INTERNATIONAL SCOUTING COLLECTORS ASSOCIATION, INC · to the subscription of the International Scouting Collectors Association Journal. The International Scouting Collectors Association,

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INTERNATIONAL SCOUTING COLLECTORS ASSOCIATION, INC

CHAIRMAN PRESIDENT

TERRY GROVE, 2048 Shadyhill Terr., Winter Park FL 32792 (321) 214-0056 groveagle@cf/.rr.com

CRAIG LEIGHTY 1012 Bartlett PI., Pleasanton, CA 94566 (925) 484-0602 [email protected]

ADMINISTRATION:

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BOARD MEMBERS-AT-LARGE

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REGIONAL VICE-PRESIDENTS

CENTRAL REGION: BOB CYLKOWSKI, 2508 Waterbury PI., Champaign, IL 61822 (217) 398-1189 [email protected]

NORTHEAST REGION: ROY WETHERBEE, 507 South St., Shrewsbury, MA 01545 (508) 842-6038 [email protected]

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WESTERN REGION: TODD HATFIELD, PO Box 715, Lyons, OR 97358 [email protected]

INTERNATIONAL REGION: MIKE GOSLING, 39 Carrick Road, Curzon Park, Chester, CH4 8AN, England, mike@sigmahcom

The Intemational Scouting Collectors Association Joumal, "The ISCA Joumal," (ISSN 1535-1092) is the official quarterly publication of the International Scouting Collectors Association, Inc. (ISCA) and is issued in March, June, September, and December by the International Scouting Collectors Association., Inc., 2915 W. Charleston Blvd., Suite 2, Las Vegas, NV 89102. Periodicals Postage Paid at Las Vegas, NV 89102. Annual membership dues are $25 adults, $10 youth under 18, US$40 overseas. $21 of the annual dues is allocated to the subscription of the International Scouting Collectors Association Journal. The International Scouting Collectors Association, Inc. is a non-profit organization which is staffed and operated solely by volunteers and has no affiliation with the Boy Scouts of America. Views expressed in this publication are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the official position of the International Scouting Collectors Association, Inc. ©2004, International Scouting Collectors Association, Inc. Printed in the USA.

POSTMASTER: Send address changes to The International Scouting Collectors Association Journal, clo KEVIN DOYLE 1533 Kaminaka Dr. Honolulu, HI 96816

ISCA Web Site: http://ScoutTrader.org IseA JOURNAL· DECEMBER 2004

JOURNAL STAFF EDITOR

JAMES ELLIS PO BOX 230332

LAS VEGAS, NV 89123 Phone (702) 878-7268 Fax: (702) 822-2020

[email protected]

ASSISTANT EDITOR

KEVIN DOYLE 1533 KAMINAKA DRIVE HONOLULU, HI 96816

PHONE: (808) 735-3846 [email protected]

ADVERTISING MANAGER

ROGER WARD PO Box 1201, Nokomis, FL 34274

(941) 492-5389 [email protected]

COLUMNISTS

COLLECTING CAMP PATCHES: BOB SHERMAN 4640 Main St., Stratford, CT 06614 (203) 378-9154

[email protected]

COLLECTING Q & A: ANDY DUBILL 2200 Fairfax Drive, Alpharetta, GA 30004-1477 (770) 346-9713 [email protected]

FROM THE NATIONAL ARCHIVE: BILL TOPKIS & JEFF MORLEY 2580 Silver Cloud Ct., Park City, UT 84060 (435) 655-8899 [email protected]

THE CSP CORNER: STEVE AUSTIN 8237 Tuna Path, Liverpool, NY 13090 (315) 456-1511 [email protected]

GIRL SCOUT MEMORABILIA: TOM ASHTON 728 E. Nicollet Blvd., #E, Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 898-4125 [email protected]

HOBBY TRENDS: ROY MORE 2484 Dundee Drive, Ann Arbor, MI 48103 (313) 663-6203 [email protected]

HIGH ADVENTURE: J. CONLEY WILLIAMS PO Box 23374, Waco, TX 76702 (254) 772-1106 [email protected]

INTERNATIONAL BADGES: HAROLD DAW 7B International Tower, 23 South Bay Close, Repulse Bay, Hong Kong, [email protected]

LOOKING FOR RED AND WHITES: BLAKE KEASEY 2569 Remington Ct., Merced, CA 95340 (209) 726-1250 [email protected]

MEMORABILIA COLLECTING ONLINE: KEVIN DOYLE 1533 Kaminaka Drive, Honolulu, HI 96816 (808) 735-3846 [email protected]

NECKERCHIEF SLIDES: JOHN KOPPEN 12705 NW Puddy Gulch Rd., Yamhill, OR 97148 (503) 662-3953 [email protected]

ORDER OF THE ARROW NEWS: DAVE MINNIHAN & BRUCE SHELLEY 2300 Fairview, G202, Costa Mesa, CA92626 (714) 641-4845 [email protected]

WORLD JAMBOREE: NEIL LARSEN 4332 Marigold Ave, Vadnais Heights, MN 55127-3540

ISCA JOURNAL - DECEMBER 2004

ON THE INSIDE

FEATURES

Khaki Crimped Merit Badges 1947 - 1960 OA Lodge Mugs (Part 3)

COLUMNS

ISCA News Trade-O-Ree Calendar Officer Elections - Ballot Candidate Bios Picture of The Quarter OA News Looking For Red and Whites The Badge Collectors Corner The CSP Corner Collecting Q & A Neckerchief Slides World Jamboree Collecting Camp Patches Year In Review OA at National Events ISCA Membership Application Advertisements

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Publication and Advertising Deadline Dates

Vol. 5, No.1 Vol. 5, No.2

ADVERTISING

01/0212005 04/01/2005

EDITORIAL

01/15/2005 04/15/2005

ISCA Journal Submission Guidelines Submissions should be made to the ISCAJournal Editor. Materials should be submitted in the following manner, unless prior arrangements are made:

• Text should be submitted through e-mail, or on disk, in a text file or MS-WORD form. PC platform only.

• Images should be submitted separately and not embedded in text files. All images must be scanned at 300 dpi and saved at a high quality, in a tiff or jpeg format. If there are limited images, high quality hard copy can be submitted.

• A desired layout can be submitted, but ISCA reserves the right to edit material or layout.

• All submissions must be made in advance of the submission deadline. No exceptions will be made.

• The Editor is available to assist writers regarding the preparation of articles and submission of materials.

• Submission materials will be returned if requested. The International Scouting Collectors Association, Inc. retains copyright over all materials published in the ISCA Journal, unless express written permission for use is given.

Advertising Rates Full Page $150.00 Half Page $75.00

1/4 Page $37.50 1/8 Page $18.75

Special placement fees 50-200% All advertising submissions should be made to the Advertising Manager and meet the ISCA Joumal submission guidelines and deadlines.

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2005 NATIONAL SCOUT JAMBOREE GETTING READY FOR THE

JAMBOREE

With the 2005 National Scout Jamboree less than a year away it's time to start gathering information about the patches, pins, neckerchiefs, etc., that will be generated over the next several months. If you are aware of items from your council, lodge, or staff area, please email me detailed information about the items at [email protected]. If I get enough of a response, I'll print an pre-Jamboree list in the June issue of the Journal. Of course, a comprehensive list will be included in the September 2005 Journal.

I would also like to hear from ISCA members that will be attending the Jamboree so I can publish a list of who will be where. That way, if you at the Jamboree and want to find another ISCA member, at least you'll know where to start looking. This will also help us as we prepare for an ISCA Reunion at the Jamboree.

AUTHORS, AUTHORS AND MORE AUTHORS

I'm looking for a couple of youth members that will be attending the Jamboree to write

On the Cover

Merit Badge images courtesy the Las Vegas International Scouting Museum Identification from Merit Badge Fied Guide by Fred Duersch, Jr.

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short articles on their Jamboree experience. The articles will appear in the September issue. So if you're a youth member, or an adult that knows a youth member, who would be interested, please send me an email.

COLLECTIONS MERIT BADGE ON MERIT BADGE MIDWAY

The Collections Merit Badge will be staffed by ISCA members. So make sure to stop by and say "hi" and get the latest information on what's going on with ISCA at the Jamboree.

1 Forage Crops 2 Cement Work 3 Foundry Practice 4 Farm Arrangement 5 Interpreting 6 Soil Management 7 Taxidermy 8 Stalking 9 Small Grain & Cereal Foods 10 Textiles 11 Cotton Farming 12 Citrus Fruit Culture 13 Astronomy 14 Blacksmithing 15 Sheep Farming 16 Aerodynamics 17 Bee Keeping (1939 - 1951) 18 Airplane Structure 19 Aviation 20 Bee Keeping (1957 - ) 21 Bee Keeping (1952 - 1956) 22 Seamanship 23 Leatherwork 24 Fruit & Nut Growing 25 Nut Culture 26 Farm Records & Bookeeping 27 Pottery 28 Rocks & Minerals 29 Sculpture 30 Dramatics 31 Radio 32 Signaling 33 Pets 34 Zoology 35 Fruit Culture


MEMBERSHIP RENEWALS Check your mailing label - if it reads 12/31/2004. THIS IS YOUR LAST ISSUE, unless you renew immediately.

A renewal reminder may also be mailed but don't count on it and risk missing an issue! Now would be a good time to check your collecting codes too and update them if needed.

We no longer backdate memberships so if you miss an issue you'll have to buy it online from the ISCA store

Annual membership dues are $25 adults, $10 youth under 18, US$40 overseas. Dues should be sent to:

DOUG KRUTILEK 1305 Singingwood Court #1

Walnut Creek CA 94595

RENEW YOUR MEMBERSHIP ONLINE at http://ScoutTrader.org

ISCA WEB SITE http://ScoutTrader.Org

The ISCA web site is your source for up-to-date information about ISCA and our hobby. The REFERENCE Section contains tons of collecting related links. Find out about trading events in the TRADE-O-REE Section, and read about official ISCA information in the NEWS & INFORMATION Section.

New in the MEMBERS ONLY section is a much requested Searchable Membership Roster.

The following can be used to access the MEMBERS ONLY Section on our web site:

USER NAME = autumn PASSWORD = camping

For comments, questions, problems, or suggestions about the site; please contact our webmaster -- John Pannell at jpannel/@oaimages.com

SUPPORT ISCA e-MEMBERSHIP!

ISCA is committed to recruiting a new class of members, e-members or electronic members, that have access to the general ISCA web site, and a special e-member section, but not the members section or the Journal. All ISCA regular and life members may sign up as free e-members. Please sign up and access the e-member site. There you will find a series of articles written for new collectors.

Please spread the word about e-membership and encourage all collectors, especially those with no previous ties to ISCA, to sign up. It is free and it only takes a minute to sign up on the web. Go to http://www.scouttrader.org and click on the "eMembership" link. From there, you can scroll down and fill in your name, e-mail address, lodge and state to become an e-member. All members and e-members must subscribe to the ISCA code of ethics. It is in all of our interests to grow our membership and to promote the growth of our hobby.

We hope that many new e-members will eventually become regular members. At the site is a promotional flyer for ISCA membership and emembership. Please print and distribute this at TORs, conclaves, OA events, and at other Scouting events. Also, please look over the articles. We need more articles.

Please contact Warren F. Kuhfeld, E-VP eMembership, [email protected], if you would like to help write or if you have any questions about e-membership. Thank you for supporting this important ISCA initiative!

ISCA AT THE JAMBOREE ISCA members will be staffing the Collections Merit Badge booth in Merit Badge Midway at the 2005 National Scout Jamboree. If you're interested in working at the booth, Contact ISCA's President, Craig Leighty. And by all means, If you're going to be at the Jambore, whether working on staff, as part of a contingent, or just visiting the Jamboree, be sure to stop by Merit Badge Midway and and say hello.

This issue's color cover has been sponsored by:

HEART 0' TEXAS TRADER

If you would like to sponsor a color cover, please contact the Advertising Manager.

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Membership Notes by Kevin Doyle, ISCA 116L

EVP - Membership

MY PET PEEVE FIRST

While we're seeing an uptick in memberships, we're also seeing an uptick in undeliverable journals (Can you believe it, the postal service tosses them in the trash!) because members have forgotten to notify us of their change in address when it occurs.

The result is an increasing number of requests to replace missing journals, that would not be missing if we had timely notice when an address changes. Because we end up paying a lot more to mail a single replacement copy than we do under our periodical rates, the wasted dollars add up. If the trend continues, ISCA may have to institute a surcharge to cover the cost of mailing you a second copy because you moved and kept quiet about it. So, if you have moved, are moving, will move, or plan to move, please keep reading about how to let us know; the ISCA Journal you save, just might be your own.

CHANGE OF ADDRESS

Notifying ISCA of a change in address (postal, phone, e-mail) is easy. JustgothethelSCAwebsite,click on Member Services and fill out the form. Or you can mail your changes to me at:

Kevin Doyle ISeA Membership 1533 Kaminaka Drive Honolulu, HI 96816-1813

And then brag to you friends you wrote to someone in Hawaii.

E-MAIL ADDRESSES

If you have an e-mail address, please go online and update your information. It makes sending you a renewal reminder much easier and helps hold down the expense of mailing out postcards. BTW, 30 % of ISCA members with e-mail addresses in our records have bad addresses. That's the average failure rate we have experienced when we do a dues renewal reminder. So if you no longer use that hotmail account you told us was yours, please update your data at the ISCA site.

PHONE NUMBERS

While we rarely need to use phone numbers, sometimes it's helpful. Like when the postal service sends a note saying you moved - no forwarding address. We can't write you to ask what your correct mailing address is and if you haven't given us a working e-mail address, then you stop getting your journal. And if you are a Life member, that could be a bad thing for a long time.

MAILING SCHEDULE

The Journal comes out in March, June, September and December. The deadline for mailing labels is the first of the month preceding the cover date. So if your dues run out with the December issue - your renewal needs to be submitted, processed and the records updated by February 1 st. Put it in the mail on January 28th and there is every likelihood you will miss the March issue. So check your Journal label and renew early. Remember, you can do it all on line including paying with your credit card or Paypal.

I try to hold the labels open as long as possible, but it's better not to take chances; when the Journal is ready, it goes. Renew early (and often). You can even renew with three or four issues remaining - we just extend your membership by a year and you won1t miss an issue.

LIFE MEMBERSHIP

Such a deal. No more dues for life. No missed issues (if you keep your address updated - see above). No more postcards or e-mails. But if you really miss them, you can send me your e-mail address and 1111 send you a "you DON'T have to renew your dues" reminder so you can remember how clever you were to get out of the yearly ritual.

E-MEMBERSHIP

E-Membership is free and you can sign up on the ISCA website. It's not the regular membership (you won't get the Journal) but it has lots of good stuff about the hobby, even regular members can benefit from. Tell your friends to try it out and consider becoming regular members.

DON'T FORGET TO VOTE SEE PAGE 8 FOR YOUR BALLOT

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November 19 - 20, 2004 - Sixtheenth Annual Greater St. Louis Scout Memorabilia Show and Trade-O-Ree Epiphany Catholic Chuch Community Center, St. Louis Contact: John H. Remelius 314-353-3285; [email protected]; 6400 Lynbrook Dr. St., Louis, MO 63123-1534

November 20, 2004 - 9th Annual Shu Shu Gah Lodge and ISCA TOR Camp Alpine, Route 9W, Alpine NJ Contact: Bill Mulrenin, 261-68th Street, Brooklyn, NY 11220. ISCA Sponsored

December 4, 2004 - Old Corn Belt TOR St Mary's School Gym, 603 W Jackson St, Bloomington, IL, 61701 Contact: Bob Clark, 25339 N. 2700 East Rd, Lexington, IL 61753-7673, [email protected], (309) 365-7179 or Wilbur Williamson, 19053 Woodland Trail, Bloomington, IL 61704-4112 [email protected], (309) 663-4259

January 14-15, 2005 - 27th Annual Dallas National Trade-O-Ree and ISCA National Conference Sheraton DFW Grand Hotel, 4440 West John Carpenter Freeway (Hwy 114), Irving, TX Contact: Sandra Franck, PO Box 451971, Garland, TX 75045 (972) 530-7863, [email protected]

January 22, 2005 - Rocky Mountain Trade-O-Ree Knights of Columbus Hall, 13645 East Bayaud Avenue, Aurora, CO 80012 Contact: Mike Conkey, 2664 South Nome Street, Aurora, CO 80014-1850 (303)368-1948, [email protected]

February 5, 2005 - The Friends of J.N. Webster Trade-O-Ree Knights of Columbus Hall, 47 S. 2nd Ave., Taftville, CT (Taftville is a part of the city of Norwich) Contact: Harry Segerstrom, #1 Hanover-Versailles Rd., Baltic, CT 06330 (860) 822-6235 [email protected] or Paul Segerstrom. Same as above.

February 11, 2005 - 17th Annual Orlando Sunshine TOR Camp Down, Windermere, Florida Contact: Terry Grove (321) 214-0056 [email protected]

February 19 - 20,2005 - Scouter SWAP Meet 1796 Sherwin, Des Plaines, IL Contact: Northwest Suburban Council, 600 N. Wheeling Road, Mt. Prospect, IL 60056, (847) 635-9404, [email protected] or Betty Wurster, 1442 Henry Ave., Des Plaines, II 60016, (847) 699-0449, [email protected]

February 25 - 26, 2005 - 3rd Annual Twin Cities Area Trade-O-Ree St. John The Baptist Church/School, 4625 West 125th Street, Savage, MN Contact: Bob Hannah, 7403 132nd Circle, Savage, MN 55378-1296, (952) 894-2720, roscout@ hotmail.com

February 25 - 26, 2005 - The "Grandaddy" East Coast TOR Central New Jersey Council BSA HQ, 4315 US Rt. 1 South, Monmouth Junction, NJ, 08852 Contact: Ron Levine, (732) 738-0969 (before 10 PM Eastern) or [email protected], 56 MacArthur Drive, Edison, NJ, 08837

March 4-5, 2005 - Tulsa (T-Town) Trade-O-Ree Econo Lodge 11620 E. Skelly Drive, Tulsa, OK Contact: Larry Trook, 6410 E. 165th Street South Bixby, Oklahoma 74008 (919) 636-5480, email [email protected] or Mike Cale (918) 272-3281, email [email protected]

March 5, 2005 - Double 3 Trade 0 Ree Our Lady of Good Council Church, 137 W. Upper Ferry Rd, Ewing, NJ Contact: Tad Hall, 1709 Stuyvesant Ave., Ewing, NJ 08618-3213 (609) 538 8401

March 11 - 12, 2005 - Pittsburgh TOR Airport Holiday Inn, Pittsburgh, PA Contact: Conrad Auel, 1516 Jones St., Monessen, PA 15062 (724) 684-8585 [email protected]

September 30 - October 1, 2005 - New England Trade-o-ree Camp Carpenter Manchester Contact: Greg Anthony, 10 Lilac Court, Nashua, NH 03062 [email protected] or Daniel Webster Council (sponsor) www.dwcbsa.org.

TO HAVE YOUR TOR LISTED HERE, REGISTER IT ON THE ISCA WEBSITE AT

HTTP://SCOUTTRADER.ORG

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BALLOT Chairman of the Board (3 year term)

D Terry Grove

Executive VP - Administration (3 year term):

D Bruce Dordick Vote For 1 Only:

D Sam Fairchild

Executive VP - Communications (3 year term):

D Jim Ellis

Executive VP - E-Membership (2 year term):

D Warren Kuhfeld

Executive VP - Legal (3 year term):

D Dave Thomas

Executive VP - Special Events (2 year term):

D Joe Schloss

Members-at-Iarge (3 year term - 2 positions):

D Bruce Raver

Vote For2:

D John Conley Williams

Signature ____________ _

ISCA # _____________ _

ALL BALLOTS MUST BE RECEIVED BY

DECEMBER 31, 2004

You can vote in one of three ways:

By making a copy of this ballot and sending it to

Kevin Doyle 1533 Kaminaka Drive

Hololulu, HI 96816-1813

or

E-mailing Kevin Doyle at [email protected] and

indicating your choice of candidates,

or

voting in the members only section of the

ISeA website at http://scouttrader.org

Biographical Sketchs of the candidates

can be found on pages 9 and 22 of

this Journal.


Chairman of the Board - Terry Grove Terry Grove joined Cub Scouting in 1951 at the age of nine earning his Arrow of Light and the God and

Country Award. During his years in Boy Scouting, he traveled to Philmont and served on the Order of the Arrow Service Corps at the 1960 Jamboree. Terry earned his Eagle Scout Award in 1956.

As an adult he has been accorded the God and Service award, District Award of Merit and the Silver Beaver. In addition to receiving the Vigil Honor in the Order of the Arrow, he has participated on Wood Badge staff. His interest in the collection and displaying Boy Scout memorabilia began in 1981 while serving as an Assistant Scoutmaster for the Thomas A. Edison Council's Jamboree contingent. This initial interest has transformed into a love for the research of Eagle Scout materials of which he has written the book, A Comprehensive Guide to the Eagle Scout Award. He has had several articles published in collector magazines and his display of Eagle materials were on view at the Boy Scout National Museum in Irving, Texas.

In 2001 he received the first Scouting Memorabilia Distinguished Service Award from the International Scout Collectors Association (ISCA) for his work. Terry continues to research and display his collection for others to enjoy.

In addition to his Scouting, Terry is the minister of the Altamonte Chapel, UCC in Altamonte Springs, Florida.

EVP Administration - Bruce Dordick Bruce Dordick is an Eagle Scout with three palms, a Vigil Honor member of Unami Lodge 1 and recipient of

the OA Founders Award. He has been active in Scouting as a Cub Scout through Boy Scouting and as an adult leader, serving as a member of his pack and troop committees, Assistant Scoutmaster, Scouting Coordinator, and Troop Committee Chairman.

Bruce has served his council as a campmaster crew chief for over 15 years and his Lodge as the 2000 and 2004 NOAC Contingent Advisor, Brotherhood Advisor, Special Projects Advisor and Associate Lodge Advisor. Bruce has been the coordinator of the Philadelphia Trade-O-Ree for the last five years, where all proceeds go to benefit the Lodge youth membership and Council Campership Endowment Fund. He began his collecting of BSA Memorabilia in the early 1960s as a member of The Traders organization and currently collects OA names and numbers and Southeastern Pennsylvania camps and activity patches. Bruce served as a member of the board of NSCS at the time of the merger with ASTA and has been a board member of ISCA since its founding, serving as a member at large and most recently as the Vice President for Administration. Bruce is a State Editor for Blue Book and a member of the American Scouting Historical Society.

He feels that with his long Scouting experience and many years of active participation in our hobby, along with his ability to interact with the Scouting community at all levels and the Scout collecting community, he can continue to contribute in helping to expand the horizons of ISCA.

EVP Administration - Sam Fairchild Sam Fairchild is Scoutmaster of Green Bar Bill Hillcourt's Troop One in Mendham, New Jersey. He helped

Bill start the Scouting Century Foundation before Bill's untimely death, and continues on as the Foundation's Executive Director. Sam is dedicated to preserving Scouting's history for the benefit of the millions of Scouts and Scouters who will never set foot in a Scouting Museum, and has directed the Foundation's development of a series of projectable, docented exhibits for use in a number of Scouting venues. He has collected for forty years, and was apprentice to legendary collector Eddie R. Jones, his first Scoutmaster. Sam believes intently in ISCA's aggressive program to expand, and wants to find creative ways to support that program. He also believes that his history preservation perspective can be valuable to ISCA in its planning and decisionmaking. Sam served as the editor of NSCS's Journal, one of the forerunners of the ISCA Journal. He is a member of the Executive Board of Patriots Path Council, and is an Eagle Scout and Vigil Honor member of Woapalanne Lodge. Sam lives in Mendham, New Jersey with his wife Linda, daughter Efizabeth, and son, First Class Scout, Sammy.

EVP Communications - Jim Ellis Jim Ellis is the current Executive Vice President of Communications and the Editor of the ISCA Journal. He

has held both positions since August 2001. Active in Scouting since 1958 when he joined the Cub Scouts, Jim has served in numerous volunteer

positions over the past 46 years. He has been a staff member at the last 6 National Jamborees, serving as Photo Editor for the Jamboree Today during the 1989 and 1993 Jamborees.

As a long time collector, Jim is a co-author of An Aid To Collecting Selected Council Shoulder Patches With Valuation Guide and the National Jamboree Memorabilia Guide Book. He writes the National Jamboree Column for the Journal and is a former editor of the National Scout Collectors Society Quarterly.

Jim, his wife and son live in Las Vegas where he is the Director of Operations for the Las Vegas International Scouting Museum.

EVP eMembership - Warren Kuhfeld Warren Kuhfeld grew up in Scouting in Greater Cleveland Council and Cuyahoga Lodge where he was

awarded Ordeal through Vigil. He is currently an Assistant Scoutmaster in Troop 845 in Carrboro, NC (mostly working to help new Scouts advance to First Class) and is a member of Occoneechee Lodge. Warren started trading at the 1973 Jamboree, and was immediately hooked. He specialize in pre-FDL OA and OH-WV-KY OA issues. Warren also collects CSPs, JSPs, CPs, merit badges, NC OA, and quite a few other things. He has extensive writing, programming, and web publishing experience. As the first EVP eMembership, Warren developed 24 articles for the new ISCA eMember web site. He has plans for many more with help from the experts in various areas.

EVP Legal - Dave Thomas Dave Thomas is the current Executive Vice President - Legal and General Counsel for ISCA, and has

served in that position since ISCA's formation in January, 2001. Dave was instrumental in handling the legal work of the merger of the hobby's two major collecting organizations, ASTA and NSCS. Prior to that merger In 2001, Dave was the Executive Vice President - Legal for NSCS. Dave is a life member of ISCA and was a life member of NSCS. Dave has also served as ISCA's Ethics Committee Chairman, Nominations Committee Chairman, and DSA Committee Chairman.

Dave began his Scouting career in 1962, and has been active in Scouting in some capacity for over the last 40 years. He is an Eagle Scout and Vigil Honor member of the Order of the Arrow and a James E. West Fellow. In addition to numerous training awards he has been presented with the District Award of Merit. Presently, Dave serves on the Longhorn Council Endowment Committee as Chairman of the James E. West Society subcommittee.

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KHAKI CRIMPED MERIT BADGES ISSUED BETWEEN 1947 AND 1960

by Fred Duersch, Jr -/SCA # 3012

Khaki crimped merit badges were first introduced in 1947 after the end of WWII. They replaced the merit badges made from lighter weight cloth during WWII commonly referred to as fine twill or sand twill. The cloth reverted back to the heavier cloth used prior to 1942 except the khaki color was darker green. Khaki crimped merit badges continued until late 1960 or early 1961 when the new rolled edge merit badges were introduced. It is impossible to accurately determine how many of each merit badge was actually made. However, number earned totals can be gleaned from the BSA Annual Reports To Congress and provide one of the factors in determining scarcity. Other references include Official Uniform and Insignia Guides, Boy Scout Handbooks, and Merit Badge Requirements Booklets.

COMPLETING A COLLECTION - Assembling a complete mint collection of khaki crimped merit badges is still very do-able for the serious collector. A collection containing more than 85% of the merit badges can likely be assembled in excellent-to-mint condition for under $1 ,000. Obtaining the last 10 to 15% will likely be expensive unless the collector is very lucky. Aerodynamics, Aeronautics, and Airplane Design remain the toughest khaki crimped merit badges to come by. There have been a number of recent discoveries of the scarcer merit badges contributing to lower prices and increased availability. However, it is definitely much more expensive than when I started collecting merit badges in the late 1980's. Back then there were few merit badge collectors and most memorabilia dealers didn't want to be bothered with merit badges. It was not uncommon to go to a trade-o-ree and buy a large plastic bag or cardboard box containing almost every variety of merit badges for $5 or $10. Those days are gone forever.

CRIMPED VERSUS FLAT - Some merit badge collectors prefer storing and displaying their khaki crimped merit badges open and flat while others favor displaying them crimped the way they were issued. See Figure 1. My preference is to display them crimped as they were originally issued. I have developed a re-crimping procedure that restores the merit badges to an almost original appearance. I have re-crimped merit badges for a number of collectors who attest to the quality of my work. They tell me my recrimped merit badges are difficult to tell from the original. I have difficulty understanding why someone would use a steam iron to un-crimp and flatten a khaki crimped merit badge or any crimped merit badge for that matter. It just doesn't make any sense at all.

open and flat open and flat front crimped reverse crimped

SUBJECT APPEARANCE AND COLOR DIFFERENCES - Khaki crimped merit badges came with the outer embroidered circle in at least three shades of green. Almost without exception, this also correlates with a variation in the design such as color, stitching thickness, letter size, and configuration. Examples exist in many khaki crimped merit badges including Conservation, Textiles, Citrus Fruit Culture, Photography, Beef Production, etc. See Figure 2. The dark green outer embroidered circle seems to occur early on when khaki crimped merit badges were first introduced. Sometimes the cloth color appears to be lighter and not quite the normal green khaki. Generally speaking, the lighter color should be considered as a narrow tan merit badge. I have found the green khaki to be a distinctive color all its own when compared to the narrow tan variety and have had little difficulty in identification.

dark green border medium green border yellow-green border

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SIZING OR STIFFENER ON BACK - All khaki crimped merit badges came with an adhesive-like coating on back. The coating acts as a stiffener to help the merit badge retain its shape and appearance. The coating will disappear after repeated washing rendering the merit badge limp and smaller in size.

VARIATIONS IN CRIMPED EDGE WIDTH - The outer edge on most khaki crimped merit badges is about 1/16" although there is some variation. I've seen the outer edge as wide as 1/8". Also, khaki crimped merit badges are not always perfectly centered on the cloth. This can vary as much as 1/16" depending on the care given in the factory crimping process. See Figure 3.

1/16" centered off center 1 /8" centered off center

Following is a list of all of the khaki crimped merit badges with number earned totals, scarcity ranking, and value range. The suggested value range applies to excellent-to-mint merit badges and should be scaled downward for merit badges in lesser condition.

NUMBER MERIT BADGE EARNED SCARCITY VALUE

Aerodynamics 2867 10 500 to 550 Airplane Design 3154 10 500 to 550 Aeronautics 7174 10 500 to 550 Nut Culture 896 9 300 to 350 Citrus Fruit Culture 1480 9 275 to 300 Airplane Structure 6297 9 250 to 275 Soil Management 2520 8 200 to 250 Taxidermy 1642 8 200 to 250 Fruit Culture 3299 8 150 to 200 Foundry Practice 2279 8 150 to 200 Stalking 3351 7 100 to 125 Beekeeping (black bee) 2652 7 90 to 110 Blacksmithing 3855 7 90 to 110 Fruit & Nut Growing 3486 6 40 to 50 Beekeeping (top view embroidered) 4589 6 40 to 50 Farm Arrangement 4399 6 40 to 50 Beekeeping (side view) 3869 6 40 to 50 Cotton Farming 4255 6 40 to 50 Interpreting 5621 6 40 to 50 Small Grains & Cereal Foods/Small Grains 5505 6 40 to 50 Seamanship 6486 5 25 to 35 Grasses, Legumes, & Forage Crops/Forage Crops 7162 5 20 to 30 Textiles 8005 5 20 to 30 Skiing 8181 5 20 to 30 Sheep Farming 8787 5 20 to 30 Astronomy (Saturn) 8799 5 20 to 30 Journalism 9477 5 20 to 30 Leatherwork (awl) 9799 5 20 to 30 Cement Work 11705 5 20 to 30 Rocks & Minerals 12504 5 20 to 30 Pets 11293 5 20 to 30 Landscape Gardening/Landscaping 12378 4 10 to 15 Botany 12281 4 10 to 15 Zoology 12739 4 10 to 15 Signaling 12305 4 10 to 15 Pottery 13626 4 10 to 15


NUMBER MERIT BADGE EARNED SCARCITY VALUE

Dramatics 13166 4 10 to 15 Pigeon Raising 14139 4 10 to 15 Sculpture 14131 4 10 to 15 Farm Records & Bookkeeping/Farm Records 14079 4 10 to 15 Radio 16666 4 10 to 15 Architecture 17102 3 5 to 8 Geology 17709 3 5 to 8 Insect Life 19179 3 5 to 8 Agriculture 19214 3 5 to 8 Corn Farming 22087 3 5 to 8 Beef Production 22357 3 5 to 8 Railroading 23189 3 5 to 8 Wood Turning 24077 3 5 to 8 Photography (tripod) 24224 3 5 to 8 Photography (camera) 25524 3 5 to 8 Hog & Pork Production/Hog Production 24915 3 5 to 8 Business 25791 3 5 to 8 Aviation 26281 3 5 to 8 Conservation 26675 3 5 to 8 Astronomy (star) 28950 3 5 to 8 Surveying 28499 3 5 to 8 Dairying 28887 3 5 to 8 Bugling 29941 3 5 to 8 Archery 31352 2 3 to 5 Salesmanship 31691 2 3 to 5 First Aid To Animals 32764 2 3 to 5 Indian Lore 35160 2 3 to 5 Farm Mechanics 36667 2 3 to 5 Masonry 37576 2 3 to 5 Chemistry 37611 2 3 to 5 Farm Layout & Building Arrangement 37679 2 3 to 5 Reptile Study 38860 2 3 to 5 Rabbit Raising 41012 2 3 to 5 Weather 45692 2 3 to 5 Poultry Keeping 46484 2 3 to 5 Gardening 51278 2 3 to 5 Coin Collecting 53184 2 3 to 5 Machinery 54785 2 3 to 5 Farm Home & It's Planning 55487 2 3 to 5 Automobiling 55495 2 3 to 5 World Brotherhood 60850 2 3 to 5 Cycling 61159 2 3 to 5 Plumbing 64486 2 3 to 5 Printing 64823 2 3 to 5 Rowing (swim trunks & pink skin) 70933 2 3 to 5 Horsemanship 71517 2 3 to 5 Physical Development 73136 2 3 to 5 Dog Care 75077 2 3 to 5 Fingerprinting 76939 2 3 to 5 Mechanical Drawing 81184 2 3 to 5 Painting 88589 2 3 to 5 Animal Industry 91415 1 2 to 4 Citizenship (Civics) 92402 1 2 to 4 Woodwork (stool) 98976 1 2 to 4 Electricity 104029 1 2 to 4 Stamp Collecting 106460 1 2 to 4 Wildlife Management 108009 1 2 to 4 Marksmanship 109076 1 2 to 4 Bookbinding 112397 1 2 to 4 Leathercraft/Leatherwork (shoe) 113065 1 2 to 4 Rowing (swim suit & white skin) 118525 1 2 to 4 Bird Study 122226 1 2 to 4


MERIT BADGE

Soil & Water Conservation Metalwork Pathfinding Basketry Art Public Speaking Music Athletics Carpentry/Woodwork (plane) Canoeing Hiking Angling/Fishing Wood Carving Forestry Swimming (swim trunks & pink skin) Citizenship In The Nation Nature Citizenship In The Home Pioneering Reading Scholarship Citizenship In The Community Lifesaving Public Health Swimming (swim suit & white skin) Personal Health/Personal Fitness Safety Camping Firemanship Cooking First Aid Home Repairs


NUMBER EARNED SCARCITY VALUE

133817 2 to 4 136362 2 to 4 138146 2 to 4 145904 2 to 4 179035 2 to 4 192091 2 to 4 196358 2 to 4 200697 2 to 4 201650 2 to 4 203925 2 to 4 213642 2 to 4 225168 2 to 4 225181 2 to 4 227994 2 to 4 241906 2 to 4 243383 2 to 4 268979 2 to 4 293691 2 to 4 315829 2 to 4 327730 2 to 4 367898 2 to 4 408959 2 to 4 425247 2 to 4 428894 2 to 4 477113 2 to 4 477605 2 to 4 483302 2 to 4 485898 2 to 4 611787 2 to 4 756832 2 to 4 774452 2 to 4 872313 2 to 4

PICTURE OF THE QUARTER

Jackie Cooper, Deanna Durbin, and Me/vyn Doug/as

star in

That Certain Age (1938)

Courtesy the Las Vegas International Scouting Museum archives

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RECENT SIGHTINGS ON eBAY

On Patch-L in July Bob Levin reported that the executive board of Tisquantum 164 had voted that the lodge would begin using the council number on their patches (249) instead of their OA number. This is the first instance that we have heard about where the new national policy on numbers has had an effect. It will be interesting to see if this trend spreads and how the collecting community will respond.

Mikanakawa 101 has issued a flap (600 made) in honor of longtime Scouter Ric Wilkins who retires in 2004 after 24 years of outstanding service to Circle Ten Council. A note on eBay said he is beloved by all who know him. He has served as OA Staff Advisor and Section Staff Advisor, and is also noted for his work improving Camps Wisdom, Cherokee, Constantin, and James Ray. The flap displays symbols representing all of these camps.

A Boqui 453F1 (rarity 10) with light glue stains on the back (and possibly lightly sewn) was offered on eBay in September but did not sell. There was one bid at the minimum of $1000, but that did not reach the reserve. Buy-it-now was an option at $1600. We are aware of two other 453F1 being available at either the Pre-NOAC TOR in Des Moines or the more recent Philadelphia TOR. That is a large market supply for a first flap of this rarity.

Also in September a large group of Tennessee Scout items was offered with a minimum bid of $25. The key items in this lot were four Ittawamba 235 F1 first flaps (rarity 8). After spirited last second bidding the group sold for $3309. The description of lot mentioned only "1950's patches, neckerchiefs, slides, hat," but still brought a good price.

In a follow up to this sale, a bidder received a second chance offer on this lot as a message through eBay. This seemed suspicious since there were multiple bidders above the person receiving the offer and no one would have two of a lot like this. An attempt to get more information from the individual offering the second chance got a badly spelled and garbled reply. A second request for the offerer's ebay name and a reason why the lot was being offered as a second chance got no response. This suggests that the offer was a scam attracted by the high selling price. A legitmate second chance offer will be listed on your "my eBay" page, and this one was not. We heard at the Philadelphia TOR that another trader was offered a second chance at a $1000+ item under similarly suspicious circumstances.

Dave Hultberg writes that Susquehannock 11 issued two twopiece sets for NOAC 2004 that also commemorate 25 years at the power plant of Three Mile Island. The trader set has a yellow border (250 made) and the delegate set has a red border (50 made).

A very cool old Pennsylvania shirt was offered on eBay in September that featured what looked like an Ajapeu 33 F3 being

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worn literally as the pocket flap. It looked like the pocket flap that was originally part of the shirt had been removed and replaced by the OA flap. We had never seen that before. The shirt had some other badges on it, including a nice felt Camp Ockanickum badge, and sold for $128.

Gordon Hamilton writes that Ktemaque 15 issued three twopiece sets for NOAC 2004. That with a red border is the trader set, which sold for $10 each. The white border set was for contingent members, limited to two per person. The blue border set was sold for $25 each as a fund raiser. There was also offered 25 sets of the three together as a limited collector's edition for $100.

We regret having to report that a new seller (xflip97esales) has begun offering on eBay an extensive list of fake OA badges. These include everything from fakes of rare first flaps and old odd shapes (like Nick Stoner 418A 1 and Amochol 424X1), to even fakes of really old fakes (two new Wawonaissa 10 fakes). There are five new Baluga 538 fakes from this seller, as another example. John Pannell has been attempting to keep track of what has been offered on oaimages.com. Go to his site, click on "First Flaps and Other Collections" near the top of the site, choose "Focus on Fakes" from the menu, and then choose "Xflip97 Fakes". When we last looked in late September over 190 new OA fakes have been offered by this seller and no end in site. We haven't seen any fake offered twice yet, or heard about them being available as second chance offers. He is also offering fakes of military badges. Each new OA fake must now be cataloged to help collectors remain aware of them.

Amangamek Wipit 470 made 100 of their NOAC 2004 two-piece sets for delegates (blue rolled edge; trading set has dark yellow rolled edge). Each delegate was given two sets for free (72 were distributed). The remainder was held by the lodge for sale in upcoming event auctions. This sounds like the latest example of a lodge that has been issuing lots of patches as fund-raisers, but then creates some real rarities that the very collectors they want to encourage have little chance to obtain.

A Saukenuk 504 F1 with a thread break in the name sold on eBay in early October for $910. The patch was mint but only the S and last K in the name were complete. The A and U of the name were partially present, and the other letters in the name were missing.

Last time we described the new ghost flaps from Nentego 20 (the S26 is all red, the S27 is all white, and S28 is all blue). Rich Turner wrote to mention that the difference between the S27 and the earlier S21 white ghost is that the S27 has a rounded bottom and the S21 has a pointed bottom. Rich also tells us that Nentego made 500 of its semi-ghost NOAC 04 flap (S29) and 500 of its NOAC 04 trader set (S30/X6- red border). They made 100 of their delegate set with gold mylar border (8311 X7).


Navajo 98 has issued three flap-shaped chenilles to be given out in exchange for donations to their 11 th Memorabilia Auction and Trade-O-Ree. Twenty-five gold bordered chenilles were issued, each for a donation of 15 OA flaps. They issued 40 with gray borders for a donation of 10 flaps and 55 chenilles with red borders for a donation of 5 flaps.

Bill Leavitt writes that Pamola 211 issued two two-piece sets for NOAC 2004. The trader set has a red border and was sold to members for $8 ($3 for the flap and $5 for the pocket piece) if you bought up to 25. If you bought more than 25 the price fell to $6.50 ($2.50 and $4). They made 50 individually numbered sets with gold borders. Set #1 was kept by the lodge. Sets #2-5 were set aside for lodge auctions. Sets #6-50 were sold to members.

Dennis Seaman writes that Shenshawpotoo 276 has issued a new chenille, having retired their old one. They made 100 of the new chenille that is restricted to one per life for Brotherhood members and one per year for Vigil members. Their lodge also issued four semi-ghosted flaps in 2004, including 500 of a trader issue for the 2004 SR-7A conclave, 300 delegate flaps for the same event, 500 NOAC 2004 trader flaps, and 250 NOAC 2004 delegate flaps.

Dana Bonstrom writes that Apoxky Aio 300 has issued a new OBV set with the arrow, the bear, and the Native American all pointing left. Their previous OBV set (S23, S24, and S25) had the arrow, bear, and Native American facing right. When the lodge ordered the new set, the manufacturer delivered the patches with the arrow pointing left, but bear and Native American facing right. These patches were returned to the manufacturer and are supposed to be destroyed.

Alan Young writes that Papago 494 issued three flaps as NOAC fundraisers. The designs feature parrots found in southeastern Arizona and the feathers of these birds are portrayed in the Hohokam regalia featured on earlier 494 NOAC two-piece sets. They issued 500 of each flap and they are dubbed "Brotherhood", "Cheerful", and "Service". Some of the Service flaps were given special borders: 120 with copper borders were given to NOAC 2004 contingent members; 40 with gold mylar and 40 with silver mylar borders were to be used as gifts by the two lodge chiefs for 2004. The lodge's elections follow the school year so they generally will have two different chiefs during a calendar year.

Jeff Goldsmith reports that Yokahu 506 has issued two flaps for its 50th anniversary, one with black background and one with white background. The lodge also issued a new neckerchief and a second neckerchief for delegates to the 2004 NE-2A Conclave.

Bob White 87 created a topical design for their 2004 SR-5 Dixie Fellowship flap. The center of the flap features a modern guitar with the OA sash on the fret board. In a play on words relating to the AC/DC rock band, the flap says "AC/Dixie."

Nentico 12 has always been one of the more conservative lodges regarding new patches and new designs, and is one of the few original lodges to have never issued a chenille. There has been talk over the years of making a chenille, but no action. It appears someone has taken matters into their own hands, however, as a chenille that appears to be a poor reproduction of the 12X1 was offered on eBay among other Baltimore items in one lot in October.


In a recent conversation, Roy More, President of The Scout Patch Auction (TSPA), had the following comments about the relevance of eBay to Scout collecting. He estimates that eBay Boy Scout sales are relatively stable now at approximately $5M per year. This is up from $3.5M a few years ago. The number of listings seems to have reached a plateau, however, where they used to be increasing steadily. In a given month there are roughly 3,000 sellers and 3,000 buyers in the Boy Scouts category. TSPA, Brush Creek, and Streamwood account for approximately 20% of all Boy Scout listings, with TSPA offering half of that.

It is also his opinion that eBay is primarily a low end forum. The average selling price of a Scout item is under $20 and the median is much lower. Roy says that roughly 40% of TSPA sales are private placements that never see a list or auction. These sales are typically high end items valued at $1000 and up. He believes that eBay falls down as a selling venue for these high end items, particularly ~A. He describes it as a 'hitch-hiker' problem. One basically sticks out a patch, hoping to be picked up preferably by two or more collectors. This may not happen in any given week, especially for better items.

Another good point from Roy is that eBay is a 'sterile' environment. It offers little in terms of education, other than perhaps an image (of variable quality) and price realized. Many sellers can tell collectors nothing about what they are offering. For that reason TSPA continues to encourage trade-o-rees and the support of ISCA, even though neither are directly financially rewarding to dealers. He particularly values face-to-face discussions or printed resources in your hands, over digital options (web sites, new groups). On that last point, we find a lot of value in digital resources, but plan to continue attending tradeo-rees when we can.

Speaking of trade-o-rees, we got back to the Philadelphia TOR for the first time in several years and can report that it has come back very well under new management. Sponsored for the last three years by Unami 1 and organized by ISCA members Mark Chilutti and Bruce Dordick, it is back to being one of the best in country.

Quick comments:

• A nice Idaho Explorer shirt that carried an Explorer Silver Award patch, four craftsman awards, a 1958 NOAC patch, and lightly sewn, stiff, Ma-I-Nu 363S1 first flap (rarity 9) sold in September for $650.

John Papp wrote us to report that the new Haudenosaunee 19 flap is set at sunrise, replacing earlier flaps that seemed to be set at daylight and night.

A lot of Wisconsin items including some 1960's camp patches, some Grant Pilgrimage items, and seven Chemokemon 226F1 first flaps sold on eBay in September for $1026.

• Rob Kutz sent us a scan of the Wahunsenakah 333 NOAC trader flap (black border) and estimated that 100 were made of the delegate flap with silver mylar border.

Bill Topkis told us that Blue Book V listed 50,274 issues: 34,026 standard issues; 4,923 chapter issues; and 11,325 event issues.

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• Guneukitschik 317 made 100 of its NOAC 2 piece sets and 50 of the NOAC patches issued on neckerchiefs.

Rare OA that did not sell recently when bids did not meet the sellers reserve included these:

19R1 slight use $799 (sold privately at this minimum) 241 F1 hawk sewn $4100 FF ($4500-5000) 489F1 $610 FF ($900-$1000)

Here is a list OA issues of note that changed hands recently in Internet auctions or in private sales for which we have certain information. Figures in parentheses for first flaps (FF) are estimated values for these unused patches published in SCJ V2#2 by Dave Thomas, a co-author of First Flaps In Color.

1 R1 $2975 1f1a $405 FF ($65-100) 12x1 $3000 19s1 $1465 FF ($2300-2700) 38f1 Inali $293 FF ($485-500) 46c2 Eriez $2600 74f1 lightly sewn $400 FF ($575-625) 135s1 $247 FF ($300-350) 149f1 $86 FF ($175-200) 167x2 Woapink $192 197eX1948 "Conclave" $240 201 F1 Koo $293 FF ($400-450) 202f1 $510 FF ($325-350) 219f1 worn $3550 FF ($4750-5000) 236f1 $459 FF ($135-160) 241w1 haken FF $144 ($150-175) 243s1 $296 FF ($225-250) 273f1 $462 FF ($275-325) 280s1 $305 FF ($325-375) 290f1 $147 FF (300-325) 309p1 on nlc Tsutsusid $627 341f1 Chief $123 FF ($375-425) 388s1 $960 FF ($1200-1350) 398f1 Nia $304 FF ($125-150) 403f1 $540 FF ($450-500) 418A 1 Nick Stoner $1814 432f1 $566 FF ($550-600) 438f1 Wah $550 FF ($600-650) 441f1 $710 FF ($650-750) 457f1 $188 FF ($375-400) 461f1 a $521 FF ($300-325) 470YB1 $665 489f1 $750 FF ($900-1000) 524a1 $865 533c1 $650 548s1 $202 FF ($125-145) 551 s1 $405 FF ($450-500) 556s1 $811 FF ($900-1100)

We have no big deal for this issue but we do have an unusual deal. Back in April, Tracy Mesler wrote to report what is possibly a new first in OA collecting: the first edible, chocolate flap, issued by Mikinakawa 101. The lodge made 500 chocolate flaps (milk, not dark) and sold them at their Ordeal, $5 each, two for $7, or three for $10. Tracy says they were official size and pattern, approved by the lodge's leadership, and ordered by the lodge advisor. Tracy included a photograph of Lodge Chief Brandon Ledbetter wearing one. Now that the door is open (and a mold made), there is talk of future flaps made of white chocolate, peppermint, peanut butter, and fruit roll ups.

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Please drop us a note with news that you think would be of interest to other collectors. If you have information from your Lodg~ ~r Section to share, send an e-mail, photocopies (with descriptions and preferably in color), or scan to either of us. You reach Dave at [email protected] or Bruce at [email protected]. For publication we need B&W images of new Issues scanned at 300 dots per inch (DPI) or higher. We will trade for new issues if you wish.

Contributors: Tracy Mesler, John Potter, Wayne Farrar, John Snead, Randy Worcester, Dana Bonstom, Brad Estabrook, David Fry, Bill Leavitt, Dennis Seaman, John Shaffer, Alan Young, John Papp, Rich Turner, Gordon Hamilton, Dave Hultberg, Jeff Goldsmith, Randy Holden, Pete James, Bob Levin, Rob Kutz, and Roger Schustereit.

New Issues

5c16 Blk _ Red Wht _; NOAC04; "ISU"; [150] 5r Red R Lbl Red _; "Kittatinny Award 2004" 11539 Red C M/C Blk _; 2 piece set; [250] 11 x1 0 Red C M/C _ Grn FDL; NOAC 04; 2 piece set; "25 Years Three Mile Island"; [250] 11540 Yel C M/C Blk _; 2 piece set; [50] 11x11 Yel C M/C _ Grn FDL; NOAC 04; 2 piece set;

"25 Years Three Mile Island"; [50] 155 Red R M/C Blk M/C FDL; NOAC04; 2 piece set 15x Red R M/C Blk M/C FDL; NOAC04; 2 piece set 155 Wht R M/C Blk M/C FDL; NOAC04; 2 piece set 15x Wht R M/C Blk M/C FDL; NOAC04; 2 piece set 155 Blu R M/C Blk M/C FDL; NOAC04; 2 piece set 15x Blu R M/C Blk M/C FDL; NOAC04; 2 piece set 19510? Red R M/C Blk Yel FDL; sunrise scene 20529 Red R Red Red Red FDL; NOAC 04; [500];

Semi-ghost with LBL fish and YEL sunrise 20530 Red R Dbl Grn Grn FDL; NOAC 04; [500];

Fundraiser 2 piece set w/X6 20x6 Red R Dbl Red Red BSA; NOAC 04; [500];

Fundraiser 2 piece set with/S30; button hole cut 20531 Gmy R Dbl Grn Grn FDL; NOAC 04; [100];

Delegate 2 piece set w/X7 20x7 Gmy R Dbl Red Red BSA; NOAC 04; [100];

Delegate 2 piece set with/S31; button hole cut 225 Wht R M/C Red Org FDL; NOAC 04 225 Red R M/C Red Org FDL 33eS Blk R M/C Tan Brn FDL; "2004 Camporee" 3456? Blk R M/C Wht Wht FDL; 505 Gmy C Red Wht Red FDL; 2004 conclave host 505 Gmy C Red Wht Red FDL;

2004 conclave service 505 Gmy C Red Wht Red FDL; 2004 conclave staff 505 Red R Wht Gmy Yel FDL;

"2004 National Service Award" 875 Wht R Blk Red Blk FDL; 2004 SR-5; "AC/Dixie" 98c1 Dyl _ Wht Red _; [25] 98c2 Gry _ Wht Red _; [40] 98c3 Red _ Wht Red _; [55] 1015 Gry R Blu Lbl Blk BSA; "Ric Wilkins 1980-2004" 1035 Gry R Dgr M/C Dgr FDL; NOAC04; 2 piece set 103x Gry R Dbl Yel Org FDL; NOAC04; 2 piece set 103x Gry R Dgr Yel Blk FDL; conclave service lodge 1035 Wht R Wht Wht FDL; 2004 conclave staff;

White ghost with tan details on groundhog 1035 Smy R M/C Smy M/C FDL; 2 piece set


103s Smy R M/C _ Blu FDL; 2 piece set; "70 Years of Scouting"; camp anniversary

104s52b Grn R Wht Blk Grn FDL; SR-7B; hidden "A" 104j12? Red C Wht Red _; like S1; CD 117s Gry R M/C Wht Red FDL; "1 st Year Arrowman" 171 s M/C C M/C Red DBL FDL; 236s M/C C M/C M/C Red FDL; 2004 SR-5 delegate;

"Christmas at Dixie" 264s Smy R Lbl Wht Wht FDL; 1944-2004;

"Sixty Years of Service"; death flap 276s Red R Blk Yel Yel FDL; semi-ghost;

"2004 SR-7A Conclave"; trader; [500] 276s Grn R Blk Yel Yel FDL; semi-ghost;

"2004 SR-7A Conclave"; delegate; [300] 276s Dbl R Blk Yel Yel FDL; NOAC04; trader; [500] 276s Blk R Blk Yel Yel FDL; NOAC04; delegate; [250] 276c Yel _ Lbl Red _; [100] 300s Blk R Lbl Red Red FDL; ORD

Arrow, Bear, Native American face left 300s Blk R Lbl Red Red FDL; BRO

Arrow, Bear, Native American face left 300s Blk R Lbl Red Red FDL; VIG

Arrow, Bear, Native American face left 331s Blk R M/C Blk Grn FDL; 2004 SR-7B?;

"Pirates of the Cape Fear"


333s Red R Wht Wht Red FDLs; "Conclave 2004" 333s Blk R Blk Wht Dyl FDL; NOAC04; trader 333s Smy R Blk Wht Dyl FDL; NOAC04; delegate 341 N Red P Pyl Red Red FDL; EMB;

"Eagle Scout BSA" 459s Blk R Gry Yel Gry FDL; 2004 SR-5 Host Lodge 494s Grn R M/C Wht Wht FDL; NOAC04;

"Brotherhood"; [500] 494s Grn R M/C Wht Wht FDL; NOAC04;

"Service"; [500] 494s Cop R M/C Wht Wht FDL;

"Service"; [120] 494s Smy R M/C Wht Wht FDL;

"Service"; [40] 494s Gmy R M/C Wht Wht FDL;

"Service"; [40] 498s Yel R Dgr Wht _; 2004 W1-B Conclave 506s Smy R Blk Wht Yel FDLs; "Convencion 2002" 506s Gmy R Blk Dyl Org FDLs; "1954-2004/50" 506s Gmy R Wht Dyl Org FDLs; "1954-2004/50" 506n __ Wht Blu _; SSC 506n __ Gry Blk _; SSC; "Conclave 2004" 525s Blk R Blk Wht Red FDL; NOAC04

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WRONG AGAIN!

My December 2003 prediction that RWS from a new name council would be unlikely to surface has proven wrong for the second time. The GAMEHAVEN AREA/COUNCIL RWS surfaced at preNOAC via a flea market. That puts the number of known RWS to just over 860.

Three new 1/2KR and four new 1/2RW have been reported. The khaki and red ones are HAWKEYE COUNCIL 1/2KR, QUIVIRA 1/2KR, and SCENIC TRAILS CO. 1/2KR. The red and white ones are CANAL ZONE COUNCIL 1/2RW, McKINLEY AREA 1/2RW, MIDDLE TENNESSEE 1/2RW, and STATE LINE COUNCIL 1/2RW. The Middle Tennessee 1/2RW has the unusual feature of having gauze all across the back. A visual check of just over 200 1/2RW revealed only 2 others with this feature and both had the cruder lettering typical of the earliest issues.

There are three new military base strips (mbs) to report. PINECASTLE A.F.B. located in Orlando, FL was renamed McCoy AFB. MAYPORT NAS is an active naval facility in FL. Perhaps the most interesting one is the FORT KNOX 1/2BB as it is only the second mbs to appear in Air Scout colors (the other being West Point). This one really surprised me as I joined Troop 128 at Fort Knox in 1953 and we were still wearing the 1/2KR. In my 3Y2 years in that troop, I never heard of an Air Scout unit on the base. So if anyone knows anything about it, then please let me know.

Only one new USA/ABR has surfaced, but it is an interesting one in that it has both the name of the city and country ANKARA TURKEY 1/2RW. As my best buddy had been in this troop before coming to Fort Knox, I know that it was worn by the Embassysponsored Troop 1 in Ankara.

Among the unusual and sometimes funny community strips, we have Big Level, Good Hope, Groom, Long Green, Sandwich, and Washington C. H. Does anyone know what the C.H. stands for in the last of these 6? The most interesting community strip is a khaki and red one that reads Weaverville, but the letters in Weaver are different from the letters in ville. They are cruder and not as evenly spaced. The entire back of the patch is covered in gauze. This suggests that National had a blank with the ending "ville" and would add in the first part of town names. This very much resembles the original style RWS that were blanks in which Council was on the bottom line and then the Council name was added across the top in cruder letters.

Thanks go out to the following individuals for their contributions; Tony Bosco, Bob Burt, Herb McCoggins, Roy More, and Bruce Shelley.


THE BADGE COLLECTORS CORNER

BADGES FROM NEW ZEALAND

by HAROLD DAW -/seA # 0273L

Welcome back to the wonderful world of international Scout badges. I apologize for missing the last issue but certain personal matters had to take precedence and by the time they were completed, there was no time left to get the article ready.

This edition I am going to explore two things that have been asked of me from the readers; catalogues and books on international badges and the country of New Zealand. I want to thank those people who have taken the time to write or email me with requests or questions. While I am not always timely in my response, I think I have answered all inquiries.

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Books on international Scout badges go back a number of years. Private collectors from many countries thought that it would be a good idea to let other collectors know what was out there to be collected and in doing so, really started the first of the varieties catalogues. These come from France, Africa, Canada, Mexico, New Zealand, USA, Australia, Spain, and the United Kingdom. They cover a range of topics and areas of interest in collecting international insignia and Scout related items. This has been added to significantly in the last few years with more people publishing specialized books on Scouting around the world. I know of books in preparation for Hong Kong, Portugal, and the Philippines at this very moment. I am sure there are others that I have not heard about.

Other publications that can be found include badge histories, Scouting history and catalogues from both the Scout organizations and the badge manufacturers. All of these add to the many resources out there about international Scout collecting. While not an area I specialize in, I have amassed quite a large volume of books and publications on badges around the world. One of the more interesting books I have is a copy of a Rover Scout's work for his Duke of Edinburgh Award. He looked at the history of Malaysian Scouting through the insignia. It is a fascinating read as

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well as a great document for the collecting of Malaysian badges.

One of the problems is the limited runs of some of these publications. In fact today some are only printed as they are ordered from the people that wrote them. This could mean as few as a dozen of these books are out there. I know that trying to get a hold of some of the old volumes is getting harder and harder every day. People either destroyed them when new catalogues came out or they have just disappeared. I am in the process of creating a Bibliography of the books I have at the moment but this is a task I expect to take a year or so since I can only really do this while back in Canada (I do not bring my books with me to Hong Kong as they are too heavy).

This edition I want to show some of the badges from New Zealand; a set of islands in the South Pacific that has a long and proud history of Scouting. Like many of the Scout badges around the world, many New Zealand badges depict the art, life, and culture of the local natives. In New Zealand these are the Maori people. These fantastic designs are worth collecting from just a beauty point. I don't think anyone would get tired of looking at these wonderful designs. New Zealand followed the British system of Scouting for many years before adopting one of their own. This means that some of the early insignia badges share the same use as those in Britain. After this, however, the national Scout organization created their own unique Scouting program. I am not sure of the exact number of program changes in New Zealand's history but there are a many very wonderful badges to collect.

Their district and area badges add to a collection and there are a number of these that are very rare and almost impossible to find. Most of the pictures I have included with this article are from the districts of New Zealand past and present. In the 25 years I have been collecting now, New Zealand badges have always been an interesting and fun area to collect. While I do not double list badges from the British times, I have about 2000 New Zealand badges on file in my database. Lots of room for collecting here.

There is a local collecting club in New Zealand that is a great resource to get in touch with traders. Once in a while they also hold an auction for some of the older and harder badges. They publish several books and catalogues on collecting New Zealand badges and keep them up-to-

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date very regularly. If you are interested please let me know and I will put you in touch with them. I can also supply my database list to you if you are interested. Just email me.

I would also like to propose a really special production volume during the centennial year of Scouting in 2007. While I have not thought out all the details I think it would be a great year to publish, as part of the ISCA journals, the rarest badges of the world. This would include World Jamboree's, Councils, OA and International Badges, Exonumia, and other interesting areas of collecting. What a great souvenir of this celebration. Just an idea to start mulling around.

Keep the correspondence coming in and any questions you have please feel free to email me at worldbadger@net vigator.com or [email protected]. You can also find lists of the badges of New Zealand on my website www.world badger.com. Have and wonderful Christmas and I hope all your badge dreams come true.

CANDIDATE BIOS (Continued From Page 9)

Dave is a co-author of the book, "First Flaps, In Color," published in 1998 and serves as the First Flap Editor for the "Blue Book." He has a complete OA number collection, complete OA First Flap collection, nearly complete OA name collection, and nearly complete Eagle Scout medal collection.

Dave has been a licensed attorney in the State of Texas for nearly 25 years and is very familiar with the legal responsibilities of ISCA's General Counsel. He serves as President of his law firm in Dallas, Texas, and has published numerous legal articles in his areas of expertise. Dave has also been a frequent seminar speaker on various legal topics.

EVP Special Events - Joe Schloss Joe Schloss has served as ISCA's EVP Marketing for for the past couple of years. He served on the boards of ISCA's

predecessor orgranizations, ASTA and NSCS. He is a vigil member of TaTanka Lodge 488 and Assistant Council Commissioner for San Gabriel Valley Council.

Joe first joined Scouting in 1959 as a Cub Scout. He is a recipient of the District Award of Merit, the Silver Beaver, and Distinguished Commissioner Award. He collects Philmont issues, first flaps, OA odd shapes, and early BSA documents.

Member at Large - Bruce Raver Bruce Raver is on the "front line" of Scouting, currently in his second year as a Scoutmaster in Albany, NY, where he served

as an Asst. Scoutmaster for four years. He is an active member of Lodge 19 and a member of the Thunderbird Club, a group of Rotary Scout Reservation supporters in Twin Rivers Council. As a youth, he served Lodge 410 as a Chapter Chief and later as the lodge Elections Officer. He attended his first NOAC in 1977 and was awarded the Vigil Honor in 1978.

Bruce is one of the top collectors of red & white council strips. He maintains RWSworld.com, an online resource for RWS collectors, and publishes the Comprehensive Red & White Council Strips Checklist, a reference book now in its 2nd edition. In February 2003, Bruce identified 12 fake RWS offered on eBay, alerted fellow collectors, and developed an online reference page comparing the fakes to the real issues.

He is a contributor to the Blue Book, oaimages.com, and gilwell.com. He also collects OA memorabilia from selected NY lodges and frequently displays items at chapter and lodge events and at TORs.

Member at Large - John Conley Williams Conley has been in Scouting since Cubs in 1958. He is an Eagle, Vigil, and has received several Cub Scout awards as an

adult leader. Conley is active in Scouting with his wife Theresa and three sons. Ther Heart 0' Texas Trader has been in business since 1990 as a full-time Scout Memorabilia dealer run by Conley and

Theresa full time. Conley has been a patch collector since his 1 st Scout Camp. He has co-authored several books including the Warshield,

Philmont Insignia. His contributions to the patch collecting community are well-known. Conley is the only dealer that has received the George Boxer Award, the equivalent of the ISCA DSA.

Conley is an integral part of Scout collecting and contributor to it's integrity and growth.


NEW ISSUES GALORE

They just keep coming ... new issues galore to report on once again this quarter. I've got even more in my folder to process but had to cut it off somewhere to get this to print for you. Seeing lots of Eagle Scout CSPs being issued by councils as well as lots of CSP shaped camp patches. More and more councils are also jumping on the FOS CSP bandwagon too. Every once in a while there is a new regular issue wear CSP that slips in among all the special issues too. A little bit of something for all varieties of collectors.

Thank You's - So many people provide information towards the new CSP listings that appear in this column - thanks for your steady stream of info! If I missed listing you - let me know and I'll catch you next time.

Grant Barlow, Scott Bracken, Mike Daley, AI Davis, Steve Dewick, David Fry, Larry Johnson, Bill Loeble, David Miura, Louis Olasco, Bob Phelps, Mike Rochowiak, John Shaffer, Bob Sleeper, David Stock, Jim Taylor, Nick Trierweiler, Ken Vasey, Sid Witrock, and of course ebay!

Baltimore Area SA-42 Calumet S-19. Moraine Trails SA-10

Bay Area SA-16

Connecticut Yankee SA-23

Occoneechee SA-28

Blue Mountain SA-14 Dan Beard SA-25

Burlington County SA-33 Grand Teton SA-97 Patriots Path SA-15

Cal Inland Empire S-110 Jersey Shore SA-6.1 Trapper Trails SA-38


Council Issue # Border Sky/Bkg FDL SE BSA Name Issue Description Qty Baden Powell SA-21 YEL WHT YEL RED Anteater (BC cartoon) Baden Powell SA-22 YEL RED YEL BLU Anteater (BC cartoon) 100 Baden Powell SA-23 YEL BLU YEL WHT Anteater (BC cartoon) 100 Baden Powell SA-24 GLD/M WHT YEL RED Anteater (BC ca rtoon) 50 Baden Powell SA-25 GLD/M RED YEL BLU Anteater (BC cartoon) 50 Baden Powell SA-26 GLD/M BLU YEL WHT Anteater (BC cartoon) 50 Baltimore Area SA-42 RED DKGRN RED YEL 29th Scottish Jamborette - Blair Atholl

2004 Bay Area SA-15 GRY R/W/B WHT WHT 1919-2004, (campership) Bay Area SA-16 BLK BLK BLK BLK NOAC 2004 Blue Mountain SA-14 BLU c/e LT BLU R/W/B WHT WashJam 2004 Buckeye TA-9:2 RED WHT GLD RED Junior Leadership Training Conference -

Staff Bucks County SA-68:1 GLD/M R/W/B none GLD 75th Anniversary, BucksCountyBSA.org Bucks County SA-85 LT BLU BLU YEL YEL Sesame Place 3000 Bucks County S-86 RED BLU YEL YEL Sesame Place 500 Buffalo Trail S-11b DKGRN LT BLU DKGRN DKGRN Dark green letters and fdl variety Burlington County SA-33 WHT WHT WHT WHT Philmont Trek 2004 (red dragon) 300 Burlington County SA-34 SIL/M RED/ORG ORG SIL/M Pine Tree - Tenth Anniversary 250 Burlington County SA-35 SIL/M RED/ORG ORG SIL/M Woodbadge 200 Burlington County SA-36 WHT YEL/GLD/ORG GRN GRN 76 Hunnikick (individually numbered) 100 Burlington County SA-37 ORG YEL/GLD/ORG GRN GRN 76 Hunnikick (individually numbered) 100 Cal Inland Empire SA-lOS SIL/M R/W/B BLK Camp Emerson 85th Anniversary - 2004

Buseker Scout Reservation

Cal Inland Empire SA-l06 GLD/M R/W/B BLK Camp Emerson 85th Anniversary - 2004 Buseker Scout Reservation

Cal Inland Empire SA-l07 RED R/W/B BLK Camp Emerson 85th Anniversary - 2004 Buseker Scout Reservaton (error)

Cal Inland Empire SA-l08 SIL/M R/W/B BLK Camp Emerson 85th Anniversary - 2004 Buseker Scout Reservaton (error)

Cal Inland Empire SA-l09 GLD/M R/W/B BLK Camp Emerson 85th Anniversary - 2004 Buseker Scout Reservaton (error)

Cal Inland Empire S-110 GRN R/W/B YEL BLK Route 66 - regular wear issue Cal Inland Empire SA-ll1 SIL/M R/W/B YEL BLK 25th Annual Memorabilia Auction Cal Inland Empire SA-112 GLD/M R/W/B YEL BLK 25th Annual Memorabilia Auction Calcasieu Area SA-8 BLK RED/GLD BLK WHT "04" on sail - "CE 50TH" ghosted on

stumps Calcasieu Area SA-9 BLK RED/M, ORG/M BLK WHT "04" on sail, org/m sun and reflection

Calcasieu Area S-10 BLK RED/GLD BLK WHT New regular wear issue Calcasieu Area SA-ll BLU RED YEL GRYw/ CE 50TH - Staff

BLK outline

Calumet SA-15:1 RED R/W/B GLD/M GLD/M Friends of Scouting 2001 Calumet SA-17:1 YEL R/W/B BLK YEL Friends of Scouting 2002 Calumet S-19 RED WHT/BLU YEL YEL New regular issue Capitol Area TA-8 YEL R/W/B WHT/RED Philmont Contingent 2004 170 Central Florida SA-64 BLK PUR/BLK/BLU RED none NOAC 2004, Tipisa 326 Central New Jersey SA-17 BLK ORG WHT BLU Friendly - 2004 Friends of Scouting Central New Jersey SA-18 SIL/M ORG WHT BLU Friendly - 2004 Friends of Scouting Central New Jersey SA-19 GLD/M ORG WHT BLU Friendly - 2004 Friends of Scouting

(Presenter) Central Wyoming SA-15 BLK BLU BLU WHT Part of an OA set Chattahoochee TA-13 RED LT BLU YEL RED Camp Lumpkin 2004 - "Chattahooche"

error Chattahoochee TA-14 RED LT BLU YEL RED Camp Lumpkin 2004 Cherokee Area (OK) SA-11 BLU R/W/B LTGLD LTGLD Loyal - 2004 FOS Cherokee Area (TN) S-38a WHT R/W/B LTGLD LTGLD I plege allegiance to the flag ... Cherokee Area (TN) S-38b WHT R/W/B RED/WHT LTGLD LTGLD I plege allegiance to the flag ... , ghosted

FDLs added to background Cherokee Area (TN) SA-47 SIL/M R/W/B RED/WHT RED Fundraiser, redesigned Georgia flag 24 Cherokee Area (TN) SA-51 TAN GRY RED RED Venturing Cherokee Area (TN) SA-52 SIL/M GRY RED RED Venturing 24 Cherokee Area (TN) SA-56 SIL/M BLU BLU BLU Skymont Scout Reservation since 1973 -

The Tradition Continues Chicago Area TA-43 GLD DKRED WHT WHT Owasippe 2004

Chicago Area TA-44 GLD DK RED WHT WHT Owasippe 2004 Staff

Chicago Area TA-45a GLD GRN WHT Sons of Owasippe 2004

Chicago Area TA-45b GLD DKGRN WHT Sons of Owasippe 2004 (Indian colors redesigned)

Chicago Area SA-46 BLK GRY BLK Owasippe Lodge 7 - WWW (2004 NOAC)

Chicago Area SA-47 BLK BLU RED Philmont 2004


Council Issue # Border Sky/Bkg FDL SE BSA Name Issue Description Qty Chief Seattle TA-27 BLK LT BLU YEL BLK (Whale design - rejected by council)

Chief Seattle SA-28 BLK RED WHT WHT WashJam 2004

Connecticut Yankee SA-23 BLU LT BLU BLK Poland 2004 Scotland Connecticut Yankee SA-24 BLU PBL RED WHT Eagle Scout Cornhusker S-6 DKGRN ORG BLK BLK New regular issue Cornhusker SA-7 SIL/M ORG BLK BLK Fundraiser - design of S-6 Cradle of Liberty SA-16:1 RED GRY RED none 2001 Scouting for Food Drive - Temple -

Va Tech, "Nov 10, 01" Cradle of Liberty SA-33 GLD BLU DK BLU BLK 2003 Scout Service Corps Crater Lake S-18 GRN LT BLU GRY RED New regular issue Crater Lake SA-19 GRN LT BLU BLK RED 1937-1993 Modoc Area Council 400 Dan Beard SA-25 GRN GLD YEL WHT Camp Friedlander Denver Area SA-3:1 RED/M GRY/PUR WHT Friends of Scouting 2002 - Trustworthy Denver Area SA-5 SIL/M ORG/GLD WHT RED 2004 - A Scout is Loyal - FOS Denver Area SA-6 GLD BLU YEL Tahosa Camp Staff Detroit Area SA-93 BLU/M GRY BLU/M BLU/M 2004 Bill Vance Tour Director Emeritus 40

(Philmont) Detroit Area SA-94 WHT RED/WHT YEL WHT National Youth Leadership Training 300 East Carolina TA-13 WHT/GLD RED WHT Winter Expedition 2004

East Texas Area SA-lO GLD/M R/W/B R/W/B GLD/M 1964 - George W. Pirtle Scout Reservation 2004

Georgia Carolina SA-14 GRY R/W/B GLD GRY Friends of Scouting - Trustworthy Georgia Carolina SA-15 SIL/M R/W/B GLD GRY Friends of Scouting - Trailblazer (FOS

presenters) Glenhaven (see Mt. Baker SA-18) Grand Canyon SU-F BLK RED/ORG/GLD WHT None yel WALPI KIVA 432; WWW NOAC 2004 85

(chapter issue); individually numbered in wht on bear

Grand Columbia SA-17 BLU LT BLU GLD WHT WashJam 2004 Grand Teton SA-96 BRN TAN TAN GRN w/ Lewis and Clark Expedition Bicentennial -

BRN outline (Thomas Jefferson)

Grand Teton SA-97 GLD/Mw/ TAN WHT GRN Issued for 2004 auction donations GRN inner

Grand Teton SA-98 SIL/M LT BLU LT TAN Silver Beaver Colony #2 BLU/WHT

Great Sa It La ke SA-130 GRY WHT WHT GRN Silver Moccasin Great Salt Lake SA-131 WHT PNK BLU MAR Steiner Great Smoky SA-lO ORG TAN YEL GRN Wood Badge for the 21st Century, SR-621 Mountain Greater Pittsburgh SA-22 ORG LT BLU YEL YEL Mon Valley, 2004 Swim Meet Greater Pittsburgh SA-23 YEL LT BLU YEL YEL 2004 - 50th Anniversary - Coupling 250

Together (Train Collectors Association show)

Greater Pittsburgh SA-24 RED BLU GRN w/ WHT Heritage Reservation, 1980-2004 650 YEL outline

Greater Pittsburgh SA-25 BLK BLU YEL WHT Heritage Reservation, 1980-2004, stars in 650 sky

Greater Pittsburgh SA-26 GRY BLU YEL WHT Heritage Reservation, 1980-2004, dk grn STAFF ghosted in trees, stars in sky

Gulf Ridge SA-26 RED GLD YEL Now More Than Ever - 2004 (FOS) Gulf Ridge SA-27 BRZ GLD YEL Now More Than Ever - 2004 (FOS) Gulf Ridge SA-28 GLD/M GLD YEL Now More Than Ever - 2004 (FOS) Gulf Ridge SA-29 SIL/M GLD YEL Now More Than Ever - 2004 (FOS) Hawk Mountain SA-13 GRY R/W/B/YEL ORG BLK Key 3 award, 2003

Heart of Virginia SA-3 BLU BLU WHT GRN 2004, Friends of Scouting - Kind Hiawatha Seaway SA-42 BLU c/e WHT YEL RED 29th Scottish Jamborette 2004 Hiawatha Seaway SA-43 YEL c/e WHT YEL RED 29th Scottish Jamborette 2004 Hiawatha Seaway SA-44 R/W/B c/e WHT YEL RED 29th Scottish Jamborette 2004 15

Hiawatha Seaway TA-45 RED GRN RED Summer Camp Scoutmaster 2004 300 Hiawatha Seaway TA-46 DKGRN GRN WHT Camp Portaferry - Staff 2004 100 Hiawatha Seaway TA-47 DKGRN GRN WHT Sabattis Scout Reservation - Staff 2004 100 Hiawatha Seaway SA-48 RED R/W/B WHT BLU 31st Brotherhood Camporee - 1974-2004 750

photochromatic

Hiawatha Seaway SA-49 WHT R/W/B WHT BLU 31st Brotherhood Camporee - 1974-2004 750 photochromatic

Hiawatha Seaway SA-50 BLU R/W/B WHT BLU 31st Brotherhood Camporee - 1974-2004 750 photochromatic


Council Issue # Border SkV/Bkg FDL SE BSA Name Issue Description Qtv Hiawatha Seaway SA-51 GLD/M R/W/B WHT BLU 31st Brotherhood Camporee - 1974-2004 750

photochromatic

Indian Nations SA-28 YEL R/W/B YEL BLU 2004 Hale Scout Reservation Inland Northwest SA-26 BRN R/W/B WHT BLK Wood Badge - 4 beads 50 Inland Northwest SA-27 GRY BLU GLD RED Council Camps 300 Inland Northwest SA-28 GLD BLU GLD RED Council Camps 100 Inland Northwest SA-29 BLU BLK GLD/M GLD/M Scouting Salutes Astronaut Michael P. 400

Anderson Inland Northwest SA-30 SIL/M BLK GLD/M GLD/M Scouting Salutes Astronaut Michael P. 50

Anderson - individually numbered Inland Northwest SA-31 GLD/M BLK GLD/M GLD/M Scouting Salutes Astronaut Michael P. 50

Anderson - individually numbered Istrouma Area SA-8 GLD/M ORG GLD/M GLD/M Baton Rouge Louisiana (NOAC 2004) Jersey Shore SA-6:1 BLK TAN YEL RED Philmont Trek 619 - 2002, Home of the

Jersey Devil Longhorn SA-54 RED GRY YEL RED 2004 Scottish Jamborette Mason-Dixon SA-8:1 RED BLU BLU GLD "2000" - Leaders issue 100 Mason-Dixon SA-12:1 RED BLU YEL YEL James Buchanan's Birthplace - Leaders 100

issue (no "2002") Mason-Dixon SA-14:1 YEL BLU YEL YEL Fort Frederick - 2003, Leaders issue 100 Mason-Dixon S-18 BLU RED ORG WHT New regular wear issue Mason-Dixon SA-19 YEL RED ORG WHT Leaders issue - 2004 100 Miami Valley SA-26 RED GLD GLD BLK 50th Buckskin Trail 1954-2003 50 Miami Valley SA-27 ??? WHT YEL w/ BLK GRN F.O.S. Loyal 2002

outline

Miami Valley SA-28 BLU WHT YEL w/ BLK GRN F.O.S. Helpful 2003 outline

Miami Valley SA-29 GRN WHT YEL w/ BLK GRN F.O.S. Friendly 2004 outline

Miami Valley SA-30 ORG BLU LT BLU MVC - Miami 495 - NOAC 2004 200 Miami Valley SA-31 GLD/M BLU LT BLU MVC - Miami 495 - NOAC 2004 50 Minsi Trails TA-41 M/C PUR LTGRN MTC - Settlers Camp -TSR 2004 Minsi Trails TA-42 M/C PUR LTGRN MTC - Settlers Camp -TSR 2004 - Staff

Minsi Trails TA-43 M/C PUR LTGRN MTC - Settlers Camp -TSR 2004 - Camp Leader

Monterey Bay Area SA-20 GRY BLU/LT WHT SIL/M Duty to God, 50 (Religious retreat 100 BLU/LAV/PUR/G weekend) RY

Monterey Bay Area SA-21 GRY BLU/LT WHT SIL/M Pico Blanco, 50 (camp anniversary) 1200 BLU/LAV/PUR/G RY

Moraine Trails SA-lO GRN LT BLU RED RED Camp Bucoco 200 Moraine Trails SA-l1 YEL WHT RED RED Camp Agawam 200 Mt Baker SA-18 GRY BLU YEL YEL "Glenhaven Council" - Friends of Scouting

2003 - Loyal Mt Baker SA-19 GLD/M LT BLU GLD/M RED WashJam 2004 National Capital Area SA-18a AQUA-BLU RED/ORG/YEL/P GRN WHT Iwo Jima monument, 4mm high fdl,

EACH triangular shaped Capital building National Capital Area SA-18b AQUA-BLU RED/ORG/YEL/P GRN WHT Iwo Jima monument, 6mm high fdl, 1000

EACH square sided Capital building National Capital Area SA-70 AQUA-BLU RED/ORG/YEL/P GRN GLD/M Iwo Jima monument

EACH National Capital Area SA-71 GLD GRN/LT BLU GLD LTBLU Goshen Scout Reservation, eagle in flight

Netseo Trails SA-5 TAN R/W/B/LT BLU RED RED 1929-2004 (Council anniversary) Norwela 5-27 RED BLU WHT PUR Making Scouting Awesome! -

Regular wear issue Occoneechee SA-28 BLK BLK none With Only One Goal - Camp Durant 2004

Occoneechee SA-29 BLK BLK none With Only One Goal - Camp Durant 2004, red/m STAFF

Occoneechee SA-30 BLK WHT none With Only One Goal - Camp Durant 2004 (ghost issue)

Occoneechee SA-31 GLD/M LT BLU GLD/M GLD/M NOAC 2004, Lodge 104 Okefenokee Area SA-7 LT BLU LT BLU BRZ/M LT BLU (2002 FOS) 300 Okefenokee Area SA-8 RED RED GLD/M RED (2003 FOS) 300 Okefenokee Area SA-9 DKBLU DKBLU GLD/M DK BLU (2004 FOS) 300 Okefenokee Area SA-lO RED YEL BLK RED Camp Tolochee 1954-2004 350 Okefenokee Area SA-l1 YEL YEL BLK RED Camp Tolochee 1954-2004 (Staff issue) 100

Orange County SA-125 BLK BLK WHT WHT NOAC 2004 Orange County SA-126 BLU PBL BLK GRN OC Fair 2004 - (Earned for working in

booth)


Council Issue # Border SkyjBkg FDL SE BSA Name Issue Description Qty Ore-Ida SA-58b RED/M BLK GLD/M GLD/M Fundraiser - "266" ghosted under Oregon, 500

"WWW" ghosted under Idaho Oregon Trail SA-26 RED LT BLU/WHT LT BLU TAN/BRN Jambo '04 (council jamboree) 300

Oregon Trail SA-27 BLU LT BLU/WHT LTBLU TAN/BRN Jambo '04 (council jamboree) 100

Oregon Trail SA-28 BLU/M LT BLU/WHT LT BLU TAN/BRN Jambo '04 (council jamboree) 50

Otschodela S-10 RED BLU YEL RED Serving Scouting in New York since 1924

Pacific Harbors SA-29 WHT BLU YEL RED 2004 Friends of Scouting Pacific Harbors SA-30 SIL/M BLU/PNK/YEL WHT BLK NOAC 2004 Pacific Harbors SA-31 WHT LT BLU GLD/M BLK WashJam 2004 Patriots' Path SA-13 BLK R/W/B WHT BLK Where Legends are made (2004 FOS) Patriots' Path SA-14 RED RED/GLD RED/GLD WHT 2004 - A Scout is Loyal (FOS) Patriots' Path SA-15 RED BLK YEL YEL 2004 Philmont - New Jersey Expedition Patriots' Path SA-16 SIL/M LT BLU SIL/M WHT 1999-2004, 5th Anniversary 1000 Pine Burr Area SA-9 BLU BLK/GRY WHT WHT NOAC 2004 Pioneer Valley TA-13:1 BLK LT BLU YEL RED Popcorn Sale 2003, "PG" Pioneer Valley SA-15 YEL BLU RED BLK 2004 Pioneer Valley TA-16 RED BLU GLD RED Moses Scout Reservation 300 Pioneer Valley TA-17 RED BLU GLD RED Moses Scout Reservation - Leader Puerto Rico TA-29 BLU BLU YEL BLK Junior Leader Training Conference, 2004

Pushmataha Area SA-18 GRN BLU TARTAN GLD WHT Wood Badge SR-516 2003 - Staff Pushmataha Area SA-19 GRN BLU TARTAN GLD WHT Wood Badge SR-516 2003 - Youth Staff Pushmataha Area TA-20 RED BLU GLD Philmont 2004 716-K 100 Rainbow SA-12 YEL R/W/B YEL BLK Jamboree 2004 Supporter 1000 Rip Van Winkle SA-21 RED LT BLU GLD/M BLK Tarrytown Lighthouse, numbered 300 Rip Van Winkle SA-22 RED LT BLU GLD/M BLK Tarrytown Lighthouse, unnumbered 200 San Gabriel Valley SA-73 BLU BLU YEL YEL Tiger, Cub, Venturing (SOR 2004) Scenic Trails SA-3:1 BLU R/W/B YEL YEL On My Honor 2002 - Friends of Scouting

Sequoia SA-38 BLK R/W/B GLD GLD FOS 2002 - Honor .. .Duty ... Country Shawnee Trails SA-9 YEL YEL BLK BLK Camp Roy C. Manchester 1954-2004, 50th 2500

Anniversary Simon Kenton SA-100:1 GRN BLU GRN BLK Camp Falling Rock, Sequoia Lodge - error

Simon Kenton SA-101:1 GLD/M BLU GRN BLK Camp Falling Rock, Sequoia Lodge - error

Simon Kenton SA-121 BLK BLK BLK BLK NOAC 2004 Simon Kenton SA-l22 GRY GRY GRY LTGRY NOAC 2004 Simon Kenton SA-123 YEL WHT YEL BLK 2004 Ohio State Fair Sinnissippi FA-14 RED WHT BLK GRN Wood Badge C-19-04 South Texas SA-16 GRY YEL GRN RED Camp Karankawa 60th Anniversary, 1944- 200

2004 Southeast Louisiana SA-ll GLD/M LT BLU GLD/M GLD/M Loyal - Friends of Scouting 2002 Southeast Louisiana SA-12 RED/M LT BLU YEL RED/M Helpful - Friends of Scouting 2003 Southern New Jersey SA-33 BLU/M LT BLU YEL BLK 2004 FOS - Courteous 1000 Southern New Jersey SA-34 GLD/M LT BLU YEL BLK 2004 FOS - Courteous, for Presenters 150 Stonewall Jackson S-20 YEL LT BLU/WHT YEL MAR Regular wear issue Area Suwannee River Area SA-12 GRY BLU RED RED FOS Trustworthy 2004

Tecumseh SA-32 SIL/M BLU/WHT GRY BLU NOAC 2004 Theodore Roosevelt SA-lO YEL GRN YEL YEL Friendly - Friends of Scouting Trapper Trails SA-38 GRN LT BLU LT BLU WHT Camp Bartlett 2004 Tri-State Area SA-16 REDw/ TAN YEL BLK Brownsea-22, Junior Leader Training

BLU inner Twin Rivers SA-28 YEL GLD RED RED Family F.O.S. 2004 Twin Rivers SA-29 RED GLD/RED/ORG YEL BLK NOAC 2004 Iowa, Haudenosaunee 19 100 Twin Rivers S-30 GRN LT BLU YEL YEL New regular issue West Central Florida SA-7 YEL R/W/B BLU YEL Friends of Scouting 2004 750 West Central Florida SA-8 RED GRY RED none Timuquan Lodge 340 - NOAC 2004 Westark Area SA-30 GLD/M LT BLU GLD/M/ BLU Honor Unit

WHT Westchester Putnam SA-8 BLU R/W/B GLD GLD Friends of Scouting 2003

Yucca TA-16 BRN BLU RED Trustworthy (2001 FOS) Yucca TA-17 BRN BLU RED Loyal (2002 FOS) Yucca TA-18 BRN BLU RED Helpful (2003 FOS)

Cradle of Liberty SA-16 Otschodela S-10 Simon Kenton SA-122


DISPOSING OF YOUR COLLECTION

Hi, I want to welcome you to our seventeenth column! Last issue, I promised that this column would be another reader participation venture. As we a" know, ISeA is made up of a broad cross section of members - members with extensive collections of rare and expensive patches and memorabilia, casual collectors of one area or interest, history buffs who may not collect anything in particular - and a" combinations in between. We have young members and "more experienced" collectors - casual collectors and people whose job is selling memorabilia.

Q. As many collectors mature, I began to wonder what ideas or plans exist for disposing of their collection as they enter the time of life when they begin to divest some of the items that have been so important to them. I promised that I would not identify anyone who commented by name in the article. I also have deleted references to specific individuals, dealers or other details that might easily identify the writer. I also took some license and added to some of the comments for points of emphasis. I specifically asked for input from collectors and dealers on the subject. The responses overwhelmingly came from collectors across our community.

A. Great question, I have been thinking about the same subject. I have gone through a process of valuing my collection and I have also helped other older collectors in my council do the same. I catalog the contents of

listed that will give you a ball-park value. I tell my collector friends that I assist that they can dispose of their collection using a will but it needs to be fully catalogued with values placed on the items. The major problem that I have seen is that after a collector dies the spouse or executor generally has no clue of the value or where to go to convert the collection into cash. That is why a will is so important as a means to share how you wanted the collection dispersed.

A. I have a fairly straightforward answer to your disposal question. I've kept careful records of prices I've paid for all my Scouting items. I plan on selling off most of the collection on eBay when I retire, with a few exceptions. That which is left my wife and sons will be able to eBay easily either a piece at a time or in lots, which I will leave them information for. (Actually I've left the info already in case something happens sooner than I plan. Also I have put the names and contact information of some trusted Scouting collector friends in with the instructions if my heirs need another opinion.) I figure I have had the fun of finding and collecting and it will be time for others to have their turn. Also it will be easier to leave my family cash rather than a stack of cloth.

A. Two years ago the National Guard offered to update my will since my previous one was over 25 year old. After completing

it, I added a personal addendum that I shared with my wife and oldest son, an Eagle Scout and

the collection using the" Blue Book" and the "Guide to Collecting CSP's". When there are a lot of

LAST WILL former lodge chief, who still collects. He could do as he wished with the collection, but two of our Scouting friends were to each receive $1000 of items from my collection in a get together after my departure. Kind of a

activity patches I group them first by condition then by year, then by material of the patch, then whether the council is still existing or is defunct. The camp patches are cataloged as best as possible using Bob Sherman's "Camp Book" along with some of the expertise on patch-L. I use Mitch Reis's book on BSA Collectibles to catalog other items.

The problem is that everybody thinks their collection is worth a million dollars, and as we know, they are not. After I get all the preliminary work done I contact a national dealer about selling the collection. In today's arena of BSA stuff the best place to get a handle on the collection's value is eBay because there is always something close to what you have

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And

TESTAMENT

Of

JOE SCOUTER

October 15, 2004

Includes instructions dispersal of Scouting

memorabilia

memorial TOR sponsored by my passing.

A. My wife would probably put them in the trashcan. But, she now knows the value of them and that they keep going up. She advises me to start selling them, but that would take years as I am always buying - not selling. But, many will go to my sons if they are interested in our hobby. A few will go to my local OA lodge collection. And the rest will auctioned off to buy the casket.

A. My wife knows the approximate value of my many collections. She also knows that most dealers


buy at 50% to 60% BELOW book value. She knows which are the particularly valuable and expensive items in my collections. I have written a list of dealers who are trustworthy and will generally give the best prices for individual pieces and/or a collection. My two children will have first 'dibs' on anything they want, to remind them of my hobbies, the rest can be disposed of, either through a sale to a dealer, an auction, eBay or however my wife sees fit. I do not want it 'donated' to a museum! From our experiences with museums (from small local museums to internationally known ones) almost nothing I donate would ever be seen by collectors. It would be hoarded away in storage and no one would be able to see or enjoy what I have collected. Sell it; auction it; or utilize any method that will give the largest number of collectors the most satisfaction.

Many years ago, early in my collecting days, I spent 5 days attending an auction of a major antique tool collector. Name it in tools and he had it. He often told us that when he died, there was going to be one of the biggest tool auctions that there ever was. He also told us that three museums wanted to purchase his entire collection. Yes, I had to have several pieces of his collection. Yes, I overpaid for one or two of these items. Yes, I was bidding against several local, regional, and national museums. This auction is still talked about by several major collectors as the greatest chance for the average collector to get some great items, and a way to remember this great man. I will try to do the same with my collections.

A. I'm planning on selling most of my items eventually since I believe they should continue to circulate in the collecting community. However, I'm thinking about donating items of a local nature to the county historical museum. These are things that don't have a lot of collecting value such as local council dinner programs, troop neckerchiefs, community strips, etc. that could easily be tossed or put into a 25 cent box at the next TOR. The museum already has some vintage photos and paperwork on Scouting in the area, but no memorabilia as far as I'm aware. This type of donation would help round out the artifacts for future historical researchers.

A. I will be leaving most of my collection to my community's Historical Association which has a great reputation for being trustworthy with such items. Even though it is totally operated by volunteers, the association and it's museum are professional in the treatment of the archived material. Displays are secure, rotated on a regular basis, and very well done to promote the history of Scouting in our area. I will trust them with my collection because of their integrity. A few personal items I will leave to my Eagle Scout son.

A. I am an Australian collector, not a member of ISCA. I cannot afford it on a pension. I have told my sons that my worldwide collection of National badges should be sent to a friend (my exDistrict Commissioner) to sell for them. He knows the values of the items. Some of the material will probably be sent to a seller in the United States, as it will make sense to sell it there because of its market value.

A. My plan is to leave my Ford Street Rod to a Regional Auto Museum, and my Order of the Arrow, Local Council, and Camp Patches to my favorite camp, with the understanding that they are kept in locked display cabinets for all to enjoy. The rest of the CSP and OA Flap Collection are to be sold off, with my Boy Scout Troop receiving the financial benefit to assist Scouts from single parent families in the form of summer camp scholarships.


This sell off should send quite a few Scouts to camp in my memory. It is a Good Turn back to Scouting for all the great years I had.

A. I have given thought to your question for some time. I am 56 years old and hope to be around for a long time. I hope to sell my better items in retirement so as not to create a hardship on my family but I do have many things that could be shared with future generations in my council if they would be appreciated. Old uniforms would be left to the council if they have a museum or to someone I would trust to keep them in the council for everyone to enjoy. Our council has a new office and they gave us collectors a case to rotate different items through and we have found a great interest in all areas of Scouting collectibles, especially items of local interest. It would be a shame to break up a collection of local items that would not be displayed and appreciated as much if it were sold and dispersed.

A. Being in my late 20's I expect to have many more years of trading, fellowship, and fun before disposing of my collection. I plan to sell my collection around the time I retire so I can enjoy what it brings. I don't collect as an investment, but I recognize the value and would prefer to get what the collection is worth and enjoy it, than leave it to be hastily dumped upon my passing. In the event of my untimely demise my collection is well documented and my family is aware of its value. They know what I want done with the collection and will politely turn away those who call asking to help. Of course in another twenty years I may change my mind and do something else but having a plan that is subject to change now is much better than no plan at all.

A. You know I am one of those old timers that have been collecting since the 1940's and now don't know quite how to dispose of the memorabilia. One of my sons is an Eagle Scout and I will give him my Handbook collection, of which I have all but four printings. I am not sure what do with the rest.

A. I completed my OA name and number collection (one issue from each lodge that existed and had any issues) about 12 years ago. I am now over 60 years old. About 2 years ago I realized that my collection had sat in binders and in my safe deposit box for 10 years, and I had rarely looked at it during that time. A little research told me that it was probably worth around $300,000, a not insignificant asset to be left sitting unappreciated and unproductive.

I am now semi-retired, and very much into planning a future life for my wife and myself. Return on assets is very important to us. Providing a financially secure retirement for my wife after my death is also very important to me. A high-end patch collection is a very peculiar asset, one that requires special knowledge to liquidate properly. I checked with all of the major dealers (whom I obviously know well by now), and the best deal I could find would consume roughly 30% of the collection's value in fees, commissions, and lower prices.

I decided to sell my collection myself, on eBay and through private sales to individual collectors. I have been able to do this because I no longer work full time and therefore can spend time listing items on eBay and corresponding with high-end collectors. This has gone very well over the past 2 years, and I have now sold about 70% of the collection.

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This approach has yielded the following benefits:

1 . The money, a very versatile asset.

2. Virtually everything has sold at very close to what I believe is full value. I initially set asking prices. I am able to do this with a very high degree of accuracy due to the wide availability of priCing information in resources such as Tracker. My prices are either accepted, rejected, or raised the way they should be in a free economy - by the market. If items do not sell right away, I put them away for sale at a later time.

3. I am in control rather than some dealer I realistically cannot control.

4. The average selling cost to me including PayPal fees is less than 10% of the total.

5. I have had one last chance to "touch the cloth" and enjoy my collection as I prepare my eBay listings.

6. I derive a great deal of pleasure from giving other collectors the ability to add hard-to-find issues to their collections.

7. My wife and family will not have to struggle with this unique asset after my death.

8. Did I mention the money?

There is also a complementary story. During my analysis of my situation I decided that I did not enjoy just having patches; I wanted to see them regularly. I concluded that meant displaying them. The name/number collection is so extensive it would be very difficult to display, but some of my individual lodge collections could be shown in a reasonable amount of space. I therefore am completing my collection of four lodges, including my original and current lodges, and some related camp items, and am investigating suitable display frames. My profits from the sale of my collection have contributed to these displays.

A. I plan to sell off my collection before I pass on. The way eBay has been going; it can turn out to be a good-sized chunk of my retirement fund.

A. I've told my wife and son that my collection is to be passed down as my father's collection was to me. He had very little but it meant a great deal to me as I hope my collection will mean to my son and future generations of the family. At the appropriate time I would hope that he too, will pass down the collection. I think it will be more meaningful than selling it off, as I have not done all of this for the money but rather for the spirit of collecting by having fun and meeting new friends.

A. When the time comes (hopefully it'll be when I am 120 years old) a very good Scouting friend (most of you know him) who I have known for over 40 years will dispose of my collection, with the proceeds going to my family. In return, he will keep (within reason, of course) some of the collection. In addition, we have agreed upon a dealer who will auction the collection. So I'm pretty well set, thanks to an enduring friendship, loyalty and kindness that I have cultivated through Scouting.

A. Another good topic of importance to all of us. I have an agreement with a renowned dealer to handle my ENTI RE collection. I capitalized entire because that is an important part of my agreement. I don't want him or any dealer to just take the "cream" of my collection to sell and leave my wife with the dregs. I told him that I don't care how long it takes but it has to be everything. I feel it is important to contact a couple of other

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dealers in case my chosen dealer is out of business when meet my demise.

I have a letter to my wife to be opened upon my death which gives her a detailed set of recommendations (you don't TELL her anything :) on what I would recommend she do - prioritizing each item. I have the email addresses and phone numbers of the dealers I think could handle a collection of the size and value of mine. I also instructed her to insist on the dealer she deals with to take and sell everything, even if it takes a few years.

The bottom line to me is that NOW is the time to plan for this eventuality because we are all going to die. Each trader should communicate now with someone they trust to handle their collection and to inform their families of this agreement. The saddest scenario is when a Scouter's widow is cleaned out by a "Scouter" posing as a friend of her late husband who offers to HELP her dispose of the collection, gives her a few bucks and makes off with something worth thousands of dollars that she could have used. Sad to say it happens way to often.

A. I have a unique answer to that question. About a year ago my wife asked me, "What am I going to do with all of these patches if you should die before me?" My 24-year-old son, who has never shown any interest in patches, chimed in "That is when I start my patch collection. Why should both of us be collecting the same thing? By the time you die I will be looking for a hobby to keep me busy." I guess my son plans on inheriting my patch collection.

A. My Camp patches for my Scout camp will be put in display cabinets that I buy and install at camp. I would like to leave my OA lodge collection to the lodge, but I am really afraid that it would disappear after a while like so many others.

A. I hope you have a good response to your question. As you may be aware, a similar discussion was held earlier on patchL. At that time, I found out my wife and family did not know what I had or how much it was worth or how to disperse it after I die. So I recently developed a list of where certain special items should go; such as what I am holding for the OA Chapter and who gets that stuff; the material I am holding for the Troop and who gets that material, etc. As far as my collections of cloth and other Scouting stuff, there is a list of who gets what and if all else fails how to dispose of the stuff. That was a rough discussion. No one wanted really to discuss the disposing of my property, and I had to make a few decisions regarding some rather unique items I have collected. But the six weeks it took me to go completely through my room and list the stuff I have and where it goes has been well worth it for all concerned. I found that conducting an inventory can be a real eye opener.

A. I am continually amazed at how ill prepared people are for disposal of their collection upon their demise. Personally, I have left written instructions in my will and named a specific executor for my Scouting collections. A collector friend who I trust without question has been named to do the right thing for my family and get maximum value for the collection. The collection MUST (per the terms of my will) be sold within 3 years of my death. The executor gets a 10% fee (which can be taken in value) for handling the matter.

I like the Executor idea because that person will be attuned to what's happening in the hobby at that time. You can name a

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NECKERCHIEF SLIDES

RRSTNECKERCH~FSLIDES

by JOHN KOPPEN -/seA # 0085

This is not an article about the first Boy Scout neckerchief slides. Neither is it an article about the first slides from Councils (like CSP's) nor Order of the Arrow lodges (like first flaps). This is an article about the first n/c slides of each of the four slide makers that I have featured in previous issues. Because each slide maker experimented and developed his process over time, the first issues have a special place historically and are especially rare and valuable as well.

The four n/c slide makers are Sherman Landman (Sherm Slides), Paul Y. Dunn (Torchy Slides), C. Millard Neal (Neal Slides), and Jack Grunden (Blue River Slides). You can find the articles in the journal listed: Sherm Slides: ISCA Journal Vol. 1, No.4, Dec. 2001; Torchy Slides: ASTA Report Vol. 16, No.1, March 2001; Neal Slides: ASTA Report Vol. 15, No.2, June 2000; Blue River Slides: ISCA Journal Vol. 4, No.1, March 2004.

The slides will be discussed from the earliest to the most recent. Sherman Landman began making n/c slides in the 1920's. I have a copy of a letter written by him to a friend who collected his n/c slides, dated in the 1950's, which says that Sherm was sure that the first slides he made had long since disappeared even then. However, we do know the basic design that he employed in the beginning. It was like the one pictured. It was a camp scene including a tent, tree and campfire under the moon and stars. It was a teepee-style tent, probably because it was so early in Scouting and Sherm was also a Native American. Sherm used this design over the years as one of his favorites, especially in the late 1940's and 1950's. It was used for everything from activity slides to staff slides. He made them with both copper and nickel plating. There are probably about a dozen different varieties in collection today, but unfortunately, none of the original ones.

Paul "Torchy" Dunn began making his n/c slides in 1947. (The earliest dated ones are from 1948.) The first ones made in 1947 were made of plaster and not plastic resin like the later ones. The first design was the buffalo skull with "This is the place" used for the LDS Jamboree. The second was the onefeathered Indian brave profile. Similar designs of both were made later in resin. When I spoke to Paul Dunn many years ago, he was sure that. none of his original plaster issues survived.


However, some years later, I asked him about a Region 2 plaster design of his that I have had for decades. After a little reflection, he was pretty sure it was his third or fourth design. To the best of our knowedge it is the only known surviving plaster specimen. The plaster one is the top one in the picture. The bottom ones are resin with different original paintings and different-colored rings in the back. The resin ones were probably made in 1948 or 1949. Torchy Slides made in the 1940's had plastic rings of various colors embedded in the back. These were actually curtain rod rings that were sold at J. C. Penney. The colors happened to be whatev·er were available at the time. Such colors included: yellow, brown, green and red. We would be most interested in sharing information concerning any other plaster Torchy slides that are discovered.

C. Millard Neal began his n/c slide business in 1954. His first slides used the blood-red resin similar to the early Torchy Slides. Later, Neal colored the resin prior to pouring his slides. One Neal Slide collector has described these first slides as the "Holy

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Grail" of Neal Slides. They exist for at least the Lobster, the Scout Sign, the oval "1954 Pine Tree Camporee", and the Liberty Bell with "52-53-54" and "Pine Tree Council". These are Type 1 b. They all have rectangular holders with "Neal" on them. Type 1 a is the pine tree with the First Class emblem on it and the round holder on the back. On the holder is etched "C. M. Neal Bidd. Me." (Charles Millard Neal, Biddeford, Maine). It is a very darkcolored resin, almost black in appearence. There is also uniform pitting over the surface of the front side of the slide, possibly indicating air bubble activity from cooling too quickly. This first slide is a little difficult to date. It may have actually been made in 1953. As a matter of fact, it may have been used at the 1953 National Jamboree! Millard Neal was Assistant Scoutmaster of Jamboree Troop 27, Section 38, from Pine Tree Council in 1953. A business card with this information and the fact that Millard was Chairman of the Leadership Training Committee in Pine Tree Council came with this slide. It was rolled up and placed in the n/c holder on the back. Due to the discoloration and overall appearance, it looks like this card was placed there from the beginning. It appears as though the slide and the business card may have come as a package. There is at least one other slide like this in collection.

Jack Grunden began making his Blue River n/c slides in response to a lack of available slides and with encouragement from the local District Scout Executive. The exact date of initiation is somewhat uncertain. I do have a copy of a newspaper clipping of Jack receiving his Scouters Key Award dated Feb. 15, 1957. In it he is wearing one of his Region 7 slides. That is the earliest connection I can verify datewise with

COLLECTING Q & A (From page 32)

given dealer at the time of writing a will but three or four years down the road that dealer might become a second tier operator. We all know certain dealers who were big time before the Internet who are now second fiddle. You might want Dealer A to sell your OA flaps but Dealer B might do a better job selling the memorabilia. The Executor will take care of it all.

I still remember how unscrupulous "collectors" ripped off one renowned collector's widow! The opportunity for fraud and deceit is very high if people with collections valued in the hundreds of thousands of dollars don't take some precautions.

On another note, one big collector recently allowed a certain dealer to dispose of his collection. I do not think that the chosen dealer gets top dollar for things, or even knows good stuff from medium value stuff in all areas. It shows how important relationships are in this hobby. Thank you for raising the awareness on this issue-I could write for hours on the fascinating aspects of human nature and disposing of collections.

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his slides. His first slide predates the Region 7 issue. So, 1956 looks like the beginning year of his enterprise. His first slide is the Scout Sign above and behind the tenderfoot emblem design. It is spray painted a single gold color. There may be other Type 1 designs, but this is the only one I have been able to identify as such. It has two main characteristics. First, the holder is much smaller and thinner than the later ones. (The later ones, whether or not they have the "Blue River" designation, are of fairly uniform width and thickness.) I'm sure it was because the holder was fragile that he made subsequent ones larger to hold up better. Second, the slides have pitting on the reverse from the air bubbles settling out. After this, Jack used a vibrator to remove the air bubbles before the plastic hardened. This design was also used later, as I do have it in a Type III as well ("Blue River" on the holder).

Please contact me with your questions and requests for future articles. It is my desire to see that neckerchief slides receive their proper place in the total Scouting memorabilia perspective.

Thanks to all who offered an opinion or idea that other collectors may take advantage of in the future. The themes that came through on many of the responses include:

• Plan ahead - it will take pressure off your family later.

• Keep meticulous, up-to-date records of value of the items in your collection.

• Few collectors plan on leaving valuable items to the BSA, their council or their lodge-as they have seen many similar items grow legs and disappear. Sad, but true-I have seen it myself.

• Develop specific instructions on the dispersal of your collection to guide your family.

• Update your family on unscrupulous "collectors" who will contact them soon after they learn of your passing.

• Enjoy your collection or its value until the end.

Hope you benefit from this column. Remember I always seek your input for future columns. Be sure to send me an email or letter with your questions or comments for future issues! The best of Scouting to you and yours!


WORLD JAMBOREES

12h World Moot- Taiwan by NEIL LARSEN • IseA # 0086

Historically World Scout gatherings have been World Confer-ences, World Jamborees, World Moots and World Indabas. Taiwan hosted the 12th World Moot this July with a theme of "Unlimited Challenges." The World Moots are not as large as a World Jamboree, but are important events in Scouting history. The World Moots are gatherings of members of senior organizations of National Scout Associations. In most countries this senior organization is called Rovers and is for older Scouts ages 18-24. Boy Scouts of America did have Rovers at one point in its history, but have not had Rovers for a long time. The BSA officially participated for the first time at a World Moot this past summer. The BSA contingent of 23 older Venturers and 2 leaders was selected by National Council International Division from nominations based on past involvement and dedication. Of the 23

members, seven were female Venturers to help represent the co-ed environment of Scouting worldwide. The official total of participants were 2484 and besides Taiwan's 1620, the five largest contingents were Untied Kingdom 121, Mexico 108, Sweden 108, Switzerland 30, and Portugal 30.

The United States Contingent had two official items, a contingent badge with the Venturing emblem and a cap with an embroidered badge. The contingent badge was a rectangular multi-color fully embroidered badge with a rolled green edge, 52 x 90 mm. The

tan cap had an oval red & blue embroidered design on white twill with a gray rolled edge, 90 x 58mm.

The Official 12th World Moot participant items were a badge and scarf, one per participant. They also received an official


handbook, ID card and other

informational materials, i.e., newspa

pers, etc. All Moot items had the official

logo. The official logo design description states:

"The green swirl conveys the whirling of our faster-changing

society and new challenges for young people. Scouting, represented

by the world-wide emblem of the Scout Movement, is part of today's society, part

of the community. The red dot represents a Scout who is not swept along with the tide, but

prepared to stand firm as a visible, responsible citizen and leader, contributing to a better, more

peaceful world."

The official badge was a yellow colored fully embroidered Moot logo, dome shape badge with laser cut edge, 100 x 65 mm. The official scarf was a yellow cloth with a multicolor embroidered Moot design.

There were many souvenirs available, including a white colored fully embroidered badge like the official badge and a large yellow colored fully embroidered badge for the jacket. Because Taiwan produces many embroidered badges there were many other badges available for the different activities and venues.

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COLLECTING CAMP PATCHES

CAMP HATS AND MORE

The deadline for submitting a camp column pretty much coincides with the date I receive my previous issue of the ISCA Journal, so there is not very much time to receive and process feedback from readers of the current column before the next column must be submitted. However, Steve DeWick of PA promptly wrote about my ADMIRAL PERRY 1944 GUYASUTA patch in the September, 2004 issue. Steve said that it is most likely a camporee patch from the old Admiral Perry DISTRICT in the Allegheny Council. Guyasuta is still a very viable innercity camp that has a new COPE course, a renovated swimming pool, new campsites and 9 bridges that cross a stream making the trail totally handicap accessible. Steve was his council's camping chairperson and renovating Guyasuta was one of his major projects.

Rob Kutz of VA has an interesting old felt patch that he was told was from New England. It is an inverted felt triangle with the letters "B" "s" and "A" in the 3 corners and pine trees and mountains in the center. Does anyone know where this is from?

Paul Myers of IN has 0 f ten provided wonderful historical camp material and he was in top form when he sent me some photocopies of a book

about early northwest camps such as CAMP CHINIDERE of the old Portland (OR) Council. The camp was established in 1914 or 15 on Wahtum Lake in the Cascade

Range. There was a felt crest-shaped patch with a large "c" in the center. This patch

apparently was also given out at the first year of operation of CAMP MERIWETHER.

Paul's book also had pictures of early patches from CAMP LlMBERLOST of Anthony Wayne Area Council in IN and from CAMP RINGWAAK, possibly from the same council. The Limberlost patch was two felt butterflies with a felt "L" connecting them and the Ringwaak patch is also a felt butterfly with a felt

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"R" on one wing. There also was a red felt Eagle shaped patch that was given to meritorious scouts at Camp Limberlost.

Roy More of MI sent in a couple of oldies that need ID. The first one is a red felt round with a white "c" and 35 in the center with a buttonhole loop. The other is a round gray felt patch with a green "M" and "32" in the center of a green inner border. Does anyone recognize them?

Since we are talking about a patch from the 30's, I was wondering about a black felt teepee patch with a light orange felt "37" sewn on it that I acquired at the Unami TOR in Philly. It is the general shape of CAMP WAUWEPEX from Nassau County Council. I asked Garry Vaiana who collects that camp and he said that the felt CW patches he knew about were all maroon and blue but that it was possible this preceded the maroon felts. He did note that the CW

patches have an entrance cut-out (see illustration - the CW and the numeral 2 may not show up as there is little contrast between the silkscreen and the felt).

There was another blue felt teepee with a felt letter "s" offered by Brush Creek from the Great Kansas Hoard that

was identified as being from CAMP SQUANTO of Squanto Council. Do any readers have any other felt teepee patches (either identified or not)? Please send clear photocopies or scans if possible.


Bill Mulrenin of NY sent a scan of a round patch with a "c" and "s" interlocking in the center that needs identification. Bill said these came with several other old Brooklyn items. Bill noted there were two Brooklyn camps at Ten Mile River that began with the letter "s" -CAMP SACUT and CAMP STAHAHE but it is also possible this patch may not be a Brooklyn item.

Has anyone ever heard of CAMP CAMPBELLCREST? I have a photocopy of a 1935 medal that was presented to a John Kincaid for being the Most Outstanding Camper. I am sorry but I don't have the name of who sent this to me although it is possible I just downloaded it from you-know-where. I googled it and there were no matches of the camp name without a space between Campbell and Crest and there were around 35,000 matches with the space. Since the medal does not have the space, I won't include all 35,000 matches here. Unfortunately, I do not have a picture of the other side of the medal so I can not say for sure that is a BSA camp.

Although camp cloth hats are not used today, I have seen some from the 1930's and 40's with great camp patches sewn on them or camp emblems silk-screened on them. Paul Myers of IN sent a scan of a hat from CAMP ARROYO SEQUOIA. I am not certain if that is one camp name (I am not familiar with such

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a camp OR if there were two camps from Sequoia Council as I do know they had a CAMP SEQUOIA. Another was a navy blue cap with a 1933 Boy Scout Camp patch on it. anyone know where it is from? Finally, there was a hat on "that" auction site with great patches but poor images. There were 3 felt patches from CAMP ARATABA of Arrowhead Council in CA from the early 1930's. They were round, triangle and diamond shaped. Our editor will have to decide if he wants to include the illustration(s).

Wilbur Williamson of IL sent a scan of a possible old camp patch that needs an ID. It was found in a box of Scout items. It is a dark green felt leaf with a yellow felt "H". It is 1.25 x 2.25 inches in size.

It seems fitting that the last patch on this column's agenda begins with Z. There is a felt shield patch with a "z" and something else I can't identify from CAMP ZANE from Zane Trace A. Council in OH. The owner of the patch thought it was a staff patch.

Best wishes to all Camp Patch Collectors for a happy holiday and a healthy new year. I hope you all add many camp needs to your collections.

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HOBBY TRENDS

YEAR IN REVIEW by ROY MORE -/SCA # 0020L

It has been another year so it's time to reflect and think about what has happened in the hobby and where it is going. This continues to be a great hobby: good items, good history, good feelings and good research.

Historically there has been legitimacy to these collectibles as they were not issued as collectibles but as program materials and recognition items. One can't say that about baseball cards or many other collectibles. I say historically because this may be changing. More items are appearing that are made or targeted towards collectors. These are usually offered at exorbitant prices and profits. Time will tell if these hold their value. More importantly, these could turn collectors off. This happened with baseball cards in the 1990s, CSPs in the 1980s and other collectibles at other times.

Another trend is that there are more people participating in the hobby but, in general, they are less informed. Most collectors have entered or, in many cases, re-entered the hobby in the past 5 years. For quite some time now, I have defined "old" as something that came out before one began collecting. For such a collector, it is hard to distinguish from an OA lodge's 1990 75th anniversary flap and the 1 per life restricted, no trade issue from the 1960s. Both came out before such a collector started. Actually, they may have seen others with the 1990 flap but never seen the restricted issue. Their sense of value based upon scarcity is usually off. Put another way, the restricted issues are under appreciated.

There is increased interest on the part of collectors in more than just the badges. There seems to be more interest in the history. In other collecting areas this might be called ephemera - program passes, meeting minutes, membership cards, etc. Although all Scouting collectibles might be referred to as ephemera as they are offshoots of the Scouting program, I now see collectors seeking the paper and disposable material in many programs. This is true at least for Order of the Arrow items and World Jamboree memorabilia.

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We'll have to see if this trend extends into other areas.

Trade-o-rees (TORs)

TORs seem to be declining if they are poorly run. It is expensive to travel outside your area. Dallas continues to be the best national, annual show. The NOAC show was again in a large space. They had a large display area along with display contests. This is another positive about this show. This year's NOAC TOR was shorter than 2002 but that seemed to work better. Due to the lack of adequate facilities in the NOAC city of Ames, Iowa the TOR was held in Des Moines. It worked out ok this time. The last time this occurred we were in Indianapolis and NOAC was at Bloomington it did not work out as there were competing TORs. I believe those who participated in this TOR viewed it as a success although attendance by contingents was down. 2006 NOAC is in Lansing, Michigan where we should be able to have adequate in town facilities. We hope to see you there. With NOAC moving to a Saturday start, there was less interest in the TOR even though there is no NOAC program to speak of on campus. With the TOR out of town, it was not easy for contingents just coming in to participate in the TOR. Regional shows can be solid if the sponsors focus on the customers. If the sponsors are 'in it for the money' then the results may be mixed. (Before someone flames me, I recognize that no TOR organizer makes meaningful money if they factor in the hours they spend, but clearly some organizers have that as a primary focus when I think customers should be the first consideration.)

eBay

eBay is still, and will for the foreseeable future, be the dominant forum for selling Scouting memorabilia. Most dealers have cut back or eliminated their mailing lists for regular eBay selling. From our experience the costs are just as high (we used to spend $6,000 to put out a

newspaper catalog before we sold a single item) but things can turn more quickly.

Three dealers account for about 20% of the listings (TSPA/The Scout Patch Auction, Brushcreek Trading, and Streamwood. )

The average selling price is under $20. The median, the 50/50 point, is even lower. I don't know if it is just Boy Scout collectibles but it is wild to see 15 bids on a lot and it is only up to $10.51. Talk about the old days when patches were bid up $0.25 at a time. I am not sure what this says about the bidders. Roughly 60% of the items sell which also means close to half do not. Still, many consider this the golden age for collectibles, as items come out of the attics that would have gone to the city dump.

Ebay is very much a "buyer beware" environment. Some recent examples include: a lot that was labeled as a type 1 Silver Beaver that had the wrong pendant and the wrong pin, "OA" put into the title of things that aren't OA, putting 'come on' patches that aren't what they are titled. For example, I saw a solid embroidered Philturn patch that was actually a patch cut-out from the center of an anniversary patch. I have also seen 'vintage' jamboree patches that must be 'real' because they came from the 1973 National Jamboree although they are plastic-backed reproductions issued by the BSA as trading post items. Other problems include cheap patches and ridiculous shipping charges. For example, we saw a $0.37 patch with $3.00 handling fee.

Ebay remains impersonal and provides virtually no education. Even the priCing information could be misleading unless one looks at a lot of information over time. To Snipe or not Snipe - who does it help? Senior/experienced collectors. Actually we would prefer bid-offs, thus making it true auctions. Although there is some economic theory behind it that says it leads to fair pricing, eBay's format, I believe under sells rare or rarely seen items. The format works to the advantage of experienced buyers as they have a


better sense of value. Because the sniping systems are out there, I can't deny their existence.

I do not know if this is a surprise or not but consistently, when looking at the highest priced items on eBay they are non-OA items. The majority of the top ten highest priced items are either insignia or world jamboree. OA items are represented but they usually are just a small proportion.

Category Review

The following are my general impressions about the interest level in major segments of our hobby.

OA

OA continues to be the highest valued area of Scouting memorabilia. Within this though there are several sub-categories that each have their own trend. Here are some of them.

First flaps continue to be solid. There are new highs in values on a regular basis although not across the board. Dave Thomas and I took some heat a few years back for publishing here in ISCA an updated value guide. Some thought the prices were too high. Now, for some although not all, the prices listed would be great buying prices.

For merged lodge issues there is a general closing of the values between the restricted issues and the common issues post lodge merger.

There was a lot of excitement around the new NOAC issues but that seemed to have faded more quickly this year as we got away from NOAC than in recent NOACs. This year, after collectors filled in their collections, prices declined. From a trading perspective, Scouts were better prepared this year for trading. Most came with fistfuls of patches to trade but they may not be valued much more than one for one issues for some years to come.

As prices move up the "provenance," i.e. background and documentation, of a patch and any certification are becoming increasingly important in the higher valued items. Also, condition is increasingly important as those willing to pay top dollar are demanding top conditioned patches.

I believe we are getting into dangerous territory, though when new issues to be offered up for more than anything else from the lodge. For example, we saw a

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lodge 147 delegate item being offered at a minimum bid higher than any other issue from the lodge including their first flap or first issue.

Another problem that seems to be centered on eBay is the creation and sale of privately made re-issued flaps. Some make sense like a 34 Gonlix or 241 Tomahawk but others make no sense at all. It will be interesting to see some years hence when collections get offered up and people think they have a multi-hundred or even multi-thousand dollar patch that in reality is a fake. There will be a grading and authentication service for this area (actually we're working on one with some other collectors.) Collectors will require assurance that what they are buying is true and accurate particularly when making a major financial commitment.

Shoulder Wear

CSPs - Cool but still the most broadly collected area of Scouting memorabilia.

JSPs - Flat - depends upon council

Red and Whites (and other pre-CSPs) Sizzling. There are more four figure ($1,000+) items in this category as a percent of the total items than any other area of shoulder wear and maybe a greater proportion than any other Scouting collectible area.

Community strips are now actively collected. It was not that long ago that these were considered throwaways. Peter Bielak of the Trading Post told me of his experiences visiting Lyon Brothers, a major patch manufacturer for the BSA, that had row upon row of warehouse shelves full of boxes with these strips. When he visited the company a few months later, the shelves were empty because they had taken truckloads to the city dump as they had been discontinued. One negative aspect of this area of excitement is that fakes are beginning to surface.

Insignia

Sizzling. We can't find enough quality items. We can't find enough vintage items. 'Odd' cloth items are dramatically under appreciated. For example, wool, fine twill, and serge-based badges often do not sell for much more than their twill cloth brethren but they are magnitudes rarer. Fine twill merit badges are the only area where there has been a distinction for a period of time. But even for fine twills it has been a relatively short period. Fine

twills are going for 10 times their original estimate.

Merit badges

Squares - Sizzling for the rarest issues and teens; flat elsewhere Fine twills and wide crimp - If accurately described, sizzling. Many wide crimps offered though are squares cut and folded down. Many are hard to authenticate as wide crimps.

Rank

Eagles - Solid/flat Silver Awards - Solid Combined ranks - Sizzling

World Jamborees

Very hot All years All items

US National Jamborees

Very flat

Camps

Felts - Sizzling to solid. Embroidered - Sizzling to solid There is a geographical bias. That is, the same vintage and scarcity of patch can command a widely different price depending upon what part of the country it is from. A major estate of a Region 8 committee man lead to some very interesting auction results this past summer that enlightened collectors to the potential value for some of these badges. On the other hand, not all felt camp patches will bring $20 or even $10. We are soon approaching though the first $1,000 camp patch. Many of these are scarcer than the comparable OA patch even though the OA patch could bring four or five figures.

High Adventure Bases

Philmont - Solid Sea Base - Limited action Region 7 and Region 10 - Limited action

Region patches

Original 12 - Up from prior years Old 6 - Solid, more than expected Current 4 - Not much history yet

All in all, another good year for the hobby. With next year's National Jamboree and the plans for the various TORs we expect another good year. Go have fun!

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OA LODGE MUGS (Part 3)

By Steve Naro/ski, /SCA #311L

Greetings from northern coast of California! A recent opportunity has brought me to the land of the giant redwoods!

This will be an abbreviated article due to the ensuing move, but there continues to be much to report in this developing collecting pursuit. Feedback continues to roll in on previously unreported mugs. Thanks to all of you that continue to aid in this project. And yes, a complete listing of all of these mugs, updated on a periodic basis, will be made available on line.

Cataloguing & Identification

A couple individuals have pointed out that the "N" or narrow mug type was also called a milk mug or cup. This will be added to the definitions portion.

Kudos go out to Rick Obermeyer who provided me with photocopies of a series of Florida lodge memorabilia he authored in 1976 and later updated in the late 1980's. I will be working to add his and other submissions as time lends itself.

Roy Weatherbee has provided a comprehensive listing of 72 known New England OA lodge mugs at www.pakachoag.com/inf%amugs/

A spreadsheet of these mugs listed in chronological order can be reviewed at: L www.pakachoag.com/i nf%am ugs/ mugs.xls

OA Mug Market Conditions

While not attempting to be a proponent of this online auction site, eBay continues to be an excellent source of Boy Scout memorabilia, including OA lodge mugs. Listing for cups and mugs have become frequent enough that eBay has segregated them from other BSA memorabilia and into their own category.

On the average, there are 100-250 BSA related mugs listed on eBay at anyone time, whether by individual mugs, in groups, or mixed in with other memorabilia. Most common final pricing ranges from $0.99 to $5.99. A recent

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series of Dixie fellowship/conclave mugs ended on eBay in mid-October from Chris Jensen, realizing anywhere from $20.00 - $223.00 and continue to be the hotbed for collecting.

The most expensive mug sales noted during the past quarter was a 1966 Dixie Fellowship mug @ $223.00, eclipsing a copy of the previously reported "it" mug -a 1965 Dixie Fellowship - sold during this same period for a mere $156.00.

New listings

New OA lodge mugs continue to be documented seemingly on a daily basis. While the principle source for these discoveries remains eBay, other sources have contributed to the expansion of this knowledge base. Mugology 101 will report the increase noted to date.

Whatzit? of the 2nd Quarter

New scans per article will be posted with mug images whose origins are uncertain or unknown. They may also not be a perfect fit in what is considered and OA lodge mug. Your help in identifying these mugs is greatly appreciated.

Whatzit #1 - Wah-Tuc-Can turned out to be a fund raiser issue from Wannalacit Lodge #451 to commemorate the nation's Bicentennial. Thanks to Roy Weatherbee, Robert Zadina, and Jonathan Groves for this information.

Whatzit #2 - Area 2 mug was thought to be a generic issuance in the mid- to late 1960's for all lodges in Area 2A(?) also from Mr. Groves. Having reviewed Chris Jensen's conclave compilation handbook, this was not a design used for a particular conclave year.

Whatzit? for the 3,d Quarter

1981 OA Skills Camp

1984 OA Skills Camp

These may come from a midwest council. Can anyone confirm this?

Upcoming Article & Request for Assistance

The next project will include recording all known OA conclave mugs. The next article will include a breakdown in what mugs directly associated with a conclave by year will be presented.

If you have any OA conclave mugs, please send me a list, as I will be soliciting scans for ones not already on file.

Results

This is by no means the absolute definitive listing for all existing OA lodge specific mugs, but rather a first attempt at a work in progress. For those who have worked on like projects or catalogued your own collection, the effort to get to this pOint represents many hours of data entry, investigation, and review. The value of this effort is as with ali other BSA memorabilia documentation - for the perpetuation of history for those wanting to know about it, now and in the future.

Whatzits?

Whatzit No. 2


To date, about 940 unique and different Order of the Arrow lodge specific mugs have been identified using this technique. It is unknown just how many more ceramic or glass mugs remain uncatalogued or unknown due to age, scarcity, or simple oversight. Your assistance in reviewing what has been identified to date and contributing more information to the overall effort is greatly appreciated.

The identification and actual scans for the list, along with many known OA conclave mugs, will be posted at the following website (which is currently going through an update) www.gilwell.com/lodgeMugs

Comments, error corrections, suggestions, scans, or other posts can be emailed to me at the following address: [email protected]

Thank you for the continued constructive, criticism of this article and collecting theme. Please keep your comments and additions to the list coming. In future articles, updates of the list will be provided along with discussion about the various documented OA conclave mugs out there.'

Updated Mugology #101 includes the following:

• Over 940 mugs specific to a single OA lodge are documented to date, October 2004.

• A complete OA lodge mug numbers set would include at least 376 different lodge numbers represented.

• A complete OA lodge mug name set would include at least 387 different lodge names represented.

• Blue Heron Lodge #349 remains the most prolific to date, having issued at least 34 distinct and unique general lodge, lodge chapter, and lodge activity mugs.

• The lodge issuing the second most number of mugs is Unami Lodge with 16 known mugs.

• The highest amount paid for a mug on eBay during the past quarter was $223.71 for a 1966 Dixie Fellowship mug in October, 2004.

• Latest old previously unreported mug comes from Sagamore Lodge #130.

• Latest old plastic mug discovered appears to be a custom made one with colored photocopies of individual lodge flaps, probably made by the original owner.

• Approximately 30 new mugs were discovered since the last article.

• At least 75 mugs have the nondescript OOA design.

• At least 552 mugs have some OA lodge patch issue design featured on them.

• At least 40 mugs have the MGM design on them.

• Of the known mugs, over 750 of them are of the standard mug type.

• The most unique current trend in OA lodge mugs continues to be etched glass mugs.

MUG LISTING CONTINUED

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309b S wht No 309R1 - blk blk - wht background, not Ibl

310a S off wht No MGM wht blk blk - blk "KASKANAMPO 310/FALL FELLOWSHIP" below MGM

311b S offwht Yes 311S2 - org org -311b S off wht Yes 311S7 wht blk wht - (1973 NJ West)

312b S offwht No 312R1 - blu blu -312b S off wht Yes 312S3 - blk blk -312b N offwht Yes 312S3 - blk blk -313c S offwht Yes 313F2 - wht wht -313c S wht No 313S7 red dyl dyl - (10th anniversary)

317a S offwht Yes OOA wht blk blk - blk "Guneukitschik Lodge 317"

317a S offwht Yes 317X1 - blk blk (25th anniversary)

317a S offwht No 317S5 - blk blk blk

317a S offwht No rectangle - grn grn grn 1974 Powwow

317a S off wht No 317S6 - yel yel yel (30th anniversary)

317a N off wht No round - wht wht - "30th ANNIVERSARY BANQUET"

322d T wht Yes 32S2 - dyl dyl red "1968 Powwow - 6"

yel triangle wi blk 'TO.M.lCAMP MAUBILAIWOA CHOLENA LODGE" & peace pipe & Micosay bear claw necklace & lodge

322d S wht No triangle - blk blk - totem


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323a S offwht Yes 323S2 - - red brn border, red arrowhead

323a S offwht No MGM blu blu blu - blu stylized "ARROWHEAD LODGE 323" below MGM

red "ORDER OF THE ARROW' above "MOUNT BAKER AREA 325a S offwht Yes 325S1 wht wht red COUNCIL"

325a S offwht Yes totem - blk - red PNW totem, blk "ORDER OF THE ARROW'

326a S offwht Yes OOA dyl blk blk blk blk "TIPISA LODGE 326/CENTRAL FLORIDA COUNCIL"

326a S offwht Yes 326P1 - yel - -326a S offwht No 326P1 - dyl - -326a N offwht No square wht wht - wht wht 1915-1990 ORDER OF THE ARROW CAMPOREE

327a S offwht Yes totem blu red blu lodge totem

327a S offwht Yes 327S6 red blu red -327a S offwht No totem blu blk blu blk 40th ANNIVERSARY, sunset scene

330a S offwht Yes OOA dyl blk blk blk

330a S offwht Yes 330S1 - brn red brn brn cncl above flap design

330a N offwht Yes 330S5 - red/brn red/brn brn brn 30 YEARS OF SERVICE, name & number in 2 places

331a S offwht Yes OOA wht blk blk

331a S offwht Yes 331F1 - wht wht -332a S offwht Yes OOA wht blk blk blk blk "DUNDEE, MICHIGAN" after cncl name

335a S offwht No A brn red red - 335N4 design w/arrowhead & arrow

336a S offwht No 336S7 red red red -336a S wht No MGM blk blk blk - blk "SPRING ORDEAL 1985"

336a N wht No 336S11 yel yel yel - red "40" (anniversary issue)

337a S offwht Yes OOA wht blk blk blk red "FRIENDSHIP DINNER" in lower part of circle, scout sign in

337a S offwht Yes round - red - - front of 2 mountains w/2 stars on either side of hand

blk "ORDER OF THE ARROW' right of eagle, blk "CVC" below w/ 337a S wht No totem red blk blk blk Ws above, & lodge name & number to right

340a S offwht Yes 340S1 red red -340a S wht No MGM blk blk blk -340a S wht No MGM blk blk - - blk "TIMUQUAN LODGE/1992 VIGIL HONOR" below MGM

totem etched in glass stein "Timuquan Lodge 340" & "50" with 340a G clear No totem - - - - eagle superimposed over "50"

341a S offwht Yes 341S3 red red -342b S off wht Yes 342S4 - pgr pgr -342b S offwht Yes 342S15 - yel blk 346b S offwht Yes 346S4 - red red red design most similar to this issue w/brown horns

346b S offwht Yes 346S5 blk blk - blk "E. URNER GOODMAN AWARD", blk border

346b S offwht Yes dancer red red red red (1975 OA Handbook NA dancer design)

346b S off wht No rectangle blu blu blu blu totem w/mountain and sunset scene

346b S wht No totem - blk blk - red MGM &OA

348a S off wht No 348S5 red grn red -348a N wht No 348S15 red red/blk red/blk blk name & number in 2 places

348a S offwht No MGM blk blk - -349a T wht Yes totem - blk - heron flying to the left of cup handle

349a T wht Yes totem - - blk - heron flying to the right of mug handle

349a S offwht Yes OOA wht blk blk blk blk. "NO. 549"

349a T offwht Yes 349A1 - wht wht - wht "20th ANNIVERSARY" on blk horseshoe

349a T offwht No round blu blu - blu "1969 FALL FELLOWSHIP", red Vigil triangle

349a S offwht No 349S2 red Ibl -349a S off wht Yes 349X2 - wht wht - yel border (not red)

349a S offwht Yes 349X2 - wht wht - red border

349a S offwht Yes totem - blu blu - blu "1970 FALL FELLOWSHIP" on scallop shell design

blk "25 YEARS, FOLLOWING THE ARROW OF CHEERFUL 349a S offwht Yes totem blk blk - SERVICE"

wht "1971 FALL FELLOWSHIP" on blk horseshoe, "25th 349a S offwht Yes totem - wht wht - ANNIVERSARY"

349a S offwht Yes wreath - red/grn red - red/grn "1971 CHRISTMAS BANQUET"

blk "PIPSICO 1972", red "TRADITION/CHEERFUL 349a S offwht Yes cube - blk - SERVICE/INSPIRATION", blu "MH/RP"


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blk "1972 BEAVER DAY", wht OA in log, blk "PIPSICO SCOUT 349a S offwht Yes round - blk - - RESERVATION"

349a S off wht Yes round - blk - - blk "1972 FALL FELLOWSHIP"

349a S offwht No wreath red/grn - - red/grn "1972 CHRISTMAS BANQUET"

349a S offwht Yes round - org org - org "1973 FALL FELLOWSHIP LODGE ORDEAL"

349a S offwht No round - blk blk - blk "1974 FALL FELLOWSHIP"

349a S offwht No wreath blk blk - 1974 Christmas Banquet, Ordeal Sash over pipe

349a S offwht No turtle - wht blk blk "PAVAB", wht "1975 CHAPTER FELLOWSHIP"

349a S offwht Yes oval - wht wht - blk "30th ANNIVERSARY", wht "FALL FELLOWSHIP" w/US flag

349a S offwht No hexagon ror ror - ror "1977 FALL FELLOWSHIP"

349a S off wht No round - blk blk - blk "1978 PAVAB CHAPTER FELLOWSHIP"

349a S offwht No wreath - blu blu - blu "1978 CHRISTMAS BANQUET"

349a S wht No wreath - wht wht - wht "1980 CHRISTMAS BANQUET"

wht "1981 ", blk "FALL FELLOWSHIP", wht "35TH 349a S wht No oval blk wht wht - ANNIVERSARY"

red "75th ANNIVERSARY of WORLD SCOUTING 1982 FALL 349a S wht No oval yel red - - FELLOWSHIP"

349a S off wht No arrowhead - brn brn - brn "1983 FALL FELLOWSHIP"

349a S offwht No wreath - wht - - wht "40th ANNIVERSARY CHRISTMAS BANQUET"

blk "PIPSICO MINE WAS TO BUILD", cabin in forest scene on 349a S off wht Yes round - - - blue circle in blue circle

349a S offwht No wreath blk blk - blk "1987 CHRISTMAS BANQUET" inside of wreathe

349a S offwht Yes round - red - Ibr "BEAVER WEEKEND"

wht "1991", Ibl "45th ANNIVERSARY", red W's, wetland scene with 349a S offwht No horseshoe dyl dyl red - 3 herons

350a S wht No MGM wht blk blk blk "MAKA-INA #350IWw'w''' below MGM

354a T wht Yes 354R1 - red red red red "DEL PASO DISTRICT CAMPOREE" above & "APRIL 11 12

354a S off wht Yes 354F1 - gry gry gry 13 1969" below flap design, flap lettering only in gry

355a S offwht Yes OOA dyl blk - blk red "NANUK LODGE" above & red "WESTERN ALASKA

355a N wht No 355S40 red red red red COUNCIL" below flap design

357a S offwht Yes OOA wht blk blk -357a S offwht Yes 357X1 grn grn - grn "ORDER OF THE ARROW"

357a S offwht Yes 357X2 - grn grn - grn "ORDER OF THE ARROW"

357a S offwht Yes 357X3 - grn grn - grn "ORDER OF THE ARROW"

357a S offwht Yes 357S1 wht brn wht - grn/brn/wht design of 357S1, OOA on reverse 358a N gray No 358S4 - red red - speckled gray plastic mug, lodge name & # on reverse

358a N gray No 358S4 - dgr dgr - speckled gray plastic mug, lodge name & # on reverse

359b S off wht Yes OOA wht blk blk - blk "AQUANINONCKE #359"

360a S offwht Yes OOA wht blk blk blk blk "SUFFOLK COUNTY COUNCIL, L.I., NY"

360a S offwht Yes 360S1 - red red - blk "25th ANNIVERSARY 1947-1972"

360a N wht No 360S3 blk blk -blk "SHINNECOCK LODGE NO. 360/SUFFOLK COUNTY

360a S offwht Yes MGM blk blk blk blk COUNCIL, L.I., N.Y." below MGM

blu "PENATAQUIT DISTJSPRING CAMPOREE/NETAMI-360a S offwht No triangle red - - - MAWAT" around NA profile, red "'78" & W's, chparter issue

364a S offwht No 364S3 blk grn grn blk flap design on reverse, gld "1947-1997 50/LOON LODGE 364"

364a N dbl No 364S12 gld gld gld - w/lodge totem over "5" & MGM in "0"

366a S off wht Yes 366F1 - red red - no yel in bonnett w/3 red strips below wht rosette

no yel in bon nett w/2 red & 1 wht strips below wht rosette, Ibl 366a S off wht Yes 366F1 - red red - background 367a S offwht Yes 367S6 - yel red blk 368a S offwht Yes totem red red red standing raccoon

368a S offwht Yes OOA wht blk blk - blk "TAPAWINGO LODGE #368IWARREN, OHIO" below OOA 369b T wht Yes 369X1 - blk yel blk (lodge name under 369X1)


2004 NOAC STAFF ITEMS

This article will attempt to list all of the official NOAC uniform items and all of the Staff pieces. Both official and unofficial items are included. It will be up to you, the collector, to decide if or how to narrow your collection. The following items are what I would choose to collect from the 2004 NOAC. Good luck!

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) Official Delegate patch, gold border vertical rectangular patch with black loop, one per delegate.

) Official patch sold in the trading post. Same design as above with no loop. Unlimited purchase.

) Same design as above with silver mylar border. Extremely limited.

) Same design as above as jacket patch. Unlimited purchase.

) Same design as above as paper decal. Unlimited purchase.

) Same design as above as colorful pin. Unlimited purchase.

) Same design as above as key chain. Unlimited purchase.

) Same design as above; official round Staff patch with blue border. Unlimited purchase, but limited to Staff.

) Same design as above; official round Staff patch with silver mylar border. One per Staff member.

) Same design as above; round metal cane emblem.

) Same design as above; round neckerchief slide.

) Same design as above; round bolo tie.

) Same design as above; vertical rectangle patch luggage tag with white tie.

) Same design as above; half moon pewter colored belt buckle.

) Same design as above; embroidered on red cloth neckerchief.

) Paper Delegate nametag in plastic, horizontal rectangle with patch design in upper left hand corner and name to right.

) Paper Staff nametag in plastic, vertical rectangle with patch design filling most of bottom 60% and name of Staff member and Staff work area in center top.

) Paper meal pass, rectangle business card shape.

) Paper invitation to DSA, Red Arrow and Lifetime Achievement Awards reception.

) National Eagle Scout Association (NESA) colorful metal pin with NESA emblem, NOAC 2004 and Iowa State.

) Operation Service Award, gold patch with black rolled edge and loop given to Delegates who put in two hours of service during the conference.

) Operation Service Award Staff, same patch as above with silver mylar border. I have been told about this patch but have never seen it.

) American Indian Affairs (AlA) Staff patch with brown rolled edge and loop. This was the AlA Staff trader available to AlA Staff.

) AlA Staff patch as above with gold mylar rolled edge. One per Staff member.

) Joseph Csatari "Meet The Man" patch, gold rolled edge border vertical rectangle patch with gold loop.

) The Outdoor Adventure Place (TOAP) Staff patch, vertical rectangle with red loop and red rolled edge.

) TOAP Staff patch, horizontal rectangle with no loop and green rolled edge.

) NAUI Worldwide Dive Safely Through Education NOAC 2004 patch, horizontal rectangle with red rolled edge.

) Special Events Staff patch, gold tall and thin rectangle with gold cut edge border and gold loop.

) Training Staff red patch with gold rolled edge and silver grommet, used for identification of training Staff. One per Staff member.

) NOAC Certified "Chosen to Serve Inspired To Lead" OA Troop/Team Rep & Unit Elections Trainer tan horizontal rectangle patch with tan rolled edge border, given to attendees.

) Patch Design Training 2004 National OA Conference "Your Design Here" round patch with red rolled edge and black loop, given to attendees.


) Late Night With OA Training, 2004 "How to not get hosed" The Ethics of Patch Trading, black horizontal rectangle patch with blue rolled edge.

) Inductions and Ceremonial Events (ICE) Staff black flap with gold border and loop. Lodge 2% Staff issue given one per Staff member.

) ICE Staff flap without loop. ) ICE Staff vertical rectangle patch with

brown rolled edge border. ) ICE Staff white round with gold rolled

edge border and black loop. ) Health Services Staff black vertical

rectangle patch with blue rolled edge border. This was the issue made for trading.

) Health Services Staff as above with gold mylar rolled edge border and loop. Restricted limited issue.

) Health Services Staff as above with silver mylar rolled edge border and loop, primarily made for presentation on Staff plaques. 12 made.

) Health Services Staff silver badge (pin)

) Olympic Expo horizontal rectangle partially embroidered patch with black rolled edge border.

) Olympic Expo Staff horizontal rectangle solid embroidered patch with red rolled edge border and loop.

) Olympic Expo Staff as above with gold mylar rolled edge border and loop.

) Olympic Expo Staff as above with silver mylar rolled edge border and loop with certificate for sponsors.

) National Endowment Donor (NED) with bronze mylar cut edge, Sea Base design with loop.

) NED as above for Philmont. ) NED as above for Northern Tier. ) National Endowment Donor (NED)

with gold mylar cut edge, Sea Base design with loop.

) NED as above for Philmont. ) NED as above for Northern Tier. ) National Endowment Donor (NED)

with silver mylar cut edge, set of three as above, for Sea Base, Philmont and Northern Tier in folder. 1 of 750 sets made.

) NOAC Shows Staff black, key shaped patch with red cut edge border and silver grommet, hanging from red neck ribbon which says Event Producers on it. This was used for Staff entry and was given one per Show Staff members.

) VIP Seating nametag encased in plastic and made to hang behind Staff nametag.

) Usher yellow patch in the shape of a flashlight with brown cut edge border and loop with a small Ku-ni-eh emblem above the word usher.


REGISTRATION I tIOUSUffi

) Honor Ceremonial Team black and white round with black rolled edge border and loop.

) Honor Costume Inductions and Ceremonies blue ribbon with gold letters. Award for costumes in ceremonies. First NOAC this award was given.

) Honor Ceremonial Team bronze 2 %" arrowhead design medal with white neck ribbon. This was the pre-Ordeal medal.

) Honor Ceremonial Team medal as above with red neck ribbon. This was the Brotherhood Medal.

) Honor Ceremonial Team Medal as above with blue neck ribbon. This was the Vigil medal.

) Historic Ceremonies - NOAC 2004 - Honor Team bronze 2 %" arrowhead and burning logs design medal with black and white neck ribbon.

) OA Center For History (Museum) 6 sided vertical, all felt prototype patch with black cut edge border.

) Same, prototype with blue cut edge border.

) Same, prototype with silver cut edge border.

) Same, prototype with gold cut edge border.

) Round all felt prototype of NOAC OA Museum patch, same design as 1948 NOAC patch.

) OA Center For History (Museum) 6 sided felt patch with embroidery and white rolled edge border and loop used for competitions.

) Same with blue rolled edge border and loop used for volunteer and other assigned Staff.

) Same with silver mylar rolled edge border and loop used for Staff personnel.

) Same with gold mylar rolled edge border and loop used for special thank you's to Staff.

) 2004 NOAC Museum Commemorative patch. Round felt with embroidered design and lettering similar to design of 1948 NOAC patch but says NOAC OA Museum and '04 Iowa State University.

) Museum commemorative copy of the first OA handbook. Cover says "Hand Book Order of the Arrow".

) Museum Staff nametag with Staff patch design and "Museum Docent".

) Same with "Museum Security". ) Same with "VIP" ) Same with Staff member's name. ) Special 2004 NOAC Museum VIP

Pass, business card size and shape. ) Brotherhood Band and Chorus

vertical oval patch with red mylar border and loop.

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Registration/Housing Staff white felt square patch with black rolled edge border and loop. Same with blue rolled edge border and loop. Same with maroon rolled edge border and loop. University Services Staff solid flap, multicolored, with red rolled edge border, Same but black ghost flap with colored bird, Same but maroon ghost flap with colored bird. Same but white ghost flap with colored bird, Sons of Confederate Veterans Founders Day Exhibit Staff red uncut two piece (flap and chevron) with red cut edge border. Same with black cut edge border, Same with gold mylar cut edge border. Same with silver mylar cut edge border, Founder's Day wooden nickel with green lettering for "Founder's Fair". Founder's Day wooden nickel with red lettering for "Goodman's Games",

) ISCA 2004 Pre-NOAC Trade-O-Ree vertical rectangle patch with red rolled edge and loop,

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) ISCA 2004 NOAC Memorabilia Staff vertical rectangle patch with blue rolled edge and loop.

) ISCA 2004 NOAC/Pre-NOAC TOR Memorabilia Staff nametag encased in plastic. ISCA E-Member 2004 charter member mini-flap with charter member membership card, Northeast Region vertical rectangle patch with blue rolled edge border and loop, Southern Region round with silver mylar cut edge border and white loop. Central Region vertical rectangle patch with maroon rolled edge border and black loop, Western Region round patch with black rolled edge border. Same as large jacket patch.


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Our primary purpose is to provide education regarding Scouting memorabilia and

Promotion of an ISCA Ethics Policy

A few of the benefits of membership are:

THE ISCA "JOURNAL" Subscription to The ISCA "Journal", a QUARTERLY MAGAZINE featuring ISCA events, Trade-O-Ree information and reports, history of Scouting memorabilia, news of new patches, Special Topics, Letters to the Editor and lots more.

EXPANDING YOUR COLLECTING/TRADING OPPORTUNITIES Members can access a roster of members giving their name, address, phone number, e-mail address and their collecting and trading interests.

NATIONAL EVENT PARTICIPATION ISCA takes a leading role in holding seminars, furnishing displays & providing information to new collectors. This is done at Section Conclaves, National Order of the Arrow Conferences & other opportunities. ~~~~~~~.",-...,

TRADE-O-REE's IseA SPONSORS Trade-O-Ree's around the country. These Trade-O-Ree's provide an opportunity for fellowship, education, displaying of collections and trading face to face. Meeting your mail trading friend can be an exciting experience. Trade-O-Ree's are listed in every issue of the ISeA Report and on the ISeA web-site. '--""""""""""-""""'::;;.;.0;,;;0'"'1

ISCA WEB-SITE (with Members ONLY Section) ISCA maintains one of the best web-sites on the internet devoted to the hobby of Scouting memorabilia. Also, access the members only section including an on-line Membership directory which includes what members collect.

JOIN TODAY! Annual dues are only $25 for adults, $10 for youth under 18 years old. Life Memberships in the US are $350. Overseas dues are $40. *To join, you must certify compliance with and agree to abide by the ISCA Code of Ethics.

Membership Information is available on our web-site OR

Send a comoleted aoolication with check or charae card information to: ISCA c/o DOUG KRUTILEK 1305 Singing wood Court #1, Walnut Creek CA 94595


Your invitation to join [SeA, the

INTERNATIONAL SCOUTING COLLECTORS ASSOCIATION Formed from a merger of the American Scouting Traders Association (ASTA) & the National Scouting Collectors Society (NSCS)

Name: ___________________________ __ ISCA Number (if renewing):

Address: _____________ _ City, State, Zip: _____________ _

. Home Phone: ( ___ ) ___ _ E-Mail Address: _______________ _

Council Name: Lodge Number: ___ _

Memberships: OVERSEAS Please Print

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N/A ___ $40.00 _ $40.00 (Under 18 yrs old, birth date: _______ _

Please make checks payable to ISCA or the International Scouting Collectors Association, Inc. Dues are not tax deductible.

For information, $20 of the annual dues is allocated to the newsletter. You may also charge your membership.

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ISCA COLLECTING CODES

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Note:By submitting my dues, I agree to abide by the ISCA Code of Ethics. (Please check the items of most interest to you - CHECK NO MORE THAN 12)

Codes will be listed in the ISCA Membership Directory found on our web site

ORDER of the ARROW 10 Collects all OA II Lodge Flaps 12 Hat Pins 13 Mugs 14 Neckerchiefs 15 Neckerchief Slides 16 Activities 17 NOAC 18 Conclave 19 Trade One for One

COUNCILS 20 Collects all Councils 21 CSP's 22 Hat Pins 23 Mugs 24 Neckerchiefs 25 Neckerchief Slides 26 Activities 27 CP's (Council Patches) 28 Camp Patches 29 Trade One for One

As a member of ISCA: I will:

NATIONAL JAMBOREES 30 Collects all Jamboree 31 Pocket/] acket Patches 32 Hat Pins 33 Mugs 34 Neckerchiefs 35 Neckerchief Slides 36 Staff Patches 37 JCP's/JSP's 38 Coins/Bolo/Other 39 Trade One for One

NA TIONALIREGION 40 Collects all items 41 NESA 42 High Adv Bases 43 Historic Trails 44 Philtum/Philmont 45 Wood Badge Items 46 New Regions 47 Alpha Phi Omega 48 Insignia of Office 49 Have Dupes to Trade

S et an example in which all ISCA members will take pride, Consciously, fairly represent all items of Scout memorabilia, A lways follow the rules of the event that apply to trading,

Extend the hand of friendship to all collectors,

EXTINCT MEMORABILIA 50 Collects all items 51 Red & White Strips 52 BrasslMetal Badges 53 Mugs 54 Air Scouts/Air Expl 55 Rover/Lone Scouts 56 Old Regions 57 Camps/Schiff 58 Knights of Dunamis 59 Have Dupes to Trade

INTERNATIONAL 60 Collects all Int'l 61 Foreign Patches (list) 62 Pins/Metal Badges 63 Foreign Memorabilia 64 Neckerchiefs & Slides 65 Scouts on Stamps 66 World Jamborees 67 Foreign Jamborees 68 Indabas, Moots, etc. 69 Have Dupes to Trade

The IS C A CODE OF ETHICS

Trade or sell no patch that I know to be a fake or reproduction without disclosing the fact, Help new collectors get started, I mpress on new collectors the importance of ethics in trading, Currently be eligible to be registered in Scouting, Strive for fairness in all actions consistent with the Scout Oath & Law.

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PUBLICATIONS 70 Collects all items 71 Boy's Life Magazine 72 Scouting Magazine 73 Merit Badge Pamphlets 74 HandbookslFieldbooks 75 Fiction/Non-Fict Books 76 Trading/Memorabilia 77 Jamboree J oumals 78 Lodge/Council Histories 79 Have Dupes to Trade

UNIFORM/INSIGNIA 80 Collects all items 81 Cub Scout Insignia 82 Boy Scout Insignia 83 Explorer Insignia 84 Varsity Insignia 85 Sea Explorer Insignia 86 Religious Medals 87 Religious Activities 88 Foreign Uniforms 89 Have Dupes to Trade

MISCELLANEOUS/Other 90 Baden-Powell Items 91 Merit Badges 92 Coins/MedalslTokens 93 Poster/Paintings/Sketch 94 Scout Knives 95 Plates/Figurines 96 Delete me from lists 97 I want sales lists

98 Willing to write articles

99 I collect everything

_ 100 I do not trade by mail

_ 110 Girl Scouting


VENTURA COUNTY COUNCIL 15TH ANNUAL SCOUT MEMORABILIA

AUCTION 2005

Date: 4th and 5th of February 2005 Time: Doors open 6 PM Friday trading and fellowship until?

Doors open 9 AM Saturday Silent auctions begin 10:00 AM, Live auction 1 PM

Location: Ventura County Council BSA conference rooms (above the Trading Post) 509 Daily Dr. Camarillo, CA 93010

Admission: $5 and includes bid number. Scouts under 18 in uniform free Tables: $12.00 each and includes admission/ bid number Contact: Greg Metzgus, 805 498 5495

Email [email protected] Bill Sternberg, 805 933 9020 Email [email protected]

100 CSP's as pictured above were made with a red/white/blue border and will be sold for $7.00 each at the council trading post and at the auction. 75 silver mylar border patches will be sold for $10.00 each to attendees only on the day of the event. 50 Gold mylar patches were made and will be sold first come first serve for $50.00. They will also be given for a $100.00 donation of OA memorabilia or $150 of other memorabilia for each patch with the proceeds going to help fund Camp Three Falls improvements. (all patches not given out will be publicly destroyed at the TOR)

Name __________________________ ~Adffiss, ______________________________________ ___

City _________________________________________ State _____________ ,Zip __________ _

Telephone _______________________ E-mail ________________________________________ _

____ Tables @$12.00each _________ ___ _Gold mylar patches @$50.00 each __ _

Make checks payable to Ventura County Council BSA Mail to: Ventura County Council BSA 509 Daily Dr. Camarillo, CA 93010 Phone 805 482 8938


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Max Silber Buckle: • 4th National Jamboree (nickel silver)

1957

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WHICH WAY TO SELL? We offci' the most inllovative financia1 solutions. We can provide Payments Up-Front, Fully Accountable Consignment Progralus, Inshlnt Website Seiling, Printed Catalog, Tradoree, E-Bay, or any combination of the above. \Ve want to insure fainless in selling your" collection. Since 1976, we IUlye sold hUllCh"eds of thousands of dolhu"'s wOI"th of I"arc Scout memonlbilia ranging f1"om entire Deale." lnventories, Museums De-Accessions, Fmnily Estates, Boy Scout Councils and of course private collectors. Referrals will be happily provided.

WANT TO KNOW MORE? Simply call us at Brush Creek Trading, Toll Free at 1 (800) 322-3918 or E-mail usat:t."ade@]oapatch.com.ltmay •. vell be the most tinallcially .. ewanting decision you have eyer made.

BRUSH CREEK TRADING COMPANY RARE AND UNUSUAL MEMORABILIA

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Dr. Gene Berman

TM

88-01 35 Ave. Jackson Heights, NY 11372 (718) 458-2292

Looking For: ORDER OF THE ARROW

551 - Brown neckerchief with buffalo

NEW YORK CITY OA LODGE 4 - Ranachqua C-1 Green chenille (6-9 inches tall)

LODGE 24

rock

Oseetah Neckerchief, yellow with red piping and gray silkscreen

Oseetah patch - green leather, gray

NYC COMMUNITY STRIPS-SHAPED LIKE RED AND WHITES

Air Scout - NYC/Brooklyn, Queens, The Bronx, Manhattan Sea Scout - Blue wool/white letters: NYC/Queens,

NYC/Staten Island Red and White - Homemade - Staten Island, NY (one line across)

I will pay amazing prices for my needs. I have excellent OA and CSP dupes. I will pay in four figures

for some of my needs and many in three figures as well. I also pay very high fees for information leading

to my acquiring my needs.

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5339 Spring Valley Rd. D . d E Dallas TX, 75240 a v I . Vigil Honor, Eagle Scout H (817) 261-0570 Currently Lodge 489 IN (972) 991-2121 Th Formerly Lodges 60 &481 Fax(972) 991-3220 0 mas ISCA 0025 Life Email: [email protected]

I collect all OA numbers and names; all NOAC pp. and jp; all Area 9 Cont. pp; all SC Cont. pp.; All SR-2 Badges; Eagle Medals and Badges; All First Flaps trom Every OA Lodge; and all OA issues and Varieties trom Every Texas OA Lodge through 12/31/99.

OLD OA NAME BADGE NEEDS - 195 Ma-Ta-Cam (R), 246 Wakoda (A)

TEXAS OA LODGE ISSUE & VARIETY NEEDS -(Actual Issue Needs are in bold: Variety Needs are not in bold) 35 R1, R4 60 R1 72 P2 9982d 101 --113 X2c, 819b 137 F2b, X2a,c,f, J2a, X6b, X7a, X11a, X12 141 812d,813a,834b,835b,c,836a,S39,S40,S42,S43,S44,S46,S47,S48 199 R1b 232 85b, S12 307 813c, 823a 327 X1, L4 330 F5a,c, F7 341 85a,812a 378 P3, S23 428817b 486 olnA2b, F1a, 813b 486 nln L1, L2, L3 489 P1a, J8b, X2a

I am a co-author of First Flaps, In Color. This book may be purchased through me at the above address for $30, postage and handling paid. The book includes 208 pages in full color and has every Order of the Arrow First Flap from every lodge charted through June 1998. If you are interested in the book, you may contact me at the above address. I will ship the book within two days of receiving payment by U.S. riori mail.

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Far East Council- Buying / Trading Paying TOP DOLLAR for these needs:

498 - Fl (twill sky, solid emb water)

~ .. ~ .. -" '--~ .

. ~./. Blue & Gold •

Clark Air Base strips

P.I. KRS Strip

Ryukyu Islands BWS

Mayon Chapter lP

Bob Cylkowski 2005 Crescent Drive

Champaign, IL 61821-5822

www.fareastbob.com

Morris D. Cooper Collector of

Collector of Louisiana Scout Memor,lbiiia Order of the Arrow • council patches • scout camps • city strips

photos • histories • anything BSA from the Bayou State

Lodges: 149 166 254 264 397 479 563

30 years of experience buying-selling-trading Louisiana BSA memorabilia. Free appraisals.

Also seeking state-shaped patches and scout maps.

John Snead

3040 South Eugene St. Baton Rouge, LA 70808

Special Need! 397 A 1 Wabaningo issue

VIRGINIA STUFF

Collectors of Virginia Scout Memorabilia

OA Only Roanoke Stuff

Joe Drumheller Sam Drumheller (540) 882-4404

40650 Hurley Lane Paeonian Springs, VA 20129


Wayne Farrar, Director/Curator Frank B, Day, Jr., Assistant Curator

The Hammerstone Scout Museum

Founded in ! 985, the Society is a 50 I C Non-profit organization with an exclusive mission of: Supporting the estahlishment of a fitting and proper Museum and other educational facilities, for furthering the SCtHll movement and the heritage of the American Indian. To promote scholarship and research relative to the Scout movement and the heritage of the American Indian. To work cooperatively with the Occo!lccchcc COLIIlCil, BSA and other organizations and individuals in promoting these puq){)ses.

Museum Hours Visitation to the museUTll is by appointment only. Campsites for Boy SCOllt Units and families arc available in the vast area surrounding the Museum. Periodically, camporees arc held ill conjunction with thc Museum activities. If you, your patrol, or somcone you know would like to visit the Muscum, then call or write for a reservation and a schedule of upcoming events. Admission is Free. but donations are appreciated~ Guided and selfguided tours are available to individuals or groups. Make plans now to visit HaIllmerstonc~

* LookinKjor collections, rare and obscure memorabilia.

2210 Leaflet Church Road Lillington, NC 27546

(800) 756-5296 . (910) 814-2955

Heart 0' Texas Trader John Conley Williams

PO Box 23374 Waco, TX 76702-3374

(254) 772-1106

Monthly Catalogue Of Scout Patches

And Memorabilia

New Stuff Every Month

Fast Service

Always Home (3 Little Boys)

Full Time Pros

Order Correct

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RICHARD CLEMENT

ORDER OF THE ARROW

LODGE TOTE~~I 11 4976 ALMONDWOOD WAY SAN DIEGO, CA 92130 (858) 794-4976

WITH CHA~ ARROW

Heart 0' Texas Trader John Conley Williams

PO Box 23374 Waco, Tx 76702·3374

254-772-1106

We're in the Loop

WANTED SECTION

CONCLAVE

PATCHES BUY or TRADE **

Write or Email for Needs List

RICK HORNE 5605 Watercrest Drive

Greensboro, NC 27407 [email protected]

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E-MAIL [email protected] ROGER WARD P.O. BOX 1201, NOKO FL34274 -(800)ROGEROA, 1-(800)-764-3762,

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Illinois regional editor for 111(: I3lue Book.

25 I years of co! lecting experience. Free collection appraisals available. \Viiling to buy partial or entire collections. Top dol b!" offers 11)1" co!lections. Do nol

hesitate to conlnet me via email at.ili~·:£lt~!I5.f}.l.Or\( or write to: ISCA #27L

Dave Pede 17252 W Blurf Road Lemont II (lJ439-9503 (630) 972-()6()O



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WE WANT TO VISITFF WE WANT TO DUFFF

SELLING A PATCH COLLECTION

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The "BEST SALE" is when a IJrofessional advisorwilllJerSonally visit your city and view your collection. Brush Creek Trading Company has the Capital and the Staff to travel long distances to personally view your collection. If you IJrefel; we can arrange secure shipping options to our facilities if needed. WHICH WAY TO SELL? We offer the most innovative financial solutions. We can provide Payments Up-Front, Fully Accountable Consignment Programs, Instant Website Selling, Printed Catalog, Tradoree, E-Bay, or any combination of the above. We want to insure fairness in selling your collection. Since 1976, we have sold hundreds ofthousands of dollar's wOlih of rare Scout memorabilia ranging from entire Dealer Inventories, Museums De-Accessions, Family Estates, Boy Scout Councils and of course private collectors. Referrals will be happily provided. WANT TO KNOW MORE? Simply call us at Brush Creek Trading, Toll Free at 1(800) 322-3918 or E-mail usat:[email protected]. It may well be the most financially rewarding decision you have ever made.

1200 Greensboro Ave. Siler City, NC 27344

(800) 322-3918 Fax (800) 252-5339 www.oapatch.com

E-mail: [email protected]

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WANTED THE BULLETIN

OF THE ARROW

BUY OR TRADE FOR ORIGINAL ISSUES OF:

NATIONAL ORDER OF THE ARROW BULLETINS

NATIONAL OA CONFERENCE REPORTS

OTHER OA DOCUMENTS

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MICHAEL FULCO, JR. 7221 WESTMINSTER DRIVE

HARAHAN, LOUISIANA 70123

[email protected] (504) 737-2480

Looking For all OA frolTI . - * ~> North Carolina lodges ~ ~ .. ,>'

and Blue Heron 349 Virginia "'-, r~

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Specific Needs:

70 Tali R-2 70 Key 70 Tsoio 104 R-l, R-2, X-I, X-2, A-2 117 A-4, X-3, F-4 118 S-I; 134 163 Tsl 163 Tsal 188 208 X-I; 296 331 R-l 459 A-I, J-l 560 J-l and 349 from Virginia

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624 Quaker Lane, Suite 117-B Hight Point, NC 27262 [email protected]

Wk 336- 882- 1416 Fax 336- 882- 6188

the Pacific Northwest Traders Steve's collecting areas: • Order of the Arrow lodge mugs • Order of the Arrow conclave mug

scans • OA Lodges 17,311,400,415, 454,

554,557,562, & 567 • Especially looking for Hawaiian

OA chenilles & n/c's • first CSPs

Tim's collecting areas: • BSA patches with Dinosaurs on

them • Official BSA National Jamboree

issues

Steve Narolski Tim Narolski

The Joe Price "Kahuna Collectibles" We are presently marketing the late Joe Price "Kahuna Collectibles" estate, including:

• BSA handbooks • Baden-Powell memorabilia • BSA diaries • Boy's Life magazines • BSA merit badge pamphlets • BSA merit badges • Patrol medallions • patrol flags • registration cards • yearbooks • BSA insignia • BSA related literature and more.

Let us assist your personal or estate needs. We charge a low rate of 10%. Compare and save the money that is yours to keep. We also provide an identification and appraisal service for estate purposes.

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THEODORE ROOSEVELT COUNCIL JAMBOREE 2005

MEMORABILIA PATCH

This is a fund raising event to support the four troops that the Theodore Roosevelt Council, B.S.A. will be sending to the National Jamboree in 2005. All items have been approved by Marvel Comic Enterprises, Inc. and are sure to be a hit and one of the most sought after sets of the Jamboree, as it was at the 2001, Jamboree.

Seven different Marvel superhero characters will appear on each of the seven patches (JSP's) in the set (Spiderman, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Captain America, Wolverine and the Fantastic Four). These are the same patches that the contingent and staff from Theodore Roosevelt Council will wear on their uniforms. The seven patches can be purchased only as a set for $35.00 per set.

In addition, a 9" jacket patch with some of the above characters will also feature some different characters. A special two-piece Order of the Arrow flap with a unique feature is also available. A framed set of eight JSP'S is being produced in a limited edition. The 8th JSP IS ONLY AVAILABLE IN THE FRAMED SET, AND IS THE SILVER SURFER IN SILVER MYLAR.

Quantities are limited. Payment MUST accompany your order. Check, money order or credit card accepted. DO NOT SEND CASH. Please make all checks or money orders payable to: "THEODORE ROOSEVELT COUNCIL, B.S.A", 544 Broadway, Massapequa, New York 11758-5010. Unfilled orders or incorrect payment amounts will be returned. Deadline is March 15, 2005.

Please cut-off & send bottom to: Jambo 2005 Patch, Theodore Roosevelt Council 544 Broadway, Massapequa, NY 11758-5010 Aft: Irwin Green.

Name: ______________________________ _

Address: --------------------------------Town: ________________________________ _

State: ___________ Zip: ____________ _

Phone#: __________________________ __

E-Mail: ________________________________ _

Credit Card Type & #: ___________ _

Expiration Date: __ _

Signature: ____________________________ _

___ JSP Sets X $35.00 = ___ _

__ __ Jacket Patch X $15.00 = __ _

___ Two-piece X $15.00 = ~'.,----__ _ OA flap (unique feature)

___ Framed set X $125.00 = __ _

Patch subtotal = ____ _

Please add the following for postage/insurance: $ 0.00 - $50.00 = $4.00 $ 50.01- $100.00 = $6.00 $100.01 - $250.00 = $8.00 $250.01 - $500.00 = $10.00 $500.01 and up = $12.00

Total Shipping = $ ___ _

TOTAL ENCLOSED: $ __ _

*Framed set includes additional JSP of Silver Surfer in silver mylar. All Marvel Characters are TM® and/or © Marvel Enterprise Inc. All rights reserved.

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