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Tim Wilson-Brown 7 hours agoDespite the warnings and the apology, this outcome is convenient for those in power inEmergent, and completely in line with Tony Jones' previous and continuing actions to silenceany conversations about this alleged abuse. You really should be more careful to avoid actionsthat would clearly be viewed incredibly skeptically by a large number of commenters.

I notice you also disabled comments enitrely on your apology, which is also convenient. Afterusing a post with almost a thousand comments as a trial run, did you do the same thing, or trysomething dierent?

Matthew, if you doubt your technical competence, don't take your first action in public, on ahighly controversial and visible blog, aecting almost a thousand comments. This should beembarrasing for you, and whoever granted you admin access, and Nadia.

Try a private test environment, or, if Patheos doesn't provide that, an ancient post with fewcomments. "Test on an inconspicuous spot first", as they say.

Secondly, if you modify a post or its comments, please edit the post to acknowledge that. It'sbasic Internet etiquette. Otherwise, Patheos tech support will get complaints that comments ontheir site aren't working, from those who come straight to the post.

This could mean editing the "Do you have questions" post to document the disabling of localcomments, and their new location on disqus. It also would help to puta note at the bottom of your apology to note that comments are disabled there as well.

Given your lack of experience, you may want to make sure that Nadia's next post actually hasactive comments - unless, of course, you intend comments to be o for future posts.

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Jmac6301 11 hours agoI will ask again...what format would you like all 881 comments in? I will send after class around10 pm central so they can be back up by 10:30PM. I know you would NEVER deletecomments. It's okay. We can get them right back up. Thank you for not being like the enablingabusers who covered up his abuse for the past 7 years primarily by deleting threads such asthis.

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Jmac6301 11 hours agoWhere are my comments? Your wife has my email. Why is she hiding? Further, why is a smartwoman going down for an abusive NPD?

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hikerrev 11 hours ago@ Jmac6301 ~ I just sent you a FB message. It may end up in your 'other' folder, which is why Imake note of it here.

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Jmac6301 11 hours agoHe tees it up by saying, "I might accidentally delete" WHAT FRAUDS!!!

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Jmac6301 11 hours agoNadia's Lutheran Bishop told her to not speak to a woman who was physically, emotionally,and litigiously abused?

She was told instead to endorse shamelessly the abuser and ignore the woman? Even hang upon her when she called her by phone out of desperation having been silenced and shunned byall of the middle aged white males in and around Emergent epicenter.....she asked her for helpand she said, "I will not engage in gossip."

You are saying that Nadia was advised by her Lutheran Bishop to...

"In response to the advice given to her by her Bishop, her Spiritual Director, and her husband (me), Nadia makes ita policy to not read any comments on her blog or on her Facebook page."

Was she clairvoyant when she attacked commenters calling them people with "digitalpitchforks." She won't comment but she will publicly post a support letter of an abuser whothreatens at progressive "Christian" conferences to attendees how he would like to have his exwife murdered. THAT the Bishop of the Lutheran Church in Denver, Colorado supports? I don'tthink so.

Doubt it. Bishop? Bishop of the Lutheran church in Denver, Colorado for the House of AllSaints and Sinners, are you REALLY supporting this sham and advised Nadia to remain silentabout an abuser when the evidence is overwhelming?

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Jmac6301 11 hours agoFrom an anonymous source.....

I have been following this situation since last September, but have beenvery hesitant to share one of the main reasons why I've believed Julie since she first posted on NP's story last September. I have friends and colleagues who support ToJo. I don't know what the consequences will be if this gets traced back to me, but here goes: I met ToJo last year at a

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conference. Within about an hour of meeting him he made comments to me about wanting to 'murder his ex-wife' and wishing he had never had children. I knew nothing of his personal life at the time, but I remember being really weirded out by the intensity with which he said these things. He did not sound 'jokey.' It was disturbing. I handed my hosting responsibilities over to other conference volunteers after that and kept my distance from him. Even so, I had held out the possibility that I might pursue a partnership with JoPa on a future conference, but realized in January, when ToJo began his retaliation against Julie, thatI could not, in good conscience do so. I reached out to Julie privatelytwo months ago to let her know and to oer my prayers and support. Oneside note: I have also been asked to provide major financial support toa local NBW appearance in 2016. I intend to speak to the organizers of that event about withdrawing my pledge and to tell them why. Sorry for attempting to be anonymous about this, I hope you all understand.

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Jmac6301 11 hours agoShe never reads her comments....BS. That's why she attacked commenters calling thempeople with "digital pitchforks." And, what is this weird behavior of Rachel and Nadia havingtheir husbands swoop in to save them. Dear Lord, you just set the woman's movement back to1950. Nadia's a big girl she can speak up for herself and she has some serious explaining to doas to why she supports and in an over the top manner an abuser?! She is supportive of a manwho threatened to have his ex wife murdered? Yes, that happened and at a "Christianconference."

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CurtisMSP 12 hours agoSo when people reach out to Nadia for help on social media, she ignores them? This is on theadvice of her Bishop?

Isn't it dishonest to not tell people this before they start reaching out, with the assumption thatNadia is reading?

The honest thing to do would to turn o comments on the blog and on Facebook, rathercontinue with the deception that Nadia is reading them. Maybe you can ask what the Bishop'sadvice about deception is and get back to us?

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hikerrev 12 hours agoI recently received notice that the comments here, in response to this note Nadia has writtenabout a new book, have gotten quite numerous and by some accounts somewhat aggressive.Further, (having briefly glanced at only a handful of comments, I see that) there are some falseassumptions being made here as well as some inappropriate ad hominem attacks.

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I will, therefore, be disabling comments for this post.

Please know that Nadia has not read any of these comments and does not know what's beensaid here. In response to the advice given to her by her Bishop, her Spiritual Director, and herhusband (me), Nadia makes it a policy to not read any comments on her blog or on herFacebook page.

However, the comments are occasionally reviewed (but not shared with her) by people wholove her, and in this case I have made the decision that there has been enough opportunity forfolks to weigh in. None of the comments, thus far, have been deleted by me or by Nadia. If anyhave been deleted, that has been done by someone other than this household andunbeknownst to me. Further, it is not my intention to delete any of the comments posted here... however, as this is my first time administering a Patheos blog, if I accidentally do so, pleaseforgive me.

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hikerrev 7 hours ago> hikerrevGreat idea, KT. The link to this thread is now posted on the apology post on Nadia'sblog.

And thanks for your reflections, Caryn. I honestly don't know when the general practiceof not reading or responding to comments started, but thank you for pointing out thetruth that many people expect that the poster is also paying attention to the comments.I'll talk with Nadia about whether or not it makes sense to put some kind if disclaimer inthe blog intro.

Nadia is the Pastor of House for All Sinners and Saints, which is part of the RockyMountain Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. I feel uncomfortableputting contact info here, but I'm sure you can track that down.

As to the remainder of the conversation posted since the comments were taken down,I'd like to share that Julie and I have had a conversation with one another on anotherplatform, and I thank sincerely thank her for that.

Further, please note that I won't be taking the time to track this conversation veryclosely over the coming days, so I ask that you not take oense if I don't respond to thisconversation.

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KT Pridgen 6 hours ago> hikerrevThank you for posting the link, Matthew!

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Living Liminal 6 hours ago> hikerrevIt's good to see a link to the accidentally lost comments has been added. Is there anyreason it wasn't put up on the post that people were actually commenting on?

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Caryn LeMur 9 hours ago> hikerrevHi Hikerrev:

You wrote on Nadia's Blog: "In response to the advice given to her by her Bishop, herSpiritual Director, and her husband (me), Nadia makes it a policy to not read anycomments on her blog or on her Facebook page."

1. When did this policy start? At what date did Nadia continue posting, but determinedto never read a comment?

2. Whom is her Lutheran Bishop that gave such advice? May I have a name andaddress to write to him/her? [I believe that such advice, which is "OK to proclaim; butnot OK to engage", is counter to the gospel of Christ. So, while I may applaud theobedience of Nadia to her Bishop, I also wish to write to him/her and appeal his/herguidance to Nadia.]

3. Please ensure that you also post in the Section above all future comments, "Inresponse to the advice given to her by her Bishop, her Spiritual Director, and herhusband (me), Nadia makes it a policy to not read any comments on her blog or on herFacebook page." You should do this so that people like me, that posted questions toNadia, will realize that she will never read the question (and of course, then neverrespond). In this manner, you will at least remove the appearance of deception (after all,blogs on Patheos are for dialog with the author, rather than just for simpleproclamations by the author).Sincerely; Caryn LeMur

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KT Pridgen 9 hours ago> hikerrevHey, I'm hoping you see an alert from this reply. I saw your apology post about deletingthe comments. The comments are all still available through Disqus. I think it'd be greatfor transparency to include a link. Since deleting them was an accident, you canessentially restore them by just posting the link that leads directly the the Disqusconversation: https://disqus.com/home/discus...

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Caryn LeMur 14 hours agoPost 1 of 3:

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ONE REBUTTAL TO SUMMARY REQUESTED BY SOME HAVING TROUBLEWITH DISQUS [posted by "Kandace"]:

I am not a lawyer. I assume that Kandace is not a lawyer.

However, after researching the Digital Law Project, I am especially concerned that Kandace didnot mention that Tony Jones is certainly a Limited Purpose Public Figure.http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guid...

A Limited Purpose Public Figure is someone that has thrust themselves to the forefront ofparticular controversies in order to influence the resolution ofthe issues involved."

What has been discussed in these postings (on Nadias blog) are opinions. The subjectsdiscussed in these postings has been greatly encouraged by Tony Jones.

Please consider just the following (there is more):

Multiple times on his world-wide Internet Patheos Blog, Tony Jones thrust himself to theforefront of discussions concerning marriage, sacramental marriage, legal marriage, his owndecision to obtain a sacramental marriage (and 2 years later obtain a legal marriage). TonyJones also made public the diculty ofhis extrication (release from) his first marriage. [See especially his posts beginning 04 January2010.]

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Caryn LeMur 14 hours ago> Caryn LeMurPost 2 of 3:

Tony Jones also published a small book There Are TwoMarriages and made it available on Amazon.com for world-wide purchase, wherein heextolled the possible non-bible-based virtues of obtaining two marriages in sequentialorder with great time between each marriage (the first having no legal binding; thesecond being perhaps 2 years later, and then conferring full Fed and State benefitsto the spouses). Thus, Tony Jones has thrust himself to the forefront of discussions concerning marriage,theology, church-sanctioned premarital sex, and pragmatic denial of Biblical scriptures[see especially First Timothy 5:8].

A few times on the NakedPastor blog of 05 September 2014, Tony Jones thrust himselfto the forefront of discussions concerning spiritual abuse (one of the issues in theoriginal NP post), and the conduct of Mars Hill pastor Mark Driscoll. Tony Jones firstwife also responded on the same blog concerning mental and marriage abuse. On 16 September 2014, and in the above blog, Tony Jones stated, allthe court records in our divorce and subsequent legal activity are public.

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Anyone who really cared to know the truth would not have much trouble finding theentire story. I have nothing to hide, as those records paint a clear picture. Thus bothTony and his first wife arguably became limited purpose public figures in this area ofabuse (mental and spiritual), as well as concerning their own previous marriage. Please note that Tonys statement " I have nothing to hide" if it only pertained to publiccourt records (already not hidden), would be nonsensical. Their private divorce thusarguably became public fodder for public debate and opinions.

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Caryn LeMur 14 hours ago> Caryn LeMurPost 3 of 3:

However, the most significant example by Tony Jonesshowing his desire to thrust himself to the forefront of particularcontroversies is this: On/about 27 January 2015, and by publishing a 12 page document on theWorld-wide Internet, Tony Jones again thrust himself into the controversiesswirling about his firstmarriage, to include the following areas in particular: (1) the status of his (and his first wife's) child custody; (2) whom initiated the divorce; (3) Tonys relationship with Courtney Perry (his second wife) prior to September2008; (4) Tonys relationship with Courtney Perry prior to divorceproceedings (which proceedings resulted in divorce from his first wife); (5) the allegation that Tony physically damaged his first wifes shoulder; (6) spousal abuse (in particular; later, in general); (7) alleged false reports by his first wife to law enforcement and child protectionservices; (8) Tonys payment of child support; (9) one particular arrest incident that involved his first wife; (10) one incident wherein Tony filed for temporary custody, which was denied bythe court; (11) Tonys diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder(NPD) and a (unstated) diagnosis given to his first wife; and (12) that Tony Jones never had an aair and never used the phrase spiritualwife [quick note, Tony uses the phrase sacramental wife];and closes with Tonys legal and media contacts.

Dr. Tony Jones thus clearly confirmed his intense desire to keep himself as alimited purpose public figure for the purposes of allowing the world-wide publicto comment on his personal life, his theology, his marriage philosophy, and themany controversies and allegations concerning his first marriage to JulieMacMahon.

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Again, Kandice did not mention how Tony Jones has undeniably sought to be avery large limited purpose public figure. I amimpressed at the bravery of Dr. Tony Jones, and the amount of opinions anddebate Tony Jones has deliberately invited by virtue of his own actions.Sincerely; Caryn LeMur

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Gretchen 14 hours agoAs I read the comments I am struck by two things: 1) the talk of various individuals in ministryhaving narcissistic traits or full NPD, and 2) the number of times posts contain the words "theproblem is..."

I realize I'm about to engage in a manor incongruent with the rest of the discussion, but this isdriving me NUTS and I need to say it somewhere...

In my opinion, THE PROBLEM isn't a narcissistic/abusive minister here and there (though thatis indeed a problem), but rather that Christianity itself--or at least American Christianity--fosters, produces and maintains narcissism in its members. Worse yet, narcissism has becomeso woven into the fabric of Christian culture, particularly with respect to leadership, we aredrawn to and expect our leaders to demonstrate narcissism. Unfortunately, individuals withNPD have a number of attractive qualities we tend to want in our leaders. As a community,somehow we need to find a way to know/ remember that charming, engaging, provocative,"edgy", sarcastic or otherwise dramatic

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Gretchen 14 hours ago> Gretchen(Sorry, discus froze on me--picking up where I left o...) are both qualities that lendthemselves to performance art, but can ALSO be huge red flags for NPD.

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Gretchen 14 hours ago> GretchenI suspect we are more vulnerable to the charms of the narcissistic minister thesedays, as so much of our culture has become entertainment oriented. Not tryingto be a curmudgeon here, I just think it's a real issue.

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Annie Banannie 17 hours agoJmac- I love how you wear your heart on your sleeve. Of course NBW is in on it. "Hosting" thiscomment thread as a sort of bizarro world answer to the NP thread. Too bad there aren'tenough tony supporters to make it look legit, because all those fake accounts are prettylaughable.

You know it's not quite working how they want when they start deleting your comments andlimiting how you are able to post. I'm hoping all the best for your next outcomes. May there be

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KT Pridgen 17 hours agoJulie has reported that she can no longer comment on NBW's blog. She believes she has beenblocked. Just FYI for y'all.

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CurtisMSP 17 hours ago> KT PridgenLet the censoring begin. Kandace said it was coming. It will be interesting to see whatstory they are able to craft out of the mountain of discussion here.

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Jmac6301 17 hours ago> KT PridgenI was just able to with my name but not as guest. only an admin can change that. theyneed my name for it to be an exhibit like 2 weeks ago in court when he lost. this ain't myfirst NPD rodeo....we are in double digits. I know and have seen it all before. gotta go tomy unpaid internship and then grad school. I'll be back much later to see the spin work!

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Caryn LeMur 17 hours agoPosted by Anne Lamont in another thread elsewhere, but very appropriate here:

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7. Publication and temporary creative successes are something you have to recover from. Theykill as many people as not. They will hurt, damage and change you in ways you cannotimagine. The most degraded and sometimes nearly-evil men I have known were all writerswho'd had bestsellers. Yet, it is also a miracle to get your work published ... . Just try to bustyourself gently of the fantasy that publication will heal you, will fill the Swiss cheesey holes. Itwon't, it can't. But writing can. So can singing.

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Jmac6301 18 hours agoMy last 5 comments regarding this thread being the next exhibit in lawyer Simon Troutmansnext run at defamation were deleted. Nadia is in on this. When I receive the next Motion I willspeak out in detail. I hold the truth and that will always be my winning defense. The fact theJudge told him to withdraw and not waste his time will not deter an NPD...they just workanother angle. I have survived the crazy campaign, the your mother is a criminal campaign, theshe has defamed me with false allegations claim. What's next? It seems to be some sort ofhybrid of she can't be telling the truth because she has rich relatives campaign? Creative forsure....but the truth remains. My child has been used to try and silence me from telling my

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story. There is no depth to which a narcissist will go to destroy their target and yes they willeven stoop so low as to use the children.

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Caryn LeMur 17 hours ago> Jmac6301Hopefully not!

Nadia: if you did delete those particular comments, please explain why?

I was hoping you would not go the way of Rachel Held Evans, now famous for her'hiding' comments on her FaceBook Page. Yes, she used her husband to do the dirtywork (or, her husband asserted his authority over her ministry... we do not know).... butthe message to others was "Your voice does not matter to me."

"Open rebuke is better than hidden love." If you disagree with the postings concerningX subject, then use the tool of 'open rebuke'. Please do not disgrace our Lord Jesus byhiding comments.

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Alan Molineaux 18 hours agoGetting the impression that this is not the same kind of safe safe space that David created onhis site.

1) Whereas David put a lot of eort into facilitating the conversation, Nadia seems to havejumped ship.

2) The nature of disqus means that people can create accounts for the purpose of causingtrouble and baiting. They don't even seem willing to give details to someone they considersafe.

3) It feels as if Julie has been left a little exposed by some of the comments. I think shedeserves more.

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Caryn LeMur 19 hours agoNadia and Tony:In my mind, the death of Jesus opened the gateway to having a new heart within us. A heartthat was (by analogy) changed from being a 'stone' and 'non-living', to being 'alive' andtherefore 'trainable'.

I would be interested in reading how the Cross of Christ personally and pragmatically aectedeach of you.

For example: I became a Christian by some sort of personal encounter with Jesus at the end of

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8th grade, in 1970. It was an amazing moment.

I changed slowly over the years. Being from a military family, I knew of loyalty, rank,followership, and discipline.

But it was from Christians (my wife, Bonnie and a Christian school teacher) that I began to learnof gentleness, kindness, and being patient with others. I learned forgiveness, how to releasepeople into the loving hands of Jesus, and move on with my life.

Your turns?Sincerely; Caryn LeMur

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Guest 18 hours ago> Caryn LeMurCaryn, that was how I knew this was of ego and man and had absolutely nothing to dowith God. I kept asking, "Where is the fruit?" I am not seeing it! This is about bigbusiness and not about any personal relationships with the Lord. There is no spiritualgrowth. You will not be answered here or anywhere because we are being "stonewalled"a silencing technique abusers use to control. Nadia is reading all of these commentsand choosing silence. She is a classic NPD enabler. Her words and actions do not align.

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Caryn LeMur 17 hours ago> GuestGuest: you have a point, based on my review of the comments. I see very little tonothing from Nadia.

May I propose we give her another day or two for answering my questions?

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CurtisMSP 17 hours ago> Caryn LeMurNadia has said nothing here. I'm not sure she comments in any of herblog posts.

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KT Pridgen 17 hours ago> Caryn LeMurUnfortunately, she had months to respond to the allegations against TonyJones. Like RHE, she's dismissed and blocked people attempting toengage her about the issue.

Caryn LeMur 17 hours ago> KT PridgenI am very sad to hear that Nadia has chosen to walk away from theexample of our Jesus.Nadia: please consider our Lord's example in Matt 23. He was not afraid

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to call a spade a spade.At the least, speak against the doctrine of "Two Marriages". I wouldsuggest that you reassert that you are a Lutheran Pastor, and not part ofthe Emerging Movement.

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CurtisMSP 17 hours ago> Caryn LeMurWell, in Nadia's line of business, contracts come before God. Ironicallyenough.

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Guest 19 hours agothen this...an actual death threat goes unchecked by feminist Nadia our "host"

I met ToJo last year at a conference. Within about an hour of meeting him he made comments to me about wanting to 'murder his ex-wife' and wishing he had never had children. I knew nothing of his personal life at the time, but I remember being really weirded out by the intensity with which he said these things. He did not sound 'jokey.' It was disturbing.

itsallasham 20 hours agoAnyone bringing up Julie's family and the wealth present there is channeling ToJo and his circlebecause that's all that guy ever talked about when they were married. That and his need tomake at least 100k/year to support his lifestyle (which is apparently not working since hisparents own his home). Take the personalities and history out of it and you get this: a self-fulfilling circle of narcissists who wirte jacket blurbs for each other's books, sit aroundcomparing publishers and advance fees, and really really poor theology that has led morepeople to idol worship than made any serious contribution to the future of the Christian church.What HAS been helpful about the emergent movement? It has shown the evangelical churchthat it is not God's great gift to mankind either and has helped many people leave behind theabuses of power and spirituality they experienced there. But leave no doubt about it, I don'tgive a rat's behind what you think of who said what to whom and who filed what aboutwhatever... the sum of these people's lives is what they can earn and how often they can getothers to pay to hear them speak and then pay more to let them hang out with each otherbefore and afterwards. You want to dent this thing? STOP GOING TO THEIR CONFERENCESAND BUYING THEIR LAME BOOKS. You want to help Julie? Stop inflating egos to the pointthat no one is listening to the voices of reconciliation, confession and absolution. I'd even sayDavid, et al should pause the whole thing too everyone who needs to know the truth nowknows it. There will be a few suckers who pay for the pleasure of Tony and Nadia's companybut if you all stop going then what movement are they really leading? Nadia has sacrificed herrole as a public leader for this lucrative friendship and her failed comedy career made way forfawning legions of NBW-ites but after you've heard the same talk a few hundred times you will

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Reply realize there is no 'there' there. It's empty calories. Loaded with MSG. Bad. For. Your. Soul.

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Guest 19 hours ago> itsallashamI am not a psychologist but I am in graduate school getting my Masters in ClinicalMental Health Counseling and LPCC. I listened to Nadia on On Faith radio show. Shehas all of the hallmarks of a narcissist herself. I would not be surprised. Birds of afeather.

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Alan Molineaux 19 hours ago> itsallashamThe problem is that this isn't just about TJ and his income. It is about the misuse ofpower by church leaders.

I don't care what he earns. I don't really care if people want to buy his books or listen tohim (other than the eect upon the church)

I do care that the church hears the voice of the abused and has the chance to learnlessons from things like this.

I am not sure that suggesting David should 'pause' does anything but support thestatus quo: namely let's the powerful maintain their power.

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CurtisMSP 19 hours ago> itsallashamThe thing is, the critics of this Christian celebrity network are a tiny fraction of thatnetwork's total followers. Most of the fans have either not heard the critique, or havedismissed it, as they instructed to do by the network leaders. Now is not the time for thecritics to go silent. Now is the time to speak strongly until they are heard.

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Guest 19 hours ago> itsallashamI agree with you whole heartedly. They are blind, deaf and dumb to the truth and it'spointless. They are self made gods and stopped listening to the Holy Spirit long ago.Preach reconciliation and refuse to reconcile with me. THIS is the theology. Emptywords and it's big business. I was a liability and needed to be discarded by themachine. Thanks for adding your insight. He WAS obsessed with my lineage andpropped up his NPD ego. Money and status are everything to that guy. He wi useanyone and anything to get ahead.

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nakedpastor 19 hours ago> itsallashamI do appreciate your argument itsallasham. But it would only make sense if I cared onlyfor myself. What about all the people who continue to be bullied and abused by power

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and those who possess it? What about those who have suered from it and need a safespace to share their experiences? My observation from the survivors I know is that theyare telling their stories not just for their own relief but for the redemption and relief ofthose who are still under it. This is why I won't let it rest.

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No_6 17 hours ago> nakedpastorThe problem with some advocates is the heaps of false hope that accompanythe advocacy. Your strength is in providing a platform, which you excel at aboveall your peers. But what I know from first-hand experience having neededadvocates in the past is that once you go public--you're dealing with everyoneelse's baggage, including the advocate's own baggage. And yes--I have nevermet an advocate who didn't throw theirs on the pile, too. Which it is not avictim's responsibility to deal with.

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KT Pridgen 20 hours agoSo, do ya'll think these personas are Tony or his lawyer? I imagine some skeezy lawyer gettingpaid $450 an hour for creating fake online profiles and annoying people online and laugh alittle.

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wordvixen 11 hours ago> KT PridgenI call a mix. I'm almost positive that a handful are Tony. I'm betting a certain one is anunderling for his lawyer. I have one pegged for Courtney, but I'm willing to give that onea pass in case I'm wrong. I don't know enough of Jay to peg his style.

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Danica 16 hours ago> KT PridgenBelieve me lawyers don't spend their time doing this. It's TJ, and maybe his right-handman Jay Bakker.

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KT Pridgen 15 hours ago> DanicaOooh, I just Googled Jay. Soooo many tattoos. And hipster glasses and stern-looking portraits. That means he's progressive and relevant, so it couldn't behim. :P

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CurtisMSP 17 hours ago> KT PridgenI'm thinking its the lawyers. The fake accounts are more creative than I am willing togive Tony credit for. There are lawyers that specialize in extracting evidence from socialmedia. But the lawyers are just doing their job. It is Nadia that needs to be held

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accountable for allowing her blog to be used as an evidence gathering tool against avictim of abuse.

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CurtisMSP 20 hours agoWhy does Kandace fail to mention the most well-established facts in her "summary", such asTony's NPD, or the web of endorsement and publicity contracts among Tony's group? Andwhat makes her think these posts will be sensored soon? What does she know that she is notsaying?

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Guest 20 hours ago> CurtisMSPCryptically intimidating. She knows the launch of the next lawsuit and has been sent tosolicit exhibits for the NPD. She has not been forthcoming and she cannot be found onthe internet as she said her thesis link would lead you to her. It didn't. Who are youKandace? Reveal yourself. You claim to be on the up and up but it's not adding up.

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Alan Molineaux 19 hours ago> GuestIt interesting that NBW hasn't taken this stu down or entered the conversation.It almost feels like a set up.

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Guest 18 hours ago> Alan MolineauxThis is 100% fodder for the next lawsuit. I guarantee it and I will go viralthat Nadia was complicit. See, the thing is....I am not afraid. I hold thetruth and that is what my defense is and will always be. He has tried andfailed defamation BS before. Bring it! My lawyer before he withdrewcounsel because I owe 20k said, "His lawyer Simon Troutman is teeing upthe next lawsuit for lost wages." NPD's are MONSTERS they will neverquit fighting to control the narrative. I will be here giving real timeaccounts of each and every litigation. Two weeks ago Simon Troutmanand his client lost in court. They attempted to gag me and prevent mefrom ever posting my story. They brought in reams of blog posts from 3rdparties like this as exhibits. He brought 6 witnesses including Jay Bakker.In a paraphrased nutshell the Judge said, "Get out of my courtroom fool."Simon said, "We withdraw our motion." If looks could kill....I wasmurdered by the expression on my ex husbands face. Make no mistakethis is lawfare and he has deep pockets and a triple digit book advance toattack me. Again, I hold the truth and I stand strong and confident in it.

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KT Pridgen 20 hours ago> GuestDid she post a thesis link? I missed it. Do you know about what time she posted it so Ican search for it through this mess?

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Guest 20 hours ago> KT PridgenShe said she was searchable and would link to her thesis...nope deadend. I asked for her twitter, FB, grad school name...something to proveshe was real...crickets. She was sent her to do a job.

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KT Pridgen 20 hours ago> GuestIt's just like what Tony did with his statement. He provided informationthat looked reliable to get people to believe it but that informationcouldn't be verified.

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Guest 19 hours ago> KT PridgenHer whole point was to try and connect dots and cast shadow that mysupporters were virtual. My friends and family are burnt out on thisdisgusting story and I stopped talking about to them long ago. THEY allknow about the NPD and various abuses. I speak out now because it isWRONG for "Christian leaders" to harbor an abuser.....even prop him upwhile refusing to acknowledge the carnage in his wake. ANYONE with abrain knows that an NPD diagnosis is enough to stop them in their tracksand believe my story. Then coupled with all of my evidence that wasprovided to bloggers and reputable prestigious institutions and then theyacted and spoke out boldly in my support...this happened and ishappening now and in real time. I'll give you an example of an NPD inaction this morning. My son was upset. He wants to go to environmentalcamp. I am strapped for pennies and $175 is not something I cancasually write a check for. My son was told by his dad that, "Your momhas to pay for that." I emailed the teacher and explained that they need toask him as I know he recently got a VERY hefty book advance. I copiedhim and he shot back, "I'll pay....I never said I wouldn't." Sadly, the onlyway to co-parent with an NPD is publicly. They ONLY care about theirpublic persona. This is what I deal with on the daily. I have become andexpert on NPD and hope to help others co-parent eectively. The publicimage is paramount to everything. I use that to try and get my childrenwhat they need.

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Guest a day agoKandace? Your "thorough" analysis is missing the part about a diagnosed narcissist withsadistic traits and pathological lying. Two weeks ago when a judge literally said, "you can goahead and waste my time but you have no credibility in my courtroom and I suggest youwithdraw." Why? Because judges understand what an NPD is. Your analysis skims over thatlynch pin to understanding the entire story and why it looks this way 7 years later. You and BBand Drea and Michael never want to discuss that part of the story, I wonder why that is?

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Guest a day agoI met ToJo last year at a conference. Within about an hour of meeting him he made comments to me about wanting to 'murder his ex-wife' and wishing he had never had children. I knew nothing of his personal life at the time, but I remember being really weirded out by the intensity with which he said these things. He did not sound 'jokey.' It was disturbing.

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Guest a day agoI wonder why Kandace failed to mention a word about:

AairAbuse"Bat shit crazy" campaign"Your mother is a criminal" campaign Cover upDeath threatLegal threatsLitigious law fare of over $500,000 spent

You mostly wanted to cast smoke and mirrors on me personally with intimate details like myaddress and mothers maiden name which were then put on the internet. Only my abuser knewI was in Mexico last week. That's just sheer desperation!

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Kandace a day agoThank you to Julie supporters like Danica, KT, & Tim Wilson-Brown who transparently statedthey dont know Tony or Julie personally but repost her allegations bc they want to standagainst alleged abuse. A clarifier: Stu Christian Culture Likes, Naked Pastor, The WartburgWatch, & WatchKeep are not based in MN and their operators have not publicly claimed tohave known Tony or Julie during their marriage or divorce, however their sites oer religiouscritique aboutthousands of parties. They dont claim to do investigative research but ratherraise good questions to ask. Since Nadia hasnt felt comfortable participating, I have chosen at

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Curtis suggestion not to continue to ask questions of McLaren, Pagitt, Barnhill, Julia Doughty,Stollar, Sargent, etc who post allegations or supportive statements. They have public profilesthat say whether they are local to MN anyways. And its been pointed out there are orgs, legalparties, and reporters with more expertise than me to research this complex story.

Unfortunately, Nadia chose not to respond to questions, although its public shes known Tonysince approximately around 2007 and has spent time with him thru those yrs during manypublicly referenced projects, events, and aliations. Based on their publicly knowninteractions, it appears she knows Tony & his current wife well, but does not know Julie. Juliehas stated she and Nadia spoke on the phone once. In this call, Julie has claimed Nadia saidshe refused to gossip and hung up.

I also disclosed that I do not know Tony or Julie personally. In addition, CurtisMSP was notcomfortable disclosing whether he has real-life connection at this time. David Hayward has notyet responded to questions about whether he has a real-life, in person experience with Tony orJulie. Someone asked me to publish a summary of the comments since as Julie and Timpointed out Disqus & Patheos do not seem able to handle 800+ comments.I will do that in areply to this post although I suspect these posts will be censored soon. The main thing is thatmost of us feel like weve added enough to this conversation if Nadia is not comfortable addingher thoughts.

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CurtisMSP 21 hours ago> KandaceThat is not what I said, and nobody asked you to speak for those who have spoken forthemselves. Your attempt to re-frame what is already established, documented fact,while ommitting the most relevant facts, is pathetic.

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Guest 20 hours ago> CurtisMSPKandace was self anointed and self appointed to be the final analysis. Beyondbizarre on the part of Team NPD. Not a word of mention regarding the abuses orthe 22 page $4000 psychological evaluation which detailed the full ugly dirtystory. 800 comments later the truth remains. Abuses occur even today and yet"leaders" like Nadia are not only mute but overtly supportive of an activeunrepentant abuser with a very serious diagnosis.

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Kandace a day ago> KandaceSUMMARY REQUESTED BY SOME HAVING TROUBLE WITH DISQUS: Some localcommenters raised questions about Julies parentss oil money, her senatorial candidatebrother in laws net worth, and her standard of living, which they suggested underminedclaims she had been driven into poverty. Most concurred these claims of wealth wereirrelevant to alleged abuse. MichaelOP, an event sponsor contacted by Tim Wilson-Brown, shared the result of his orgs research which he claimed among other things

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found Julie and Tony filed an equal amount of motions & Tony had never been chargedw/a crime or w/failure to pay child support while Julie did have a criminal charge.Juliereminded Michael she has alleged police bias in that arrest due to Tonys former stint asa chaplain He also noted that the courts felt Tony was safe enough that they awardedhim partial custody so he has the kids on weekends, which he claimed they wouldnthave done if there was credible reason to believe Tony was an abuser. Julie admittedgoing to a Mexico resort recently after people donated for her legal fees, butemphasized she traveled cheaply. Dee from TWW also clarified at least one donor hadspecified they wanted Julie to relax and do something for herself. The consensusamong everyone was that single moms deserve vacations. :) Julie also explained thatshe leased one car and is trying to sell the second car she acquired for the nanny shehad last year but no longer employs due to financial diculty.

There were concerns about anonymous commenters: bothconcerns about their fear of posting in what they perceive to be a hostile climate andconcerns about whether some might have impure motives or unrevealed connections.While some anonymous commenters identified themselves more freely over email,George and Drea raised the most questions from users overall. BB was also questionedfor his tone, lack of tact, and for using what Tim pointed out was not a given name andothers called him a sockpuppet. It was brought up several times that there might befake commenters infiltrating the conversationdue to the number of new and/or private Disqus profiles being used. Others cautioned itwas unfair to try to dismiss those who disagree with you by claiming they must be allfake and therefore not valid. A couple people also questioned my identity and asked meto provide personal information beyond what Id already shared and I declined to do so.David Hayward briefly entered the conversation and clarified that he does not considerhimself a supporter of Julie, but a supporter of safe spaces. He encouraged others thatJulie should be able to identify however she wants. After saying this, David was askedto comment on the profit he makes when he asks people to buy his artwork orsubscribe to his online church in his many posts about Julies allegations. He has notyet responded to that.

Several people tried to guide the conversation away frominvestigating the people who post allegations often. Others were concerned this groupwas then trying to silence question askers. Ultimately for most of this thread, those whoopposed investigating allegation-posters did arm the right of everyonepresent to ask questions they felt were relevant. There were times of exceptionespecially when Julie and BB were arguing back and forth when people on both sidestried to silence others as it admittedly grew less civil. Julie had identified she was fromEdina several times, but clarified she lived in a section of Edina near governmenthousing. Later she voiced concern that people might know where she lived and said shewould contact the police and the web host to have any information related to thisremoved. Julie and an unnamed Guest also posted a link to a claim on another sitewhere an anonymous person claimed



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that just an hour after meeting Tony for the first time at an event last year, Tony allegedlysaid he wanted to murder his ex-wife.

Julie identified herself at times as Guest and at times as Julie, but she explained herlogic for doing this was so the comments could not be used against her as she felt thepost could be part of an organized setup to gather information for a defamation suit. Idlike to thank Leslie Lea who calmly entered as the comments were heating up andasserted it was headed in the wrong direction. Julie voiced her appreciationfor Leslie and shared about her faith and how her friend had a prophetic dream abouthow Tony would drive their family into darkness which Julie believed has come true.

With this, I am signing o and releasing myself from my original intentions at the adviceof others here. I wish you all joy and peace and healing.

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Ragnarok 4 hours ago> KandaceAssuming this is actually Tony speaking, it's a wonder to me that no one hasmentioned that in addition to content (such as comments and other publishedmatter) being legally discoverable, IP addresses are also discoverable. So ifsomeone wanted to try to submit or subpoena any of these comments for Tony'sside, Julie could merely stand up in court all on her own and request that IPaddresses be submitted as well. That way, the court can see exactly who sentthese comments and from where.

Anonymity online is a fiction when it comes to producing documents and the likeunder court order. Just saying.

Annie Banannie 17 hours ago> KandaceOh wait, and now I have to down vote it for it's resurrection of the "Julie asunstable" narrative. I know you didn't say so I'm so many words, but youcarefully curated you summarized points to make her look crazy.

So yeah, I'm assuming adavit. A handy synopsis for whatever is coming next.Another attempt to flip custody? Sue for damages? Lost wages? Who knows.

"Kandace", you are playing a game, likely for your lawyers' fee, with someoneelse's actual life. Regardless of how successful you may be, you are a badperson. You make te world a little uglier and a little less safe. You, yourself, causeharm. You could choose to do dierent with your skills and education, but youdon't. Maybe someday you will. Until then you are complicit in the abuse ofevery victim of domestic violence, because you facilitate a culture that shamesand silences them. You. Are. Complicit. You know better, but you choose harm.

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Annie Banannie 17 hours ago> KandaceI'm liking this for its epic arrogance and pomposity, spin and evasion. Is that yoursummary or your adavit?

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KT Pridgen 21 hours ago> KandaceThanks, Tony. I mean, none of us needed this as we have followed the situationfrom the beginning and are pretty much aware of everything you gathered in your"investigation" here. *eye roll*

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Guest a day ago> KandaceNo one requested your summary.

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Kandace a day ago> KandaceI do not intend to continue posting as it probably brings out unhealthiness in me to stayin this dialogue too long, but it is okay to continue to email me. Im going to take a breakfrom this for a while, but will get to those in a few days.

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Guest a day ago> KandaceI don't think anyone has emailed you. Why not post the emails?

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Kandace a day ago> KandaceYou are of course able to scroll down (for miles!) and read all of these commentsfor yourself to see if you feel this was a fair re-telling and I encourage you to doso.

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Guest a day agoI met ToJo last year at a conference. Within about an hour of meeting him he made comments to me about wanting to 'murder his ex-wife' and wishing he had never had children. I knew nothing of his personal life at the time, but I remember being really weirded out by the intensity with which he said these things. He did not sound 'jokey.' It was disturbing.

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Leslie Lea a day agoWell, I can only do my part. I for one, am going to boycott all "Christian books". The Bible alone is goodenough for me. God speaks to me and The Holy Spitit guides me through The Word, that is all I need.

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Guest a day ago> Leslie LeaThe Holy Spirit absolutely led this going viral. It was time. David Hayward was used andcourageous enough to refuse to delete my story even though he received a plethora oflegal threats from my abuser and his enablers. They were stunned because for yearstheir threats kept my story quiet. Not this time. The Holy Spirit is having her say. I wouldlike nothing more than for some beauty to come from this ugliness. I am waiting for that.I know and have been contacted by other abuse victims who have said my story gavethem courage. I helped one woman get her and her 5 kids to a shelter after she read mystory so I would like beauty and good fruit to come to bear.

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Guest a day agoGood night, Leslie. Thank you for putting the focus where it should have been but strayed. IfGod were involved in this...it would not look like the mess it does. The mental illness is a majorpart of the problem too but the enablers refusing to stop him are also driving this. I hold thetruth and I will keep speaking.

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Leslie Lea a day ago> GuestSweet dreams, Julie. Praying for Peace, truth and justice.and for God's name to beglorified.

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Guest a day ago> Leslie LeaThank you! I am a weary soldier but I need to remember whose child I am andthat the Holy Spirit will move if I remain faithful.

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Leslie Lea a day agoI suggest that we not be controlled , not be helpless and not be enablers. Let us commit to notbuying any Christian book by any author for six months, also commit to not going to anyChristian conference for six months. Even homeschooling conferences. Instead let us spendour time and money on doing what Jesus did. Visiting the homeless shelters, women'sshelters, jails, etc, etc. we may learn something and we may be blessed. Let us stop spendingmoney on foolishness written by people who are in it for the money. Let's stop being sheep.Sorry about the preaching.

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CurtisMSP a day ago> Leslie LeaInstead of six months, I say forever. Get together with some people in yourneighborhood and use the money you used to spend on celebrity Christian books tosupport your local community instead. A much better investment that will bring hugedividends, instead of stroking someone's inflated ego.

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Guest a day ago> Leslie LeaThat is really what it would take but sadly fragile egos love the hype and groupie brandthey have served up. It is a brand and they have consumers. Very reputable institutionsinvestigated my story. They interviewed me several times and read all my documents.Then they said, "No more." And dumped him. I have a great deal of respect for thosemen and women who listened, prayed and then acted. I can't even get to first base thelistening part with Nadia or Rachel who claim to have done "due diligence" and claim tobe an advocate. FRAUDS.

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Guest a day agoI held tight to the dream that God would move the mountain and it would be good and peacefulfor my kids. I understand now that because of the diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorderwith sadistic traits that will never happen. I truly must pay for speaking the truth. I am thenarcissistic target and his life obsession is taking me down. I said it to him and I'll say ithere....he's got the wrong marine. I think God wired me with a little extra justice gene and I willcall out abuse wherever and when ever I see it and loudly. It is doubly toxic when it is fromalleged representatives of God.

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Guest a day agoThat is my question...where is God in this? Every year at Easter time for my kids I send a letter.An olive branch begging for peace and forgiveness. Begging for the litigation to stop. I used toask him to repent but that is out of the question. This year I didn't bother. He has surroundedhimself with enablers and he cannot hear God or anynone but himself speaking into amicrophone most likely to adoring fans. For my children I have this dream of peace and civility.She is worse than he....she doesn't even know me and treats me like I am a leper and in frontof my children. It is the farthest thing from good or holy. It's evil.

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Leslie Lea a day agoMatthew7:23. Look it up. I feel like this blog is becoming like Geraldo. Where is Christ.? Is thereroom for the Holy Spirit to work? I am disgusted. Where is provision for the widow andorphans? Who is laying down their life for the brethren? If it is not about Christ it is worthless..So you men and women of God, where is your heart and your soul. Geez, this stu should be

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Guest a day ago> Leslie LeaI used to ask him repeatedly, "If this is of God then where is the fruit? There is nothingbut rotten fruit in our marriage." He would just board the next plane and often to Dallas,Texas where she lived.

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Living Liminal a day ago> Leslie LeaIt is dicult to get a man to understand something, when his salary [power, prestige,reputation...] depends on his not understanding it.

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Guest a day ago> Living LiminalIt was the money and corruption that ruined him. My friend is prophetic. She hada dream that his pursuits of Emergent "were a darkness and that it will harm youand your family." Wiser words were never spoken. He told her in a rage, "Barb,you have no idea what you are talking about!" Actually, she did. I tried to speaktruth into his life. I knew he was going down the wrong path. He would not listen.No one was going to take him from the spotlight.

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Living Liminal a day ago> GuestSo sad :(

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Guest a day ago> Living Liminalmy children bear the sin of their father. He refuses to repent and is stuckin revenge mode. It will take a miracle to break this cycle. The enablerscould help like Doug Pagitt but they carry on and cash the checks.

Guest a day agoThis is the best Progressive Christianity has to oer. This...my outrage has and will always behow dare you use the name of Christ. You don't get to literally throw people to the ground andact like it never happened. I want Christian leaders who are held accountable for bad behavior.This was on Naked Pastors blog today. YES a person who states a death threat is who you areenabling.

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support ToJo. I don't know what the consequences will be if this gets traced back to me, but here goes: I met ToJo last year at a conference. Within about an hour of meeting him he made comments to me about wantingto 'murder his ex-wife' and wishing he had never had children. I knew nothing of his personal life at the time, but I remember being really weirded out by the intensity with which he said these things. He did notsound 'jokey.' It was disturbing. I handed my hosting responsibilities over to other conference volunteers after that and kept my distance fromhim. Even so, I had held out the possibility that I might pursue a partnership with JoPa on a future conference, but realized in January, when ToJo began his retaliation against Julie, that I could not, in goodconscience do so. I reached out to Julie privately two months ago to let her know and to oer my prayers and support. One side note: I have also been asked to provide major financial support to a local NBW appearance in 2016. I intend to speak to the organizers of that event about withdrawing my pledge and to tell them why. Sorry for attempting to be anonymous about this, I hope you all understand.

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Annie Banannie a day agoEvery time I want to take a Michael type seriously, there's a Kandace type, or even worse a BBtype, who goes largely unchallenged by the entire tony supporting contingent.

Really no one supporting Julie has acted that threatening or nasty, none of us have even beenparticularly sneaky other than not always using our real names. Sccl is what it has always been:raucously, raunchily, critical of those who harm in Jesus name. Julie is as she has always been,passionate, over sharing, fairly consistent.

Kandace is trying to whip up something where there is nothing. BB is outright threatening. Butyep, some detail quibbles are where this story is at, certainly not 5-10 fake accounts oozing outof the woodwork to slam, harass, and doxx Julie.

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Leslie Lea a day agoThis is REALLY grievous to the Christian Community. Those who are bullies need to stopSINNING. If you are really Christians , you should get it. Christian leaders should stop this.

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Guest a day ago> Leslie LeaLeslie, 7 years ago I went to the Christian leaders for help. The aair, abuse, "crazy

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campaign" all of it. NOT ONE would help me. They shunned and silenced me. Thisdisplay by BigBrowner and a slightly more subtle Kandace is what I have endured since2008. Why? MONEY! Book deals, minor xian celebrity status. They all endorse eachother books and go to the same events. It is the antithesis of Christ-like and yet it goesunchecked. A diagnosed NPD is controlling the narrative however I refuse to shut upand will keep speaking the truth forever.

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Guest a day agoThere are the private emails and messages that I get but they know that if they speak outpublicly they'll never work in this town again so to speak. Very incestuous. And, like theanonymous person on David Haywards bog today who said he listened as my abuser as hesaid he wished I was murdered. To his followers at a conference! YEP! This is the bestprogressive Christianity can serve up? No thanks.

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Danica a day agoWHat I also cannot believe is how Rachel Held Evans, Peter Rollins, Jay Bakker, et al, couldwatch this go down and not be backing away slowly saying, "Yeah, never mind, we TOTALLYbelieve you now, Julie."

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Guest a day ago> DanicaThey are all interdependent on book deals, events and have the same publishers! I mustbe wiped out to save the empire.

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Danica a day agoI cannot believe a pastor would let something like this go down on her blog. This isshepherding the sheep? This is leading them to green pastures so their souls can berestored??

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Guest 18 hours ago> DanicaNadia is in on it. This thread is the nest exhibit for the next lawsuit. And when it is I willspeak out on that. This is what an NPD does....beats you down. Ironically, it has had thereverse eect and made me stronger with every failed legal attack. The truth sets mefree.

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Guest a day ago> DanicaI have ZERO respect for Nadia. She is a cult of personality. Schtick and fame and whenan abuse victim is in her face saying, "Please, help." She hangs up!

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Danica a day ago> GuestJulie I'm sending you an email. :)

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Guest 18 hours ago> Danicashe is allowing it because she is in on it. this will be exhibit A in the nextfailed defamation run. Watch....and I will report it back and make sure itgoes viral.

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Leslie Lea a day agoI think everyone who presumes to write Christian books should go on a self imposed 6 monthmoratorium and get well with their soul. Bring Christ back into the convo. If there us neveranother book written or never another conference, so be it, let's change the game plan hereand make it about loving God and loving each other.

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Guest a day ago> Leslie LeaThe celebrity fame ruined my ex husband. Ruined him! He was Godly at one time....helost it and sold his soul. I called him out and that is why I have been his narcissistictarget ever since.

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Guest a day agoI'm fairly convinced BB and Kandace are the same they both tried to slam SCCL and they bothspoke of conspiracy and one logs o and then they other magically appears. I am furtherconfident as my lawyer told me that Simon Troutman his lawyer is trying to build a case for"lost wages" thus Kandace's over the top obvious questions about that issue. This runs deepand wide and tragically an NPD will NEVER give up. Oh, no he will fight this until there isnothing but scorched earth. I did call the police and will make a report tomorrow bringing in mylaptop. Using my personal information and my 80 year old widowed mothers maidenname...that's low even for an NPD and his enablers. My address? Seriously, you people arepond scum as my dearly departed father coined his ex son in law.

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Guest a day agoWhere is angry Drea? She was fun.

Guest a day agoSadly, this is progressive Christianity's finest at work interacting with a survivor of variousabuses. THIS is the best they've got.

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Danica a day agoWaiting for another of Tony's ghost profiles to post in 3 ... 2 ...

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Leslie Lea a day agoStinks, BB

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Leslie Lea a day agoHey, I am just a humble tax accountant who is grouchy at the end it tax season. I have alsobeen a Christian for a long time and have the gift of discernment. And what I discern herestinjsm BB

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Guest a day agoWhat lie? It's one small question BB but you can't seem to answer it.

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Leslie Lea a day agoBB, what is your skin in this game? You certainly aren't acting very respectful. Or Chrustlike.How does this profit you?

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Guest a day ago> Leslie LeaTHIS is what I came up against for 7 years. This treatment that is so unGodly it isunfathomable. Nadia our "host" hung up on me and Rachel blocked me. THIS is whothese people are. It is disgusting and they truly are frauds.

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BigBrowner a day agoDanica, someone called you out earlier as an SCCL groupie. Check the connections. Read thethread. There's stu to be found here. That's it. I'm out.

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Guest a day ago> BigBrownerOut? Why? I'm wondering what you think is a lie? Calling me a liar I take VERY serious.What exactly do you claim I lied about? Go....I'm waiting. I asked you that many timesand yet you won't ask the simple question. What did I lie about BigBrowner?

Danica a day ago> BigBrownerYOU called me out as an SCCL groupie, Tony, under one of the many ghost accounts

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you've created for yourself here. And I'm proud to hang out at SCCL - it's Where All TheWomen Are At, after all. (tm)

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Danica a day agoHey Tony, I mean BigBrowner --- check out what someone is saying about you. It's notflattering. I hope Courtney and any kids in the house are safe right now, because you seem tobe spiraling into a narcissistic rage.

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Guest a day ago> DanicaStephanie Drury has more guts than any of these fake advocates. She is what I want ina Christian leader. A person with the courage to say, "NO MORE." David Hayward too.These fake leaders only interested in preserving the next speaking engagement are aterrible disappointment.

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Guest a day ago> DanicaI REALLY think it is him too. He did this when married. NPD would absolutely do thisand the smoke and mirror and refusal to address fact and abuse is a dead ringer.

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Guest a day agoThis clown knows where I live. Because my abuser and Nadia have allowed this. THESE are theGodly people leading the progressive church.

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BigBrowner a day ago> GuestAgain, what are you talking about? I have no idea where you live. You are the one whomentioned the Edina police in like two dozen comments as anyone who can scroll downadn screencap right now can see. You're the one who just said you live by section 8houseing. Those are the only clues anyone has. But again, you wouldn't comment muchhere because you think this website is part of the conspiracy. But you don't, do you?

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Leslie Lea a day agoBB , you are getting abusive

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BigBrowner a day ago> Leslie LeaBut it's not abusive to destroy lives with false allegations and then try to scare peopleaway from asking questions? Maybe these people should have done their homework

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before they started talking up these allegations everywhere to get more clicks to theirsites or sell more or their artwork. Where were you then?

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Caryn LeMur 17 hours ago> BigBrownerBig Browner: allegations, by definition, are neither true nor false.A person hosting a website is not responsible for the postings of others in USLaw. [They are, of course, responsible for their own comments.]The key questions become these:1. Is both the accused and accuser allowed to post?2. Are people allowed to use their names and online names with equality? Or, dowe force some to use their real names, and not all? Or, do we block 'guest'names for some, but not all?3. We can moderate for coarse language, but again, need to carefully ensure noprejudice in our moderating.As a result, most moderators will allow all to post, erase nothing, and allow allguest accounts. Moderators are free to enter the conversation at any time.I would encourage you to do your homework on the Digital Law website.Sincerely; Caryn

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Alan Molineaux 19 hours ago> BigBrownerShame on you for the suggestion. You have no idea of the good done by Davidto people who have suered abuse from powerful people.

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nakedpastor a day ago> BigBrownerSeriously? That's all you have on me is that as an artist I provide it for people topurchase and acquire? My blog nakedpastor makes NO money. I've made sureof that. But I'm allowed to sell my art. So... BigBrowner... here's a sinceregesture... pick out ANY print you want from my shop and I will ship it to youentirely for free. As a gift. Just to help you perhaps see that I'm not in this for themoney. Take your pick.

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Guest a day ago> BigBrownerThey did their homework and that is why legal threats to delete your blog or elsedo not work anymore. They did for years but NO MORE. I will talk freely andtruthfully until my last breath.

Leslie Lea a day ago> BigBrownerWTF?

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Danica a day ago> Leslie LeaSomeone has hurt feels about the naked pastor

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Leslie Lea a day ago> Leslie LeaRotfl

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Guest a day ago> BigBrownerThey did! And after reading all of my documents they support me. Unlike TeamNPD that has a 1/4 of select cherry picked court docs from one court. The 3/4tells the story. You can choose to align with an abuser. Others who actually DIDdo due diligence like large prestigious institutions did and then they made thechoice to dump him.

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Guest a day ago> BigBrownerWhat allegation is false? I KEEP asking you that one simple question.

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BigBrowner a day agoIf all this gets taken down by Patheos, I suggest that you screencap everything and send it toreporters now. This story is blown open.

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KT Pridgen 20 hours ago> BigBrownerOh, FFS.

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Leslie Lea a day agoI meant BB

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Leslie Lea a day agoThis whole blog is getting crazy. Bob, you sound like a big bully.

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BigBrowner a day ago> Leslie LeaSometimes it's time for someone to stand up to the lies.

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Leslie Lea a day ago> BigBrownerSo who are you really?

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Guest a day ago> BigBrownerAGAIN what lie? I have answered every single thing. AGAIN what lie? ANSWER.You seem to never answer.

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Guest a day agoI called the police and reported Nadia Bolz Weber and Big Browner and obviously my abuserfor providing my personal information like my make and model of my vehicle and where I leaseit....OMG! You people sicken me! Exploiting my personal information like my HOME on theinternet. My abuser CLEARLY gave you this information which speaks volumes to the depths ofdesperation he will go to smoke and mirrors the ugly truth of his diagnosis, sadistic traits, aair,abuse and cover up. BB? Why don't you want to chat word one about those important issues?!Instead you want to recycle yesterdays smear campaign and attempt to discredit the victim. Ididn't know I was on trial? I'll be here all night. Next?

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BigBrowner a day ago> GuestI am sure the police know your number by now. I bet they'll be right over to arrestpeople based on your credible as always allegations.

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Guest a day ago> BigBrownerI'm sorry what? What allegation of my abuse is false? I think I have asked youthat very simple question 7 times. What is false BigBrowner?

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BigBrowner a day agoAll Julie's supporters have been saying this whole time that Nadia was going to deletecomments, but look who is actually going to contact Patheos according to her comment. It'sJulie. Another hole. "Look they're silencing us! Quick, call Patheos and ask them to take downthe information about Julie being related to a Senator with a networth in the tens of millions orbeing from an oil famiy or living in a ritzy neighborhood or going on vacations while askingpeople to donate to her legal costs or filing motions when she was saying it was Tony filingmotions. Give me a break.

Guest a day ago> BigBrownerI never said Nadia would delete. I am confident my abuser and Nadia are right here

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active and in real time. AGAIN and I hate to say this BB but either you are stupid orrefusing to listen! This reminds me EXACTLY of my abuser. Here we go again for a 4th or5th time. As I refuted and shot down your lies yesterday I will again and every day youpost it. Where is Kandace? she logged out and you logged in...okay...got it.

1. My brother in law is not the senator. Al Franken is. AGAIN how does that make mystory NOT true? AGAIN your logic....is illogical.2. Tens of millions? WTF? Now you are just throwing out numbers. You have no ideawhat you are talking about. 3. Ritzy neighborhood? I live adjacent to a highway and section 8 housing my mybackyard. My abuser told my kids, "Its ghetto."4. People helped me file a motion to get my son who was unlawfully taken January 19. Ihad to drop it because I owe 20k

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Guest a day ago> BigBrownerNadia is in on it dummy!

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Guest a day agoI am calling the Edina police right now. My abuser has provided BB with my address andpersonal information about my mother and brother in law. THIS is what Nadia Bolz Weber ishosting and not saying a word. I am also contacting Patheos. You people are scary!!

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BigBrowner a day ago> GuestI hope the police read the entire thread to see who they're dealing with to. That might beexactly what this case needs.

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Guest a day agoI'll repeat.....BB? Do you think it is okay to abuse women?

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BigBrowner a day ago> GuestI think it's okay to call out women when they lie. No one can tell if you were abusedbecause we have to sort through the dozen lies and that's just what has come out in thelast 24 hours to figure out if any part of your conspiracy theory could possibly still betrue after you take away all the things you said that aren't true.

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Guest a day ago> BigBrownerWhat lie? Name it now.

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Guest a day agoAre you afraid? But you have that big scary bull dog avatar? I will answer and I have each andevery question. however, I am answering and then you ask the same question. It's taxing but Iwill be patient.

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BigBrowner a day ago> GuestSPINDLETOP 2. The Phelan family oil well. Go on Zillow like that one guy said andcheck out Edina. Look it up, people.

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Guest a day ago> BigBrownerYes, my great grandfather sold his grocery store and put in money for an oil drill.It hit oil. How does that make me NOT living below the poverty line?

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Guest a day ago> GuestI already several times actual went through this with you and Michaelyesterday but I will go slower for you.....I love in a home owned by mymother. again HOW does that NOT make my story true and accurate withall corroborating evidence? ANSWER....let me guess.....you won't. PLUShow SICK my abuser supplied you my address I am calling the cops onthat. No, seriously I am right now.

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BigBrowner a day ago> GuestThe part I loved the best is when you said you went to MEXICO recentlyafter asking all these people to donate for you but you justified it bysaying it was only a 3 STAR RESORT and you bought airline tickets froma cheap airline. SOUNDS LIKE POVERTY TO ME.

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Guest a day ago> BigBrownerPeople on poverty vacation idiot. AGAIN how did my truth NOT happenbecause I went to Mexico? Your logic is really lame.

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Guest a day ago> BigBrownerI didn't justify shit. It was a dumpy 3 star resort because that is what Icould aord. My friend gave me a week. ONLY my abuser knew I went toMexico so you are either HIM or in his pocket.

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Guest a day ago> BigBrownerI never asked one human to donate one dime. Dee Parsons commentedyesterday IDIOT how happy she was and that the main donor hoped Icould get a vacation. NEXT?

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BigBrowner a day ago> GuestEVERYONE READ YOU COMING ON TWITTER OVER AND OVER ANDSAYING YOU COULDNT AFFORD A LAWYER AND SHARING THE LINK.MORE THAN ONCE. WE HEARD YOU SAY YOU WERE IN POVERTY.TONY DROVE YOU THERE. OR WAS THAT GUEST OR JMAC WHO SAIDTHAT?

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Ragnarok 4 hours ago> BigBrownerThe more you rant, the more convinced I am that you are actually Tony. Atfirst, I just assumed you were an asshole. Now, I'm pretty sure you're theasshole in question.

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Guest a day agoBB? What do you think I lied about? I have a rich relative so I was not abused? Is that yourlogic?

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BigBrowner a day ago"I'll pretend anyone who says anything against me is part of the abuse so people are afriad tosay anything." said Julie or Jmac6301 or Guest.

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Guest a day ago> BigBrownerIt is guest....do I need to explain that for a 4th time? really?

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Guest a day agowhere is Kandace? Drea? Or do you need to log out first?

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Guest a day agoBB? Do you think it is okay to abuse women?

BigBrowner a day ago> GuestI would ask you if you think it's okay to make false allegations and run around trying to

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scare people who ask questions about it, but I think we know that's perfectly okay withyou. ANYONE READING, read all the comments. Anyone who comes on here this manytimes trying to get other people to stop asking questions is hiding something and onceyou start reading, you'll see exactly what it is.

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BigBrowner a day agoREAD THE COMMENT THREAD and judge for yourself. Don't let Julie scare you away with herdozens of comments and fear tactics. Use your own judgment. No sane person is going toread everything that has come out here and all the holes that have been exposed and Julie'schange of identity every fifteen minutes and her conspiracy theories and think "That soundscompletely true." YOU ARE DOING YOURSELF NO FAVORS and EVERYONE knows it.

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AnnieOly a day ago> BigBrownerAs someone who has read about this story in passing on TWW and Naked Pastor, andthinks RHE and NBW have had and still have valuable things to say, and as someonewho has never commented on this subject and doesn't claim to know 'the answer' afterreading through much of this thread I am willing to say this: you, 'BB', come across likeone arrogant, classless, nasty SOB. You are not doing your side any favors whatsoever.

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KT Pridgen a day ago> AnnieOlyI agree. Time to switch back to Kandace, Tony. BigBrowner isn't winning you anypoints.

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BigBrowner a day ago> KT PridgenI can't figure out if you people really believe Julie, if you are Julie, or if youhave just been HAD that bad. I hope to GOD for your sake that youactually started looking into some of the holes blown into theseallegations.

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Danica a day ago> BigBrownerDon't you dare use God's name in this Tony. You've already blasphemedHim so many times.

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Guest a day ago> BigBrowneryou just called yourself insane.

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Guest a day ago> BigBrownerFear tactics? I am asking to engage you directly. O line if your wish. Change my identity? no.just switched it to guest. Go on? What else?

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BigBrowner a day ago> GuestIf you really thought there was some big conspiracy and people were collectingthis, you would know that people would be screencapping your every move. YouDONT really think that. You're using that to scare people away from questioningyou. You are full of it.

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Guest a day ago> BigBrownerActually, BB. My abuser uses every word. He shows up in court asrecently as two weeks ago with reams of paper crying slander,defamation, sue her! so, fact....not conspiracy. He lost BTW. In fact theJudge said, "no credibility."

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Guest a day agoI wonder why BB won't engage me in dialogue. He does his drive by lies and I refite each andevery one and then he runs away. BB? Let's chat. See, the thing about the truth is...it helps yoube incredibly confident and you have peace that you have nothing to hide. I have a wealthybrother in law so I must be rich too?! Are you hearing your own silly logic?

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BigBrowner a day ago> GuestEveryone here can see I have engaged you at every turn. That is if you keep your nameJulie and stop flipping your identity. We get it. We

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