Games Workshop v. Chapterhouse (N.D. Ill) Trial Transcript (Day 1 of 10)

8/13/2019 Games Workshop v. Chapterhouse (N.D. Ill) Trial Transcript (Day 1 of 10)

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AN ]F@ PNA]@M R]I]@R MAR]TAB] BGPT]NGT]F@TN MAR]TAB] GE AKKANGAR

@IR]@TN MAUARAGN

CIO@R SGTHRFGZ KAOA]@M,

Zkiantaee,

vs.

BFIZ]@TFGPR@ R]PMAGR, KKB,`t ik.,

M`e`nmints.

))))))))))

Mgbh t Ng. 9: B 69:2

Bfabicg, AkkangasLun 2, 4:921


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OITRFIKK, C@TR]@AN & DGTPNDQ< OR. LPKAINN@ O. FIT]\@KK422 Rgutf Sibh r MravSakkas ]gw r #52::Bfabicg, Akkangas 5:5:5

Iksg Zr s`nt< OT. NABFGKIR UAKKIBBA

OR. CAKKAIN R]@U@NRGN

KIPTI O. DT@NNIN - Geeabaik Bgurt T pgrt r491 Rgutf M irdgrn Rtr` t - Tggo 49:4

Bfabicg, Akkangas 5:5:=(294) =20-0360

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OR. FIT]\@KK< Qgur Fgngr, w fiv d n idk tg r ibf

icr` o nt watf tf pkiantaee egr tf pkiantaee tg watfmriw i

nuod r ge tf bgpyracft inm trim oirh ikk citagns inm `nt r i

pirtaik bgns nt lumco nt ge ngnaneranc o nt. S fiv at

pr pir m inm r imy tg s nm tg ygur prgpgs m grm rs `oiak

immr ss, dut ygur anstrubtagns r quar tfit w fiv`

p`roassagn.

]F@ BGPT]< Q s, tfit's ean`. Rg fgw oubf ge tf`

bgpyracft7

OR. FIT]\@KK< At's prgdidky idgut eav bgpyracft m

wgrhs.

OT. H@@N@T< Eav gr sax bgpyracfts inm oiyd --

OR. FIT]\@KK< Inm t n trim oirhs.

OT. H@@N@T< Q s, i mgz n gr sg trim oirhs, sg

nirrgw`m sgo`wfit.

]F@ BGPT]< Ghiy. Rg gn ge tf tfancs A fiv` tg --

gdvagusky, A'o pkinnanc tg t kk tf lurgrs tfas ogrnanc as fgw

kgnc tf traik as cganc tg tih . Rg inytao sgo tfanc as

r ogv m, gn ge tf qu stagns tfit bgo s tg oy oanm as wf tf r

A sfgukm, ygu hngw, oih sgo sgrt ge i ogmaeabitagn tg tf

tao kaoatitagn. Rg cav o ygur tfgucfts idgut tfit. Fgw

mg s tfas iee bt7

OR. FIT]\@KK< Oiny ge tf bkiaos fim d` n mrgpp m

gv r tf bgurs ge tf nm ge masbgv ry is tf pirta s w r`

nirrgwanc assu s. Rg A tfanh tfit gur `staoit s muranc

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pr traik ir stakk eiarky ibburit .

OT. H@@N@T< ]fit's racft. ]f y'r lust bgnearoanc

wfit w siam, watfmriwanc --

]F@ BGPT]< Rtuee tfit ygu w r tikhanc idgut is ygu

w r cganc ikgnc egr tf ogst pirt.

OR. FIT]\@KK< Q s, ygur Fgngr.

]F@ BGPT]< Ghiy. Ikk racft. Rg wfit gtf`r stuee mg

w n `m tg tikh idgut wfak w fiv cgt i kattk dat ge tao`

f r d egr tf lurgrs bgo up7

OT. H@@N@T< A tfanh tf r 's egur soikk assu s.

]F@ BGPT]< Ghiy.

OT. H@@N@T< Rg tf r ir egr gp nanc -- y`s, A tfanh

tfit's racft. ]f r ir oiyd gnky tfr` assu s, c n rikky

tfr assu`s ròiananc.

]f r as gn `xfadat gn ìbf sam tfit w ìbf wint

tg r e r tg an gur gp nancs.

]F@ BGPT]< Inm A n m tg oih` i rukanc gn at.

Rg A hngw tfit A fiv` cgt ikk tf stuee gn f r`. Bin

sgo dgmy lust finm o bgpa s ge tf stuee tfit A fiv tg m ik

watf7

OT. IKQ< Oiy A ipprgibf, ygur Fgngr7

]F@ BGPT]< ]fit as ean . Lust bgo racft gv`r f`r .

Rg at's M e ns @xfadat =04 inm Zkiantaee's @xfadat 616.

Rg wfit's tf gdl btagn tg Zkiantaee's 6167

OT. IKQ< Gdl btagn tg Zkiantaee's 616, ygur Fgngr,

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as tfit at as in imv rtas o nt ge i w dsat ergo sgo dgmy

gtf r tfin tf m e nmint f r , Bfipt rfgus , imv rtasanc i

prgmubt gtf r tfin inygn tfit as ibbus m f r , inm bguns k

wints tg us at it gp nanc tg xpkian tfit sgo dgmy wfg

m sacn m tfit prgmubt r e rr m tg at watf Rpib Oiran s, dut

d`bius --

]F@ BGPT]< T e rr m tg at7

OT. IKQ< Is i Rpib Oiran prgmubt.

]F@ BGPT]< Is i Rpib Oiran .

OT. IKQ< Sfabf as gn ge tf ar ikk citagns an tf`

bis , dut d bius at's ngt r k vint.

]F@ BGPT]< Or. Ogshan, fgw ir ygu cganc tg c`t at

an7

OT. OGRHAN< ]frgucf twg wiys< Gn tfrgucf Or.

Uakkibba faos ke. F bgnb m s tfit Rt pf n Roatf, tf

`pgnyogus gp ritgr gr egro r gp ritgr ge SirRoatf.

]F@ BGPT]< Gf, ge tfas w dsat .

OT. OGRHAN< Tacft. F wis tf sgk m sacn`r ge tf

sg-bikk m ]TP-Rbik Rpib Oiran . ]f y us i maee r nt nio`

egr at. Dut w fiv oiaks ergo Or. Uakkibba, ae n` m d`, tg

Rt pf n Roatf it SirRoatf Oanaitur s. S iksg --

Inm, ician, tf r as ng masput f 's tf gnky p rsgn

wfg m sacn m tf -- wfit tf y bikk tf ar Hnacfts Zri tgraus.

]TP-Rbik Hnacfts Zri tgraus w siy as saopky i bgpy ge tf

]TP-Rbik -- as i ]TP-Rbik Rpib Oiran .

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]f pabtur gn tf w dsat tfit ygu'r kgghanc it as

tf sio pabtur tfit ipp irs gn tf -- y s, tf Bfipt rfgus`

w dsat . Rg at's tf Rt pf n Roatf ogm k.

]F@ BGPT]< Ipp irs gn tf Bfipt rfgus w dsat an

wfit wiy7

OT. OGRHAN< Ziant m `xibtky kah tfas. Rg

Bfipt rfgus fim ats piant r -- fim i piant r r nm r tf

prgmubt `xibtky tfas wiy.

Ogr gv r, tf s bgnm -- sg tf r ir v ry -- nuo rgus

kanhs bgnn btanc Or. Uakkibba mar btky tg Rt pf n Roatf inm

tfas w dsat , inm tf am ntabik prgmubt tfit ipp irs gn

Uakkibba's gwn w`dsat .

Ogr gv r, Cakkain Rt v nsgn bin t staey tfit Cio s

Sgrhsfgp s pirit ky bgoounabit m watf Rt v n Roatf, sg sf

hngws wfit tfas w dsat as. Rf hngws f 's tf m sacn r ge

tfas prgmubt inm tfit tfit's wfit tfas w dsat as, sg at's

lust d anc --

]F@ BGPT]< ]fit hanm ge sgunms pr tty oubf kah

f irsiy tg o , dut k t's lust egbus gn tf earst pirt ge at.

Or. Iky, wfit as ygur ircuo nt7

OT. IKQ< ]wg oassanc kanhs, ygur Fgngr. Gn as

tfit, y s, tfit irtast bikk m tfit tfanc i Rpib Oiran , dut

tfit as ngt tf tfanc tfit's gn tf Bfipt rfgus w dsat . Rg

w fiv i masput idgut tfit, at s` os eibtuikky, idgut

wf tf r tfit aoic r ikky ipp irs. S mg ngt d ka v at as gn

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tf w dsat . ]f r 's i maee r nt prgmubt oim dy tf sio`

iutfgr, tf sio irtast, dut at's i maee r nt prgmubt.

]F@ BGPT]< ]f tfanc tfit as gn tf w dsat tfit Or.

Ogshan siys as i Rpib Oiran inm ygu'r siyanc asn't i Rpib

Oiran , wfit as at bikk m gn tf w dsat , gn tf Bfipt rfgus`

w`dsat`7

OT. IKQ< ]fit tfanc as ngt gn Bfipt rfgus 's

w dsat , inm tfit as wf r w masput .

]F@ BGPT]< Rg tf tfanc tfit as saoakir tg tfas tfit

as gn tf Bfipt rfgus w dsat , wfit as at bikk m7

OT. IKQ< ]fit's bikk m tf ]TP-Rbik ogm k,

]TP-Rbik Zri`tgraus sgo`tfanc.

]F@ BGPT]< Zri tgraus7

OT. IKQ< ]TP-Rbik Zri tgraus ogm k.

]F@ BGPT]< Ghiy. Mg s sgo dgmy fiv i pabtur ge

tfit sg tfit A bin s` wf tf r at's tf sio , saoakir,

maee`r`nt7

OT. IKQ< A bgukm sfgw ygu gn`, ygur Fgngr.

]F@ BGPT]< Q s. Fiv ygu cgt gn 7 Sfit `xfadat

nuod r ir ygu cavanc o f r , lust sg w fiv cgt i r bgrm ge

at7

OT. OGRHAN< At as @xfadat 9:44, Zkiantaee's

@xfadat 9:44. Inm an pirtabukir, tf prgmubt gn tf dgttgo gn

tf racft.

]F@ BGPT]< Dgttgo racft.

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OT. OGRHAN< Q s.

OT. IKQ< Mam ygu sfgw fao tfas gn`7

]F@ BGPT]< A'o lust cganc tg prgv tfit A wgukm

n v r d idk tg pkiy tfas cio . ]f s tfancs ikk kggh tf

sio tg o . Rgrry.

OT. OGRHAN< S kk, ibtuikky at bin d àtf r gn gn

tf dgttgo k et àtf r. ]f y --

]F@ BGPT]< Dgttgo k et.

OT. OGRHAN< ]f r 's i eacur watf tf r m cun.

]F@ BGPT]< Q s, A s` at. Ghiy. A s` tf gn

ygu'r tikhanc idgut. Ikk racft, cav o lust i s bgnm f r .

(Dra e ant`rruptagn.

]F@ BGPT]< ]fas as pirt ge wfit A wakk bikk tf`

bkiao bfirt, inm at's at o nuod r 945, inm gn tf Bfipt rfgus`

ogm k bgkuon, at's gn tf kgw r --

OT. OGRHAN< K et.

]F@ BGPT]< -- kèt, inm at's tf -- ngt tf` gn` it

tf v ry dgttgo. ]fit fis twg pabtur`s. At's tf gn gn tf`

upp r racft-finm bgrn r ge tfit kattk cram tf r .

OT. OGRHAN< Rg w bin s` tf sio sfgukm`r pim. At

bgukm d tf r m cun. S tfanh at's tf am ntabik ogm k.

]F@ BGPT]< A'o firm pr ss m tg s` i maee r nb .

A'o kgghanc it tf SirRoatf Oanaitur s, inm at's gn pic`

CS96954, tf kirc r aoic . At's idgut i tfarm ge tf wiy mgwn

gn tf racft, inm A'o bgopiranc tfit tg tf k et-finm bgkuon

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ge at o 945 gn tf w dsat , tf upp rogst ge tf twg eacur s

tf r . Kah A siy, A'o firm pr ss m tg s i maee r nb .

OT. IKQ< Qgur Fgngr, ae A oiy lust imm gn tfanc7

]F@ BGPT]< Q s.

OT. IKQ< ]f tfanc tfit ygu'r kgghanc it tfit kgghs

saoakir gn tf racft, at's d bius tf pirts tfit Bfipt rfgus`

s kks fiv d` n iss odk m ikgnc watf Cio s Sgrhsfgp pirts tg

br it tfit tfanc.

Gn tf k et -- A'o sgrry -- gn ygur Fgngr's racft,

wfabf as tf Roatf `oiak tfit as an masput , tfit as iss odk m

sgkm prgmubt tfit tfit's wfit tfit bgopiny sgkm is as. Rg

tf r 's i r ik assu idgut --

]F@ BGPT]< Rg tf ircuo nt as -- tf ircuo nt as tf`

gdl btagn as i r k vinb gdl btagn.

OT. IKQ< At's i r k vinb gdl btagn.

]F@ BGPT]< At cg s tg w acft, ngt imoassadakaty.

Qgu bin us at.

Rg k t o finc gntg ikk tfas stuee. Rg tf m e ns

wints tg us @xfadat =04, wfabf as tf bgpyracft geeab 's

k tt r ge Linuiry tf =tf, 4:92.

OT. OGRHAN< Inm gur bgnt ntagn as tfit at's

animoassadk d bius ygur Fgngr fis ikr imy oim rukancs

suds qu nt tg fivanc r va w m tfas tfit tf sfgukm r pim, tf

disab sfgukm r pim m sacn ats ke, as bgpyracftidk . Rg tfas

iksg eikks unm r tf rudrab ge tf pragr grm r tfit ygur Fgngr

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wfit ir tf prgt btidk isp bts gr ngt. ]f k tt r is --

Iet r tf rukanc tfit ygur Fgngr oim , tf k tt r

lust siys, f r as i r l btagn, inm an tf gp nanc, tf pgant

as gnky tg siy tfit tf r 's i r l btagn. At's ngt cganc antg

tf r isgns egr --

]F@ BGPT]< Rg wfy sfgukm ygu c t an tf eibt tfit

at's i r l btagn7

OT. IKQ< D bius at's gn gn ge tf iss rt m

prgmubts.

]F@ BGPT]< Ng, A unm rstinm, dut, A o in, as tf r

sgo tfanc r k vint idgut tf eibt tfit at wis r l bt m is

gppgs m tg tf eibt tfit at's ngt i r cast r m bgpyracft7

OT. IKQ< ]f r as, ygur Fgngr, tf eibt tfit at wis

r l bt m egr tf r isgn ge kibhanc gracanikaty.

]F@ BGPT]< Dut tfit's wfit A oim tf rukanc gn.

OT. IKQ< S tfanh tfit wis gn ingtf`r disas tfit tf`

bgpyracft geeab oiy fiv ant rpr t m, dut w unm rstinm tf

assu , inm, tf r egr , w 'r ngt anvghanc tf rukanc.

]F@ BGPT]< At's xbkum`m unm`r Tuk =:2. A tfanh at

wgukm `xtr o ky -- d `xtr o ky bgneusanc tg tf lury.

F r as ikk tfas stuee. Ghiy, tfit's at o

nuod r gn . Sfit as n xt7 Sfit as n`xt7

OT. IKQ< N xt as tf suooira s, ygur Fgngr. Rg ygur

Fgngr fis tfas sf t. ]fit wis gn `xiopk ge at, tf piant m

`xiopk`s.

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]F@ BGPT]< Sfit sfgukm A d kgghanc it f r 7

OT. IKQ< A'o cganc tg finm tf o tg ygu, ygur Fgngr.

]F@ BGPT]< S`kk, A oiy fiv at, tfgucf. Sfit as at

bikk`m7

OT. IKQ< At's i drinm n w m ognstritav , MV 9:4: inm

MV 9:49.

(Dra e ant`rruptagn.)

]F@ BGPT]< Ghiy, cg if im.

OT. IKQ< Inm f`r as tf assu watf tfas, ygur

Fgngr. ]f pirta s fiv ibtuikky masbuss m tf s it k nctf

inm icr tfit ikk ge tf aoic s tfit ir an tf r , tf y'r`

ibburit . ]f y bin d us m is m ognstritav s. ]f gnky assu`

assu k et as wf tf r tfit's `vam nb gr ngt, inm w fiv i

masicr o nt idgut ygur Fgngr's rukanc an tf pist, wfabf as

ygur Fgngr bk irky ruk m w bin -- tf pirta s bin us piant m

aoic s, iss odk m aoic s, tg sfgw wfit p gpk , bustgo rs, bin

mg watf tf prgmubt.

]F@ BGPT]< Tacft.

OT. IKQ< Dut tf prgdk o as dy sudoattanc tfas

pirtabukir bfirt is `vam nb , ngw tf lury wakk bgopir tf

twg pabtur s tgc tf r is wfit as ikk c m tg aneranc ritf r

tfin kgghanc it tf prgmubt ats ke, wfabf as tf tfanc tfit as

ibbus m ge aneranc`o nt.

Rg wfit w prgpgs , ygur Fgngr, as us tf bfirt, dut

lust k t's imm i masbkiao r tg at tfit siys it tf tgp ge

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f r , tf y iksg sfapp m tf ar prgmubts uniss odk m inm

unpiant m, dut tfit's ngt tf egbus ge gur bkiao.

]F@ BGPT]< Inm r oanm o . ]f piant m aoic s tfit

ir an tf Bfipt rfgus bgkuon gn tfas, wf r mg tfgs aoic s

bgo ergo7 ]f y bgo ergo Bfipt rfgus 's oit raiks7

OT. OGRHAN< S dsat , inm A tfanh tf r ir gn gr

twg anstinb s wf r tf y bgo ergo Ant rn t egruos wf r tf y

pgst m gr gtf r sgrts ge imv rtasanc. 11.1 p rb nt ge tf o

ir ergo tf Bfipt rfgus w dsat .

]F@ BGPT]< Rg disabikky wfit ygu ir siyanc as tfit

tf y'r oirh t m tfas wiy. ]f y'r oirh t m tfas wiy inm

wfit7

OT. OGRHAN< Inm sg an grm r egr tf lury tg

unm rstinm wfit w 'r bkiaoanc as tf r ik aneranc o nt f r ,

tf y fiv tg s` tf piant m aoic s.

]F@ BGPT]< Fgw at's d`anc oirh t m.

OT. OGRHAN< Fgw at's d anc oirh t m.

Erinhky, `v n ae tf y n v r sgkm i sanck gn ge

tf s tfancs, lust puttanc at gn tf ar w dsat , w d ka v as

in aneranc o nt. An tf sio wiy tfit, egr `xiopk --

]F@ BGPT]< As tfas tfanc cganc tg d us m an

gp`nanc7

OT. OGRHAN< A mgn't --

]F@ BGPT]< ]fas bfirt7

OT. OGRHAN< -- tfanh sg.

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OT. IKQ< Aoic s ergo at wakk d lust tg sfgw tf`

ibbusitagn.

]F@ BGPT]< A unm rstinm tfit.

Rg A cu ss A wgukm `nt rtian -- A'o ngt sur tfit

tf r sfgukm d iny hanm ge i kaoatanc anstrubtagn. A'o ngt

sur . A'o b rtianky ngt anbkan m tg, ygu hngw, stiop

sgo tfanc gn `ibf pic f r . A'o wakkanc tg `nt rtian sgo`

egro ge i kaoatanc anstrubtagn, dut ygu'r cganc tg n` m tg

mriet sgo tfanc inm cav at tg o . Ghiy.

Rg tf quabh r ygu c t at tg o , tf quabh`r A wakk

bgnsam r at.

OT. IKQ< Pnm rstggm.

OT. OGRHAN< Ae A bin --

]F@ BGPT]< Qgu mgn't fiv tg immr ss at untak ygu

s` at.

OT. OGRHAN< Ng, ng, dut lust tf unm rkyanc assu

tfit Or. Iky rias m, tf r as ng -- tf y bgnb m tf r as ng

masput tfit tfas as p roassadk is i m ognstritav . ]f r ik

qu stagn as --

]F@ BGPT]< As wf tf r at bgo s antg `vam nb gr ngt.

OT. OGRHAN< Inm tf`r as ng masput tfit tfas as i

suooiry -- tf unm rkyanc `vam nb as ikk imoatt m inm tf r

as ng masput is tg tf ibburiby ge wfit as sfgwn f r .

]F@ BGPT]< A unm rstinm.

OT. OGRHAN< Inm ician tfas wis --

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]F@ BGPT]< Inm ygu wakk t kk o ikk ge tfit ae inm

wf n Or. Iky cav s o i kaoatanc anstrubtagn, i prgpgs m

kaoatanc anstrubtagn.

OT. OGRHAN< Q s.

]F@ BGPT]< Sfit as tf tfarm assu 7

OT. IKQ< ]f tfarm assu fis tg mg --

]F@ BGPT]< Sf r ir tf y racft ngw7


OT. IKQ< ]f tfarm assu , ygu hngw, fis tg mg watf

n`w bgpyracft geeab bgoounabitagns.

]F@ BGPT]< Finc gn i s`bgnm.


]F@ BGPT]< A'o sgrry, cg if im.

OT. IKQ< Q s, ygur Fgngr. ]fas as idgut n`w

bgpyracft geeab bgrr spgnm nb`.

]F@ BGPT]< Finc gn i s`bgnm.

OT. IKQ< Lust gn s nt nb ge dibhcrgunm. An tfas

bis , tf r fim d` n in anbam nb wf r bgpyracft geeab`

r l btagns inm bgoounabitagns fim ngt d` n prgmub m an i

tao ky oinn r, inm ygur Fgngr fim crint m sinbtagns ge tfit

anbam`nb`.

Rg ngw kist w` h, at wis gn ]fursmiy, Or. Ogshan s nt

in `oiak siyanc, ggps, A egrc t tg s nm tfas pirtabukir `oiak

tg ygu, wfabf as i r l btagn ergo Oirbf 44nm, inm ergo tf

bgpyracft geeab r e rranc an turn tg ingtf r r l btagn ergo

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Linuiry ge tfas y ir. Inm w 'r ngt f r tg bist isp rsagns.

]f pgant f r as i pribtabik gn . D bius w lust cgt tfas,

w mgn't r ikky hngw ngw fgw tfgrgucf tf prgmubtagn as an

t ros ge bgpyracft geeab r l btagns inm bgoounabitagns. S`

cgt tfas gn`. ]fit's crìt, dut ae tf`r 's i kgt ge gtf`r

r l btagns gn gtf r prgmubts, w n` m tg hngw.

]F@ BGPT]< Rg wfit pirtabukir prgmubt mg s tfas

anvgkv inm wf n mam tf r l btagn tih pkib 7

OT. IKQ< ]ibt --

OT. OGRHAN< At's bikk m i tibtabik --

OT. IKQ< Rfgukm r pim.

OT. OGRHAN< -- squim sfgukm r pim. A mgn't tfanh

Or. Iky's m sbraptagn ge wfit trinspar m kist w` h as

ibburit`. A fim mgn i -- A fiv mgn p ragmab s irbf s ge oy

òiak andgx tg eanm iny bgrr spgnm nb watf tf bgpyracft

geeab , inm tf --

A mam i kist oanut bf bh d bius w fim cgtt n an

twg w` hs icg tfr` n w r castritagns, sg A mgudk -bf bh m inm

egunm, wfabf A fim n v r s` n d egr , tfit wfak A wis gn

vibitagn gn w h, tfas òiak bio an r spgns tg at -- at wis

ngt i typabik typ ge bgrr spgnm nb d bius -- inm A wakk

sfgw ygu tf bgrr spgnm nb , ae ygu wgukm kah tg s` at.

]F@ BGPT]< Ghiy.

OT. OGRHAN< A fim r qu st m egr tf bgpyracft geeab`

tg `xpkian wfy w fim s` n ngtfanc gn 99 ippkabitagns tfit

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w r eak m, inm tf bgpyracft geeab r spgnm m inm civ o i

kast -- A civ tf o i kast, inm tf y s`nt i kast dibh siyanc,

egr `v ry gn ge tf o, ngt y t r va w m, ngt y t r va w m, ngt

y t r va w m. Ician, wf n A siw tfas egr tf earst tao kist

w` h, A tf n -- A mamn't `v n aoo mait ky ngtab tfas. A siw

tfit dura m an tf r wf n A prant m tfas gut tfit gn ge tf

99 siam r l bt m.

]F@ BGPT]< Sf n mam tf k tt r bgo an tg ygu7

OT. OGRHAN< ]f oiak bio tg o --

]F@ BGPT]< @oiak.

OT. OGRHAN< -- Oirbf 44nm, A d ka v , wfak A wis

gut ge tf bguntry.

]F@ BGPT]< Rg tfas bio an r spgns tg sgo sgrt ge

i r qu st tfit ygu fim s nt tg tf bgpyracft geeab .

OT. OGRHAN< A s nt tf bgpyracft geeab .

]F@ BGPT]< Mam tf r qu st tfit ygu fim s`nt tg tf

bgpyracft geeab , wis tfit prgmub m7 Fim tfit d` n prgmub m

pr`vagusky7

OT. OGRHAN< Q s.

]F@ BGPT]< Zr vagusky7

OT. IKQ< Gf, y`s.

OT. OGRHAN< ]f r qu st m k tt r wis pr vagusky

prgmub m. Q`s, oy Oirbf 94tf -- A tfanh at wis gn Oirbf 94tf

A s nt in `oiak d bius tfit's wf n w w r dra eanc tfas

assu pr vagusky inm A wint m tg hngw wfy --

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]F@ BGPT]< A c`t at.

Rg tf bgnb rn racft ngw, Or. Iky, as ygu n` m sgo

cr it r -- ygu tfanh ygu n` m sgo cr it r m cr ge b rtianty

is tg tf bgopk t n ss ge prgmubtagn ge bgrr spgnm nb watf

tf bgpyracft geeab .

OT. IKQ< ]fit's racft, ygur Fgngr.

]F@ BGPT]< Ghiy. Rg wfit wgukm ygu kah` o` tg mg7

OT. IKQ< ]wg tfancs, ygur Fgngr. Gn , grm`r i

r qu st tg s irbf egr iny bgrr spgnm nb watf tf bgpyracft

geeab r e r nbanc sfgukm r pims gr tfas bka nt nuod r tfit

tf y fiv an tfit tatk , inm8 twg, i m bkiritagn gr k tt r it

k ist tfit siys --

]F@ BGPT]< ]fit s` os òan ntky r isgnidk tg o .

Mg tfit dy tfas tao tgogrrgw.

OT. OGRHAN< Ean , d bius tfit's `xibtky wfit A mam

ikr imy sìrbf egr.

]F@ BGPT]< A unm rstinm, dut mg at ician d bius`

ygu'r cganc tg fiv tg sudoat in ieeamivat, ygu hngw, unm r

tf p nikty ge p rlury.

OT. OGRHAN< Tacft. ]fit's ean .

]F@ BGPT]< Ikk racft. Sfit gtf r assu s mg w fiv 7

OT. IKQ< ]f kist assu gn oy kast, ygur Fgngr, as i

ruk gn watn ss s egr gp nanc `xb pt egr gn pirty

r`pr`s ntitav gn ìbf sam .

]F@ BGPT]< Q s. A oìn, A'o cganc tg `xbkum`

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watn`ss`s gtf r tfin tf bgrpgrit r`pr`s ntitav`s.

OT. OGRHAN< Anbkumanc egr gp nanc.

]F@ BGPT]< Q s, anbkumanc egr gp nanc.

OT. IKQ< Z re bt.

]F@ BGPT]< Tacft. ]fit wgukm d sgrt ge tf ngro.

A tfanh ygu `ibf fiv gn s t ge tf qu stagnniar s.

Ghiy. S 'r oihanc i s bgnm s`t egr ygu sg ygu fiv twg p`r

sam`. ]fgs sfgukm d up f`r an i oanut`.

OT. IKQ< ]finh ygu. Oiy A r tra v` tf` --

]F@ BGPT]< Q s, A'o sgrry. Mastradut at tg

wfg v r. A tfanh pirt ge at as Or. Ogshan's stuee.

Or. Ogshan, f 's cgt sgo ge ygur stuee tfit ygu fim

cav n o f r .

Rg A tfanh ibf ge ygu fis gn` s t ge tf`

qu stagnniar s. S 'r oihanc i s bgnm s`t. ]fgs sfgukm d`

up f r an i bgupk ge oanut s, inm tf n w 'kk c t tf lurgrs

up f r aoo mait ky iet r tfit.


]F@ BGPT]< F`r as ygur s bgnm s`t. S`'r cganc tg

c t tf lurgrs ngw. ]f y'r lust up gn ekggr.


OT. IKQ< Qgur Fgngr, w fiv twg tfancs tg bkiraey.

]F@ BGPT]< Ghiy.

OT. IKQ< Gn tfanc as egr gp nanc stit o nts, w

unm rstinm tfit ygu ikkgw gr mgn't oanm sbint k cik

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Or. Iky.

OT. IKQ< Cggm ogrnanc. Oy nio as Aorgn Iky. A

wgrh egr tf kiw earo Sanstgn & Rtriwn. A fiv oy bgkk icu`

f r , L nnae r Cgkanv iux, wfg A wgrh watf is w kk. Inm ergo

ingtf r earo f r as Lukainn Firtz kk. Inm tf n gur bka nt

r`pr`s ntitav ergo Bfipt rfgus Rtumags as Nabfgkis Uakkibba.

]F@ BGPT]< ]finhs.

Rg d egr w stirt tf prgb ss ge ibtuikky s k btanc

tf lurgrs wfg wakk d m bamanc, f iranc inm m bamanc, tfas

bis , A wint tg `xpkian i kattk dat idgut ygur s rvab f r`

tfas ogrnanc is tf pgt ntaik lurgrs inm pgssadky is tf

ibtuik lurgrs an tf bis , inm A wakk iksg `xpkian tf prgb ss

tfit w cg tfrgucf tg s k bt i lury.

]f lury is in anstatutagn disabikky mg sn't `xast

inywf r an tf wgrkm `xb pt an tf Pnat m Rtit s ge Io rabi

egr bavak bis s, i bavak bis d anc i masput iognc pravit

pirta s is gppgs m tg i braoanik bis . An `v rypkib `ks an

tf wgrkm, watf i bgupk ge r ikky tany `xb ptagns, bavak

kiwsuats ir m bam m dy lumc s. An tf Pnat m Rtit s ge

Io rabi, tf y'r m bam m dy tf p gpk .

]f r as i r isgn egr tfit, inm A wint tg `xpkian i

kattk dat idgut wfit tf r`isgn as inm fgw at bgo s tg d inm

wfy ygu'r f r . Rg tf sp baeab r isgn wfy lura s m bam`

bavak bis s an e m rik bgurt an gur bguntry as tfit's wfit gur

Bgnstatutagn prgvam s. Qgu oiy fiv sgo mastint gr, egr sgo`

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ge ygu, ngt sg mastint o ogra s idgut facf sbfggk bavabs

bkiss s wf r ygu k irn m idgut tf Bgnstatutagn inm idgut tf

Dakk ge Tacfts. ]f Dakk ge Tacfts wis tf earst 9:

io nmo nts tg tf Bgnstatutagn tfit w r imgpt m ikogst

aoo mait ky iet r tf Bgnstatutagn ats ke wis imgpt m dibh an

tf kit 93::s. Inm tf 92 gracanik stit s, i nuod r ge tf o

ansast m gn fivanc tf Dakk ge Tacfts is i bgnmatagn ge tf o

lgananc tf unagn inm imgptanc tf Bgnstatutagn.

]f R v ntf Io nmo nt tg tf Bgnstatutagn prgvam s

egr tf racft tg i lury traik an ikk bavak bis s m bam m an

e m rik bgurt. Rg tfit's tf sp baeab r isgn wfy ygu'r f r .

]f fastgrabik r isgn as i kattk dat ogr bgopkabit m.

Is ygu hngw, gur bguntry as i bgodanitagn ge i kgt ge

maee r nt buktur s inm i kgt ge maee r nt trimatagns. Gur

k cik syst o is at wis imgpt m dy tf egunm rs ge gur bguntry

dibh an tf kit 93::s praoiraky bgo s ergo tf @nckasf k cik

syst o is at xast m it tfit pgant an tao . An tf @nckasf

k cik syst o, tf y d cin tg us lura s ge bataz ns is i wiy ge

m bamanc bis s wiy dibh an tf `irky 94::s, an gtf r wgrms, an

tf irky 92tf b ntury. Inm sgo ge ygu oiy fiv sgo `quikky

mastint o ogra s ge sgo tfanc bikk m tf Oicni Birti, wfabf

wis tf earst geeabaik mgbuo nt dy wfabf tf racft tg i lury

traik wis `stidkasf m an @nckinm dibh an tf y ir 9490. S 'r`

idgut tg fat tf 6::tf innav rsiry ge tf imgptagn ge tf lury

traik.

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@v n tfgucf at's quat i kgnc tao icg, w hngw quat`

i dat idgut wfy at wis tf y d cin tg us lura s ge bataz ns tg

m bam bis s an @nckinm tfit kgnc icg. Inm at r ikky dgaks

mgwn tg twg tfancs. Nuod r gn , fivanc i lury ge p gpk

m bam i masput wis tfgucft ge is d anc i ogr lust, ogr`

eiar inm ogr ibburit wiy ge m bamanc masput s tfin tf gtf r

wiys tfit fim d` n tra m up tg tfit pgant an tao .

Inm, nuod r twg, inm `quikky is aopgrtint, fivanc i

lury ge bataz ns m bam i bis wis tfgucft ge is d anc i wiy

ge puttanc ogr pgw r inm ogr iutfgraty an tf finms ge tf

p gpk inm fivanc k ss ge at an tf finms ge tf cgv rno nt

d bius up tg tfit pgant an tao , ikk bis s w r m bam m dy

lumc s, inm i lumc as i cgv rno nt geeabaik. Rg tfas wis i

wiy ge puttanc ogr iutfgraty an tf finms ge tf p gpk .

Ngw, ae ygu eist egrwirm ergo tf irky 94::s tg tf

kit 93::s inm ygu bgo ibrgss tf gb in tg tf Pnat m Rtit s,

tfgs sio bgnsam ritagns pkiy m i v ry sacnaeabint rgk an

tf m basagn ge tf egunm rs ge gur bguntry tg imgpt tf racft

tg i lury traik an bavak bis s. ]f egunm rs ge gur

bguntry --

Earst ge ikk, tf egunm rs ge gur bguntry w r v ry

wiry idgut puttanc tgg oubf pgw r inm tgg oubf iutfgraty an

tf finms ge iny gn p rsgn, pirtabukirky ae tfit p rsgn wis i

cgv rno nt geeabaik subf is i lumc . Sf n at bio tg oihanc

aopgrtint m basagns idgut tf racfts inm r spgnsadakata s inm

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kaidakata s ge p gpk an gur bguntry, tf egunm rs ge gur

bguntry fim i kgt ogr trust inm i kgt ogr eiatf an tf

idakaty ge i crgup ge grmaniry p gpk tg d lust inm eiar inm

ibburit tfin tf y mam an tf idakaty ge i sanck lumc tg d

lust inm eiar inm ibburit .

Inm, s bgnmky, A tfanh tf egunm rs ge gur bguntry

d ka v m tfit d tt r m basagns wgukm d oim dy i crgup ge

p gpk ibtanc tgc tf r ritf r tfin dy gn p rsgn kah i lumc

ibtanc dy fao gr f`rs`ke. Sf`n i crgup ge p gpk sats mgwn tg

oih i m basagn, `v rydgmy fis i kattk dat maee r nt s t ge

p rsp btav s, inm ikk ge tfgs p rsp btav s ir aopgrtint an

oihanc sur tfit tf d st pgssadk m basagn as oim . Rg

tfit's wfy ygu'r f r .

A'v f irm at siam tfit gv r 10 p rb nt ge tf lury

traiks an tf wfgk wgrkm fipp n an tf Pnat m Rtit s. A

tfanh tfit's ibtuikky prgdidky i kattk gn tf kgw sam . A

tfanh tf nuod r as prgdidky facf r tfin tfit. M p nmanc upgn

wfit ygu rìm gr witbf gr kast`n tg, ygu oiy fìr i kgt ge

tfancs idgut gur k cik syst o, cggm, dim gr anmaee r nt, inm

A'o ngt f`r tg c t up gn i sgipdgx gr inytfanc, dut A io f r`

tg t kk ygu is sgo dgmy wfg fis wgrh m an tf k cik syst o egr

24 y irs ngw, tf kist 9= ge tfò is i lumc`, tfit tfas as

wfit oih s gur k cik syst o d tt r tfin tf r st ge tf o.

A fiv fim tf pravak c ge wgrhanc watf tfgusinms ge

lurgrs gv r tf y irs, oiny ge tf o wf n A wis i kiwy r inm

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oiny ge tf o sanb A fiv d` n i lumc , inm A io f r tg t kk

ygu tfit, an eibt, tf egunm rs ge gur bguntry w r racft.

Lurgrs mg i d tt r lgd ge m bamanc bis s tfin lumc s mg. ]f`

egunm rs ge gur bguntry mamn't c t `v rytfanc racft. ]f y

oim i kgt ge oastih s an gur Bgnstatutagn. Iognc gtf r

tfancs, ngt `v rydgmy bgunt m it tfit pgant an tao , dut tfas

as gn tfanc tf y cgt racft, inm tfas as pirt ge tf ar k ciby

tfit ygu'r ibtuikky kavanc gut f r is ygu bgo an f r`

tgmiy.

Ngw, ygu'r ikk f r , inm A'o gdvagusky iwir , inm

`v rydgmy as anvgkv m an tf bis as iwir , tfit ygu ikk fiv`

gtf r tfancs tfit ygu wgukm ngroikky d mganc inm ygu fiv`

gtf r m oinms gn ygur tao inm ygur itt ntagn inm ygu fiv`

kav s gutsam tf bgurtrggo. Inm A'o iwir tfit w 'r ishanc

ygu tg oih i sibraeab , iktfgucf ngt i t rradky fuc gn an

tf sbf o ge tfancs, dut w 'r ishanc ygu tg oih i sibraeab

dy d anc f r inm d anc `kacadk egr inm p rfips s rvanc gn

tf lury an tfas bis .

Inm A wint tg tikh tg ygu i kattk dat idgut wfy w

ish tfit, inm at bgo`s mgwn tg tfas. ]f`r as i siyanc

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