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Page 1: give peaks a chance - Genelec Us/Industry... · give peaks a chance Susan Rogers Bob Katz Florian Camerer George Massenburg Bob Ludwig Thomas Lund

give peaksa chance

S u s a n R o g e r sB o b K a t z

F l o r i a n C a m e r e rG e o r g e M a s s e n b u r g

B o b L u d w i gT h o m a s L u n d

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Give Peaks a ChanceT h o m a s L u n dG e n e l e c O y

F i n l a n d

A E S 1 3 9 • N e w Yo r k • O c t 3 0 , 2 0 1 5

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PMPs and Hearing Loss

2.5 - 10 million people in Europe to develop HL because of Personal Media Players (PMPs)

EN50332-1 and -2 requirements for PMPs sold in Europe

WHO likely to follow suit

“Dangerous Decibels” US campaign

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EN 50332-1, EN 50332-2Doesn’t work with ITU-R BS.1770

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EN 50332-1, EN 50332-2High “pressure” needed to get enough output

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PMPs and Hearing Loss

has had mandatory requirements since 2013: EN50332-1, -2TC108X/WG3 is making progress on dose estimation (phase 3)Dose estimation to reduce false warnings, to protect music heritageCurrently, exposure uncertainty can be 30 dB or more (1000 times)

Europe

Phase 1 and 2 implemented in IEC 62368-1, clause 10.6IEC

Well indicated to legislate on sound exposure from PMPs

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63 66 69 72 75 78 81 84 87 90 93 96 99 02 05 08 11

Ortner, 2012Peak to Loudness Ratio 1963 - 2011 Year

PLR [dB] 7.400 most popular music tracksGermany, UK, US

Productions below the dotted line rarely sound good on a fine system

PLR [dB]

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Can be great

Maybe ok

Squashed

Likely bad

Junk

AudioQuality

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LUFSiTunes NormalizationTarget at ~ -16 LUFS

Peak Level

Loudness

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-5 -10 -15 -20 -25 -30 -35

Loudness of Internet Radio Oct. 2015

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77 random iTunes Internet Radio stations. “Classic Rock” and “Top 40”

Loudness [LKFS] = [LUFS]

E.g. Musical Justice ChronicleCRToronto

E.g. Fréquence 3Radio 252

Number

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Mark KnopflerBritish Grove, London

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wec o m p re s s o r s

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b u t c o m p a re a t e q u a l l o u d n e s s

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-18 -16 -14 -12 -10 -8 -6

Subj. Loudness[LU]

MasteredLoudness[LUFS]

Not Norm Norm iTunes Norm ITU

Consequence of Normalized Platforms

Inverted U curve, even on resulting loudness

Target example at-16 LUFS = LKFS

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Vestbo Trio Astronaut

Mike Sheridan

“Let’s be ambitious about it for the sake of our ears”

Help consumers find decent contentHelp musicians fund hi-res master

Protect music heritagehttp://nordicdynamic.net

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1986

2012

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1986

2012

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http://musictester.net/demo/

Loudnessnormalizedplayback!

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1.Count Basie w/Joe Williams:“Mean Old World”Secret stereo recordingby Bruce Swedien1958

2.Imagine Dragons:

“Demons”From album

Night Visions2012

1 min 30 sek

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ReferencesEU Commission (2009). On the safety requirements to be met by European standards for personal music players pursuant to Directive 2001/95/EC.

S. G. Kujawa & M. C. Liberman (2009). Journal of Neuroscience. Adding Insult to Injury: Cochlear Nerve Degeneration after 'Temporary' Noise-Induced Hearing Loss.

B. Gourévitch et al. (2014). Nature Neuroscience. Is the din really harmless? Long-term effects of non-traumatic noise on the adult auditory system.

S. Gissel, J.T. Mortensen, S. Juul (2002). Int J Adolesc Med Health. Evaluation of hearing ability in Danish children at the time of school start and at the end of school.

R. Ortner (2012). Donau Universität. Je lauter desto bumm! - The Evolution of Loud

J. Tønnesvang et al. (2015). Klim. The Four Quadrant Model.

CENELEC EN50332, IEC/EN 62668-1

ATSC A/85, EBU R128, ITU-R BS.1770

More Info

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