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In Solidarity with International Women’s Day:

What difference did a woman make in your life today?

- One idea per Post-It -

Images by: @GoKateShoot

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REIMAGINING GLOBAL PUBLIC HEALTH

March 8, 2017

Part 2: Need Gathering and Interviewing

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Reprise: Framing and reframing

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Concrete

Abstract

Observe and Notice

Frame and ReFrame

Imagine and Design

Experiment to Learn

Analysis (Why?)

Synthesis (How?)

Innovation Cycle

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See the water

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See the Water

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A little exercise

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Observation

Write a one-paragraph description of this photograph

Try to describe what you see in such a way that your readers will be able to visualize without having the picture before them

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Observation

Read your descriptions to one another

As you listen, notice in what details your descriptions are similar or different

How can your differences be explained? How can we know what is correct and what is not?

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How do you see the water?

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1.  Get out of your water.

2.  Look more closely at the water and all that goes on in it.

3.  Talk to other creatures that live in the water.

4.  Perturb the water.

5.  Chase down the old fish and ask him what he meant.

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If I ask you to build me a bridge….

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Goals/Outcomes

Desired Outcomes

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Observation and interviewing

to see the water

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Getting to WHY Ethnographic research starts with basic questions Then moves beyond the whats To understand the whys From actions to feelings People make sense Designing for use and usability addresses “what”. Innovation comes from understanding “why”

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Ethnographic interviews are different…

An extended open-ended conversation exploring needs, emotions, and aspirations The interviewee does 90% of the talking The interview is more than data gathering. You must be ready to hear something new and be changed by it.

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time

Wrap-Up

Kickoff Intro

Build Rapport

Reflection Grand Tour

Introduction

Rising Action

Climax Denouement

Michael Barry, Needfinding, Stanford University

Anatomy of an Interview

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Wrap-Up

Kickoff Intro

Build Rapport

Reflection Grand Tour

Establish an interview partnership

Michael Barry, Needfinding, Stanford University

Anatomy of an Interview: Introduction

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The informant may be confused as to exactly what is happening

Be direct — “Why don’t we sit down here?”, put them at ease

Find a good place for the interview — if possible arrange comfortable seating, adequate lighting, and a low noise - traffic location

Describe your purpose: “We’re going to explore how decisions get made in the Emergency Room.”

Outline the interview: “We’re going to spend the day with you. We’ll be watching how the organization works, and later ask you and your staff some questions”

Let them know that their knowledge is important: "I've never been a waiter. It looks pretty hard to keep all your customers happy. Can you help me understand how you do it”.

Michael Barry, Needfinding, Stanford University

Anatomy of an Interview: Introduction

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Kickoff Intro

Build Rapport

Reflection Grand Tour

Shift the focus to them by having them introduce themselves and their lives

Michael Barry, Needfinding, Stanford University

Anatomy of an Interview: Kickoff

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At the end of your introduction, make a clear transition over to them:

“So maybe the best place to start is to have you introduce yourselves and tell us a bit about the band…”

Clarify with lots of follow-up questions. This section helps to get the respondent talking and feeling at ease.

Michael Barry, Needfinding, Stanford University

Anatomy of an Interview: Kickoff

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Kickoff Intro

Build Rapport

Reflection Grand Tour

Most of your time will be spent making a connection

Michael Barry, Needfinding, Stanford University

Anatomy of an Interview: Build Rapport

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Informants may be defensive initially, providing only short answers “Oh you know...normal stuff. Just like everyone else. No big deal”. Be patient. Continue asking descriptive questions to build their confidence and trust. Reassure the informant that they are doing okay — “I don’t know...is this the kind of thing you want to know?” Tell them “Absolutely, exactly what we need”.

Michael Barry, Needfinding, Stanford University

Anatomy of an Interview: Build Rapport

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Build Rapport

Reflection Grand Tour

Explore the details of their world both physical and mental Look for critical issues and disconnects

Michael Barry, Needfinding, Stanford University

Anatomy of an Interview: Grand Tour

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This may be a walk around a bedroom, factory, or mobile phone. There is incredible detail in the Grand Tour, including things you would never think to ask “Tell me about the picture in your battery door”. Ask your informant to act out interactions or open up hidden areas.

Michael Barry, Needfinding, Stanford University

Anatomy of an Interview: Grand Tour

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Interview Questions (1 of 3)

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•  Sequence  —  “Walk  me  through  a  typical  day…  then  what  do  you  do  next?”  

•  Specific  Examples    —  “Let's  take  yesterday  for  example,  where  did  you  get  your  lunch?”  

•  Peer  Comparison  —  “Do  your  colleagues  share  your  lunch  habits?”  

•  Other  Viewpoint  Comparison  —  “What  would  other  moms  think  about  that?”  

•  ProjecLon  —  “What  do  you  think  would  happen  if…”  

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Interview Questions (2 of 3)

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•  Naïve  Outsider  PerspecLve  —  “I’m  not  from  Boston,  tell  me  about  this  Dunkin’  Donuts  thing.”  

•  QuanLty  —  “How  many  of  your  relaLves  fall  into  that  category?”  

•  Changes  Over  Time    —  “How  are  things  different  than  they  were  a  year  ago?”  

•  Tasks  and  organizaLonal  structures  —  “Can  you  draw  me  a  diagram  of  your  daily  interacLons  within  school?”  

•  ReflecLng  Back    —  “So,  what  I  hear  you  saying  is…..  is  that  right?”  

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Interview Questions (3 of 3)

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•  SuggesLve  Opinion    —  “Some  people  have  very  negaLve  feelings  about  checking  email  during  class,  while  others  don't  at  all.  What  are  your  feelings  about  it?”    

•  NaLve  Language  —  “Why  do  you  call  your  office  ‘the  command  post’?”  

•  ClarificaLon  —  “…and  when  you  say  ‘lunch  is  lunch,’  what  do  you  mean  exactly?”  

•  ExhausLve  List  —  “What  are  all  the  places  you  like  to  eat  lunch  in  average  week?”  

•  Point  to  Their  ReacLon  —  “Why  do  you  roll  your  eyes  when  you  say  that?”  

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Kickoff Intro

Build Rapport

Reflection Grand Tour

Take a break and review what you have learned, then encourage personal insights and discussions of why

Michael Barry, Needfinding, Stanford University

Anatomy of an Interview: Reflection

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After you have spent a good deal of time with the informant, he or she may be more able to offer up personal insights, describe their plans, dreams, passions, etc. It’s okay here to offer theories about the informant for their evaluation or to ask the informant to generate their own theories

Michael Barry, Needfinding, Stanford University

Anatomy of an Interview: Reflection

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Kickoff Intro

Build Rapport

Reflection Grand Tour

Amazing things happen when the interview is over

Michael Barry, Needfinding, Stanford University

Anatomy of an Interview: Wrap-up

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At the end of the allotted time, thank them and tell them how helpful they have been. Ask them for any final thoughts, or if they have any questions for you. The notion that the interview is over often jars loose a lot of comments, thoughts, and insights. Keep the camera/tape recorder rolling.

Michael Barry, Needfinding, Stanford University

Anatomy of an Interview: Wrap-up

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Suppose you were to conduct an interview on

access to healthcare. What questions might you ask?

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Please form groups of THREE and identify yourselves as persons A, B and C

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Health Care Access Interview:

Ask – Learn about your partner’s health care access experiences. Get specific. Answer – Only what is comfortable Watch – Capture key insights and stories; observe the interview process

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A B C

Round 1

Round 2

Round 3

Ask

Ask

Ask

Answer

Answer

Answer

Watch

Watch

Watch

Health Care Access Interview

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Debrief Interview Techniques

§  What worked? •  What didn’t work?

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Capture the “story in”

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Concrete

Abstract

Analysis Synthesis

Tell a new story

Figure out the story

Customer-focused Design Develops New Customer Stories

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A glucose monitoring story: Oh, I always take it with me. Once on a date I put the stuff inside a silver cigarette case and stuck it in my back pocket. I went to a concert and at some point someone stole it. They must have liked the case! I even asked the performers to make an announcement, that I needed that stuff, but nobody returned anything. I ended up going to the emergency room at 3 am to get a new pack.

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Generating Insights:

§  Share the stories you heard when you were “asking”, one minute per story.

§  As you listen to the other 4-5 stories from your teammates seek patterns and connections among stories

§  What common themes did you hear?

§  What insights do you have about health care access?

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What can you do with “stories in”? Tell them….

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Test them…

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Translate them into “how might we?” questions:

– How can we…? (e.g., how can we make it easier to close the centrifuge?)

– How might we…? (e.g., how might we deliver this product through a direct sales channel?)

– In what ways might…? (e.g., in what ways might we provide more access points for our customers?)

– What might be all the …? (e.g., what might be all the ways we can increase perceived value to the customer?)

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Maternal Health Care Access

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“Pay attention to how [people] might like to interact with [you or solutions you are offering], and a remarkable change takes place. You can do more than simply satisfy their immediate needs. You might actually make [them] feel like heroes.” Maxim isn’t a sales person he’s a specialist!

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https://vimeo.com/91008610 0 – 3:30

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Births to Women Receiving Late or No Prenatal Care (2014) Source: National KIDS COUNT

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How does this data tell a different story than what you heard today?

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