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    I , the undersigned, hereby certify th::.tt the aforeGoing ,

    is a true 2nd correct transcription of the; oritZinal evidence

    recorded by means of a mechQnical recorder in the; case of:-

    THE STATE VLH.GU;3: K~L~KO & 5 OTH1~S • • .. • • • • .. • • • • • • .. . . .. .... c. .... ... . .

    T;' \NSCRIBER:

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    AANKLAER VERVOLG ·

    (20)

    ling of nie?

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    HOF AAN AANKLAER :

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    Dankie, het u nog vrae vir die dokter?

    GEEN VERDERE VRAE DEUR AANKLAER.

    GEEN VRAE DEUR MNR . ALEXANDER NIE.

    Nee.

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    l1opaa18 bai. hartl1ke dank at u ao bere1dw111ig a CIa 80 ,OU cU. 04

    t. doeD. lit n.l 41t 'bai. ho. op prp. i, !PPP'NI COWl

    I will .~ pest tid. 7 .... .an to pzOOMd witll l:Ua 4fri,d.oe ad I b'ut

    tbat 7CN will bay •• pb~Oo0p7 _4e of Ida"» 0, ao tbat th1a 08Il .oo~~ tbe pet1.t to ......... be i. -ill« bbD. flUa .... that y. (10) will D~ CO _ with Ma .,.14_08 t04a7, not UIltl1 he «eta • ol .. r - 1IIlt11

    b. ,... olearu .. tlllet Iae ia .f. to OClDtilme. I DR that aa.. people baYe tuberGUl G1118 _eI tbeJ' on aewe .b_t b..... ,,~ are Bot in claDger

    of 1nteotila« .h.-. b •• tt. of faat. _ ha,. •• 11 beta nbjeot" to W.n1C11l. !b1a iDol ... ..,.018117 tbe jater})nter ad •• I.laaD4er aDeI

    lII!7aelt nel tbe 0 .... Orcs_IT bar.. S ... k ..... tor .,..If, the r .. t of ~

    "., I wilt not .... t C-n. I .. goJ.ac to M,. • .,..It X-rQ'e4. I waDt to

    ubl1'" t.t I bey. not OaDuoted ftlber=loeia. Hav. 7- "~ rita ...

    ~e tbat .re go1Dl to '- aDan?

    couv'

    Su, I hilT no wi ........... 11.bl. f~ CClUZ't t0da7 •

    ... • 1; .u? 10 air.

    e.. tile tt_ t ... et~e _ ,ellt,... _tl1 t_GRow? I I .. air.

    g,otJg ;0 " ... DEP' Iir. Interpr.tl_, pI .... t.t 1 tbe .ooued the D wbo

    ~Y' .,.14..,. i8 10ocml1Dc to the dootar who NY h1a, .oate17 111 . lot

    eat)" 18 h. ill but _ ua 1;uberoulGllia at an Weot1y. _ture. I ahall

    r.o~" to ~ iDYen1cat1D8 otf1~ wbo 1. Li..n-..mt VerJaa11 that ch

    .nd e"arT penal ewer .. be baa 1'47 a.,. and who baT. b .. expoeed to thi •

    (20)

    .. not , ( 30)

    eI to .,..1t,

  • 241

    l:ClUM1tel. Q het bier ___ ... it al cU. 1114. )I[ wi '7 11 n Ii: au'-""

    cia" u mderaGet w". »ie •• 1ta. 'el' 'Y1% cU. a.a _, .. t bi.nie j«m« lUll kce"at: ,ebad h.t.

    Di. eaak yan 111t ... _1 u a •• toe. are 18 di. 91

    .al prelt.., a o .. UJ ... laD« _. t •• it .oda" ...

  • 'v ,

    242.

    9th FBBRUA BY I 19l2.

    Mr. ProsecLltor, for the record, the date is t he

    9th ot February, the time is 10.25.

    !:ROS~CUTOR: 9.20 Sir.

    COURT: 9.20. Would you kindly place on record the

    short discussion that YOLl and both Counsel and I have had in

    regard to the witness who yesterday Was sent tor medical

    a tten tion, and also the arrangement which is on the books tor

    nex t Fri day, th9 t . w ill be wha t da ta'?

    PROS~CUTOR: - 16th. COURT: Wo uld yo Ll kinr11y do tha t?

    PROSECUTOR: -- ~s the Cou.rt pleases. Sir, regarding the witness the position is that this witness has been

    referred to the Prison Hospital sir.

    COURTs

    P'ROS~CUTOR:

    That is in Port "Elizabeth.

    That is in Port Elizabeth. I spoke to the,

    one ot the officials at the hospital staff yesterday and he

    assLlred me that they will attend to him immediately. Certain

    tests willbe done by them and they will intorm me at a later

    stage wha t the pos1 tion is regarding this witness.

    COURT, - Did they say whether people who were in contact with him should be screened or not, and it so, when?

    PBOS~CUTOR: - . COURT: --PROSH!CUTOR:

    COURT:

    Sir, it depends on the degree of infection.

    Will they le t us know? .

    They will let us know what the position is.

    An~ will you please in due course advise us all

    on this matter?

    PR031CUTOR, - : A s the Co urt plea sese COURT: Now, in regard to next Friday. t ,he 16th?

    (10)

    (20) .

    PRO SBCUTOR : - Sir, I have a request to pu.t to the Court sir. (30) By next Friday Sir, I will hava reached the stage in this

    matter/ •••••••••

  • 243 .

    matter sir, whe~e r need some time to consult with certain

    witnesses and ~o some preparing on this case. Therefore, sir,

    r thjnk J would need at least a day and my request is to have

    this day next week, Friday the 16th.

    COURT: Ivlw. Al exander. how do yo u f eel about it?

    !!!. _~L~XANDc;E: Sir, the Defence wo uld welcome the Co urt no t

    sitting next Friday. We would support the application.

    COURTs Th~t application then is granted, so we'll

    finish today's work as , tar as we can and next Friday there

    • will be no Court. We will be Sitting until', Deo volente, until(lO)

    Thursday the 15th.

    --000--

    JDRED DrDlWE K~Dl duly sworn states. (Witness No. 12) - ...... -~X~MIN~TION BY PROS~CUTO~s -.....- ....... q -==

    Mrs. Ka ve, yo U a re the mo the r of Nokonono Ka ve?

    - ... Yes, yo ur \VA rship.

    Sir, the person's name, Nokonono Kave, appears

    on Fage 15, No. 24, Page 28, No.8, Page 31, No. 24. How

    old is Nokonono? She Was bom on the 12th ot November, 1954.

    IOURT. Mr. Interprater, unless the witness speaks (20)

    English constantly, I want you to interpret, irrespective ot

    what languag~ she uses. If she speaks ~nglish, then will you

    rapes tit in the microphone. I don' t want to in tert ere with

    har, if she prefers to say some things in ~nglish and some in . Xhosa she is welcome to it, but you must kindly see to it that

    wha tever ' she say.a is repea ted on the microphone so thFl tit

    comes thro ugh . clearly.

    PROS~CUTOR: Is it correot that Nokonono followed the B. Proc. ,-degree at the Fore Hare University at Alice d~ring 1973? Or

    from 1973 rathqr. What is B. Frac. ( 30)

    Did she stu~y for a degree at this University?

    __ Yea/ •••••• 1

  • 244. I.n. KAVE

    -- Yes, th9t is co~rect.

    During the mi:idle ot 1976, dici she come to yo ur

    ho use in Port Elizab'3th? -- Yes, she came.

    Did she then stay with you? -- Yes.

    4nCl, (in te rruption)

    COURT: -- Sorry, Mr. Alexander, do you want the Prosecutor to lead her on this? Will you indicate when he should stop?

    Wl"'R. ~T'?'X~Ji2.!!!.:1 can't imagine anything contentious about thia

    si 1', and I'm quite a ure he can 1 ead he ~, this will sa ve a

    lot of time • (10)

    ~~CUTORI l\ s the Co Ul"t plea sea, yo ur \Vo l"~hip. I\nd did

    she stay with you till the 15th of January, 1978? -- Yes.

    4nd what happened on that date, did you see her

    again after th~t d~te?

    COURT: Yea t lead her now if yo u know.

    PROSr,;CUTOR, ;

    1d it correct that Nokonono then left your houae

    on the 15th ot January, 1978'? -- Yea.

    Diil she tell you tMt she was leavin8'? -- No,

    she just diaappea red the t day, yo ur \10 rship.

    And hal' clothes? -- Her clothes are at home. (20)

    COURT: Were left at home'? -- Yes. -P'ROS~CUTOt'h H8'Ve you ever seen her since that date? -- No,

    yo ur Wo l'ship.

    Have you ever heard anything from he~ since

    th~t nate? No.

    Prior to this 1a te did she always keep in con tact

    with you? When she wa sat sc.100l she used to ' phone me.

    ~nd when she wasn't at school or at univ8t'sity

    ·1id she come and liva with you.'? -- Yes.

    N,O FURTHli'R gUB ·3T10~.

    CBOS3-~XAMIN~TION BY ~R . I\L1XANDBR: _ .... -.u__ _ -----.---------

    ()O)

    Howl • ••••••••

  • ;RANSCRIBE RI S CER TIFICATE --------------------I, the LlnilE.rsignEd , here by cert ify th a t the af:)reg'Jing

    is a tru.e anc' correct transcri 2tiJ.!'1 :)f Lhc origina l E. vidence •

    recorded by means :)f a mechanical recorder in the caS E. )f:-

    THE' S'l'ATE' 'VEJ

  • l \. \ / r

    245.

    How :10 yo u. fix th 4a te, the 15th of JanLl.cl 3

    of tLis YI3Qr, ~s the lf~st day on which you ~aw your daughtl3J',

    last year? -- On tha t day h '31" name 'IVa s called 0 ut hy the

    police, your Worship, and since that day I've kept th.'3t date

    in my memo ry.

    J don t t folloW that, you say haY' nama Was

    cal19d 0 ut by the police? -- Yes.

    What 10es th3t mean? -- The Flying SqW3d Was . calling out h'31" name, saying, "Nokonono, wherever we see you

    vv e will k ill yo u •• ,

    Wa s tha t on a 10 udspeaker anno uncemen "t? --Yes

    it was.

    (10)

    Coming from a police van Circulating, or travelling

    in the a rea? Yea.

    I see. Was her' name mentioned togetha1" with other

    names of children? No, only her name WaS mentioned.

    !iQ FU~T J n!! 9 u'

  • 246 G. N4UBA

    ::lid he ;31waYd live a t YO llr hOll::J9 with yo u? -- Yea.

    3ince February, 1978, di .'. he di~flpp8ar fro1U your

    ho use? Yes.

    Mr. Alexl'lnd Bl', do the s alUs principles apply a s

    with the previoll~ witness or not, as far as leading q u.sstiona

    a 1'13 conc l~rna-1?

    MR. ~~~X4ND1B: Oh yes, sir. I will object. I discu.ssed this

    with my learned. friend sir, ~nd (inter;- up tion)

    Can he lea1?

    MR. ~L~ll~: Oh yes J or co u.r~e sir.

    FRO;3r.;CUTOR: An1 did he say anything when he disappeared? --

    No.

    Dia he tell you. th~t he Was leaving? -- No.

    ~nd a re so rna of his c10 thing and belongings

    still a t yo ur ho usa? -- Yes.

    Did you ever hear anything from him again? --

    He did writ.e, your Worship.

    Was there any indication where the letter was

    t'I'om? HKve yo u atil1 go t t h is lett'3r? No.

    (10)

    Was there any indication on the lettar whel'e it(20)

    Was from?

    COrJ"RT: -- Jus t a min uta, j u:; 1. a m.i:JUte. is tha t admiss i b1e? T think so sir, T think the witness can say sir,

    that if there, WaS any indication on the letter auch as a stamp

    or something, that could possibly identity whe'I'a (interruption)

    COURT,

    PROSECUTOR:

    Yes, but that is not what you are asking,

    As the Court pleases. Vlaa thal'e any stamp

    attached to this letter indicating possibly from whe'I'e it was

    posted?

    COtffiT: No-no. no-no. Ml'. Pro sec uto r, yo u mIlS t cont ine (30)

    your question, to m.v mind, to the following, "Was there a

    a ta mp/ •• ........

  • . \ l '

    247 G. H~l'JBf\

    stamp on this latts!'; Was thsr's a :late on this le ttBI', that is

    on the, a date stamp on this envelops, and did the stamp

    i tselt show the na ma 0 f a co un try?" No t whe 1"6 it came from,

    because a man can bu,y a stamp in Rhodesia and post the letter

    in Bngland. Do yo u follow me?

    !ROS-r.:CUTOR: As the Co urt pleases. Was thql'e any stamp, apart

    from a postal stamp, on this le -tte1'? -- No.

    COtmT: - - Was there a postal stamp.on the lett~1', a stamp that yo u wet an~ put on 1'1 lettar. Yes the1'e wa s.

    4nd this stamp, Was it cancelled in a post office(lO

    wi th a date and lines and stuff thro ugh it? -- Yes, the stamp

    Was franked but I did no t look a t the da te yo ur Wor::3hip.

    Tha t stamp, wha t Was the mo tit on the stamp? Did

    it show a bird 0 I' an elephan t or a ho use 0 r a team of ho rses?

    Your Worship, I took no notice, I do not remember.

    Yo u took no notice of the stamp, the postage

    stamp? -- How it looked like. yo ur \'.0 rsh1p.

    What did you do with the letter and this envelope?

    -- J threw it away as I do with oths-r letters if there is

    anything I do about it.

    If itt s wha t? -- It the re is no thing I ha ve to

    do a be ut itt yo ur Wo rship.

    PROS~CUTOlh - Ml'. N~mba. di~ your son ever partake or act in shows at all? -- No.

    !IO FURT ; ~R QtJ13:~l.Q!!§.

    CROSS-BXAMnHTION BY 1.m. AL"=:XAND~'R: , ---Mr. Namba, at the time that your son left the

    ho use, wha t wa s he do ing? I

    COURT: Was he employed or was he unemployed? -- He Was

    attending school.

    MR. ~t~XAND~-q: 1.'Vhat standard? -- Std. 8.

    COURT/ ••••••••••

    (20)

    (30)

  • 248. G. NflmB~ v v

    What school? -- Masibambane. M-a-s-i-b-a-m-b-a-n-e

    What'e is thst? -- "t Kwazqkele, your Wordhip.

    H."q. ~T,1XAND~-q:Di1 you avar go to the school to watch him

    taking pa rt in spo rt'? Did yo u 13ve I' go to the school to Wa tch

    him, say for example, taking .part in sports or things like

    th~t? -- No.

    You nevor went to any meetings at the school,

    for Parents an~ Teachers? -- No.

    30 :/.0 u can't really say wha t acti vi ties yo ur

    son got up to at school? -- No • (10)

    For all you know he may have been v~ry interested

    in thea tre and stage shows? It is possible, is it no t?

    NO, J don't know, I know no thing.

    COURT: It yo ur son hao taken part in a play at the

    school, wo uld th~ t have been a subject which wo uld have been

    disc ussed in yo ur he use'? That is why I said he took no

    part because We never had such discussions, your Worship.

    Yo u see I have a son, and when he Was yo ung

    and he attended schOOl, whenever he was selected to take part

    in a play he'd come home and say, "They gave me the longest

    lines to learn by heart", so my experience has been that

    children come home and they talk about these things. Did your

    son 00 anything like that? -- No, he nevar did.

    What is yo ur oocupa tion? -- I work for the Bay

    Passenger Transport, your Wordhip.

    As'? -- ~s an Inspector.

    J see, is that men who get on and ott the buses '?

    (to see it) everybody has paid,? -- Yes.

    (20)

    What do yo u do with a man on a bus who has no

    ticket and he tells you thst his ticket has been lost, he had ( JO)

    bought one but it's lost, do you put him ott the bus or do you

    takA/ ••••••• ; •

  • 249 G. NI\ MBA

    take him whe re he sho uld be? I take him to the cond ucto r

    SO th'3 t he pays, yo ur flo r~hip.

    NO FURTH~B 9tlB'3TJON3 BY I,m. AT/~X~N'D~'q.

    RB-~X4MIN4TION BY PROSBCUTOR: NO SUBSTTON~.

    --000--

    COURTs It is my unfortunate duty to again put on

    record that J ha~ forgotten to switch on the machine while

    this wi tnass Was giving evi ·"1ence and that the contents of the

    defence an~ the state, ~he witness' evidence will now be

    staI'te~ at the point where he Was sworn in. Ur. Prosecutor (10)

    this is Cha r1ie ~(ru) l eni?

    PR03ECUTOR: - .. That is correct, sir.

    COURT: For the record further, I am on bel t, or rather

    T'm not, but the machine is on Belt 65/38. Tell him tha t he

    is still under oath.

    C:TARLIS MJU'L~ still under oath.

    ~X4 Ti1 JN4TJON BY P'ROS~CUTOR.:

    (\Vi tness No. 1 #

    Yo u are 65 years of age . and yo u a re the fa ther

    otTo beka Mj ul e n i? -- Yes yo ur We rship •

    Reference page 16, No. 71, Page 34, No. 71.

    Tobaka was born on the 27th of March 1961? Yes.

    She lived with ~'you at the house? -- Yes.

    During 1977 she was attending school in Port

    Elizabeth? -- Yas.

    She was in std. 8? -- Yes.

    ( 20)

    Duripg October, 1977, Tobaka l qft your house

    without telling you that she was leaving? -- That is correct yes.

    Di;i you ever see her again after that? -- No. ,

    Did sha contac t yo u in any way ag~in? -- No.

    Was she still going school when she left the (30)

    ho use? -- Yes.

    IS/ •••••••••••

  • 251)

    1;3 there still some of he-r clothing and property

    a t yo ur 110 use? -- Yes.

    Do yo u know if yo ur ja ughtsr took part in any

    shows? -- No.

    NO FURTH;~ QUESTIONS.

    CROSS-r.;X"MINATION BY MR. ATJ BX4ND1R: - -Mr. Mjuleni. do yo u share my experience ot

    teenage daughters that they don't a1way~ tell you what goes

    on ~t school? Yes.

    In fact during the ad jo Ul"nmf3nt, I want to a sk yo u(10

    something quite specific about theatre, I 'm advised that in

    1976 or 1977 your daughter actually took part in a play at

    the Kwazake1e High School, called "A Miserable IJife lt •

    COURT, -- 'VhF! t is the name of the play? j\rR. '-\r/~XAND~'R: "A Miserable TJife". -- Your \Vorship, I know

    no thing a be ut this.

    NO FtmTI;1'q gLR3TION3.

    RE-BX4MJNATION BY PRO~CUTORI -COURT:

    Co u1 j I jus t ha ve 'Exhi bi t "L" plea se sir.

    W'ha t is Exhi bi tilL"? =- •

    P'ROS~CUTOR: ...................... ,- Th:'l t' 9 the phD tograph, sir. Thro ugh the Co urt (20) I

    sir, I forgot to lead this in chief. Defence has no objection,

    sir. I now present to you, or show you Exhibit tIL", is your

    daughter Tobekl3's photograph on th.qt exhibit? -- Yea, there

    she ia.

    COU~T: Number? . pnOS~CUTOR: - ..... Number 71, sir, photograph 71. -- That ia eXRct1y

    her, your Worship.

    COURT: ,

    Is thnt the photograph No. 71? I canno t see --wi tho ut my ela 3sas, yo ur 'IV 0 rS :lip . ( 30)

    Turn it round. The witness has now pointed with

    his/ ••••••••

  • 251 .

    thj:.-; t i:rl wi th n b1 8 ck col) a 1'';' -- Yes yo ur ','/0 rship .

    NO FURTin? QUG3TICH3 .

    --000--

    NOI(ABANDIA NTO Znn july sworn states .

    BXA i:lnn T ION BY p;r031C UTOR :

    (Witness No . 15)

    3ir I just want to get the reference . 8 kRn maar

    so ' n bietjia afsit , e k sal Ll h'1:rinner om Ran tG si -t o Cynthio ,

    yo u. :=\1"8 the mother of (intf3rruI,' tion) (10)

    COURT:

    PRO J~C 'lTOB :

    No , she)s not Cynthia , she is Mavandla.(Belt 65170)

    J bee yo ur parcion si r . Yo u are the mo thaI' of

    Thembise !1oehay i'? -- Yes yo ur Wo :r':.-;hip.

    Paee 15 , No . 36 . Paee 28, Po . 5, Page 30 , No. 36.

    He was born on the 22nd of Fe bruary , 1951': -- Yes your Worship.

    COURT : - 21/2? 1961. PROSBCUTOR a He matriculated at the Newell High School during -1976? -- Yes yo ur Wo :r ~3hip .

    During 1977 he went to the Lo vedal e College? --

    Yes yo ur Wo rship. ( 20)

    During t k lt year he returned to yo u at yo ar ho use?

    - - Yes .

    And he lived with you.

    COTTRT : - Do yo u mean he left his studies? PROT1;CUTOB : Tha t is so . - -COURT : -- He relinquished his st udies . They were sent home by the institution , your Worship .

    Were they sent home by Lovedale College? - - Yes

    yo ur Wo rship.

    PROIJBCUT OR: - - And d urine his sllolarship at school he lived ( aO) with yo u a ll t he t ime? -- Ye s.

    And/ •••• ~ •••

  • 252

    An(i whell he returned during 1977 he stayed with

    yo u (in terrl.l.ption)

    COUR!: One mOrlent plea~e. Go on, TIl1" . Prosecutor .

    PROS15CUTOR: Since 1977 when he returned to yo ur ho use he

    stayed wi th yo u till January 1978 when he disappeared trom

    yo ur ho usa? -- Yes yo l:tr Wo 1"ship.

    Did he tell yo u tha t he Was lea ving yo ur ho use?

    -- No yo Ltr Wo rship.

    It ·is TJuqbe Recordings sir, a telep~e call.

    COURT: Gentlemen, can you eXCLU:3e us for a seconl~.

    2,OURT R13UM'8S:r.h'. Interpreter, please tell the lady that aha

    (10)

    is still un

  • 253 1'1. ITTONZn~ I

    don't know low lonB it's not been on. I'll have to check t j l"st.

    It was written by Sithembiso.

    COURT: Which 3i thembiso? -- Illy son. yo ur V/o :r'shipct

    PROSBCUTORa On the envelope, is it correct that the name

    and address ot the sender is retlected as that of Si thembiso

    Nkuzangwe? The surname he has used is Nkuzangwe, your

    Wo:tlship.

    And is tha t surname known. to yo ll? -- It Was

    ms rna iden s llrnama ,. yo ur . \\b rshj po And the adnress is given as Box 2239, Daa~~s- (10)

    Salaam, Tanzania? Is that correct? --Thqt is correct, yes.

    Have YOll received any other latters from him

    apart from this ona? -- Yes, apart trom this one before Co urt

    I have received yet anoth~r one.

    \Vas it from the same place? -- Yes yo llr Worship.

    Was the name and ad3:t'ess of the sender reflected

    on that letter Which YOll received? Yes, it was reflected.

    And Was the same address reflected on that

    1 a t t e r'? -- Yea.

    Can I jllst see the exhibit sir. Is it correct (20)

    that the postal sta ps which were llSed on ~xhibi t "Q" also

    reflact the nama 'tTanzania "? -- The stamps on this pa rtic lllar

    letter are not franked, YOllr Worshjp, I do not remember as

    to whether tha other letter I received after this one was

    franked.

    No •. bllt I'm talking abo llt the postal stamps

    on that letter (SIMtffiTAN~OUS TALKING) -- Yes.

    NO FURTH~R gOOSTIONS. • , r ,

    CROSS-EXAMrnATION BY MR. ALBXo\NDBB,: ,

    On~ Exhibit "Q" there ar) three stamps, I think(30)

    if YOll'll look at the stamps and the whole letter, you will

    see/ ••••••••

  • 254 n. H'l' ON ZIN J

    see that those sta mps are not cancel1eo, n Or i13 th~!'e ny

    da te of posting apparent. They are nt)t cancelled.

    The re is no thing to indic a t e t ha t t h t 1e t tel'

    ha s been thro llgh a po stoff ice?

    COURT, I wonder, Mr Alexander, whether tha t is not

    a question which can be raised in argument. It is something

    Which speaks for itself.

    MR. AL~XANDBRIVery well sir, if it's apparent that there is

    no such franking, then o,t course it is self-sxp1anatory. Now,

    you told us that in 1977 Lovedale Was closed and your son (10)

    returned home. --Yes your \Vorahip.

    I ge t the impression from his having taken

    pis matric and gone to university, that he was interested

    to carryon wi th his studies? -- Yes.

    Did he work hard to pass his matric? -- Very h:I rd.

    Nas he a scholarly sort of boy? -- Very much so.

    What ~id he intend to do? What d i d he intend

    to be'? -- He in tended to be a lawyer.

    And what degree was he reading for at Lovedale?

    -- He did not go for a degree at Loveda1e, he went for a (20)

    Teaohers' Co urse, J _ S. T, C.

    Was it his idea that. having done t ha t, h e could

    earn eno ugh money then to further his legal educa tion?

    Your WOrship, he did not want to go to Lovedale, he wanted

    to go, to Fort Hare.

    I st1e, so this was a temporary matter. It

    went according to my financial assets, your Ybrship.

    I see. NoW, When the Loveda le WaS closed, I assume

    that he must have been quite upset abou.t it? He Was very

    much upset . ( 30)

    I'm sure he must have said that his education

    was/ •••••••••

  • / 255 N. NTONZn~I

    Was being interrupted? -- He aid so, ye •

    And I'm sura he must have -also said that the

    same Was happening with other children? -- Yes yo ur Worship.

    Now, we've heard in evi4ence from one of the

    yo ung girls who lived in Kwazake1e, tha t she Was told by a

    friend tha t she sho uld leave this co untry to further her

    education. When she aaked her friend who would be able to

    provide the money to further her educat.ion outside the country,

    ahe Was told that . Thembiso wo uld help.

    COUBTa (FAULTY BROORDING)

    MR. A L~ANDERI She Was told the t Thembiso was the man who

    wo 1.\1.11 help with the mone,y. Now, do yo u know any thing about

    tha t? -- No. ,yo ur \t> rship.

    I take it it wo uldn' t surprize yo 11 if Thembiso

    felt that people whose educatjon bad been interrupted should

    be as~isted? To further their eduoation.

    PROSWCUTOBa Sir, I don't think there ia any basia therein _ , that ih witness oan give an answer to that question.

    (10)

    ~R.¥ AhR~NDiUl. Your ~rship, he ia alleged to be a co-cOnspirator

    and th refors I'm entitled to put questions of what he ma,y (20)

    have aid to his mother, on the bas~s of any evideno of an

    alleged co-oonspirator is admissible.

    PRo;mOUTORa My submission ia, sir, that the defence is now

    soliciting an 'opinion onl,y from the Witness. There waS no basis

    placed to ask that question.

    COURTs - 1as~the baais not laid in this sense that his moth~r has been que tioned fairly full,y abollt his movements,

    what he took place in and in what manner he confided in her? . j •

    To my mind the objection oannot be sustained Mr. proseouto •

    FROS~CUTOB, As the Court pleases, (30)

    MR. ALlU:ANDRBs Perhaps to make it easier for you, I'll put the

    q uestion/ ••••••

    . /

    ' .

  • 256 N. HTOJ zn;r

    qu.estion in this form: You.tv e told llS t ~l'J t v'ollr s n w

    devoted to 1 is e:iucotion'? -- Yf38 yo 11' VlorsrdI1 _

    I'm sure:)8 yo.tng man he a lso felt 1i trass

    th,t oth"'ll' peoplets education han been intorl u.pted,? -- Th..c~t

    I do not know, your Worship.

    Do yo II know whether the friends he kept when he

    lived at home with YOll in 1977 were also sclolarly people?

    Yes.

    HO FURTHTR Q LW~Q!id.

    1r~-~XHUN \TION BY P!!.Q3~CTJTOR: NO gtmSTJON3 •

    WITNBSS IS 11;XCU3BD FIWr.l FURTIi ~B ~"cT8NDA!;c~.

    --000--

    SAMmL CHf\BL'SS dllly sworn states (Witness No. 16) .... --- .... EXAT.1TIHTION BY PROS1i1CUTOR:

    Yo II re the fa ther of Nomama Charles? -- Yes

    yo ur Wo rshj p.

    Page 15, No. 45, Page 34, No. 45. Is ahe also

    known as Nomama Hf:\she'? Yes.

    Page 4. No. 18. There's just a d ~licatlon.

    (10)

    Sir, tor the reeor jtts obviously a du.plic3tion then sir. (20)

    I Was unaware ot the fnct that the name of the pf3rson, or the

    two names refer to the same person . She \Vas be m d u.ring

    November, 1959? Yes.

    COURT: ....... ---- How oIr1- a re yo u. !.ir. Cha rles? 46, yo ur ~/o rship. . P1WS1CUTOR: She attended school at the KWazakele High School?

    -- Yes.

    tmd she was in 3td. 8~ -- Yes yo Ul' Wo r8hip.

    3he didn't write the end at the year examInation ,

    during 19771 -- No. she did no t write the examina tibn.

    Why didn't she writs th:1t exao? -- I do not (30)

    know why she did no t wri te the exam.

    Can/ •••••••••

  • 257

    ho usa'! 1 rly i n 1978 t yo 11.1' 'tlo r'3h i p . •

    T,ia 1'C il J yo ur Wo rship.

    Did she tell you th~ t she w~s leaving? -- No.

    ~ 1'8 the 'ra still so me 0 e i1'3 r c10 thine and

    belongings a t yo ur ho use? Yes.

    ""'1.' d yo u ave l' 11'" ,'" r AJ. 1'0 In } • r ! ,T U "' :> H~;r aca 1.n ! -- ~ o.

    ivTr • . Ch'"I:rles , do you know it you:r dauc.ht03r '1cted

    in :1ny shows a tall? 110 J J have no knowled~e.

    If she :lad taken p

  • \ ~ I •

    258 S, ~'1iARLE s.

    Di4 lIhe p •• each fear, had 8 ...... _- , - Y •••

    She ..... to haft cl ne qui t. 11 because

    1917 I think lIbe would haft thall be_ 18 year. of &g.t-

    Y •••

    ADd aha _ then ill SM. 8 , - Y ••

    ., experienoe -aA •• " ,ft IIq egrn that 1.

  • at .. 8 lour la.t que tion "

    PIOSBCU!OR I Sir I .aiel h. .8 principal ot 1..01180 Hip School 1a I •• l:righWil - -L 0 , 1. -

    coug I A.D4 414 7011 aq JOlt ..... el w" tltJ in Bn&l1Bh , - In Xhoaa. that 1. oorr •• '. Your Worship.

    PROSBCU!OR I You are the father of J(o~al1 • Ko 0 ,Yin 1 , -

    I .. , , •••

    Page 15 luaber .1, page 31, nWllber 49, p • . 34, IUlIlber 49 and 70ur BOD was bom on the 6th Ootober',

    1958 t- Y •• , Your Worabip. (10

    AND 414 he lift with lOU' - Yes.

    Di4 he attend achool , --- Ye ••

    fill what ,ear ? - Unul 1977. Your Worahip.

    What Standar4 d1el he paa8 at aohool ? --- B

    ... toip, SM. 7 You Worship.

    18 it oorreot tbat dvill, October, 1977, ,our

    8011 41 •• ppe.l't' fro- lOur bou .. ,- !hat 1. eo, )'ea, Your

    orabl,.

    qoqg , aich .. n , - Mo~al1.a Via,i. goss9Yzqa ,.4 teU 70U that U 8 leaYia& ? ......... (20

    An4 1Ir. ViJlqi 414 70111" Mil take all )d. o1oth ••

    witil ~i. , - Ro.

    Dil he ake 8AJ cloth1n, wi tb hi.' - Y •• , ~.

    4i4, Your WOrllhlp.

    Is it oerre.t that 4ur1n& abel'

    informe4 Ulat JOur 110 haa be_ &lTeaw4 ,

    COUR! I What ovemMr?

    PBOSBCU!OI • ... ••• ber, 1977 , - Y ., t 1. o.

    mel 1t 18 oorreot th.t 4urin, JIq, 1978 th1

    SOl1 .t ,..un ... ohar,.d ia 'he Be,1onal C un, Pori (30)

  • 260 p.p. VIlQI.

    Port; 111.abe~ ? - If t i. 110, le •• . I ao 80w lOU UHIBI'r L. I the" pho 0-

    graph of Jour BOD on ~at ? - Ye., Your wortlb.1p

    QOUl! I Ihlab.r wIlo ? - Ihmber 49.

    EROSBOYf2I I JIr. Vinqi 1. 1t oorreot 'ba~ lOur 80Il 1 at preaent on iobb1n I.lanA ( OBJBC!IC* BY IIR. AlBXJNlIUl)

    Jql. ALEL\fiDII s Your Woreh1p, I . 40 Dot know _at ~. relAftnoe ot tha~ que.'ion 1 • ., ).t the fir.' blullh it app.,...

    to be h1ghlj pre~u4i01al. He had mOlG that it appeara

    as one of the alleleU-ons in this oharge or what the (10

    infrin,e.. to be dr.. fro- that tact? QQtJR! I I have been waDtiD& to pu~ the .... que.t1on

    which I pa' earli.r and that 1s whether lOU _re .till

    &are.able W wi tn.a.e. be1n& le&4 as the:r haw been t

    iii. AABxpll!!l a Oil , •• Sir but not on thie aspeot , COJ1&! I I .. colliDe to that now' ~oh I take 70U

    ob~ec"4 to ,

    Rt ALBWP!I I I ob~eot to 1t Sir beoau.. the "leTSnce i8 Dot apparept ant the Leal'll8' lrien4 ha. Dot at the mo..nt

    lIho_ 8IlJ bali. on whioh 'he tao~ that he is !lOW aerri.D& (20

    •• r. ot 1apr1eonaent at Robbin Ial8l14 ha4 ~th1D& to do

    wi til We oue.

    OOUJ! I I~ haa be8ll 8&14 that he 1s at Robbin Ial_4

    he mpt alllO be 1ibere as a wart.r. But 1Ir. PrOMcutor

    what i8 the releVlUlce to the question ,

    PllOSBCUrol .' S1r, I ~ud Wall Mel to ooo.01u4e the eY14ence

    of the witn.... '!he acou.ea haa been ohar a el Sir that he _.a1&h~e4. .... eto., people to leaye the COUDt17 to

    ,

    un4erao Id.lltU7 tra1a1a,.

    QQy!Z I !be ob~eot1eR 18 ~.ta1n.4. ( 30)

  • pt», VDQI.

    NO lYRhijRI Q08STIOK;.

    ClOSS BXAl!INATION BI 101. @%M!PBB" ... V1I1 1 ow long h n ,ou been the prinoi-

    pal ot that Bohool ? - Sino. 1966.

    I won4er 1t 7011 OD enlipt e C un

    abou t the fHl1aa ot the tuAente towarta the end of 1m , COUR!' !he te.l.1n&? At hi. echool , iii. AIB:uRlIR. T..? - In "&ar4in& to lIbat ?

    . WeU no. _ kIlow that there ... a bo700 t of

    o."aiD .ouola at that ill .. , - Y •• that 18 of ., ( 10

    eohool, ., .tuaent. at Iq aohool alao bo7cott •• the 1ICh001.

    ,. one tm4er.tan4e the reallOlI. without

    -ar.eillg _til i", there •• IlUJ)PO" to haw beaD the _t1staotlon wi tb. the quali't7 of the .auoat10n "ina pro-

    'fif •• , - Ye ••

    .AIl4 tMe 1e.. 0 briollel,. to •• 01_10n. b7

    atut ... t. that ~., would not ,0 one with the .trlk • • t .AuoaUOIl end bano. the bo70ett ._ oall •• , - Ye., that

    ls ...

    low .. tar .. ;roUl" .. n .s ConC8l'J'l.'. (20

    _ at eoboo1. was h. up .. t that his eauoat10D ... inter-

    nptea , - JC...-n it he was up .. t he ooul4 not po.slble

    lIbow that.

    to,.o ... tather , --- Y •••

    Did 70u mow that he ... up .. i ? - I oannot

    1181- .

    You _aD. Uke llan7 '1 una he 40e. Dot al--&78 tell his father 1Ihat h. 18 thiDkin,' - !hat 1. ,

    Tour Worsh1p.

    10. I haw alao beill, toll that there - ()o)

  • I') 1-.-. • I QI •

    certain .eting h 1d in the T ~.lNI&4p which ad

    banDed in terse ot !be Riot Aa eablia. Aot ? --- 1

    what I heard, Your Worship.

    I ha been told that &8. ault ot the

    meeting. the Police came about their busineBs to arre t

    tbe .. .u _re .~tencl1ng ~ •• etiDg? - !hat i. _at I heart, Your Worship.

    Did lOU see Polioe ftIl. patrolling the area

    at thi. ti .. I .. talkin, about? - Yes.

    You beard lOUdspeakers beiDA u .. 4 b.J Ute ( 10

    polioe to Ai.perae people ? --- Ye ••

    You know that there were certain aots ot

    ~enoe oo.aitte4 Aurin, the tiM , - :re ••

    People 80t h~ ? --- Y •••

    YOUDg ohildren ,.t hurt , - Yea. low .. tar .a 70U are conoel'll •• , apeakins DOW

    et lOur ... bowl_q., _at a .. r the ri&ht or wrona whioh

    ot all thia IIIq be. cl1d 70U know that the ch1ldreJ1 were

    t.-ling 41. tisfi •• with the thaD a1tuation ? - fhe

    ohi14ren wen 41aaat1at1ed, Your Iorahip. (20

    Do 70U know t 70\11" OC knowleq. of other

    ohi14reD. lett lOur sohool anel neftI' 0 ... back , -

    That que.tiol1 is not • ..., to repl, to in tu no_t clq

    !he .ohoole J'8 010 .. 4 01\ the 27th September, the school

    .. re o,ene4 the tol.lowing 7ear 1978. It iii normal that

    the to110.~' 7ear not all the 8~ .tt.ndea ~8 school.

    But now 011 0&8t1l1& the position in 1978 wbaIl

    the school "-open." wi th the cOrN.,oncl1n, poe1 iOI1 1Jl

    1977 atier the 1976 ,.ar, 414 lOU tind that .,re people

    had Dot 00_ back to echool that hat been tile cu. (30)

  • preriollsly ? !'h re re JDO re at en t ho di 0

    return, Your Worship.

    Prom your mo ledge a8 a Prinoipal was hat

    the p1 ttem in Xwuakele and other ,art. o~ Port Bli. th? - T.8, Your Worahip.

    ftO JtJR'lHBB QUBSTICfi§.

    ".0 g BXAMDt AtI~ BY 'fHR PROSBCUt'OR. COURt I Mr. Vinqi ... lour aohool burnt ? - Yes.

    !be whole echool ? --- A 01 .. 8 roo. and a cloor

    to another ola •• roo., Your Worahip. (10

    that t1., wall 70ur 80n still at home ? -

    Ito, h. -.8 in jail, Your Worship. Where waa he ill jail , - In Po~ Elizabeth.

    Why' Wu he one of those who appear.a at

    Algoa p.nc and was then .. nt to pr1 on ? - fto.

    Wher. _8 he oaught' Where was he arreatecl ?

    - ae .. &IT.stea in Johann •• burg, Your Worship.

    ll1d 10U ,0 u, to Johannes'bur& for his .... a1 ,

    - R., he brought 40_ to Port; Blisab.th, Your Worship. wa. he trial.4 in Port; Bliaabeth , - Y •• ( 20 In the Relional. Court ? - Yea.

    Wher. ? - Ne. La. Courts, Your Worship.

    When ? - In )(ay.

    Wbat l.ar ? --- Mar of 1978. NO JOBHR QUBSTIOtHJ.

    10 BB i!AU;P!ATICIf BY '1!HB P~SBgp!ol.

    COUR! I Ye8 Mr. Pro .. outor ?

    PROSBCU1'OR I Sir, I have 110 other wi tIle888. available to-

    4a7·

    COUK! a This i8 a ,nat p1tJ 1Ir. Prosecutor becau (30

  • have lots ot time r, it i only nty fiv

    lDinutes to t_l~ no and we still ha an hour and a

    halt until one and then we still h va trom t to tour ?

    PROSECUTOR I Sir t judging !roa tq previous ex .dece

    I 414 not think that .. would go quick a8 414 14th

    th ••• witness •••

    couRt I Would there b. an ob~ect1on against an adjournment at this stage ?

    MR. ALEXjNDBR s Oh no Sir, not at all.

    QOOR! I !hank 70u. The cas •• 1. then remandea till

    Monda7, what elate would that b. - the 12th ot PebNary,

    1979 8tart1n& t1 .. 8.)0. Or shall we put it erronotioal

    terms, estimated time of starting.

    MR. ALEXANDER I lor it 1s otten seen on pleacling Sir or

    as 800n thereafter a8 cOWls.l mq be heard.

    THE CA§E IS REMANDED lJ{TIL MONDAY 12. 2. 1979.

  • TRANQC RI:dER 1 S C8RTI1'ICAT:8

    I , the undersigned, hereby certify that the aforegoing •

    is a true and correct transcription of the original evidence

    recorded by means of a mechanical recorder in the case of: -

    THE STATE V"[~RSUS: •. .I\ A.~~T\ Q .q: . ~ . Q't?~ 119 . . , . .....• •

    TRANSCRIBER : ~ =-»- Q--e ... . ·C_\· .... '.' ....... · · ' I

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