment. Its verysimple.

(KG): Isnt there something about fractals that has to do with happiness, thatsspecifically something youve written about?

(DW): Everything. It has everything to do with happiness. Because its the onlyway any wave system ever self organized, and became able to attract its owncharge. Now a simpler way to say that is until you have your own source ofbliss, you are, by definition, a parasite.

(KG): Thats strong. But thats interesting. Talk more about that. Thatsprofound.

(DW): Once you learn how to attract charge, called bliss, then you have yourown source of charge. And thats the first time, electrically, when you are not aparasite.

(KG): And define a parasite for us.

(DW): Something that doesnt have its own source of charge a mushroom, forexample.

(KG): Thats just so profound, that Im just [LAUGHTER].

(DW): And once you know how to measure bliss and teach it by measurement,

then you can understand the reason for government. The very name politicsmeans body polis which means charge projected. So the definition of politicsis, in that sense, the ability to teach bliss. You know, I got a standing ovationrecently, in Italy of all places when I said look, the definition of culture is notyour coffee and your cigarettes and your wine. No. The definition of culture iswhether you know how to teach your children to have a bliss experience.Standing ovation. They got it, immediately.

(KG): You work with children a lot, dont you? Thats the basis of a lot of whatyoure doing, right? Is your work with children?

(DW): Yeah.

(KG): Talk about it.

(DW): We taught 5,000 kids, in 40 degrees Centigrade in Australia, at a DUFFARave Concert, about the definition of bliss, and they got it. You dont need


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drugs. You need the hygiene to have a bliss experience. At that point, you haveaccess to all biological information. Its the final form of education.

(KG): It sounds like its the ground by which education occurs.

(DW): Absolutely. So that was the subject of the fourth book. Its in fivelanguages now. Its called The Implosion Secret Science of Ecstasy and Mortality,and you can download it atgoldenmean.info/consciouskids/ its a PDF. Andbasically, we start by explaining to teenagers that they were correct to be willingto risk their lives in order to have a bliss experience. Because its going todetermine the survival of your immune system, and also whether you takememory through death.

(KG): You said a lot of things in a couple of sentences. Talk about that.

(DW): Well its just that once you learn to attract charge, in a way called humanbliss, then your plasma begins to grow. And thats what determines your abilityto lucid dream and therefore, take memory through death the only definition ofimmortality. Basically, phase coherence in the plasma, you take with you whenyou die. Its why, when you die, you see a certain series of geometries. Becauseyour plasma is learning compression, and therefore, distribution.

(KG): Ive never heard it put that way, ever ever.

(DW): We electrical engineers describe successful death every day. Ive beenteaching it for years goldenmean.info/immortality/. You can see the sequence of

geometries people see when they die. Theyre called the Kluver Form Constants.And they are the braid sequence of DNA for a very simple reason because yourplasma knows what it takes to achieve the compression to make chargedistributable. Its why the Hopis objected, when the government put metalsewage pipes on the sacred Old Oraibi Plateau, because your ancestors live in afractal field of circulating charge in the land. Its all measurable.

(KG): Thats profound. That is profound. I also noticed that you talked aboutmetals gold and platinum and the charge that they have. Youve also talkedabout fabrics which I thought was interesting and happy DNA in fabrics.Talk a little bit about that.

(DW): We invented the curriculum called Biologic Architecture, which we teachin many countries goldenmean.info/architecture/.. Very simply, the electric fieldthat allows your plasma to be distributed is the only definition of architects. Andso an architect builds a building, and you measure the electric field in the center,called sacred space and we have three different technologies for measuring it which will predict whether that building would cause a seed to germinate and a


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human to have bliss. And thats how you determine if your architect gets apaycheck if they know how to build a living capacitor. And metal, steel andaluminum buildings are poison. Theyre harmonically exclusive, and they killgerminating seeds and your children. So biology departments at universities,in metal buildings, are a definition of stupidity.

(KG): Almost all of the buildings most of us are in are what youre describing asbeing deadly.

(DW): Thats right. And the children are losing their souls because of thatstupidity. Because in that electric field, biologic plasma cannot breathe. Everyyogi who lived to be hundreds of years old always did it in a cave. Not becauseit cant be done in a building, because nobody is smart enough to build the rightkind of building. Callahan discovered this because he was in Wales he was aradio operator in the war. And in this one town on the coast, everybody lived tobe 110 years old. And youd go in to their houses, and your hair would stand up.They were fabulous capacitors. It was hemp, or straw fibers, and the sea spraytrace mineral would then be baked in the Sun. This was a living capacitor. Andwe know how to measure that electric field, and how to make it. Karotkov, atGDV, discovered that because he tracked down the Kogi, where they went tomake phone calls to their ancestors, and measured the fractality in air. Andthats how you measure sacred space.

(KG): That is totally amazing, and mind blowing, and groundbreaking.

(DW): Its also simple.

(KG): Is it expensive?

(DW): No, its cheap.

(KG): Give us some examples. Bring us into the vision of it, the articulation of it.

(DW): It means when youre designing your house, you make a magnetic mapand you find the center of the fractal. And then you use materials that are calledphase conjugate dielectric or fractal, which is sort of a synonym for organic. Butnow we know what organic means finally. We also know what peacemaking

means

finally

which is how to make an electric field that self organizes. Soyou rammed Earth, straw the things that allow the electric field to breathecharge, and then you make a sweet spot the sacred space in the center. Youshould watch the film Fractality in African Architecture, by Ron Eglash. You cansee it atgoldenmean.info/architecture/. And when you apply that to physics, youcan invent architecture.


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(KG): How many architects are coming to you now? Are some architectswaking up, or are they very nervous about what youre saying?

(DW): [CROSSTALK] Yes, hundreds in 10 countries. And we do teach this and weve had what? Three international the first major international

conference we had on the biologic architectures in Mexico City, we had 300international professionals, from all over the world. Theyre getting this fast.Architecture universities are going to have to burn their libraries and start over.[LAUGHTER] Which would be good for them.

(KG): I think that most people when they think of architecture they think ofstructures and the look of the structures, rather than the biologic essence of it.

(DW): Well Mother Nature wasnt designing for fashion when she built apinecone. She built a capacitor that could get voltage from gravity, and thats thedefinition of life. So if you look at a pinecone, you get a pretty good introductionto what buildings need to look like, and what they need to be made of.

(KG): I notice you talked about Prague.

(DW): Well it just happens that the original magnetic map of Prague Boheme is a rose. You can see a picture atgoldenmean.info/architecture/. And you can luciddream there.

(KG): Lets talk a little bit about fabrics. You talk about DNA and fabrics, and Ithought that was really interesting.

(DW): When you make a chart of living materials for their fractality, to inventarchitecture, living fabric is discussed. Steiner had it right.

(KG): Right.

(DW): You know, that children should only touch living fabric, wood and stone living stone. And the children should never touch plastic or metal. Hes right.But he didnt know the reason. The reason is because the electric field theplasma the child cannot breathe. And therefore, they cannot inhabit with theirawareness polyester. And so an example of a sacred fabric would beunbleached hemp, which is a fabulous capacitor. It makes the best clothing,actually. I mean I think these hemp people are right. The nation of the worldthat finally decides to start growing hemp again is probably going to rule theworld. Its a very vibrant, happy DNA and its what you use to make livingcapacitors. Incidentally, the word in the Bible I want to mention the word inthe Bible for a living capacitor is called shem I will build a shem unto theLord, which was translated to mean the altar in your church. So the alter in


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your church actually means fractal capacitor. As is the Ark of the Covenant, thekind of capacitor that could contain radioactivity, and cause life. And thatswhere our word shaman comes from shem-an. Sitchen studied the word.He finally decided highward fire stone, because he didnt know what fractalcapacitor is. But actually a phase conjugate dielectric will contain radioactivity,

nondestructively. And it will cause life and cause centripedal force, and it willself organize.

(KG): You talk about paramagnetic a lot, on your site. Explain whatparamagnetic is. It seems to be relevant.

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(DW): The joke was that if you look at a church, if the stone is paramagnetic granite, limestone, calcaria, basalt which means to bend magnetic linescoherently then that church is probably matriarchy and will actually attractclouds. Whereas if you seek a church, like the one in Wales, UK, which is madeof sandstone, which is called diamagnetic, that church is probably patriarchy,and it will not create charge. And actually, its dead. And because it breaks upmagnetic lines like a sieve, actually. And that difference is life or death. And sothe joke I mean James DeMeo actually did a good study on that. You canactually track the cause of the desertification the making of deserts bytracking where patriarchy has become dominant.

(KG): Thats fascinating. Fascinating. I did an interview with Bill Cox, who haspassed on who was a dowser a world-renowned dowser for many, many

years, who trained with Verne Cameron and spoke of desertification. Wow.

(DW): Yes. So basically, learning how to make the magnetic maps look like arose is how you prevent deserts. Well so the joke was that all the churches inpatriarchy were made of sandstone. So that prevented the magnetic lines fromconverging, and it prevented rain, and causes deserts.

(KG): Is there a list of the different elements that are paramagnetic ordiamagnetic?

(DW): Yeah, the simple table of stone atgoldenmean.info/architecture/. Its theintroduction to the biologic architecture. Yes. So that difference then begins tohelp you understand how magnetic mapping works. I mean Callahan Professor Phil Callahan, who is something of a hero here he went beyond this.He went on to show, by measurement, that you can predict where war or peaceis going to break out, by simply measuring whether the paramagnetic lines arealive or dead in the land.


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(KG): I would love to see that.

(DW): goldenmean.info/peaceuniversity/. So we wrote a curriculum, for teachingpeacemaking, based on this. He went to Ireland, Yugoslavia and Israel. And heshowed that magnetic lines break, and then Village A starts to shoot at Village B.

He learned this because he was in the Amazon country, and he needed to knowif the next village down the river were headhunters or friendly. He found outyou could tell every time. You just measure the soil. If magnetism goes throughthe soil paramagnetic then the natives up ahead are going to be friendly. Ifyou measure the soil and magnetism dont go through the soil, youd betterduck.

(KG): Wow. Wow. Do you know John Hoagland? Hes the physicist in Iowa[0:32:12.2] who has Peace University?

(DW): Oh, I dont think so. So we extrapolated that idea to show that you couldmeasure the electric field called peace, and produce it in brainwaves, in heartwaves, in land magnetic maps, in your breathing, in your sacrocranial pulse.Theres a dozen ways to measure it. And so you teach peacemaking as science.Because its the only way electric fields make peace.

(KG): That is absolutely fantastic. You should be talking to Dennis Kucinich.[LAUGHTER]

(DW): Please send himgoldenmean.info/peaceuniversity/. The curriculums allthere.

(KG): Hed be very interested in this. Very, very

(DW): Weve got many languages and peoples, and quite a few culturesinterested, including Norway, with the Peace Group there.

(KG): Lets go back and talk about a little bit defining life. But I want to talkabout what makes something superconductive.

(DW): If you measure the moment that a gold thread becomes superconductive,just after you zap it with high amperage, at the moment of crystallization, youll

understand why you can do the same thing with the DNA thread. And thatswhy Dannion Brinkley had his near-death experience.

(KG): We should say who Dannion Brinkley is.

(DW): Wrote the book on near-death experience, after Elisabeth Kbler-Ross.And after he got hit by lightning, basically, he couldnt touch anybody because


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every time he did, he could feel their lifetime of emotion, because his DNAbecame superconductive. Its sort of an introduction to the movie Powder, andits the physics of why you see rainbows, after a Tibetan dies.

(KG): Ive read his book. His book is great.

(DW): Yeah, hes a great guy.

(KG): Very exciting.

(DW): Very legitimate. And the physics is instructive. So the DNA threadbecame a superconductor after a little bit of lightning because its a stellateddodecahedron, just like the gold monofilament, which is the physics of alchemy.And then it became the charge collapse makes it a superconductor. Thegeometry of superconductivity is taught by taking Buckminster Fullers jitterbug you take the stellated cubeocta and jitterbug to icosa, and that geometry is theorigin of superconductivity, because of golden mean ratio being the chargecollapse path through center, called black hole the definition of chem. as inchemistry and alchemy. So zero resistance to transfer of charge through center because of golden ratio in that dodeca-icosa geometry definition of alchemy,black hole, and DNA threads and gold monofilament threads thats anintroduction to superconductivity.

(KG): Businesses could be conductive, can they not?

(DW): Yes. In fact, the only currency thats going to survive is fractal.

Introduction to Fractal Economics 101.

(KG): Talk about it, because Ive always maintained on my rainmaking missionthat all businesses are animate, theyre alive, theyre living organisms. And thatincludes everything from the way you do your accounting to the kind ofcurrency that you exchange.

(DW): Which is the reason the only currency the only economics thats evergoing to survive has to be fractal. In other words, money is only a symbol forliving energy, and living energy is always fractal. And the reason is simple. Thereason is so simple because perfect distribution defines all abundance, asperfect dark charge distribution defines the divine and sacred and life. So onceyou understand the geometry of origin of distribution perfection, youunderstand how to invent abundance, which is to say how you definephyllotaxis perfect distribution because of zero storage. So the process ofstorage thats eliminated in a fractal is the origin of all abundance.

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(DW): Storage is eliminated in fractal distribution because perfected chargedistribution is the elimination of storage. Thats why the life itself the lifegiving electric field is actually un-storable, and thats great. In other words, once if you study economics for a while, you realize that perfect sharing is whatfractality invents. And when you say perfect sharing for a wave, you also mean

perfect sharing for money. And thats why perfect distribution in a companyalways is going to look like a rose, and a rose in 3D is called a stellated dodeca the geometry of hydrogen called a phase conjugate dialetric, or simply fractalfield. And that is how you invent economics, if you understand abundance.

(KG): Wouldnt the call in economics and with companies, and the economy ingeneral, would be to establish a fractal structure like a rose or like a pinecone.But the question then is how you do that, when you have all these differentaspects of business.

(DW): Every structure you invent for government rewards distribution bydiscouraging storage. So to reward perfect distribution

you know, its called

just-in-time delivery. But if you take that to its limit condition, youre actuallylooking at a geometry for the structure of all companies, thats going to look likeroses. Youre never going to have hierarchies. Youre always going to have rosesand fractals. And thats true of the business structure, as its true with theirmoney.

(KG): And this is also true with the work that Dee Hock did on Visa which hecreated a Chaordic Organization. Are you familiar with him?

(DW): Say the name again.

(KG): His name is Dee Hock. He was the founder of Visa, and he set up Visa tobe self organizing, based on chaos and not hierarchy. And its one of the fewexamples that have ever worked, by somebody who set it up to be selforganizing and self generating. Very interesting example.

(DW): The geometry of the self organization if its going to work has to befractal and based on golden ratio, because its a branching algorithm design,which actually defines distribution perfected. Its good what you see,biologists need to discover this before they can teach this to economists. Andwhat the biologist doesnt understand is that the same fractality that creates lifein a liquid, called Redox Potential, can be measured in air. And then once youknow that, you can invent architecture. And then once you know that, you couldinvent economics.

(KG): Dont you think our structures for businesses have to be not repurposed but maybe re-visioned. Because the structure itself the consciousness inside


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the structure doesnt allow, necessarily Im talking legally and thatstructure has consciousness doesnt allow for what youre talking about, on afractal level for the most part.

(DW): Once you understand that the only thing that nature ever rewarded was

charge distribution, then you also

that tells you that the only thing for humans,that nature ever rewarded, was actually bliss. So once you understand that blissis the purpose of studying government, then you can begin to invent you know business structure. In other words, if it doesnt produce the growth of humanaura or actually all biological aura, which is the distribution of plasma thenthe business has not succeeded.

(KG): Fascinating. Lets talk about the Galactic Superwave and the CarringtonEvent, in a larger context for things that youre concerned about, and havediscussed in your videos and in your writings.

(DW): Right. Religious people have talked about rapture. Rapture is the sameas death its a compression event. And only fractal structures will ever survivecompression. So applying that to a 2012 story what we see is that the equatorof the Earth, and the Solar System, and the Galaxy three spinning plates precess toward a 90-degree cubic relationship, near 2012 Galactic Corealignment, which produces a plasma wave between the Galactic Core and theSolar System which increases spin density within the Solar System. And toabsorb that nondestructively requires fractality which is really the only wayanything is going to survive the rapture to invite compression without heat. SoPaul Laviolette wrote Galactic Superwave, about how it increases the dust inside

the Solar System. But it actually increases

the temperature of most of theplanets is now going up radically, and so fractal structures are going to berequired for survival. In practical terms, it means that most humans who do notunderstand bliss are going to start going insane. And those who do are going tolook for fractal structures, which basically means run dont walk to leave thecities, because theyre opposite to fractal. Its the same reason why hurricanes, ortornados, will go out of their way to destroy a metal building. Whereas they willgo out of their way to not destroy a stone church. Because the stone church canbreathe charge, and so the tornado will feel that as part of their body.

(KG): Thats fascinating. Absolutely fascinating.

(DW): [CROSSTALK] The center of Hurricane Katrina was a pentagram. It wasimplosive centripedal and self aware. And so the thing thats least fractal wecould talk about New Orleans, but lets not go there. But the things that are leastfractal are going to die first. Its a very simple statement. Its the physics of therapture. You must invite compression. And to do that, you get fractal, or getdead.


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(KG): We are in whats called a Solar Minimum.

(DW): The duration of that Solar Minimum is going to scare the pants off anysolar physicist, because they know that a plasma pulse is imminent. So the Sun

is about to have an orgasm, which the Sun deserves. And anything that canenjoy the orgasm is going to be fractal and be part of the distribution of charge,and actually in the same way you can watch a shaman steer a tornado, thechildren need to learn to steer the Sun. So actually, its a wonderful opportunityto absorb plasma, but it does rather mean you might need to find a cave in themeantime.

(KG): You have no concerns. You have no fears, do you?

(DW): Oh, I wouldnt say that. I live in the lowest population density in Europe,with the best air and magnetism in Europe, here in South France. But you know,that doesnt mean I have no fear. But I understand a lot about the electricmeaning of fear, and I understand the principle here, pretty well. Just because Iunderstand the principle doesnt mean I can do it real good. Although I have myblissful days, and Ive been having kundalini for 30 years, but [LAUGHTER] itsstill dont think of me as perfect, please.

(KG): I dont think of anybody as perfect, but it sounds like youre very at peacewith what you know already, and what needs to be done, and where we need tobe thinking, and what we need to be doing.

(DW): I mean I can teach people how to do this, but I need to be a better luciddreamer myself, I will tell you. But Im pretty good at having kundalini. But theprinciple here is very simple. It means that people need to be in a place fromwhich you get the electric leverage to steer tornados. You know, when a millionchildren sing at the same moment, the effect on the solar flares is measurabledramatic, and that principle is basically charge embedding. So the bit about thesolar wind is true the Carrington Event. The Carrington Event is likely to toastmost of Earth. Its pretty normal, actually. And the way to steer that tornado isthe way you steer any tornado. Your plasma needs to become its center ofgravity, and that begins with empathy called charge embedding.

(KG): It sounds like empathy is also part of the science.

(DW): It is. If you watch a shaman steering a tornado, with any clairvoyance,the shaman says I am now feeling the anger which is the pain which is thebleeding fractality of that tornado. And then the tornado realizes the shamanfeels its pain better than it feels its own pain. And the tornado falls in love with


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the shaman, and invites the shaman to embed its plasma and become the gravitycenter of that tornado.

(KG): It sounds like a spiritual dance, as it were, the way youre describing it.

(DW): Its called charge embedding, technically

or perfect nesting. And so youwatch bioplasmic streamers from the belly of the shaman embed, or nest, in thecenter of that tornado. By the way, the angles of entry for that spiral is theHebrew alphabet, actually. And thats the introduction of MAGic MAGs Matrixof AGni. And so that physics of empathy embedding how you become thecenter of gravity of a larger donut is actually an introduction of how youinhabit tornados, and then stars.

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(KG): You have a lot of complex and intricate, and interrelated information onyour Web site. Some people may be a little overwhelmed going to it. Theres somuch there. For people first going to the site, do you have any recommendationswhere to begin?

(DW): Well you know, the book for kids goldenmean.info/consciouskids aboutthe science of bliss is a good place to start, actually. Theres also a bibliographyand glossary, and theres also several hundred films there. We have 2 millionvisits a month. We have the largest personal Web site in the world.

(KG): How did that happen? Did you build fractals into your Web site?

[LAUGHTER]

(DW): Ive been working on it for 20 years or something. We have, I dontknow, 5 or 10 languages there. Weve been at it for a while. I mean I admit itsnot well organized, but its very fractal. And the information there it has themost pure principle about the nature of life. And if people want to start from apurely scientific perspective, start withfractalfield.com. And you see theapplication of just the technology, which is where were going now. So we havebuilt something called the Imploder, which uses this fractal field phase conjugatedielectric hydrodynamically and magnetically fractal magnetics is where thelike poles of the magnet attract and learned how to implode water and produce30 to 300% growth-affected water

the Imploder. You can see that at

fractalfield.com, which is parallel to what we did with electric fields, with thePyraphi fractalfield.com/pyraphi. So were applying this to technologies and wehave a Bloom the Desert Project, and all kinds of you know. We think that byteaching this as science, its a way to introduce the spirituality.


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(KG): Do you think that we could go in to deserts and create habitats that arefractally sound, that produce water?

(DW): The physics is that water follows magnetism and follows fractality. Andso not only can you find water in any desert, and we can prove it and thats

what were marketing the technologies to do. Its called the Bloom the DesertProject. But also then, you build the shape of your technology in the desert, tomake it a water attractor. So the deep underground water Deep Rock Water sometimes called a Captive Water Table or more technically, Primary Water is always fractal, and you can find it with a phase conjugate dielectric. And soyou can find water in any desert, and Bloom the Desert. And then you buildyour town appropriately, to be a water attractor, and you eliminate deserts. Thescientist Leto Kanes, in the movie Dune hes the guy who turns the planet froma desert, green. And turning planets green is the reason our gene pool exists.

(KG): That would be incredible, to be able to do that around the world, and toshow people in different places.

(DW): Yes. Weve assembled a global team of scientists, specifically doing theBloom the Desert Project. Were working with Sasha Stone, the UN group andtheres lots of people involved in this project. So anybody interested in theBloom the Desert Project, check outfractalfield.com. Send me an email [email protected].

(KG): That is so important. I think its one of the big priorities of the world.

(DW): Once you know the cause of desert, you can eliminate the cause. Itsobvious. Water is not going to circulate where charge is not fractal. The sameway if you bring the kids next to a really good river, theyre all going to wantto take a pee. People are intelligent waters way of getting around. So once youunderstand why the water wont go there, you can fix it.

(KG): Thats great. I think Bill Cox would have really liked you.

(DW): We work with dowsers around the world on this. We love them.

(KG): I think its interesting that you talked about Primary Water, which isbelow the aquifers.

(DW): And the Australian government has been forced to change their lawsabout accessing water in the water table. Because if you find water thats notpart of the water table, then you need a different law. And a different law ofphysics applies. Thats called Deep Rock Water, or the Captive Water Table, or


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Primary Water. The fun part is, you can find the Primary Water like dowsersdo with a phase conjugate dielectric or a fractal field.

(KG): How do you find water?

(DW): I teach the principles of dowsing. And I have basic dowsing skills. Youknow, 30 years of kundalini, your DNA bends a magnetic line.

(KG): I notice youre chuckling about that. [LAUGHTER]

(DW): You dont need a metal rod. You can, but you should feel with yourhands. And basically, the way we start a dowsing lesson is to say that if youcannot feel a magnetic line, you cannot feel.

(KG): I would say that that would be a great deal of the populace, whos dealingwith their cell phones thousands of minutes a day.

(DW): Thats right. And people who have lived in electrosmog so long, thatthey cannot feel a magnetic line, are doomed.

(KG): Before we close this particular segment and I really want to invite youback, as well. Because the subjects are huge. Id like to know your sentiment atthis time, about whats happening on the Gulf Coast. There must be aninteresting way that you translate what is occurring.

(DW): Yeah, I do think its you know, it could be cataclysmic for much of the

Americas. I think its probably true, sadly. But realistically, if a culture cannotlearn to metabolize starlight directly, eventually the mother is going to say thekids cannot be weaned. And thats sad. And so I think the lesson here is thatand the technological lesson is we should have been burning hydrogen for allglobal energy needs decades ago. Thats the childishness. And the way to dothat is my equation for hydrogen, incidentally. But in the meantime, whatslooking at us in our face is our failure to wean. Or the way the ETs joke about itis were still driving around in cars powered by dinosaurs farting, and thatsembarrassing.

(KG): What do you mean, We have to learn how to absorb the energy of thestars?

(DW): Metabolizing starlight directly is another way of saying to be able toabsorb charge directly. If you study with Jasmuheen how to live without food,you gradually learn to absorb charge from your environment. And these peopleare gaining weight, even though they never eat. The physics is theyve learnedhow to absorb charge. And you do that by getting fractal you know, enough


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time barefoot in nature, and you learn how to absorb charge. Well because wehave failed to wean, this is now staring us in the face, which is very appropriate.And its an ancient this problem has existed on many planets. Were not thefirst ones to do this. In the meantime, we need to learn how to create centripedalforce, which is how water will be purified. Its called the Imploder

fractalfield.com. And the origin of all sorting is also the origin of being able toabsorb charge, actually. In effect, the reason we cant fix pollution is because wedont know the principle of how nature sorts anything. And that is calledimplosion, and its the physics of fractality, and its teachable. So in effect,because you know if you implode water, it will be sorted as a liquid, inlayers, by atomic mass by atomic weight by mass. Just like the spin cycle ona washing machine. Thats what implosion is. And nature uses that to sorteverything. Its the definition of digestion implosion, electrically. Its calledsorting. And thats the origin of all self organization. Its called fractal. Andbecause we dont know that, we have to sit in dirty diapers.

(KG): [LAUGHTER] Im sure youve read Viktor Shauberger.

(DW): Hes my hero.

(KG): It sounds like it.

(DW): Viktor Shauberger really in his work on implosion he got very close tothe principle. He even got close to golden ratio. And he saw self organization.He really intuitively understood. And he built a generator that got voltagefrom gravity and water. It was a vortex. We know how it works now. We know

why. Its a cone angle. The Implosion Lab in UK is very close. The internal

theinside of a donut is coated with a phase conjugate dielectric silver gold. Andthen the super pure water is spinning about 50,000 RPM. The waters pHelectrically doped, and that vortex starts to implode, spontaneously gets colderand begins to get voltage from gravity. And if you sit that in a field thatspolluted, it will begin to self organize.

(KG): So you dont believe, probably as I dont believe, that theres a watershortage. Theres only a scarcity of how to get to it, and what to do with it.

(DW): Theres a misunderstanding of how anything is purified.

(KG): Right.

(DW): But its so fundamental. I mean people dont even understand thatrainbows cannot happen, unless the air is fractal. People dont understand thatthat same phase conjugate fractality is the reason color exists. Thats the reasonphotons get sorted into the rainbow.


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(KG): Please describe for the audience what a photon is, and then I want to talkto you about biophotons.

(DW): Photon the quantization of light is a wave packet that travels as adonut. And the angle that donut hits the cone of your eye is called color. And

the angles that make color is the face angles of the dodecahedron, which is thereason color exists goldenmean.info/fractalcolor.

(KG): Why are biophotons, or biophotonic anything, so important now? Why isit a big deal?

(DW): When human when living things emit charge, its quantized intopackets of plasma, called photons. And the angle and quantity of their departureis quantized by the angle of the dodecahedron, which is the cause of color.

(KG): An so biophotonic water would be what? How is it different fromimplosion water?

(DW): Biophoton is poorly defined in science. Fritz Popp you know, he did aservice by showing that you could measure life by when something wasspinning out photons. But what he didnt understand is that its more efficient tomeasure just the capacitance of a tomato, or whatever it was, and you could tell ifthe charge field was projective. So its easier to spectrum analyze a weak electricfield than to wait for a photon to spin out goldenmean.info/biophoton. I show themeasurement technique.

(KG): I understand youre a great teacher.

(DW): Well, I guess I went too fast here.

(KG): [LAUGHTER] What is your biggest challenge now, in your life? Whatare you at work on that has you really concerned, or very excited andchallenged?

(DW): You know, I think our Imploder technology is going to revolutionizewater purification, and by the way, also combustion engines. But so that isalready working. But this phase conjugate dielectric field now we think weregoing to invent life force generation, so we can use it to treat seeds, we can use itto treat rock powders to heal lakes. So this electric-field-that-causes-life idea isteachable. I think its going to reinvent a lot of multibillion dollar industries.And we have people around the world that are testing this. So this idea that aphase conjugate dielectric is a fractal field that creates life I think thats actuallycommercializable, and that commerce is going to allow me to teach at a wholenew level. And I like that.


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(KG): Do you use cell phones?

(DW): When I have to. I mean I have an iPhone, but [LAUGHTER]. The trick issimple.. Keep the damned thing away from your head, use it only when youvegot to, and then use a cord to the earpiece. [CROSSTALK]

(KG): Right. Or on a speaker, right?

(DW): Yeah, on a speaker or something. Youve got to keep the thing away fromyour head, and use it minimally. I mean basically, this microwave is actually thefrequency spectra of the emission of kundalini. Its measurable. So what theFederal Communication Commission missed is that microwave frequencies atwhich living cells communicate mitogenic radiation. If they understand thatfrequency spectra, the Communication Commission has to reserve thebandwidth.

(KG): Why?

(DW): Well one of the ways you can measure kundalini, or bliss, is a microwavescan of the spine Bob Gratchs work. And once you understand howmicrowave is involved in living cellular communication, you begin to get someidea of how nature communicates. And if you understood that, you wouldntget close to a cell phone ever. Because it messes with your bliss, actually. Andpeople who have a lot of bliss wont get anywhere near the damned thing.

(KG): I think a lot of the kids who have cell phones today, that are in their ear all

the time, and theyre constantly texting

(DW): Its a tragedy.

(KG): are lacking bliss.

(DW): I mean there are actually laws and posters in Spain telling young womenthat these things will kill you. Its real. I mean because the weak microwavefrequencies, that your body is using to communicate bliss, get totally scrambled.A couple of cell phones will cook an egg, it will also cook your brain. Its reallybad news.

(KG): And how about the number of TV sets in a house? Thats also a wholeother thing thats really disruptive.

(DW): Yeah, theres low power Wi-Fi and high power Wi-Fi. But low power Wi-Fi is not too bad. But yeah, the DECT phone technologies. I mean really for now,the only solution is get the hell out of the city. That is the only solution for now.


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Youre going to need to move to nature. And learn to share a big garden abiodynamic garden in a community, away from the city. That is the onlysolution for now, if you want an aura thats going to survive death.

(KG): And well be coming over to the south of France shortly. [LAUGHTER]

Do you speak?

(DW): Well Im not saying thats the only place

(KG): I know, I know. Do you speak French?

(DW): Je parle franais un petit actually [CROSSTALK]

(KG): Oh, monsieur, monsieur

(DW): I should say, je parle franais comme une vache espagnole - I speakFrench like a Spanish cow.

(KG): [LAUGHTER]

(DW): My lady friend would tell you that my French is terrible.

(KG): Oh, monsieur.

(DW): Ive learned something about the culture. You see, actually the ecosystemhere is fabulous. But I would still say the French government is clueless.

(KG): Theres often a big difference between the governments and where peoplelive.

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(DW): Yeah. No, the ecosystem is quite beautiful here, down in South France.And thats a wonderful thing. And we just did the Magdeline the BlackMadonna Festival. And thats all real and powerful, and based on good physics.But you know, we have wonderful things in Byron Bay, Australia. We have a lotof fun there. And Western Canada

(KG): Ive actually been to Byron Bay. Ive climbed Mt. Warning. [LAUGHTER]I wish someone had warned me about that ahead of time. They just said ah, itwill be a few minutes. Meanwhile, four hours later, Im at the top.[LAUGHTER]


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(DW): You know the original name for that mountain is Wollumbin, whichmeans Rainmaker.

(KG): Really?

(DW): Yes.

(KG): Thats wild.

(DW): The reason it attracts rain if you do a 3D animation of the geometry, itsa grail cup its a charge attractor. And there were 10-foot tall red-hairedskeletons found there, like at Zoar Valley, which are Anunnaki. And the reasonthey want there was to make their blood immortal.

(KG): Wow. Its a good thing I didnt know all that then. [LAUGHTER] Itwould have been a different kind of climb.

(DW): Its a great area. Wonderful communities there. Its pretty nice.

(KG): Is there anything obstructing your ability to get this message out, to asmany people as possible?

(DW): Well you know, I used to run around the world, and we taught in what 30 to 50 cities every year, for 20 years, or something. But its impossible to teachfor a living, which is normal on a planet thats dying. But in the meantime, wedecided to distribute the teaching as technology, which is beginning to work

maybe. [LAUGHTER] And so we still run around teaching, but in the process,we distribute you know fractal field you know, the Imploder and now thePyraphi. And we show the principles in technologies, so people can apply itinside their body the same as outside. And were involved with people who areconverting the spiritual ideas to science, and therefore, to commerce. And thereare people all over the world that are excited, but they arent working with us.Id invite your listeners to join us, and lets play. If youre involved in any ofthese fields

(KG): Ive been on a mission for 25 years, so I would be very interested to talkwith you further.

(DW): Well good. Well lets pursue it. Its all fun, its all good. Were shareable.A perfectly shareable wave.

(KG): Ladies and gentlemen, we have been talking to, learning from andlistening to, Dan Winter. You can reach him atgoldenmean.info and what else,Dan?


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(DW): Fractalfield.com and email [email protected], and Skype is DanWinter. And happy to be in touch. Please check out the stuff, and lets wehave a 25-DVD set available reasonably on the Web site, and also the Imploder, ifyou want to try healing water.

(KG): Thank you, very much, for being on the show. And we hope that youllcome back and visit us again.

(DW): I would love to. Im pleased to be in touch

(KG): It's Rainmaking Time!TM

(DW): Exactly. Its all fractal.

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