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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ''' ' ' '

SEVENTY-EIGHTH GENE ASSEMBLY .

OfENTZ-FIFTH LEGISLATIùV DAY2

MARCH l3: 1973 .

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' THE HONORABLE W. ROBERT BLAIR, SPEAKER . .

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K. Miller: ''The House will be in order and prayer by Joe

Cary. 'î '

Cary: ''Let us pray. Give ears to ny word. oh Lord. Consider

my meditation. Harken unto the voice af my cry, my kingAjand my God, for unto thy I will pray and so almighty God, .

I pray for our Speaker, for the Leadership and all the

. Members . Amen .'. P IT ' '

Miller: ''Thank youo Messages from the Senateo'' ' '

F. B. Selcke: ''Message from the Senate by Mr- Fernandes, .

Secretary. Mr. Speaker - I am directed to inform the House

of Representatives the Senate hàs passed a Bill lzitlz the

f llowing title and passage of which' I am inseructed too

ask concurrence of the House. Senate Bill l9, 22, l08 and

' 226. Passed the Senate March 7: 1973. Edward E. Fernandes

Secretary. Mr. Speaker - I am directed to inform the

House of Representatives the Senate has passed a Bill with

' the following title and passage of which I am instructed

io ask concurrence of the House. senate Bllls 23, 81, 105,

. 106, 140, 141, 151, 164, 227. Passed the Senate March 8,

. k 1973. Edward E. Fernandes, Secretary. Mr. Speaker - I am

' directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate' . . ; ; . ' .has concurred with the House of Representatives to pass a '

Bill with the following title: House' Bill 184, together

. with the following'amendments thereto, the adoption of whic

..t: ,. ..' I am instructed to ask concurrence of the'House. Passed

the Senate as amended, March 8, 1973. Edward E. Fernandes, '

Secretar . No further messa eso''v'- -wJ ,, ' 1 G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Yj o 'x ... j sv x x s o v j u u j s o j sV ..vc

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Miller : ''Com ittee Reports . ''$ j, 'j F. B. Selcke: Mr. Washburn from the Committee on Appropriatio s

to which House Bills 54, 70e6.84, 164, 253 and 3l4 were re-

ferred, reported sending back with the recommendation the

Bills do pass. Mr. Collini from Eiecutive: to which House

Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment No. l was offerre ,

@ reported sending back with the recommendation the Resofutio

do passo' Mr. Collins from Executivee to which House Joint

' Resolution Constitutional Amendment No. 2 was offerredz re-

' .ported sendin: back with the recommendation that the

Resolution do rot pasc. Mr. Collins from Executi.ve, to

which House Bill 357 was referred, reported sending back

' .with the recommendation the Bill do not pass. Mr. Collins

from Executive, to which House Bill 230 was referred, re-

ported sehding back with amendments thereto, with the

recommendation the amendments be adopted and the Bill as

amended do pass. Mr. Collins from Executive, to which

'House Bills 5, l38 and 139 were referrede reporcing sending

. . back with the recommendation that the Bills do pass. Mr.. . ' . ..

, . ' ' é s l tion. Collins from Executive? to whic House Jo nt Feso u

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' èonsèitutional Amendment No. 3 was offerred, reported, . ' ' '

. ' .sùndinq back with the recommendation that the Resokution do. . . 'i ..1 . .

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not pass. Mr. Rose from the Committee on Judiciary 1, to

' ' which House Bill 93 was referred, reported sending back wit

. Amendments thereto, with the recommendation the Amendments

. ' be adppted and the Bill as amended do not pass. Mr. Rose

from the Comnittee on Judicary 1, to which House Bill l29

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was referredp-reported sending back with amendments thereto

with a recommendation that the amendments be adopted and

the Bill as amended do pass. Mr. Pappas from Motor Vehicle p

fo'which House Bill 255 waq referred, reported sending backwïth the recommendation the Bill do not pass. Mr. Neff fro

Transportation, to which House Bill 305 was referred, re-. .' . .

' ' . . . ': ;. .. ' Ported sending back with amendments thereto, wikh a recom- .'.. ..

' . 1 '' :. ' . . ' ' .' ' dakion the Amendments be adopted an'd the Bill as amended X 'men

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.do #ass. .No further Committee Reports.'' '' Miller: ''Intrôdution and First Reading of House Billé.'' '

F. B. Selcke: ''House Bill 603. Plinn. Makes an appropriation

for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Departme'nt

. of Business and Economie Development. First Reading of the. . . . : ' . . . . )

''Bi11 604 Stedelin. Makes' appropriations for the ordi-

nary and contingent expenses of the Department of Conserva-

' - tion. Pirst Reading of the Bill. 605- Stedelin. Makes': -' .

' appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses .

of the Department of Mines and Minerals. First Reading of. . . ' ) ' ' : '' w. . . 4 . '' . . . : . . .

. the Bill. 606. Craig et al. . Repeals section of Highway .. J ' . . . . '

:r.,. .:. Code. , First .Reaéing of the Bill . 607 . Penzessey et a1... ' $ , :t. , . . . . . .. . à jr ( .. . '. . . . . . . . x.: .. & ' '

. . 'u.'Amvndàithe Illinois Vehiclé Code. First Reading of the

. , .:.uJ.Biîl. House Bill doa.' Redmond et àl. Makes appropriations'. ;, # , . . . ,. . r . . ..

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' ' . . :t . ' , . . ,j . ' '' '.' the Bill. 609. Schneider. Makes an appropriation to the

u Pollution Control Boafd. First Reading of the Bill. 610.

. . Pkerce. Makes yn appropriation for the ordinary and con-tingen: expenses of the Bureau of the Budget. First Reading

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of the Bi11. 611. Pierce. Amends the Conveyance Act.

First Reading of the Bill. 612. Maraqos. Amends the

Highway Code. Eïrst Reading of the Bill. 613. Philip

Amends Election Code. Pirst Reading of the Bill. 6l4>)

Calvo. Makes an appropriation for the ordinary a:d con-

tingent expenses of the Institute of Environmental Quality.

First Reading of the Bill. Londrigan. Amends the Illinois '

Municipal Retirement Fund. First Reading of the Bill. 616.

Kelly. Amends the Vehiele Code. First Reading of the Bill.

' 617. Matijevich. Amends Election Code. First Reading of

the Bill. 618. Stone. Amends Universities Civil Service

' Ack. Fârst Reading of khe Bill. 619. Redmond. An Act in

relation to the payment of State costs of higher education.

. First Reading of the Bill. 620. Philip. Amends Vehicle

Code. First Reading of the Bill. 621. R. A. Walsh. Amen s

School Code. First Reading of the Bill. 622. Terzich

et a1. Amends Insurance code. First Reading of the Bill. ., .

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623. Gibbs et al. Amends the Criminal Code. Eirst Reading

of the Bill. ' 624. Gibbs. Creates an Act to protect the, i ' 'L' .. . . ' . . ' - . a' k ' . .

'' i hts' of persons conscientiously opposed to abortion. Eirsr q

. : amenus code of ''Reading of the Bi1l- 625. Kosinsk .,. . ' . y .

' Criminal Procedure. . First Reading of the Bill. 626. Katz

et al. Amends Toll Highway Authority Act. First Reading of' : . .

the Bill. 627. B. B. Wolfe et al. Removes contributory

negligence as a 'bar to recover in civil actions. First

Reading of the Bill. 628. B. B. Wolfe. Creates an Act

to assist persons to make voluntary settlement of claims.

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First Reading of the Bill. 629. Matijevich. Amends

Insurance Code. First Reading of the Bill. 630. Gibbs

et a1. Repeals Intoxicaking liquor on Trains Act. First

Reading of khe Bill . 631 . Gibbs et al . Creates a divisio.. ) ,

of alcoholism within the bepartment of Mental Hea1th. Firs

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Miller : ''Representative Borchers does now move that the House

recess until 10:00 AM.'' ' '. . ' ..

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: '''The House will be in order. The invoca

tion this morning will be by Doctor Johnsono''

e Doctor Johnsonz #'We pray. Almighty Creator and God of our

Father, with thanksgiving, we acknowledge the strengthy

stability and capacity for work, which we have received fro

your hand. And now today, we put our hands to the task onc

- ikl ads yout blessing tomore Eefore us and ask that &o? w

all we do. Remind us always that we are stewards of al1 th t

has been entrusted to us and when the labors of this day. ' . 1 . .

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:' are over, grant that we may place khem into your hands, ask' g' .! . . . . .

you to bless them, where blessing is due. and to remove wha

, has been done amidst. Restore us to your favor, oh Lord,

l khenever we fail and as new opportunities lie before us,. . u a to ao tuose things.' direct US by your PUrPOSeS to See an

which are pleasing ân your sight and which will bring your

ontinuing benediction upon us and upon our Stai.e . And nowc

. r . - , G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Yjm e ''i '' . ,N > ' .. v @ ' .N ' HOUSE OF REPRKSERTATIVP;S

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7 .'q hearts be acceptable in your sights. Oh Lord

, our strength', , . and our redeemer. Amen.f'

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ORo1l Call for attendance. Committee;'

' Reports.'' 'j')F

. B. Selcke: ''Mr. Blades frcm the Cammittee on Agriculturaland Natural Resources

e to which House Bill 264 was referred

.reported sending back with the recommendation that the Bill

' . 'k ''do pass, and be re-keferred ko the Appropriations Committee.

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' .Mr. Blades from the Committee on Agricultural and Natural .'

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. 's, Resources, to wh ch House Bill 283

was referred.... .Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''One momente please. The gentleman fromu i

on Mr choate-'' 'n , .

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.Choate: ''Yes, Mr. Speaker. I would like for the Journal to. ' indicate that Repr

esentative Richard Carter is absent be-cause of illness-

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Journal will so indicate. Gentlemanfrom Cooky Mr. William Walsh

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William Walsh: ''Wi11 the Journal show that Representatives .Sevcik, Grananka and Wall are absent because of illnesse

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F. B. Selcke: '?Mr. Bladés from the Committee o

n Agriculturaland Natural Resources'

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to which Hoùse Bill 283 Was referred,. reportea sending back with th

e recommendation the Bill do. ,. ..r j. ,

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Pass. Mr. Blades from Agricultural and Natural Resourcese

' hich House Bill 354 was r'eferred, reported sending backto w

. I . fwith the recommendation the Bill do pass

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Agreed Resolutions.''

F. B. Selcke: ''House Resoluticn 97. Holloway et a1. House

Resolution 98. Schoeberlein et a1.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleyan from Cook, Mr. William Walsho'

Walsh: ''These are the Aqreed Resolukions, Mr. Speaker, and

House Resolution 97 commends Mr. Gilbert Holmes, who has.

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been named Man of the Year by the Sparta Chamber of Commerc -

House Resolution 98 commends the Easter Seal Society of

Aurora, who ahas announced the celebration of its 25th

Anniversaryz and I move the adoption of the Agreed Resolu-

tions . ''Hon. W. Robert Blairz ''All righte the question's on the adopti n

of the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor, say êaye',

. those opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Agreed

Resolutions are adopted.- A1l right, in order to expedite

the Calendar, I'm going to go to Third Reading before Secon

Read.ik:i:.y trnday, silcply bacï .use vze worked on Second Reading

. to Third quite a bit last week, and I think we need to get

. . > i . .' to Third Readkng and move some Bills. so, we'll go to

House Bills, Third Reading.'' . '. . .. .

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. . v. a. selcke: nHouse Bill 6. An Act that provides 1aw in rela

-S tion to promisory notes, bonds,'due bills and other instru-

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ments in writing. Third Reading of the Bil1.O

' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Harold

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F. B. Selcke: ' ''The Gentleman has asked for it to be taken

out of the Reccrd, so we'll go to House Bill l2. An Act

to amend the Tllinois Vehicle Ccde. Third Reading of the

Bill . '' .

Hon. W. Robert Blair: Dlust in case my announcement didn'k

. . . . wasn't heard by all Ehe Members, welre on Third

Readingy and weXre going down on the automatic roll call.

So I would suggest that you take a look at the Bills that

are on Third Reading and appreciate that we might be gektin

ko your 5i11 rather qutckly. Gentleman from Sanganon', .Mr.

Gibbsz ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of 'the House, House

Bill ï2 is a very simple Bill. It allows a right turn ona red light, after stopping in the State of Illinois. Itl,

patterned after several other States. I believe tNere Rre

21 States that have a modified form of this lawz and there

are 11 States that absolutely allow it. The biggest and

largest one, of course, is California. and al1 of the studi s

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.' have shown that this has helped the flow of traffic cona

'' siderably. The National Safety Council has come out in

.' favor of it. The Department of Transporkation has come out

in favor of it. The Sec<etary of Skate for the State of

Illinois is in favor of it, and the Chicago Motor Club is

' not against it. They said they have to look at it ko see

if there was enouqh time, more less to implement the Bill

for safety sake. So the Bill was amended and put in an

effective date of January 1, 1974. which wâll give 'plénky

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of time for the differentbgovernmental bodies' and municipal -

kies to post the areas or the intersections where they do

not want to allow such a turn. WMAQ out of Chicago has

dito' rialized in f avor of this and they ask for responsee. . . ) . ,

from kheir listenerse and 'khrough the Senior Edâtor, Dillio

Smith. they received something like 5,000 affirmative lette s

in favor of it, and 8 against it, so we believe it will hel '

l .the flow of tralfic and kraffic conditions in Iliinois and

. ..'' . . 1' ask f or your f avorable vote . ''

. Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. William Walshe'

' ' Walsh. ''Wil1 khe Sponsor yield to a question?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: .''He indicates he will.''

Walsh: ''Do you have any statistics on pedestrian injuries and

fatalities in Stqtes or Cities where this is permitted as

' eompared to places where it is not permitted?''

. Gibbs: ''We11, Representative Walsh, this was one of the ah.... '

I think the nlmèer one criterias the biggest 'problems they '

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L a' hi d in trying to determine whether or not it should be. . . : .ï. N .

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'- ' .7 supported bv the motor club and also the National Safetv '. '.

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7, ' il' some advocates sav that the motorists and the pedestrians

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law also, Bill , to the ef f ect that at the present time , the

law in Illinois is that you can walk against a red light.

This changes that, and this prohibits walking against a

red light any further in Illinois , so I think it would help)

in that areay because I téink we ' re one of the f ew States

that allows people other than you see for a municipal ordi-

nance, which does not prohibit walking against a red light.l'

Walsh: ''We11, Mr. Speaker, my very unprofessional reaction to

this is that a motorist who is looking to hi's left tr/ingto determine whether he can make a right turn on a red

lighk, ah.... and looking to his left to see if there's any

on-cbming traffic/ would not' be in a position to look to his

right to see if there were pedestrians crossing in front of

him and it would seem to me tiat there would be more pedestr'ans

injuries and fatalities as a result of this, so I tend to

oppose this Bi11.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. B. B. Wolfe.''''

'' k k Mr speaker. will the gentleman yield forwolfe: T an you, ., '

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. 'W. Roberk Blair: ''He indicates he wzll.''

Wolfe:. ''Does the ah.... do:s the Act permit two standards, for.. ' ' '

example, I notice that a lçft turn ah.... after, let's see,, .. ' .

. permits a left turn after a full stop at direct signal, only

as authorized by local ordinance. Now that applies to left

turns, then is that right?'''

,, ù'' h affect that youGibbsz Yes, and that as been amended to t e

are allowed a left turn into a one-way street from a one-way

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street. So if youl'te approaching a one-way street on a one

way street ànd you're in the left lane, after coming to a

stop, you can khen proceed lefk into thak one way street-''

Woife: ''Al1 right. Now, does the right turn, does the per-')

missive right turn also apply to all municipalitiesy cities

and villagesytthroughout the State, or can they regulate

inst that on local optionto ' 'aga: ' .

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Gibbs: Under the Act they can come in and post the areas

. that they want to post and prescribe this type of activity

.' and preclude it if they deem ii necessary in their judge-

lment. In other words, if the traffic engineer thinks it

L would be a safety hazard, he can prohibit iten

Wolfe: ''Well, on the Bill itself, Mr. speaker, I support the

. Bill. I think it has enough of the safeguards in the Bill,

with the Amendment to create a sftuation which is going to

'effectively move traffic through these intersections at

' ' a very safe rate, and I think that the objection inter-

' , posed by the previous speaker about pedestrians, in those

' ' intersections in which there is heavv pedestrian traffic,J ' ; . . .. . . '

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.then the ah.... loc'aï munlcipality or village Day restrict.' ' .!. < i . ' $ . . ' ' . .

' L.lany such right-hand turn and ah.... protect that ieavy. l . ' . . . - ... ' . , '

'Lpedestrian flow of traffic. So I would support this Bill,' ' . . . . .

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' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Juckett.o

' ' ''M S eaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House.Juckett: r. p

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- 'In answer to the distinguished majority leaders objection,: ',

'' .to this Bill, he must realâze that the present Skate 1aw

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allows and permits pedestrians to cross against a red llght

NoW we do nok allow motor vehicles to cross an intersection '

against a red light. The present 1aw does allow pedestrian

to do that thing. In other words, if they look b0th ways,' 3 .

supposedly, they may step off of the curb and they may cros

against heavey traffic cr no traffic or any kind of traffic

. The Bill, as Represenkative Gibbs has indicaked, will maie .'z' .that illegale so that when a car is making a right turn/ . -'

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' ''be no pedestrian traffic ià the pedestrians follow the law'. '. ' : ' '

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.' So there will not be the pedestrians out there. The caré.::) : . .

' ' will not be knocking them over like ten pins, and it has. . ' ' .

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' , . shown in every state where they have allowed thisy./.par- .

' ' i larly in California that the pedestrian accident rate, t cu

does decrease, because the pedestrians just cannot step off

. l ' ethat curb, and if they do# they are liable and not this .

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. . . $ '. . a :. t . . 1 . . . . ' . h .. t: ' e ' ' ' '0. . .( . * : # . '.,' àon '.'W'.' Robert ' Blair: ''.'''rhe , gentleman from Lake, Mr . Matijevich. ''t'. x . ..t , . . . a

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. . . Matijevichz ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the Housey only quickl. . . . . . .. '

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?uu in'support of this Bill, I might say that I talked to Dillio:) '. :1 . I, h. ' ? '

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.''' Smâth in the corridor a little while aqo. Theydve had a

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has run a little over 5,000 to 14 in favor of right turn

on red. So the motoring public does favor this type of

legislakion, and I would hope that the General Assembly

would not drag its feet and do pass this Bill, House Bill

l2, send it over to the Senate so that the Governor can

sign this Bi1l.'#

. Hon. W. Robert Blair; ''Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Norti.''

North: ''Mr. Speaker, ùadies and Gentlemen of tée House, I rise

tossupport this particular Billy apd I can attest to the

' fact that it does move traffic very expeditiousiy. It is '

safe. We in the Rockford area have been having this type:

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. of a turnipg movement for over the last year, and we have' . .

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' had'no problems whatsoever as far as safety, accidents. Itl k ' ' . ' . . '

. does expedite the traffic and I urge your support of this

lj ' .measure.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The Lady from Lake, Mrsz Geo-Karisg''

O i 4..r S Peakeir , LC'.d i C; S 64nd G2D t li7mpn 'D f Y$e HOUSe p ;. GeC'-XariS : .. . t

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' : I ove the prevlo'us queskion. ''. m .'. . .

! ' ' î.. .' Blair ''' /Al1 those in favor of the lady's motionHon. w. Robert :

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, . . làay 'aye' opposed 'no' the 'ayes' have it. Gentleman. # #'

' ?' ' '''' ''' f om sangamon, . Mr. Gibbs . to close . '' . ' . .. ; .. . < . , . .

. . . ' ; ' .. .Gibbs:' ''The bigqestrproblemuseems to be the safeiy factor, and .) . '

' :' ,. , . ' ' ,' . . :. a's one' of the preéious speakers stated ln his unprofessiona? ' ' . . ' '

. . . l f . , . .' ' opinion, lt would create a safety problem. However, the

National council %as certainly looked into this, as has the

' , ' secretary of stat'e and'the Department of Transportation and

. . , . ' . ' ' .

' X ,':they do not feel it is a problem, and I ask for your

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. favorable voteelî

Hon. W. Robert Blvir: '1Alf right, tie question is, shall HouseI

Bill 12 pass? A11 those in favor, will vote 'aye', and

the opposed lno'. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Mccourt.l

Mccourt: ''Mr. Speaker, may I raise to explain my vote? I've

heard the propcnents of this legislatiov mentio'n that this

will help to move traffic. I've li#tened to the editorials

on WBBM, telling thai this will help to unfkustrate certain

.' drivers. I ask you, when youlre voting for this Bill, are

we here to be psychiatrists, to help frustrated drivers, or .

. . are we lqhere to protect people's safety. There are no

statistics, no statistics to show thak this Bill or this

. ; particular change in our Vehicle Code will help the safety

of pedestrians. The National Code is contrary to this at

the present time and I would urge a 'noê vote for al1 those

who prefer safety over unfrustrating certain driversop

Hon. W- Robert Blfiir: ''Any further explanation of votes? Al)

riqht. the Clerk will take the record. On this question,

. there are l4d 'ayes', 3 'nays., and this Bill, having re-. ' . . . ' . :

. . ' ceived a constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passedo''t

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. . , . ' . .. .' e B selcke: ''Hbuse Bill 35. An Act....'' '

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''Xll right if we coul: have a ah....Hon. w. Robert Blair: .' ' if the Members in the aisles'. .'. little order in the House and

. . . ' q 1 . ' ', . would ah... be in their seatsy because I have the pleasure

of introdùcinq a distinguished person Eo the Assembly today.. ' . . . 1 -

. So if we could have a little orderk The Maharishee is here

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today to extend his greetings to the Illinois House of

Representatives in appreciation for the passage of Housè

Resolution 677 in May of 1972. As you will recall, that

Resolutlon recognized and recommended the investigation by ' 1

People throughout Illinois on the contributions of the

' Science of Creative Intelligence and Transindental medikati n.. l ' $ . ,

. ' It is my pleasure'Eo preseni to you a man of love and'peace. . . ' ' .. . . y .

. . .. .

the Maharishee Mahesh Yogi.'' . . ' ''. 1, y . .

' Mahesh Yogi: ''Itfs my joy to come congratulate al1 the Members

. . here who have pass the Resolution in favor of Science of

' Creative Intelligence, which is a very simple national

' ' means to unfold full potential of flesh, and when I heard

,. this Resolution was passed here, it thrilled my heart. It

. .' kas Abraham Lincoln, who in the long history of this great

nation, most creative nation in the world, stood for unity

. '. : and freedom. I wish al1 the People of this State khrough

; . t '. . '

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the wise leadership of this House of Representatives, the .. . . . . ' .

ê. .''.'powerful go/ernment, will rise to full pokential of its

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.: ' ':k.:;t '' knowledge and we' 11 create a society f ree f rom suf f ering '; ! ' ' . . .

. . . . j: f : . . . , . . (. . . : - , . . ' . , . . , ..' . r'.n''kirst and tken in fuïfillment in peace and harmpny. And

tjl $. . . . . , Q: J . , . . . . . .. . î' ' 6 'ïAcrthank #ou açai n' f or âllowing me to come to this alter of . ' ' ' '

. . . . y 1 . 2 1 : ,. 74 'ê . .. . . '. ; y . . . , . .' ' . . Cufreedom and serviée of mankind. Thank you very muchos' '1 . r j . ' ' ' ': . . . .

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Honr W: Robert Blair: House Bill 35. . . .'. . % . ë . . . . . '

. . ' P..IB. selcke: ''House Bill'35. An Act to'revise the 1aw in

'. l.krelation to marriages. Third Reading of the Bi11.H

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' .: Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Sfmms.''z . .

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simms: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House

Bill 35 amends the'marriage act repealing the rqqùirements

that an affidavit indicating the woman's immunity to Rubell

' be filed before the issuance of a marriage licensey in the. )

State of Illinois. On Ockober 4, 1972, the County Clerk of

Cook County filed a suit in the Circuit Court andi:a .temporawy

' injunction was issued against not requiring that the Rubell. ' . .l . '' .' ' ' . . . ' 'x ' . . . ' , . .

. -21 immunization be recuired. In the Court's decision, it was ' '

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' found that it is discriminatory in that it forces women to '. r , .

. : . ' .' ' be required to submit to an inconvenience and 'discomfort '

' ' not required on their intended spouses. No provision in th

law is made for the exemption of 1aw for those females who

cannot: because of age, surgery or congenital defects becom

., .pregnant. Also, it's clear that the present act has re-

sulted in an increase in the number of pregnant women .

erroneouslv receivinq Rubella immunization. This Bill has$ ''* '''.

V.' the support of the Illinois Medical Society, the Department. .' . .

' .'of public Health and received no opposition in committee.

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*.1. .' would solicit the favorable vote. '' .

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' : ! .''.''- Hon-' 'w ' Robert Blair : . ''Any f urther discussion? All right the. ' p. . ' , . .; .. . , . : .

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'. ' lwill vote 'aye', and the ppposed 'no'. Have al1 voted who. . . N g ( . , . . .

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' wisha Mann 'aye'. The clerk will take t%e record. on this. z

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'question, theée are 120 'ayes', l 'nay', and this Bill, havi g. i .

' ' - rebceived a constitutional Majobity, is hereby dedlared

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F. B. Selcke: ''House Bill 39. Bill for an Act to amend the

Civil Practice Act. Third Reading of the Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Cook. Mr. Leon.''

Leon: #'Mr. Speaker, Members 6f the House, House Bill 39 pro-

vides for a six man jury to try civil casese with the aptio

' of either party to request an additional six if they wish

' ' ' a twelve man juryz The ah.... Bill callâ for an additional' ' fee, where fees are required, for a request 'for a twelve

' m'an jury. I will appreciate your support of this Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Franklin, Mr. Hart.''. : .

'

Hart: ''Wil1 the Sponsor yield?'' ' ' '

Hon'. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he wil1.'' '

' . . .

- Hartr ''In what ah.'. . . John, in what instances is a fee re-

t:lu quired f or a j ury? ''Leon: ''A feel in Illinois, the only county that has jury

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. .. .'.. fees is the County of Cook. The rest of the counties in

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' Illinois do not require a jury fee, and this Bill does not. . . : . ' ' ( . ' ' . I ..'

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u ' ' . ' ' ' œ'J impose a nurv fee in those counties. ' ' '. .. j . ' . ' * ' 1 ' -; '7 . . Nt . . . ' 'J

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Hart : ''Thank you very much - '' .:. . . ' . . . ' . ' ' ' . ' ' ' ' .$ . . . ' ' ' ' ' T ' '' . . .% t . l ' ; . ' y < ' . .. ; .. i i'i.: 1 i. . . . . '.' ' l ' 1 % . . . . L'' d . '

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. Hon. W. Roberf Blair z Gentleman f rom Coo , . . .. . ' ' : ' . . ' . ' .

' ' ' Palmer: .'RIf the Sponsor will yield f6r a question.a'aohn, I'm .

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going to vote for the Bill, ah... I think we'd have to5 . ' .

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' '' i' it's a revenue measure for cook county, but I.d. . . , . admi ,'

.- '. fike to know ah... how puch MFT money ah... that Cook

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$ . ' ' ' '. y, : . . . .. ' ; county got ip the'last ah... auditing period. I ask that.

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' L question in çommittee and I didn't get an.answerî if you

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Leon: ''Mr. Shea will answ

er the questiona''

K. Miller: ''The gehtleman frcm Cooke Mr. Shea.''Sheal eI d

onft understand yaur question, Mr. Palmer

m'' The Coun y' of Cook gets 32 milli

on dollars for their MFT money perlj

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Palmer: ''We1l, how much of that is transferred t

o the Circuit ,

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' court system in C

ook County.''

.S ea: Zero.

. .Palmer: ''When it

use ko be though, this, was this law chanqed?- 7 'Ah

.... money transferred on mctor fuel tax int

o the..a for the traffic on the basis. the theory of traffic'. courts. .

.Shea) ''Governor Ogilvie, ah... asked whe

n he was PresidentOf the County Board t

o use up the six million dollars ofmotor fuel tax money for the operation of the highwaydepartment and the circuit court. In 1968, it was changed

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ars and then Represenkative Pollack, as '

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I remember, put in a Bill to do away with any dollar

amounty .. :

. .. :so that the county Board pân now use all of the MFT for any. , 1 ' . . v. ,.

. ' : * '' '. .. 1 $ . ' . . , 'Purposes it wants, Corporate purpases

gto .Palmer: ''Including the MFT mopey/ but has there been any, - . . ' -'

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Shea: ''I 'donlt follow you bv anv transfero''

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, from the General Fund over to the Circuit Court

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Shea: 'lln order to make this year's appropriation ordinancee

khere Was the use of MFT for corporate purposeso ''

Palmer: ''And how much was that?''

Shea: ''I have no idea of the dollar amount.''

Palmer: lYou see, this was the question I was asking. Thank

you.'' .

K. Miller: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Portero''

Porter: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I'm

' one of the co-sponsors of House Bill 39 and my only argunen

with this Bill is khat it does not go far enough. This is

ermissive Bill that allows six man juriese except in tho ea p

cases where one of the parties wants a jury of twelve. Sin e

the case of William Vs. Florida in 1970, where the Supreme

Court of the United States held the trial by jury does not

necessarily mean a trial by twelve persons: there has been

a rapidly growing trend toward six man juries in the United

states. '.This DA U.S. District Court, including thd Distric.

Courts of the Northern, Southern and Eastern District ofla ..' . ' k

' Illinois have adopted a rule allowing for six man lurieàz'

.' i all cases. Twen'ty-eight states, includinq california,n

lorado, Conneticut, Minnesota, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, . .Co

ezorlda, Michigan; New york, azl 'ok these states have .adopted this same 1aw that is proposed here. * think the

' savings in citizen and court time àndlpublic money and tn

energy is evident, and in view of the great backlog of

civil cases. particularly in Cook County. ,1 urge a favorabl

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K. Miller: ''The gentleman from Lawerence, Mr. Cunninghama''

Cunningham: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I hope

that it is not presumptious for a downstater to vote and

speak against this Bill which is admittedly applicabie to

only Cook County. I shall vote in the way that I am indi-

cated, because that was the way that I voted ïn the

Committee, and also the way I believe in this particular

, ' case. It is a pernicious thing to restrict the traditional .

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liberties of the people. Since time began in this Counkry,

wepve had twelve man jur'ies. Itîs the false economy that

. . .says that we can expedite justice by cutting off six of

those jurors. Logically, if you would follow that reasonin

. tq its next step, we would cut off a1l the jurors and then't 'we would have the guilt, innocence or civil rights of indi-

viduals determined by judges who now, thanks to the tendenc,

' ' :. of the legislature to abandon traditional value, do not hav

io run against live opponents for re-election, but are in

' there for life. I say that it's safer, Members of the

' . General Assembly, io stick to tried and true values thàt. . ,' . . . ; . .3

, we'kave known. Let tiis false economcy be denied in this' instance and let's leave the situation as we find it for

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' ' ' 'a little while longer. I will vote no in the hopes a few. . ' . . . . ' .. . . ' . , T. ' ' .'

. pore will do liiewiseo'' ' ,

. K. Miller: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. B. B. Wolfe.''

''Tiank you, Mr. spe'aker and Ladies and Gentïenen ofwolfe:

the' House. I.m amazed to hear my colleague oppose a Bill

which is purely permissive and permits a lawyer to select

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twelve jurors if he feels that twelve jurors can' best

determine his civil case. I've been trying jury cases for a number of years. I originally introduced a bill

when I was a freshman in this House, allowing the six man

jury. Nobody has been deprived of any rights. As a matter

of fact, a party who does not have the cost of a twelve' man jury can get a jury trial for half that cost. And I ' '

don't care if you have six man in the jury box or twelve,. the problem is always the same. .You've got to convince

somebody that youfre right. A six man jury is a good way

. 'ko aho... to provide jury service for alle and particularly

in those jurisdictions that have a difficult time getting

' twelve men to servce on a civil jury. So I would support

this Bill as a step forward in our modern jurisprudenceah.... system and allow permissively a man to select whethe

' . j

' . he wants s'ix or twelve. You want to take twelve men and

further confuse the issue, be my glleste but I would support

' this Bill, because it's a step forward.''. ) .. . . . . k

K. Miller: ''The gentleman from Cooky Mr. Schlickmano/ . .. . . . . ' ù ., .

Schlickman: ''Would the Sponsor yield to a question?''

. ' . ,1 .' Leon: GYes #' : ' ' . s ' '

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Schliçkmah: ''How are fèes'afor.jury demands determined now?''. ' . % ' ' ' . .Leon:' . oThere 'is a salarv and fee schedule for the County of

' Cook, which provides fifty dollars for a twelve man jury.''. , .. ' . t . . . : . '

schlickman: ''I'm sorrv. 1, didn't hear'khato'' . ' .

Leon:. ''There is a statutory Sohedule of fees/ which determines

; ' . ' '. . . 2 . , . . . .the amount of money ihat is paid for a jury in Cook County.d'

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Schlickman: ''Section 64z which you are amendinq, provïdes as

.it Presently stands, provides that the fee shall be de-

kermined by Statute or by rule of Court, order of court.

Now, this Section does not provide a fee, and I'm wonderinq

which Seckion' of the Statuke does prescribe the fee for

jury demands?'' .Leon: '1I believe it's Chapker 51, Section 43, whfch provides

for fees for juries in Cook Countyo''Schlickman: ''And what is the fee that is prescribed there?n

' Leon : ''Fif ty' dollars . '' ' '

K. Millerz ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Griesheimero''

Griesheimer: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,

if I may, Mr. Speakery ah.... since 1111 be speaking to the

problem that Cook County creates for downstate jury attorne s

I would like the record clarified that I am from Lake Count

and not Cook Countyo'' . '

K . Miller : '' I 1 m sorry , Sir . '' . ' . .. .

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Griesheimer: ''I am speaiing in opposition of this Bill, :ithreqard to the feés section of the Bill. ' Presently, very

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few downstate counties requireu a' fee for a jury demand,

' and I personally feel by imposing an arbitrary fee on juries

. wedre doing nothing but putting the courts further away

drom the average person on the street. It s very expensiveto qo into courts now. Everybody recognizes this and by

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plaeing a mandatory fee, that does nothing than codify by' ' . . . ' .

statute an existing rule of court in Cook County, we are

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jeopardizing the inte/est of downstate Illinois. And I

would point out again for the record, that Lake County isl

a downstate county and we do not make any charge for our

juries, whether they be six man or twelve man juries. I

think it is basically a bad idea when you have to charge

people for justice. Thank you, Mr. Speaker./ .

K. Miller: Is there urther discussion? All right, the Chair

. will recognize the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Holloway.l

Ho1loway:.'''Ah.. . . Mr. Speaker, I rise to ah... in opposition

' to this Bill, and I agree v.'iyh ah.... Ropresentative

. Cunningham and Representative Griesheimer, that there shoul

not be a price on justice. .In essence, this is a Revenue' bill. It's an effort by the ahw.'. Clerk of the Circuit '

Court of Cook County to limit the money expended for jurorsz.

) The iheory being that ah.... 'it would cut the fees paid to'

o t in cook county, whichjurors per day at least 5 percen .r

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'. is the largest ah... in the scate, is a city where the

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laygest concentration of poor people happens to be, ané It. j ', . . . ' .

. ' don't think that these people should have to pay an extra. . ' 1 . . '

' fifty' dollars for a twelve man jury. Now the idea that six' ' .. ' ' ' '

U man jurles will reduce the backlog of cases is a fallacy.,, ' : . ' . , .

. ' ' ' . ' ' 'In Cook County. weqfind that approximately 70 to 80t of

' ' jury cases are handled by .less than 100 lawyers, and theselawyers cannot try anymore cases than they are trying now,

whether the juries are six man or twelve man juries, so for' that reason, I oppose this and I solicit the Assembly to.

ldo likewise.'' ' '

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':.i Shea : nMr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Ilouse, I rise

to support this measure. In the last seven or eight yearsz '

there's been a substantial reduction in the number of jurylbacklogged cases in the Circuit Court of Cook County. In

. 1964, with the advent of 'the new judicial article: there wa .

a seven or eight year delay. That delay is now down to

. approximately four years. In fact, as of this morning, '' '

there are no mobe sixty-eight cases left on the court's

calendar and they're starting on the 69 cases. And this

. would, in my opinion, substantially reduce that delay and

help speed up the ah... disposition of those cases and if

we're talking about how that's going to affect poor people,

I think ites tragic that people that are without funds and'

are involved in injuries had to wait even the four years an

. l think this would help skAbstantially reduce that amount of

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ouffz'' ''Mr speaker'e I.m very happy to agree with the state- 'C . '

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d result. It will re/uce delayy it -purpose and a very goo

will save costs, it will help the little guy, it is a well: . .

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thought out 'step forward toward improving the judicial. ' ' : .

process. I hope we'll see plenty of <reen lights up thereo'

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K. Miller: ''A11 righty is there further discussion? Al1 right

the Chair recognizes the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leon, to

close the debate.''lt Leon: Rhlr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Hou e

Bill 39 is purely a permissive Bill. Many of you who were

' here last year, will recall, that I had a six man jury Bill

in and the opposition of the attorneys trying jury cases

was so severe, I was compelled to table it. This is strict y

a compromise. I believe that the experience khat will be ' '

' gained by the use of six man jurors will bring to us anopportunity ïo f urther amend this law so that al1 civil .

cases will be tried by six man jurors. Now when I get todownstate, there is not a county in the State of'lllinois

that charges fees for a jury. The only difference it will

make downstate is that a jury demand will be for a six man

. Jury and if anyone desires twelve, a1l they have to do is

make a request and theyfll have 12 men in their jury. I !

certaâuly will appreeiate the support of the Body in passin'

' this Bill. Thank you.'' . , .

K. Miller: ''The question is, shall House Bill 39 passz Those. . ' .. t .. .; . . ,

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' ' in favor, vote 'aye'. 'Those opposed 'nay'. The gentleman

from Will, Mr. Leinenweber,'to explain his vote'.pv '. ' . .' à'X ' '). . . ' .. '. .

Leinenweber: ''Mr. speaker, Members of the House. I would like

to be recorded as voting lpresent' on this Bill. ..And the

reason I would like to be so recorded is because I do not '

oppose this Bill in principle. I think if the oplaintiff

' and the defendent and litigation can agree to a siX man ',

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jury, that iS fine. They Should be Commended fOr doing

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sol However, ko sack a person for a hundred dollars for '

' exercising their rights ko a twelve man jury is in my

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opinion, oukrageôua'z.. Howevere insofar as this is a Revenue

bill, and Ehepspansér has indicated it applies only to

Cook County in the hundred dollar department, I#m going ko

. vote 'present.'' . ' .

K. Miller: ''Vote the genklenan 'present'. Have all voted who '1. ' .

wish? The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Katz: to explain his

vote . '' ' . ' '

Katzz ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlamen of tha Housn. I

' rise to explain my 'yesf vote on the bill. When this Bill

was introduced at the last session. by Representative Leon,

I opposed it last time, because it had a provision on it

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'that made a six man jûry mândatory unless b0th parties werein favor of a six man jury. It seemed to me that that was

unfair. khat tradikionally in the United States, we have

enjoyed twelve man juries. In Illinois at the the tirae of

our present constitution, we had a twelve man jury and lt

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seems to me khak a czkizen ought to be able to have one if

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' he wants one-' This Bill by Representative Leon does permit

the citizen'to' have a twelve man jury. At the same kime, it

kZXPS aCCUDDY Of One imPortant fYct. That if We Clog up

our court calendars with many small cases, we deprive people

with serious litigation of the opportunity to litigate excep

by Waiting three Or four Or five years. I think khis is a

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time, it does permit expeditious handling of small matters

through the use of six man juries. I think it is an

excellent Bill, that has the support of Defense Lawyersz

of Triàl Lawyers and of a1l People who believe that we must

Preserve the jur#'lsystem a: one of the most important

rights of a free and democratic societyo''

K. Miller: OThe Lady from Cooke Mrs. Geo-Karisw''

Geo-Karisz PThe Ladydfrom Lake, Mr. Speakerg''

K. Miller: ''I'm soryy, Lake.'f '

Geo-Karis: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,

I rtse to explain m)r vote of 'no' against the Bâl1. It see s

to me there are 100....'' '

K. Miller: ''Just a moment, please. The noise level is very

high. Will you please hold it down so we can hear what the

Lady is saying.''

Geo-Karis: ''There are l02 counties in the State of Illinois.

This Bill in essence is to help one major county. We love

tllat major couaty, but I think we, in the l0L o ther conntte. w

ik Representative . 'should be considered. I do feel l e,

cunningham, that we are throwing away our right to have a. . .. . ' ' ' ' '

proper jury trial. Therefore I rise to explain my vote '

of 'no' against this Bi11.'' ' .. . .. .. ' - i .

K. Miller: ''Have a11 voted who wished? Take the record. On '

this question, there are 99 'ayes', 37 'nays? and one

. I ' i d the constitutionalpresent

. . The Bill, having rece ve

Majority, is herebyN.declared passedz' Edr what purpose does

the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Maragos, arise?''

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Maragos; ''Mr. Speaker, having voted on the prevailing side,

I move that the counk by this measure be reconsidered.''

! K. Miller: ''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leono'' .

Leon: 'îLay it on the Table. Lay that Motion on the Tablee

please.'' '

K. Miller: ''The question is on the motion to table, al1 those

in favorz say 'aye'. Those opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have

it and the Motion prevails.''

P. B. Seleke: ''House Bill 40. Bill for an Act to amend the

Environmental Proteckkon Act. Third Readins of the Biàl.N

K. Miller: ''The gentleman from Macon, Mr. Borcherse''

Borchers: ''Mr. Chairman and fellow Members of the House. This

Bill is really very simple. Ik removes a power of the

'. EPA in the State of Illinois and the Pollution Control

Board to place any rules and regulakions on farmers whoraise grain. However, there was an amendment: whieh we

passed jusL the other day. whiah pues tne rules sabject 'coide' ' In othe

. whatever rules the Federal Government may prov .

words, Federal government rules will be the ultimate rule' of the Stake of Illinois. The EPA, the ah..-. Conkrol

Board cannot exceed those Federal Regulations. NoW this

may not seem too important to some of the people ih Chicago,

upstate, perhaps, but to us downstate, it is of-gital

lmporkance. I kant ko state at the outsete none of us hereare trying to destroy the power and the direction, the logi al

basic direction of flow of the EPA. We all recognize we

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' musk do something to better our air, our water, our land.

k We 're not f ichting that. Wel're f ighting those fringes

t', of rules that will increase khe cost of bread to peoplet $.

71 and this is exactly what it will do. I want to read to1 5 '# you from a WGN editorial, Eebruary 5, 1973. Just a couple': of the paragraphs. 'There is a growing tendency.... andk Mr. Speaker, I want the Legislature to listen to this, be-

cause it is importank, so will you just tap your gavel a

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K. Miller: I sure will Mr. Borchers. The noise level is qnit

high thf s morning. This is an importallt B11 l attd tthe

>t .gentleman is entitled to speak for his Bill. Proceed, Mr.

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Borehers: lNow, the WGN took this from the Iowa Farm Bureau

' Federation, so it does not exist just in our State. It is

/ .across the land. Now reading: There is a growing kendency

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for elected law-makers to pass laws giving broad powers to

requlatory agenciesp allawing them to prepare detaileù and

sometimes far-reaching rules governing b0th business and

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private ciEizens. Nowhere, are the affects of government

by regulation more evident than in agriculture. Regulation

have been adopted covering water pollution from farmsy

fertilizer used is questioned. Agriculture chemieals are

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olosely regulated and feed activities are scrutinized.

Occupational health and safety standards are being extended

to agriculture. The Parmers right to use his Property for

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the crops he may choose is questioned, as Part of tée new

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j 'ethic on land use and now regulations are prpposed to re-

quire farmers ko control the inevitable odors arising from

hog and cattle producticn.* I would like to add that this

will be up on another Bille and I just want to get it in

right now. It belongs to 4 Bill that weell hear in just a? .few minutes. The poink ks, there is a need to weigh more

carefully khe impact to regulations being written by food

pep/le who are insulated frop the ballot boxz and a1l too. . . . . . . : .

often, insulated fron expe/ience with the industry theyrtry '

to requlate. And if God only knows the truth, that is the

true stakement. When they come to the point, now at the

Committee hearing the other day, it was stated, I believe

by one of the Representatives of the EPA perhaps, Mrs. Leah

. herself, that they were now listening. Well, here in my

hand is the latest 'listening. Tomorrow, March l4. at the

' University of Illinois, is one of the hearings on the farm

' grain drkers requlations. I want to tell you folks from th

. city, that we .are on' the farm, weere not trying to dry a:

' million bushels like you may do in Chicago or one of the

qreat grain elevators, a farner is going nothing but drying

maybe five to ten thousand bushels on his own land. A

. ' tuer kouse, orquarter.of a mile perhaps âway from even ano

two miles away. But it varies. I want to tell you that

every one of you, most of you in this room, have àh...

' heat your houses with gas. The amount of gas used to heat

a grain dryer is far less than what you use in your own

house. Far less. It's only existed maybe a couple of week

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at the most in the fall and maybe into December. A eouple

of weeks, a'week. Seven days, eight days. Thatsxall. You

run yotlr gas f urnances f rom maybe late september until

April and even later. Why should the f armer be discriminat dè

against of the liktle bit of gas that he uses, organized.

harassed, made to get permits from a bureaucracy in Springf'eld

and you don't have to. You need us. You need what we're

trying Eo do and I'm not speaking just of grain dryers.

It amounts to al1 phases of farm activity which will come

in due time in other Bills. rut I solicit your supportup' iiving in partlyon passing this Bill. Your own cost of

dependent'turupon the freedom of the farmer to use his land:

as he best knows howo'' Q

K. Miller: >Is ther discussion? The gentleman from Cook, Mr.

Schneidere''

Schneider: ''DuPage.''

K. Miller: ''I'm n/rong al) the time this morning. I'm sorry.'f

Schneider: ''Youfre doing a good job. Thank you, Mr. Séeakere 'Menbers of the House. House Bill 40, along with a series

of other Billse that we will be considering, regarding

restrictions on the Pollution Control Board and the Environ

tal Protection Agencies are going to require a lot of 'J. men

anàlysis and I think much of our information and much of

' the comments that I made the other day regarding the amend-

ment are pertinent ak this point aà well as they were the

other day. When wegre talking about regulating farm land . .

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or growing or ackivîties on farm land, welre talking about '

things that do not necessarily relate to the property

welfare of the farmers. We#re talking about a series of

ideas that come close to dê'aling with the concepts of

whether or not we can control some of the neqative aspecks

of farming with pesticides and other ah.... things llke

nitrates. Now last week, we spoke in a specific way about

that. I talked a liktle bit about the fact that there are

public health agencies that will be affected by nitrates '

wbbah are ln the water. We're talking abaut a general

concept of' khether or not Federal Government should be

involved in the areas over and above the States interest

and involvement. Welre considering whether or not the

appeal aspects of any of the ah.... probiems that farmers

face as they are confronted with these ah.... requirements

are seriously impeded, and I think in al1 those case, what .

. we have to look at, is the fact that we do ourselves agains

' a disser/ice. ''We are assuming that as a legislaturee we ca', define specifically what is indeed good for the farmer from

' . ! ' 'the Ilrinois Ho'use. Weere saying for example, that if we

take away the autiority of @he EPA to make regulations on

pesticides, then 'the House and the Senate are going to have

to àit down and determine whak percent of aho-.'pesticide

control can be employed in Illinois/rather than letting ..technicians and technologists, who are trained in that area,

to make a deeision that'is not a blanket decision. The

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EPA is concerned about making applications that are ah.... '

established in areas where they can function and work.

Not about the whole state of Illinois. And I think we

ought to give that a serious consideration. When Webber

talks about a bureaucracy from Illinois, he wants for the

convenience of the Bill, to apparently overlook the

bureaucracy of the Federal government. I don't know how

he can support a Bill like this. If we are really serious '

. about striking a balance between the welfare of the farmer

and regulating effectively, efficiently, sincerely and

honestly the pzonlems of the enviromilent, then 1 think .

that welve got to allow that to occur through an agency

khat we establish. There is no way that I can draft a

Bill which is going to regulate... determine pesticides.

Ites like for me saying you... to al1 of you that you sup-

' port a bill on noise pollution if it is higher than 80

decimals on the A scale if it comes from a lawn mower. I' don.t think we can do that. so I think you ought to take

. a good zlpok at the Bill. I appreciate Webberes position .. . ! .

a;d his disgruntlement, but I think we ought to take an .

. ''. opportunity at this time to realize that the EPA serves .

' the whol: state' and that we cannot blanket the State of

Illinois with regulations that are instituted from the c. h

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. y o ose theHouse of Representatives or from the Senatçe so pp

' Bill as I did in the past. Thank you.'l

K. Miller: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Schlickman.l. ' :

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Schlickman: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. As House

Bill 40 was introducedy it provided that the State could

not regulake farming operations relating to the growing and

roduction of grain crop . As amended , the Bill providesP .

. that the Stake can regulate, but that the regulations can

be no more stringent than those regulations adopted by the

Federal Government. This kind of law, in my opinion, would

establish a very, very bad precedent. What it saysz Mr. '

Speaker, Members of the House, is that a State can do no

better, can do no more than the Pederal government, when

there is concurrent jurisdiction. The beauty of our Federa

system is that the State has been able to experimeni on a

Stéte by State basis. And that those States that have not

experimented can gain from the benefit of those who have

' and that the Federal government, without engaging in a

exper imentation that would be nation-wide can gain benefit

. from t7ne Fndividual exrerlrentatiou among the individual

' state. If this precedent becomes establishedy we will find

that the regulation wikhin the environlental field '.'is goin

to be actually controlled by *he Federal government and tha

the' states will have no opportunlty to partlclpate ahd to

do what's good for an indivldual state. I therefore, Mr. '

speaker, Members of the House, respectfully suggest that

' House Bill 40, as amended, should be defeated.'' .

K. Miller: ''The gentleman from Frankliny Mr. Hart.''

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Hart: l'Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and

Gentlemen of the House, the trouble with the Environmental

Protection Act that we passed here a couple of years ago,

was that ah... not enough attention was given to some of

the provisions of it and iy went too far in many plaees and' I commend Representative Borchers for the amendment. I

' think absolute prohibitions or absolute exempti6ns, probabl. ' , . ; ) . 4

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bokh, go too far. Buk ah.... if you went into and tried 'J 1 ' 3 '. . . '' ' .

' to find out.... if you had a feed lot if you're a farmer ' J,

and you went in and trïed to find out what can I do to 'j '

qcomply ,with the law, you couldn't get any answers. They' 'just said you got to quit doing what youfre doing. but they

't ive you any alternatives and no faymer, no beef 'don g

grower with any degree of certainty make provisions, make

expensesy whieh would comply with the Aet. So itês definit ly

k';Ju true that the Federal government now is backing away from '

some of its requirements or proposed requirements with re- '

gard to beef c attle : and I think tha State should do the ' '

same thing and take' h better look at this. After allv if '

' khere's a whole lot more monev qoinq to be involved in theh ' . ' ' '

k b' f the end result is qoing to be that ' '. qrowzng of the ee . ,, .

it's qoing to cost more money when it gets into the grocery '. #

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' # . 'a great demand for reducing beef prices. There s even

demands for meatless Tuesdays and meatless Thursdays and

that sort of thing. And I encourage it. I think that's !

the way the people ought to go fight back. I would encoura e

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not only a meatless Thursday, but a taxless Tuesday. l

think we ' ought to have that too. But I think Repre-

sentative Borchers has got a good Bill here. I think its

a workable plan. There ought to be some uniformity which

will be provided by the Federal Act and ceriainly the

Illinois Environmental Protection Agency can live with this

and so can the people of the State of Illinois and I urge '

the support of this Bi11.''

K. Miller: ''The gentleman from Will, Mr. Leinenweber.'' .

Leinenweber: ''Mr. Speakerz Members of the House. I sat in on

the hearings as a Member ok the Agricultural and Natural'

Committee, when a11 of these Bills were heard. I said at 'lthe time, and I would urge the House right now, that these

Bills put the cart before the horse. Represe'ntative

Borchers has another Bill, Bill Numher 170, House Bill 170,

. whieh proposes to create the Environmental Proteetion

Agency Legislative Study Commission. I think we are pro-

ceeding today to emasculate the EPA without sufficient stud

and considerakion. I raised that poink in Commiktee. kThe

answer was Ehere is no study needed of this problem. That

is not good enough for me. There was evidence submittedt ' .

' thak there are pollution problems with grain farming. I

don't know personally whether or not this is true or not.

I sav it needs study. I suggest that many of you don't

know this. I would say this, that I will support the Study

Commission, but I oppose this wholesale emasculation of the

Envfronmental Protection Act and therefore requeststhat

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the House of Representatives vote eno' on this Bill.''

K. Miller: ''The gentleman from Maccoupin, Mr. Boyle./ .

Boyle: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wonder if Representative

Borchers would yield to a.iuestion?''K. Miller: ''He indicates he would. Proceed.''

Boyle: ''Representative Borchers, I wonder if you would tell us

what position, if any, the Illinois Agricultural Associatio

and Farm Buraau has with respect to your Bil1?''

Borchers: ''I have no idea what the Agricultural Associatione...

I think I can state that the Membars of the Farm Bureau ,

of which I'm a Member, are for ito'' .

Boylez ''Wel1# 1et me say this, Representative Borchers, thatl ;

I have talked to Members of the rarm Bureau and I've talked

to representatives of the Farm Bureau and they have ad/ised

. me that they will not support your Bill.l'

Borchers: lWith Amendments?'' ..

Boyle: f'That is correct. Now, I helped you to support this

' legislation when it was before the'Agricultural Committee,

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. but I understand that subsequent thereto, regulations...

' proposed requlations have been ah... Mr. Speaker, can We

have a little order in the House? ' It's my understanding

that subsequent to the time that these bills were reported

out of the Agricultural and Conservation Committeey that

' proposed regulations have been made by the Environmental

Protection Agency, 'and that these regulations are now in

conforlance with the thinking of the Parm Bureau and the

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' Borchersz ''Mrt Speaker, am I to answer that since, I beiieve .

I was asked. They haven't told me anything about that .

position: and I would likq them to inform me and 1ek me 'talk to them about it, beeause I believe I'm as close to

Agriculture as khey are. And I have no knowledge'of any .

farming ailment anywhere in my area, as fa/ as that's con- L .

cerned, the letters I've received are all for that Bill. ' '.,

I suggest that these gentlemen, if this is so, that they' heck their own constituents and f ind out how they f eel 'c

about this. They may not khow what the people are thinkin

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Boyler ''Well, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to address myself ko the

Bill. I have.... originally, I supporEed Representative

Borchers on these Bills. Now I think we have given the .' ' y' Environmental Protection Agency the message, and I think '

they#ve heard the message. And T belleve they have change

their regulations to respect to grain farmers. I don't be ' .

' lieve there's any member of this House that has anymore .

farmers in his district than I do, and I think now, that

we've reached the point where we are going too far. I

think that administratively, they have corrected the.

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problem, and if we pass these bills to exempt agriculture

from the provision of the Act, we're setting a bad prece-

dence in this House. Nextrtimey thet-.steel Industry is

liable to be in here asking to be exempted. And weere

; going to have more exceptions than the rule. I think this

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i b d bill I think that the problem has been 's now a a .

. corrected. I will be glad to follow the leadership and

the Farm Bureau on this Bill, and I'm going io oppose

. the same, and I'd urge thè other downstate rural members

to do the same-'i .

K. Miller: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Capuzi.o ' .v, ' ,ç ' .

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Capuzi: Mr. Speaker, I move the previous queskion. .

K Miller: ''The previous question has been moved. Al1 those'' l e v I . l

,j. k '' . in favor, say aye . opposed nay . The ayes have

and tlae Motio'l is cara'ied . ThE' Cha ir wi 11 recognize the

. gentleman from Macon, Mr. Borchers, to dlose the debate.''

Borchers: ''It has been said that the Regulations have been

fairly carried out and that they have no intentions of

adding unnecessary rules and regulations that would con-

trol the farmers. Well, perhaps this is what they say

at the moment. 'Perhaps they have come to agreement and' think che rukes they are proposing will no longer hurt

the farmer of the State of Illinois. But I don't want to

take their word fop it. The records I have of the count-

D less injustices to induskry, landfills, farmers, grain .

...' elevators, municipalities, sanitary districts as such, tha .

I dof'.not trust their reasonableness, even unde: a new

. Director. There are tco many individuals connected with

this orèanization, who are too easily carried far afield.

I might point out to you that the only reason they begin '

to back upy was the meetings in relation to feed lots.

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When the farmers for the firsk time and feed 1ot raisers,

first time'became aware of the dangers inherited in this

dictorial, arragank agency, they turned down I understand

3500 of them in ah.... Jacksonville. They also had a grea.

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(j ' .turnout in Carbondale an other areas of khe State . Befor .

this time: nobody realized the direction in which these

peopie were going. I think we have to fight it out right .

now and put some limltations. 1, for one, don't want....I personally don't care to ha#e people in ou'r State, say '

that we are leaders, weere the leaders of the United State #lt . ' . .

a1l following us. 'If wedre leaders in wrongy and exces-1. ) .sive power: that is no honor: that we should consider. '

I donet consider this an honorable thing khat we should. . - ê

. . be the leaders in khis particular agency of government.

There are too manv asr'ects of this that fall short of what

' we should truly be considering and that is liberty and rig t .

of the People themselves. I can kell you right now that .

' people ire not for what they#re doing. They are for only' 'the basic thingso' They are not for the fringe, such as

,. the proposed rules, whlch they may now discard. but imagin

h1s ' ou people, who may' be from chicago, and this cant , y. . f ' . J . . N . .

be easily Lnderstood by people downstate and peopie in the

' farming industry, when they were seriously proposing rule '

. that if youlre plowing and the dust is blowing across the

roaa, you either have to stop pzowkng or so into another

part of the road, Ah.... part of the field. This is the

extreme to which thèse 'people were thinking, until I'm< - ' .

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positive that they have changed their tactics, I don't

think we should take a risk. We have another crop coming

up right nowy soon to be into the ground. Wedre... you#re

talking àbout a legislative commissione which that Bill

. will come up shortly. I want to point out to you that the5 . .' report of this Legislative Commission won't even be until

next January, the beMinnin; Of a neW Crop Yearl' Weeve got

to protect them now. These people had to start to slowly.:

' For al1 of what they say, I want to remind you again that

tomorrow, the University of Illinois will have a hearing '. . J

on grain driers. Who knows what will come out of that.

I don't know. But I do know that I don't want to have to. . J

have to gek permits on our farms. a permit from the State

and harrassment of State inspectors on the grain driers.

. Maybe they're not going to do that now, but I have no

'V assurances of this. I want to make certain of it. And Ithink every farmer in the State will want ko be cerkain '

.. ' ' ' also. Well, T hope you people who understand our problem

and realize what khis can do to the bread baskets. to the' :

st of living will vote for this Bill and vote 'aye%o'' '' '. . co z

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pass? All those in favor, vote 'aye', opposed 'nay'.''

The gentleman from Henderson, Mr. Neff.''

Neff: ''Thank you: Mr. Speaker, in explaining my vote, I'd lik

like to say that I think that some of the questions that

have been made here is rather ridiculous, that were des-

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I think taking away some of the controls as this series

i of Bills do, ah.... are certainly going to help khe farmer!

:' And we must remember here in Illinois that Illinois is.

-)an agricultural state, the most important state in the

Nation. Wefre the leader in beans, soy beans and corn in

the Nation. And ah... we must realize that welre affected

more by ah....' more by the ah. . .. ah.... agriculture than

many of us might think, because agriculturaly farm equip-

ment, etcw Illinois is one of the greatest producers.

The biggest producers of agricultural equipment. Now thes

billse if they were allowed to continue, without any

restrictions on them, and some of the things EPA is talkin .

about, it would reduce a yield in corn, for example, to .

approximately 50 bushels to acre. This year the average

in Illinois corn was l18 bushels. So you can see what tha

will do, and we better keep in mind that the farmer can

go backdoor farming; he knows how. And there would be

' no problem going back to it, .except when he does this and

starts raising so.bushels ko acre of corn, that means we' '

gshould stop and think that they re 50 million people in. *

. the xation that kre qoing to suffer from that. They'ref d Also on ah.... this 'not going to be able to get oo . ,. . .

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11 of us areaziàe what the cost of food isNowy ah... a

today, and us folks who live in the cities, in the big .

cities, should stop and think about the consumer. If thes '

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are allowed to go on, as the present law allows them, meat

prices: for example, and I know you think itls high now,

you're going to see meat prices double, because there is .

g6ing to be no way, when.iou put the price of this beef, ''that's fed to the li/estock, up to where ft will be, then

there is nothing else, we either wondt.be able to buy the . '.

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' - meat ak all, pr going to pay double price for it. So '

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' Webber Borchers' Bil1s.'' ,

K. Miller : ''The gentleman f rom Cool:y Mr . Mann . '' '

Mann: ''We11, Mr. Speaker and Members of.the House, lek's not '

kid ourselves, let's recognize that this is the first bill '

' of a series of bills designed to kill the strongest .

' ' Envâronmental Protection Agency in the United States. Let s

. not kid ourselves about the fact that farmers ihould not r

be exempt from their responsibilities to the environment

'and their responsibilities to the consùmers of the State.lö

. ' . ' ' k' V Illinois. Earmers are the recipients of large amounts of

,. qrants, both Eederal and state money. . They should not .

', .be encouraqed Eo use those monies to poison our'wakers.' . ' t . . . . . ''''' .!

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. : ' . ' ' '' ' poison our.food and poison our total environmehta And Mr.

I ' . x t sosphate .:Speaker, Membersiof the Houseg we all know, t a p. ' , 1. . . ;. > ; . . ' .

.. .: . .' are used 'in tremendous abundance in fertilizers across the

state of Illinoise' We a1l know that phosphates are a

dangerous substance to the environment and to the healkh

and well-being of the citizens of the Stake of Illïnofs.

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We have in Mary Lee Lahey, one of the outstanding conser-

vationist's in Ehe State of Illinois. We have in our

Environmental Protection law, one of the outstanding laws

in the country. And I think we al1 ought to face up to

one fact. If either party is responsible for crippling '

the Environmental Protection Agency, than we might as well

. ' kiss our environmenk gcod-bye here in the State of Illinèi ....,

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. ' Our scenic rivers are poisoned from phosphates and other . '

, fertilizers and other farm ah.... nutrients. ' And this '' ' affects. not onlv our drinkinc water, but the entire use '; ' ''*

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face it, we have flood problemsk .Floods pour over into .. ? . 1

. our waters. They pour over into Lake Michigan. I do not

, want to 'see our environment poisôned. I do not want to .

: see Illin6is, retreat to the stone age inkthis age of

' . environmental protecEion. We have a responsibility to ,

' the consumets-lvke'hàve a responsibility to see that their L ':.

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. food isn't poispned, there environment isn't poisoned, and ... , . . . . k .

their total environment is protected. Mr. Speaker and ?

. Members of the Houée. I want to remind you that last ,' ',. . .

. session, when the Senate was considering this particular. I . .

' Bill, there were large outcries from the. other side of the '

aisle, of sell-out, amending the Environmental Protection '

. Agency to death. Now that there's a change of administra- .

tion, suddenly we find tie other side of the aisle, going. ' . ' . ' ' .after the Environmental Protection Agency with an axeo''

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K. Miller: ''Will the gentleman bring his remarks to a close?''

Mann: ''Yes I Will, Mr. Speaker. This is a bad bill, itês a

dangerous bill. I respect the Sponsores sinceretyg but

it is a bill we ought to kill and we ought to kill every-h; .

one like it, and I ask you to vote no.'' '

K. Miller: ''The Lady from Cook, kr. Catania.''

Catania: ''Mr. Speaker/ realizing Illinois is a foremost

agricultural State, and realizing also that the cost to th

consumer increases everytime the cost of the farmer in-

. creases, ah... as I was brutally reminded yesterday after-

noon as I did my grocery shopping: I nevertheless feel tha

' we must put a vote of confidence in the new Director of

the Environmental Protection Agency, Mary Lee Lahey. I

opposed this Bill and the related Bills in the Agricultura

and Natural Resources Committee. I do feel as ,l said in

that Committee that we must remind the Environmental

Protection Agency and the Illinois Pollution Control .

Board that they should procèed with common sense and in-

telligence. I think that Mrs. Lahey has indicated here ' .

' determination to ùroceed with common sense and intelligenc 'and I would like to reinforce her in that position. I

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' . would like to give her a 'vote of confidence, and that is

' why I'm opposing these bills.''

K. Miller: ''The gentleman from Macoupin, Mr. Boyleo'' '

Boyle: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In explaining my vote, I

believe that we have Miven the Environmental Protection

Agency the message. I would hope that, Webber, you would

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not get 89 votes up there. You could take your Bill out

of the record, or hold it on pcstponed consideration. Now

they've come out with khese new Rules and Regûlations. If

they don'k implement them, the newspapers say we're çaing

to be in session until Christmas. You can keep your Bill

on postponed consideration and 1.11 tell yo'u right here .

'. and now, if Ehey don't implement these rules that they '

proposed and promised, I for one will support ypur Bille

but I believe we owe it to them to give them a chance

' to clean up their own mess. I believe they've tried to

correct kheir own mess, and at this timee I'm going to ,

vote 'no' but I would hope that your Bills would stay '#

alive . D ' . '

K. Miller: ''The gentleman from Know, Mr. McMaster.''

McMaster: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, .

I think khat it's time that we simmer down a little b1t '

in reîard to these Bi1lS. There have been a numher of '. l . . , . . .

wild statements made that we are emasculating the Ephvand '. . . . .. . . ( .k

the PCB. We are not doing this. I tiink aho.z .the EPA ,. l . . . ' i ,* . . '

'and PCB have not come out with any rules and regulations ' .'. p . . ' .. l ' .

at this point. , They have come out with threats that they, . '

y s ,y yuyuu .' intend to impose definite rules and regulat on .. . i. . ' .

that it ip time that we, as the state, sit back and re- '

lax a little' bit and recognize the fact that Federal rules

are qoinq to be published. We can put the State of Illino's. . . . 6 '

in a very awkward position if we have rules on our books

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an unfair place as far as competition with neighboring

states on agricultural products is concerned. We are stil

' the largest producer of agriculture products in the whole

country. I think it is tiNe that we recognize this. Ihappen to be a farmer myself, and whether the IAA does or '

' J . .does not éuppork this legislation, I certainly know what

I and what' other farmers feel. I think that these bills

. are necessary. We are nOt attacking the EPA . I think the

ah.... feeling against the programs they have mentioned

have been generated over a period of years. pot by the '

Current administration. And I certainly recognize the fac

that Mrs. Lahey ''as Director of the EPA, did a very good .

. jOb Of testifying in Committee and she was'in a very

awkward posi.tion. Ladies and Gentlemen, I think these are

good Bills, I think they're necessary for agriculture in

the State of Illinois, and puts us on the record of having

some rules and regulations in ef fec 8: e ratheqc thall ht.vin'g

none, and I certainly feel that something must be done as .

far as regulations on al1 farming industries. I think tha .

ah.... the farmerg as an individual, is interested in

keeping our environment good as anyone, and I certainly ' ,'

. ' ' . . v.' urge your support.'' . '

K. killer: ''The gentleman from Macon, Mr. Alsupe is recognized.''

Alsup: #'Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemèn of the House. I've

had some experience in conservation ahd have been very

. interested. .But Ifl1 tell you what we#re doing, and I hope

Mrs. Lahey is smart enoughy that if we do or do not pass

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this Bill, she adopt or the Board adopt the identical

regulations that the Fede/al government will. If they do '

not, now I hope a1l of you have considered this. The '

farmer is not a lawyer, he's not an accountante and he's'j '. going to have to keep up 'with two sets of rules and regu-

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lations and probably the stronger one is the one that woul$ .

k . ' . 'apply. It would cause an immense amount of confusion, so .q

lett:the farmers farm, 1et the Federal government put into ' ' '

the EPA a tremendous amount of research ahd we can merely

adopt whatever they adopt. And that's a1l that this Bill

says. And I think it would relieve we People here in

Illinois, the farmers, and everyone concerned this tre-' . .

mendous confusion that might arise in two separate standar s

. and then you don't know whether the State law applies or '.

the Federal law applies and you have to assume that the :

. Federal laws supercedes the State law and it would be a

genuine mess, so I can see no harm in this Bill at all.

If it's passed as amended, 'either from the viewpoink of tho e

Who are upâight about pollution or the farmer, because the

, farmer is going io have to comply with the Eederal rules , .

and regulations anyway, so in light of reasonableness, 1' .'

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hope you do vote for this. Thank you. ' ..

K. Miller: 'lThe gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Hunsicker.'' ' ,

Hunsicker: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Housee

I-rise to explain my 'yes' vote on this. I come from a. . . . ' '

. . . t .rural area, and I know one thing, if you impose two stringe t .

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rules and regulations on the People who produce the food

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in this country, meat and what have you, that youdre going

to drive them ouk of business. Theyfve got to have a

. profit of what they do, the same as a businessman in town

or anywhere else. And if you think that meat is high now,

you put some of these rules in effect that these series of

Bills is going to entail, you ainft seen nothing yet. And

you better vote for the Bill.î'

X. Miller: ''The gentleman from Vermilion, Mr. Craig-''

Craigz 1'Mr. Speaker. and Members of the House. I want to ris

and expm-ain my eote on this Bi11 too. I have had a lot

of complaints from the people in my areas about the EPA.

Now I have no complaints about the EPA as far as regulatin

but when they go into the legislative field in legislating

that's when I fall out with the EPA. And I've been to

several meetings and have heard nothing but complaints fro

the People that I repbesent and it rather disturbs me that

when I get criticized for something that I didn't do or

this General Assembly didn't parkake in doing. That q

particular agency throughltheir rules and regulations de-

cide that this is what should be done. And I was to a

meeting in Decatur,>lllihois last fall, where the elevator

of the State of Illinois had quite a meetingz and they wer

oing to be closed down, a 1ot of them, if the' EPA went., tuss state hadahead

. It got so bad that the Governor o

to step in and ho'ld tiem off until after harvest season.one elevator in particular'that I happened to know about

' the EPA came out and wanted them to get in a1l this added

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equipment. This man went and found out what the qquipment

would cost and it would cost in the way of a hundred

thousand dollars. He called the EPA back and said now

if I buy this equipment, will I be in compliance? Do vouI - '''

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know what the man said? He said I don't know. You may

not be. Now this is why Ifm voting for this Bill. I'm

gekting tired of the EPA legislating things that I think

this General Assembly should be doing. If they have pro-

posals that they think should be passed and become a law,

I think they should come betoze this general assembly and

ask them Eo pass ....'' . .

K. Miller: ''Wi11 you bring your remarks to a close?'' '

Craig: ''the legislation that affects the Pepple of this

State . '' '

K. Miller: ''Wi11 you bring your remarks to a close, please,

Mr Craig?''

Craig: ''And that is why I want this Bill to pass is because

I feel that we should be the ones to say whether something

should be done if wedre going to be criticiéed, nok sone

bureacracy or agency set aside. Thank youo''

K. Miller: ''The gentleman from Wayne, Mr. Blades, is recog- '. . d

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Blades: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentiemen of the House, I

wish to explain my vote. These Bills had a good hearing'''''

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in'the committee and were voted ou: of the comiittee vith

a do pass recommendatibn. It was presented in the Committ e

that the farmers do not feel tha t ' ':;Jk' 'z' ' . .

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are necessary. A former speaker here, in explaining his

votey would have you believe that the farmers are pollutin

all the waters in the State of Illinois ànd that simplyl

is not true. It hasn't been proven. The pollution is

nothing compared to some of the polluiion that the munici-

palities and the cities are doing. So there has been no

sufficient proof that ah.... the farmers are polluting the .

' streams in the State of Illinois. Now we a11 know that

' föod costs are high. A1l you have to do is go to the '

supermarket to find that out. We've spent the last forty

years developing scientific ways in which the farmer could

develop the quantiEy and the quality of the product which

he's putting on the market. Today w'e find he isn't able

to put enough. Now; with some regulationse are we goingto handstring that farmer to where he can't produce? I

submit to you that the Federal regulations are sufficient.

And wa have State regnlations .4.n the rast thE.t ah... have

been far more stringent upon the farmers and other forps

of business than the Federal regulations are. And I just

think Ehis is no reflection whatever on the present ah.... '

Director of the Environmental Protection Agency. Unfortu- '

nately, she's the whipping boy or the former Director was

the whipping boy for the Pollution Control Board. They are

the ones that are going out and setting these stringent

regulations without looking into the matter to see whekher

theyere necessary or not, and I suggest that you support

this Bi1l.''..e--: >. 'A. * N .

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K. Miller: l'The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Gettye to explain

his vote.''

Getty: OMr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I

rise to explain my opposition to this Bill. I voted again t

almost a1l of Mr. Borchers Bills in Committee, and I state

here the reason for which I voted against them. We have

been asked today vote for a Bill, which if we passed itz

would make ridiculous the Study Commission Bill, which he

has introduced. If there is a need to review the actions

of the Pollution Control Board and the Environmental

Protection Agency, the distinguished Representative from

Lincoln, has a Bill that would permit us to vote to create

a Commission or Committee to do that. To pass legislation

now which would affect the Environmental Protection Act,

or the Pollution Control Bo'a'rd, is incongruous with that

Bill. I also point out that the Farm Bureau has not sup- '

. ported this and administrative regulations indicate that

there has been a change to accommodate the farmer. For al

these reasons, I certainly ask those members which havenlt

voked yek: to give a 'nay' vote to this Bil1.''

iller: I'The gentleman from Lawrence, Mr. Cunningham.''Zo Z

cunningham: ''Mr.' speaker and Members of the Housee notwith-'

distingukàhed predecessor on this question,standing my.

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this is too good a bill, too 'needed of a bill, to receive

the fate that is presently indicated. Someone has said

Mrs. Lahey is not the issue here. None thinks more highly

of her than I , but we need to give her some guidelines

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and that's what this Bill does. We make her difficult . '

task a great deal easier. Now it's flustrating to observe

at this Board, that this is not a partisan issue. This

is that kraditional battle between khe big cit: slickers

and downstate, and I want to say in friendship to those .

that I have described as the big city slickers, it's time. ( '

' ' for you to think of khis Bill as though it were a Bill ' :.

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to take the Motor Fuel Tax and spend it for CTA in Chicag '

' or if it were a Bill to confiscate our guns or if it were

a Bill to take a way the rights of reparian owners on our

rivers. It's time for you to realize that together, in

cooperation, we can move forward in the best interests of

the entire State and give us this Bill. It doesnêt ruin ''

' 'the EPA. It sets the guidelines that are needed. If you

will extend the hand, why it will be returned to you many '

fold. We need more green lights to pass.''

K. Md.ller: ''The gentleman from Christian. Mr. Tipsword.''

Tipsword: ''Mr. Speake<, Ladies and Gentlemen, I rise to ex-% . '. . . .

. . ' ' . k. plain my 'yes' vote on this Bill. You've heard all of the

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'. various abguments azready .in regard to how food prices will' . r' . JD ' . '. . .'' ' l . ' : '

. . 'go up and they continue to enforce the EPA regulations tha . .. ' . a .. $ . , . ' ' . : , ' . . ..

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thev ha've ln'.the p'ast. And 1'11 not review those again.' ' I would also like'to commend the present director on the

' has taken upon khe livestock regulation, not tha. àction she' she has destroyed them, but she said there has to be more

study. They've been delayed for a year. But our experienc

has been very bade with the Environmental Protection Agency.

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We had some important bills here before this legislature

two or three years ago, in which we found the necessity,

although we were unable 6o pass the Bills, of preventing

corporate farming in the State of Illinôis, where the larg

corporakions come in and denude the land. Regrettably,

if the actions of the EPA in-the pask are continued: small

family farms are going to be a thing of the past, because

they will nollonger be able to....''

K. Miller: ''Jusk a minute, Mr. Tipsword, pleasey let's get

you some attention in here. The gentleman bas something

to say, please listen.''

Tipsword: ''The sm#ll family farm Will no longer be able to

compete economically if they proceed as they have in the

past. And they're going to be right for the large corpo-

rations who come in and truly denude the land, who are

only interested in the immediate and quick prôfit and do

klot cara what hapyens f or 'the f utu.k e . Falqaers have tra -

ditionally been conversationists and they are very. . , . j,

' ù further pollution of the soilinterested that there not e

and of the water. And regrettably, the past practices

of the.EPA have indicated that they just simply going to

take them out 6f business. Representative Craig mentioned

the èlevator situation. Not only did the EPA during the

past year, provide very stringent regulations for the

elevators, so that they threatened to go out of business,

they wouldn't even listen to elevator operators and grain

dealers to find out what the practical solutions were.

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Finally, they did meet with them, and they sued them and

j . .. sazd wefre not going to proceed. We going to give youI

more time and they backed away. As soon as the elevatiroperators really sorted of disbanded and no longer were '

meeting togekher and no longer a viable force, they moved .

b k 'n oh the one elevakor that was their example im- ' .ac i #

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. ','. . xtmedzately moved in and slapped a fine well over a hundred s

.: . . . . , . ) r '. . . C' I . . . . - . . . . 7 1: . . . -''' thousand dollars upon this elevator for a dust pollution .' . . . . , . .. . . '

',' . problem they had had. Instead of trying to 'cure khe , '

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, problems, they re trying to kill the prcblems, and un- , :! ' . 1.

, ;.' Yortunately, in the process. we mav wind up, a1l of us, . '. .

. . , . . , , . .. . . :.. wtthouk anythzng to eat. . . . . . ' ;. ,. ' ' '. . 1 ' ' *

K. Miller: pHave al1 vote'd who wished? The gentleman from '.' '

. j , ' . , ' . . . ' ' ' j '. 2 ' ' ' ., Maconz.Mr. Borchers, to explain his vote.l' . .'.' . . . ' . h '

Borchers: ''Mr Speaker and fellow members of the House.' I ' ..

. .. realize that it looks bad for this Bill, althouqh a tre- ,,.

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'..',..1 state . :' I would . like to ref ute the idea. that we, ' anv of ' ' '. û' :

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56I would like to point out to you that the increasedo... .

. rules and regulations that have been proposeze and there i

no certalnty that they will not be imposed on us# could

Well put our own farmers ins.our State out of busfness in

relation to the cost of operation of other states. That

is why it is necessary to take a national guidèline. You. . . .. w . v. . :

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'' . ' can hurt hs severely. ' It has been said by 'someone about f.. . . i.

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. 'the phosphate. .1 want to remind you that just the okher .

' . ' ' 'day or so, the Courts held that the phosphates did not..

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. . poison and were not'a poisoness material that came off

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.the farms.. Now/ lfd like to'point out, sefore I close: . .

. one other thing. ..Mrs. Lahey is not being attacked. Youfr

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al1 going 'on thesassumption that she can do this or that. ,., . , . f . l .

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' 'She cannot.... the Environmental Proteckion Agency is not '

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' ' the unit that makes and rules and regulations. It's the '

' . ' J',.pollution'control Board, the same people we re having

. '.,c .:... .w k z.e kvst:h azz azokg. ' 'Mr' s . Lahey 'has to .f oà low' their, .' '

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.i l't',obey ' the , rules . . by ' law, of the Pollutiùn Control Board. '. '.... '.

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vote aye on this Bil1. . ;,c'' ., . . .ze' . A . . . . . ' s

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K. Miller: ''Have a1l voted who wished? 'The Clerk will please ' '

1 take the recordo's The gentleman from Macony Mr. Borchers.'' ' '(l . . '2 Borchers: ''I rise for the purpose of requesting this Bill be

Put on postponed considerqtion-'' ' '' '. 1 . . *. . ' . . j

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K. Miller: Does the gentleman have leave? Bill is placed

on postponed considerakion. Call the next Bill, Mr. Clerk ''. ; . . : .: .

F . B . , Selcke i . ''House Bill 41 . M Act to amend Section 10 ôf D:' ' 'n.'.. .'.. 2 .. . . t ' ' s . . ' i . .J' '. t , . a . . . . . .* . . ? ; jt .f. . . . ' . . ' . . . . . T ' . ' .. 6 ' ' .f '' ' +. ' k

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. . . 'j .K. Miller: NThe gentleman from Macon, Mr. Borchers, is recog- '''

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nized on House'Bill 41. . . . . . t. . . : . . ' .( '

' Borchers: ''Mr. Speaker, fellow Members of,the House. You hav ' '. ' .f ' ' . #

already heard mentioned one of the matters conc' erning one ' '. . . ., . . . r , '. t i ' ; J ' . ' ' '

of the grain elevatorsywl believe by Representative Craig. . '..

. I was going to bring that up, but I will not touch on it . .

. further. .1 would like to read to.'-you, a bit concerning ., : . . ' . ' * .

' ' . *he ccst of one grain elevator, and their entimates. T 'i p ' 1 ' 2 t ' ' z

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. ' -:$ ' ': '.assure you that if thé Rules . and Regulations that the ' . '.

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r .'t,'lkt.l'pollution control Board is considering f or the èlevators ' ... .' ;'' ; ) < . . . . . . . . ' ; . . .' 1. . ' ' . ' ; .'. . ' j '' tjt. h ( 1, ,j t :* j .. x , : ' ! ; . . . . . . E.. . . . . . v rr . 's(. ,., 'j;. 1. ' ; . z k .: s. . j''z k ' Ltf .. , . . t ' . ie 'tj $1 j. . 1. .2 v .? . . ' .:.. k . . '. '' ' . y , Q . jz 1. v .a' z J - - . . . '?' . ,!j '- ' ' :' i. ,J .. ...3 7 -. $. k' . % * .' . ''' .>.. ' . 7' : ' J 4 * . l r . ' ' . . . . . . .1 . . . . ' ' .'' .E . . iy .k. ( ! . ! .g . . . l a .

. '.,.J . df'the State of/lllinois are enforced, ke will lose half

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' û ... - , .( (a . t ,t . . .:i. . , . , ? . >f J llinois .i ''Now some ' '. .-. of the qrain elevator. s in the State o I ..

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' 'ls '''of .you in 'chicàgo may' seem to 'Ehink . that this is' not im- . , ''. + . ; . . .! . . . : . ) t v , . : $ jy .. . : ! lj . e e - ..: . . . 'a wl y'x ' ' . . . . . ' . ' . . ' J J ' . 1 .. . . ' ' . . ' i x i( .' l i.'.. y ' . ' /' % . . t . . ' ' ç' 1 ' . '' ' . . . . .

.' 7 . . 3 ' ' . ,' ' ' E ' : ! ''z ' e 4 i L ' ' l x . ' . '' 'portant',qconsidering your last vote, but it is very im- - t.. . .

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' tant-- It's 'our' heart's blood that-ls being affected by *'.'.Por . .. p .. , , .' . . I .. . 1. A

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these rules and regulations.z'Whether you care to accept . .. . . ( . . . ' . . .'

. . . . . . . . . . i . ' . ' , ' 1 r .. 7 1 ' . '' it/s ,your b/ead basket that's beinq affecte .:'it now or not,

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' b these Rules an'd Regutationsk zllinois is one of the ' ''.y .+ . . ' ' -

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greatest, if not the greatest agriculture produiing statee

in the United States. And your action here in closing you

eyes will seriously endanger the agriculkural community.

I will not read the whole-lletter.' It's too long, but. . . . ' - .1

I will just read that part to control the dust from an. . ' 1. . . '

additional. truck dump area costs $35,000. To control the. . . . . . . l . j z $: .q . - . . J . 7 ... c..$9j. e . : . . . ... '.- .. . 2' .. n ) x : : . . .

' ' . dust 'in'beans from Ewo grain driers - $140 ooo.:JTo'contro :.

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. the dust .in two elevatork -470,000. Tokal cost of 'the' above installation for one elevator in 'one small.town, one '

'.

' ' of the princijal businesses of that town is $280,000. You .. ' don't understand what thià is doing to us. The'y have....' .

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. . Mrs.' Lahey can't do anything about this. ' This is the

' . ' Pollution Control Board. I do'think you should give us

:'' ' relief upon this matter. Now the same amendment was put '

' to this Bill as ùn the previous Bill. That is', if subje t.' On. ' . . . ' , . t

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' ' to the rules and regulations of the United states govern- .7 ' . ' , ' ' .. ' . .

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. ' ' . . . .n.er-t . Tlti.s is sonfâtlling that if i t: tioes toc f ar e ae l-ao'e .

4 % . . . ' . . .a . ' t . ' M ' .' . . :. ' '' to fightq6ut in congress. '.It may well be that we have to ' .' '

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'.'% , 4 ' . j. z t tjjat this is a' possi- ' ' ' '..r .. ) .. f ight 'it', olzt n Congress . accep . , ..- ' . ,

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. ; :f ' : j : .y j . . . . . goz. ueaven kake make our Skate , ' . z, . , ) r .. brlity , t? but .' f et . S i dOn t # , . . , . ,* I 1 . '; .' . . .

' r,y . . . .' !.. ,.@s. . 'j,, k?j.'jè p1'. , i k''.y k'; ' 4 ' ' .. .. . ' ' x ' ' 1 . . ' . . b l .i' . ) #' ' j...' ' ' . z ' . ' .' . '; :6 # '.'x l ' .;; x o j . .. (...) .y t ; jy ) ..', tj ... . t . ' r ' l.yt,j: rq .&. kn ; ;. , ., q .à. e ,. . , ; . . : . . ; .1 v. . . t

' . .' ''.C' ' on khe '.œdea ' obl. pride, which is ridiculouse ntake âules J .

. . . * , . L ' 1- !) -!'t > v/ ' qysjjyj j . 12 $ '. ' ..;Lt . . , ... . . .. .. . . ï q ' . y' à.'rjkyl ri 1. $ > ; . j ë . . .. $t ,' .' ' ' . : .! ' 'î r ..!: ( ':(' .- i s'. %;;t):.. s ..) . u . .t . . . ' . 7 .1 k 1! . . .. . . , . , . t

, ',' :.Lt' : and .reculatiori:.lthat destroy .the people and destroy the ' .

. . - . . . . gj,' / . . . . . , j '. .' ' ;. *. . .. . . . , ' , . . ' d $. , )., j. L;k. y: kkltarty ??. :.) :q. kr t: z &y ) ') ! . . , ' . . -. .?., z. ' . .' . . ' ' i ht'. t .: 2 z . .'. . z . . . . ,. . t .J ç . 1 . . . k . . . . . . . ' . .

.. ; kindustryk'degtroy-the principal backbone of the businesses .'- . . . . . . . ) . . 1, , . : d, ,, ! ,. u . . . . . . . ki j;t. : ; : . '.of smalf commun'ities in our area. well, I thin' k'Ytthëcthih

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. tbido/'rvde'like'to have if you don't mind, when the time, ' IJ . . l .!; '. . ' . . . . . . ' , . . . ,

'. comes, ah......,we 11 see how the vote runs on this, but I .. . . . . . . :

. .; ( L ' . . ' ' J ' . ' ' ' 'do believe you people in Chicago that do not understand ou .

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' ', G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y . ' . ' . ' ; . '. / N?l,çk. ' ' t , ' v ' , : : .

l ' .' ' ' ', STA'TE OF 'kulNo's ' ' ' ' . . '. gam . . s s ' ,1 , l . ' 'Nx . o sousE ole HEeRKSE@ITAYIV . . . j

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problems down here should seriously eonsider whak 'welre '

saying about this. It's of/v'z'tal importance to y'ou and

the people you will have to feed whether you care t'o

t this thought or not. 'Thank you.'' ' ' . ' / 'accep .

K. Miller: X he gentleman from Cook, Mr. Mann.'' ' .' '.) . ' ' ' ' '' $

Mann : ''Well p '. Mr. Speaker and Members of the House . I oppo' se , ,

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. best long-run i nt'erest of the f armers themselves r and I ' '.' ' J'''.

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N 4 . ' . V' ' 'J' do 'want to retrack one statement that I made earlier about u. .

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C . ' . ' . ' ., '. q . % x %?i . . . j '- . . . . .

7 . . l .T' ,the Pvepub.uzcan party' tryxng to r. ut the death nil to the ' '

' . ' . . T :Environmental Protectlon Agency, because I notice that .'-

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Speaker Blair voted acainst House Bill 40 and I commend '

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' him for that vote, because he z's'a man of vision and he ' '

understands the peril.of....... Thank youy 1.'11 say it ., . . j . î' . î . . '

' ' again he is a man zof vision. Ah.... The Minority Leader ' .

' ' ' just informed me that he voted for it, and I'm.in 'real S .. .. . ( 1 . 2 1. . . ' . . ., '. ?. . l .

' . ' ,' ' .'r ' trouble now.. '. Welk'. 1 n any event , Mr . Speaker . ah . . . t'ni s .' ': , .f . . . %' . . . . ' o ' ' . . : , .;

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' .'.':. f rom Decatur zs ., of . cottrse n..' sincere p.tn pursuing; tlus . . ' ... : '.:'h.''r? .

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: t :.1,1 farmers and we re 'Interesked zn agrzcultural produce , we v , 'r . a. . . .

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'. .. qot to be' Interested In our 'environment. The Jarmers can- , :I . 4 -' . ; . ' ' I . ' ' ' 11*1 t ' ' ' '?. , .... ..st .;. , l . , . . ,. .,. : . & .b . . , . ï , . ; .1 r - . ;. , (z. xf n ! . J z ,). . f;h l , çt f ,e , (.a=. t , , . . . > i ( ..w :, dj y; .

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farmers cannot khrzve. if we kzll thetr water, supply. And ,'.

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neither can any ofbthe ten million consumers who live In '. . . . . . . ' J . 1 :) . ' '

, . . . '' . . . d . i l 4 $' . ' ' l . ' 4. ' ). . .. . ! . , . T /..f . I .'

the State of Illanoas. Mr. Speaker and MembersrN.of the 4 '

House, Illinois can take pride in leading the Environmenta u

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. . ' ' . & , e 1t ' . . STATE OF 1 LLIN >IS ' . . # J '

' Yu : ' ,. ' eouse oF fRe:elRlse-TA'rlvls : ' '. '' ' '

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Proteckion sector of the country. There's not another

: State that has a Bill like ours and once more I say to#

you that I trust Mary Lee Lahey. I do not think she will

be unfair. I do not think that she's anti-agriculture

' anymore than any other member of this House. Mr. Speaker

and Members of this. House, let's kill this Bill-now and s... . :. S'' . .. ! .. . ' . . . e ' . .. , 7 1 ' . .j Co ' . . . - . .. . ' 5.17 . (1 '. # . . . . ' '.

.':...' . . ., I would hope , jthat àlthough the Sponsor 'is p of , course , is , 'ç y. . . ' . . . . :, . I , . .: . . . . . . . .. . t z . . ;$ .r, .. . . . ..t . , .

free to control his own Bill, . that he would recognize '.''' . ,

'

. t . . . . . I , $ ,' ' th handwriting on 'the wall and le't ' s move on to' o' ther ' '. .. e .

, ' matters in which we Jan helr the agricultuz a? econcmy of '

' Illinois and Ilwill certainly, as I have in thelpast, voke '' .' : ; . ...

. f or such Bills . Please vote wzno. . ' . . . . . r . . , .

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K. Miller: t'TThe gentleman from Tazewell, Mr. Kriegsman.'' '

Kriegsmanz >Mr. speaker, I vote in support of Webber Borchers .

il1 I believ' e that Represe'ntative Mann was eroneous in 'B .

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' ' assuminq that the farmers don't know'anvthinq about farm-

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z..inq . I ' attended tile' hearinc of the elevakor in cuestion o

p 1. f !. , . . . k . .. ' ' . . i ., :. , . . . zAj ,j . . -. .' , ' it'' .':.; ' ' h' ' ' this ' Bill It ' wa's a f lagrant violation of power by the . ' ' ' . ',., yr : .#e j. . e4. . . . % ; . . . .. . ' . . 'u ' i . . . ' . ' ' e : . & $ . . . . . ç. ;.

. . f. ! . y j $, .;b. . p ) . . . t . . i.. t 7. ! ; ..I : u . . . v ; , - ., . . . . . . . . . . ( . . . f. , . q . , p r ,.. $ . ' . f . . . . . . , . ; . , - . . .. ' . i . . . L ? @ UL ' 1. ' y ' vu . ': . . . . . . 'G ë r: . . ' . J ' '' . . ' . ' j .. . ).l.r .b j.. .. . . < .. a . .z .' ' . . 8 ' ':'v''. -1';, ''?'Env' iro% e' ntal Protection Agnecy. They had an engineer 't. ' .'à') ''

. . . j . :. . z . 4. .j . . . sj a . .: ,. .l; . ; '. . jpL . $ zy l 1! (kzyç .-j ' J ur 2..:? u i t,; ' 4 ,' . ' ' z. > . . jô' . ty .. : .vt;f, ; ' ; -.,, hj ;lj & . . .j ; . .). ; t . 1 .' r . / k Jy . ) J ! - . *.! r . .! . .. .!' ! ''x 4, ';n j' . Iï. . .. '.. . y f J ' . .' ,. h . ( & .. . = . :ë l ; 2 d v '. 1: ' 4.: .' .; zj a$. r.. . .! p . t % t fj. . . . . : . j m a r . . : . . F z c . ! . , p

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.' Ai . there' . who 'had at 'that time '. only seen a grain .dryer one ? F '.

. w * ;:> & . # t k ' , . # . . '' ' ' . . < $ '. . .p.s( '. ' : v , ,' r t . ,' ', ';''')t 2 .2,5(:t9 '.k# q j1.(tii J' tf C :1i;.rçv) '.'1F,(. , .' ). f; ' . . ; . ., ! 9. '. . ' ' < . r ' ,u v 2L i. 47,17t.:7: .' . x . . .. *,hk,. ' *. '. t? .. . ! v ; ' ! f :., '... â /zjt' r;

t ,' .'j L'), 1 . :'

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' .':t '.'7L.. tt i week. bef ore he .was testif ying 'as to. the. merits agàinat the . ' .? ''' . . . j ,J I b . . '. ' '' yj t .' Jî ' . . r ' ' . . ( ' '. l . , . ) I t? .. . . ; . l . . ' . . f : . . ' . . )' . . . , I..J'. ' . (... . . . . z , z.. $.. , , k, .: . t. '. . ; z . ; ç... e ' . . 1 $) 3. ;..j( i) I . 7 .( . li ..i . s. :' . . . . h 5 . . . ..4 . . ' ' : , . . ., j. p ' ô( % .k?'. ul : .,' l ' : . . . x .: .. . .. i .. '.

j. . . '.' '' !'' elevatorï f ..The: proposition was all ' based on hearsay back . '$ . : : . : . l . 'ï '.1t . ; ' 7., Tkt . ,,8. . 9: (. ) , : e. . . . . . .j ;- .. ç. ; . : . . . . ) jr ;èï. - . . . . ,J-. i . . .1 ' . 'e ' . . .; . . ..' in 1968 '.- .'., They took no consideration as to the . tmprove- ,' . ' , ' â

. ' . . ' p . ' ' ' ' ' f. :. . . i . 4 . > . ' . x. ? . . J ( j- , . ... J . . . .,' . i . . ; . . ). . . , j . . T . .. .k . . . L . .. : ... ; . z .. z ï. . . . . . , , '

' ments that were made by the elevator since 1968. The peop e. ' q , i . t & : . . . ' ' . ' . ' ' ' . ' . . ' q: , . ' ? , , > t ; ' ' . ) . . . ' - . !'t ;' * . . . , '

, . J .. . . . ) % . . h z .that were witnesses'' a'gainst the elevator. lived off of taxe .

. . . . . '. ' . ê . ' . a 1- ) ' . .They had no compassion for the source of Ehe taxes of that ,. . . . . * . :

r town. We 'are not against environmental protection, but th .

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' zr . . . ' x- ' ' . 'z ç . ' ' # ' ' ' '

. ' / ' ' - . . G EN E R A L A S S EM B LY ' ' ' ''' q! s . i: . , . . . . . . . .. . , . . 4 ; i '' . .

. 1 . , 1u: l ' ' ' ST'ATE OF 1 uul- 1 Is . 1 ' e . ' '' . '

. z; x ' . , .. ? . I , - .'.Y1 ' ' ' . . ê. - . . ' '. .. Housx OF KEPRESENTM IVES .1 : ' ' l . . 4 .

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agency uses its power to no good. And I vote in favor' of Webber Bcrchers Bi11.f' '

K. Miller) nIs there further discussion? If not the Chair

will recognize the gentleman from Macon,. Mr. Borchers,l

i Y YZYC P ' 'YQ C QSe the Z . ..

Borchers: ''Mr. Speaker, my thoughts w'ere slightly disarrayed. . ; . . J . ) . : . . . : . . . . . . .q . ' , . ' ... . . . . . ;t . .. . . .. . .. . ..., l . . t . . .J : .. . .( .. i . . . . .. .: J . . . . . T . ' :'''

.,,'by my good friend, Representative Blades, but I'just would =. .' , ! . ; . '. . ' ; ' 1

'. . .,; :,' i!, . . , ' t ' , . . . ' . ' . . . . '. y c. , . . . Y L. 't . . ' ' . : . . ) 1 . J .. .'' :'.''like to say that' this is vital Eo us . Remember , . I men- . ê .

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ltioned one elevatorm, $280,000, for one elèvator. I assur .1

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gyou that very few elevators in small towns can afford this

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kind of money. They canlt add it to.the cost of grain. . .'

,' ' That's controlled up there in.... a the Board and it's ' .

going on right now in Chicago, the grain pits. They can'k '. . . . . . ' ; : '

' ' add it on. 0ur grain will be taken elsewhere. We are ' '

. . . going to be hurt by this Rules and Regulations. Again, I , '. 'v : ' . . .

repeat, Mrs. Lahey has nothinq to do except to carry out .

' ,*-.lle rttles and reglt.l at/.ims pulmagated and baing' f ctrmed. k'iflh '

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' ' 't no'w' by Ehe'pollution Control Board. ' Most of them who come' . . . ; ï ' . S '' ' . . 1 , : ' '. ; . , .ï kr' 't J% : . . . . . . . ! . '

. . g , -. 1 , ' ' :'.'?. . from Chicggo . '1I ' think we should have your help on this , , .k' ,y . . . g e , , . - . . ,y . ., . . . . . c

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. : '' /'becausé we are in danger . So theref orey ' I .request your , .' '. : ' k ( . : . V' t . . , , v. .; L . j; g ., ( I . , . , . . .

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postponed consideration. The Clerk will read the next ' -. 'Nj '

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. w ; '. z'. *F. B. Selcke: ''House Bill 42. Bill for an Act to'amend the .

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. . ) ; . . : I . . . $. , . ;.' 'B h rs : ' ''Mr S eaker I hate to take time when I see that ' '. ''' ' '. OrC e r . p , g , ..I . . . . . , . . ' . . . . ' t 1 .

' 11 see how thzs zs, but I would like to present a few facts '. . I . ' . . . .. . : ; ., . , >.- . .'

.. . .. 'Nowy again, where are opposition is cominge it .seems from ,' '. . 1 z. ' '''. . ' .. ' . . : .. ' ' 2

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'- the City of Chicago. Perhaps you've lost your livestock :.. . 4 . '

- ' ' kcenter of the world, but there are plehty of people down- . .'.

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't state that still raise livestock. When these people, Ahe ./. . . . : . ,. . ;. ..

.' ' Pollution Control Boardz indicates and promotes rules - ''X '

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' think about those things or notg but to me, it ssmply .zn-. . . . . . '

credible that khe EPA, or rather the Pollution Control . .' -..' . . , . ' $ ê .' ' ) 'L 4 ' *5. * a ,: ) '' . . . . . z .' ,#f , s LJ . .' . . . ' ' .. . . . . 9 ) .z, j . w. .R Y ' * ' ' ' 1O C

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they propose. CNow on the matter of the amendment, again,there is an amendment that would set' up the idea of Federa*j '

control. Here it happens to be something of the idea of' a farmer's thoughts. This is not mine. It was given me.

Ites the idea of a young man, who knows nothing about a. hog or probably wouldn't know a horse from a cow frankly, '.' ' : ' . 1 . 'SI' l'* -- ' ''''? - ' ' ' ' ' . . .' .

' ' N,' '' who is getting ready ko be hung standing on a pig and a '.. ' ';:.c'.'. .. , . : . i . . . a . t

' ' ' farmer' is s4y'ing Eo him, o'kay young fellow now letês tal '. , . . . .. 1/ ' . a ' ê 11 ' ; ' ' J ' '

about livestock waste regulakions. This is a thought. . Th s ' .

' ' ' is a idea . This i.s a belief of the people downstate izt z.h ' '' farming industry. They go to the extent of even makin

g '. cartoons. You a1l may or may not know, of the extent in '

' ' Oregon. You talk about you want to be first. Well thank '

. , God, wedre not first. Oregon is worst. I will remind you

' and I have here the picture in the newspaper from Oregon,

;' and kheir rules and their requlations, wherein a forest L. . :. '. area: . o .'. Atr . speàlcer . ' I want thanl to lzear this

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.7' pleaàe hammer that podium a little bit with that gavel. .: . ..' G 1) ) ' . t ' ' . ' ' . . ' . , . . ' ' 2; .' ' ' ; . u . . ' , , . z ' F ' ; . ,4 . ) ;.:, .. u . '

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' .,- I have a picture from Oregon: where it is the rule .that . ; u . 'û. . . . . . . . : . . . . . . , . , . . . . ! :.. . . . , : . . e 1 ' ' . j. ''L'. * . ' : . 7 *1 J,j(x.t' Jlaj T t . 1 .kj' ' '. . i ' . . '- . : ' .

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. . ..r. : . y . . . . ; . j , ,. .. .. horses in a Aogging.camp have to wear diapers. Now, let s . ,.1.' ' , ?..'ë 1 . .. .-.':

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' j y j. j. s., .. ,N , '. j l j'. * . . ; . . ' . ' : . . ' ) . . QJ ij. . :(!; . ..y. .) . j.. . . ., . ; . s. L. . ). z,.. r ., : , . . .. .. . . .; . ,.. .horses too,, dan ' wèaH diapers and our cows and ouq pigs .'

.,.t ' ' .'' '. : . . 4 .. D . : e . , . ; ) .- , -. r. k t # , 3$: i' ..(..$ 1 jè :, kz . $)..:'j; . .. . . , .,).( , .t. . . . J z ;. ,,.vt !. j 12 .: l . ' . , . t -.. :L.. - . . : . .: !' '' ' i ' h ad and f ishes in the stream ''.', ' ' ' . C'. and the birds f ly ng over e . . ... z ,. i, . ' . , ., t ' ' ' ' L* $ . j .' ' ,' ' . .: '' .34..1* .) J . f . . , . :%1t t ' . . . . . :, !. .b-This is the 'extent.to yhich some of these radical, environ '.'. :'.. ' ' . ' . 2 .' . .j t ) yp, . .k'; : . : ' ' . g . , . . ;. ;. - . 1 ' 21 . .?. t %. . '( . z 1/. j7 j; . . . .J.' . , . . ' J * j. enial nuts can got' '' so let ' s take one roll call 'see whaE '''E7J'. III ,. . v' '. , ., . . I j .. g 4. . . . . . . . I . k . . . '. ; . ; j a , r . . ;. ;.k r; I .' . ' j ! . .. 1) ' . . l .( ' , .i î S % . ' 1happens. If anybody has anything to add to it, add it now. ..

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K Millerr ''The.gentleman from Cook Mr. Mann '' '. : '

Mann: ''Well, . Speaker, Members of the House, I would sui-gest that the gentleman's eyesight is suffering a little

because welve already had two roll calls, which ought to

Indacate what the sentaments of thls House arey.and once

more I do not want to belittle his convictions, I just . .. x r: , . . . v .

g'..t'y..:$:j.want to point ouk i when he speaks of Federal Reg'ulaki ons s '; ' -., j ...t T), , . . 1 , . t < .( . . r' 1: 9 1. *$' &2'j ' ' . ? .'3 : . '.' . . . T . .. . . ' ' . . . 'J . . . 1 . :. j! . j ; >' ' . . jv ez $ . it y .4* 1) z . .' :1. . 2 . ' . c'' t . . ' ' .:. ' r L. , . '. . . ' ' , . i , . , . ... u J r . > . . # .J : &. ,. s. . s ' y u:à; ' . hk -'l # .. ' . ' ' .'r Cr i .j& '.J ' êt * ' ' ' ; ' . ' ' ' ' ' % , ' q . j . ,. ' . ! ') ' . ' .' 1 ' . . , , ' ';it).o1.>,', and Controls , he s talkzng a bout minm al Federal .Regula- . . . .f.'

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. . ' . .. ksu.ctlons and controls and he ' s talking about regulakzons and . 'J. ; . x . z ( .. . . .. r ) . . . . 'e j% : d . . . %. . r . ' .* ) ' ' 1 '' ' ' ') ai L :Jt % , . ' . . .

' ' '. 'itcontrols whzch are not even yet 1 n ef f ect . Nowe . . . . ''. ... )' ...' j , ; j. , . . .t' . . . . : . . . : .: ) v . $. 't . . $ N l A 'l & . . û . ' . 4 . ' a . j'l ' '

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. k . l'bspeaker and Members of the House, I di d not suggest as one ' ... t l . . . . - 1 . . . ' ' . .

' ' ' ' kleman 1 ndi cated that the f armers di d not o' w what ' ' .. J . . ; a , gen , ; .

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.' . . 'they were doing. I do''t not know how many farmers are in ' ;

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2 'favor of this leqislation. I've 'not heard the gentleman . - .

. t t . . . . . .) , . . ! , z . : . , . . . . . . , . ?. rl. . . . j . . . . : . f' . .. . 1 . . 8 '' Zi'k xlfrom Decatur indicate that he has polled hz's constituency' l . . .. 1. . T % . ! ' '

v J . 'g ; ' ' ' ' ' .. 1. A A .. . e i a w @. . . y ' '' ''Jti(t ': or the agricultural communzty here a.n the State of Illznoz . : ,' I : . ; ' e '. I 5 . .' 1 1 . ' . ' .. . y ..' q . . . ' ' x t 4 'I . kzw . . . L ,: . .F . .. :.

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'.' ' ''- mulkiply.and proliferate those problems/ 'Mr..'S eàker and .' '

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. Members of the House, this is another one of a very bad '' .. ;

il1 which will cripple EPA and I ask you to vote 'no ' ZB , .t .

K. Miller: ''The gentleman from Dupage, Mr. Schneider.'gl! , '

Schneider: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Hause,I

; I once again want to oppcse another ohe of Webber's Bills,) 1

partly because feed lots have yet to be considered for .' ' 1 ti n either in zllinois or in the rederal 'govern- - '.- '. , . k , regu a o 1' .) x

, mentg and I think we ought to note, out of the 87,000 :.' J ,'

. . . ' farms in Illinois, that raise some kind of livestock, ' .. . .. . t!

% . . e : ' . . .

' accordinglto some figùres that I haveg three to six 't

' thousand might possibly be affected by some form of feed

lot regulation. So a lot of it could be simple common , '

.sense cooperation between farmers who live downstream from :

' ' ' ' one another. Remember the society is changing. Faraers. l - ' .a hundred years ago, did not have neighbors as close as '

J . , ; ' . ' . .they are now and we have to be concerned about their '

. relationships to one another, and I think some of the. . t . . . .. .

'.u.'. problems that we have.to'be concerned about aust simply .

' on a cooperative basis,'hav: to deal with the question of. . . . . , I

. . . . . f . , . . . . . . . - . . . . 1 . ' r.. eh . . ' ' ' . 1' ; , . # .' ' , . . . . k. , j. . .(, ' :..,,. j. q . ,..$ éw kl 1, .. . ,. c . . '; .'. . ' . k l.. ' ?( t j . ' , y .', . . # - .#' '. .( ) .: , y , J , , J. - . : v . r . t

' ''',î ' the storage 'of ' the solid vaste' duHing' the Qinter; the '( . 'g '

. . . j . ' ' . l . . . . . 4. ' p : . . . . .. . l . ', t . . . . .( ' . . . ' J .. . . ., . .. . $ t . . & . . . . . . . . a ' , . xr ' l4. e .. ' . ; t. .j> ? .; y 7) T !: j t ' v ) . , ' ' . . . i (. (. ' ..' . ', ;! . I % ;l' ? ' J , ) xkk 1y. . g'J. .) .:. $ 5 ' : ' . ' ; 2'z. ' I ' 'J ' ' ' ' .. . . : . r .. .. : . . . . . . . . .' ' ' ' ' .1 i ' f ' hbw w' e are 'goinzg' .to dleàn f eed lots the '. ' ' , .. '

. quest on p . , .. ' . ' 1 ; .t : ':. . . . . ' / u. '' e . : j t IJN' . ? t . v/ ?' . - , ' ';. t . 1 ? $:z (' h T ' . .'j ; . f f . ' ' r $ , :. # . : . ' . . ' .'' : .. : . b : ( .. ' . ' . 1 : . k ' . . . ' . ê . l . <œ.- a ' -.) ' l :k ' t ; . ' *

. k ' . . . . ' : , . . v ' * - ' ' , t ' ' ' '' ' uestion of loca'ti on of surface draining on M eas in the ''.

. q . .'j. . . . . . . 4 . , . . $ j . . ' r l z. n.y 4 ; 1 ' . : .. : t ' . . 'z i y. . $ . . # ' '. $ ' ! 'A ' ' ' 1 1 m $' ' . ' . Z . 'w . . . . I , v , . T' ' ': : J' ' . ' S ' .'. ' . . ' ' ' ' )' '.u' .' farming and cattle raisipg areas-. . I think we have to be .

. . t . .. . :; $ ' û ' ' ' - '.

' ' conce'rned a'bout the stagnant ,upter levels which might over- '

. . . . ' ' ' ' t / k. 't . . '.u ' . ' . ' : ''i the event of 'a.heavy'ra'in Qhere a farmer has cyeateflow n ,

. , . , . . . . . ... . ' . . . 1 . . j . . ..: 1 : - '! . . . ?' yf . . . ' . . . r w . . u . .a pool.to colleck excessive waste run-off. I think we have '

A . ; ' . . w , l . ;, .. . : .. . .. e . . l . J ' 'L . . J ' ' ' ' 'to be concerned about usin waste substance f r '

. . ' . ' E M B j. y ' . ' . r ' ' u ' .

. - . . . G E N E R A L A S S . ' . , ' .''t!I!!;jj:jr.. . '1i5 . .. . . . . . ... . ':' ' . . . . ,. . ..I . . .. $ , . a.s o e. ; uu1 pl o 1 s . ' ': . . . . k : . . . c: . 'j y , . . ,. smx. . . 1 b . # ' i ' . ', ' . . i ' / . ' ' y . ' .. 6 , . . . ' @' '= e . ' . . ' r. > x. s. r< . - 'r .a. 'r I v E s. . . ' i # ''' ' . ' C '

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. in an area where it has a high water level and ah.... the. . ': .

te does not decompose 'properly and it runs off intowas

. a Stream. SO I think khere are a lot of possibilities

for cooperation between farmers as well as suggestions -

suggeskions from the EPA and the Pollution Control Board '

which would deal with the number of animals on' a feed 1ot. b' '' k

,'. iand would also deal with planning of green belts between . ''

. . a . '' g ' . ' . s : 1. . . : .. . j. . . : . . r . t . 4 ,r. ' ' '.. '&' the polluti on source and the water that i t may k un i nto . ' ' . '.

: . y I . . . . .. . . . . . . .. ; . . z . . . . i ' tp . J .'. , .

' So I think we have a long.way to go in a'nvestigating this .. . . . q r . ; , . .:h. ' ' . . . ' . , ' . : ' ' 4 ' ' .' i : ' ' ' ' ' '

. ' ' tion of feed lot waste and runoff ''and I thi'nk we . ''.. ques ,

. 'f 1 ' > '' . ought to once agairz oppose'the Bii-l until some kinds of

. . . '. : . . . . l & . '' ' technological and skillful studies are done on the problem

' ' . and then w' e can vote rationally on it Webber, and I think .

. ' . ' ' 0 ' '. 'lit would be a good Bill once we have'that informationo'' ' .

. . . . . ' !

x. Miller: ''The gentleman from ogle, Mr. Brinkmeiera'' .. . . . .. * ' 1 ' I

Brinkmeier: ''Mr. speaker, would the Sponsor yield to a U. ,, . . , . . . . .. ,7 j .

. f t x on 9 11 ' f . ; ; '' * 1 . : . I. ques . ... . *. . ' v . . z . . . n . . ., . , .

' K Miller: ''He indicates he will. Proceed.* . '' .t . , , . . , . j. : . . . t >. . '

'' km ' '' wo'ka Webber -I'm wondering, has khis Bill.been ''' .. ' Brin eïer : . y , , j â , , . i y4;. y j, .. . î . k . kl .y .4 .r : .$ t ,, , . , . . o . . . . 4 , . . .: ? ' . 4 (à.* 't . .'' k ' 'j aiz: .t 't ' ? y.% . . 1.2 w j ' , )l. ) A ' . .. ''..t Lj . ' x .. r . . 1 . )j. , . . : .w y g ': * . . ' . ! *; v . o . . p oj.,'ï j: xyj.' :# ! ?N$ œ . ju). z ; , . y . . . c . ç. y , .n . . . ,.. . . I . . . ? J / . ' ' : r ) l f . - * ' ' . ' . .' '

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.' amended to change . the . ah. .', p 20 head dlsbursed over at . k, 'k,

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''

.. ' '.,' . leasE 'ten acres . '.r' We talked about .that 'In Commlttee. but '. ..: . .... F. : . t .. . y- . . . ë . ; c. . , c . - s-, t - ... c, ' . . ,2 yk. ,. . . l -. . .. . .. ù. -) . : q . . i , . - . . .,, .-

- . . ; . k 5;: ak-. .t' . kk':;)..v:,, , ' - à. . . . t-. -, . ri . ' .. -.' , :.,',. 5.--., i' .'?. : .' ? !? :',.. .-ii -; ',l ,k.. ' . --. , a,4 '; r . . l ? .. ..) ., :- . :f $.'., :1r. '-Cit 1: ' .. ; i -' c . . . i. . .. f ih ' '- :.# : . . . . . . i . . .' . k

' ' ' ' ' ' ' - f that has ' been '. changed . '' ' ', ' * . .A r' .' -' '- ' ' .' . . ;. i?. %' 1, .. . I m, not aware . .2 !. o . , . , . 7 . , . .. -. : ... j ' . = . 2 ,1 ' . ' ?y j, . ' I 9 . â ' ' ' ' ' ' ' z ' ' 'k p'' ' ( :#'Borchers : ; . No l.t hastInot been changed . ' 1. . . . .

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-nklneler z . Thank you .. .. ,..... .

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' . . .; ' ; .. .. . . . ..k ', . . ' t. . - .

. e . . ' . . k. . : . !' . ' . ' t' nI was wa'iting 'for' an amendmente bùt It never came . . .Borchers: = . .! . ' . a ' q.. h! . . : ' . . t., . a :;. : . . !. , : I ; ( . . & : - . .' . l' : e . > . ..! è . ' - I J ' '.) r v . . . ! % ' - ' v' l -. . . . . . . z t . . !.. . . . ... , . . . , ; . . I

.. up. We went rzght on ahead and put the BIll through u '... .. . . v . ' ' ' ' ' , l f.i $ f. . . . '? . $ S . . K J . .. . : . z' . . ' . x +.. . . , . . . . . . . ,. . ; '. . s j. . k , ' . . tt . : a '' ) . ..y r. . . ' . . . ; j. . . z . . r. . : ., . r fl. . , t: .. , ? J . . , . 4 w. ! f . . 41# ' e ' ,.e , & : . ' z . . e . t t ' 'the Committee . . . . .' . ' $ .-t''? ' '. - . . : . ' . '.''.J- .:.''l d .;

....- . . . . . u ;.''' .K . . , . ... . ' . J' ;. J t ' ' . 1 '' % ' 'z' . . z T ' . I . :1 r X . '. , . . . . '. . : ; . .. . à ./. 3. e ' ' . G E N E R A L . A S S E M B L Y ' : . î ' : '...% i. $

t s 'i . I . - . . . . . ' ' ' .- ' ' ; .. . . . . . . . . . . , , . ?! @ '. . . ' . . A . . . . . . s'rx'rx o e' 1 uuç p1 o 1 s k . . . i .' . v' ' . * ' . . ' - ' t i tLt t. . . . . . . ' . z . j k.. $. ... . . l . 6 . . ' 1 J . .,$z . . . . .. . ' * ' ' '' ' . . , . , ,< j j ' a . t . ,: j &( j' mgj . j .' * DW ' ' ' ' S EE * F R K P R K 5 E M T A T 1 V E % * > . ' ' 7 I $ . ' .. !a;. . ., Mou. X. . .. x . . , . . l . . . j 4 j

i

. .

' h ther it comes from a horse or J man or cow or what-w eever and recycle it, put it through the necessary chemical

tests and preparation and you can redrink it. It's abso-

lutely pure. Youlve even seen, I'm sure, on TV, the. >; .

materials put into that Eank in the weste where it comes

out that you can drink it. So I suppose since I am going

to loose my voice over this, dué to the remains of the .. . ,- .. ' . . . . . . ' l . .

. . '' C ' ' ' ' ' ' ,flu, Feumight as well pué'tiis .to the votee but I do want; ' ' . . . ' 1 ' ' '

.. to bring it out to you, I do want to bring it out ko youe .: : '' . .

and I hope that perhaps on the next Bill, you Qill vote

'yes', and as far as my friend over on the other side of

the aisle, Representative Mann, is concerned, we are not

, destroying the power of the EPA or even attempting to. I. . . . ; .

. : think a11 of us here are for it. A1l we want to do is

dorrect some of the things that are wrong that they don't

have enoughk knowledge to correct. As was pointed out,

. one man, who testified on grain elevators, didn't even...

hadn't even seen a corn dryer until a week before, and he '

' . s. . was one of the experts so-called of the EPA. Thank you./ .. ' .. : . ' : . ' '

. . ' I ? . . , . . .. . I ' . . ' . . . . . . . . . ,1 - ).. .. .t. ' i ,1 , . . . .rl .$. , '1) . '' ,

. . . '

:, K. Miller:' z''Thé queskion is, shall House Bill 42 pass? Those; J $ ' ' ' '!' f î' ; : '' ' ' J ' 'ir. . . : ; k ' l 4 . d Iq ) t ; z 4 t ) .. ; '. . .' t ky . . . ' x w .

. . . . . .t i ;' J :in favor vote

.aye , those opposed 'nay'. Genklèman from. . e . , .:1. : . g . .

. .' . . ' r . . ..k Avj l ''; t , . . . ' ...z. , ; '. ' , . , - , j.t ;.% j . . ' '

. . . , . : . ? . ., . J . . . : ! .. Wayne , Mr tBlades , to explain his votek '' :.;..7 ' : ' ' .! . .. k . . '. ) '.r ,7 . . ' .

. . . : . . .. . , ' . r ,. . . p k . . . . . . r! , .

' Blades: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, to ., . , . . ,s , j ,

. ,' t ç '. . ' - ' ' ' 'exolain mv vote/ first I want to say that z am not aqainst

. J ' , ' ' ' 'X 'the Environmental Protection Agency. There does seems to

. 4 ) , .. . .f 1. , , .

. ' be some on this floor of the House that seems to be against

j '.r.. ' ' '' amending any adts of the Environmental Proteckion Act. '

. ' G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y

t ACN - . .' .: STATZ O F l LZ'IN O IS . ''

u.k= Movs? oe ReteFe*zs/ll-rA-rlvEs '

Brihkmeier: ''Wel1 my contention, Webber, is that this is not

grazing land, when itîs this densely population. It is

more feeding lot than grazing land.'l

Borchers: '9I suspect you might say this is more for grazing '

land than y'tuwould be for feed lots.'

Brinkmeier: HThank youoe ., , . . . , . * (, .ë; o . .. . .t.. ... . . . . . t . . - . . . . - . !. . ... . . . . . .

. > - . ' '-. : : ' .K. Mi ller : : ''Is there f urther di scussi on? A1l ri ght, -the ' ., . '.' 7. .'

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. . : '; ,. &. k- vf .. ... '.. . . uï gentleman.from Macon to close the debateg Mr. Borchers.. . . . . . ; '; &

. ' 'b ) . . ' ' 'l g. ' @. '

. , Borchers: 'îWell, gentlemenz I'd like to polnt out Jusk a '' l : . '. . . 'i . 7 .

' ' couple of facts. Ten thousand buffalo for ten thousand '

.' years have polluted, if you want to call it th'ate our . .'

. . , stremms and continue to live.. There are deer lots wher ''

' ' ''deer congregate in the winter that continue to live. We'v

' ' . . ' had our livestock and our pastures for l40 yearsy and we'l

. . . ' . . '

. ' ' . . ..conttnue to have them. The czties downstream have never

' - -been âffected by them. They have waterworks.'hEvery' one '. ., t . , . . . .. . .

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' . .'c-z' ' '. ' .'t'?.'';J tq somewhere. passed' through the. body of .: another lin ng ' ' . ' ', ,J . . : 1 % '. .J' .''' .#i 4 . . ..j .&.1. ! : . . . : . i. , . .1 , > . , . . 46 . . c.y .. . ' z . .: j L% , g $ N ; .. t . p. .;. o. ur. ; y . , , x y . . .L . . & .ï . r ' . : '. ; e ' ê j . ' '* . 0 yy#y . .' . .! f $ 4 I .A . = t , .. . a . . . (. .t . x .. . ;$ . ,; (, . . .. < . . . r ; . :. . . : '. . .;: ks',. creaturep' whatever it pay have been! and you-re stLll here '

r) $ . t ,.. . . ; , . ' ï t r$ . . . . , . f -:t .; , ù . ï -p t :rj-, q: :( y,lk ï . . . r , , . k- . . th. .. . r . . ;(. . '$.. . t r . ' ..l ., v . x, (. .' , - .. J ; -.-'. k, .-b t k(.2)r ?. f'q.i. l!t: . '.tt'. .F' ;-) . '' . - . .:' d' i : .. - '' t. '. ' . s .LJI/. . zs J' ê$; F$ '. . . z 7 '. ! ,k k. .,$tk. r! ) tLktr- y. - 1' -.l . . J ..;1.- r - . k-. ' ! -$ , . . z ;. s w. >, . q . . & : . ' & ' v

.( . . ... e . J i . . .. * . ). 2 ' a . è' i . . . f. 1 l . 7 ' @ ' '' 7* It doesn't worry' me, or the'thought doesn#'t worry me in 1. 7 '.. '. . , . . h; 1. : .. . i .. f .' . ' 3. , .. . .:' t' w , b . 4 . , . '.k ' , . L 12 '. J 1 ., Tj''''u j .jj : . ..y.. . : . j. L. .. - k . ; . . . . .; . ' ' . . .1 . . g. . k. J . ; j g ? ;@ '.f I ;'t.+ r . r. ( . . . ( . . . z . . . . i . . J . .F ' ' ''

' . . uthe bit. '.They ve already perfected,that you use, to go . ,

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. .. to Marsebover a year rlp, z .. . . p a .. . . : . lwt . . r .

. , $. r > 7 . .' . '.,

'.t. water that you go .to Mars and back. .' 'So why the need of '

. . . . . ' . w . l e . ' , y :l . . L' . ' #. ' . + 4 . $ '. p *' :4. j '' ''X N . . .'. , . (. ..) .r''; t . . . ;' .

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. : ., . . .. . . osed by the ' '. ' . ' the extreme rulesaànd requlatlons as prop ..f . e' ' ' '

. . # . . . . # . . . ' g 'r ) * C 1 ' f . ' $ ' '? ' : ' ' ' ' ' ' *. . , ' . . Q : , r. z . . g n . F ê. $' coul take that same water .

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', k, . . ' ; ., G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y . ' f: . .; . ' , '. , : , ..

. ) . , . . , . , . ' ; .. . . j . . . w . . . t 13 % .. ( . .. . . . $ . .. . . , . .. . . f . . . . e . S T' A.r E o F 1. u k l N o 1 5 . . . . ., j ; .% y r y , j . r, . . w, .y , . ., y y . ' . ' j .

. . .P r * , . Hous? e IRzl.lRestsTbA.vlves . . ' . ' ,' 6. i : ? ' ' & ,t .. t: .. j . . . . ;. . . . 'k . . . ! tr, . . .. . . . :

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Now, 1... I propose to you that ah.... they are overboardI .

as far as the Environmental Protection Agency's con-

cerned. Maybe they think I*m overboard the other way.

I?d like to think I#m neukral. Now... they are against1 . .

any act that would amend the EPA Act. I voted for the

EPA Act a few years ago and if I had it to do over, I thin

. . ' ' '

' . ..I would request some changes in it, because I think we mad

' ' a mistake at that time, in giving the Agency too much leve age

' or too much power. I would much rather that the environ-

' . mental protection Act or the Pollution Control Board which ,

is the one that calls all the shots, would operate as an ,

, Agency of the Government and their appeal from them would

have to be channeled through the Administrative Review

Act. But nevertheless, the in the Act we have given them '.

' a lot of authority. Now I want you to look at this partic - '

. .lar Bill. This particular Bill proposes... is in relation

to our feed lots. This particular bill proposes that ah.. ''. ç'

'. generally no more than 20 head per acre be disbursed over

. 'at least 10 acres. That is, 20 head of cattle, I presume

1 .d ' %; ' . ' ' e, , . . 1( . . . . . ' , . . ' . . . v ..k:.. : . . . . )f l x . a . .. . . . . . ; .or 20 heàd qf'hogs or whatever you might be fratning. Now .

' . . ; ez . . . ' ) .I ve seen some'ùnreasonable regulations put oit by the .

. . . ... . , . .... . ; af, 3' z . -: .

'i : l -' .' 2 1 . ' ' ,- : : . .' Pollution Control Board andqthey have changed somee and '

. . . , &

, . : ,y . .I propose to you' that tùis is'u'nreasonable. . This is

' hurting the ah.eovindustry, the farm industry, éhe ah...,

animal industry in the state of Illinois. Not too long

ago, z returned from the state of àexas. They.re taking

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1 'l . . sravs oe Iuul-ols .: .l.z . - .= @' N . : X H o U SC o F R EP R E FE PIT A V 1 V f S' Nt-s ' . .

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advantage of it. It isn't unusual to see a feed lot in

the.state of Texas with 20,000 or even 30,000 head of

cattle on the feed lot. And theyere handling the situatio

in a sufficient matter. We have driven and we are drivingNj

that industry out of the State of Illinois. And I propose

to you, I would rather pass legislation that is favorable

. . to industry in Illinois, than I would toidrive industry '

' out of the State of Illinois-'' :. '

K. Millerz ''Have all voted who wished? Mrs. Dyer is 'no'. ' .

Take the Record. The gentleman from Macon, Mr. Borchersk''I .

Borchers: ''Mr. Speaker, I request permission to postpone

consideration.'' , '' '

K. Miller: ''Does'the gentleman have leave? This Bill is

placed on postponed consideration.'' Call the .next Bill,

1 k. n ' 'Zr w C CX 2.+

F. B. Sèlèke: ''House Bill 43. Bill for an Act to amend the

Environmental Prokection A*t. Third Reading of the Bill.I'

. ' K. Miller: ' ''Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Borchers.'' , '. ' . . . ' .

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Borchers: ?'Mr. Speaker and fellow members of the House, I'm. . .' .

' i deed that' have to take up so much v'aluable time,sorry n !.: ' ' . ci. ' 1 hich ylm positive some'' but if you Would eck the peop e w

f t doing and not knowing what they 'think, youo you are no. ' . t . : . : . '

will know 'that they want the next Bill that I am pro-' 4 . 'k ' . .

. posing. And they will not only want it, they will want. ' 7 . ' . : ' ' '

it overwelmingly, a'nd that is, that' the Pollution Control '

Board no longer has the powér to control the burning of .. ' k

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leaves and brush and shr ' l-mJ'a A' 1' tgn-s Mz''- ' ' ' '/. 'r,0 G E N E R A L A s S E M B L Y '1 . smav.s os Iuu,wols . .i . $ . ,X * ' . YX' * . sousq oF aepaesENrx'rlves

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the local political entity, whether it be a municipality,

? a township or a county. If such a local, legal entity:

does not pass any ordinances, controlling the ah.... the.. xj .

'

burning of leaves, brush'and ah.... shrubbery, than the !

EPA rules and regulations will prevail. Now, in my home-. . .

:.

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.. . town, well, first: I want to Eell you I've had coupkless '.

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..), . '. . : . . . : . . . . . .. ' . 4 ,. . . . .

.k d 1 . 13 . . . ) . . .''

., . lettersy a11 over the State of Illinbis, concerning this .. , . . ' .

' i î ;. Bill and supporting this Bill. Now in py particular town, 2''

. of Decatur, Illinois, Mr. sands, in charge of our planning

and our purchasing of equipment tokd me that it will cost

a minimum for one piece of machinery for Decatur of a '.

hundred thousand dollars. That's a éonsiderable amount of. f .

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'for the City of Decatur to have to put up for one, money

piece of machinery to take care of leaves, brush and .

' shrubbery, which is still lying in our streetso' I have '

. here the Governor's statement which says this Xgency wil1w . ) .

. , ,F ' do more than fine technical violations. It wlll enforce

. ; : , ' ' ' ' 't . .' t , '* #. . . . . . .z4 a :' ' z . ; ' ' j'.

- Kkzealistic deadlines and the dissipation of our é fortsi t . . : ' . . . . ' 7 J . J . t .'

i . à'.' .

' ' ' . . / v . = ..

' a 6 . 2 ' . . . ' . . , .

' ' . . .: . ï (;;. .s , /2 '.' .. , . : . . . . ' i . .'. . '' , .k on 1ow p'fioriEy projects. I'm much mor: concerned about t e

. * * ,; '. . . ' . ' ' ' ,:' ' . . .. t' (-'g .' . . ' . J; J .% ) . i $ 2 # -, , a..:.... . ,. . . , 1: J .. .

-- . . t ; : . .7 )f- -. e. f' ' ê , . . , ' '. ' '. . . x ). I.'.' fact thai 'belehing smoke in a major industrial/air than an

' ' ' % .' . . k ,: ! v !) k> J1'.t .. . ' . 9 ; , . . ' ( 1 , - i. t ..' ' i . . . : . .. ' ' . 4 i .4 ' . .. . .. . z à t .farmer 'burdinqrbbanahes on the south 40. Here 'in my hands

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.,y:'. i *1 . t.L. 1. e; ., ' .;t ' I I ' . . ., . ' u'b . ' r ; . ', '.. . ' t. I 3. . ..v . . ' . ' ' . ., . '

. is a éesoïutioù 'supporting .this Bill from the City Council- ; . kF . . . . ' . .' .1 k w', . . ï . s > . . . . .

. . , ' < . .' ',.':<k . ' : . . .' ' ' . ', . . .. . . ,

. . :. zz. of Danvllïe siqned bv everv Member of tha City Counc ,. . . : . . . . ? ... . . . L..

': including, 'of course,.the Mayor. . Here's from the City, ' . , . t .e ' <' ' t'I ' ' ' - . 4 . . t ' . . .. . 'k ' .! l ' . ' ' .. of Mattoon, and the letter accompanying it saysy'we are. #. j . , ,, . , 2 . , .i ' ' 'burning pro'blem and tov tally concerned about the leafu.

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( . ' j , . . , . ' , . . , .x . . . . ;! ' : . STAYK GF I LL.l NQ'S '! .. . , . . . ! '.. , ..x . .

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put the financial burden on every community to the expense

of picking up leaves, disposal of them, the tying up of

eqùipment, plus the manpower costs. The ban is not popula7with the citizens. We have received many complaints since

the ban was issued . Here is . . . . here is just one typical1 ' - 'etter

, I didn t want to bring very many of theml, but this. . . . . ' . . : . . ..

. . .. (L . . . . . . ..

' says something about what so many of them said. Pirst we

''. ;. çan't burn leaves. The environment is so much better with

J mountains of plastic bags, of trash, of plastic bags of

. trash, iying around our streets. Ah.... they say about '

fertilizer, now you must have a'permit for a household

incinerator. What is nok, et cetera, et cetera. The cost' to the p'oor is excessive in relation to these plastic

bags. It has crossed ïy mind, in fact, I wonder who owns

.the stock now in thet#lastic bag factory. I wish I did.' It must be a real income producing stock. . Here is another

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' . letter and I won't read it from the City of South Beloit

in Illin6is. exolaininc their position of what they think L, . . . ( . . . . . A' ' . . . . .. and they,ktaté among other things about arbitrary and

. ; ( . , . . . . . . . . . '. J, . l I . ; . . . .j . . , :1 1 . ; . . J x. . . ' . ' .:' èr . . , . . ' ' . . . ' .

.' uhnecessary unreasonable hardships placez upon their' cémmunity. And thev sav we feel a ray of hope in :he Bill

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' f .. , . ,-. . r . .. . . . . . i # ' : .

' that is now beàng presented before this' House..' Colliné- '. . ' ' ' .1 .

Ville, the Mayor of Collinsville testified tiat it cost

their city for the firs: time, $28,000 just. to'clear thel f their sewer system', that they had never '''eaves out o .

had to do befores' Here in my area is a newspaper clipping

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/ . G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Yr AG. . ,. . .. ;... . . s . smavz oe I uuça o Isj . . . . . . . ..

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in relation to a sewer project in our community. The

Rules by EPA and the Pollution Control Board mandated

where this wenk through a forest bru:h areay that instead

of being able ko burn thi's brush on the spotg it had to

be carried 10 miles to 12 miles to be buried. The cost

the increased cost, the headline. in the paper said $50,000 . .. ?' 't, . . .' = . . . ' ''' '; . ' , g u '.q ;' . . . . io . . .. I : . ! ... . ' . : ,''' ; : . L ; - : k ' '' . ' ' '.J . : . ' ' ' ' ' ' '' ...

-'Tr;' Increased cost of the sewer line because al1 of khis ' . ' .. . . . ... ..) .h t , . . . : ,

. r 4 'l'..z J 1 ' r . '' .' ' ï' ' ' material' had to be moved and buried instead of burned in '.

. . $ ' z ' '. . . t .,, place. This is perfectly ridiculous. What right, if we

. ' % ! s .. . .. . ,, .., .are the representzttives of the Peopz.e, have any of us to. . . : '

' ' ' ' f th People this additional cost that could be '. - mpose on e

Z easily solved. I didn't mention it before, but I will' .

' ' tell you llnow, I wrote Cambridge University. I asked them

.. two questions. one, and I miqht mention cnmhridge is over' , ; .

' , 600 years old. I said how long do your records go back

... 2 in relation to the chemical composition of the earthv . : . . j

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aumasphere, and two, ls uhere any change?' I hant to tell '.q : ' . . A.. , , . ' .i . a .. . ' t , . ' ' . ' 'f I . . . . . . . .: ' 1 . . .' 2: ''; . ? ' t'..:.' ou People, that in l43 years, no change in the atmospheri '' . : ' r .. t . '( .' . lil' . . . . .,J .t . . .IN . 6 . , . . .. . 12 , . . k . . . . r . j. (' . ) . *! . 7 . . . : . :' J .. . $ ' ' ' '. . 1 . ' : p. . ) ' 1 ' F'. . . . . . q : ' ' '' '. $(? ) .'. ' .'. ! C7. . ! tt ' l ' . , ' '' . . j... ,. .,. .lgkq..cy.omposition of the earkh: khat it s the same today as . ?... . ; .: !. k . . . t . .....t : r Lj c . . . ..,; ..z : . . .jr q . .j. . . , . , . .. ' .z - 3 r!: r . ' t., .j'% ., , . f !) :t x. j .k wjzj# .Je'4j. . as rx, .gf.j ':. ) (; , . . . .- . , : . , ..1 ..

. . ;.....,., ..t ,.:& ' ,t143 yeacs-.ago .' , . However, n # . . ...' ... ' . , . . f . j: 'J : ' ) . f , jk ' j': .:.c î k:x ,*;J f. ;tL tj. $ ): ,ij, . ),.) ï .:!. <k:... A . . t . ., . . . ' . . t *. .' .. r ;. ' , y , . . er . .j? t #j t, .1 . , . . ,.$ . t- ! ' -' & yr t è nv .. . . %èj. . ' ,,x ! - . . ' . 2. ' . ... .' . .. .ç :... . '; ' :' York a.n Chicagp '' Los Angeles, where there # s special ' ' :. . u # ' '. ' ' . . l N r- . . . . .. . . e c(. ,e ; . . , . ' . '' ' ' ' y ' . . ' /' J ' . . '. : ; ; k l ) 7 *; . ' *. ' f. . p v . 1 . s ,. t . . ' f..: ' , -' . . .' ' : r t ,2.. f.t f ...k. yx. J.t k%. f .il1$. g ..r fk 'k * .t. . . ' ' . ;. . . ., . .7 ' .) . < ' ''

., -?..; t '.. problems. because of the carbon monoxide ànd the concentra-. .. : s. . . f. t a . , t. .: ,. . . , : . . % .') . . j, . J : , . . :' ' '

.' . ' . :.'. ;t.D.' ' '' .eion of industrv, '''there are problems there which we can ' . '.'. . , ; . . . -

-. - . . . ''*' . *' .$ ; e - . ''' . ' .. .' ... .' t ., l . . i ' . . ' ' .s ' ..' I . '$ 1i.. 1. ,t ''k ; , . , l r . ' J . . ' ' ,

. . ..'' . it ''i's' tour' ''duty to try to help them control . But f or ;

. ; . . :.: . w .ù ' 4 à v r . ..13: p; y : ' . . . . s . .. e . ' ... . Ig $: > > .c96.A$;1.I ' . ' '

. ;. us, for People zn Chicago, who had the rules and regulation. % . . . r % . . ' '. . .. . : '. * . ..w qwa'v:iz :.'( r ' # ' ; a '. . . '

. . . . k . .. .. ' '

.' for the Pollutlon Control Board not to go after the big .. . y- . .. - . jt . .; ,t d. . , . . . .. . x : : - . . . '. . lzuter and 'to''come down in a small area and mandate this&

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' k' d ' f rule 'and regulation where' it is not needed for ' '. In o

other facts and factors are involved is ridiculous. What '

does Pana, Shelbvville, Litchfield have need of such a '' ' ' . .'.x . . '

rule and regulationT. None' whatsoever. I repeate all this l

. . ' does is give to the local'control to pass the ordinances

., j.. .. . . . .: .,. :.. .. r.onecessary. f or thexr loca 1 need . Chi cago already ,has . . 4 . i',. . '. # '.t'. - ; . . -. . ' . . . C . '' - ' . .. + :. . .. . . . . . y . ). fa . ... . ! .. . J , . . ! . d . , : . . . . , . 7J . . ., . z zt . . .. j . . . J..e .. ...' : & 1 .v. . . w i 47 1 x 1) î? ''. %e' h . p'v

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. t r .. . y . tv . 1 ' .k' '? '.' 7. . -. '' :8..'. ' ' self -government . . '. I 'm enti rely f or 1 t . But I beg of you ) '..''.. ' '.'

, . . y. ls .. '. ' '.. to .' s +' o D t ' '* 4 r 1 n g *' o pl 1'* C h i c a go r u le s on the c c un 1 t 1 e s '' i ' . ' ' ' '' v e ' .' ''

' .'. ',' ' of downstate and i n the rept of Ill i noi s . Next f all wi 11 , ' '

' . . ; 't . . l ' ' . .: z ' s. i ' '' .. ... . soon be upon us. ' The spring, cleanup ïs on us nowy and we '

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' ' J ''' have a right to be relieved of an irresponsible actions of '' '

' '-'' the excessi v'e costs of the EPA and the f i nal statement . .. . $ ' #

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', .' ' ''' ''. criminated agalnst who don t smoke, and a.t s your ' right ..'' .. . ' . '. . . . . , , : . . :

.! , . #. t .'.r, . 'v p . to smoke ' I have no quarrel wi th i' t I have no ri ght .to ''. ' , .':.'. . . . . r .. ..' . ..t ! t. v % . . , ; ' * * .. .q . ( , ' . (

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Mann: ''Well, Mr. speaker and Members of the House, the gentle- -

men from Decatur would have us beliève that while air in '

Chicago should be pure and while poison air in Chicago can

harm our citizens, poison air downstate cannot. Well the '

gentlemen ought to know that farmers breathe just like the

rest of us breathe, and poison air downstate is just as. .damaging to the environment as poison air in the city. '.

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' 'Housee that there is no such thing as a closed atmosphere. .'

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.' the atmosphere in Chicago, and for the gentleman to sugges .

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' that in the 'past a hundred and forty some years, there's

been no change in the atmosphere, it's a fly in the face'

. 'of a1l tie scientific evidence to the contrary which indi-- ., . v ;cate that our atmosphere is very much troubled by burning

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up into the air. ''Mr. speaker, Members of the House, this.it . .' .. '. ''

t ?'is perhaps the most pernicious of al1 the bills. And as .' .. . .y. . . . . . '' . .'' 'J..*! 9. ' 'h . . . . . . ; ' . J . . ; i '. ' .: . .. .a . ... , :

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Borchers: I would. . :. . . . . .

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this Bill or excluded under this Bill, and what the ratio .

proportion is?'' . '

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of a municipality today'is that they must provide for the ' '. . 1. ' ; . . . *1 1 'VC''.'k . . . - . . ' 1 4...e . ' 1 ( z ' ' : ' . . , e' ( *: d . . z v . /.. , , . . . i . 4.r , . . ' . . - ' *. . . j . . .' f'' 1 ' ' G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y ' .

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V welfare of their people. Whether it be in police, in . .

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fire or streets or whatever. Now the Environmental ' '

j Protection is necessary. And it just seems to me that ifl . .

a community, a small community in Cook countye say 1500 '-) - ' .

1 eople or less , can af ford ko pass a leaf burning ordinanc 'Pf . . . . . .. %

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and require people to pick up their ... have their leaves 't. ) . . . . y . ' . ' . . - œ z . . e. 1 ( . . . : .. . I . A j ' y ( .

. . , . ,' '' , , picked up and disposed of , then a municipality of 5 or è ' . 7 ,.p '-='l J . ' . . . . . . ' y. ; 4). ' ' q ': ,. ' i ): . . : . . , . r . . . . . : : ) . .!r .. e. , 1. . z , ,. . : :t , . r p. . , k. .. :. . ..: ., , . ;. . ' .. . . .

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' . ''. I ' have the same basis .or revenue that a1l of 'us have' . , ' Anokh r .''''. ' . ' ! ? . , . ) .: - '. .. . ; . ' . ' . ', v . . ' . . . . J 'e . : . ' ' ..k'spoint is the fact that the protection of environment start .N ''

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. . ' . 'Ct '. . . ..' '' at home. It seems to me that each and everv one of us .''.'. r .. . ( . ' . , s . . . , . . . . . . - .' . q j . ï.

'' :'' has to get in the habit of protecting our environment. . . 'u.

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k ' .'.'. We have to do a little bit as far as each and every one . . ', .. . . . . , 1 .. f . . . ' ,

' .:k '',.of us is concerned. The thlng that seems'to me4 that this ' '. 'c, ''. is a good place to starte by not burning our leaves. Get-

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rs ,. last and best of the series.. Now I have been a èonstant ... - . . . , $ . . . a F . .:

supporter of EPA, but àlong with the authority we have .. '

. % . . d . v . . ..') . . . . <; i . j. . ' J ). . '. . . . . . .!. .2 . . . ', ; '' . ' 'given the EPA. zs the-nbbl'iqation to use reason. 'They have '' . . .!' *' ' ' . 'k t ' ''' '

' ' . . . ' ' k . : . ; .. 1 . . z. . . V . ., . . . , l j. .; , .f iled to do ' so in the leaf t' 'buknihflg area. Here in ' ''.''. a

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Springfield, when the people in the small communities, .

called up to complain about leaf burning, they said the

'. Legislature passed a 1aw that you cannot leaf burn. That

of course,is an outright fabrication. It was their rules ,

and regulations and not our law. Buk we are taking the

b.l nme for these types of rules and regulations. And I '

k' khink.it's time 'we put the EPA on notice that they must '' - 'J. .'

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...- ..' be reasonable in their rules. and regulationé. We give th .. '

. : ' :. ' ' ' j 1 q ' ' '. / . . c' ' 'Yhe authority and we must hold them to 'this obligakion. ' '.) '

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, '.t- I think we should pass this law to put them on notice .'

. . . ' . ' ' . î : ' . : ' . .' ' that we will not continue to tolerate unreasonable rules

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. and regulations and ifqthey .insist on themz.,that we will. , . x z. ' 1 . e , * ' ' . . x . ' .1 ' . . ' .' . v ' r ; - . . . . . . ; -take away the authority in that'' area. Now it's been made

' . 'a point about leaf burning in the big cities and lèaf .. . ? . , . . . 1

, . . . I . r . . j . 4. . ,' .. $ ' % ' ' 9 ' 'burning in thellittle citiese and that there s no .differen e.

Well, there's a world of difference in the City of. Chicago. . , .$ . . J

.'' 'to add 'leaf burning to the p'ollution thatls already there,

. ''''' :'&a'nd' in a small country town where leaf t burning will not

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,'lr.;àdd 'any . siqnif icant or worthwhile contamination 6f the air.. .

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v . . . .. ..'','f?q'We .imust use our 'good, common sense . ' What- must ' be inecessar . ' .

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g . . . . . . . . . . . ( 1. e .: t. , . . , . . . f f : . . z . t .. r ..$. . .. . . - . , .. ' * ' 1' not tolerate the continued, unreasonable rules and reçula-

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tions , and 1et ' s vote f or this bill . % ' ',i . . . .' . '. . ' ' # 's .p.. . . . 4K Miller : ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. J.' J. Wolf .'' ' '' ' ' . )h.. o . : , .. . . . . .#7 . . .

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: J. J. Wolf) Nfell, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, I think ''

many Words have already been uttered on this s'ubject, and

although I did-not suppcrt any of thezother Bills, Iem. . 1

definitely going to support this one. I think the EPA

has to make some strong distinction in the question, over ''

the question of burning leaves in a metropolitan area ' .

. that is heavily populated and a small rural countvy which k .. '

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;.:.' say a .population of 10 or 15 khousand. . It nust ' doesn ' k .. ;',.' '

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. . . l. . . . . ' . ; '. , : . . populated counties iml. rural areas 'and I think they should ''. . have addressed themselves to thia probl em a long time ago ' ' '

,' and I believe the majority of the Members of this House1 . . - t' . . ' , . .', 'agree, and I think if we get ko a roll call, itell prove '1

c ' .1 ' ' . ' # l. 1 ' ' , .that fack out.' And I'm qoinq to vote êave'o'' ' ' 'f . : L . .K. Miller: ''The gentleman from Henderson, Mr. Neffod'.' '

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' Neff: ''Ah.... Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the. . . : . . . > : ,

. ' . ' ' ,''' House. This is one piece of legislation that I wùuld hope .

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; L' ' 1 '' t ' ' t; I ' ' ' ' '' ' 11 , 'd al1 support. I am certainly giving it my full sup- V .

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.. ' d. ' port and. I î 11 j.ust mention some of the problems : khat we ' z' . .' z.. t . . . . ' . v . . . . . 9 . ie' ' @ # . ' % c k.j '..r I ' ' k''t . ' ' (: : > . . . . ! . . .' ' < . . ' 1 < '; t

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''; , . ,';''run'. ink -o.iand '1 'm sure that many Legislators have had khese '! ç 4. . . . .' ' * ' ' x. ,' t . ; . ; e '.. k . ' 7 # ' ' . . ï; ' ' ' ' ' ': . . ï ç - . - t' ,; . t ;L , ;.- ,- ,.k-'--. -, t' 3Q. 1t :;.:! , :. s..-..ï, ..j 'tj. y' J:)p --.',. l .. t , # . ' . .- . : . , $ .; !: :t:.-f tLtk. ' '; , .. h'-. .è. l ;dk';)k .,v -, ., . SL'...vq' ?-. --. ;iz I ' . r Cki '. ;h . .. . . . . ! li ; . ' p . g

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live on this streek are complaining about the leaves out .

there. They cause certain am'ount of problems on driving, '

from slickness and so forth. Also, I might mention the '

' ' Clty of Knoxville, Knox Countyy Illinoisw contacked me

. sometime ago. They had quike a severe ice storm over a

'.year ago, and khis ended up with a large amount of brushy

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rkilmoàt a mountain of brush piled ouk at the edge. of town . ''.' .

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'''' to burn this, but this took over a year to get rid of this

. ' . pile of brush. This is some of the problems weêve run

' ' ' E'into on burning, and I'm sure the Governor of the state

. ' '' of Illinois, G'overnor Walker, would advocate the passage

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' our People would like to have it passëd. ' Thank you.'''. ''.'

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' ' ' ' ' '' tleman from cook', v . Huskèy. .. ;'' 1...-.'. .> '' ' : 'k. .-;' ' '

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cook county. . The various cities of Evergreen Park, Oak ' -.

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Lawn, Aurorae Chicago Ridge, al1 piêk up their tree branche !' . . * ,. J*' - % .R 1 I '

- and their leaves and take it to the bordering areas of the ' .

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f t reserves in Cook County and burn them there. Nowores p

' I would like for the experts to tell me if it makes the

air any cleaner to burn this inside the forest preserves

than ït does on the perimeter? If they can answer this

question, then maybe I would have a different opinion, but' .

I think we're putting out People in a big disservice, byt... '

' . , . . 't ' ; ' '. . . . j . .. $ . . .. . . ). ..?: +. '. . . .. ., . :' .'. . .. . ' ' ; f o . . - ... ' khe existing 1aw and I urge that everyone vote yes . ... . . . . . -. .. . . . . , . (. y. : .

. . ' g ' j /' ''Ko:.Miller: ''The qentleman from Eranklin, Mr. HarèoG ' ' '' '

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Hart: ''Thank you, Mr. Speakerg Ladies and Gentlemen of tbe '' '

, . . House.' This is really a home rule amendment and takes . .

some of the arbatrariness out of the''present regulations

' of the Environmental Protection Agency. They come through '

' ' ' . . with regulations attempting to soften some of the oppositi n

. ' ' to leaf burning and they come up with the regulation such '

' as this one. that you can burn in towns or villages of ' .

. 2500 or.less, ekcept if youdre adjacent to a city of over 'J '2sco ..sut we happen to have a suburb of Benton called ' ':

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.> ' 1 J r * '' ' - c '' h4s aboùt 8oo'/eople. Benton has about 7000, so thd peopl ''. . '1 , . . z i . . ..l g .j, : , ' ; $ jj' r) .. ( . , . . . . . . . .:. , . . . , . , '.) '. . . . j ! ; )1 . v (. ., ,' d 2j v . . k .7 . . . . ,. . . . . r . . . ' i ' . . r J . r: . ' . .' f. !' ' .1. 2 . d ' ... , : f : ' ' '. ' 1 '' ' . 1.' x'

..L àt west city' nùwtèan't burn leaves because they happened -. . . . x .j 2 . . . . z :. : , ; ' . j L.) J ? I . 2.' . 1, . ' . ' n . . '? . ) a . . . ' . :' ' N . ( 1 '.p - Sjld *.. , 13. (.7, r( . ,1t2. li f : )gt2 , . . . . ' .. ' . ' ' ' ' . ' ' ..' . . .- , I .! . . f ' #' à

' '' i' ' i be lècatèd inmh ediately adjacent to ' Benton. '''And thai' s ' ''O . :y. .w . .' . k 't' n ' u . ' : : j - (; .' (; vc' f k : s. , ' * , . . uk- ... . . .. A *. ;' ,. j . . j L. . . . k. .: . 4 t ..f is 11 ë 2/: <. v' l . ,..:.: , è. . , . r ... t. . a. . . . . :' N . . . : .' ' . ,'. . , . ' . .

just àhè kind qf arbitary regulations that they have t ''fp'' ' . . . j ; . . . . . . : . . y ' . k ..

. ' 'adopted' without particular meaning. I think the people .'.' k , . : - ,. . . . . . ,

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to burn leaves than tùe people in the Environmental .. ' ' ' ' i

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. . j .I like to smell leaves. I think it s one of the.pleasures .

f the fall and I'don't see anything wrong with it-if theO ,

People in a particular area, such as Chicago, E. St.

Louis or other places have some problems, which ah....

override these/ then they can decide that for themselves.' '

But for the rest of us who ah.... have no problem with

' , u-leaf burning/ actually pollutzng the air, to an extent '.' ' 't . w : â . . .,. . . . . . . . ,. , .. . . . q . . , . . . .. .. .. V. . . $ . i ' f J ( : ;. :J 'j : rj 4 ' .. :. . . . . . , ,. . ' , . $ t . : , . . g. .2' e '

' . . b.' .'.. t- .'that i t Would be dangerous , we would ask you to support ' ' , .''. , . . .. . * .

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? ' . ' 1' .% : ' this Bill Thank you very much . '' . ' ' .' ' '' ' '' ',

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' ' K. Miller: ''Gentleman from Knox. Mr. McMaster.'' ' ' '' ' ,' . @ 4 . . .

. . -. . McMaster: ''Ah.... Mr. Speaker, zn the interest of reqazninq :

- ; . the pleasurable smell of burning leaves, I move the pre- '' : y

t ' . . ' ' .' ' vzzous question. .' .' ' ' '. . ! . . . ' . .

K.' Miller:. ''A1l right, the previous question has been moved. .

''' '7All those in favor say Iaye' Opposed 'nay' The 'ayes'' t ' / :' . . . . .

'. . .. have 1t. .' The motxon is carrzed. The Chair recogntzes . .. . . . j

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.:( ',' ( 'the gentleman f rom Macon , Mr. Borchers e to close the de- .

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' $ . ' V '. > ' t. ; . ( ; 1 : . (.) . . 5 6qk . .i,A $ç - z . . . ' : r '. ). t . : . t .J7 r. f : f . , '5. I . . . . . ,; z . . $u.y . . F j . . . . . j . . . % ' . ,. ! . 1 t . . , , . . '' :r' ''7. ' the westbrn ' states , plus other areas of ''the country. It ' s ' '' . 'i . .:. . > . . .. . 1 ' î ' . 4 . t ' è k . é.u' . ' , ' 'o ? . . ' . ' . . , : . , a .'. I . . . ' ' ' . . j t. ;lv k ( . f j' jktj. , .. : .# . . , . . t ; . r kt .1 . . ' . . . r,. . f . . .. .t 55 '. J . m,q p. ..1. j. . ' . , . . < -z ' ) r ' l J ' * ';

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. ' ' our responsibilitye we represent the people here. And the. ' ' '. x .' . . ' . . i .7$ y ..$: .: , !:) ..1 7' . . ' . . . ., '. ' . . ' . - . x, ' . . . ' ) t. 2 ' ' ' à ' * ' ç .z o' 'o / :1 fkk . ' ;$' ?. : . . ' . . . . ' v R i' ' .

'.:. ' people do want 'to have the right to burn their leaves. I .: . ' ' .: , + . . ' .; .. 2 j . . . .. . . .. ... *

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' ' ld' 'ustb'like'tt' o say one thing in' relakion to what thiss : , WOu J ;. . .z ' . I .. 79 i v g . '* '. -d '. ï. ; I . ) . , . - 4 ' n ;. . . j. . . ' . @ I ' ' : 1' ' h ou all'realize it o'r not upon this ''mqans. Whet er y e

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particular bill 'could hang the fate of the EPA. Of al1 . :

things khat anger the people, against the EPA, this ls '

a prime bill. The prime act of the EPA. Correcting this

will relieve a tremendous amount of ah... pressure against .

them. In the Committees, at various times, the Mayors .

of Collinsville, Pekin, ah... Mattoon, ah... Danville and - . .

. others have Eeskified in favor of khis Bill or one like :' '' . .. ,r .

. .. :it a year ago, so I respectfully request your support. I ' '. ..

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. .' ' Z .asgure you again, the People want khis right. Please give 'it a ' es ' VO t e . :9 ' ' ' ' '

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.K. Miller: ''The question is, shall House Bill 43 pass? Those : '

' ''in favor vote 'aye' opposed 'nay'. The gentleman from '#

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.2 ' 'Dupage, Mr. Schheider, to explain his voteo '' ' '

' ... . :' Schneider: NThank youg again, Mr. Speaker. Members of the Hous y '

. I might point out in a request for a variation on the

,' burninq leaf requlation

, in which one of our former Member #r ' . '''' ''' .

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'ï ' Don Hencoy'

was ïnvclAced and who wzoie the variation state-.!r

. ment, which allowed the 2500 municipalitv exemptione'point :' ., , . . . t * * - z t * ''out èhat one Pf

.his concerns was that the principal.... on .?2. . ; ) . :, . ,'t . ., . t. ' ...21.1 . . ' 7 /' '' ',.. ; . 'y .. . $ e! ; z.wa' '.. ' .

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, of thegpki'nè/pàl-problems was tiat wefre going to y,iolate '. ;

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yq'and I wondere Webbery in regàrd to :

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: .' . . .. ' :. ' . . ? -. .this considerationk in the previous Billse,where youtve A'.. .'. talked about minimum siàndards'as thev affect the State ' .

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. u seaezal.govern. . of Illinois and as khey re requlated by t e'

ment, if you've really taken into consider#tion now, the . . .. z ' f ' . , . ' .proposal as it would.affect Federal standards

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that it does not, and I suggest that Don' Hencefs statement '.. 1

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on the open burning leaves is going to create some clear

roblems for us if we support the measure like this . It 'p

may very well violate Federal standards in some areas

of the State of Illinois, and once again, we're making

a blanket skatement about leaf burning and wefre going to

be in trouble with other agencies. I think those of us '

who are downstate, would rather deal with the Stake than

' .they would with the Federal qovernment, so I suqqest that 'V

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. ah.... some of the green lights change their mine and we '. i ; . . :

qet some ' no ' votes up there . '' ' '., .' ' ' ' '! ' . ' :illerr ''Gentleman from Cook Mr. Duff '' ' .X. M e . .

Duff: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I'v' . .y

opposed a1l of the other Bills to 'cut back on the Environ- '

mental Protection Agency and the Pollution Control Boardg

nd some years baci, I wàs th'e first proponent J.n my owna

village to push fortthe adoption of a leaf burning ordi-

. nance on a local basis. .But / feel khat the EPA has got

its pr'iorities out of lineycand I Ehink being a new agepcy,) . .. . .

. which must nuture the confidence of the People in order

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. importànt..taàks, -thab thev must ùùt oass bills. :'. ordinanc s .' -- : . ' . z ' ' + ' b ' -* . ': ' ) -r ** ' . A é ' ' ' ' ' * 1 A '. E .. . . ....i i..r . . J k ....,% . . .. ; . . .. . . , ... ..: +. f . .:. t t,- .. z..x . .x é 7. ).sr't t ;. . . . . - . . -5 f ,

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like thisy which promote a ,disrespect. foA'ithe'lak and a' .. : . '.. . . . .. ' . . x 4 t f . $'. 1 . r' x%

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disobedience to the law, much Ehe same as laws on prohibi- . ' '. . . . r - ' .;;1 k.œ : .

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tion. I think the' EPA has got to be told thd: we admire '... ..' ., ; , $ . .: - . . :. q . ; . J 1. l . . .. .. . . . : ;.. , ; e , '

S it sigkiiicanE'' bui it has '. it, we support it, we aoùsider .. . . ; . ' . ' ' * ' '. . .. . . .. . . . *: . . ,

' got to be responsive to the will of the Peopfe of Illinois, ,.. . . . @ ..

who elect everybody here'in the General Assembly. I voke .'. J

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.' ' t C G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y ' . . ' , '; -* . . ' '' ' IYATK OF ILUINOIS - '* ' ' ' ' ' .t - . . . . . ' q' .. .q /:/ :tjijjr.u:r' a1 . k . . . . . , . .+r ' N * kl S E Q F R E P R E S E PI T A T l V ES ' .V . . . . - . J . .

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no. I vote 'aye'. I'm sorry.'' .

K. Miller: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Lundy.'' ' '

LundY: ''Mr Speakere Ladies and Gentlemen of the House: in '

explaining my vote, let me point cut to the Members of

this House, that we are not talking about restricting

small municipalities. As has been pointed out here, an

opinion was issued last year in November, which exempts .. . . . . . . , ' ' . t . k

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.. . , . ' . ; .z . ; . , $ .

. from the leaf burning regulation, municipalities of under ï',.fv. . . ;

2500 residences. ' Now that exemption to the regulation has '

been in effect less than six months. We really have had

no opporkunities to see what effect it will have: whether ' .

it will in fàct, lessen the burden of small municipalities,

' which are the municipalities most concerned about this .

. z! ' . j ' 4 'problem. Therefore, I urqe that we vote no on this

Bill and sive the èxemption khat was written into the .' '' z

'

. ' 7 '' regulatfons last year, an opporkunity to be effective and ' .

. ' ' ' ) 'i ffect before ' 'give oursel/es an opportunity to see ts e

. ' 1 ' . . 'we pass a sweepiHg prohibition such as this.' ' ' ' '' -. . . : .e . , . . .) . (. .. , . . . , c :j . . . . . i . ;.iller: '. ''Gentleman f rom sangamon, Mr . Jones . '' .' . 'r . .'' . '' ' .K .. M . , , . , .. . ; . . .

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Jones : . - ''Ah *:*.7 . .Mré ''rspeaker # ' Ladies and Gentlemen of 'the House , , . ' ' .. j . :, .. . ... . . . . . . . . ( z .. . z' J .t . . . . . . . j . . : . r . . t !. . . t'; , t to . .as a Co-sponsor df this leqislation, I want o pepor .; , . . ' ' . . . . . . . ' .

' . . . . .i$ . . . .. ' r! i ,-.b L? i '- , . . : . . , . .. é i .1 . ) ' . ' ?. . . ' a y 1 : ' . . z t . -' ' ' k ' ' . & J.' '. z jj .;' : z . : . : N . t ', f ' % . . .' ' . >' ' ...-. . , ' k('Ir. * . ' , ;! . .k' . * , ' ' ... s , y. aystric .. ,.L you'thak no Oni item Of concern to the People. o my ,,. .

r . ' ' t' ; . .' ' . ' t ) '. ' . ' ' .. z,. ' . .

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.. . . . . , . (' ' j.'. y i;.. ..' :? . . , ' . ; j 4 .' : : ... : y '. 'f r ..ev. ) .'iJi.(. ' : ?, ; , . . , ç . g y. . . . . J: . I t ..ds that'of the leaf burning issue; which Would be '..u' '.-' excee . ; .. .. ' ;: y . . ., . . , ' :. , k. ,., . . . . . , . . ; ., . . : . . . . . , . .' k . ' . , . . J . ; t p

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r .'lved by this pboposed legislatioé. .It even transcends .êl'reso

. , . . . , : . , . . , ï jv, . k' b d et if I may say so. From ' 'e.our 7 and l/2 billion dollar u g , .J,

. . . . . : . . . . 4 t .the President of a large insurance company. with a lake ' ..ë

h d dozens of treesk to a little'old lady who said 'ome an

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she coûldn't afford to buy the bags to put the leaves ing

to folks in some community areas, where the leaves must '

be transported some 25 miles to the nearest dump, there is

opposition to the current regulations by the People of ' '

this Diskrict. We have said that the Public is in general

support of khe objectives of the EPA, but as Iêve stated- '- in the pressy'-its'objectives must be Eempered with common 7

. !' ; . : '. J # . . x . . 9 $ ' ' . ' . ' ' . . . w.. . . -... i .. r . ?. v . ( . . , . ' . ,. ; 1 J . ' ' ' f *'' . ' .,f.k ' î'.- sense . ' ' I 'rn voking ' yes ' on this Bill , as a common sense .' '. . '! j . j . .

. .' l:. ' . ' . . , . . . ? t '., . ) ' . . ; '. ky . ': . ' ' .: ':,s,.'., responseyvto'the voice of the people in this District, and -..

' ''' ' ' ' I li hts to make it pass on 89 votes . > ''? urqe more qreen q

' K Miller: ''The enklemvn from Maccoupin Mr. Boyl e.'eg. V . ; .. . . , y . . .. , . , ?! ' I s ' . .. . , T . . .J I A ; . ' . '' ' *1 nThank yo'u- Mr. speaker. I like Represenkative DuffBoy e: , ,

' . 'k , . . . . . . J . .. was opposed toqthe other 'Bills in Webber's package, but I

. ' .'

k'do feel as thbuih' this' is an area that should be left to. . . , . à . w . . .

' the local units of government to control. I believe that ,'' . . ' ' ' .. , ' ' ' z

' ld be better off to'let'the people rule themselves ' .. we wou .

.'.. at home, and I do think that this is a proper area that '' 'z . ' ' '. . . $; j, k) .. . . r r . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. ' : should be removed from the'jurisdictiontof the EPA, and '

. - < . . - . . : .. , ; :1 k .; '. . . ., . .. ( . y . $ . .' . .; ' t ' ' i ' 'e * ' '< . ' tz ?' ' ' * .. : '' . . j .. ' '. t . ' '1'

. ' , nso I'm happy to vote.'yes.'.on this, your last bill, Webberp' ' :

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. r ., ) . . . ., , . tj y j . .. J). f 1. ,'. . j . :.... 'sv. i , . r y ' . . . ... : . '. ! 4. .!. . ',q ;. ( o ..q . , . j ' .. q . . . ) . & ., , . j . . . .,, w u xr pyajjard walsh desire ' J .

, K . Miller z .z . , The gentleman f rom Coo f . f . , $;. . . k . - : '.$ . . .7 ' x. . - ; .' ' (. ' ' x': -* ' ' ' ' b û è ) t i ' + $ '' t . ? 1! e : 1 J 1c j .g . ' . ' L.àL ' , ' . .' . '* .u ' . ' - ' O.x . . .. . . . - ,p ' , . t. ç >. . ! z2 . 1 . ' . . m y . . . . 4S : . : 1, , r. . ry . : . .a r jl . 14 i . ' . : : r 'g $ y4 . -6 A . . i . . . .. k . zr i . $. . lt ) ' . t . '. ' < ' ' .. ' î 41 . '; ! , . ' 4 y y i 'j .. : ): )'.. ï ' a ,. . u ( é . ,-z j(.. ; r: . j k . y j. .J% iyjryjy : a .. . . ) . ; ', . 4 . -', ' :. ) y.

. . .. .. to explain h:k s vote ? . . . . . ' . ' ! : .'. i .'i : y, k'r't ' ' . .-. t,.j.4j j .... . t :.. . . t . . .. , r.. ',. . . . :/ ... . - a g..,.., :.'.. r . . ;: ; 7 . . l , t r .' u,;y , , . et :. ,.. ;,; ... , , ! , .. ; . , ; . ..q .;:-. vq. . . j. . . d . . . . . . . .' Walshz''.''well Mr. àpeaker, Ladiss and. Gentlemen of the House, ,L'

. J. k ' . # .. . . , . . . . . $ .1 . z w . 4 K ,'$ . ) l , :' .! ' y ; s . . ' $ g . ' ' tT * , . . # 4 .kj ,' . $ ' ' J N &. j ., v. . -.'y .; . . ' . ' ' / '.j* 1 . l ' .) ' t.: ) d J 4: 1 ''. $% ' ' ' $ 'l , ' wl 4 '. ,... ; . uis.series if '- . :' Ig tOO, OPPOSe the ah... Other Bills In t .. . . ' . p. , t ), . ' ; , . ' . , . '( ' $ . ' . j'. . ; Y . : : 'you could call it that, but I do not see any oblection to .

this Bille and I would suggest the Momhership ah.... refer

tO the last Paragraph of the Bill, which does not prohibit' -a't ' ' ' 't

. . ' . : ' . ' '. . '' . ' : ' . .

' ' municipalities from controlling the burnlng of leaves ah... '

T ' . . . .t . (' . , '. G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y . ' .. .v @ . .' ' ' ' s - ', . . . >T'A.'T'E oF 1 uul NoI . .' î, - . q' ' : i ' . 'C sï Y = ' ' ' ' ' Motzse oe Rw..y.esee4mA'rlvls ' ' - ' ' '' . '' ': . i2 -. ' ' . l . . ' . . '' . .( '

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by ordinance themselves. As a matker of factz from ah...

being from suburban Cook County, I live in a village which

does not permit the burning of leaves. However, I do not

hi bjectionable to letting every area determine 'see anyt ng o

that for themselves. To me, this is an area that ah....

the Pollution Control Board probably should not concern

itself with. I khink its something that the ah.... local ''' . areas can determine from themselves and I would urge an . :

' . aye ' vote . '' ' . ' '. yj

. jy . . .K. Miller: The gentleman from Lake, Mr. Deuster. .

Deuster: ''Mr. Speaker, as a sponsor of a similar piece of ' V

legislation I want to express my wholehearted support. #'

'for this Bill. Thebe are éome subjects that are best

regulated on the Federal level of governmente there are

some that by their nature are best regulated on the State

level, and there are some, if you're interested in . .

strengthening local government, that are best appropriately

r egulated on the lacal level. Lthaf burning is one . And' ' ) .

I support khis Bill because I wank to strengthen khe. . . . . ,. . : .. . . . jEnvironmental Protection Agency's good name and I want to

7 promote the éause of cleaning up the air and the eùviron-. ''* .

''' - . . ' .. : . : : . ; . '

'ï 'i m d'istrict the EPA has a bad .ment. Unfortunate y, n y , a

name because of the' ridiculous nature of the regulations

leaézburning. : The regulations, in the event none of . ' .on

' 'you have read 'them, have no relation to the number of trees

ou ' ve got or to the number of leaves and they have an 'y .

arbitrary reference to how far you live from a sound of.v .

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a certain population. This is a good Bill. It will

strengthen local government. It will allow the banning

! of leaf burning, where it needs to be banned, and it will

allow some discretion and flexibility of enforcing the: '

laws designed to protect our enviromnent, and I vote Iyes f

and ttrge a11 of you ko kurn on khe green light for thisf1 ' ' ' ' ' ' 1' J'

. Bi l 1 . . : . . . . . . . . . .

, ' ! '; ' 'K. Miller: ''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Mann.'' ' .

Mann: ''We11 Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, I want to

apologize for taking a 1ot of time of the House on this

series of Bills. But I feel very strongly that if you pass

this Billy you are knuckling under to the special interests

' of this State who want to wipe out the entire EPA. You

: were knucking under to the People who consider dollars

more important than our environment. You are Rnuckling

' under to people who want to use this Bill as a wedge to

destroy the strongest Environmental Proteckion Agency in

' the World. Now the issue here is not local government.

The issue is, what is more important, dollars o/'human' . . . , . . C. :1 . .' '

: :' life? And lek's lay it right on the line, Mrn speaker and

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. Members of .he uouse. we're tazkzng asout human aives. we .. . . . : : z

. . . . :happen io need air in .order to live, ané if the gentleman '

. ' . ' .1 . t '. from Decatur w'izz introduce a Bill proviaing for gas wasks .

for everybody in the state of Illinois/ zneluding those. , . . . .

in Decatur, I will glàdly support it, but the fact of the

matter is that this Bill will poison our atmosphere, poison

our lungs and poison our animal life. Now let's face up

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to what welre doing here. This Bill was a product of the .

Ogilvie Administration. We now have one of the fine legal '

minds ànd conservationists in the State of Illinois, Mary

Lee Lahey, as theqchairman of EPA. I want to give Mary '' 5. ' ' , . ; . . .

Lee Lahey an opportunitv' to do her job. And I'm selfish

about the lives of not only my constituents, but everyone '. . l . . t . . .in this State. : Mr. Chairman, you can rationaltze a11 you '.'

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' ' Fant about the right of a few people to rake a few leaves, .. J.

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but we're talking about our air and this Bill will poison ', . ' l .Jour air. .lt's a bad bill and I ask you to vote 'nol and

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' Mr. Chairman, I'd ask one more thingz before you announce

the vote, I would like to be recognized for a motion.'' . ..

E. Miller: .''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Rayson.'' .

Rayson: ' Thank youg Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I

. sat in contrained silence up to now, and these series of' asures but in light of the votes on the board, I think 'me

,. ' ; . '

u I should explain my vpte by sa#ing this. Pirst, this may ,' ' be one of the most important bills that we might vote on

' .,. ' .. . in this Session of the General Assembly. .Because its . '

' '? ' ' ikical battle between the Environmental Protection ..' .:.' + w a Cr1 ' ' ' . * L . '. . r . . , . . )t . ' 1 .. J . ' . ' , '

. :' Agency and local interests. Now weere al1 inviewed with ,'..e : - . . ' . .' . . . , . ' ' ?. . 1 ' '. ' . .. 'L i e' .

' Q'' various philosophies of hpme rule and local people can 'do ' 0. , . . . . '. . 4

, . their thing the best, but in this Area where 'our environ- '. . . . . . ,

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l . . 'p . : .' '

hi hest priority that I suggest we '. .. ment is perhaps our g

should keep and protect the right of the EPA to govern '

' these kinds of'regulakions. It doesn't throw out the '.' ' ' f

' window of local concurrent powere whether its municipal ' '

. 'i EX ERA L A ssEM Bty ', . . y . .. GI 9% .?k , ' ' . svxvs .,, Iuulxops . . .

= . : , . . . . . , .'N7 ..,Z= . ' Hous? oe REPRESE-TATIVES .' 'k

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or county or whateverk Ik merely suggests thak open '

burning is open fatality and in some areas of life, it

can best be controlled through our' State agency, which '

is doing a job. second, let me give you a brief example. f . .

of what I mean. This morninge we were requested by the

trûstees af the Mark Praikie, 115 acres of fine prairie '

. . ' ' . k :. property, which is now in the hands of the Northern Illino s .

' . University Trustees, to safeguard this for future historic l :

. '1L . ''and proper environmental use. The kind of vegekation on ';

this prairie requires burning your leaves. They sent me. s ' ' .

. a letter yesterday already this morning we went to the ' '

. .. 'EPA and got a permit. Theydre the guardian of our environ .' ment. I ask of this vote, I vote 'no' and that others ' '#

might follow the leadero'' ' .

K. Miller: DThe gentleman from Madisony Mr. Walters.l' .'' Walters: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In explaining my vote, I .

. . . ' . . think Rep.resentaki vIa Multn is cc rrect. when ha said zahe

' ' . .' issue is not the metropolitan areas. The issue is the - /'' ''

' i hts of the People of the State of Illinois and I would ' ' ''' '. . ' r g .1 . . . . . . . . . . . ; . . . . . . . . . . . .. ; ( . . . $. :j. :k. ,r)- . ' . . z. . ,. . '. ' :'.' ;. like to commend the gentleman from Macon for hang ng .. .?; . . . . . .IL . t . . ,

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' ' ...'y' tùere. ,1 voted for the other Bills, primarily to 1et the , '. ; . . - . .. . '':.'' . . EPA know that thev do not have carte blanche in this . , ' J '.'.

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'.legislature anymore, but ôn this Bill. I think it's a ' '.:,'

. ! . . . . . . . . )' ' Peoples Bill,- an'd I wani to conqratulate Representative . ' .' . ''' . ''' . ' :

. . Borchers. Before I turn my green light on, Mr. Speaker, : . !. . ' ' ' . ':

' I'd like'to tell everyone if they want tickets for the

basketball game .tonight between Quincy and Lincoln, they

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should see Representative Joe Gibbsy Mike Mcclain or

Mary Lou Kent. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.''' K Miller: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Lechowicz.''

7 Lechowicz: HThank you, Mr. Spepker, Ladies and Gentlemen of:h . .

i the House. I'd just like to poink out one fact, that when '

,; this Bill was introduced lask year in khe General Assembly,

y . 'At never came out of thetEnfironment Committee. And there - '. . . . ,. . . . .

. was testimony both pro and con on this Bill. The distingu'shed

Member pointed out there were a few mayors from downstate .'

' that came and testified in behalf of the Bill. But he ' '

also failed ko mention that the Environmental Protection '

Agency was opposed to it, and the Members of that Committe

were also opposed to it because ik was the first of a seri s

. of Bills to remove the powers of the Environmental Protec-

tion Agency. Ladies and Gentlemen, when you rake leaves '. . t . '

and you burn, it creates smoke and smoke is pollution.

Depending upon the Rendleï.lan Chart to the degree of pollu-. N

. tion. Air pollution does not know any boundaries. What .. .

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. ' vou do in Decatur or Chicago or vice versa, once it qets .'. . !; . . . ' . ' ' ... . . w' . st ' ' ) . . . ' : ' t ' '

.' '' in the air sirèam,'it requires the consistent application .,'..''. j ' . .. * , . L; . ' , , . :' . . g ',;. .,. . t . . , . . :; . ; .. 3ï. . . ,' : of all thebpeople.in the State of Illinois. What you do ' .'.

. . ' .. g !'' r ' ;.'. is really what everyone does to one another, its a series ,. . . . . . : ,

' ' . of'degrees of controlling poïlution, and this Bill will '. '.'.'

' remove this conkrol, and I would hope that the Members ' '. ' '

' would vote against it . '' ; ''..

x. Miller: ''Have a'll voted who wished?'' The Lady from Lake, '

Més. Geo-Karïs. . '

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Geo-Karfs: 'eMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Housey ''

will you please record me as voting 'presenkd.''%

# K. Miller: ''Record the Lady as voting Ipresent'. Have al1 vot

who wished? Take the Record. Por what purpose does the

' gentleman from Cooke Mr. Mann, arise?''

j . . . . , . : , . , , .Mannr /Wellg Mr. speaker and Members of the House, I desire to

d ' * i # J z!'! make a motion Ilve been here 12 years and I want the Q '' .'X

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. , Sponsory.,for whom I have a hiqh personal reqardy to under- ' . .

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' ' ' . '. .stand that this motion has no personal reference to him, . ' :

and I do recognize the right of a sponsor to control his' ' ''

' own bills, but I doltthink tha: this matter is so importani

that T would like to bring to the attention of the House, . '' .

, some scienkific egidence which sprang from the hearings

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which resulted in this particular part of the EPA being. . . . ' ' . .

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' enacted. Therefore, 'wzkth almost an apology to the gentle-. .

. . . . . : .

..; . man from Macon, but with consideration.y.k.'' :' ' '

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KJ Miller: nlus: a momert, do yeu want to make a motion?'' '. . . : ' ' ' 1 . ' .

Mannn nYes: I wank to move that this Bill be Placed on post- . : .

' . z . vz y: ., . ' . : p ' . & .,,.. poned consideration. , . . . ' . :1 . ; . ' L. . e :, ;:( . .. . . .

i5 . . j : . , k: e ' '. .. . g . $ . , . . ., .. . I . .. . . . , .1 . . v. . $ . .. p. , . , . .r , . $. . t )à . . . g .. ë. yj . . . k . . ; 'K. Miller: '.. The Chairzis.qoina to rule. Mr. Mann, Ehat under . t' , . . .

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. Rule.38y..which is.the one that is involved n Pos p . .. ,

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; . . . ; . : . x ' . .. , â .'. motiont; Therefore, your motion is hereby'declared out of ' '

orderk' On this question: there were lli ayes e 4 nays , ,. . a . . k . . J 'k . ' .

' 2 ' resent' and thiks Bikll having received the constitutio al '17' 1, . , 1, . - . - .j . ç : ' . ' ) I . ' ' . ' ' ' '

. ' .'.v . ' . i 'Maaority, is hereby declared passed. Gentleman ro

Lawrence<

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Cunningham: OMr. Speaker, having voted on the prevailing side,FQ I move that we reconsider the vote on this Bil1.

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K. Miller: ''Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Simmso'''

Simmsz /1 move thak motion lie upon the table.''') . '

' K . Miller: lYoubve heard theemotion. A11 those in favor,

say 'aye', those opposed fnay'. The 'ayesf have it and '

the motion's adopted. With leave of the House, we will J'

now proceed. It's about time to adjourn for the day for. f .

ittee meetings. We will not go to the order ofComm

' i din î' ' ' ' ' 1f r S t re a g . .

F B. Selc' ke: ''House Bill 632. Hart et al. Appropriates

$40,000 to the Department of Transportation in Williamson '

' County. Pirst Reading of the Bill. House Bill 633. Crai

et a1. Amends the ordinary and contingent appropriation

Act for Secretary of State. First Readinq of the Bill.'' '

K. Miller: ''Just a minute, Mr. Clerk. The gentleman from

Cook, Mr. Mann, desires recognition on a point of personal

privilege. You shall have that right, Sir, for two .

inutes.'' ' ' ' .m

Mann: ''We11, Mr. Speaker, I didn't know that there was nay '

rule limiting the amount of time a genilemen can speak on' the matter of personal privilege. Now, Mr. Speaker, you

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know of my high personal regard for you! We have served '

together and therefore what I am about to say has no per- ' I' !y '!

sonal feference to you, Mr. Speaker, but Mr. Speaker, you v

just run rough-shot over the procedure of this House. Wespent a monthe we spent a monthy Mr. Speaker, trying to '

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enact reform legislation, and you refuse to recognize a '.

Member of the House on one of the most important Bills .

wefve had this Sesson, Mr.' Speaker, and I .....f'

K Miller: ''Just a moment, Mr. Mann. Mr. Mann, I did recognizai

you, several times today, and I don't like that offense

to the lChair . '' .. ' .' .. ; . ' . ; '

Mann: ''The' vote was taken, Mr. Speaker. You recognized me '

after the vote was taken-'' . '

' K. Miller: l'I recognized you before. Mr. Clerk, proceed with' ' the Introduction of First Reading of Bills.f'

F. B. Selcke: ''House Bill 634. Blair et al. Amends Retailers' .' Occupation Use Tax Act. First Reading of the Bil1.''

' K. Miller: ''The Chair recognizes the gëntleman'from Will,

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Blair: ''Mr. Speaker, ah... I hesitate to ah... comment on ,

this particular Bill, following this ah... activity that

welvo ha0 on the Fzoor. I was delighted thet vou wer: ul' '

there handling it in a very fine fashion, Mr. Speaker, and'

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' ah... I would like to call the Membership's attention to

.' my remarks. It will just take a couple of minutes. The... .. . ' ' . ' ' .

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last Wednesday, the Governor and his budget message, indi-

cated that he was proposing for the first time, an increas. . .' :

in the exempezons on ehe state income tax, from $z,cno per' QXSOZ YO $ 1, 350 Per Person y and he indicated Yhat khat ' iV

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$350 increase'relates to the tax on food and medecine.

NOW nothing could be further from the truth. There is no

.t '.relationship between the exemption on the State income tax

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and food and drug, in any way whatsoever. Now House

Bill 634, whlch has just been read a first time, is a .

House Republican Leadership program that is designed to

bring immediate, direct release to the beliqered taxpayers.MT .

of Illinois. It will cut'the State's share of the sales

tax on food purchased at the grocery store and medecine

by two cents. The sales tax impacts regressively and it .

. ' '' . is our opinion that the only way to relieve People of its

burden is'to cut it directly. The Housewife, the student, .

the golden ager, will al1 receive the benefit at the momen

. the legïslation becomes law. There will be no forms to

be filled out in April, 1974 or anyother April such as

suggested by Governor Walker. No one who purchases food

' and medècines will be missed because he didn't know....''

' K. Miller: ''Just a minute, Mr. Speaker. The gentleman from :

' Union, Mr. choate, is recognized-'' '

Choate: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker, temporary Speaker on the rostrum

' d the Speaker on the floor of the House, that' is talkingan

on a Bill that is I guess is on khe Order of Pirst Reading

I have'been around here a considerable'length of time, but

'this is the first time that Iîve really seen a press re- '

' lease made publicly on the floor of the' House when a Bill ' '

is on the order of Pirst Reading. I would suggest, Mr.

. speaker, that the Speaker is out of Order, sfmply because

' he's talking 'ab6ut the Governor's budget message of a week E

or so ago and certainly I recognize his right to either

agree or disagree with the contents of that message. Howe er,

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it is debatable as ko whether he is correct when he accuse

the Governor af not giving tax relief to People of the

State of Illinois. I happen to see a television man on

the street type of thing last evening, and although the

commentator summed up those happenings as it not maybe '

being the tax relief that he thoughk should be given, it

. seemed to me that every person interviewed was in agree-

ment that it was a tax relief program. I would suggest,

Mrw Speakery that we proceed with the order of business on

the floor of the House and get about the adjournment so' we can have committees and save our news co/ferences to -

K. Miller: ''The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Cook, Mr. '

. Walsh: ''Well, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, this is not

it very .fr.'equently , 'an unusual pracadure axt all . We see

. when People have Bills that ah...- they want to solicit

sponsorship for. They tell the Momhers that theytrek 'introducing the Bill and solicit their sponsorship, and .

that's exactly what the gentleman from Will is doing in . :.

this instance. And I might point out.... may I'Point out, '

that I didn't interrupt the gentleman, the Minority Leader:

because I wanted to 1et him finish his remarks, 5ut on the

question of press releases, I've seen press releases come

at some of 'the darnest times and as recently as about .2

minutes ago when a gentleman did it on a point of personal

c. .

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K. Miller: ''Gehtleman from Cook, Mr. Sheaa''

Shea: ''We11# Mr. Speaker: I realize that many of us take an '

opportunity when we intro/uce bills to try to explain it. . . ? . . . . .

and I'm sure that's whak the Speaker did now. It seems

that his party was one upsman by our Governor and ah.... '

. - this is an atkempt to recdop, but as the Minority Leader .' ' ''

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'says, maybe this isn't the spot to do ito'' '' . '

K. Miller: ''Chair recognizes the gentleman from Will, Mr. '. .

jj %.Blair ' . '' ' .

nnmher of occasionse when Bills of ah... great significand

' ' were introduced that we allowed ah... the Members an oppor

tunity to make a brief explanation of the content of the '

Bills so that if there were Members that desired to become

co-sponsors, they could do just. that. And certainly, in tke '

area of taxpayer relief, I would invite the Members on khe

ide of the aisle to become co-sponsors with the ' *.'. other s ,. ' ' . . .

. . ' ; .House Republican Leadership of a Bill that will provide '.'

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qur housewives with immediate reliefy 30 days after thisl - ' . '

. Bill is siqned by the Governor. the housewife will be .. . ? , . . . . . ,

'' able to go into the grocery store and when she buys . . .' -

' foods, let's say $20, instead of having to pay $1 tax for '

the sale, .she'll only have to pay $.60. Now no one who .

purchases'food and medecines will be missed. because he

didn't know about applying for a negative income tax grant. (

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' as proposed by Governor Walker. And this proposal has

the added recommendation of making good fiscal sense. .

If a tax is burdensome, discriminatory and reqressive,

then to relieve its burden, we should act directly, not

try the gimic of using one tax to offset another. We in

the House Republican Leadership, believe khat the best

course of action is to put our present revenue system in

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order before we aktempt to adopt a revolutionary new con- ' '

. cept such as a negative income tax proposed by the Governo .

' Durinq the 77th General Assembly, we initiated and enacted '

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legislation to bring tax relief to the personal property

' ' taxpayer, the homeowner, homestead exemption ànd the elder

and we will shortly reintroduce our property tax freeze

legislation and we don't intend to stop here. As soon as' , . T. '

ik becomes fiscally sound to do it, we will introduce $.

' legislation to further cut reqressive taxes and our revenu

. base. At a time when women are organizing and joining .

' meatless Thursday campaigns and ,when the ccst of livinq

in general is so high, we want to devote ourselves to givi

the taxpayer reliefe he will notice tomorrow in his Yocket-. h . . t! '

book and we invite'you to join wkth us in the best interes# ,

f the taxpayers of Illinpis . '' '' ' ' ' ' '' S:-' '. o : f .

K. Miller: ''The kentleman from Union, Mr. Choate, is recog- ... . - .1 : '

n i zed . . . . . , ' . '. - . : . , , ' . .' Choate: ''Iêd like to ask the ah.... Speaker a question about

the contents of his Bill.. ' . .

Blair: ''We1l, 1111 be happy to yield if yougll provide us with

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the vote to advance to Second Reading without referencee

because I know youlre as anxious as we are to advance on

this benefit ta the taxpayero''

Choate: HIt seems like I was anxious two years before you, Mr.

speaker, because it seems that I was'a co-sponsor of Bills

. to reduce the sales tax on food and medecines which you''

. Jbpposed in previous sesslons. But that lsn't what I wante' i there anything in 'to ask you. I wanted to ask you, s

your Bill ah... to do with property tax relief to bring. r)

about the things that youfre just talking about a second '

ago? '' ' . .

Blair: ''No, I was highlighting that those were Republican ..

, ' proposals that we passed out of this Assembly in the last

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Choate: ''Did you have Democratic support?''

Blair: ''Well, I'd hope so, just like we expect to have it on'Llti.s . bil l . '' ;

Choate: ''We1l, I doubtkthat, but ah... needless to say, my

point of order is, you just heard the Speaker admit that

in his explanation of why maybe he would solicit sponsor-

ship to ihis Bill, which is a1l right with me, as long .

as he sticks to the contents of the Billy and he's just '

admitted that he wasn't talking about the B1ll.''

K. Millerë ''For what purpose does the gentleman from Cook,

Mr. Maragos, arise?l' ' ' .

Maragos: ''May I ask the'sponsor of the Bill à question? For

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) the purpose of determining whether or not I want to be

a sponsor along with him-''

K. Miller: Nfedre not on that now, but if the Speaker cares

Maragos: f'Mr. Speaker, will you please explain ko me, What you

Bill supposedly does in the area of traininq the per-. . ' ;' ' sonnel who's going to determine what is food and what '

is drugs, when they go to a hardware store, when they go'

, to a grocery store that sells hardwareo''

Blair: ''We have looked intp that rather closely: and the ah...J . .

definition of food, as it would be being applied, ah....

. in our retail outlets would be those things that are edible

solids or nonalcholic liquids.'' ,

Maragosz eAnd what procedures are you going to use to have

persons when a product is delivered by other than the

tore or a checkout counter?'' ' 'grocery s

Blair z ''Other than whad? '' . ' ' ' ' ' '

Maragos: ''The only relief that's provided here is ah... for

the sale ah.... where it is taken off the premises for

'' tion and it ipplies only to 'a food item. It woul. a consump. .

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' not be considered with food in other areas where the food' ) .

is not beinqv... will be taxed if delivered to your home, '

din to your bill, at 'only at the time it is checked accor gJ

11 . ' . :the counter. .

Blair: ''It will not... there is not ah... relief provided

for ah... foods served in restaurants because we don't

consider that to be a necessity: but certainly the purchasea.--.;- k-2' .

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of food items in a grocery store is a necessity and this

will give the relief that we think is so necessary with '. . :

regard to the regressive features of khe sales tax.'' '

Maragos: ''We11y I agree with you. Iêm a sponsor of bills righ

now to give relief agains: sales tax, but it's a moreuniform and more constitutional method. I think, Mr.

Speaker, that your bill is going to need some hurdles in

' ' order to overcome a 1ot of constitutional hurdles because .

of uniformity in approach is to whether yöu're going to .

give a proper relief, and thak's why:l'm questioning it

. and that': why I will think I will not be a sponsor of

l ' ' ' ' 'that Billof

Blair: ''We're satisfied that there is a reasonable classificat'on

'kikh regard to the retail occupàkion of selling food and '

' that this Bill will stand the constitutionality testy Mr. '

' Maragosz' ' ' ' '

K. Miller: ''Gentlemen, the Chair is of the opinion that ah... '

' thi's disctlssion sllo Jl6. nof. cont.inue at this stage, becaus LA '

this is on the First Reading of the Bill. The Chair has

been inclined to be very lenient in this regard, but it ' .. . 1 . ..

'is pass time we should adjourn and T hope you agree with' .

me. The qentleman from Cook. Mr. Sheao''

Shea: ''I notice on the face of a Billz it sa#â that a fiscal

note may be applicable, and I would at this timee request' of Mr. Blair for a fiscal note on this Bi1l.'' '

K. Miller: ''I'm sure,' in accordance with the rules, a fiscàl

note will be supplied. Proceed, Mr- Clerka/ '. '

zv '.î . .wy o E x E R x t, A s s E M B L Yf - . k l .) . . . svxq.s oe j uulxojs .

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' F. B. Selcke: ''House Bill 635. Taylor. Bill for an Act to

create the Funeral Expense Study Commission Act. First

Reading of the Bill. House Bill 636. Taylor. Appropri-

ates $10,000 Funeral Expense Study Commission. First

Reading of the Bi11. House Bill 637. Kozubowski et a1. '

Amends the Liquor Conkrol Act. Firsk Reading cf the

Bill. 638. Londrigan et al. Amends State Finance Act.

. Pirst Reading of the Bill. 639.* R. A. Walshwet al. .

. Amends Illinois Financial Assistance Act. Pirst Reading

of the Bill. 640. Williams et a1. Appropriates u% .

' f ive mJ.1l ion dellars to Department of Transportation..

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Pirst Reading of the Bill. 641. Williams et al. An

Act authorizing the Department of Transportation to make

an examination and study for the purpose of flood relief

of Silver Creek. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill

' 642. Pappas et a1. Directs the Department of Transpor-

tation to make an engineering surveyo:aFirst Reading of '

the Bill. House Bill 643/ Berman et a1. Amends khe

PUXlic Utility Act. Pirst Reading Of the Bill. Hous,y . : .Bi11 644. Farley et a1. Amends Illinois Public Aid '

, : ' ' '.

. ' code. First' Reading of the Bill. Housq Bill 645. Lemke

et al. Amends the Workmen's 'occupational Disease Act. ,

First Re#ding of the Bill. House Bill 64. Lemke et al.

Amends the Workmen's Compensation Act. First Reading of

the Bill. House Bill 647. Stone et al. .Amends the Publi

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Junior college Act. First Reading of the Bill. House

. Bill 648. Harpstrite et a1. Amends dog licensing Act.

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First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 649. Hart et al.

Amends Revenue Act. First Reading of the Bill. House '

Bill 650. Kucharski et al. Creates an Act eoncerning .

the right of medical personnel to refuse to perform. ?abortions. First Reading of the Bi11. House Bill 651.

' Lemke et a1. Amends a negotiable instruments Act. First

Reading of the Bill. 652. Griesheimer. Bill for an Act .' '.

' ko add a section to the North Shore Sanitary District Act. '.

, First Reading of the Bil1. House Bill 653. Murphy et a1.

Establishes the Chain of Lakes Study Commission. First

' 'Reading of the Bil1. House Bill 654. iqurphy et a1.

Appropriates $25,000 to the Chain of Lakes Study Commision.' lirst Reading of the Bill. 655. Porter. Makes changes

enacted Eo section 2 of P.A. 77-2062. First Reading of

the Bi11. House Bill 656. Grotberg, et al. Amends

,. county Airports Act. eirst Reading of the Bill. House

Bill 657. Redmond et a1. Amends the Local Mass Transit; . ' . ' J

. District Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill

' 658. Duff et a1. An Act in relation to the idemnificatio

,of private citizens who suffer injury or damage in con-' nection with commision of crime. First Reading of the '

Bill. House Bill 659. McGrew. Amends Public Utilities

Act-' First Reading of the Bi1l-.' '

K. Miller: ''For what purpose does the gentleman from Dupagey

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LaFleur: ''Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask leave to add

Representative Jack Hill to House Joint Resolution No. 17 .''

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K. Miller: DDoes gentleman have leave? Leave is granted. Wi1. .: .

be so done. Ah... with leave of the House, wedll now go

into announcements including announcements of committee

meekings. For this purpo4e, we will first recognize the

gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. North.'' '

North: '1Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I woul'. Iike to announce that the Cities and Villages Committee

will be meeting in Room M-3, instead of D-l. We will be

. meeting in Room M-3 at 2:00.'9 '

K. Miller: ''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. J. J. Wolf.''

Wolfz ''Mr. Speaker and those Members who are on a Revenue

subcommittee, which was scheduled to meet in Room IE ak

1:15 PM. Wedll meet at 1:45 PM: that is 15 minutes prior

to the Revenue Committee meeting in IE in the State Office '

Building.'''

K. Miller: ''The gentleman from Knox, Mr. McMasteroo

Mazlaster: ''ML'. Speaker, Lac7ies and Gentlemen of the House. Ab

chief sponsor of House Bill 511, I would like to ask per-

mission to add Representative Klosak as a co-sponsoro''

zzzer: ''soes the sentzeman have zeavea ' Hearinq no objectio .x. M

leave is granted. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Randolpho''

Randolph: R'Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, the Revenue. . .

yysae suslaingo'.Committee will meet today in D1. Dl, State O

K. Miller: ''A1l right, the gentleman from Cook, Mr. McAvoyo/

McAvoy: >Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, The Banks .and ' l1

savings and Loan committee, which is to meet in M-4 at

2:00 will meet at 2:30.'' ,

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K. Miller: ''The Lady from Dupage, Mrs. Dyer.'' '

Dyer: ''Mr. Speaker, this is not a committee announcement, but

jit is an announcement o general interest, if I may make.

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it at this point. Ah.... I Wanted to call the attention

of every Member of the Haûse to an invitàtion, which is

on your desk, from Representative Chapman and Representati e'

Dyer. You are invited to breakfast tomorrow morning at

, .' 9:00 at khe Eirst Presbyterian Church, 7th and Capikol

in Springfield, on a subject of mutual interest and wedll

hope to see you all there.''

K , Miller : ''A1l right , the Chair zecognizes tlte gelltlemazw frcm ' .'

Cook, Mr. Leon.'' .

Leon: ''Mr. Speaker, a point of personal privilege, please. I

heard our Speaker, in explaining his Bill, state that the :

77th General Assembly did afford tax relief on personal

' property taxes, homestead exemption and other matters.

For the benefit of those who do not remember that the

zilinbis constitutional convention, the sixth Illinois '. Constitutional Convention, made possible tax relief b#è. .(

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a on'.' its members and I want everyone to know that I serve. ' : . . . . ' ' . . . h . .

,' . ' . . ... . .rj . . l 1 :' . . . .'' . ' ' ' J ethat . . . . In .thàt Constitutional Convention. and we did. . . . , . . l. . ' ' ; ' i . .1 t . . .

' : 2 make legal' the homestead exemption butkwas declared un- '

constitutional. Thank youo'' . .

K. Miller: ''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Maragos, is recognized.'' -. . )

Maragos: ''Mr. Speaker, I would like to have leave of the House, ,

to add .on'' House 383, of which I'm the chief sponsor, the

name of Representative James P. Mccourt at lhis request.''

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K. Miller: ''Does the gentleman have leave? Hearing no

objection, the same is granted. The Chair recognizes thegentleman from Cook, Mr. William Walshof' ,

Walsh: ''Mr. Speaker, I move that the House adjourn until

9:30 tonorrow morning for perfunctory session and 10:00

for Regular Sessiono'' .. t.

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E. Miller: ''Question is on the Motion to adjourn. 'A11 those ''

in favor, say laye', opposed 'nof. The House stands '

adjourned until 9:30 tomorrow morning, perfunctory, and .

10:00 Regular Session.

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