IEEE P802.3REVam Draft 2.0 Comments...2005/08/19 · IEEE P802.3REVam Draft 2.0 Comments Cl 01 SC 1.4.325 P36 L28 MyBallot # 185 Comment Type ER DVJ1/26-36-28: In 1-ii, the capitalization

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MyBallot # 119Cl 00 SC 0 P 0 L 0

Comment Type GRComments on Section 3.

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Proposed ResponseREJECT.

The commenter withdrew this comment and supplied the comments contained in this pdf in responsive format prior to the ballot deadline.

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Comment Type GRComments on Section 4, as notes in pdf.

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Comment Type GRSection 2 comments, in pdf.

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Comment Type GRChanges to Section 1, in attached pdf.

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Comment Type GRComments to be coming, by 13Jan2005 deadline.

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Proposed ResponseACCEPT.

The comment arrived by the deadline.

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Comment Type GRSection 5 comments in pdf.

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MyBallot # 160Cl 00 SC i P 0 L 17

Comment Type ERDVJ1/1-i-17: The title is inconsistent with page #1, leading one to (I believe falsely) conclude that these mean different things.

SuggestedRemedy==> Part 3: Carrier xense multiple zccess with collision detection (CSMA/CD) access method and physical layer specifications OR Part 3: Carrier Sense Multiple Access with Collision Detection (CSMA/CD) access method and physical layer specifications And d

Proposed ResponseACCEPT IN PRINCIPLE.

The title both here and on page 1 will be corrected to match exactly that stated on the IEEE P802.3REVam PAR, "Information technology -- Telecommunications and information exchange between systems -- Local and metropolitan area networks -- specific requirements Part 3: Carrier Sense Multiple Access with Collision Detection (CSMA/CD) Access Method and Physical Layer Specifications".

The PAR is available on the web at the URL:[ http://standards.ieee.org/board/nes/projects/802-3-REVam.pdf ].

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MyBallot # 161Cl 00 SC iii P 0 L 45

Comment Type ERDVJ1/2-iii-45: There is no table of contents. I suspect this is because its too hard to do automatically, due to the excessively long clause names, and too error prone to do manually. However, that is not a good excuse.

SuggestedRemedyAdd table of contents, changing excessively long clause titles so they do not wrap when it is automatically generated.


The table of contents is part of the frontmatter and therefore is not within the scope of an initial sponsor ballot. Table of contents is added is during preparation for publication - the length of the Clause titles has never been raised as an issue by the IEEE-SA Editorial staff.

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MyBallot # 162Cl 01 SC 1.1 P 1 L 30

Comment Type ERDVJ1/3-1-30: The funny capitalization leads one to believe this is a special form of "international standard" when that is not the case.

SuggestedRemedyInternational Standard ==> international standard


See MyBallot comment #1900.

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MyBallot # 163Cl 01 SC 1.1.2 P 2 L 28

Comment Type ERDVJ1/4-2-28: In 1-ii, the capitalization was "media access control", which is proper and inconsistent.

SuggestedRemedyMedia Access Control ==> media access control


We consider that the use of capitalization for important and significant terms is useful, and intend to continue its use. Such terms must be distinguished from ordinary English usage; in the context of this standard, they are proper nouns. This standard has undergone editorial coordination review by the IEEE Editorial staff many time during its development, the first version was published in 1985, and this capitalization has never been raised as an issue by them.

The usage on page ii, line 17 will be corrected, that is media access control ==> Media Access Control.

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MyBallot # 164Cl 01 SC 1.1.2 P 3 L 7

Comment Type ERDVJ1/5-3-7: IEEE Style Manual avoids ALL CAPS and Some Caps in the same figure.

SuggestedRemedyDon't use the ALL CAPS notation, in this and other figures.



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MyBallot # 165Cl 01 SC 1.2.1 P 6 L 14

Comment Type ERDVJ1/6-6-14: Tw, Td, and Tb are not described.

SuggestedRemedyDescribe them and illustrate their usage. Also, I think there are more operators than * and + that need to be described. If so, define them in a consistent fashion.


Additional description of Tw, Td, and Tb for their usage in each Clause is provided in each Clause. The general definition here is appropriate for Clause 1 and need not be enhanced.

The additional operators are defined in subclause 21.5.4.

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MyBallot # 166Cl 01 SC 1.2.1 P 6 L 9

Comment Type ERDVJ1/7-6-9: Figures should not have intermixed ALL CAPS and Lower Case, as per IEEE Style Manual.

SuggestedRemedyTERMS TO ENTER STATE ==> Terms to enter state (etc.)



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MyBallot # 167Cl 01 SC 1.2.5 P 8 L 4

Comment Type ERDVJ1/8-8-4: The notation does not describe a common usage, which is the format of type: xx-yy-zz, which is often used to describe OUI and MAC addresses.

SuggestedRemedyDefine the xx-yy-zz hex notation, as per definitions available in RPR.


This format has not caused problems in the industry and the committee believes that the risk of introducing errors in attempting the recommended change is not justified by the perceived benefit.

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MyBallot # 168Cl 01 SC 1.2.5 P 8 L 4

Comment Type ERDVJ1/9-8-4: The notation is too redundant, in that only the subscript notation is needed, except in code, where the language defines the format and meaning.

SuggestedRemedyEliminate the 0x prefix, and use the more standard subscript(16) in its place.


The 0x prefix has not caused problems in the industry and the committee believes that the risk of introducing errors in attempting the recommended change is not justified by the perceived benefit.

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MyBallot # 175Cl 01 SC 1.4.148 P 24 L 45

Comment Type ERDVJ1/16-24-45: This is an industry standard term, not a proper noun. The capitalization makes it seem different, which it is not.

SuggestedRemedyExtinction Ratio ==> extinction ratio



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MyBallot # 176Cl 01 SC 1.4.153 P 25 L 6


SuggestedRemedyExtinction Ratio ==> extinction ratio


See Myballot comment #1900.

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MyBallot # 177Cl 01 SC 1.4.206 P 28 L 40

Comment Type ERDVJ1/18-28-40: The capitalization is inconsistent, leading one to believe there are two types of MACs.

SuggestedRemedyMedia Access Control ==> media access control Here and throughout (except where this is already lower case).



The committee recommends that the IEEE-SA editor correct this globally, that is 'media access control' ==>' Media Access Control'.

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MyBallot # 178Cl 01 SC 1.4.224 P 29 L 38


SuggestedRemedyNon-Return-to-Zero, Invert on Ones (NRZI): ==> non-return-to-zero, invert on ones (NRZI):



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MyBallot # 179Cl 01 SC 1.4.230 P 30 L 4

Comment Type ERDVJ1/20-30-4: This is not the standard way of defining acronyms.

SuggestedRemedyDefine acronyms in the acronym subclause


NLP - Normal Link Pulse is indeed defined in the acronyms subclause (see subclause 1.5).

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MyBallot # 180Cl 01 SC 1.4.253 P 31 L 26


SuggestedRemedyPassive-Star Coupler ==> passive-star coupler



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SuggestedRemedyReflectance ==> reflectance



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MyBallot # 169Cl 01 SC 1.4.4 P 15 L 3

Comment Type ERDVJ1/10-15-3: Inconsistent notation.

SuggestedRemedyUse Figure-1b or Figure.1b, but not both notations.


Change 'Figure 17.3' to read 'Clause 17'.

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MyBallot # 170Cl 01 SC 1.4.72 P 19 L 24


SuggestedRemedyBinary Phase Shift Keying ==> binary phase shift keying



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MyBallot # 186Cl 01 SC 1.5 P 40 L 39


SuggestedRemedyMultiplexer ==> multiplexer


See comment #1900.

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MyBallot # 189Cl 01 SC 1.5 P 41 L 18


SuggestedRemedyPhase Locked Loop ==> phase locked loop



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MyBallot # 188Cl 01 SC 1.5 P 41 L 27


SuggestedRemedyPseudo Random Bit Sequence ==> pseudo random bit sequence



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MyBallot # 187Cl 01 SC 1.5 P 41 L 49


SuggestedRemedySignal To Noise Ratio ==> signal to noise ratio



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SuggestedRemedyPrinted Circuit Board ==> printed circuit board



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MyBallot # 192Cl 01 SC 1.5 P 42 L 12

Comment Type ERDVJ1/33-42-12: Wrong definition.

SuggestedRemedyType/Length/Value ==> Type/Length value


This is not related to the Type/Length filed interpretation but an widely used encoding for protocols data within a frame that consists of a Type field, a Length field and a Value field.

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MyBallot # 191Cl 01 SC 1.5 P 42 L 16


SuggestedRemedyUnit Interval ==> unit interval



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SuggestedRemedyMedia Access Control ==> Media access control



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MyBallot # 196Cl 02 SC 2.3.4.4 P 49 L 1

Comment Type ERDVJ1/37-49-1: Great! This is the proper use of this inconsistent capitalization. However, should include the acronym on first usage, even if in the title.

SuggestedRemedyMedia access control ==> media access control (MAC)



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MyBallot # 195Cl 03 SC 3.1.1 P 49 L 21

Comment Type TRDVJ1/36-49-21: This figure is _extremely_ confusing. The industry places the MSB on the left and the LSB on the right. Doing otherwise is _highly_ confusing.

SuggestedRemedyShow the MSB on the left, change notation to: TRANSMITTED LSB-to-MSB


The ability of hundreds of implementers to independently build interoperable MACs with hundreds of millions of installed product demonstrates that the representation used is not a problem.

Changing this figure at this point in the maturity of Ethernet would be highly confusing to the entire community.

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MyBallot # 197Cl 03 SC 3.2.3 P 50 L 34

Comment Type TRDVJ1/38-50-34: As Mick Seaman has noted, the transmission order for multibit interconnects is _very_ hard to define.

SuggestedRemedyShow these bits in their MSB-to-LSB order and illustrate how they are transmitted on a bit-serial media.


The ability of hundreds of implementers to independently build interoperable MACs with hundreds of millions of installed product demonstrates that the representation used is not a problem.

It should also be noted that many of the IEEE Std 802.3 PHYs are not serial and therefore adding a figure that illustrated a bit mapping to a serial transmission would be highly confusing to the entire community.

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MyBallot # 199Cl 03 SC 3.5.9 P 57 L 1

Comment Type ERDVJ1/40-57-1: Inconsisten with clause 3 title.

SuggestedRemedyMedia Access Control ==> Media access control (MAC)



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MyBallot # 200Cl 04 SC 4.1.3 P 60 L 31

Comment Type ERDVJ1/41-60-31: Inconsistent with Clause 3 title.



The capitalization of the Clause 3 title will be corrected to match Clause 4, that is "Media access control frame structure" ==> "Media Access Control frame structure".


The committee recommends that the IEEE-SA editor correct this globally, that is 'media access control' ==>' Media Access Control'.

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MyBallot # 100Cl 04 SC 4.2.2.3 P 63 L 21

Comment Type TRPart 1: The first figure referenced in this clause is Figure 4-2

SuggestedRemedyAll figure references should be corrected to be in order


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BROWN, BENJAMIN J

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MyBallot # 201Cl 04 SC 4.2.3.4 P 71 L 35

Comment Type ERDVJ1/42-71-35: What is this proper noun? Its not defined in the glossary.

SuggestedRemedyDuration of Carrier Event ==> duration of carrier event


This also needs to be corrected on line 7 of this page.

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MyBallot # 203Cl 04 SC 4.3.3 P 90 L 22

Comment Type ERDVJ1/44-90-22: These unfilled table cells are confusing and look like possible don't cares.

SuggestedRemedy1) Eliminate the Function column, since it can be included in the title. 2) Straddle other cells as appropriate.


The lines will be eliminated such that this becomes a two line table. The information under the headings are in fact lists.

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MyBallot # 202Cl 04 SC 4.3.3 P 90 L 22

Comment Type ERDVJ1/43-90-22: These unfilled table cells are confusing and look like possible don't cares.

SuggestedRemedy1) Eliminate the Function column, since it can be included in the title. 2) Straddle other cells as appropriate.



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MyBallot # 210Cl 07 SC 7.2.1.1.5 P 122 L 15

Comment Type ERDVJ1/51-122-15: Breaking a names across and arrow is unacceptable: it looks like two names.

SuggestedRemedyDon't break: SET_MONITOR_MODE across the arrow.


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MyBallot # 209Cl 07 SC 7.2.1.1.5 P 122 L 29

Comment Type ERDVJ1/50-122-29: Special words should not be hyphenated across lines.

SuggestedRemedyMake the special (italics) work nonbreaking: normal.



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MyBallot # 211Cl 07 SC 7.2.2.2.3 P 127 L 27

Comment Type ERDVJ1/52-127-27: Be consistent on message names: use an underscore always.

SuggestedRemedy1) ACTIVATE PHYSICAL ==> ACTIVATE_PHYSICAL 2) DEACTIVATE PHYSICAL ==> DEACTIVATE_PHYSICAL and similar changes throughout.


The standard is in wide use with many interoperable implementations, and the current style has not been a detriment to interoperable implementation. Message names have been used in many different design systems.

Also, the committee has an obligation to both past and current users of the standard. In this case, the message names are likely to have been used in product documentation, and a change would be a disservice to users of the current standard.

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MyBallot # 212Cl 07 SC 7.2.4.2 P 129 L 27

Comment Type TRDVJ1/53-129-27: State machine names should be computer compatible and easily parsed, as well as consistent.

SuggestedRemedyBIT BUCKET ==> BIT_BUCKET (similar changes throughout)



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MyBallot # 213Cl 07 SC 7.2.4.2 P 129 L 40

Comment Type TRDVJ1/54-129-40: Based on the early state machine definition, '+' is a logical symbol, which is not (i believe) what is intended.

SuggestedRemedyUse consistent state machine notation throughout.


The definition in subclause 1.2 and 21.5 for '+' will be changed to read '+ logical OR, arithmetic addition'.

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MyBallot # 214Cl 07 SC 7.2.4.6 P 131 L 11


SuggestedRemedyNO ERROR ==> NO_ERROR (similar changes throughout)



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MyBallot # 215Cl 07 SC 7.3.1.1 P 132 L 10


SuggestedRemedyRECEIVE COLLISION ==> RECEIVE_COLLISION (similar changes throughout)



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MyBallot # 217Cl 08 SC 8.3.1.3 P 158 L 11

Comment Type ERDVJ1/58-158-11: Be consistent, compatible with code, and clear.

SuggestedRemedyPOWER ON ==> POWER_ON



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MyBallot # 216Cl 08 SC 8.3.1.3 P 158 L 4


SuggestedRemedyChoose one of: RESET IDLE POWER_ON And use consistently as the start state of all machines. IDLE is used too many other ways, so RESET may be preferred.



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MyBallot # 218Cl 08 SC 8.3.1.3 P 159 L 13


SuggestedRemedyTransmitter Idle ==> TRANSMITTER_IDLE



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MyBallot # 220Cl 08 SC 8.3.1.3 P 161 L 2

Comment Type ERDVJ1/61-161-2: Be consistent.

SuggestedRemedyPower On ==> PowerOn



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MyBallot # 219Cl 08 SC 8.3.1.3 P 161 L 4


SuggestedRemedyNO OUTPUT ==> NO_OUTPUT



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MyBallot # 222Cl 08 SC 8.3.1.3 P 162 L 22

Comment Type ERDVJ1/63-162-22: Wrong font in figures.

SuggestedRemedyUse 8-point Arial.



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MyBallot # 221Cl 08 SC 8.3.1.3 P 162 L 33

Comment Type ERDVJ1/62-162-33: Bad alignment

SuggestedRemedyPut a line break before the first note, so that the numbered items are consistently aligned.



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MyBallot # 224Cl 08 SC 8.4.1.1 P 164 L 39

Comment Type ERDVJ1/65-164-39: Bad hyphen

SuggestedRemedyUse nonbreaking hyphen.



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MyBallot # 223Cl 08 SC 8.4.1.1 P 164 L 43

Comment Type ERDVJ1/64-164-43: Confusing syntax

SuggestedRemedy8.4.2.1.1 b) ==> 8.4.2.1.1 (b) and similar changes throughout.



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MyBallot # 225Cl 08 SC 8.4.1.5 P 165 L 27

Comment Type ERDVJ1/66-165-27: The Style Manual allows ALL CAPS in callouts, and Mixed Caps, but not both simultaneously.

SuggestedRemedyRemove ALL CAPS callouts in this figure, and throughout other mixed-convention figures. Preferably, eliminate ALL CAPS callouts alltogether.



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MyBallot # 226Cl 08 SC 8.4.2.1.3 P 166 L 39

Comment Type ERDVJ1/67-166-39: Confusing cross-reference

SuggestedRemedy8.4.2.1d) ==> 8.4.2.1(d) or 8.4.2.1-d Here and througout.



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MyBallot # 227Cl 08 SC 8.5.3.1 P 169 L 1

Comment Type ERDVJ1/68-169-1: Inconsistent italics. There is no need for italics in these headings, and this confuses the meaning of italics used to connotate special meanings other places.

SuggestedRemedyEliminate italics in list-item names.



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MyBallot # 230Cl 08 SC 8.6.2.1 P 171 L 10

Comment Type ERDVJ1/71-171-10: Inconsistent normative statements.

SuggestedRemedyChange 'recommendations' to 'should', with appropriate surrounding wording.



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MyBallot # 229Cl 08 SC 8.6.2.3 P 171 L 52

Comment Type ERDVJ1/70-171-52: Inconsistent italics. There is no need for italics in these headings, and this confuses the meaning of italics used to connotate special meanings other places.

SuggestedRemedyEliminate italics in list-item names.



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MyBallot # 231Cl 08 SC 8.7.3.1 P 174 L 20

Comment Type ERDVJ1/72-174-20: Bad line break.

SuggestedRemedyUse nonbreaking space within '1 GHz'



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MyBallot # 233Cl 08 SC 8.7.5 P 175 L 1

Comment Type ERDVJ1/74-175-1: The title of this clause is too long and would overflow the automatic formatting of the table of contents, if one were to be provided (which is, perhaps, the reason one was not provided).

SuggestedRemedy... Clause 8, ... ==> ... Clause 68


The commenter's assumption is wrong. Long titles can be produced in a TOC (see IEEE Std 802.3-2002). The TOC is produced as part of the publication process, it is part of the front matter and therefore not within the scope of this ballot. A TOC will be produced by the publication editor prior to publication.

In the case of a PICS title, the PICS is intended for use as a separate document -- filled out by an implementer. The clause name is useful to the recipients of the completed PICS.

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MyBallot # 232Cl 08 SC 8.7.5 P 175 L 1

Comment Type ERDVJ1/73-175-1: Inconsistent capitalization. This could lead the reader to believe there are two types of things, perhaps a nonbinding "Protocol implementation conformance statement" and a normative "Protocol Implementation Conformance Statement"

SuggestedRemedyThroughout, change to: "Protocol implementation conformance statement" in headings, and "Protocol implementation conformance statement" within a sentence.



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MyBallot # 234Cl 08 SC 8.8.3.2 P 176 L 26

Comment Type ERDVJ1/75-176-26: Inconsistent capitalization, which looks like a typo. Also, inconsistent sentence structure.

SuggestedRemedyPIXIT (Protocol Implementation eXtra Information for Testing) ==> protocol implementation extra information for testing (PIXIT)



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MyBallot # 237Cl 08 SC 8.8.6.1 P 178 L 13

Comment Type ERDVJ1/78-178-13: A subclause number with "/2"is very confusing.

SuggestedRemedyEither: 1) Explain with a footnote. 2) Delete. Here and throughout.


The number after the '/' references the PICS item which is a major capability option.

As noted at the beginning of the clause, the content is not recommended for new implementations. Consequently, changes to the clause will only make them less familiar to the users of the clause that created and use those legacy implementations. In addition, the committee consensus is that risks of introducing errors when making the proposed change to a stable part of the standard outweigh any benefits.

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MyBallot # 235Cl 08 SC 8.8.6.1 P 178 L 5

Comment Type ERDVJ1/76-178-5: Small items and numbers should be centered in the cell.

SuggestedRemedyNoRemedySupplied



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MyBallot # 246Cl 08 SC 8.8.6.10 P 184 L 9

Comment Type ERDVJ1/87-184-9: These blank cells look like errors.

SuggestedRemedyEither: 1) Fill them with useful content (preferred). 2) Fill them with an em dash, if content is too difficult to generate.


This entry in the table is empty because there is no value or comment necessary. The committee believes this is obvious to the reader and that the addition of extra characters decreases readability.

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Comment Type TRDVJ1/107-215-8: I'm surprized this doesn't have a RESET state, when others do. What's up?

SuggestedRemedyExplain the difference between IDLE and RESET states, or use RESET notation throughout.


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Comment Type ERDVJ1/108-219-27: Misleading capitalization errors.

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The format for PICS tables has changed during the decades in which IEEE Std 802.3 has been used. As pointed out in various comments, PICS formats vary within this document, including column headings, column order and PICS item numbering. Consideration must be given to both the legacy users of the document and future users of the document. Completed PICS may also be used in contracts.

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Comment Type ERDVJ1/277-365-8: These blank cells, in the Imp column, look like errors.


Proposed ResponseREJECT


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SuggestedRemedyTwisted pairs


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Comment Type ERDVJ1/156-328-1: Inconsistent notation

SuggestedRemedyPower On ==> PowerOn (as is done elsewhere)


The recommended changes do not significantly improve the readability of the document and would only change where inconsistencies appear. There are more usages of Power On in the standard than uses of PowerOn. Many different forms of power on are used interchangably within the standard (e.g., Power On, PowerOn, power-on, etc.). This has not been a significant problem to implementers as evidenced by the large number ofinteroperable implementations.

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The recommended changes do not significantly improve the readability of the document and would only change where inconsistencies appear. There are more usages of Power On in the standard than uses of PowerOn. Many different forms of power on are used interchangably within the standard (e.g., Power On, PowerOn, power-on, etc.). This has not been a significant problem to implementers as evidenced by the large number ofinteroperable implementations.

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SuggestedRemedyWall Outlet ==> Wall outlet Patch Panel ==> Patch panel Fiber Optic Mixing Segment ==> FIber optic mixing segment



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SuggestedRemedyStar ==> star


With one exception, all occurrences of "10BASE-FP Star" have a capitalized "S" in star. The exception is where "10BASE-FP star" is used in a heading (subclause 16.6.7.4). Base on this, and since the IEEE P802.3REVam Task Force believes that this comment is editorial, it will be forwarded to the publication editor.

The commenter should note that IEEE editorial staff has indicated that all such comments will only be considered after RevCom / Standards Board approval during the preparation for publication.

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Comment Type TRDVJ1/327-395-41: The definition of a 12-bit Manufacturer IE is very confusing, since the footnote and general assumption is that the IEEE/RAC assigns 24-bit OUIs.

SuggestedRemedy1) Make this very clear that this is not an OUI. 2) Make it clear how to get one. 3) Provide a detailed example of the layout, from the IEEE/RAC supplied value to the specified value.



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Comment Type TRDVJ1/326-395-41: Is this a authority, or the IEEE/RA?

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SuggestedRemedyBit Loss ==> Bit loss Invalid Bits ==> Invalid bits Steady-State Prop.Delay==>Steady-state prop.delay



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Comment Type ERDVJ1/337-408-11: Confusing table

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SuggestedRemedyThroughout, change to: "Protocol implementation conformance statement" in headings, and "Protocol implementation conformance statement" within a sentence. This is consistent with Section 1, page 444, line 33.



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As noted at the beginning of the clause, this clause is deprecated by Clause 30. Consequently, changes to the clause will only make them less familiar to the users of the clause that created and use those legacy implementations.

In addition, the committee consensus is that risks of introducing errors when making the proposed change to a stable part of the standard outweigh any benefits.

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SuggestedRemedyProvide an example of how the IEEE/RAC assigned hex values map to this register. Examples are available in the maintenance requests submitted by this reviewer to this standard.


We reference IEEE Std 802 which defines how the IEEE/RAC assigned hex values map to bits. With that information this figure is sufficient.

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Comment Type ERDVJ2/52-35-13: The table number is missing.

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The current format is believed to best convey the desired information. The description of the bit(s) may be a simple 0 or 1, or as the case with Table 22-10, a multibit field, or as the case with Table 22-7, a disjoint multibit field. 0 and 1 columns don't work well for these multibit fields.

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The current format is believed to best convey the desired information.

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SuggestedRemedy1) Fix your templates, so this doesn't happen. 2) Use better templates, available on the MSC Sponsor web site: http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/msc/WordProcessors.html



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The IEEE P802.3REVam task force believes conversion of older PICs tables to current format would create too high a probability of introducing errors in very stable portions of the standard and make the material less familiar to legacy users. The support column however will be made internally consistent.

For the Value/Comment column the cell entry is empty because there is no value or comment necessary. The committee believes this is obvious to the reader and that the addition of extra characters decreases readability.

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SuggestedRemedyCOLLECT NIBBLE 6N+5 ==> COLLECT_NIBBLE_6N_PLUS_5 and similar changes throughout.


The standard is in wide use with many interoperable implementations, and the current style has not been a detriment to interoperable implementation. Signal and state names have been used in many different design systems and there is no reason to favor the syntax requirements of a single programming language (i.e., C). The variable/signal naming is consistent with the state machine formats described within the standard (see Clause 1.2.1). Also, the committee has an obligation to both past and current users of the standard. In this case, the signal and state names are likely to have been used in product documentation, and a change would be a disservice to users of the current standard.

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Comment Type TRPart 2: The removal of the heading on this figure "LAN CSMA/CD LAYERS" during working group ballot was incorrect. All the layers shown on the right hand side of this figure are indeed CSMA/CD layers. They don't have to be layer 2 to be a CSMA/CD layer. CSMA/CD defines plenty within in layer 1. If it is the plural that is bothersome (because there is only 1 layer shown) then remove it.

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State machine variables are locally defined and in Clause 27 the following definition is provided:

begin The Interprocess flag controlling state diagram initialization values. Values: true false

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Comment Type ERDVJ2/285-244-5: There is no table footnote describing the meaning of the R/W entry, as provided elsewhere.

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The IEEE P802.3REVam task force believes conversion of older PICS tables to current format would create too high a probability of introducing errors in very stable portions of the standard and make the material less familiar to legacy users. The support column cells within the Clause however will be made consistent.

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Comment Type TRDVJ2/321-278-7: The comment on item #12 is useless, since the current OUI definitions are based on HEX, not counted bits.

SuggestedRemedyEither: 1) Delete this but provide a cross-reference to a detailed def. 3) Explan this, using a hex-digit example, in text following the table.


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SuggestedRemedyMultiport Bridge==>Multiport bridgeColision Domain ==> Collision domain



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Comment Type TRThere is no Clause 30 object to count the TC-CRC errors in the PME.It seems that it has been overlooked, as we do have a coding violations counter in the PME capability.

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30A.16.1 PSE, formal definitionoPSE MANAGED OBJECT CLASSDERIVED FROM CCITT Rec. X.721 (1992) | ISO/IEC 10165-2 :1992:top;CHARACTERIZED BYpPSEBasic PACKAGEATTRIBUTES aPSEID GET,aPSEAdminState GET,aPSEPowerPairsControlAbility GET,aPSEPowerPairs GET-REPLACE,aPSEPowerDetectionStatus GET;ACTIONS acPSEAdminControl;;;CONDITIONAL PACKAGESpPSERecommended PACKAGEATTRIBUTES aPSEPowerClassification GET,aPSEInvalidSignatureCounter GET,aPSEPowerDeniedCounter GET,IEEECSMA/CD Std 802.3af-2003Copyright 2003 IEEE. All rights reserved. 19aPSEOverLoadCounter GET,aPSEShortCounter GET,aPSEMPSAbsentCounter GET;REGISTERED AS {iso(1) member-body(2) us(840) ieee802dot3(10006)csmacdmgt(30) package(4)pseRecommendedPkg(27)};PRESENT IF The recommended package is implemented;REGISTERED AS {iso(1) member-body(2) us(840) ieee802dot3(10006) csmacdmgt(30)managedObjectClass(3) pseObjectClass(15)};nbPSE-repeaterPortName NAME BINDINGSUBORDINATE OBJECT CLASS oPSE;NAMED BY SUPERIOR OBJECT CLASS oRepeaterPorts AND SUBCLASSES;WITH ATTRIBUTE aPSEID;REGISTERED AS {iso(1) member-body(2) us(840) ieee802dot3(10006) csmacdmgt(30)nameBinding(6) pse-repeaterPortName(26)};nbPSE-dteName NAME BINDINGSUBORDINATE OBJECT CLASS oPSE;NAMED BY SUPERIOR OBJECT CLASS oPHYEntity AND SUBCLASSES;

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WITH ATTRIBUTE aPSEID;REGISTERED AS {iso(1) member-body(2) us(840) ieee802dot3(10006) csmacdmgt(30)nameBinding(6) pse-dteName(27)};nbPSE-pseGroupName NAME BINDINGSUBORDINATE OBJECT CLASS oPSE;NAMED BY SUPERIOR OBJECT CLASS oPSEGroup AND SUBCLASSES;WITH ATTRIBUTE aPSEID;REGISTERED AS {iso(1) member-body(2) us(840) ieee802dot3(10006) csmacdmgt(30)nameBinding(6) pse-pseGroupName(28)};30A.16.2 PSE attributesaPSEID ATTRIBUTEWITH ATTRIBUTE SYNTAX IEEE802Dot3-MgmtAttributeModule.OneOfName;MATCHES FOR EQUALITY;BEHAVIOUR bPSEID;REGISTERED AS {iso(1) member-body(2) us(840) ieee802dot3(10006) csmacdmgt(30)attribute(7) pseID(209)};bPSEID BEHAVIOURDEFINED AS See BEHAVIOUR DEFINED AS in 30.9.1.1.1;aPSEAdminState ATTRIBUTEWITH ATTRIBUTE SYNTAX IEEE802Dot3-MgmtAttributeModule.PortAdminState;MATCHES FOR EQUALITY;BEHAVIOUR bPSEAdminState;REGISTERED AS {iso(1) member-body(2) us(840) ieee802dot3(10006) csmacdmgt(30)attribute(7) pseAdminState(210)};

Note that the above text is directly from IEEE Std 802.3af-2003 and the arcs will need to be updated to use the new root.


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This entry in the table is empty because there is no value or comment necessary. The committee consensus was that this is obvious to the reader and that the addition of extra characters decreases readability.

In addition, as noted at the beginning of the clause, the MAU/PHY is not recommended for new installations. Consequently, changes to the clause will only make them less familiar to the users of the clause that created and use those legacy implementations

Further, it was also the committee consensus that the risks of introducing errors when making the proposed change to a stable part of the standard outweigh any benefits.

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Reference is made to subclause 22.2.4.3.1 where both description and illustration of the mapping is provided, IEEE Std 802-2001 provides the mapping from the IEEE/RAC hex digits to bits. The committee believes it is better to have one figure referenced multiple times rather than a figure repeater multiple time.

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Comment Type TRThe 'NOTE' permits the use of a weak resistive pull up on the MDIO electrical interface. No definition (or even guidance as to the meaning) of "weak" is offered in Clause 45, but Clause 22 does offer some, in the NOTE to Table 22-13 (page 43, section 2, lines 35 to 40). Here a "resistive pull-up" of 1.5 kohm +/- 5% is allowed on MDIO, exactly matched by the allowed IIL on line 23. A "weak resistive pull-up" is allowed on COL, and the current specification implies (on a similar basis) a resistance of over 27 kohm. In passing, I would note that the XENPAK R3.0 spec, which references the Clause 45 spec for the "Transceiver Monitoring" interface (10.5), calls for 10-22k resistive pull-ups on "Low Speed Signals" in section 10.5.2, Figure 13 and Table 9, though not mentioning any value in the specific data for MDIO and MDC in Table 11, where some other pins are so mentioned. The risetime implied by the >27 kohm Clause 22 "weak" pull-up and the Clause 45 maximum 470 pF bus capacitance is at least 12.7 usecs, almost 80 times the minimum MDC high time specified in 802.3 subclause 22.2.2.11 (and 30 times the full MDC period). (The worst case XENPAK-based numbers give about 7 usecs, 44 times the MDC high time.) Starting from the maximum VOL (unlikely limit at such a low current!), MDC will take ~1.5 usec to reach the VIL limit, and over 10usec more to reach the VIH limit. During a READ operation, the STA must clock in the data on the rising edge of MDC (45.4.2 line 45), while the MMD should change to the next bit after MDC reaches VIH of the same edge (Fig 45-4). With such a slow rise time, this would require an extremely precise (essentially impractical) VIH threshold for the MMD, unless the STA clocks in the data BEFORE the MDC reaches VIL (possible since the STA controls the MDC signal). So even very slow MDC clock rates have serious practical problems with this slow rise time. The fall time (controlled by IOL per line 29, with the worst case capacitance) is under about 120 nsecs, and only the STA takes any action on this edge, so it causes much less of a problem. If we assume that the pull-up on MDC (and MDIO) uses the "resistive pull-up" value of the NOTE to Table 22-13 (1.5 kohm), the timing issues above are reduced by factors of 18. The 1.2V VDD and 4mA IOL values of the 45.4.1 subclause allow a resistive pull-up of about 330 ohms, which would improve the timing issues above by a factor of over 80. However, there is still a problem with the MDC-to-MDIO-sourced-from-MMD minimum delay specification. As the specification currently stands, the MDIO sourced by MMD must not change until MDC reaches within ~0 nV of VIH, but must change within 300 nsec of MDC reaching ~0 nV above VIH. In practice, a fast-rising MDC will mask this problem, provided that the actual delay from MDC crossing the actual MMD threshold to the MDIO changing is greater than the delay before MDC crosses the VIH minimum value, but the basic problem remains, since the latter number depends on the rate of rise of MDC.

SuggestedRemedy1. In Line 11 in the Note to 45.4.1, change "open drain buffers and a weak resistive pull up" to "open drain buffers and a resistive pull-up" (NB this also fixes the [editorial] inconsistency between "pull-up" in Clause 22 and "pull up" in Clause 45).

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2. In 45.4.2, line 45, insert "beginning of the " before "rising edge of MDC." (or change "with respect to" to "before the" in line 44, or other equivalent wording). Change Figure 45-4 on page 126 so that the "0 nsec MIN" delay is from MDC crossing VIL, while retaining the "300 nsec MAX" from MDC crossing VIH. (See attached drawing as a guide).


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Comment Type TRBoth 45A.3 and 45A.4 describe a "protocol aware voltage translator" as being required to interface between Clause 22 and Clause 45 voltage and protocol devices. Both sya that "the device must have knowledge of any Clause 22 PHY addresses present ...".However, it is possible to use a voltage translator that is protocol-independant, and will work perfectly well between Clause 22 and Clause 45 levels, using nothing more than appropriately-biased NMOS FETs between the groups of lines involved, and the pull-up resistors shown in Figures 45A-3 and 45A-4. I have attached two pages from an I2C specification document (from Philips Semiconductor), showing a suitable arrangement, though in that case interfacing between (open drain) 3.3V and 5V levels. By appropriate changes in the connections of the pull-up resistors, and the gate voltage bias on the FETS, the circuit can be readily chaznged to operate between 1.2V and 3.3V or 5V. Matched sets of such FETs are available from several suppliers, often including an additional FET that can be used to set the gate bias level to be corrected for the VGS threshold voltage level of the FETs. A succsssion of such protocol-independant circuits has been used successfully to interface MMD-protocol devices operating at 1.2V, 1.5V, 2.4V, and 3.3V, all the devices being able to talk to each other as needed. The only limitation involves the speed limits set by the v arious resistive pull-ups, which must (in some cases) be strong enough to pull the higher-voltage signals up high enough to function, while (in aggregate) not overloading the pulldown capability of the driver(s).

SuggestedRemedyRemove the requirement (especially via the use of "must") of protocol-awareness in the descriptions of the level shifting circuits.


This is an informative Annex and implementers may produce conformant behavior with simplified logic.

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SuggestedRemedyProtocol Implementation Conformance Statement (PICS) proforma for Physical Coding Sublayer (PCS) and Physical Medium Attachment (PMA) sublayer, type 10GBASE-X5 ==> Protocol Implementation Conformance Statement (PICS) proforma for Clause 48



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SuggestedRemedyEither: 1) Fill them with useful content (preferred). 2) Fill themm with an em dash, if content is too difficult to generate.



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Comment Type TRPart 1: The matching subclause in 4 was removed during working group ballot.

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Comment Type TRDVJ1/519-576-26: If the normative text is defined in Pascal, the Pascal code must be defined in a normative (not informative) reference.

SuggestedRemedy1) Pick on of the reference to be the normative one, the other informative. 2) Change code to use only the normative Pascal code.


The two references are required for Pascal and the extensions to Pascal used in specifying the MAC. The pointer to the references is consistent with Clause 4 and the ability of hundreds of implementers to independently build interoperable Clause 4 MACs with hundreds of millions of installed product demonstrates the references used are not a problem.

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Comment Type TRDVJ1/520-577-24: There is no technical reference for the definitions of "Concurrent Pascal"

SuggestedRemedyEither: 1) Provide a normative reference. 2) Change the code to use only the ANSI standard Pascal.


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Comment Type ERDVJ1/522-581-49: Confusing title

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Comment Type TRThe referenced singlemode connector performance specification, IEC 61753-021-2, provides several classes of performance that differ by return loss. Of these classes, performance Class S matches the specifications of clause 52, by specifying a 26 dB return loss requirement.The reference should be made more specific by including adesignation of this performance class.

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Comment Type TRThe resolution to comment #83 on the previous ballot called for modification of the reference to IEC 61753-022-2 to add a specific performance class that is aligned with the specifications for multimode connectors within standard 802.3. This modification was not made where the reference is called out in clause 52. Make the modification as previously agreed. The agreed resolution is reproduced here for reference:

Accept in principle.Modify the clause 52 and 53 references as follows:c) IEC 61753-022-2 -- Fibre optic ... Category C -- Controlled environment, performance Class M.

This is based on the following email from e-mail from Paul Kolesar: I've obtained the standard and checked its contents. I believe it meets the expectations of IEEE P802.3ae where referenced in clauses 52.14.4 and 53.14.3, with one possible exception that deserves clarification in the referencing clauses. The exception has to do with the fact that 61753-022-2 specified two performance levels delineated by class designations M and N. Class M meets the 0.75 dB attenuation and 20 dB return loss requirements of 802.3 for multimode connectors, while class N does not. Class N attenuation is 1.25 dB max and has no return loss requirements. Therefore, I believe comment #83 should spawn additional action to insert a designation of Class M into the places where it is called out in clauses 52 and 53 (and any other places).

SuggestedRemedySuggest modifying the clause 52 and 53 references as follows:

c) IEC 61753-022-2 -- Fibre optic ... Category C -- Controlled environment, performance Class M.


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LAW, DAVID JMyBallot # 114Cl 52 SC 52.14.4 P 350 L 43

Comment Type TRThe resolution to comment #83 on the D1.0 ballot called formodification of the reference to IEC 61753-022-2 to add aspecific performance class that is aligned with thespecifications for multimode connectors within standard 802.3.This modification was not made where the reference is calledout in clause 52. Make the modification as previously agreed.The agreed resolution is reproduced here for reference:Accept in principle.Modify the clause 52 references as follows:c) IEC 61753-022-2 -- Fibre optic ... Category C -- Controlledenvironment, performance Class M.

SuggestedRemedyModify the clause 52 references as follows:c) IEC 61753-022-2 -- Fibre optic ... Category C -- Controlledenvironment, performance Class M.


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Comment Type TRThe referenced singlemode connector performance specification, IEC 61753-021-2, provides several classes of performance that differ by return loss. Of these classes, performance Class S matches the specifications of clause 52, by specifying a 26 dB return loss requirement.

The reference should be made more specific by including a designation of this performance class.

SuggestedRemedyModify the reference as follows:

b) IEC 61753-021-2 -- Fibre optic ... Category C -- Controlled environment, performance Class S.


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Comment Type TRThe referenced singlemode connector performance specification, IEC 61753-021-2, provides several classes of performance that differ by return loss. Of these classes, performance Class S matches the specifications of clause 52, by specifying a 26 dB return loss requirement.

The reference should be made more specific by including a designation of this performance class.

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MyBallot # 111Cl 53 SC 53.14.3 P 389 L 20

Comment Type TRThe referenced singlemode connector performance specification, IEC 61753-021-2, provides several classes of performance that differ by return loss. Of these classes, performance Class S matches the specifications of clause 53, by specifying a 26 dB return loss requirement.The reference should be made more specific by including a designation of this performance class.

SuggestedRemedyModify the reference as follows:b) IEC 61753-021-2 -- Fibre optic ... Category C - - Controlled environment, performance Class S


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MyBallot # 7Cl 53 SC 53.14.3 P 389 L 21

Comment Type TRThe resolution to comment #83 during the IEEE P802.3REVam D1.0 Working Group ballot called for modification of the reference to IEC 61753-022-2 to add a specific performance class that is aligned with the specifications for multimode connectors within standard 802.3. This modification was not made where the reference is called out in clause 52. Make the modification as previously agreed. The agreed resolution is reproduced here for reference:

Accept in principle. Modify the clause 52 and 53 references as follows: c) IEC 61753-022-2 -- Fibre optic ... Category C -- Controlled environment, performance Class M.

This is based on the following email from e-mail from Paul Kolesar: I've obtained the standard and checked its contents. I believe it meets the expectations of IEEE P802.3ae where referenced in clauses 52.14.4 and 53.14.3, with one possible exception that deserves clarification in the referencing clauses. The exception has to do with the fact that 61753-022-2 specified two performance levels delineated by class designations M and N. Class M meets the 0.75 dB attenuation and 20 dB return loss requirements of 802.3 for multimode connectors, while class N does not. Class N attenuation is 1.25 dB max and has no return loss requirements. Therefore, I believe comment #83 should spawn additional action to insert a designation of Class M into the places where it is called out in clauses 52 and 53 (and any other places).

SuggestedRemedySuggest modifying the clause 52 and 53 references as follows:

c) IEC 61753-022-2 -- Fibre optic ... Category C -- Controlled environment, performance Class M.


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MyBallot # 112Cl 53 SC 53.14.3 P 389 L 22

Comment Type TRThe resolution to comment #83 during the IEEEP802.3REVam D1.0 Working Group ballot called formodification of the reference to IEC 61753-022-2 to add aspecific performance class that is aligned with thespecifications for multimode connectors within standard 802.3.This modification was not made where the reference is calledout in clause 53. Make the modification as previously agreed.The agreed resolution is reproduced here for reference:Accept in principle.Modify the clause 52 and 53 references as follows:c) IEC 61753-022-2 -- Fibre optic ... Category C -- Controlledenvironment, performance Class M.

SuggestedRemedyModify the clause 52 and 53 references as follows:c) IEC 61753-022-2 -- Fibre optic ... Category C -- Controlledenvironment, performance Class M.


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Comment Type TRThe remedy to the problem posed by 54.5.4 in 802.3ak does not work. At an ad hoc meeting of the concerned people at the November 04 maintenance meeting, I agreed to submit the attached change to the SIGNAL_DETECT function definition.

This comment should be a TR comment.

The attached file shows more detail related to this discussion.

SuggestedRemedyReplace paragraphs 2 & 3 of 54.5.4 with the following:-

SIGNAL_DETECT is a global indicator of the presence of electrical signals on all four lanes. The PMD receiver is not required to verify whether a compliant 10GBASE-CX4 signal is being received; however, it shall assert SIGNAL_DETECT = OK within 100 s after the absolute differential peak-to-peak input voltage on each of the four lanes at the MDI has exceeded 175 mV for at least 1 UI (unit interval).

After any such assertion of SIGNAL_DETECT = OK, SIGNAL_DETECT = FAIL shall not be asserted for at least 250 usecs. The PMD shall have asserted SIGNAL_DETECT = FAIL when the absolute differential peak-to-peak input voltage on any of the four lanes at the MDI has dropped below 50 mV and has remained below 50 mV for longer than 500 s.


The suggested remedy will be implemented.

It should be noted however that there's a "100 s" in the first paragraph of the suggested remedy that should be a "100us" and a "500 s" in the second paragraph that should be a "500us" This seems to be a printout phenomena but it should be checked to make sure the final publication has these numbers as "100us" and "500us". In addition the text '250 usecs' will be changed to read '250us'.

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Comment Type TRThe conditions for asserting SIGNAL_DETECT = OK depend on the existence of an input signal in excess of a value for 1UI. The intent, as expressed in the 802.3ak Working Group, appeared to me to be as follows:-

If the (as defined) input level exceeds some threshold value, for a time that would occur at least during the time span of an IPG, then SIGNAL_DETECT = OK is to be asserted.

The minimum IPG will always have at least 2 runs of 3 or more 1s or 0s, including at least one run of 4 or more 1s or 0s. Assuming that the input signal (at least when SIGNAL_DETECT is "at risk") will have suffered high frequency attenuation, the first bit of such runs may be expected to fall below the threshold, but the later bits will be the "key" area for threshold detection. Thus there is a 'reasonable' expectation that an IPG will have 7 to 9 "full amplitude" bits in a 20 UI interval. I think it would be preferable to have the SIGNAL_DETECT = OK depend on at least 7 of 20 UI as the time criteria for assertion.

SuggestedRemedyReplace "at least 1 UI (unit interval) " by "at least 7 UI (unit interval) in any consecutive 20 UI block".


This change will make it harder for SIGNAL_DETECT=OK to be asserted. The whole intent is to get SIGNAL_DETECT=OK as soon as possible. Stretching out the criteria from 1UI to 7UI does not solve any problem. In fact this comment does not state there is a problem with what is currently there. Since there is no problem stated there does not need to be a remedy and therefore this comment s/b rejected.

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Comment Type TRDVJ5/3-33-34: Its unclear what "left" and "right" mean.

SuggestedRemedyAny mapping should be defined in terms of MSB and LSB. For clarity, the MSB and LSB should _always_ be on the left and right respectively.


The terms "left" and "right" are self explanatory. The use of bit 0 on the left and bit 7 on the right is consistent with the mac frame format shown in Figure 3.1.

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Comment Type TRDVJ5/2-33-37: Any mappings of the OUI must be defined in terms of hex digits, not bit numbers. Otherwise, errors can occur in interpretation, particularly since this standard has multiple bit counting schemes.

SuggestedRemedyDefine this accurately in terms of hex digit example. The Clause 9 reference doesn't help, since this is nearly unintellegible text.


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Comment Type TRDVJ5/4-39-31: If the remainder of the content is not specified, there is nothing to guarantee two things from the same company are misinterpreted, or each division will have to buy their own OUI.

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This comment has been discussed multiple times throughout the development of IEEE Std 802.3ah-2004. How organizations manage their OUI space is left to the organization. It is just as easy for an organization to misuse a CDI as it is to misuse a OUI.

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Comment Type ERDVJ5/27-70-8: The trailing 'r' on Number is confusing.

SuggestedRemedyEliminate this break, in oneway oranother.



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Comment Type TRThe text is confusing as to whether deference (MAC-PHY rate matching) is based on the state of the CRS signal on the MII, or on the value of the carrierSense variable at the abstract interface between the physical layer and the MAC. This confusion was introduced by an incomplete resolution of comment #556/D3.1 (EFM Sponsor Ballot).

The abstract interface between the physical layer and the MAC is defined in subclause 4.3.3. It consists of the ReceiveBit function, the TransmitBit and Wait procedures, and the variables collisionDetect, carrierSense, receiveDataValid, and transmitting. Section 1, page 91, line 36 states that "The Physical Layer sets carrierSense to true immediately upon detection of activity on the physical medium."

The deference mechanism is further explained in Annex 4A. Section 1, page 582, line 45 states: "When either transmitting or carrierSense is true, the MAC delays any pending transmission."

The specifications in Clause 61, on the other hand, rely on the MII-signal CRS. They specify how the PHY must set the MII signals to achieve MAC-PHY rate matching. The only statement on what the MAC will do, is in section 5, page 154, line 22: "Prior to transmission, the MAC checks the carrierSense variable (mapped from the MII signal CRS), and will not transmit another frame as long as CRS is asserted."

SuggestedRemedyAdd a sentence after the first sentence of 61.1.4.1.1: "For implementations that do not include an MII interface, all references to MII signals in this clause apply to the equivalent elements of the interface between the physical layer and the MAC as defined in 4.3.3."

Replace the quoted sentence in section 5, page 154, line 22, with: "Prior to transmission, the MAC checks the carrierSense variable (mapped from the MII signal CRS), and will not transmit another frame as long as carrierSense is asserted."


The first part of the remedy is unnecessary as Clause 22 already states that logic implementation of the MII is mandatory regardless if the physical implementation is present.

The second part of the remedy will be implemented as it makes the current informative text more accurate.

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Comment Type TRFigure 61-9 suggests that the first byte following the preamble in a MAC frame that is to be fragmented, would end up being the first byte following the Fragmentation Header in the first fragment resulting from the PAF fragmentation. According to Figure 3-1, the first byte following the preamble is the SFD.On the other hand, 61.1.4.1.2 clearly states that "[t]he transmitter MAC-PHY Rate Matching function strips the Preamble and SFD fields from the MAC frame, and forwards the resulting data frame to the PME Aggregation Function or to the TC sublayer."

SuggestedRemedyThe text in 61.1.4.1.2 shows the EFM Task Force's intent to strip preamble AND SFD from the MAC frame before handing it over to the PAF. Figure 61-9 should be modified accordingly.In the first line of Figure 61-9 ("From MAC"), insert an "SFD" field between the "preamble" field and the "Data frame" field. Align the tail of the down arrow with the boundary between the "SFD" field and the "Data frame" field.


1. Preamble box needs to be split to include Preamble and SFD as suggested.2. The middle arrow needs to point to the end of Fragment N.3. Add a note that states 'This is one example of how a frame may be fragmented across multiple PMEs.'

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Comment Type TRThere is a conflict between the text and the state diagram. As the state diagram takes precedence, the text should be modified.

SuggestedRemedyReplace the last sentence of this paragraph with the following text:After the completed End of Frame or Idle codeword, only All Idle or All Idle Out-of-Sync codewords shall be transmitted until TC_link_state becomes TRUE again. After TC_link_state becomes true again, transmission of data can restart when a new fragment is available for transmission over the gamma-interface.


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Comment Type ERDVJ5/139-299-1: Confusing capitalization.

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Comment Type TRPart 5: The change implemented for IsIdle is not complete. This covers the case of /I/ but does not cover the case of /C/ - configuration ordered sets. These consist of /K/D/D/D/, a /K28.5/ followed by 3 data code-groups. If the intent is to turn off the laser during the transmission of configuration ordered_sets, this definition of IsIdle doesn't do it.

SuggestedRemedyReplace the definition with the following: "This function is used to determine whether tx_code-group is a code-group in /I/, the IDLE ordered_set, or /C/, the Configuration ordered_set."


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Comment Type ERDVJ5/143-314-14: Undefined proper noun.

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Comment Type ERPart 5: Figure 65-14 is out of order

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The IEEE P802.3REVam Task Force believes that this comment is one on editorial style, and does not affect the technical integrity of the standard. Editing does not take place during the balloting period. As pointed out in the IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual subclause 5.4.3.2: "It should be borne in mind that documents are professionally edited prior to publication." This editorial comment will be supplied to the Standards Project Editor.

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The consensus of the committee is that these tables are clear to the reader. They have been in existence for many years and their format has not been an issue. The risk of introducing an error is far to high for any perceived benefit on such a stable portion of the standard.

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